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Title: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ingyenenergiagep on November 07, 2014, 07:34:16 PM
Follow the nature. 8)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 07, 2015, 11:04:43 PM
This post is a continuation of the discussions from
http://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/new/#new

The ninth design of the Flying Saucer is reproduced here.  It is likely to be discussed thoroughly before implementation at various academic institutions.

The theory is King David Sling Technology.  When the magnet moves in a circular path, it experiences a Centrifugal Force away from the center.  The faster the angular velocity, the higher will be this force.

The invention gives energy to the magnet at the top part and takes out energy at the bottom part.  THe difference in Centrifugal Force provides the net thrust.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 09, 2015, 01:17:47 AM
Had a good meeting at the mechanical engineering department on turning the lead-out energy fling saucer project into student projects.

Peter Chan delivered his Chan Wheel a day earlier.  Lawrence Tseung brought the Joule thief prototype with capacitor.  Both devices will be at Hong Kong University for sometime.

The focus was the various small projects the student can reasonably perform.  The preliminary list is as follows:

1.  Use the vertical tube magnetic repulsion experiment with air core, ferrite core, partial air and partial ferrite core and additional magnet to check the Input and Output Energy.  The Input Energy is the pulsed DC electrical energy that can be accurately determined with the Digital Oscilloscope.  The Output Energy can be determined by the height of the magnet reached inside the transparent tube.  This experiment can determine whether Output Energy can be greater than Input Energy.  If so, there will be great encouragement to the students and the team.

2.  The QMOGEN experiment with an unbalanced wheel to increase the torque.  Since over 60 QMOGENs have been reported to be successful, this will be an additional confirmation.  There are at least three groups in Hong Kong rumored to have achieve success.  This will be a further confirmation that energy can be lead-out.  The US patent will be examined in detail.

3.  The accurate determination of when to apply the pulse and for how long.  This may be the most difficult experiment.  Peter Chan had done much work in control systems previously.  He will prepare the material for a full presentation when ready.

4.  The building of the Unbalanced Wheel with one or more magnets at the rim.  Since the Wheel will be unbalanced, much shaking is expected. 

5.  The use of Drive Coils.  The number of turns, the gauge, the DC voltage etc. need to be researched and determined.  Much can be gained from the experiment in 1.

6.  The use of Collector Coils.  One of more Collector Coils may be needed.  Their construction and positioning may be different from the Drive Coils.

7.  Feeding the energy from the Collector Coils back to the Drive Coils.  This may be the crowning success.

8.  The complete Flying Saucer propulsion unit. 

9.  Other control and improvements

At present, the focus will be on experiment 1.  Planning work can be done now.  The actual experiments  by the student will not start until after the summer holidays (late September 2015).

Lawrence
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 09, 2015, 04:05:51 PM
Had a good meeting at the mechanical engineering department on turning the lead-out energy fling saucer project into student projects.

Peter Chan delivered his Chan Wheel a day earlier.  Lawrence Tseung brought the Joule thief prototype with capacitor.  Both devices will be at Hong Kong University for sometime.

The focus was the various small projects the student can reasonably perform.  The preliminary list is as follows:

1.  Use the vertical tube magnetic repulsion experiment with air core, ferrite core, partial air and partial ferrite core and additional magnet to check the Input and Output Energy.  The Input Energy is the pulsed DC electrical energy that can be accurately determined with the Digital Oscilloscope.  The Output Energy can be determined by the height of the magnet reached inside the transparent tube.  This experiment can determine whether Output Energy can be greater than Input Energy.  If so, there will be great encouragement to the students and the team.

....

Important comments:.
1.  The Input Energy can be measured accurately with the DSO.  The exact waveform of the voltage and the current can be captured.  The time can be determined.  DSOs are standard tools at Universities.
2.  The Output is the simple mgh.  The mass of the magnet m; the height reached h can be accurately measured. It can be captured on video.
3.  The Output energy may not be more than the Input Energy in all cases.  In particular, the air core case may not show this effect.
4.  However, if only one set of reproducible output greater than input can be shown, the impact to the academic world will be significant.  Lead-out energy may get recognition.
5.  The magnet can have large mass if it were to be used in the Flying Saucer.  It can be up to 1 Kg. 

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2015, 12:20:17 AM
Refer to reply 2 of this thread.

Should we do the straight tube magnetic repulsion experiments before the Students?

Prof. "For undergraduate projects, this is the rule.  Undergraduates are expected to repeat experiments with known results.  They are not expected to innovate.  They are expected to learn and master known techniques.  Postgraduates are different."

Tseung: "We can give part of the project to undergraduates and other parts to postgraduates."

Prof. "That is in line with my thinking."

Tseung: "We shall plan on doing the vertical tube magnetic repulsion experiment ourselves before the students.  I have the Atten Oscilloscopes; I can also buy the magnets, coils, ferrite rods, battery etc.  I shall let others shine.  The technique to train the young fisherman is to provide the equipment, show how to catch one fish and provide lots of encouragement."
 
Others can do this simple experiment also.  Any organization with DSOs anywhere in the world can do it.  Proving overunity or leading-out energy is this easy.

If the potential energy output can be demonstrated conclusively to be more than the electrical energy input, overunity will be proven beyond any shadow of doubt.  Lead-out energy theory will be recognized.

Is it possible for USA and China to keep the top secret?

May Divine Guidance show us the way....

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2015, 11:32:18 AM
The vertical tube magnet repulsion experiment is likely to be performed in multiple locations.

Two possible locations include a Temple and a Church.  Other possibilities include the domestic maids from Philippines, Thailand and Indonesia.  These groups have many members willing to listen (if you also listen to them).

Spreading the information is similar to spreading religious believes.  One must have absolute confidence that one is preaching the truth.

Centrifugal Force is stronger when the angular velocity is higher cannot be wrong.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2015, 01:58:17 PM
Example of soft ferrite rods.

One of the components in the experiment is the soft ferrite rods.  They can be magnetized easily with DC current and lose their magnetism when the current slops.

One Company from google search is:
http://www.magnetsales.co.uk/ferrite-rods.htm

They also sell permanents:
http://www.magnetsales.co.uk/discsrods_2.htm

Examples of wires for winding magnets:
http://www.swigercoil.com/magnetWire.php

I expect more detailed search will show many Chinese manufacturers - at lower prices.  The material search may be a part of the postgraduate student training.  (A new fisherman needs to do some work on his own to build knowledge and confidence).

Chinese manufacturer:
http://www.junhuimagnet.com/index.asp?gclid=CJDD_5HZ0MYCFdcjvQodz7YHhA
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 11, 2015, 12:56:12 AM
Have fun catching the biggest fish?

The experiment in reply 2 can be done by multiple groups of students worldwide.  Output greater than Input is a certainty.  This result will be shown as "catching the first fish".

The competition will then be - which team can catch the biggest fish?  In this case which team can produce the largest COP?  Some variation may be - which team can send a 1kg Magnet highest with a 12V battery?

The passing grade is for the student to repeat COP greater than 1.  The bonus marks will be the greater COPs.  The experiment will no longer be a passive repetition.  It will be a stimulation in innovation.

This will be fun.  The competitors will encourage each other.  They will learn much in the process.  The World will be a step closer to implementing the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.

How can the USA and Chinese Military stop the academics from doing this experiment?  They may have to disclose their top secret early and benefit the World.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 12, 2015, 12:31:55 AM
A Political Issue?

Talk with a Lecturer at an Engineering Institute.

Prof. "Your proposed experiment in reply 2 is implementable in our Department.  It is also implementable in almost every electrical engineering school throughout the World.  The equipment are DSO, magnet, coils, ferrite rods, tubes and video camera."

Tseung: "The Output Energy is just the potential energy of the repelled magnet.  The Input Energy is the Pulsed Electrical Energy that can be accurately measured with the DSO.  What is the problem?"

Prof. "It is the implication of the result.  If such a simple experiment can demonstrate Output Energy greater than Input Energy (COP>1), what happens to our teaching all these years?  We have been telling students that UFO are hoaxes.  We followed the correct Political line laid down by Governments.  The experiment will cause great political and academic turmoil.  I can sense the outcome of the result.  Do I have the courage to risk my career?"

Will USA and China disclose the top secret?  Or will a brave professor in another Nation risk his career and do the experiment?  Or will it be another case of some retirees using cheap DSO, inferior equipment and subjected to jeers and insults?

There is no urgency for the experiment.  Let hundreds or thousands of qualified individuals and organizations chew on it.  The truth will come out.  Let many shine.

It is like telling people that there are sharks in the nearby waters.  Many qualified or unqualified fishermen will take out their fishing gear and go out to catch them.  Many will succeed...

Divine Wine is for all to share.  It may taste better with age...

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 13, 2015, 02:04:27 PM
Catching the big one was not easy.  I did not have the right hooks and line.  The bait was OK.  It took six tries before I landed the big one.

Skill was definitely needed.  The fish had sharp teeth and can bite through the line.  The trick was to hook it fast so that its teeth could only touch the hook.  Actually it was more luck than skill.  One needs to pull at the exact moment.

When one does not have the right equipment and skills, one way is to acquire them using one's own resources.  The much better way is to promote and let others shine.  Others can have fun too.

Many OU researchers rely on luck using their limited skill and resources.  Can they catch the Big One?

Divine Wine is for all to share.

Lawrence
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 14, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
Is this the sign of a Big Fish?

Professor Dennis Leung suggested that the first Student Experiment should be the vertical tube magnet repulsion experiment.  In its earliest conception, a permanent magnet is placed inside a transparent plastic tube on top of a coil.  Pulsed DC current is turned on to turn the coil into a magnet, repelling the permanent magnet.  Different core, different magnitude of Current, different number of windings and different magnets can be used.

The goal is to compare the Input Electrical Energy with the Output Potential Energy of the magnet.  It is suggested that in some cases, the Output Energy can be greater than the Input Energy.  The soft ferrite core will help to lead-out or bring in some electromagnetic energy.

A student at the Polytechl University told me that they did a similar experiment.  That similar experiment used steady DC current to repel a permanent magnet.  They varied the magnitude of the DC Current and used different core.  They did not use oscilloscopes to measure the Input Energy.  The student said that he would discuss the experiment with his fellow students and the professors.

If Output Potential Energy of the Permanent Magnet can be reproducibly demonstrated to be larger than the Input Electrical Energy in even 1 case, does that represent catching a Big Fish?

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 16, 2015, 12:18:58 AM
Participated in one of the Prof. Charles Kao functions.  Prof. Charles Kao received his Nobel Prize due to his work on Fiber Optics.  Their family set up a charity to help the "Brain Health".

Will the person(s) who solve the Lead-out Energy and Flying Saucer mystery to benefit the World receive a similar honor?

The field is new and many discoveries are waiting to be made. 

Share the Divine Wine.

Shall participate in two seminars. One is on Pulsing the Unbalanced Wheel Correctly.  The other is on "what can be regarded as iraces?"
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 17, 2015, 12:46:23 AM
The lead-out energy flying saucer information was discussed in the Senior Center.

If the Seniors in their Seventies and Eighties can understand the King David Sling scenario, what is preventing the forum members from understanding?  Paid debunkers?

China and USA will not be able to keep the top secret for long.  The Whole world will benefit.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on July 17, 2015, 10:13:44 AM
here is a prototype propulsion of an engine of a ufo.
and it is also the prototype of the death ray of tesla.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj4_KnRAMSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj4_KnRAMSA)


To KILL A WEIGHT VERTICALLY YOU NEED A CENTRIFUGAL FORCE HORIZONTALLY. 8) 
HAPPY EXPERIMENTING. ITS REALLY FUN. :D


 ;D
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 18, 2015, 01:45:24 AM
The meeting was held at Room 714A of Wong Haking Building at HKU.  Participants were Prof. Dennis Leung, Peter Chan and Lawrence Tseung.

The topics discussed included:

1.  Lee Cheung Kin and his contribution to lead-out energy.  Mr. Lee's background included training as missile expert at USSR, married a Japanese and was forced to be a janitor for 7 years during the Cultural Revolution, his work on camera technology and then on the field of lead-out energy.  He was responsible for arranging the meetings at Tsinghua University in 2006.

2,  The breaking up of the lead-out energy flying saucer into small projects suitable for students.  The first one will be the magnet repulsion in a vertical tube.  A demonstration will be done first - showing overunity.  The undergraduate students will first follow the demonstration.  They will then compete to get the highest COP with different improvements.

3, The QMOGEN may be the next student experiment.  Since there are already over 60 claimed QMOGENs on the Internet, we may develop one at HKU based on published data.

4.  The circular motion control with accurate pulsing will be done much later.  It may take much more funding and resources.

5.  Prof. Leung will be on vacation from next week to the end of August.  Peter and Lawrence will do some preparation work meanwhile.  Student participation is planned in October and concrete scientific data is expected towards the end of the year.  The necessary resources from HKU including top of the line oscilloscopes from Electrical Engineering Department will be available if and when necessary.

God bless,

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 18, 2015, 02:12:59 PM
Bought a one meter transparent tube with inside diameter at 30mm.  The cost was HKD65.  A two meter tube costs HKD103.

Got six 28mm diameter magnets to match.

Ordered the copper wire and the ferrite rod.

Shall get the dust off the Atten oscilloscope to prepare for a demonstration experiment.

Show how to catch the first fish?

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 19, 2015, 01:37:24 AM
The plan is to dedicate the magnet repulsion experiment to Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  His funeral service will be on Aug 7, 2015. 

I hope to have the draft experiment completed at the Hong Kong Invention Association.  He and the late Mr. Cheung Kai Fung did much to help the Alternative Energy Researchers.

May he rest in peace forever.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 19, 2015, 10:39:45 AM
Circuit diagram to hook up to the Atten DSO.

With the Coil in the circuit, both the voltage and current waveforms will not be DC.  We can get the Power accurately from the integration of the Voltage and Current.  We can also get the Input Energy from selecting the time period after looking at the waveforms.

The waveforms will be digitized by the Atten and the result can be analyzed with EXCEL.  This will be demonstrated as "catching the first fish".  The top of the line DSOs at Hong Kong University can do the calculation automatically.  We shall publish one set of COP > 1 results.

The students can follow the demonstration first.  They can then compete to get the best COP by varying the DC power, the Coil windings, the circuit components, using different magnets and different ferrite material etc.  The detailed scientific results are planned to be published towards the end of 2015.

The Divine Wine flows.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on July 19, 2015, 12:21:44 PM
Circuit diagram to hook up to the Atten DSO.

With the Coil in the circuit, both the voltage and current waveforms will not be DC.  We can get the Power accurately from the integration of the Voltage and Current.  We can also get the Input Energy from selecting the time period after looking at the waveforms.

The waveforms will be digitized by the Atten and the result can be analyzed with EXCEL.  This will be demonstrated as "catching the first fish".  The top of the line DSOs at Hong Kong University can do the calculation automatically.  We shall publish one set of COP > 1 results.

The students can follow the demonstration first.  They can then compete to get the best COP by varying the DC power, the Coil windings, the circuit components, using different magnets and different ferrite material etc.  The detailed scientific results are planned to be published towards the end of 2015.

The Divine Wine flows.

Lawrence
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There are lots of ways to obtain grossly incorrect results from such a simple experiment.  Such was demonstrated by years of erroneous measurements of a similar circuit by Rosemary Ainslie and some of her followers.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 20, 2015, 12:46:19 PM
Caught 8 big ones.  Use steel wire.  Drawback was less sensitive.  But the advantage for outweights.

Can demonstrate the technique.

Looks like we can also do a demo on the magnet repulsion before the students experiment...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 21, 2015, 01:17:27 AM
What are the possibilities of experimental errors in the vertical tube Magnet Repulsion Experiment?

Prof. Dennis Leung is correct in breaking the lead-out energy flying saucer into many small student projects.  The first one he chooses is the vertical tube Magnet Repulsion Experiment.

As Physicists and Engineers, we all did the experiment with a coil and a magnet.  The most common experiment is to pass DC current through the coil to turn it into an electromagnet.  This electromagnet is then used to interact with a permanent magnet.  The attraction and repulsion behavior can be easily demonstrated.  More advanced experiments include comparing air core with ferrite cores.

The suggested experiment is to accurately measure the Electrical Energy Input with the Potential Energy Output.  All Universities and Commercial organization with good DSOs can do the experiment.

The plan is for the preparation team to do a sample experiment demonstrating overunity.  This will be confirmed and verified by hundreds of Undergraduate and Post graduate Students at Hong Kong University.  The Students will compete to modify the demonstration set up to get the best COP.  This is expected to be followed by other Universities in Hong Kong and Worldwide.  The scientific data and paper will then be published officially.

The chance of an experimental error by hundreds or thousands competing Students and Universities is next to zero. 

China and USA may have no choice but to disclose their top secrets.  The many reported UFOs may already be using the lead-out energy flying saucer technology.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier may see daylight.  The World will benefit.

I shall post my efforts including every material purchase, every experiment detail here.  I may make mistakes.  My poor eyesight and shaky hands are prone to errors.  Do not rely on my results.  Rely on the hundreds of improved competition experiments and the Official Scientific Papers from Hong Kong University and other establishments.

Divine Wine flows.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 22, 2015, 12:16:15 AM
Material list for the draft experiment on Vertical tube magnet repulsion.

1.   Vertical transparent tube 30mm inside diameter, 1 meter, HK$65, Sun International Supplies Limited 2780-0858
2.   Round circular magnet with hole in middle diameter 28mm, Six at HK$18 each, Wah Fai 9753-3792
3.   One coil wire 1mm diameter, 100 meters, HK$80, Wing Hong Electrical Supplier 2625-4736
4.   One ohm resistor up to 10 watts, Two at HK$6 each, Crocodile Clips etc. at HK$18, Bozam Radio Service 2388-9859
5.   On and off switch up to 10 Amp, HK$31, Ban Wah Control Equipment Co. Ltd. 2770-0800
6.   10 meters Magnet Wire, 2 soft ferrite rods 10 cm long, one diameter 30mm, one diameter 35mm, HK$100 Wai Choi 2388-3839

An Atten Oscilloscope and a DC Power Supply up to 30V were available from previous purchases.  Estimated cost HK$3,000.

Total cost = HK$3414
The cost including travel, small tools etc. should be less than HK$3,500.

***This vertical tube magnet repulsion experiment can be done by almost every University, every Secondary School with a DSO in Hong Kong and Worldwide.  At this stage, it can be treated as a scientific experiment worth exploring.

Can USA and China stop such an experiment Worldwide?  Will they disclose their top secret to benefit the World?

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on July 22, 2015, 08:33:11 AM
I like the motto “give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for the rest of his life”... sir you are doing a big movement! Which I see a small guy fishing in a big pond full of fisher men.

I use to fish myself as creativity. You can sense the bite of a fish with your six senses via just the sensory of the fingers. One can catch any fish with out looking at it. The more you catch, the greater the hook engineering improves. But it comes to a point where the energy of trowing in the hook is very little of what bites. COP >  blue whale.

Sir you motivate people and I'm glad there are people in this world like yourself.  GOOOD job sir! Looking at things from different angles comes with age and experience. My respects. I some times need a reminder that there is actual life outside my closet of enslaved fear to not get penalties with money when I speak out.

Lets educate the children with positive things instead if allowing them to watch spongebob.

BTW sir, interesting fact, piranha can bite through steel wire. Their teeth are like steel pliers. And their “mother nature” engineering teeth will amaze you. They are teeth like in a human mouth but they sharpen themselves when biting. It's amazing to understand these things. I believe that 99% of the modern population is “tapping” in to mother nature way of life. NO HUMAN HAS INVENTED ANYTHING ONLY WILL DISCOVER FROM THE GIFT OF MOTHER NATURE "FREEE" ENERGY” :)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 22, 2015, 02:40:01 PM
Lessons learned from the first experiment.

1.  The 28mm diameter  magnet was too thin.  As soon as current was ON, it flipped and attraction took place.  One way is to use thick magnets.  Another way is to use multiple magnets to increase thickness.  Another way is to screw the magnet onto a wood or plastic piece to prevent flipping.  The non-magnetic HK$1 coin happens to have almost same diameter as the magnet.  Tried to tape 4 coils to magnet and got better results - no flipping.  May glue them together.

2.  The magnets are too strong compared with the coils.  The 1mm general purpose wire could not produce enough magnetism to attract paper clips with air core.  It could do so with the ferrite core.  When the magnet wire was used, it could attract paper clips even with air core.

3.  We may need to use more turns with the magnet wire.  Closer matching would be needed.  The present set up used 120 turns.  500 or more turns will be tried.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 23, 2015, 01:42:21 AM
Pictures of various tests.

The first test is to check the properties of the circular magnet and the ferrite rods.

The circular magnets are very strong.  When two are attracted on top of each other, the only way to separate is to slide with great strength.

The Ferrite rod has no magnetism but can be magnetized easily.  It retains some magnetism for a short period after the permanent magnet is removed.  It does enhance the magnetism of the coil.

Following the Divine Guidance.

Lawrence
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 23, 2015, 02:01:34 AM
The basic circuit.

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 23, 2015, 11:23:28 AM
Use coin taped to magnet to increase thickness and prevent flipping inside tube.

Need to increase strength of coil.  Shall try more turns and higher current.  Multiple layering will also be tried.

It looks like the experiment done in 2009 with smaller tube and smaller magnet was better.  Need to rethnk and re-examine material list. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3As-tmCQU

***
Divine Revelation?

The material list and the circuit diagram are now posted.  A sample demo from 2009 at the Office of Dr. Raymond Ting was available.  The actual parts may need change (Magnet too thin and too tight, Coil strength too weak etc.).  However, any qualified University or Organization with good DSO can do the experiment now.

The fishing scenario is complete.  The fishing line, the hook, the bait are defined.  Let others shine.  Let the student compete to do the first COP greater than 1.  Let them compete for the best COP.  Let them improve from straight line to circular motion.  Let them get the largest fish.  Just cheer them on.  Let them meet the challenge. Let them have the fun and the honor.  Let them shine.

***

Lawrence
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on July 24, 2015, 07:47:32 AM
Magnetic fields are complicated to understand:

Part 1: https://youtu.be/GEogsEfFXrg

Part 2: https://youtu.be/BkGElmxZmhk

Part 3: https://youtu.be/HWuXvZFn91Q

BUT they are not 100% understood = more research is needed that can maybe takes is into another dimension.

It is 100% obvious though that a circular magnet has an intake and outake/exhaust. Like a car engine the way it breathes. It takes in air and fuel for the pistons to make an explosion. The magnets also need an intake and an exhaust to keep on being magnetic. I think everything is all magnetic even when it comes to the mind.

If you can use some type of equipment to measure the magnetic field of a female brain waves and compare the female magnetic wave field that of a male, you can see the different magnetic fields in both. IMO.

Now if we look in the macro world, why does the hot vapor move up and how much of magnetic field has in the macro atoms? By the same token, how much magnetic field does a “heavy” macro atom has “to fall down in to gravity”? 

I have a feeling that the universe can be under a great magnetic field that is so strong that no human six sense can feel it..It may be HUGE that “tapping” in such huge magnetic field can make one disappear or fly to another earth in the galaxy.

At any rate, this is all learned once very mature in age which is another evidence of the magnetic field. = a young child has food of the electromagnetic to attract food from the mature. A mature person keeps on going by feeding magnetism from the youth = a magnetic field of the mind. Which = expansion or contraction but mostly expansion. Gravity is just a misconception of magnetism.

Hey sir, How much energy does it take to fish a blue whale? :)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 25, 2015, 07:58:12 PM
Use coin taped to magnet to increase thickness and prevent flipping inside tube.

Need to increase strength of coil.  Shall try more turns and higher current.  Multiple layering will also be tried.

It looks like the experiment done in 2009 with smaller tube and smaller magnet was better.  Need to rethnk and re-examine material list. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3As-tmCQU

***
Divine Revelation?

The material list and the circuit diagram are now posted.  A sample demo from 2009 at the Office of Dr. Raymond Ting was available.  The actual parts may need change (Magnet too thin and too tight, Coil strength too weak etc.).  However, any qualified University or Organization with good DSO can do the experiment now.

The fishing scenario is complete.  The fishing line, the hook, the bait are defined.  Let others shine.  Let the student compete to do the first COP greater than 1.  Let them compete for the best COP.  Let them improve from straight line to circular motion.  Let them get the largest fish.  Just cheer them on.  Let them meet the challenge. Let them have the fun and the honor.  Let them shine.

***

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new

Let us see who will catch the first fish.  Who will reproduce the flying magnet experiment posted in 2009?  Who will compare the air core with the ferrite cores and post on this thread?  Who will do the Input Energy and Output Energy comparison?  Who will claim to have achieved Overunity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3As-tmCQU

We can have Hong Kong University as the judge or referee.  Their Students can compete also.  If the Hong Kong Government provides the necessary support, will Hong Kong become the Innovation Center of the World?

Will China and USA disclose their top secret?  Who will shine???

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 26, 2015, 01:10:34 AM
The single picture that would save one thousand words.

Now that the stage is set for the fishing competition.  Almost all Universities or Engineering Institutes can do the experiment. Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer will be a certainty if not already happened.

Will Hong Kong be the Innovation Center and benefit the World?

Will the politicians and academics support it?

Lawrence

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 26, 2015, 04:21:42 AM
Magnetic fields are complicated to understand:

Part 1: https://youtu.be/GEogsEfFXrg

Part 2: https://youtu.be/BkGElmxZmhk

Part 3: https://youtu.be/HWuXvZFn91Q

BUT they are not 100% understood = more research is needed that can maybe takes us into another dimension.
...


We know that if there is electron motion, there will be electromagnetic field.
  A result is electromagnetic wave.  Light is a form of electromagnetic wave.  Another result is the occurrence of magnetic field.

All atoms have electrons in motion.  Have the scientists really understood magnetism or electromagnetism?  Centuries ago, man did not know how to use solar cells.  They could not use sunlight effectively.  Does man know how to use electromagnetic energy effectively?

Do we need more research?  Will the Vertical Tube Magnet Repulsion experiment provide more understanding?

Will Hong Kong become the Innovation Center of the World?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 26, 2015, 09:09:03 AM
From a student who plans to join the competition:

"Can I use multiply stages to send the magnet up?"

This means the competition may include detecting the position and speed of the magnet.  Send one or more pulses at the right time.  The rotatory case includes the same mechanism.

Open development has its virtues.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on July 26, 2015, 09:29:46 AM
I like your movement sir, I believe that this universe is electric and the magnetic field in this earth was made from the electric explosion in this galaxy (not from the magma) so we have two types of magnetism A) The static type and B) The electric type.

Why electricity makes magnetism, who knows!? but it seems like it's a way of making it's own legs to keep on crawling and evading “gravity”...maybe even stepping in to another dimension.

One may see magnetism only in mechanical stuff but everything is electric and repulsion. Even an airplane can be seen as lift off is from the opposite forces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_locomotion_in_living_systems

At any rate, good luck with your success. I'm sure you are motivating students as we speak! Which is good. Like planting the positive wave thinking in a seed.

PS, if you are wondering about why I mention "electric universe" just google it and watch the videos like this one https://youtu.be/r39IUP5XmXY
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 26, 2015, 09:43:59 PM
Which generation will become the first riders on Flying Saucers?

The youtube experiment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3As-tmCQU
is being reproduced by multiple entities now.  We plan to have some preliminary results to honor Mr. Lee Cheung Kin at his funeral service on Aug 6.

The file in
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
has been updated.  The draft overview Chapter 1 is complete.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 28, 2015, 12:06:01 AM
Tribute article to Mr. Lee Cheung Kin

Dear Mrs. Lee, Relatives and Friends of Mr. Lee Cheung Kin,

I take this opportunity to pay tribute to my dear friend and scientific partner, Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  Mr. Lee first visited me in 2002 and discussed Free Energy.

I still remembered the time he invited me to Zhuhai and showed me videos of Free Energy Inventions.  These inventions included the 188 HP Liang Car and the Wang Shen He Magnet Motor.  We accepted that they were not hoaxes and started to develop plausible scientific explanations.  We spent the whole afternoon discussing different possibilities without any concrete results.

The next morning, Mr. Lee woke me up from my hotel room at 7 am and asked me to rush over.  He showed me a pendulum toy.  The toy used one AA battery and allowed the picture of horses to rock for over six months.  Mr. Lee said, “That is the explanation. A pushed pendulum will lead-out gravitational energy.”

I then did the mathematics for a horizontally pushed pendulum.  I knew that the push would increase the tension of the string.  I assumed that the vertical component of the tension was responsible in leading out or bringing in gravitational energy to lift the pendulum bob.  Such an explanation would not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.

We then spread the good news to other Inventors and academics.  One person was the late chairman of the Hong Kong Invention Association, Mr. Cheung King Fung.  Mr. Cheung helped us to participate in Invention Exhibitions.

In 2006, Mr. Lee, myself and Mr. Wang Shen He got invited to Tsinghua University to present our theory and explain the workings of some inventions.  These inventions included the 225 HP Pulse Motor funded by Andrew Wong of Yuen Fat Company in Hong Kong and the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor was developed by an USA team and some of the key members flew to Beijing.  Mr. Lee made the Tsinghua trip a brilliant scientific success.

When we went back to Hong Kong, we learned that the projects were classified as top secret in both China and USA.  All support vanished and we had to rely on our own resources.

Mr. Lee was always encouraging.  We never gave up.  The last time we meet was in July this year.  We discussed the lead-out energy flying saucer.  Those interested can pick up a one page brochure.    We are now working with Hong Kong University to break up the project into many small student projects.  One of them may be named the “Lee Cheung Kin” Experiment.

Mr. Lee Cheung Kin will always be remembered as the father of lead-out energy.  May he rest in peace!  Others will continue his efforts to benefit the World.

Thank you.

Lawrence Tseung
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 29, 2015, 11:00:02 PM

I still remembered the time he invited me to Zhuhai and showed me videos of Free Energy Inventions.  These inventions included the 188 HP Liang Car and the Wang Shen He Magnet Motor.  We accepted that they were not hoaxes and started to develop plausible scientific explanations.  We spent the whole afternoon discussing different possibilities without any concrete results.


student: "Lee and you accepted the inventions were not hoaxes.  That is the difference."

Tseung: "In the field of science, keep an open mind."

student: "Develop plausible scientific explanations."

Tseung: "Ignore the nay Sayers and the debunkers who did not seek plausible scientific explanations.  Personal attacks have no place in scientific research."

Attached is the Chinese Eulogy article.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 31, 2015, 03:01:00 PM
Reproduce the magnet and coil repulsion experiment.

https://youtu.be/E1VsFD7VXSQ

The simple experiment uses a magnet, a 300 turn coil, a switch and a DC Power Supply that can generate up to 30V.

The magnet is taped to a pvc tube to give it some height and weight.  It is put inside a transparent tube where the coil is wound.  The relative position of the magnet and the coil is adjusted to get the largest repulsion.

This is the start of the flying saucer magnet repulsion experiments.  The first step is to show that it works.  The follow-up steps will make it as efficient as possible.  Then do the Input and Output Energy measurements and comparisons.  I have shown "how to fish".  Others will catch the big ones and shine. Their efforts will not be in vain.

Divine wine flows...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 01, 2015, 08:50:31 AM
蒋先生:辛苦您了!请代我致悼词!王沈河  《会深圳聚沈阳,登清华大学堂,您侃侃而讲,音容笑貌如常,惊悉乘鹤去,痛心又疾首,悼词虽恳挚,难挽健哥手,西去路漫漫,一路好好走。送一送我的李长健老友!— 沉痛悼念李长健先生》

Eulogy article to honor Mr. Lee Cheung Kin from Mr. Wang Shen He.

I treasure the memories of meetings in Shenzhen; visits in Shenyang and especially the discussions at Tsinghua University.  Your great speeches, encouraging smiles and confident manners leave lasting impressions in my heart.  When I learned that you departed from this World, my heart aches.

My Eulogy speech is short but sincere.  I am deeply sorrowed for this loss.  May your long awaited journey to Heaven be peaceful! 

Farewell to my dearest friend Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  From Wang Shen He with a heavy heart.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 02, 2015, 06:25:45 PM
Increased the number of turns.  The Magnet jumped higher.

Waiting for someone to catch the big fish.  Output potential energy will be proven to be greater than Input electrical energy in some situations.

The amount of current can be increased by stepping up the DC voltage.  It can also be increased by increasing the number of turns.  Proper winding is important.   Presence of ferromagnetic material as core greatly increases the magnetism compared with air core.  Catching the big fish is just a matter of time.  Who will shine???  Who will catch the biggest fish (highest COP)?

*** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnet
Much stronger magnetic fields can be produced if a "magnetic core" of a soft ferromagnetic (or ferrimagnetic) material, such as iron, is placed inside the coil.[1][12][2][13] A core can increase the magnetic field to thousands of times the strength of the field of the coil alone, due to the high magnetic permeability μ of the material.[1][2] This is called a ferromagnetic-core or iron-core electromagnet.
***
Does the much stronger magnetic field cause the magnet to jump higher without more Input Electrical Energy ?

If so, the big fishes are just waiting to be caught (by the Hong Kong University Students as lab projects)?  Will Hong Kong become the Mecca of Innovation?

When will China and USA disclose the top secret?  How many UFOs are using the lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology now?

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 06, 2015, 11:05:33 PM
Mr. Lee Cheung Kin will be remembered as the Father of Lead-out Energy forever.  Many inventors and academics vowed to continue his work.  The top secrets of China and USA will be disclosed to benefit the World.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on August 07, 2015, 06:58:16 AM
Mr. Lee Cheung Kin will be remembered as the Father of Lead-out Energy forever.  Many inventors and academics vowed to continue his work.  The top secrets of China and USA will be disclosed to benefit the World.

the future holds much promise, with devotion at any age, as you lead by example.

keep the dream alive!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 07, 2015, 12:40:05 PM
The lid on the coffin of Mr. Lee Cheung Kin was nailed this morning.  The various Eulogy speeches were said.   The Father of Lead-out Energy will rest.  Some of his words will be remembered forever.

He was with the Chinese Military.  He was the one who introduced the Laing Car and the Wang Shen He Wheel to me.  He was the one who took me to Tsinghua University and discussed the 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Energy Multiplier. 

Was he right in saying that China already have UFOs flying?  Would we need the resources and independence of a Nation to develop the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?  Would there be political obstacles to overcome?

Will China and USA disclose the top secret to benefit the World???

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 07, 2015, 07:39:39 PM
Leading out of magnetic energy when DC current is passed in solenoid with ferromagnetic material.

Ferromagnetic material such as iron can be considered as having tinny magnets arranged in random fashion when no current.  When DC current passes through in solenoid fashion, these tinny magnets arrange or align themselves to become effective larger magnets.

Can we treat this as a case of leading-out the magnetic energy when DC current is passed?  Is the magnetic strength of iron core solenoid much stronger than air core?   

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 09, 2015, 01:26:46 AM
Some modification to the magnet and coil repulsion experiment.

The use of air coil and magnet is simple as shown.
https://youtu.be/E1VsFD7VXSQ

Once iron rod was introduced, the magnet attracted the iron.  The attraction could be so strong that the magnet did not jump up at all.

One modification is to use two iron core coils to do the experiment.  A hole can be made in the middle of the iron rod.  The jumping can be guided by a plastic wooden rod.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 09, 2015, 07:37:23 AM
Iron core magnet.  As soon as current is stopped, the magnetism disappears.

Ready to check that Output Potential Energy can be greater than Input Electrical Energy...

Let the students catch the big fish.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 12, 2015, 03:10:18 AM
Waveform of DC Pulse across the iron core coil.

The DC Power Generator was set to 14V.  The Pulse was from the hand push of the switch.  Several attempts were tried before the attached waveform was captured.  Much more work needs to be done.

Better DSO will reduce experimental errors.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 12, 2015, 03:21:41 AM
http://energyscienceconference.com/2015/08/11/2015-energy-conference-photos-john-bedini-1/img_7552/

Bedini and his motor at the 2015 energy conference.

Can it be a hoax?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 12, 2015, 04:53:29 AM
http://energyscienceconference.com/2015/08/11/2015-energy-conference-photos-john-bedini-1/img_7552/

Bedini and his motor at the 2015 energy conference.

Can it be a hoax?
It is well established that John Bedini has been pitching BS for 35 years.  He still pays the power utility for his electricity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 13, 2015, 12:13:27 AM
Waveform across 1 ohm resistor.

Does the waveform make sense?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 13, 2015, 12:21:54 AM
It is well established that John Bedini has been pitching BS for 35 years.  He still pays the power utility for his electricity.

John Bedini and many others are fighting against the USA Government...  The many UFO researchers are doing the same.  UFOs are known for much longer than 35 years.

Will US or Chinese Governments disclose the top secret?  Or will some other Nation do it?

Will Hong Kong University or any other academic institution publish the scientific data on the magnet repulsion experiment?  Will the governments suppress such research?

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2015, 01:09:28 AM
Waveform across 1 ohm resistor.

Does the waveform make sense?
The waveform shows obvious effects of ESL.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2015, 01:11:01 AM
John Bedini and many others are fighting against the USA Government...  The many UFO researchers are doing the same.  UFOs are known for much longer than 35 years.

Will US or Chinese Governments disclose the top secret?  Or will some other Nation do it?

Will Hong Kong University or any other academic institution publish the scientific data on the magnet repulsion experiment?  Will the governments suppress such research?

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Lawrence, you do yourself no favors by defending the likes of Bedini.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 13, 2015, 02:00:27 AM
Input waveforms
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2015, 02:56:09 AM
Input waveforms
Do you suffer from the misconception that your resistor is free of inductance, or that your scope probe does not require power from the circuit under test?  If you are using a function generator, set the pulse up as a trapezoid and vary the rise time over a range from say 10 times what it is now to 1/10th what it is now and watch what happens to your wave forms.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: TinselKoala on August 13, 2015, 03:52:10 AM
Both channels have bandwidth limiting turned on, and CH2 is AC-coupled. Why?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 13, 2015, 02:34:57 PM
Both channels have bandwidth limiting turned on, and CH2 is AC-coupled. Why?
CH2 is now DC-coupled.  Shall play with bandwidth limiting off.

Bottom diagram has BW limiting off on both channels.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2015, 03:22:49 PM
The spikes you see in the current waveform are aberrations caused by the ESL of the big cement resistor.  The total voltage across the resistor is the vector sum of I*R + ESL*di/dt.  The ESL*di/dt term distorts the leading and trailing edges.  You can either change out the cement resistor for a low inductance resistor, or compensate the response.  You probably don't have the equipment around to compensate the response so you should buy a current sense resistor that is low inductance.  Invest $6.00 in one of these:  http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/13FPR100E/13FPR100E-ND/998513.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 13, 2015, 09:40:29 PM
Wave form analysis possible with the Atten DSO.

The values of Current (voltage across 1 ohm resistor) and Voltage across the iron-core Coil) can be captured and analyzed.

The BMP file and the Excel graphs are displayed for comparison.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2015, 09:47:00 PM
Until you clean up the meaurements, it is a case of garbage in / garbage out.  Rosemary Ainslie used cement resistors and two sides of a wire for her current measurements and got completely bogus results.  At least in your case, your scope probe is across the resistor.  You should be assking yourself what could cause the current to overshoot as indicated by interpreting the current viewing resistor voltage as I*R.  Circuit inductance resists changes in current. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2015, 01:53:54 AM
Until you clean up the meaurements, it is a case of garbage in / garbage out.  Rosemary Ainslie used cement resistors and two sides of a wire for her current measurements and got completely bogus results.  At least in your case, your scope probe is across the resistor.  You should be assking yourself what could cause the current to overshoot as indicated by interpreting the current viewing resistor voltage as I*R.  Circuit inductance resists changes in current.

Since Hong Kong University has taken up the experiment as student projects, I shall let them do much more vigorous scientific research.  They have better equipment and resources.  Other academic institutions are likely to join.

My job is to sow seeds. 

I am sure that USA and Chinese Military Researchers have done similar experiments and some UFOs are already flying.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on August 14, 2015, 02:22:59 AM
Since Hong Kong University has taken up the experiment as student projects, I shall let them do much more vigorous scientific research.  They have better equipment and resources.  Other academic institutions are likely to join.

My job is to sow seeds. 

I am sure that USA and Chinese Military Researchers have done similar experiments and some UFOs are already flying.

Lawrence

haha the aliens must be getting a good laugh at this from the comfort of their own climate controlled flying frisbees.

lots of ufo claims in uploaded media. pictures, videos on youtube, and not surprisingly, interviews with them as well.
hollywood has cashed in more from science fiction that it ever did for non science fiction.

as inspiring as star trek was and still is, stephen hawking might not have to pay out 10 million dollars to anyone able to
prove to him that aliens exist. i could have read and remembered it wrong about that though and he might have meant something different than that that involves 10 million dollars and aliens.

can a IFO exist? if it can be identified or it remains a UFO.

if there is something important to a flying craft being frisbee like in shape, perhaps area 51 can answer that the best.

have you seen one of these flying crafts in person that has convinced you?
some claim to have done so.

 


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2015, 05:28:02 AM
I take the stand that UFOs or Flying Saucers exist and flying.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor works.  The 60 QMOGENs from different Nations are not hoaxes.

The task is to find a plausible scientific explanation.

King David Sling scenario as discussed in the ninth design of the flying saucer is scientifically sound.  Lead-out Energy is plausible.  The Pulsed pendulum, the Milkovic 2SO, the Chan Wheel all worked.

The present task is to check whether the magnet-coil repulsion experiment can lead to a case of overunity...
The DSO analysis should provide accurate figures for Input Power and Energy...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2015, 06:52:58 AM
Air core waveforms.

Top is with magnet inside tube jumping.

Bottom is with no magnet.

*** From preliminary measurements, the Input Electrical Energy to the air-core and iron-core were approximately equal.  It was mainly number of turns dependent.  However, the magnetism from the iron-core was many times that of air-core.  The result is in line with known properties of electromagnets.

*** This points to the possibility of Electrical Input Energy may be less than the Output potential energy of a magnet or a coil.  More experiments are needed but we shall have dozens if not hundreds of students working on it.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on August 14, 2015, 12:34:25 PM
I take the stand that UFOs or Flying Saucers exist and flying.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor works.  The 60 QMOGENs from different Nations are not hoaxes.

The task is to find a plausible scientific explanation.

-we and nearly everyone wish the generators worked.
the task for the 60 self running motor generators is to ask one of them nicely enough to want to finally bring 1 working one to a reputable 3rd party tester, to help bring substance to it and to the other 59 nearly identical claims who also still chosen not to.
most people would think the potentially wealthy inventors would want to also help clean up pollution much sooner.
magicians rarely reveal the mechanics to their craft, and if they did, it would not remain limited to magic.

King David Sling scenario as discussed in the ninth design of the flying saucer is scientifically sound.  Lead-out Energy is plausible.  The Pulsed pendulum, the Milkovic 2SO, the Chan Wheel all worked.

-at first i believed many of the perpetual motion examples were capable. what has the prize money still waiting to be collected?
now i only think maybe a few of them might be possible, and those ones might not have been created just yet.
magnet based concepts possibly, others think radiant energy will make it happen.
some developers focus on cleaner forms of combustion, battery and capacitor storage, or new wind and solar developments that continue to get better with revision.

your work has its interests in electro magnets in relation to its effects involving gravity as part of your path of research. the idea of how would a disc shaped craft be able to power itself. you have taken on a great challenge trying to make sense of that one, the journey might be better than the destination, though as long as you enjoy the scenery along the route, then you know you are doing the right thing and not hurting anyone in the process.





The present task is to check whether the magnet-coil repulsion experiment can lead to a case of overunity...
The DSO analysis should provide accurate figures for Input Power and Energy...

-its because of determined people like yourself, that much good can happen as a result of continued work.


Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 14, 2015, 12:39:05 PM
Air core waveforms.

Top is with magnet inside tube jumping.

Bottom is with no magnet.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
As long as you use a cement resistor as your current sensing device the leading and trailing edge measurements will be fouled up.  If you are serious you can surely spend the small amount of money needed to buy a proper current sense resistor.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2015, 10:26:56 PM
Summary on Aug 15, 2015

Mr. Lee Cheung Kin, the scientist who first proposed that gravitational energy could be lead-out via a horizontally pulsed pendulum, passed away on July 9, 2015.  His proposal was turned into mathematics by Lawrence Tseung.  Such a proposal would not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.  However, it opened a new line of scientific thinking. 

If gravitational energy could be lead-out, magnetic or electromagnetic energy could be lead-out also.  The 188 HP Laing Car, the Wang Shen He Magnetic Motor, the 225 HP Pulse Motor, the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier, the Milkovic two stage pendulum and the Chan Wheel etc. would not be hoaxes. 

The QMOGEN patent granted to Jesse McQueen in 2006 by USA is valid.

 The work of Bedini, Newman, Steven Mark, Witts Ministry etc. all have solid scientific backing.  The latest ninth design of the Flying Saucer based on varying the speed of the magnet in circular motion is scientifically sound. 

All points to the fact that the lead-out energy flying saucer is possible and may have already been implemented by USA and Chinese Military.  They are keeping this technology top secret as it will lead to a new paradigm. 

A simple scientific experiment comparing the Input Electrical Energy and the Output Potential Energy of a magnet or a coil is proposed and turned into student projects at Hong Kong University.  This experiment will change the academic thinking forever. 

The 60 reported QMOGENs and the “free energy” researchers will be viewed in a different light.  The World will be able to use abundant, pollution free, readily available lead-out gravitational or electromagnetic energy.  The electron motion energy of atoms may be used without the need for chemical reactions.  The new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer will come in the foreseeable future.

USA or China may disclose the top secret.  Or a third Nation will do so to benefit the World.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2015, 11:18:08 PM
As long as you use a cement resistor as your current sensing device the leading and trailing edge measurements will be fouled up.  If you are serious you can surely spend the small amount of money needed to buy a proper current sense resistor.

It does not matter at this stage as the experiment is in the first crude stage.  We should not rely on the hand-pushed switch.  We should not have hand-winding.  We should use thicker wires and higher current,  We should use two iron-core coils.  We should use better ferromagnetic material than the iron rods, etc.

All these will be improved by the Students at Hong Kong University or other top academic institutions.  They will catch the Big Fish and shine...

There is no time pressure.  The Flying Saucers from USA and China are already flying...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 15, 2015, 12:40:10 AM
Invest in minimal fixturing to take accurate measurements or don't.  Work with small error bars or gigantic ones.  It is all up to you to try and make your case for your claims.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 01:13:24 AM
Air core waveforms.

Top is with magnet inside tube jumping.

Bottom is with no magnet.

*** From preliminary measurements, the Input Electrical Energy to the air-core and iron-core were approximately equal.  It was mainly number of turns dependent.  However, the magnetism from the iron-core was many times that of air-core.  The result is in line with known properties of electromagnets.

*** This points to the possibility of Electrical Input Energy may be less than the Output potential energy of a magnet or a coil.  More experiments are needed but we shall have dozens if not hundreds of students working on it.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new

If less energy is required to align the "magnets or dipoles" in ferromagnetic materials than the resulting magnetic energy available, we have a clear case of lead-out energy.  The experiments so far point to this direction.  More experiments will be done to confirm this.

The remaining question is - if we use this energy, how would this energy be replenished?

Are there more onion skins to be peeled than stated in textbooks???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 01:30:14 AM
Invest in minimal fixturing to take accurate measurements or don't.  Work with small error bars or gigantic ones.  It is all up to you to try and make your case for your claims.

That was my mistake in the past.  Try to use limited resources to do the impossible.  Try to row a boat across the Pacific. 

The correct path is to pass the responsibility to the groups with proper resources.  The late Lee Cheung Kin took the right approach - just pass the research results to his contacts.  USA and Chinese Military have succeeded.  They are keeping the technology top secret.  Will another Nation or other small academic institutions "rediscover" the top secret?

There is no need for me to make any case for my claims.  There is no pressure on the academic institutions. The UFOs are flying... 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 15, 2015, 04:14:34 AM
That was my mistake in the past.  Try to use limited resources to do the impossible.  Try to row a boat across the Pacific. 

The correct path is to pass the responsibility to the groups with proper resources.  The late Lee Cheung Kin took the right approach - just pass the research results to his contacts.  USA and Chinese Military have succeeded.  They are keeping the technology top secret.  Will another Nation or other small academic institutions "rediscover" the top secret?

There is no need for me to make any case for my claims.  There is no pressure on the academic institutions. The UFOs are flying...
But you have yet to actually generate any "research results" that support your ideas to pass on to others with more sophisticated instrumentation.  You tell stories: ludicrous stories.  You offer no reason for any individual, much less any research institution to give your stories a second thought.  If you think so little of your own ideas that you are unwilling to spend a very small amount of money so that you can at least conduct reasonably accurate measurements, then that says a lot about what you think about your own ideas.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 09:40:41 AM
Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.

China is catching up because the whole Nation is willing to take risks.  The late Lee Cheung Kin, Wang Shen He and I were invited to Tsinghua University in early 2006 on a one page description of the lead-out energy theory... 

The lead-out energy flying saucer was mentioned and the Nanjing UFO was on youtube in Oct, 2006. (It took me nine years to go from version 1 to version 9 in the design.  It probably took less than 9 weeks for China to get a working prototype flying.  It might not be perfect as it accidentally flew over Nanjing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_OH6nu7V8

Hong Kong is a leading city of China.  It will be a fertile ground for lead-out energy flying saucers.

Hong Kong was the place where the 225 HP Pulse Motor got its investment.  Hong Kong is likely to become the Mecca of Innovation.  I have spent time both in Hong Kong and California.  The time in Hong Kong is more productive, very much more.

China will become the number one Nation within ten years - not only in manufacturing, finance, sports but also in innovation.  I am sure that the late Lee Cheung Kin was correct - China has already developed flying saucers.  I just graduated from kindergarten.   Chinese and USA Military Researchers are already at post-graduate level.

My efforts will help to get either USA or China to disclose the top secret to benefit the World.  There is always the possibility of a third Nation...

Divine Wine flows.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 15, 2015, 10:42:42 AM
Now, you've reverted to talking total nonsense once again.  I do not know what you hope to gain from these silly fantasies that you promote.  You might as well start telling stories of a secret army of self-powered super robots housed underneath the Peninsula Hotel. 

What's flowing here hasn't been divine, and for wine it has an awfully unpleasant smell.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on August 15, 2015, 11:46:26 AM
Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.

China is catching up because the whole Nation is willing to take risks.  The late Lee Cheung Kin, Wang Shen He and I were invited to Tsinghua University in early 2006 on a one page description of the lead-out energy theory... 

The lead-out energy flying saucer was mentioned and the Nanjing UFO was on youtube in Oct, 2006. (It took me nine years to go from version 1 to version 9 in the design.  It probably took less than 9 weeks for China to get a working prototype flying.  It might not be perfect as it accidentally flew over Nanjing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_OH6nu7V8


- if anyone was in that ship, the force generated from when it took off fast would result in their brains compressing in the skull, plus other extensive injuries from reaching that sudden velocity. the test pilots would not have signed up for it.
making a flying disc is one thing, making people survive that flight? sure...
you've considered a high powered force field in the list of experiments for the ships hull integrity?
and time travel to protect the ships living cargo should not be overlooked to prevent insurance claims.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 12:15:40 PM
Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.

China is catching up because the whole Nation is willing to take risks.  The late Lee Cheung Kin, Wang Shen He and I were invited to Tsinghua University in early 2006 on a one page description of the lead-out energy theory... 

The lead-out energy flying saucer was mentioned and the Nanjing UFO was on youtube in Oct, 2006. (It took me nine years to go from version 1 to version 9 in the design.  It probably took less than 9 weeks for China to get a working prototype flying.  It might not be perfect as it accidentally flew over Nanjing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_OH6nu7V8


- if anyone was in that ship, the force generated from when it took off fast would result in their brains compressing in the skull, plus other extensive injuries from reaching that sudden velocity. the test pilots would not have signed up for it.
making a flying disc is one thing, making people survive that flight? sure...
you've considered a high powered force field in the list of experiments for the ships hull integrity?
and time travel to protect the ships living cargo should not be overlooked to prevent insurance claims.

That particular UFO probably did not have pilots.  That was why it was a remote control accident/error.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 01:11:12 PM
The next monthly meeting will be on Aug 17 (Monday).  The Agenda is as follows:

1. Review of Lead-out Energy history as a result of the death of Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.
2. Demonstration of the magnetic repulsion experiment.  The demonstration will include air-core, iron-core, DSO analysis etc.
3. The resonance pump by Peter Chan
4. Review of UFOs and QMOGENs
5. The latest Bedini Motor
6. The Student project
7. Any other business.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 15, 2015, 08:53:06 PM
To be realistic, the technical thinking work on the lead-out energy flying saucer has been done.  The first breakthrough was by the late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin when he proposed that the pulsed pendulum could lead-out gravitational energy.  The second breakthrough was by Lawrence Tseung when he proposed varying the angular velocity of an unbalanced wheel.

The Lee-Tseung contribution to science can be summed up in the above statements.

All other work were refinements and sometimes resulted in errors and distractions.  USA and Chinese Military Establishments already built such flying saucers.  Since they kept this technology as top secret, it opens the door for other scientists to claim the credit and rediscover the technology to benefit the World.

Lawrence Tseung should just let others catch the Big Fish and shine.  The simple Atten DSO experiments showed that measurement of Input Electrical Energy is possible.  Much more work is required to produce proper scientific results.  He must not commit the same mistake of using his limited resources to do the impossible.  Pass the responsibility to others more capable...

*** In the diagram, Hong Kong Innovation dominated.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor was funded by Hong Kong.  Can Hong Kong become the Innovation Center of the World?  Will Hong Kong University Students catch the Big Fish?  Will Hong Kong Government and Politicians provide the necessary support?  Will the Hong Kong News Media write up the stories?  Will the Hong Kong Business elite manufacture the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers?

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 17, 2015, 01:08:43 AM
Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.

China is catching up because the whole Nation is willing to take risks.  The late Lee Cheung Kin, Wang Shen He and I were invited to Tsinghua University in early 2006 on a one page description of the lead-out energy theory... 

The lead-out energy flying saucer was mentioned and the Nanjing UFO was on youtube in Oct, 2006. (It took me nine years to go from version 1 to version 9 in the design.  It probably took less than 9 weeks for China to get a working prototype flying.  It might not be perfect as it accidentally flew over Nanjing.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-_OH6nu7V8

Hong Kong is a leading city of China.  It will be a fertile ground for lead-out energy flying saucers.

Hong Kong was the place where the 225 HP Pulse Motor got its investment.  Hong Kong is likely to become the Mecca of Innovation.  I have spent time both in Hong Kong and California.  The time in Hong Kong is more productive, very much more.

China will become the number one Nation within ten years - not only in manufacturing, finance, sports but also in innovation.  I am sure that the late Lee Cheung Kin was correct - China has already developed flying saucers.  I just graduated from kindergarten.   Chinese and USA Military Researchers are already at post-graduate level.

My efforts will help to get either USA or China to disclose the top secret to benefit the World.  There is always the possibility of a third Nation...

Divine Wine flows.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new

Let us analyze the Nanjing UFO video. 

*****
1.2   The Centrifugal Force Formula
The Centrifugal Force is equal to:
CF = m*v*v*/R   where m = mass, v – velocity and R = radius
The same formula can also be written as:
CF = m*w*w*R  where w = angular velocity (should use omega),  v=w*R
For this discussion, the second form of the formula is used.
When an object of mass m moves in a circular path as in the ninth design of the Flying Saucer, it is subjected to a Centrifugal Force away from the center – the Centrifugal Force.  The faster the angular velocity, the stronger will be this CF force. 
*****

The angular velocity can be increased every time the magnet passes through the drive coil if the collector coils are disabled. 

The technique is to disable the collector coils until the angular velocity is very high, then enable the collector coils again.

There were a few pairs of counter rotating "engines".

All the technology is within the capability of the USA or Chinese Military.

Mystery of the Nanjing UFO solved???

The top secret can now be rediscovered by many other Nations to benefit the World...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 17, 2015, 10:44:26 AM
https://youtu.be/Gy6SN643WMQ

Mr. Bill Fund did the vertical tube magnet-coil repulsion experiment.  He is now in a position to re-do and improve the experiment.  He can testify that the ferrite-core can produce much stronger magnetic field than air-core.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 17, 2015, 07:09:45 PM
Thoughts on the Student Project

1. The stated goal is to compare the Input Electrical Energy with the Output Potential Energy.  Coefficient of Performance COP is defined as Output Energy/Input Energy.

2. All indications so far pointed to COP can be greater than 1.

3. Even if COP is not greater than 1, there is still much for the Students to explore and learn.  These include use of Oscilloscopes, proper selection of magnets or coils, proper winding of coils, choice of DC Power Supply, positioning of the magnets or coils, etc.  There will still be differences in COP and winners based on COP is still possible.

4. If COP can indeed be greater than 1, a great scientific paper can be written.  The indication at present is that the power supplied to the air-core can be approximately the same as supplied to the iron-core solenoid.  The resulting magnetic field of the iron-core solenoid can be hundreds or thousands times that of air-core.  This is in line with existing knowledge.  It is very likely that this observed effect can be turned to increasing COP to beyond 1.

5. If COP can be greater than 1, the Students will compete to get the highest COP.  There may be a limit such as the amount of budget that can be spent.  (If the COP increases with the number of turns of wire or current, some students may go for many thousands of turns or thousands of DC watts.)  Setting the limit and defining the rules will be the responsibility of the professors.

6. Once such competition rules are set and refined, the competition may spread beyond Hong Kong University.  Worldwide competition may happen.  The World will learn together.

China and USA may disclose their top secrets.  Another Nation or hundreds of academic institutions are in a position to develop the lead-out energy flying saucer to benefit the World...

Hong Kong University may be the judge.  Hong Kong Government may fund the competition.  Hong Kong media may promote the event.  The winning entries may become tourist attractions in the Hong Kong Science Museum.  Hong Kong may become the Mecca of Innovation.  Hong Kong Venture Fund managers will have clients queue up at their doors.  Hong Kong Business Organizations may produce the first commercial lead-out energy generators or flying saucers...

Mr. Lee Cheung Kin will smile in his grave...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 19, 2015, 01:19:39 PM
One full set of experimental equipment is now at Hong Kong University.  Prof. Leung will put the experiment on firm scientific footing.  That includes:

1. Better Oscilloscopes
2. Better machine winding and thicker wires
3. Electronic control rather than hand pushing
4. Much more data
5. The COP > 1 cases will be proven beyond any shadow of doubt.
6. Eliminate as much as possible all known sources of error.

Let the Students catch the Big Fish.  Let them shine...

At least one academic institution is taking action.  Will USA or Chinese Government disclose the top secret?

*** The material cost including the DC Power Supply and the Atten DSO was less than HK$5,000.  Many academic institutions already have DC Power Supplies and better DSOs.  The additional material cost of tubes, magnets, coils, resistors etc. to do the experiment would be less than HK$500.  This experiment can verify or confirm COP greater than 1.  It can be a very motivating experiment for the Students.  It may solve the energy and transportation problems of the World...

Should a scientific institution sit and wait for HKU to publish the results?  Or should it do the experiment itself now?

Is it possible for USA or Chinese Governments to suppress such scientific research? 
*****

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MarkE on August 19, 2015, 02:00:18 PM
Sophisticated equipment used improperly yields bogus results.  It's pretty simple:  Fixture carefully and properly, or you might as well not bother to take measurements.  Things like clip leads strewn all around and cement wirewound resistors for current sense easily get fouled by switching edges.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 19, 2015, 11:37:39 PM
Will repulsion of two iron-core coils be the best configuration to detect overunity?

One magnet and one iron-core coil will experience magnetic attraction even with no Current.

Two iron-core coils will have no magnetic attraction with no Current.

May use same circuit to pass same current through both coils...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on August 19, 2015, 11:53:36 PM
Will repulsion of two iron-core coils be the best configuration to detect overunity?

One magnet and one iron-core coil will experience magnetic attraction even with no Current.

Two iron-core coils will have no magnetic attraction with no Current.

May use same circuit to pass same current through both coils...

wondering something,

could a spring or springs made with peizo sensors help reduce the amount of energy needed to create lift inside the chamber?

would the spring placed above make the moving object lift easier while holding back the tension of gravity?

the lower spring helping by using the objects weight to help lift itself during the cycle.

the peizo sensors are just to help feed some of the power back into storage.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 20, 2015, 08:30:17 PM
Will repulsion of two iron-core coils be the best configuration to detect overunity?

One magnet and one iron-core coil will experience magnetic attraction even with no Current.

Two iron-core coils will have no magnetic attraction with no Current.

May use same circuit to pass same current through both coils...

The magnetic strength of the solenoid is dependent on the Current and the number of Turns.  These two parameters can be increased so that the magnetic repulsion will generate high Output Potential Energy mgh.   The Input Electrical Energy does not need to increase very much.  This means the hunt for overunity should focus on thick wire and large number of turns.

I am sure that the Hong Kong University Students will catch the Big Fish - using thick wire, low resistance, high current and huge number of turns...  COP > 1 is achievable.  I look forward to the results.  Some of the Input Electrical Energy is used to align the "tiny magnets" of the iron-core to produce a large magnet.  This is a clear case of leading-out magnetic energy...

The Fish can be so Big (COP so high) that the experimental inaccuracies are not a concern...  Who are the names that shine?  Will other academic institutions wait and watch HKU or will some charge ahead and catch the Big Fish first?

Will China or USA Government disclose the top secret?  Their UFOs are flying...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 21, 2015, 11:28:47 AM
Catch the Big Fish?

It is a matter of patience now...

Some Hong Kong University Students will demonstrate COP > 1 ...   

The Input Electrical Energy will lead-out the magnetic energy of the iron-core.  The resultant energy will be higher Output potential energy.  COP > 1 is a certainty.

Who will produce the proper scientific evidence?

Will China or USA disclose the top secret?

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg50206#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 22, 2015, 04:02:30 AM
I ask for help in
http://overunity.com/5929/winding-a-strong-electromagnet/msg459604/#msg459604

There should be good comments on configuring two iron-core electromagnets for repulsion.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 24, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
http://overunity.com/9316/ufo-propulsion-theory/msg459705/#msg459705

Another thread talking about ufo propulsion theory...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 25, 2015, 08:05:10 AM
Divine Revelation?

Solved the problem of accurate pulsing in the case of circular motion.

I was listening to hymns to relax and get inspiration.

It came.

I shall pause and let others propose solutions and shine.

Hong Kong University is now in a position to prove overunity and to demonstrate the flying saucer.  Mr. Peter Chan may do the demonstration...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 03, 2015, 07:26:12 AM
Research Assistant, Holly, and Mr. Lau at Hong Kong University.  Now the experiment has a home.  The use of one magnet and one coil was not useful as the magnet got attracted to the iron core when there was no current.

Planned to use two iron-core coils.  More research needed...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 04, 2015, 09:47:44 PM
Some hints on building very strong electromagnets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGytW_C6hR8

DIY magnets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F09DCFI-SU

We need electromagnets that can be placed close together for the repulsion.  Some modifications needed...  Use Ferrite rods...  Hole in middle useful to hold pipe to slide up rod...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 06, 2015, 01:57:41 AM
Sample Ferrite-Core Coil Construction.

A Sample Ferrite-Core Coil is shown.  Students can vary the type of Ferrite Rods, the gauge of the wire, the number of turns, the current, the diameter of the hole and ferrite rod ring etc.

The COP will vary.  The construction skills will also be a factor.  Can COP be greater than 1 with appropriate Ferrite Rods?  Who will catch the Big Fish.

Hong Kong University Research Assistants and Students will join the competition.  Who else?

Will China and USA disclose their lead-out energy flying saucer secret...  Will some other Nation move ahead and benefit the World first....
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 06, 2015, 08:51:56 PM
Will Hong Kong become the Mecca of Innovation?

What happens if the many Universities in Hong Kong join in the competition of the two coil repulsion?

What happens if COP is found to be greater than 1?

What happens if the Hong Kong Government funds a Worldwide Competition?

What happens if the Hong Kong Media takes on the story?

Will the first civilian lead-out energy flying saucer take off in Hong Kong with full TV coverage?

Will Hong Kong become the Mecca of Innovation...

May the late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin rest in peace...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on September 06, 2015, 09:30:40 PM
Will Hong Kong become the Mecca of Innovation?

What happens if the many Universities in Hong Kong join in the competition of the two coil repulsion?


What happens if the Hong Kong Government funds a Worldwide Competition?


what happens if local community centers had science labs although not as well equipped as the many universities?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 08, 2015, 01:11:45 AM
what happens if local community centers had science labs although not as well equipped as the many universities?

Do local community centers have qualified staff to supervise?  Will there be any "screening" of the participants?  Experiments have their "dangers".  What will happen to the Insurance Premiums?

Let the individuals and organizations with the proper resources take on the responsibility...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 09, 2015, 01:06:27 AM
The presentation as of Sept 9, 2015.

Spent some time at the Senior Center showing the information on the Internet.  One comment was:

"Use the Internet well.  It is free.  Do not carry the information to your grave.  At our age, everyday is a blessing and a bonus.  Use it well."

Another comment:

"I cannot full comprehend the information.  But there are others more qualified than me who may understand.  My grandson is a good example.  Please put him on the email list."

The latest presentation file is attached.  You are welcome to share it with others...

Divine wine is to be shared.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 14, 2015, 12:19:41 AM
How would the new paradigm change the World?

The new paradigm promises abundant, non-polluting energy and unlimited transportation.  How would the present order of society be affected?

This must be answered before the technology gets rolled out.  This may be one of the reasons that China and USA are keeping the lead-out energy flying saucer top secret.

The technology is known.  Flying saucers are hovering all over the planet.  The visionaries must play the what-if scenario before the ugly and heartless Politicians.  The technology must be used for the Good.  It must not be controlled by the Evil...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: T-1000 on September 15, 2015, 05:33:24 PM
Supporting information:
http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/
http://searlsolution.com/technology3.html

This stuff is usually ignored by most but for open minds it have huge value..
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 16, 2015, 11:01:20 AM


The third design of the two Ferrite-rod Core Coils.

This design has the advantage of simple construction.  Instead of a hole and a guide rod in the middle, two or three holes and guide rods are placed outside.  The Ferrite-rod Core can be easily and tightly wound by the copper coil.  The triangular plate can be thin and glued onto the Ferrite Rod or Rod bundle.

The suggested dimensions are:
1. Ferrite-rod core diameter   5 cm
2. Length of triangle   20 cm
3. Diameter of copper wire   2 mm
4. Number of turns of wire    1,000
5. Height of Cylinder   5 cm
6. Width of triangular plate  2 mm
7. Size of Guide Hole   1.5 cm
8. Diameter of Guide Rod  1.3 cm
9. Length of each Guide Rod  1 m
10. Voltage of DC Current can vary from 1 to 30 Volts (adjustable)

The above suggestion can be modified depending on the material available.

Lawrence Tseung
See http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 16, 2015, 09:31:52 PM
Fifth design of the Ferrite-rod core Coil.

One approach is to pass the responsibility to "experts" and wait.

Another approach is to discuss amongst non-experts and see if the Chinese Saying works.
"Discussions amongst three lowly, smelly workers can come up with ideas better than the most learned person."

Lawrence Tseung
See http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 16, 2015, 09:53:09 PM
Supporting information:
http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/
http://searlsolution.com/technology3.html

This stuff is usually ignored by most but for open minds it have huge value..

Thank you for the supporting information.

We still like the idea of Professor Dennis Leung of Hong Kong University.  Do the simple experiments that every University can reproduce.  Get the students stimulated and compete.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 19, 2015, 01:15:29 AM
Fifth design of the Ferrite-rod core Coil.

One approach is to pass the responsibility to "experts" and wait.

Another approach is to discuss amongst non-experts and see if the Chinese Saying works.
"Discussions amongst three lowly, smelly workers can come up with ideas better than the most learned person."

Lawrence Tseung
See http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962

One suggestion from the 'three lowly, smelly workers" is to use a solid ferrite rod.  Bundle of ferrite rods was suggested because of it's reduction of eddy currents.  In our case, we use DC Pulse Current.  The eddy current factor would be minor.

If Ferrite rod were expensive and difficult to get, can we use the soft-iron rods from the many hardware supply stores?  All we need at this stage is to prove COP > 1.  Will such an iron-core coil using the 5th design do it?  Diagrams and suggested dimension are available in reply 100 and 101.

*** The Open Development approach is to disclose the idea and stimulate those with proper resources.  Share the Divine Wine...

When will USA and/or Chinese Governments disclose the top secret?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 20, 2015, 01:31:43 AM
Please review and comment on the document in:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962

This word document will be "mass emailed" shortly.  The whole World will benefit - not just a few individuals, organizations or nations...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: John.K1 on September 20, 2015, 02:20:04 PM
Hi Itseung,
To be honest I do not understand what is so special about repulsion of two coils on common Iron core.  Not sure how this design can be  COP> 1  considering all the losses and resistances in the system. Let me to ask you - What is the Gravity?   If we want to make an anti gravity effect , we need to understand what the gravity is about?
Some people says the gravity is the effect of a pressure of dark mater on the mater . Bigger solid "shields" or "reduce" the pressure from its   side, casing the things to be pushed to its surface from the "un-shielded" side. 

I agree with what you say in the document - how to bring the energy from the environment. And I hing that's exactly what we all are trying to achieve.  The problem is the systems we are talking about, are non linear. It means it is very hard to find "optimal" conditions to get the results. Also people is very much focused on symmetrical system. In my opinion we should concentrate on how to imbalance the environment with as little input energy as possible and gather the energy from the nature of environment - to go back in to the balance .


Regards,
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 20, 2015, 03:13:31 PM
Hi Itseung,
To be honest I do not understand what is so special about repulsion of two coils on common Iron core.  Not sure how this design can be  COP> 1  considering all the losses and resistances in the system. Let me to ask you - What is the Gravity?   If we want to make an anti gravity effect , we need to understand what the gravity is about?
Some people says the gravity is the effect of a pressure of dark mater on the mater . Bigger solid "shields" or "reduce" the pressure from its   side, casing the things to be pushed to its surface from the "un-shielded" side. 

I agree with what you say in the document - how to bring the energy from the environment. And I hing that's exactly what we all are trying to achieve.  The problem is the systems we are talking about, are non linear. It means it is very hard to find "optimal" conditions to get the results. Also people is very much focused on symmetrical system. In my opinion we should concentrate on how to imbalance the environment with as little input energy as possible and gather the energy from the nature of environment - to go back in to the balance .


Regards,
1. Two air core coils can repel each other.  The Output Potential Energy (mgh) of the jump up coil is usually larger than the Input Electrical Energy (pulsed DC).  The COP is less than 1.
2. When we use iron core coils, the magnetic field strength can be 2,000 times stronger than air core coils.  The possibility of COP > 1 is there.
3.  One way of increasing the magnetic field strength is more number of turns.  Thus two ferrite core coils with many turns (say 1,000 each) will likely get us into the COP > 1 range.
4.  The scientific explanation of why ferrite core coils produce so much electromagnetic force is that the ferrite material consists of tiny magnets.  When there is no current, these tiny magnets are aligned randomly. When there is DC current, these tiny magnets align to provide a much stronger magnet.
5.  This is the concept of lead-out energy.  A small input energy brings in more energy from the environment...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 20, 2015, 08:47:53 PM
The suggested dimensions in reply 100 are changed as follows:

Old suggestion:

The suggested dimensions are:
1. Ferrite-rod core diameter   5 cm
2. Length of triangle   20 cm
3. Diameter of copper wire   2 mm
4. Number of turns of wire    1,000
5. Height of Cylinder   5 cm
6. Width of triangular plate  2 mm
7. Size of Guide Hole   1.5 cm
8. Diameter of Guide Rod  1.3 cm
9. Length of each Guide Rod  1 m
10. Voltage of DC Current can vary from 1 to 30 Volts (adjustable)

New Suggestion:

The suggested dimensions are:
1. Ferrite-rod core diameter   5 cm
2. Dimension of rectangular plate   24 x 30 cm
3. Diameter of copper wire   2 mm
4. Number of turns of wire    1,000
5. Height of Cylinder   7.5 cm
6. Thickness of rectangular plate  2 mm
7. Size of Guide Hole   1.5 cm  in diameter Center of Hole 2 cm from edge
8. Diameter of Guide Rod  1.3 cm
9. Length of each Guide Rod  1 m (2 needed)
10. Voltage of DC Current can vary from 1 to 30 Volts (adjustable)
11. A wooden board of diameter 30x24x2cm is needed for the base

The changes in dimensions are due to:
1. Use of two Guide Rods rather than three
2. Final shape cut from a rectangular plate
3. Some room left for the non-perfect tightness of winding.  7.5 cm length allows for 37.5 turns of 2 mm wire(perfect case).  We now assume 33 turns.  We allow the number of layers to be 33 giving 1089 turns.
4. The width of the rectangular plate is 24 cm.  That should be sufficient for 5 cm of ferrite rod + 7.5x2 cm of coil space with 2 cm on each side as spare.
5. The length of the rectangular plate is 30 cm.  That should allow enough space to drill the Guide Holes.
6. The cutting away of the triangular pieces to produce the figure in reply 101 is optional and is for reduction of unnecessary weight and looks.

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 21, 2015, 10:14:13 PM
The three lowly, smelly workers were at work again.  Another idea came up.

Two separate experiments will be compared.
Case 1 uses two air coils.
Case 2 uses one air coil on top of a Ferrite core coil.

In Case 2, the air coil is expected to jump many times higher with approximately the same Input Electrical Energy...

Both design 5 and design 6 experiments should be done.

*** I expected such experiments have been done by the USA and Chinese Military Research Institutes.  If not, they can do it easily.  Other Nations or Universities can do it too.  If COP is found to be greater than 1, lead-out energy will be accepted.  The New Paradigm begins...

*** Can the USA and Chinese Governments still keep the top secret???

Lawrence
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 22, 2015, 03:20:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yPwi-jC9lI&index=25&list=PL65685704949FE0D6

Some soothing music...

The progress of the World will not stop.  After the electric light, no one will go back to candles.  After the Internet, no one will go back to telegraphs.

Once lead-out energy flying saucers is understood, no one will travel on airplanes...  The young and coming scientists and engineers will overcome the road blocks,  Some will do the experiments and succeed...

It is a matter of progress and time.

*** One Interesting comment at a Nursing Home:
Person A: "Doctor, if the patient cannot be cured, what is the point of prolonging his life and suffering.  The family suffers too."
Doctor: "My training and my job is to keep the patient live as long as possible."
Person A: "But the patient is old.  He is of no use to society any more.  He is a burden.  He needs someone to feed, wash and clean him.  What is the point of prolonging his life and his suffering?"
Doctor: "That is a moral question.  He and the family can legally refuse life-support systems.  But if he comes to the clinic or hospital, it is my duty to prolong his life."
Person B: "He or his family can refuse clinic or hospital care.  He can choose to pass his remaining years at home."
Person A: "That is not possible.  He needs someone to feed, wash and clean him.  The burden on the family will be too great."
Person C: "Long life is no longer a blessing..."
***

When one has something to say, to do or to share, TAKE ACTION.  That something may not be perfect (or even correct).  But trust the Almighty and TAKE ACTION.  Sow seeds and some will fall on fertile soil...

China and USA governments will not be able to keep the top secret for long...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 24, 2015, 09:31:15 PM
The three lowly, smelly workers again.
 
The force due to circular motion is m*v*v/R.  Is it possible to vary R?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 25, 2015, 04:30:32 AM
The three lowly, smelly workers again.
 
The force due to circular motion is m*v*v/R.  Is it possible to vary R?


Yes.  There can be many design variations.  One is having the magnet at the end of an extensible rod pushing on smaller R on top.  That would also provide net thrust towards top.


Anti-gravity can be this simple...


China and USA Military Establishments should have no problem designing and building UFOs.  When will they disclose the top secret?  Are they waiting for some other Nation to announce it first???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 27, 2015, 01:49:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkzhQ3hyHEo&index=25&list=PL65685704949FE0D6

Soothing Music.

It is the Mid-Autumn Festival in China.  The Festival has the famous story of the Moon.  Humans already landed on the Moon.  Before too long, many lead-out energy flying saucers made in China, USA or XXX will land there.

Men have acquired the knowledge and the technology to provide material comfort to every human being.  Why are there still wars, suffering and hatred???


Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 28, 2015, 12:29:27 AM
The three lowly, smelly workers were at work again.

50 hand wound turns on 5cm outer diameter spool using 1.2V battery failed to attract paper clips.

Looking for large, appropriate spools...

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 28, 2015, 11:38:12 PM
The three lowly, smelly workers were at work again.

50 hand wound turns on 5cm outer diameter spool using 1.2V battery failed to attract paper clips.

Looking for large, appropriate spools...

200 hand wound turns on 2cm tube using 15V DC power supply attracted paper clips.

Such experiments helped to identify the range of equipment needed.  The recommendation of using 1,000 turns made sense if we want to catch the big fish...

Who will be the one to catch the big fish - video showing full set up? 

*** I am sure that Chinese and USA Military Establishments have resources to do such experiments and beyond...

Lawrence
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 29, 2015, 11:23:20 AM
Prayer at the Fishing Pond.

"Lord, Please guide me.  Hold my hand."

"Do one experiment showing COP > 1.  People would not follow suggestions on the Internet.  Some wound 50 turns, did not detect significant magnetism and claimed failure.  Some wound 500 turns, said that it was the limit.  COP close to 1.  They just would not follow suggestion of 1,000 turns.  Many were not flexible - such as using smaller and lighter coil 1 to achieve higher jumping height."

*** Chinese and USA Military Establishments have done much better but the information is top secret.  Individuals and organizations using limited resources would take short cuts...

*** Shall try to use limited retirement resources to catch a big fish...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: massive on September 30, 2015, 09:30:40 AM
5.  This is the concept of lead-out energy.  A small input energy brings in more energy from the environment...

what about flyback transformer technology where a diode is included with 2 coils on 1 core  , to repel a 3rd coil on another core.

when input is switched off on 1st coil the 2nd coil has higher V induced

just a thought....
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 05, 2015, 08:32:09 AM
design 8


Looking for experimenter...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 06, 2015, 01:32:29 PM
Updated Info.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 08, 2015, 06:59:27 PM
Submitted the information to mufon.com case number 71264.

That group will be interested in a scientific explanation of the UFO design.

Sow seeds...

http://bufora.org.uk/rvthankform_5db3e7135c600abecc33fd7b557eca45.php
ufoprsa@optusnet.com.au
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFO_organizations



Lawrence Tseung
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 09, 2015, 12:47:26 AM
Energy Times Newsletter <info@emediapress.com>

To  Lawrence Tseung
 

 Oct 8 at 2:18 PM


TOPICS •ELECTROLYZED SALT WATER ELIMINATES CHEMICALS ON CROPS
•MAGNETOELASTIC ENERGY SOURCE
•OVERUNITY MECHANICAL OSCILLATOR - FREE VIDEO
•ADVANCED SEISMIC WARNING SYSTEM UPDATE - FREE VIDEO
•TESLA RESONANT TRANSFORMER VIDEO
•TESLA CHARGER EX VIDEO

Hi Lawrence,

 All the conference videos have finally been released except for Paul Babcock's Ethanol is Freedom presentation. We'll be making some more videos so it is a more comprehensive package and will release that when finished. There are a LOT of projects going on right now, especially at EPD Laboratories with Eric Dollard. Below we have a link to a free video presentation where he walks you through the photos of the latest work on the Alexanderson Transmission Structure. EPD Laboratories is on track to be able to demonstrate that the system can receive Earth signals from the ground by the beginning of December. And here are a few other updates and articles of interest...

ELECTROLYZED SALT WATER ELIMINATES CHEMICALS ON CROPS

 We have known about the benefits of electrolyzed salt water and here are details from Tasmania show how it eliminates chemicals on crops. This also is yet another scientifically documented fact that shows the skeptics that electrolyzed salt water is no longer salt water since the hydrogen, oxygen, sodium and chlorine have been separated and are reattached into different molecules such as ozone, hydrogen peroxide, etc... Details here: http://emediapress.com/2015/10/07/electrolyzed-salt-water-eliminates-chemicals-on-crops/

MAGNETOELASTIC ENERGY SOURCE

 Imagine hitting a piece of metal and causing it to create a magnetic field, which can produce electricity. Or, putting a magnetic field on a piece of metal causes it to bend. Well, that is exactly what the Navy developed about 20 years ago and here are the details: http://emediapress.com/2015/10/08/iron-gallium-magnetoelastic-energy-source/

OVERUNITY MECHANICAL OSCILLATOR

 You may already know about Veljko Milkovic's work with overunity mechanical amplifiers but if not, here is a real free energy machine that uses gravity as an energy source. This has been around for years now and the documentation is simply growing beyond belief. Watch the free video here, which was given to us to show at the 2015 Energy Science & Technology Conference: http://emediapress.com/2015/10/08/veljko-milkovics-2-stage-mechanical-oscillator/

ADVANCED SEISMIC WARNING SYSTEM UPDATE

 Many people are aware of Eric Dollard's Advanced Seismic Warning System project, but are not aware of the fact that this appears to be the largest scale Tesla science experiment on the planet. It isn't just for predicting earthquakes, it demonstrates Tesla and Alexanderson's methods of transmitting energy extraluminally with virtually no loss. You can see the latest work out in the desert done by Eric Dollard and Justin Miller of EPD Laboratories, Inc. Watch the video here: http://ericpdollard.com/2015/09/29/springtime-work-effort-on-a52-e-with-eric-dollard/

TESLA RESONANT TRANSFORMER VIDEO

 Recently, we recorded a presentation by Eric Dollard that teaches you how to calculate the windings on a Tesla Resonant Transformer. It is probably the easiest tutorial that you will ever see on the subject. It is intended to be used for the Crystal Radio Project but has countless uses. You will learn to build a Tesla Resonant Transformer at any scale, which is built to the EXACT proportions of Tesla's own Magnifying Transmitter! We will be releasing this video soon - the tentative date is October 13th (next Tuesday) so keep an eye out. It will be at a low price of just $7, which is needed to reimburse Eric's travel costs, which came out of his Social Security money. It will eventually be a free video, but for now, we do need to help EPD Laboratories raise some funds. We also worked on quite a few other things while he was up here in Spokane.

 Other EPD Laboratories updates - Versor Algebra II was updated and that is available on the download page if you purchased a copy. We have all the notes and are starting to compile the books for Eric's presentation Extraluminal Transmission Systems of Tesla and Alexanderson. The first book is actually from notebooks 4 & 5 of 5 total notebooks for this project. It will focus strictly on J.J. Thomson and will go deeper than Eric did in his Power of Aether presentation. The second book will be notebooks 1 to 3 and will cover the rest. The last notebooks will be released as a book first because there is a growing demand for more understanding of J.J. Thomson's work and Eric has made it more clear than anyone else in history. We also have the final edit for Lone Pine Writings Part 1 and are now formatting it for a 6x9 paperback, which will be available on Amazon in the near future - so stay tuned!

TESLA CHARGER EX VIDEO

 We have been asked quite a few times what is the difference with the new EX models of Bedini's solar charge controllers. This page has a simple video that shows how it pushes the batteries to the top and then lets it settle for 6 seconds until pushing it up again. It also happens to be 99.5%+ efficient according to our bench tests so it gets more electricity to the batteries from the solar panels than any other controllers in the world. See the video here - they're also still available at 20% off: http://teslachargers.com/products/solar-charge-controllers/solar-10-amp-12-volt-lead-acid/

 Sincerely,
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 09, 2015, 01:23:50 AM
UFO sighting in Hong Kong.

There are many UFO researchers and believers in Hong Kong.  Can this be one of the man-made UFOs?

The technology is within the capability of the Chinese...

A workable design has been posted here...

When will the Chinese and USA Military release the top secret - the lead-out energy flying saucer?  Will they wait for someone else to disclose it first?


Lawrence Tseung
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg51962#msg51962
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on October 09, 2015, 10:02:51 AM
Hey sir, have you thought about this type of propulsion combine with magnetism http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhqahh_laser-beam-powered-propulsion-spacecraft-lightcraft_tech

Check out how the laser light explodes like plasma in this picture https://i.imgur.com/jYRkUUM.png which makes you think about the plasma in the universe.

Keep up the good work sir.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 09, 2015, 09:54:31 PM
Hey sir, have you thought about this type of propulsion combine with magnetism http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhqahh_laser-beam-powered-propulsion-spacecraft-lightcraft_tech

Check out how the laser light explodes like plasma in this picture https://i.imgur.com/jYRkUUM.png which makes you think about the plasma in the universe.

Keep up the good work sir.

Thank you for the interesting information.

I firmly believe many UFOs are man made.  The technology is kept top secret for fear of an unexplored paradigm.  With lead-out energy flying saucers, what would happen to Nations and National Boundaries?  What would happen to "Wealth of Nations"?

I believe that the Internet has brought knowledge to the masses - any person can present his idea to the rest of the World.  Much of the known technology can be applied to the developing Nations - speeding up their development.  When every Nation and individual enjoys the fruits of good food, clothing, transport, medical care, education etc., the temptation to risk such comfort and risk destructive wars will be much lower.

Disclosing the top secret to the World (against the wishes of some Military Thinkers in China and USA) may be a good thing...  Those in authority may not be right all the time...  We have access to much information.

*** This website has information that is worth looking into.
http://www.billionsinchange.com/film
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on October 10, 2015, 04:47:41 AM
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I firmly believe many UFOs are man made.  The technology is kept top secret for fear of an unexplored paradigm.  With lead-out energy flying saucers, what would happen to Nations and National Boundaries?  What would happen to "Wealth of Nations"?

Yes I agree since it is a rule of “knowledge”. The cave men did not have computers and now we can go to the moon physically and send proves to Pluto. But if we understand how “knowledge” is born from the “fishing” for fish, we can understand that the “knowledge” of understanding such knowledge must come from outer space. With out dueling in “theories”, the rule of thumb is that we are learning from the “outside” = outsiders perspective. So we have an accumulation of 50% more outer space UFO's and less than 50% man made UFO's… where the teachers of UFO technology has to come from outer space knowledge.

Regarding that keeping it secret to the general public is makes sense too. Just like the armies never show their schematics of their weapons so the opponent cannot have an “upper hand”...for example, no one knows right know how the drones work 100%. we may have a clue by looking to the past of how radar works and laser communication, but we don't know 100% what is happening 'behind closed doors' exactly and I’m sure most of the UFO type aircraft flights are done during the night or when it is very cloudy (hide behind the night/clouds).

So yes I agree, the army has many many undisclosed UFO's that can change the economy of this world. It's only a matter of time to get disclosed by those who understand these things.

Quote
believe that the Internet has brought knowledge to the masses - any person can present his idea to the rest of the World.  Much of the known technology can be applied to the developing Nations - speeding up their development.  When every Nation and individual enjoys the fruits of good food, clothing, transport, medical care, education etc., the temptation to risk such comfort and risk destructive wars will be much lower.

True the GREEDY side of things is that the neurons change in the mind of the money hungry. It is corruption-corrupts-absolutely where the human being tasting the drug of money cannot have enough where it becomes and addiction to control the people out of their money not for developing their minds NOR helping the earth survive BUT to make money and enjoy seeing how people suffer. This is a thing that no psychology teacher will tell you….the GREEDY are sick people with no heart!

Quote
Disclosing the top secret to the World (against the wishes of some Military Thinkers in China and USA) may be a good thing...  Those in authority may not be right all the time...  We have access to much information.

Yes and they are countering with neutralizing the FREEDOM of speech on the internet by getting the internet very very restricted pretty soon. The internet is a gold mine of information and an acumulation of many upon many intelligent people that are not corrupted. They now want to control the internet so you cannot express your FREEDOM of speech. Once the internet is “filtered” there would be very very few speaking their knowledge. Only that what the internet moderators allow.

At any rate, I hope everything works out good for everyone and support the FREEDOM of knowledge since that is how we learn = from each other and teaching the kids.

I will read that website when I have time thanks.

Keep on teaching kids/people how to fish. :)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 10, 2015, 09:02:30 AM
Yes I agree since it is a rule of “knowledge”. The cave men did not have computers and now we can go to the moon physically and send proves to Pluto. But if we understand how “knowledge” is born from the “fishing” for fish, we can understand that the “knowledge” of understanding such knowledge must come from outer space. With out dueling in “theories”, the rule of thumb is that we are learning from the “outside” = outsiders perspective. So we have an accumulation of 50% more outer space UFO's and less than 50% man made UFO's… where the teachers of UFO technology has to come from outer space knowledge.

Regarding that keeping it secret to the general public is makes sense too. Just like the armies never show their schematics of their weapons so the opponent cannot have an “upper hand”...for example, no one knows right know how the drones work 100%. we may have a clue by looking to the past of how radar works and laser communication, but we don't know 100% what is happening 'behind closed doors' exactly and I’m sure most of the UFO type aircraft flights are done during the night or when it is very cloudy (hide behind the night/clouds).

So yes I agree, the army has many many undisclosed UFO's that can change the economy of this world. It's only a matter of time to get disclosed by those who understand these things.

True the GREEDY side of things is that the neurons change in the mind of the money hungry. It is corruption-corrupts-absolutely where the human being tasting the drug of money cannot have enough where it becomes and addiction to control the people out of their money not for developing their minds NOR helping the earth survive BUT to make money and enjoy seeing how people suffer. This is a thing that no psychology teacher will tell you….the GREEDY are sick people with no heart!

Yes and they are countering with neutralizing the FREEDOM of speech on the internet by getting the internet very very restricted pretty soon. The internet is a gold mine of information and an acumulation of many upon many intelligent people that are not corrupted. They now want to control the internet so you cannot express your FREEDOM of speech. Once the internet is “filtered” there would be very very few speaking their knowledge. Only that what the internet moderators allow.

At any rate, I hope everything works out good for everyone and support the FREEDOM of knowledge since that is how we learn = from each other and teaching the kids.

I will read that website when I have time thanks.

Keep on teaching kids/people how to fish. :)

Joel:  You keep talking about greedy.  Did you ever stop to think what would happen if there were no rewards for pushing our technology forward?
If not for that reward, we would still be rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Please get real man.

Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 10, 2015, 03:57:53 PM
Joel:  You keep talking about greedy.  Did you ever stop to think what would happen if there were no rewards for pushing our technology forward?
If not for that reward, we would still be rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Please get real man.

Bill

The World has progressed.  Wealth is no longer land, resources and population.  Modern Wealth is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Such activities can be increased to infinity - just like numbers.  We need to redefine our collective value systems.

China made a big change in its value system - one child family.  That allowed the increased wealth to be spread amongst fewer number of citizens.  The increase in standard of living in the last few decades has become the fastest in human history...

The old concept of greed was to take things from others.  The new concept is to increase Modern Wealth and take more share from the increased pie...

The forum in here is even better - knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will have.  I have posted much but I have gained more...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 12, 2015, 08:13:18 PM
Can the lead-out energy flying saucer be the weapon that can wipe out all known weapons?
1.   It does not require fuel.
2.   It can made very sharp turns. The path is unpredictable.
3.   It can move to outer space and then come down at speeds no missiles can match.
4.   It can carry nuclear bombs.
5.   The weapons that might destroy it may be the laser beams.
6.   But it may have the stealth technology making it almost impossible to track.
7.   The first wave of attack will disrupt almost all electronic communications making radar ineffective.
8.   If more than one Nation have such weapons, war means the end of the human race.

There are man-made UFOs flying already.   Have they reached weapon grade?
If the basic theory is centrifugal force (King David Sling technology) plus lead-out energy, how many Nations are capable of developing it?
Do USA and China have the scientists and engineers to develop such a weapon?  Have they developed it already?

What is more meaningful?  Keep quiet or disclose such a technology?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 13, 2015, 10:25:13 AM
Bob Lazar Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VWmNm6J09M

Discussing the above youtube video with Scientist X.

Bob Lazar said that he was hired to work on Project Galileo in 1989 for about 6 month to reverse engineer a UFO in Area S4. 
At 9:20 time interval, Bob mentioned that the UFO came from a Binary Star.
At 10:27, there was a fight between Aliens and Security Personnel with death to many Security Personnel.
At 15:16, there was mention of gravity wave.
At 23:10, there was talk of gravity distorts space and time.
At 25:45, there was talk of element 115 that acts as fuel to the UFO.

Scientist X: “One possible explanation was that the USA Government was sending misleading information to confuse.  I think your explanation of King David Sling Technology is easier to accept.”

Tseung: “Thank you.  Please elaborate.”

Scientist X: “The moment one mentions that gravity waves distort space and time, one enters the unknown.  There are speculations and no solid science.”

Tseung: “How about Element 115?”

Scientist X: “Another speculation.”

Tseung: “What is your recommendation?”

Scientist X: “Stick to your lead-out energy flying saucer theory and let some qualified groups do more research and development.”

Tseung: "Do you think the USA and Chinese Governments have already developed something similar?"

Scientist X: "Possible but at this point, it is just speculation.  I do not rule out UFO sightings but I do not risk my career on it."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 16, 2015, 08:26:18 PM
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/electromagnet-12v

The electromagnets are designed for lifting.  But they can be used for our repulsion experiment.  The cost is a few to tens of US dollars.  We may need to build the jumping part...

Open discussion and development has its virtues...

*** Meaningful Economic Activities.  Now almost every organization with DSO can do the electromagnet repulsion experiment.  Who will configure it appropriately first and publish the results  (COP > 1)?  The results can be easily verified. 

Can China and USA keep their top secret?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 18, 2015, 08:03:55 PM
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/round-holding-electromagnet-JSP-3022-12V_1475984387.html

The attached is an electromagnet manufactured in China.  Shall contact this company and other similar ones to get more information.

If a relationship can be developed, the experiment may be enhanced.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 20, 2015, 08:18:16 PM
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/johnson.htm

A person sent me this link.

One of the pictures has the element of an unbalanced wheel - a rotating arm in a wheel with magnets?

I still like the diagram in reply 1 - the lead-out energy flying saucer better.
http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg454951/#msg454951

Graduating from kindergarten in this case means not to believe or waste energy on all suggestions...  Studying Patrick Kelly's Book would have taken years...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 24, 2015, 01:04:36 AM
The two important aspects of UFO propulsion are:

1.  Varying circular motion produces changing centrifugal force.  The difference in centrifugal force provides the net thrust in the appropriate direction.  Multiple UFO engines allow hovering, sharp turns, going into outer space etc.

2.  Leading out of energy from the surrounding.  One form of energy is the gravitational energy that is available anywhere in space.  A horizontally pulsed pendulum will increase the tension of the string.  The vertical component of the tension will raise the pendulum bob and thus lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy.  The Milkovic two stage pendulum uses the pendulum swing to raise the weight to bring-in gravitational energy.  When the pendulum swings, the largest downward force is produced when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position - highest centrifugal force.  The weight is lifted at this point with no loss of momentum of the swing.

If gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in, magnetic or electromagnetic energy can be brought-in via magnetic pendulums in magnetic fields.  Electromagnets orientate the tiny magnets (dipoles) of the iron core to produce suddenly large magnetic fields.  A pulsing DC current acts similar to pulsing a pendulum.  Magnetic or electromagnetic energy is brought-in.  The brought-in energy is then replenished by the surrounding electromagnetic energy that is always available.

Both gravitational and electromagnetic energy are available in space.  Some positions carry more.  This is one possible scientific explanation of the propulsion of the UFO engine...

Both China and USA have developed UFOs...  One possible design is outlined in reply 1 of this thread.  The technology is within the capability of many Nations.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 28, 2015, 01:16:04 AM
At a meeting with old friends.

"What are Meaningful Economic Activities for retired persons like us?"

The answered varied.  Some examples were:
1.  Enjoy the grand children.
2.  Help the underprivileged.  If you are still warm, shine your light.
3.  Enjoy the wine and the travelling.  Do not wait.  Sitting on the wheel chair with no teeth is no fun.
4.  Share your experience with the young. Hope they will make less mistakes. 
5.  The world keeps progressing.  We did not have computers, Internet and iphones when we grew up.  Let the young take on the responsibility.
6.  There are old values to keep.  There are moral values that need to be re-examined.  One example is the result of China's one child family.  There will be 115 men to 100 women.  Should we allow one woman to have more than one husband?
7.  What is Meaningful at one time may not be meaningful now.  For example, it was meaningful to save as much as possible for the rainy day.  Now the concept is to spend to keep the economy growing.  Governments should pump out more money at down times to stimulate the economy.
8.  There is no point in keeping some technology top secret to have military dominance.  The right path is win-win. 
9.  Let many people define what they believe as Meaningful.  The extreme ones are unlikely to get support.  The way to prevent wars is to listen to each other and share the new wealth - quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.

Will China and USA disclose their UFO secrets?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on October 28, 2015, 05:48:20 AM
...
Will China and USA disclose their UFO secrets?
Nope. Only when they have a new war toy to show off.

I applaud your efforts to research the lead out energy. Just read that global warming will push some temperatures in the Persian Gulf beyond human tolerance levels by 2100. I wish such energy efforts would help but I'm afraid if we had cleaner energy alternatives we would simply consume it all up as well. Without population control, we are like locusts to this planet and its other inhabitants.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 28, 2015, 12:07:11 PM
Nope. Only when they have a new war toy to show off.

I applaud your efforts to research the lead out energy. Just read that global warming will push some temperatures in the Persian Gulf beyond human tolerance levels by 2100. I wish such energy efforts would help but I'm afraid if we had cleaner energy alternatives we would simply consume it all up as well. Without population control, we are like locusts to this planet and its other inhabitants.

I agree with your statement on population control.  China is unlikely to have its rapid economic development without the one child policy.  I came from a family of eight children.  The young ones wore the clothes of the old ones...

One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is to use Energy more efficiently.  The US model of cars with one driver driving on highways may not be meaningful...

I have the gut feel that the lead-out energy flying saucer will come out from a totally unexpected Nation first.  The experiments can be done by almost any Nation. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 28, 2015, 12:31:02 PM
What are the likely actions from the USA or Chinese Governments to keep the technology a top secret?
1.   Discredit the inventors or researchers
2.   Send in investors or helpers to sabotage
3.   Use National Security as excuse to stop the Research and Development
4.   Hire the inventors or researchers into top secret military institutes
5.   Silence the Inventors including murder
6.     Post false information on the Internet.  Turn the research into a mockery
7.     Send in the debunkers to get the inventors upset
8.     Use scientific roadblocks such as Law of Conservation of Energy

But if the theory is as simple as outlined in reply 1 of this thread, almost any Nation can develop it.  It was like the Internet forty years ago.  Many scientists and engineers could see the potential.  But it required much resources to develop it…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 28, 2015, 07:05:04 PM
What are the likely actions from the USA or Chinese Governments to keep the technology a top secret?
1.   Discredit the inventors or researchers
2.   Send in investors or helpers to sabotage
3.   Use National Security as excuse to stop the Research and Development
4.   Hire the inventors or researchers into top secret military institutes
5.   Silence the Inventors including murder
6.     Post false information on the Internet.  Turn the research into a mockery
7.     Send in the debunkers to get the inventors upset
8.     Use scientific roadblocks such as Law of Conservation of Energy

But if the theory is as simple as outlined in reply 1 of this thread, almost any Nation can develop it.  It was like the Internet forty years ago.  Many scientists and engineers could see the potential.  But it required much resources to develop it…

What actions can the Inventors or Researchers take?

1.  Give up
2.  Develop the technology outside USA or China (and their sphere of influence)
3.  Get sufficient resources and develop in secret with support from a friendly government
4.  Open source and continue development on forums such as this one
5.  Have the conviction that scientific truth and progress cannot be stopped
6.  Remove the scientific roadblocks with simple proof of concept experiments
7.  Some will focus on documenting information including false ones
8.  Support each other via conferences etc., knowing that there will be sabotage

My gut feel is that some governments will take on such research (some may be doing it now).  The announcement and demonstration will arouse so much interest that the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer will be impossible to block...

We may need to change some mindsets at the same time.  Some such mindsets include:
1.  A Nation must maintain Military Dominance
2   Some races are superior
3.  The Bible predicts Nuclear Wars and the end of the World
4.  The status Quote must be maintained at all costs for sake of World Stability
5.  The established scientific knowledge and theories are sacred and cannot be wrong.  There cannot be different explanations such as lead-out energy.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on October 29, 2015, 07:07:09 AM
I agree with your statement on population control.  China is unlikely to have its rapid economic development without the one child policy.  I came from a family of eight children.  The young ones wore the clothes of the old ones...
And they were harshly criticized for that policy. I was against it also until I really started to see how bad the picture is turning out to be. I read we are already past the breaking point with the worlds population. If we removed a billion people, there would still be to many to stop global warming at its current rate. Humans don't like change so we end up reacting to slowly. What is taking place right now with global warming and the fresh water shortage, in geologic time, is faster than the blink of an eye.

One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is to use Energy more efficiently.  The US model of cars with one driver driving on highways may not be meaningful...
I agree. It's very inefficient. Along with population control we also need vehicle control. A three person house hold may have to do with just two cars, god forbid they use public transportation to get it down to just one car. Soon every city will be like San Francisco or New York where you have no choice but to take public transportation because there are so many people around. I just saw a house in my neighborhood with gallons and gallons of water running down the street off of their soaking lawn as if we aren't in the worst drought ever. People won't change unless forced to and they resist those changes until it's to late.

I have the gut feel that the lead-out energy flying saucer will come out from a totally unexpected Nation first.  The experiments can be done by almost any Nation.
Perhaps India or somewhere. Elon Musk knows this rock is doomed so he'll use it to get to Mars if he can.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 29, 2015, 09:33:58 PM
One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is tolerance.


Hong Kong is an International City with many tourists.  They bring their culture and customs.  Some of these may be different from accepted Chinese customs.


What needs to be accepted?  What needs to be tolerated?  What needs to be rejected?


What can be improved? 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 01, 2015, 01:33:31 AM
One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is tolerance.


Hong Kong is an International City with many tourists.  They bring their culture and customs.  Some of these may be different from accepted Chinese customs.


What needs to be accepted?  What needs to be tolerated?  What needs to be rejected?


What can be improved?


Is it meaningful to accept:
1.  Actions that do not harm others such as guy rights, political demonstrations that block streets, fake handbags, watches, etc.
2.  Actions that will delay or block infrastructure development that will benefit the majority - such as preventing development of new towns, new roads, etc.
3.  Actions that will limit the development potential of others such as limiting the opportunities of the domestic helpers, refugees, etc.
4.  The right to die with dignity such as the very old, the terminally sick, etc.
5.  Challenges to moral, religious or traditional values such as  relationship before marriage, worships via Internet, letting the government take care of the old, etc.
6.  Continued talk of revenge of earlier wars such as the Second World War, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Middle East Wars etc.


With the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucers, there will be new degrees of freedom.  National boundaries will disappear or will become uncontrollable...  What are the new rules?  Who will define these rules?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 01, 2015, 09:42:23 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/china-abandons-one-child-policy (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/china-abandons-one-child-policy)
Tom Phillips (http://www.theguardian.com/profile/tomphillips) in Beijing


Thursday 29 October 2015 14.37

China (http://www.theguardian.com/world/china) has scrapped its one-child policy, allowing all couples to have two children for the first time since draconian family planning rules were introduced more than three decades ago.

The announcement followed a four-day Communist party summit in Beijing where China’s top leaders debated financial reforms and how to maintain growth at a time of heightened concerns about the economy.


*** What was Meaningful changed.  China can now provide a higher standard of living for a larger population.  All Nations should re-examine what is Meaningful from time to time.


*** When will it be Meaningful for USA and China to disclose the top secret?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 02, 2015, 01:06:20 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/china-abandons-one-child-policy (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/china-abandons-one-child-policy)
Tom Phillips (http://www.theguardian.com/profile/tomphillips) in Beijing


Thursday 29 October 2015 14.37

China (http://www.theguardian.com/world/china) has scrapped its one-child policy, allowing all couples to have two children for the first time since draconian family planning rules were introduced more than three decades ago.

The announcement followed a four-day Communist party summit in Beijing where China’s top leaders debated financial reforms and how to maintain growth at a time of heightened concerns about the economy.


*** What was Meaningful changed.  China can now provide a higher standard of living for a larger population.  All Nations should re-examine what is Meaningful from time to time.


*** When will it be Meaningful for USA and China to disclose the top secret?


China also benefited from the Green Revolution.  The number of farmers decreased.  The acreage of farmland decreased.  Food production increased.  The improvement in farming, processing and storage technologies ensured sufficient food for its population.  The additional mouths from the expected increase of the two children policy will not go hungry.


Using lead-out energy flying saucer technology to improve energy and transportation will be meaningful for China - even in the field of agriculture.  China should speed up the pace of development and let the top secret be used for non-military use.


Every person in the World can enjoy more Modern Wealth.  The World Population growth is around 1 %.  Modern Wealth can grow much faster than 1%.  China has a growth rate much higher.  Developing Nations should examine the model and achieve a similarly high growth rate.


There is no need to conquer another Nation.  Modern Wealth can be created with no wars, no robbing or cheating...  Win-win is possible.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 03, 2015, 01:25:07 PM
Food security at present and in the future.


Over the past 20 years, the Latin America and the Caribbean region has significantly increased its share in global agricultural trade'


   " Latin America is home to about 28% of potential new arable land. And despite droughts and water scarcity in some sub-regions, it also holds the highest share of renewable water resources. "

*** Can Africa do something similar?  China is helping - developing a potential food supplier...

To be successful in the new paradigm of abundant energy and easy travelling, the World needs peace, security for everyone and "equal opportunity" for all to achieve their highest potential.

Developed Nations cannot just look inwards.  They must help to raise the quality of life of others - sharing knowledge freely on the Internet is a good way; doing example projects together is another, helping to find what is Meaningful may be a key...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 04, 2015, 12:20:28 PM
Conversation with an Economist.


Economist: "Do you know that if the lead-out energy flying saucer technology is true, the World as we know it will change totally?"

Tseung: "Please elaborate."


Economist: "One key factor in the development of any economy is energy.  If that were cheap and abundant, the growth rate will be extremely high.  China can go back to double digit growth in the foreseeable future.  Energy is the fuel of the economic engine.  With more fuel, the engine can run faster."


Tseung: "How about the flying saucer technology?"


Economist: "That will be a revolution in its own right.  Cars have given man a new degree of freedom compared with the day of the horse.  Flying Saucers will give new dreams.  That is why China and USA Governments are keeping the technology top secret."


Tseung: "Scientific progress is inevitable.  The advantages outweight the disadvantages."


Economist: "Tesla talked and built free energy devices.  He got his support cut off."


Tseung: "If the products come out from a totally unexpected Nation, what will happen?"


Economist: "England become the Colonial Power with the Industrial Revolution.  It dominated the World,"


Tseung: "I hope that will never happen again.  All Nations and Humans can enjoy Modern Wealth."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 04, 2015, 11:54:08 PM

Economy of Ethiopia

In 2013/14, Ethiopia’s economy grew by 10.3%, making the country one of Africa’s top performing economies and this strong growth is expected to continue in 2015 and 2016.
Owing to a co-ordinated prudent fiscal and monetary policy stance, inflation has been contained to single digits since 2013.

Federalism and devolution of power to the regions are paving the way to overcoming geographic and socio-economic barriers to inclusive growth and structural transformation.


The International Monetary Fund (IMF) ranks Ethiopia as among the five fastest growing economies in the world. After a decade of continuous expansion (during which real GDP growth averaged 10.8% per annum), in 2013/14 the economy grew for its 11th consecutive year posting 10.3% growth. Over the 12 months from July 2013 (the country’s fiscal year runs from July-July), all of the economy’s main sectors performed well. Agriculture (which represents 40.2% of GDP) grew by 5.4%, industry (14% of GDP) expanded by 21.2% and services (46.2% of GDP) rose by 11.9%. This positive growth should continue for the coming two years, although constraints on private sector development could slow its momentum.


***It is an example of an African Nation finding what is Meaningful and helping themselves.  It may work on and develop the lead--out energy flying saucer...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 05, 2015, 05:22:40 PM
What is the most Meaningful way to help a Developing Nation?


1.  Give aid.  This is like giving money to your teenage children.  They may just depend on that money.


2.  Develop their potential.  Buy their goods and services.  I still remember the days when Hong Kong got orders to produce plastic flowers and wigs.  Some people questioned the usefulness of such products.  However, it produced jobs.  It got the people feeling good about themselves.  It got the whole light industry (textiles, toys) going.  It got people to travel, to do commerce and learn the import and export trade.


Is it more meaningful to get the children to learn some skills and get jobs.  Is it more Meaningful to order and buy products from a Developing Nation to develop its potential and confidence?  Can China use some of its huge foreign currency reserve to buy clothes, toys, plastic flowers, furniture, food from a Developing Nation with the intention of speeding up its development.  Can that be turned into a win-win?


It is not just a matter of buying the best or the cheapest product.  It is a matter developing the confidence and potential of another Nation.  This has to be done with planning and moderation.  It is like encouraging the children to write a computer program or a game.  The program or game may not be the best (or not even good).  But that would give the children a chance to learn and master the skills.  I still remember writing the Black Jack Game in Basic... 


The lead-out energy flying saucer may be a Meaningful Activity in the right direction.  UFOs are flying.  Can they be man-made?  Can a Developing Nation rediscover the top secret of USA and China?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 06, 2015, 09:59:55 PM
Talking about the making plastic flower days in Hong Kong.


Retiree A:  "I remember those days.  Hong Kong did not have much industry after the war.  There were plenty of refugees.  There were no proper housing.  We took the parts and made the flowers at home.  There were no minimum wage or maximum working hours.  It was a matter how many pieces you make that determined how much you earn."


Retiree B: "It was a family affair.  It did not matter about age.  Boys and girls at eight or nine years old joined."


Retiree C: "Initially, I questioned what was the use of plastic flowers.  I was indoctrinated to believe that only heavy industries were good.  Making products to make the Westerners feel good was a waste of time.  But I soon realized that getting the order was a good thing.  The refugees got jobs. We learned to be efficient.  We had mini assembly lines at home."


Tseung: "It was the start of the light industry in Hong Kong.  Hong Kong started making things.  I still remember working at Fairchild Semi-conductors.  I helped to document how the efficiency increased over 1,000 percent.  It was not only low wages.  It was the improvement at every step.  One big improvement was replacing the placing of chips on the plates for testing.  The process from USA was to use tiny vacuum pumps to pick up each diode chip and place it on the plate.  In Hong Kong, a female worker just poured the chips on the plate and used a card  to separate and align them.  The chips that were bottom up were flicked over gently.  What used to take 20 women one whole day could be done by a "skill" worker in 2 hours."


Retiree A: "Every Individual was focused on making money.  We had to find the most efficient ways.  In the textile industry, we had the choice of buying the old machinery or buying the most efficient modern ones.  Some bought the old ones but they could not compete with the modern ones in terms of making money."


Retiree B: "China learned from Hong Kong.  Many Hong Kong owners set up factories in China.  Chinese engineers and technicians examined every process and made improvements.  They had the Government to help in setting up their own factories, giving all the incentives to produce products for exports, etc."


Retiree C: "China accepted pollution.  Workers lived in factory provided housing.  If needed, they worked overtime.  China became the lowest cost manufacturer."


Tseung: "The World has progressed.  We do not go to the cheapest restaurants all the time any more.  We look for quality and variety.  Sometimes we even go the restaurants of our friends or relatives to support them even though the food was not of the highest quality."


Retiree A: "Are you saying that we should buy goods from a Developing Country even if the quality is not the best and the price is not the cheapest?"


Tseung: "We have to think about the World now.  We have to deal with and respect all Nations.  We have to treat every one as a friend.  If a friend produces a toy and I have plenty of spare cash, i do not mind buying it if it is functional and safe.  The price may be higher.  I may tell my friend and help him to improve."


Retiree B: "You are talking about changing the game of the World.  We are too old to do anything."


Are we???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 07, 2015, 01:19:09 AM
You lot are nuts !!!! over population ???? what ???? hahahahah we can handle 22 billion and thats without free energy !
Lol. Just because this rock might have the square footage for it doesn't mean you can support them on that square foot  ::)

Food problems ? we got advance home grow food technology 10 000 times fast than a plant in a field
Magic beans? Jack is that you ???

... And than what about the moon ??? Thats good for another 5 billon !
Let me guess. We actually landed on it didn't we 8)

   What mad world are you planning for ???? If it was up to you we would all be eating each other in 30 years ! The idea  of isolating a problem is to solve it ! Thats my job as you guys couldn't solve a melting block of ice ...
I live on earth. Not sure where you are though. You'll have no choice but to eat your neighbors when fresh water runs out and you can't grow anything anymore. Can't raise livestock without that magic liquid so no more weekend grilling that steak or burger. We are the problem. Removing us is the cure. Your solution is magic beans on the moon :o
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 07, 2015, 01:19:16 AM
The UFOs made in USA and in China are already flying.


The 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier were working in 2000.  The late Lee Cheung Kin and I presented the lead-out energy theory in 2004.  The QMOGEN patent was granted to Jesse McQueen in USA in 2006.


The lead-out energy flying saucer is a paradigm shifting technology.  It is similar to Newton's Laws of Motion.  It is similar to the invention of the gun and cannons.  It is like the Atomic Bomb that ended the Second World War.


If USA were the only Nation that could produce the Atomic weapons, it might be able to dominate the World forever.  However, science and technology can be learned by all.  The Internet has facilitated that.


One approach that USA took was - join my camp and I could give you prosperity.  I could buy your goods, provide investment and teach you democracy.  That is the magic to prosperity.  Once you are in my camp, you do not need to worry about Nuclear Wars.  You do not need to develop weapons.  I shall protect you.


The rise of China provided the Developing Nations with another alternative.  There is no need to choose democracy.  There is no need to join the USA camp.  There is no need to accept the USA dominated Multi-nationals.  Modern Wealth can be generated by increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.


One of the most Meaningful Economic Activities in Hong Kong is real estate.  It has to be built within the local place.  It can be done without foreign investment.  It provides a better environment for its citizens.  Almost all Nations can develop such Meaningful Economic Activities.  Just do not over do it.


The fear from USA is that some "independent" Nation can master the lead-out energy flying saucer technology and run with it.  USA knows that China has such a technology.  There is the Nuclear Weapon club.  No other Nation is allowed to join. 


The lead-out energy flying saucer technology is potentially more paradigm changing.  The USA and Chinese Leaders have not figured out what to do.  They are treating it as a matter of National Security.  They can influence the Nations in their camp.  But there are Nations outside their camp.  What happens when such "independent" Nations master such technology and introduce products?


The World has changed from scarcity to relative abundance.  Food is no longer a problem.  in USA, some farmers are paid not to produce food.  In China, some cropland is returned to forests.  Knowledge is not a problem with the Internet.  Cars, refrigerators, electrical appliances will no longer be scarce with multiple suppliers.  Money can and have been printed.  There is no lack of capital for investment (if one has the right connections).   Prosperity can reach every human being provided that we do not have another population explosion.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 07, 2015, 01:46:27 AM
...One approach that USA took was - join my camp and I could give you prosperity.  I could buy your goods, provide investment and teach you democracy.  That is the magic to prosperity.  Once you are in my camp, you do not need to worry about Nuclear Wars.  You do not need to develop weapons.  I shall protect you...
Yup. That's what they told Ukraine. They got rid of all their nukes a while ago which didn't work out to well for them recently. Not to worry though. Russia just moved a bunch of nukes back into that region so all is well again ::)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 07, 2015, 03:34:38 AM
I AM SURE WE ALL AGREE THAN !...
Yes! We are on the same page now. Got to wipe the slate clean every now and then. It's just good house keeping. I don't know if we can wait on our governments to help us get the UFO tech released. We have to find a way to do it ourselves. I have a couple ideas that I think have a (.0000001) percent chance of working so we are pretty much screwed if it's up to me. Hopefully someone out there, perhaps it's you, will head the call of ltseung888 in releasing the secrets of the leading-out energy!!!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 07, 2015, 06:24:53 PM
Why State Capitalism is working now.


1.  Before the advent of the computers, it was impossible to gather and organize all the data required for planning.  China relied on its Officials to report agricultural results in the 1950s.  Some of the reports were plainly fabricated.  The Officials had no training and they got their position because of claiming loyalty to Chairman Mao.


2.  Leaders had little education and were ill equipped to handle the complexity of running a Nation.  For example, Chairman Mao claimed a larger population was good for China in the 1950 and 1960s.  Baby boom occurred in China.  It was after the painful lesson that China introduced the one child policy.


3.  The general level of education of the citizens was poor.  They were not skilled workers.  They were not architects.  They were not city planners. They could not mass produce products.  They could not produce products that the World wants.


4.  Now, the World has changed.  Knowledge is no longer a scarcity.  Planning with the computer and spreadsheets is effective.  Data collection is much more accurate with scanners, cameras, videos etc.  The economists have different models to examine and compare.


5.  Previously, USA and the Multi-Nationals have the lead in technology, capital and marketing.  They championed free enterprise.  They advocated free competition.  They knew that they could win easily.  A small family business just do not have the chance to compete globally against them.  Then state capitalism stepped in.  The tinny Country of Singapore developed that concept well.  The State helped businesses in every possible way - from giving seminars, inviting foreign technology and capital to financing the locals.


6.  China learned from that model and improved it much more.  China can plan on doubling its GDP in 5 years.  That translates to different activities in infrastructure development, real estate, heavy industry, light industry, agriculture, medical care, entertainment etc.  Some of these can be given to private individuals.  For example the restaurant business can be given to private individuals.  Making money is glorious.  The innovative spirit prospered.  Some undertakings such as building of Dams, Bridges and high speed trains had to be done by the Government.


7.  Much of the planning is common sense.  With a stable Government, things get done.  In Hong Kong, we experienced the stupidity of so called democracy first hand.  The elected members of the Legislative Council behaved worse than hooligans.  They deliberately disrupt and delay legislation and laws.  Things no longer get done.


8.  Taiwan is another stupid example of so called democracy.  The Government changed hands or expected to change hands every few years.  Instead of focusing on economy and prosperity, the politics focused on fear and personality attacks.


9.  China now plans to grow at a pace of around 6.5% in the coming 5 years.  Will it succeed?  The record in the past 3 decades speaks for itself.  Much of the data is now available on the Internet for discussion, comments, monitoring and improving.  Private individuals and enterprises can see the opportunities.  For example, they know the emphasis on the Internal Consumer Market.  They know that they can count on support in that direction.


State Capitalism appears to be better than unplanned capitalism.  Any responsible parent will help to plan for the future of their children...  Letting them do whatever they want is not liberalism.  It is leading them into temptation and failure.


Is State Planning on the lead-out energy flying saucer a good thing?  It is much better than leaving it at the hands and resources of a few old, retired persons...  But can these old persons still make a contribution???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 07, 2015, 10:48:13 PM
...
Is State Planning on the lead-out energy flying saucer a good thing?  It is much better than leaving it at the hands and resources of a few old, retired persons...  But can these old persons still make a contribution???
The old peoples passion for the UFO tech is required to convince the State. Old people have the brains but the state has the man power and $ to make it happen.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 07, 2015, 11:06:16 PM
...
So are you in or are you out ???????
Beam me up Scotty! The politics is an unfortunate necessary evil. Comes with the territory of working with other flawed humans.

Can we build small version of your space ships first? Proof of concept type thing, or does it require large mass to generate the needed force for lift off? I understand a lot of our magnetic and electrical devices become more efficient the larger they are. I can't build particle accelerators and such but I built a small prop driven aircraft that the "experts" told me wasn't possible. The "experts" said that not only was it not possible but if it was possible it would have already been done. Welp I built it, took me about two weeks to figure it out, then flew it after which the "experts" quickly stopped making noise and disappeared. ;D

To this day I still have yet to see anyone replicate what I did, the way I did it. And I can now do it even easier. I still get a nice chuckle every time an engineering student or company is interested in what I did and wants more info.

It will be difficult to raise the $ we need if we can't build a smaller, 6 foot or less, working prototype of the UFO or the lead out energy device.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 12:10:51 AM
The lesson State Capitalism learned from the Free Market.


One important lesson China learned is allowing competition.  In competition, the best gets better with each success.  People will invest in it.  It can go public and more people will invest.  At the same time, many enterprises are allowed to fail.  If  the State pops up a Company, that Company will last for a long time even if it were run poorly.


The open 5 years plans and the allowance of some free reporting prevented the rise and continuation of really bad Companies.  There are open bids for most projects.  The goals and milestones are predefined.  Many projects such as construction are effectively replication of known efforts.  Planning for these are relatively easy.  The plans for a new City can be obtained and improved from the plans of another successful City.


http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/1875480/chinas-new-five-year-plan-aims-make-nation-faster
Still growing at 6.5% up to 2020.  If China reveals the UFO secret, meeting that target is a piece of cake.


The plans call for raising the living standards of those underprivileged.  The new wealth is forced to spread.  There are still opportunities to become super rich with the stock market.  There are stories of ordinary citizens becoming billionaires.  That gives the drive and dedication for the whole Nation.


The UFOs made in USA and China are flying.  The lead-out energy theory and the draft design for the flying saucer is out.  In China, the scientists and engineers who have built successful prototypes are immediately recruited by the Government.  They will not go hungry.  Wang Shen He now lives in a mansion in Beijing.  He no longer sells blood to get his research going...


My bet is on a small Nation completing or repeating the research and development.  It can then demonstrate the prototype and produce products.  Much of the initial work will have to be done without the publicity and limelight.  A garage mechanic is unlikely to have the resources to do it.  If he were in USA, he might be visited by the man in black...  He might be sabotaged by "supporters or investors"...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 12:33:02 AM
The old peoples passion for the UFO tech is required to convince the State. Old people have the brains but the state has the man power and $ to make it happen.


The UFOs made in USA and China are already flying.  It is a matter of convincing the Leaders to disclose the technology and direct it to non-military applications. 


My bet is on a totally unexpected Nation...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 01:22:30 AM
In a speech to last week's plenum, Xi, who is also the party's general secretary, said China's annual economic growth over the next five years should be at least 6.5 per cent. The target was necessary to "realize China's goal of doubling gross domestic product and per capita income by 2020 on the basis of 2010".


If China were to deploy the lead-out energy flying saucer technology, how many electrical appliances will be replaced?  How many cars, ships and planes will be improved?  How many homes will be upgraded?  What are the new infrastructures?


What are the new Meaningful Economic Activities?  Will there be a test City?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 08, 2015, 02:03:09 AM
...
My bet is on a totally unexpected Nation...
Yes. Maybe Norway or Finland or something like that.

THEY DONT HAVE THE REAL THING .... I DO !
You have it wrapped up in to many Batman riddles. If you have it, they will wait for you to die like Tesla and take all your notes. He ran out of time and lost the chance to give it to everyone for free. By keeping secrets he essentially gave it to only the government for free.

Release the UFO tech for freeeeee. No flying entity or contraption should be earthly bound by the human mind. Let it soar to the heavens like the mighty eagle, and so on and so forth.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 02:42:52 AM
Will the thirteen 5 year plan spur innovation?

In January, Carly Fiorina told Caffeinated Thoughts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwCMoxnoK78&feature=youtu.be&t=1m19s), a Christian conservative blog, “yeah the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate.” That sentiment, fair or not, has long been widespread on this side of the Pacific. Now it is increasingly informing the reform agenda in China. According to the source in Beijing, “Chinese copy everything because for a long, long period there has been no innovation. Now there are many people in companies and schools across the world, and everybody is looking to make the next big thing.”

Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/chinas-13th-five-year-plan-three-key-questions-cm537626#ixzz3qrNllrSZ (http://www.nasdaq.com/article/chinas-13th-five-year-plan-three-key-questions-cm537626#ixzz3qrNllrSZ)


The lead-out energy flying saucer will change all that attitude.  China is likely to wait for the unexpected Nation to announce it first...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 08, 2015, 03:40:18 AM
...But don't bother if your only into politics we don't do politics we just build space craft ....
Not big on politics myself. I enjoy the building part most of all. Once it's built and flys, I'm off to the next build. Sounds like you have a good plan in place with the Xprize. I know little of the magnetic vortex you speak of but believe it does exist.


...The lead-out energy flying saucer will change all that attitude.  China is likely to wait for the unexpected Nation to announce it first...
Yes. It's much easier to copy once someone else, be that a person or nation, presents their finding first ;)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 05:41:03 AM
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/03/c_134780397.htm (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/03/c_134780397.htm)


China's 13th Five-Year Plan to benefit world -- overseas experts

BEIJING, Nov. 3 (Xinhua) -- China's 13th Five-Year Plan (2016-2020) on National Economic and Social Development will not only meet its own development demand, but also have a positive impact on the rest of the world, overseas experts have said.

The document, adopted at the Fifth Plenary Session of the 18th Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee which ended on Oct. 29, sets guidelines and targets for the next five years. It highlights the ideas of innovation, coordination, green development, opening up and sharing to fulfill its goals.

The next five-year period, the 13th since the founding of new China in 1949, was described as a decisive stage for building a moderately prosperous society by 2020 in the eight-chapter proposal.


*** China can help to develop and buy more agricultural products,(e.g. from Ethiopia etc) and continue to be an economic engine for the World.  China may even order "non-essential" goods (e.g. plastic flowers) to stimulate the economy and industry of Developing Nations.  Such may seem insignificant but may build up the confidence and capability of some Developing Nations.  My gut feel is that China will concentrate on Infrastructure projects that can be seen.

*** I have a feeling that an unexpected Nation will announce the lead-out energy flying saucer technology in this time frame (2016-2020).  It may be from one of the poorest Developing Nations. They have nothing to lose but everything to gain.  The action will cause the World to rethink.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 06:38:10 AM
Just received a phone call from a friend.  Her son got into University and hopes to enter the medical profession.  She planned for this ever since the son was born.


She mentioned another friend whose son also was at University age but the grades were not enough to get in.  That family allowed the son much freedom. 


Can this be compared to State Capitalism where the parents directed the development?  Compare this with liberal democracy where the parents let the youngster do whatever pleases him?


What will be the future of these two youngsters?  Think about 5 years from now?  If I live that long, I may post the comparison.


The Chinese parents will overwhelmingly favor the former...

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 08, 2015, 07:03:09 AM
Freedom is everything.  It is the only thing.  What someone chooses to do with it is up to them.  It is up to them to prosper, or fail.
Either choice is their fault.

Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 08:38:54 AM
Freedom is everything.  It is the only thing.  What someone chooses to do with it is up to them.  It is up to them to prosper, or fail.
Either choice is their fault.

Bill


Preach this to the Developing Nations.  Listen to Dambisa Moyo.


When you are in a privileged position with comfortable homes, food on the table, time to enjoy movies, computer games, etc., you can preach freedom.


USA, Europe, Australia, Canada etc. are in such privileged positions.  They are in such positions mainly due to the Industrial Revolution.  But the dark side was conquering and robbing other Nations.  The modern World with Nuclear Weapons could no longer repeat such actions.


The alternative is to work smarter and that means planning.  Some individual freedom will have to be restricted. 


I stupidly thought that innovation meant pushing as hard as possible.  Individual efforts and resources could overcome all odds.  Now I realize that the UFOs are already flying.  The USA and Chinese Leaders know it.  The knowledge has not spread to the masses.  If not handled properly, the military people might use excuses to do "preemptive strikes" and destroy the human race.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 08:37:02 PM
Industrial Revolution for all Nations to eliminate temptation of War.


The reason why some Countries started wars in the past was the Gain.  If it would lose little and gain much, it would be tempted to start wars or conquests.

If the other side could fight back with massive destruction, there would be no temptation of war.

If a single Nation dominates (such as USA today), other Nations would have to "submit" to that Nation.  Some may argue that this is good as that single Nation can act as World Policeman.

Another alternative was in the Cold War days when there were two camps each able to destroy the other.  Small Nations would find shelter in one camp or other. 

Is there another alternative?  If all Nations are Developed and that all Nations can increase Modern Wealth via increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities, there will be no temptation of War.  Prosperity need not come from conquering or robbing others.  Nations can exchange goods and services with respect.

The Internet has helped to spread knowledge.  Hopefully, it will spread good will at the same time.

The UFOs are being sighted everywhere.  Some of these are made in USA or China.  Other Nations will master the technology if not already done so.  The UFO technology can potentially wipe out all military advantage of today.  (It can be compared to guns and cannons out casting all swords, arrows and armors).

USA obviously wants to keep its privileged position and tries to keep the technology top secret.

China fears a "preemptive strike" and prefers to continue its industrial revolution in the conventional way.  There is much research and development but such will be kept as top secret.

What happens if an unexpected Nation (e.g. an African Nation) announces and demonstrates the lead-out energy flying saucer technology?  No Nation will think that it tries to dominate the World.  That African Nation will gain much reputation and respect.  It will be developed much faster.  Other Developing Nations will follow its lead.

Economists and writers will promote the third alternative - prosperity to all Nations via Modern Wealth.  USA does not need to keep Military Superiority to guarantee peace.  China does not need to worry about preemptive strikes.

Should we help one of these unexpected Nations to acquire the lead-out energy flying saucer technology?  We could claim it as "teachings from Aliens"...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2015, 11:30:56 PM
5 year plans

Not all things can be planned.  Bur a significant number can be.

When the youngster goes to University, there will be unknowns.  There will be new people, new experiences but most of them can be foreseen. 

The parents who plan and monitor are more likely to have successful graduate sons and daughters...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 09, 2015, 02:02:47 AM
What can be planned realistically.


1.  High speed rail links between Cities.
2.  Underground mass transit within Cities.
3.  Housing for the low income.
4.  Green houses and mechanization for agriculture.
5.  Communication Infrastructures - every one has iphone crones.
6.  Education - every student has access to a computer.
7.  Retirement Centers - Every old citizen has a place to go.
8.  Electrical Appliances - Every household has TV, Refrigerator, rice cooker etc.
9.  Mutual trade with Developing Countries - 6.5% growth is a piece of cake.
10.  I have not mentioned lead-out energy flying saucers.


Can China double its GDP in 2020 based on 2010 figures?  Is 6.5% annual growth
achievable?


Why is State Capitalism and Planning inferior to Liberal Capitalism???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 10, 2015, 02:04:55 AM
At the Senior Center.

Retiree A: "What is your purpose in promoting the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?  You do not need any more money.  Your children are grown up.  You do not have the energy and health to turn it into a business."

Retiree B: "Tseung just writes to pass time.  His UFOs may or may not work.  It does not matter.  It is better to do something to feel good than waiting to die."

Retiree C: "I actually think that Tseung have something.  It will be a miracle if his UFO actually flies.  It will be a good story.  I shall be happy to say that I actually know this guy."

Tseung: "I am lucky to be in such a privileged position.  I have enough to eat.  I live in relative comfort.  I do not have to worry about the future of my family.  I can post whatever I want without fear.  I like the gift given to me - "God gives to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation. Eph. 1:17".

Retiree A: "Do you think any one will perform your magnetic repulsion experiment?  Do you think that there are really unexpected Nations that will take on the project?"

Retiree B: "He has God given Wisdom and Revelation.  Let us continue with our card game."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 10, 2015, 02:19:23 AM
It is your right to post what you want. You keep it all in one thread so I see no harm in it.

Massive UFO sighting over California recently. Has the leadout energy now been revealed? Or is Jimmy Kimmel up to his old tricks? It's on the front of YouTube so it must be true? Hmmm...

One heck of a weather baloon. Fox recently announced the return of the X-files in January. Viral marketing campaign?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7mNmqJJ10
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on November 10, 2015, 07:24:04 AM
It is your right to post what you want. You keep it all in one thread so I see no harm in it.

Massive UFO sighting over California recently. Has the leadout energy now been revealed? Or is Jimmy Kimmel up to his old tricks? It's on the front of YouTube so it must be true? Hmmm...

One heck of a weather baloon. Fox recently announced the return of the X-files in January. Viral marketing campaign?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7mNmqJJ10

it was the result of a rocket being tested that created a blue greenish tint in the sky.
it wasn't spock, darn it.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on November 10, 2015, 09:46:23 AM
MagnaProp, that one looks similar to this one https://youtu.be/ezhirVLaD10
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on November 10, 2015, 09:52:38 AM
Thanks for the info. It does look similar to that one. A rocket they say. Sounds like rockets are the new weather balloons to me. I do like the theory of it being spock. May us all live long and prosper my friends.

Looks like they keep blowing up so I guess it belongs to SpaceX if it really is a rocket.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: joel321 on November 10, 2015, 10:27:24 AM
It is not a rocket for sure...the energy exhaust is wayyyyyy to big for it to be from a man made rocket. I think little by little the truth about aliens will be for told. There is just too much evidence to ignore it.

In the video that I posted as being similar, how do you explain the tail being left behind all bright and shiny?

I don't know if you noticed it too in your video how the sparkle of the stars where shifting too? On/off, on/off? As if the UFO had an influence of light shifting?

One thing for sure, that was not a rocket and you can do all of the math of a rocket exhaust chemtrail. That was not one rocket chemtrail….it is just that your average person cannot understand stuff in the sky just rockets...and in the past people experiencing this… they got scared 'cause they had no rockets to compare it with back then.

I think it is time to understand that there are multiverses. I had some time to think about this and I believe that time is not constant through out space. Time is a frequency = multiverses. Right now it may be 1pm but in the next parallel universe it may be 1:01pm and in the  next 1:02pm..and further down the parallel universes 2pm. I kind of have the feeling that the UFO's have figured out a way to jump from universe to universe.

I think that an alien will teach us more than a university professor if we can find a way to communicate with the alien beings. And I think that we can only do that through the mind since they communicate through magnetic light waves instead of vocal cord sound waves. Our brain communicates with the body through magnetic light waves not by sound.

Lets welcome the aliens to our houses?  :)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 10, 2015, 12:06:18 PM
It is clear to me that USA is testing some type of UFO.

There are multiple engines as can be seen on that UFO with 4 lights.

The huge missile like object with bright lights behind it could be the half-successful lead-out energy flying saucer. 

This time, many people saw and videoed it.  The Navy said that it was their test.  It is obviously not the conventional rocket.

Can USA and China keep the top secret now?  Is there any point in keeping the secret?  The UFO prototypes are now massive.  They can no longer be restricted in Area 51.  USA may even be technically advanced to launch one from its submarines.

The UFO type flying technique is clear.  Will the lead-out energy part come out later?  The Jesse McQueen QMOGEN patent has already been granted in 2006.


*** Can that be a conventional trident missile fired from a sub?  If we look at the video from the beginning, the object first appeared as a stationary bright dot.  It then started to move randomly before firing and moving forward.  Can a trident missile do that?


My gut feel is that it is a flying saucer what can suck in air and accelerate the air molecules to provide additional thrust.  That can explain the huge blue tail.  The theory is already explained in this thread.  There is no mystery any more...


The electromagnet repulsion test is now academic. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 10, 2015, 08:50:49 PM
Why did the US Navy test the UFO like missiles in populated areas?

Are they ready to announce the lead-out energy flying saucer technology?

What will be the new names and terms?

Now, no matter which Nation announces and demonstrates the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer, USA can say: "I already have it.  It has been seen and videoed by thousands in California."

The new paradigm of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer has begun.  Let us increase the Meaningful Economic Activities for every Nation and every Individual...

Divine Wine is for all to share.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 11, 2015, 11:49:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjSKugzw59o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjSKugzw59o)

China - Factory of the World

Is it possible or reasonable to get the Developing Nations to come up with such massive and efficient factories?

Let us think about variety.  Let us think about prosperity for all Nations.  Let us think about Mutual Credits.

The New World must not focus on survival of the fittest.  The New World must not allow monopolies. The New World must provide basic comfort for every one and opportunities to get to his highest potential.  The New World will need new economic concepts and approaches.  This means new Political Thoughts and Understanding.

The UFO style missile demonstrated on Nov 7, 2015 in California will start the new paradigm of abundant energy and freedom to travel. It is like computers and Internet at their infancy stages.  The technology will change the Human Race forever...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 11, 2015, 08:32:39 PM
What can be planned realistically for China.
 
 
 1.  High speed rail links between Cities.
 2.  Underground mass transit within Cities.
 3.  Housing for the low income.
 4.  Green houses and mechanization for agriculture.
 5.  Communication Infrastructures - every one has iphone crones.
 6.  Education - every student has access to a computer.
 7.  Retirement Centers - Every old citizen has a place to go.
 8.  Electrical Appliances - Every household has TV, Refrigerator, rice cooker etc.
 9.  Mutual trade with Developing Countries - 6.5% growth is a piece of cake.
 10.  I have not mentioned lead-out energy flying saucers.
 
 Can China double its GDP in 2020 based on 2010 figures?  Is 6.5% annual growth
 achievable?
 
 Why is State Capitalism and Planning inferior to Liberal Capitalism???
 

If I were to advice an African Nation, I would look at the Meaningful Economic Activities for China
and carefully determine the right ones for the African Nation.

My list of Meaningful Economic Activities may look like:
1.        Mutual Trade and Mutual Credits.  Get the relationship stable and learn from one another.
One of the most important aspects at this point is learn the technology.  If China builds a road,
A Bridge, a High Speed Train etc in my Country, learn the technology and the efficiency.

2.  Green Houses and mechanization for agriculture.  Food security is the essential element for
All Nations.  Make sure that this is well developed.  Encourage China to help to improve the
Technology and buy the products in the Mutual Trade.

3.  Develop the manufacturing capability.  Learn to produce some products and expand.  Let the Universities and Colleges join in.  Develop the Student and Workers together. 
Generate the Spirit – we can do it and will be better.

4.  Communication Infrastructure and Education.  With the Internet, passing knowledge to the
Younger generation is much easier.  Make sure that there is an “Official Recommendation”.

5.  Look into Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers.  Any contribution to this new paradigm will boost the Confidence of the Nation.

Is 10% growth an achievable target?  Outline a 5 year plan.  Draft the 1 year action steps.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 12, 2015, 03:43:42 PM
Joined a tour to Ma Wan Park, Hong Kong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Wan_Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Wan_Park)

Ma Wan was a small Island that gained visibility when the Bridge linking the New Airport to
Hong Kong was constructed.  Ma Wan acted as key link.  It was then developed as a quiet outskirt
New Residents were encouraged not to have cars, shopping centers and all other noisy aspects
of City Life.

There are less than 30,000 residents now.  There is room for more.  But there is much objection
from present residents who want to preserve their existing relaxing life style.

How should one balance the need to have more homes and the wishes of some residents...

Progress and 5 year plans will meet with objections.  Can weak democratic governments
overcome such objections?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 12, 2015, 10:54:21 PM
Joined a tour to Ma Wan Park, Hong Kong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Wan_Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Wan_Park)

Ma Wan was a small Island that gained visibility when the Bridge linking the New Airport to
Hong Kong was constructed.  Ma Wan acted as key link.  It was then developed as a quiet outskirt
New Residents were encouraged not to have cars, shopping centers and all other noisy aspects
of City Life.

There are less than 30,000 residents now.  There is room for more.  But there is much objection
from present residents who want to preserve their existing relaxing life style.

How should one balance the need to have more homes and the wishes of some residents...

Progress and 5 year plans will meet with objections.  Can weak democratic governments
overcome such objections?


The above example shows one fact.  A person must be willing to help himself before others can
help him.  If a youngster wants to be a medical doctor, he must be willing to study and accept the
disciplines of the Medical Profession.  If a Developing Nations wants to progress, it must be willing
to take some tough measures.

A youngster must not be misled to drug and crime.  A Nation must be misled into endless debates,
government changes every few years, politicians with no long term plans and aim to achieve personal recognition.


An outsider can give advice and help but the action must come from within the Nation...


The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer paradigm has begun.  The UFO style missile on Nov 7, 2015 is
seen by many.  The UFO and free energy researchers will no longer be ridiculed.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 14, 2015, 12:06:41 AM
How would I advise an African Nation on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?


I would do the following:


1.  Show the UFO videos - especially the ones in California and in Nanjing.
2.  Raise the possibility that these are man-made.
3.  Explain the King David Sling technology. 
     Higher rotational speeds means higher centrifugal force.
     Unequal rotational speed in 1 cycle gives rise to net thrust.
4.  Concept of Lead-out Energy.
     We can use wind and the kinetic energy of air molecules.
     We can use gravitational energy one time - a rock rolling down the hill.
     We can use tidal waves.  Tide is result of gravitational forces.
5.  Do the Mathematics.
     In the case of the horizontally pushed pendulum, the tension will increase.
       The vertical component of the tension leads out gravitational energy.
     Show the Milkovic two stage oscillator videos.  Focus on those from Raymond Head.
       Carefully examine that the amplitude of the swing is not significantly reduced when
       the Weight is lifted.
     Show the Chan Wheel.  Explain why it is more efficient.
     Show the William Skinner video.
6.  Show the Jesse McQueen Patent.
     Show the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier pictures and video.
     Show the 225 HP Pulse Motor.
7.  Discuss the design of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.
     Show the proof of concept electromagnet repulsion experiment.
       A small DC Input will partially align the tiny magnets in ferromagnetic materials.
      The result is much greater magnetic field - leading out electromagnetic energy.
      Electromagnetic energy is everywhere similar to gravitational field.
8.  Let the engineers and scientists of the African Nation continue their research.
     Hint the impact of the paradigm shift.
     Encourage the reading of my postings in this forum.


Sow seeds and share the Divine Wine...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: PIH123 on November 14, 2015, 01:54:30 AM
How would I advise an African Nation on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?


I would do the following:


5.  Do the Mathematics.


8.  Encourage the reading of my postings in this forum.


Hi Larry,

Really appreciate your enthusiasm, but,


I would say for number 5, Just Don't.


And as for number 8, well that might be overunity don't.

Pete
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 14, 2015, 05:42:11 AM
Once again, Lawrence shows his ignorance of many things.  A few posts back, he accused the United States of starting wars to take over territory and steal the resources of other nations.

Well, I challenge him to name one time...just one, that the the US invaded another country and stole all of their resources and took their territory.  We have fought many wars but, did we claim Japan?  Germany? France? Denmark? Poland? as our territory?  No, we did not.  We just saved the world.

Iraq was said to be a war for oil.  Did we take the oil?  No, we did not.

I just wish Larry would learn some basic physics and, US history before he posts such nonsense.  He has been doing this for years and, even when corrected by facts, continues to do so.

He still thinks that a pendulum produces O.U.  Come on...really Larry?  He also thinks his Joule Thief circuits produce O.U. and has claimed as much.

There are other topics on here where he posted that pumping water up to a 4 story building produced O.U.  Of course, like all of the other topics, he was proven wrong by folks that know better.

Now he claims we in the US  have flying saucers that are kept secret from the rest of the world.  Larry, we don't need them, we have F-16's and F-35's, and F-14's, and F-104's.  We also have the Saturn 5 technology.  Those really work.  Flying saucers do not.

One more thing Larry, from a physics standpoint, IF we indeed have "aliens" visiting earth...even though it has been proven that the distances would be impossible to have overcome,....the question you should ask yourself is not "where are they from?"  It should be..."When are they from?"  they could be from 100,000 years in the future.  Not 250,000 light years away.

I still like you Lawrence even though we disagree on many things.


Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on November 14, 2015, 08:20:09 AM
Earth to Vulcan in 30 minutes - a possible solution?

this little snippet that was found jammed in the office shredder by an employee of a commercial office cleaning company working at area 51 building 19 some time later after 5pm:
   
Well, I believe it has been stated that Vulcan is about 16 light-years away from Earth, so even if they were going at Warp 9 the entire time (which seems improbable, given what we've been told about travelling at warp speed), it still should've taken them at least three days to get there.

I guess we just have to conclude that in this timeline, Starfleet found a way to make Transwarp drive viable by the mid-23rd century (or something like that).

the shredder ate the rest of the top secret document, though we were able to piece together another damaged inter office memo:

I've often wondered about the proximity of different Federation and non-Federation planets. I get the idea that Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans, and humans are all pretty close together, but no one official has ever made a map, so it's impossible to be sure. One aspect of this question that fascinates me is the three-dimensional nature of everyone's location with respect to everyone else. One way the show made something seem far away was to situate events in the gamma quadrant or the delta quadrant, but there are places in the alpha quadrant that are immensely distant as well. I suspect that much of the alpha quadrant remains a mystery. Since star density and radiation increases as you approach the galactic center, the probability of life going inwards decreases. Indeed, most life must be concentrated in worlds whose stars have circular orbits around the galactic center and are in the outer fringe of the galaxy.


30 minutes to get there, it might take a while, if it is possible to be patient for 235 years until the mid 23rd century.



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 14, 2015, 08:40:22 AM
Earth to Vulcan in 30 minutes - a possible solution?

this little snippet that was found jammed in the office shredder by an employee of a commercial office cleaning company working at area 51 building 19 some time later after 5pm:
   
Well, I believe it has been stated that Vulcan is about 16 light-years away from Earth, so even if they were going at Warp 9 the entire time (which seems improbable, given what we've been told about travelling at warp speed), it still should've taken them at least three days to get there.

I guess we just have to conclude that in this timeline, Starfleet found a way to make Transwarp drive viable by the mid-23rd century (or something like that).

the shredder ate the rest of the top secret document, though we were able to piece together another damaged inter office memo:

I've often wondered about the proximity of different Federation and non-Federation planets. I get the idea that Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans, and humans are all pretty close together, but no one official has ever made a map, so it's impossible to be sure. One aspect of this question that fascinates me is the three-dimensional nature of everyone's location with respect to everyone else. One way the show made something seem far away was to situate events in the gamma quadrant or the delta quadrant, but there are places in the alpha quadrant that are immensely distant as well. I suspect that much of the alpha quadrant remains a mystery. Since star density and radiation increases as you approach the galactic center, the probability of life going inwards decreases. Indeed, most life must be concentrated in worlds whose stars have circular orbits around the galactic center and are in the outer fringe of the galaxy.


30 minutes to get there, it might take a while, if it is possible to be patient for 235 years until the mid 23rd century.

One thing that always fascinated me was....you are traveling in deep space...right?  Suddenly, you meet a Klingon Bird Of Prey ship head on.  Both your ship, and theirs, is facing right side up.  Right side up in relation to what?  How is it these ships are both oriented the same way when they meet?

I was always confused by this.

Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on November 14, 2015, 10:41:53 AM
One thing that always fascinated me was....you are traveling in deep space...right?  Suddenly, you meet a Klingon Bird Of Prey ship head on.  Both your ship, and theirs, is facing right side up.  Right side up in relation to what?  How is it these ships are both oriented the same way when they meet?

I was always confused by this.

Bill

haha ya that is a good point.
a compass wouldn't be as useful.
they would have to somehow know spacial x y and also z axis planes for orientation along with using the constellations as a reference to which way is actually up, if there is supposed to be an upward position in space.
dammit jim, bill, i'm a doctor, not a scientist!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 14, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
Once again, Lawrence shows his ignorance of many things.  A few posts back, he accused the United States of starting wars to take over territory and steal the resources of other nations.



I hate history lessons.  But I thought there were Red Indians before someone took over their territory and stole their resources.  I still remembered that when I went to attend high school in England, their history books never mentioned opium.  The history teacher told us that England was a noble Nation and would never sell opium.  It was communist propaganda...


I took part in the rallies against the Vietnam War in the 1970's?  Was that my imagination?  Was USA so noble that the war was communist propaganda?


Do some Westerners talk about absolute military superiority so that no Nations dare a repeat of history? 


My personal conviction is that modern wealth is the quality and quantity of meaningful economic activities.  My house in Acton, Mass was developed from an apple farm.  The area was 40,000 sq. feet.  The house itself was over 3,000 square foot.  But its value is less than the 800 square foot condo I live in Hong Kong.


I do not think the Chinese people will ever dream of destroying their hard earn prosperity in risking any War.  If they want to be more prosperous, they can just do more 5 year plans and increase the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 14, 2015, 06:34:09 PM
In Physics, at the speed of light, strange things are predicted.


http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_relativity_special.html (http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_relativity_special.html)


1.  The mass becomes infinite.
2.  The Energy Required is infinite.
3.  Time slows (dilates).  A person never gets old.
4.  Length contracts to zero.


The conclusion from textbooks is that travelling at the speed of light is impossible.  There is no point in thinking or speculating about it.


But if there were indeed a process that we do not understand today that allowed travelling at the speed of light, there will be no need to worry about space and time.  Many scientists did not accept Special Relativity until they saw the Atomic Bomb.  They had to accept E = M * C * C.  When space and time are no longer absolute, covering distances of light years at the speed of light takes NO time.


Could there be a process that we do not understand today?

Scientists did not understand the behavior of UFOs but now it is clear that such behavior can be produced via varying circular motion...  A true scientist will not claim that he already knows everything.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 14, 2015, 11:43:16 PM

Now he claims we in the US  have flying saucers that are kept secret from the rest of the world.  Larry, we don't need them, we have F-16's and F-35's, and F-14's, and F-104's.  We also have the Saturn 5 technology.  Those really work.  Flying saucers do not.



The UFOs are seen flying with quick turns, hovering, disappearing into space etc.  If they were developed into weapons, they would wipe out all  F-16's and F-35's, and F-14's, and F-104's.
That is why they are kept as top secret in USA and China.

We all know that we can use or lead-out gravitational energy one time.  But to lead-out continuously, we need some "naturally repeatable motion".  Pendulum oscillation is one example.  Unbalanced wheel rotation is another.  The Pulsing DC current electromagnet is another "natural" repeatable process. 

Leading-out energy one time is easy and well understood.  Leading-out energy continuously has been demonstrated by the QMOGENs, Tsinghua Energy Multiplier, 225 HP Pulse Motor, William Skinner device etc.  USA and Chinese Governments just kept such as top secrets.  Wang Shen He was made a millionaire to keep his mouth shut. 

The person who gave the medicine to cure my stroke said: "Do your research and publish it.  If it does not work, who cares?  Are you afraid of ridicule?  You effectively came back from the dead.  If it works, the World will benefit."

I do not really care how Pirate88179 or others think in this forum.  I know how the professors think at Tsinghua University.  They listened to the late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself on the lead-out energy theory and said that they understood the workings of the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier.  That was a working OU device.  It was top secret but now...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 15, 2015, 12:54:07 AM

I hate history lessons.  But I thought there were Red Indians before someone took over their territory and stole their resources.  I still remembered that when I went to attend high school in England, their history books never mentioned opium.  The history teacher told us that England was a noble Nation and would never sell opium.  It was communist propaganda...


I took part in the rallies against the Vietnam War in the 1970's?  Was that my imagination?  Was USA so noble that the war was communist propaganda?


Do some Westerners talk about absolute military superiority so that no Nations dare a repeat of history? 


My personal conviction is that modern wealth is the quality and quantity of meaningful economic activities.  My house in Acton, Mass was developed from an apple farm.  The area was 40,000 sq. feet.  The house itself was over 3,000 square foot.  But its value is less than the 800 square foot condo I live in Hong Kong.


I do not think the Chinese people will ever dream of destroying their hard earn prosperity in risking any War.  If they want to be more prosperous, they can just do more 5 year plans and increase the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.

Well, it is obvious that you hate history because you sure have not studied it at all.  Your post reveals this.

Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 15, 2015, 05:35:09 AM
Well, it is obvious that you hate history because you sure have not studied it at all.  Your post reveals this.

Bill


History depends on who wrote it.  The white man's point of view would be different from that of the Red Indians.  When Hong Kong was still under British Rule, the textbooks described one view.  The Chinese version showed another.  We were subjected to both.  It was confusing to the youngsters.


You obviously only studied the White Man's version...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 15, 2015, 10:43:18 PM
http://www.shareyouressays.com/110908/10-steps-the-central-government-must-take-to-improve-agriculture-in-india (http://www.shareyouressays.com/110908/10-steps-the-central-government-must-take-to-improve-agriculture-in-india)


The state and central governments of our country should take necessary steps to improve agriculture in India. It is essential to increase the production of food grains and other cash crops. To achieve this aim, a programme was devised through the Five Year Plans.
It included the following:

i. To develop various means of irrigation, so that more land could be brought under agriculture.

ii. To increase the availability of chemical fertilisers at subsidised rates, either through production or through imports.

iii. To develop and produce new hybrid varieties of seeds, which will help in increasing the yield of various crops.

iv. The government would fix a minimum purchase price for various crops every year.

v. To provide adequate and timely loans to farmers, on easy terms, to buy farm machinery and other agricultural items.

vi. To help protect standing crops from pests, diseases and natural hazards, such as floods, droughts and cyclones.

vii. To educate and help farmers through specially developed programmes on radio and television.

viii. To set up demonstration farms, so that the farmers can learn and adopt new, suitable and latest farming techniques.

ix. The government should provide adequate diesel, electricity and water at highly subsidised rates.

x. Encourage the farmers to adopt mixed farming and work in cottage industries in their free time.

This has resulted in increasing the agricultural production in many parts of India. A new package of agricultural practices was introduced in 1967. This package in India is known as the Green Revolution. It was initially introduced to the Indian scientists by Dr Norman Earnest Borlaug in 1963. The yield of dwarf and semi-dwarf varieties of wheat was about four times the yield from local varieties.

*** With lead-out energy flying saucer technology, what is likely to happen?  Should Governments step in to help?  Should there be 5 year plans?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 16, 2015, 03:31:32 AM

History depends on who wrote it.  The white man's point of view would be different from that of the Red Indians.  When Hong Kong was still under British Rule, the textbooks described one view.  The Chinese version showed another.  We were subjected to both.  It was confusing to the youngsters.


You obviously only studied the White Man's version...

Once again Lawrence, you are wrong.  I suppose you must be getting used to it.  There is no "White man's history."  This is the history of what happened before...period.  The red man, as you called them, stole the land from the folks that lived here prior to them.  They captured them and made them slaves.  So, how far back do we need to go?  Because, before that, they took the land from the others living here...and so on.

China is only surviving because they are adopting capitalistic ways.  They realized that their socialism was not working and never would.

I have no idea why you rail against the US Lawrence.  Sure, we are not perfect, no country is.  But name me one other country that has bailed out, or saved as many countries as we have.  You can't?

Figures.


Go back to making up false physics claims.

Bill
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 16, 2015, 01:33:54 PM
Once again Lawrence, you are wrong.  I suppose you must be getting used to it.  There is no "White man's history."  This is the history of what happened before...period.  The red man, as you called them, stole the land from the folks that lived here prior to them.  They captured them and made them slaves.  So, how far back do we need to go?  Because, before that, they took the land from the others living here...and so on.

China is only surviving because they are adopting capitalistic ways.  They realized that their socialism was not working and never would.

I have no idea why you rail against the US Lawrence.  Sure, we are not perfect, no country is.  But name me one other country that has bailed out, or saved as many countries as we have.  You can't?

Figures.


Go back to making up false physics claims.

Bill


That is why I hate history.  It brings back too many sad memories.  You have not been kicked out from a park with the sign "Dogs and Chinese not allowed."

Focusing back on Meaningful Economic Activities is more pleasant...

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 16, 2015, 05:57:14 PM
Love thy enemy as a Meaningful Economic Activity

In the Modern World, the weapons are becoming more and more destructive.  They are bombs that destroy planes and ordinary citizens.  Unfortunately, the statements from Politicians are full of hate and revenge. 

Should we be thinking about - love thy enemy?

Germany and Japan did not become the enemy after the Second World War.  USA helped them to rebuild.  Was that an act of Love Thy Enemy? 

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 17, 2015, 09:50:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHjubg7zTfU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHjubg7zTfU)

The new generation will have their own values.  They must find their own Meaningful Economic Activities.

The one child policy has led to many more men than women.  Many man (many millions) will not be able to find a wife if China insists on one-man-one-woman. 

Many rules and customs are affected by Outside Culture.  But some are forced upon by Internal Necessity.

Fortunately, with the Internet, many intelligent Chinese can raise and discuss the issues.

The China-made UFOs will change many rules and preceptions...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 18, 2015, 12:18:24 AM
In the Modern World, does a rising Nation need to have a military conflict with the existing power?

I think this is the most important question to answer.  This will determine whether China will roll out the lead-out energy flying saucer.

My answer is that Modern Wealth can be increased by increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  There is no need to take over the land or resources of other Nations.  If the rising nation controls its population, there is no excuse (as in the past) to conquer and colonialize.

Japan is showing the World the example of a sinking population.  The former one child policy of China slowed the population growth.  Now the policy is two children.  In the long run, that will allow a slow "replacement growth".  There is no need to take over the land of others.

If USA policy makers accept this view, they can sit back and watch the coming 5 years plans of China.  They already know that some planning is necessary for any Nation (developed or developing) to increase its Meaningful Economic Activities...

With the lead-out energy flying saucer technology, any Nation, including USA, can achieve a double digit growth in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 18, 2015, 10:36:26 PM
Meeting with Bill Fung and TS Lau at Hopewell Center.

Tseung: "I am absolutely sure that some UFOs are man-made.  The UFO seen on Nov 7, 2015 in Southern California is most likely an USA made UFO.  My focus is on defining Meaningful Economic Activities."

Bill: "I shall order the electromagnets and do the proof of concept experiment."

Lau: "Jesse and team will try to record the whole development of the lead-out energy flying saucer."

Tseung: "I shall include Mutual Credits and Special Economic Zones."

Bill: "Refresh my memory."

Tseung: "Mutual Credits is for Country A to give X amount of Country A currency to Country B so that Country B can buy the goods and services of Country A and vice versa.  Country A and Country B can set up Special Economic Zones for each other to invest with special rules."

Bill: "I remember now.  The goods and services do not need to be of the lowest price."

Lau: "If China helps a Country to grow rice and buys most of the results, China can return some farm land to nature.  That Country will learn the best agricultural techniques, have the best machinery and earn money from the crops.  It is a win-win.  Prosperity will be spread to all Nations."

Tseung: "With Mutual Credits, there is no debt.  We can then introduce Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer to the World.  We need to preach Love Thy Enemy.  We must not allow hatred and revenge to destroy the World."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 19, 2015, 02:27:24 AM
The updated presentation.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 19, 2015, 05:42:18 PM
The talk with a Pilipino Domestic Helper.

Helper: "People like me do not have a future.  I cannot even give my only son a proper future."

Tseung: "You work hard.  Save all your money and support your family.  The economy of Philippines is getting better.  You should have hope."

Helper: "My husband has other girls.  I do not blame him.  I have been working in Hong Kong for over fifteen years.  The only time I spent with him was the three week vacation between contracts every two years.  My son is now nearly thirty and do not have a proper job."

Tseung: "Have you thought about going back and spend time with your family?"

Helper: "In Hong Kong, I know I have a job and can earn money.  Some of my friends went back and became miserable.  The family no longer had income.  The family depended on that money from Hong Kong."

Tseung: "The purpose of the two year contract is supposed to provide temporary help.  It is not meant to break up the family."

Helper: "I did not give my son proper care.  The only thing I can do is to keep sending money to support him."

That also happened to China in a different way.  The farmers left the villages to seek work.  Now the Chinese Government is planning to unite the families and let them have a happier and more prosperous future.  Once the Government plans, action will be taken.  Is that the advantage of a stable government and 5 year plans?

Ghost Cities will disappear???

Thinking how to prevent temporary measures turning permanent is a Meaningful Economic Activity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 19, 2015, 11:14:29 PM
Taking care of the disadvantaged

In any society, there will be groups who depend on help.  These include the sick, the disabled, the old and those who met with natural disasters.

Hong Kong is facing the problem of taking care of the old.  Should the help be dependent on need?  Or should there be a universal sum to all senior citizens?  Or should there be some middle ground?  What are the complexities in these cases?

Is this a Meaningful Economic Activity to be discussed?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 19, 2015, 11:24:10 PM
Love thy enemy as a Meaningful Economic Activity

In the Modern World, the weapons are becoming more and more destructive.  They are bombs that destroy planes and ordinary citizens.  Unfortunately, the statements from Politicians are full of hate and revenge. 

Should we be thinking about - love thy enemy?

Germany and Japan did not become the enemy after the Second World War.  USA helped them to rebuild.  Was that an act of Love Thy Enemy?

Some senior citizens said: "Not in my life time."  They still remembered the sufferings in the Second World War.  They still hated Japan.  But most of the Japanese who took part in the War already passed away.

How should we introduce the concept of Love Thy Enemy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 20, 2015, 07:04:18 PM
Some senior citizens said: "Not in my life time."  They still remembered the sufferings in the Second World War.  They still hated Japan.  But most of the Japanese who took part in the War already passed away.

How should we introduce the concept of Love Thy Enemy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b6wSDjBb3E

The teaching from the Bible. 

We can now provide prosperity for everyone on Earth.  There is no need to build happiness on the sufferings of others.  Just increase Modern Wealth.  Love is the greatest virtue. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 20, 2015, 11:01:52 PM
Some senior citizens said: "Not in my life time."  They still remembered the sufferings in the Second World War.  They still hated Japan.  But most of the Japanese who took part in the War already passed away.

How should we introduce the concept of Love Thy Enemy?

Time to forget and forgive the pains from history.  U.K. returned Hong Kong to China.  Almost all Colonies got their independence. 

Tourism enables Nations and Individuals to have contact first hand.  Internet allows instant communication.  Different concepts, traditions, beliefs are undergoing re-examination. 

Is contraception or abortion wrong?
Should we value "give me freedom or give me death"?
Are the genes of some races superior?
Nationalism is good and one must die to defend one's country?
Democracy is the best political system?
One man one wife is the only acceptable marriage system?
There are just no UFOs nor Aliens?
The Bible predicts nuclear conflict between the East and the West?
Love Thy Enemy is just the act of cowards?
Believe the Governments, they know better?
Every Nation must strive to become the lowest cost producer?
Greed is good?

Sometimes it is painful to re-examine one's accepted religion, beliefs or values. 


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 21, 2015, 11:37:02 AM
If I were to advise an African Nation, what would I say?

1.  Consider the Special Economic Zones.  China used them to learn Capitalism, Import, Exports, manufacturing, money as incentive etc.  Check out Shenzhen.  See how a Modern City was built from nothing.  Accept foreign investment and allow them to achieve win-win.  May even consider letting them win more if they will impart knowledge and technology.  The African Nation must be the master of the SEZ.  It is like the student must be the one to learn.  The teacher is only the helper.

2.  The commodity prices are falling.  Use this period to learn as fast as possible.  Talk to China about Mutual Credits.  Seek win-win solutions.  Do not just think in terms of becoming the lowest cost producer.  Some aspects such as real estate, tourism (especially in Special Economic Zones) will be local.  If one mastered building a road, it would be much easier to learn building bridges, dams, railways etc.

3.  Develop 5 year plans.  Let the University Students participate.  Put the draft on Internet and invite International participation.  Apply the 5 year plans in Special Economic Zones first if appropriate.  Treat it as an experiment.  In science, we monitor and learn.  Do not use the politicians' trick of blaming.

4.  Understand Modern Wealth.  Define and increase the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Introduce the best practices, the best thinking and invite comments internationally.  Do not simply copy.

5.  Develop Innovation Centers.  Innovate not just on high technology but on anything that can improve any aspects of society.  Let the citizens participate and feel proud.  These can be both physical and on-line.

Preach Love Thy Enemy.  Develop the self confidence.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 21, 2015, 07:28:56 PM
If China can grow at 6.5% via 5 year plans, can USA do the same?

Some economists say no.  They pointed out that some GDP growth is via Infrastructures.  USA already has under utilized highways and air ports.  Building high speed trains like China does not make sense.  Thus the 5 year plan model is not going to guarantee 6.5% growth.  The growth will have to come from innovation.  Innovation comes with unknowns.

I would like to ask you to think back in the early days of the Internet.  I suggested that it would be the greatest economic engine for the World since the Industrial Revolution.  Am I right?

I would like to predict that the lead-out energy flying saucer technology will lead to the new paradigm.  If USA encourages its development for civilian use, the USA GDP can growth at 6.5% easily.  The USA 5 year plans will include experimental cities; replacement of cars and airports; replacement of fossil fuel power stations; redesigning and resupplying all electrical appliances.  I have not included the replacement of all war planes, ships and other weapons.

I would like to see that the technology is spread to all Nations.  The resulting prosperity will lower the temptation of wars.  There are no permanent friends or enemies in business or politics.  Love Thy Enemies as they will be your friends one day.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 22, 2015, 12:41:59 AM
Is China pursuing the right strategy when it does not announce that it has mastered the lead-out energy flying saucer technology ahead of other Nations?

The upside is some pride.  But it is clear to the Chinese Leaders that USA and may be some other Nations already have the same or similar technology.  It will be a short lived glory.

The downside is the potential preemptive strike by USA.  Such a risk is too much to take.

The alternative is to do the research and development quietly.  Time is on the side of China.  With peace, China can keep rolling out 5 year plans.  Its citizens will become more and more prosperous.  It can introduce concepts of Modern Wealth, Mutual Credits, Super Democracy and achieve win-win with friendly Nations.  It can shelf development in disputed territories.  It can preach Love Thy Enemies.  Its Economic Power will surpass USA in absolute terms.  Its per capital income will rise until it is fully prosperous.  Nationalism will slowly give way to International Brotherhood.

Many Chinese will have to seek wives outside China because of the effect of the one child policy.  Tourism and Inter-racial marriages will be common place. 

An unexpected Nation will announce and demonstrate the lead-out energy flying saucer technology.  Then China will introduce the products...  It is the factory of the World.

It can shelf development in disputed territories.  This is a political decision.  Will the Chinese Leadership do it?  Who are the advisors?

Nationalism will slowly give way to International Brotherhood.  When that happens, where is the dispute?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 22, 2015, 11:18:12 PM
How would you encourage the youngsters to use the Internet effectively and not just wasting time on playing games?

I would suggest that the postings on the Internet will be considered as qualification in applying for jobs.  Governments should take the lead.  Governments should advertise their vacant positions, invite candidates to post, learn from each other and use the postings as one of the criteria to determine hiring.  Soon other private Companies will follow.

The websites or blogs of Individuals will suddenly achieve high standards.  Postings in Public Forums will reach new heights.  Do I need to say more?

Super Democracy requires the citizens to express their views, support others if appropriate and vote on-line on important issues.  This is one way to stimulate movement in that direction...

Love Thy Enemies - even if they are from cyber space.  The postings will be constructive.

Will China be the Nation to take the lead?  Or will it be one of the Developing Nations?  Is this innovation?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 23, 2015, 09:26:12 PM
It is your right to post what you want. You keep it all in one thread so I see no harm in it.

Massive UFO sighting over California recently. Has the leadout energy now been revealed? Or is Jimmy Kimmel up to his old tricks? It's on the front of YouTube so it must be true? Hmmm...

One heck of a weather baloon. Fox recently announced the return of the X-files in January. Viral marketing campaign?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7mNmqJJ10

At the Senior Center, after watching the video, some comments:

Comment 1: "I never believe in UFOs.  But the footage is convincing.  Thousands of people saw it.  There were dozens of postings.  So the event must have happened."

Comment 2: "I am more interested in the beginning of the video.  That dot of light seemed to hover, move randomly with sudden turns and up and down movements.  That behavior is not characteristics of rockets or missiles."

Comment 3: "If you follow up with scientific explanation and proof-of-concept experiments, you will have worldwide attention."

Comment 1: "You sure have my attention."

Tseung: "I believe that USA was telling the World that it has the UFO technology in a low key manner.  My prediction is that when an unexpected Nation announces and demonstrates the UFO technology, USA (and China) will respond with well developed prototypes or products."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 24, 2015, 06:18:04 AM
Research Assistant, Holly, and Mr. Lau at Hong Kong University.  Now the experiment has a home.  The use of one magnet and one coil was not useful as the magnet got attracted to the iron core when there was no current.

Planned to use two iron-core coils.  More research needed...

That photo was taken on Sep 6.  It took us two months to realize that we could buy existing electromagnets.  These are now in Hong Kong, ready for the experiment.  It would be too much to expect success at the first attempt but we hope to learn together.

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 24, 2015, 02:35:27 PM
Question:  What will happen if the proof-of-concept experiment is successful?

If it were not successful, more work needs to be done.  I just need to remember the story of the Harvard Lecture.  If you think you have a great idea, at least 1,000 person have thought of it.  The good thing is that only 10% or 100 person will write it down. The better thing is that only 10% or 10 will act on it.  The best news is that only 10% or 1 person will overcome all difficulties.  Are you the one?

If it were successful, it is time to talk about Modern Wealth, Super Democracy, Love thy enemies together with explaining the technology.  The UFO (or Trident Missile) on Nov 7, 2015 in Southern California has caught the attention of many.  Talking about UFOs and explaining the scientific basis will be accepted.

If Hong Kong were the place to introduce the lead-out energy flying saucer technology, what is likely to happen?  Nobody expects Hong Kong to announce and demonstrate such paradigm shift technologies. USA is extremely unlikely to bomb or do preemptive strikes against Hong Kong.  The World will know about the technology and benefit together.

Is that the Divine Will?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 24, 2015, 10:53:10 PM
Scientific explanation of why the two electromagnet repulsion experiment is successful.

1.  The ferromagnetic material in the electromagnets can be thought of as consisting of many tiny magnets orientated randomly.

2.  When DC current is passed through, these tiny magnets will be orientated to act as a large magnet.

3.  The energy used to align the tiny magnets can be smaller than the resulting magnetic energy of the electromagnet.

4.  We are effectively leading-out or bringing-in the energy already present in the ferromagnetic material to do work.  Thus the Input Energy can be less than the Output Energy.

5.  If we can lead-out such energy one time, we will be able to lead-out such energy many times via circular motion.

6.  The remaining question is - if we use the lead-out energy, how would the energy be replenished?  We know that there is gravitational and electromagnetic energy in all surrounding space.  Can such energy come in to replenish the used energy?

7.  Even if we cannot answer point 6 completely now, the electromagnetic repulsion experiment will still succeed.  It can easily be replicated.

The World can learn together.  Hong Kong can take the lead.  Hopefully, no Nation will bomb and destroy Hong Kong.  With the information in this thread, any Nation or any University can do the proof-of-concept experiment.

Love Thy Enemies .  They will be your friends one day.  History of Colonialism and Slavery must not happen again.  The Colonialists and Slave Masters already rotted in their graves.  There is no need to stir up hate.  Modern Wealth is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Such activities does not need to build on the sufferings of others...

Think International Brotherhood.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 25, 2015, 07:44:08 PM
What is the purpose of the US Navy testing the UFO like missile in Southern California on Nov 7, 2015?

Anyone can post his thoughts on the Internet.

Mine is as follows:

1.  USA knows that China (and Russia) may already have the UFO like technology and may be developing military applications.

2.  The test in populated areas is to tell China (and Russia) that USA is well advanced in such technology.

3.  If USA discloses the details of the lead-out energy flying saucer, the impact on oil prices, war planes, naval vessels, etc. will be too much.

4.  But if an expected Nation announces and demonstrates the technology, USA can say: "I have it as top secret for a long time."  The USA public will be proud. The Democrats will win the Election.

5. The likely response from China (or Russia) and an unexpected Nation will be to announce the technology for non-military use.  Every Nation will be on the competing ground of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.  USA will repeat its success in the Space Race.  The new competitor is likely to be China.

This may work out to be the best scenario for the World.  The new paradigm of unlimited energy and freedom to travel is coming.

Love Thy Enemies.  They will be your friends one day.  History of Colonialism and Slavery must not happen again.  The Colonialists and Slave Masters already rotted in their graves.  There is no need to stir up hate.  Modern Wealth is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Such activities does not need to build on the sufferings of others...

Think International Brotherhood.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 25, 2015, 09:41:54 PM
Who is likely to win in the lead-out energy flying saucer paradigm?

1.  It is clear to me that both USA and China have mastered the basic technology.

2.  Once an unexpected Nation announces and demonstrates the prototype, the competition will go into the open.  (Hong Kong may become the unexpected party.)

3.  China will use its 5 year plans and State Enterprises to drive the development.  There is no lack of capital.  There are no lack of scientists and engineers.  Many Chinese Scientists will see it as opportunity to shine.  China will be viewed as the Innovator Nation.

4.  USA will announce massive programs similar to the Space Race.  It will be a chance to get the GDP up a few percent.  The main objection will be from the oil sector and the Military.  All the Oil Wells, warplanes, Star War Defenses go down the drain.  But I expect these objections will be put aside as the Worldwide Competition heats up.

5.  Other Nations will ignore the politics and race ahead with technology as fast as possible.  This is the best scenario as the technology is put into civilian use.  I expect daily announcement of new breakthroughs and products.  I expect overwhelming news coverage.  I expect experimental cities - probably some International ones.

In reality, everyone wins.  It is like electricity bringing prosperity to all parts of the World.  The important thing is to prevent wars.  We need to preach Love Thy Enemies.  They will become our friends one day.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 26, 2015, 05:45:17 PM
Where to buy the electromagnets?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-DC-55-LB-25kg-Electric-Lifting-Magnet-Electromagnet-Solenoid-Lift-Holding-/330834082072

The example electromagnet is made in China.

Price is less than USD14.00 each.  Two will be needed.

Can an average university do the proof-of-concept experiment?

Equipment list:
1.  Digital Oscilloscope to measure Input Power
2.  12V DC power supply to power electromagnet
3.  Two electromagnets to do repulsion experiment
4.  Tube with slit to guide the electromagnet jumping up
5.  Set up to measure the height reached
6.  Electric circuit to achieve electromagnet repulsion
7.  Video equipment to videotape experiment

Total equipment cost expected to be less than USD1,000.  If University already has items 1, 2 and 7, cost drops to less than USD50.

Many will wait for the confirmed results from top Universities.  Most professors do not like to be laughed at by colleagues that they work on UFOs or Perpetual Motion Machines.

Some may have already ordered the electromagnets and are performing the proof-of-concept experiments.  There is no way for USA or China to stop such academic research.  The lead-out energy flying saucer race is ON.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 26, 2015, 07:35:12 PM
Comment from an Indian Friend.

Friend: "China is sharing its high speed rail technology with many Countries.  That may be obsolete if the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology is real."

Tseung: "That is the nature of technological progress.  The next version of Iphone will be better.  Should Apple promote and sell this version now?"

Friend: "There is no preventing India working on the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer NOW."

Tseung: "Correct.  Politicians prefer to play safe.  They will not talk about it until someone else has demonstrated a working prototype.  Even if the proof-of-concept experiments worked."

Friend: "The Indian Mentality is different.  India in now a force in software and innovation.  Innovative ideas will get support.  You can be sure that some Indian Scientists are already working on the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer."

Tseung: "I know that you personally funded the Milkovic two stage oscillator in the past and are funding QMOGENs now.  I am sure that you will fund the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer development.  China and USA will expect India as a serious competitor."

Friend: "India does not want to imitate China as the Lowest Cost Producer.  India wants to go on the higher level of the food chain.  Thus India focuses on Software and Innovation.  You will see another worthy competitor."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 26, 2015, 11:40:57 PM
Love Thy Enemies.  They will be your friends one day.  History of Colonialism and Slavery must not happen again.  The Colonialists and Slave Masters already rotted in their graves.  There is no need to stir up hate.  Modern Wealth is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Such activities do not need to build on the sufferings of others...

Think International Brotherhood.

From a Westerner:
Our biggest fear is that China might become the new Colonialist and Slave Master.  Our ancestors killed the Natives and created USA, Canada, Australia, etc.  We do not want that fate.  We need absolute superiority, especially militarily.

You are preaching Love Thy Enemy.  How can we be sure that all Chinese think alike.  The Lead-out energy flying saucer technology potentially can wipe out our military superiority.  We can have it but nobody else should have it.  It is self-preservation.

But if there are indeed Aliens from Outer Space, the story will be different.  The Aliens definitely have technical superiority.  We need to catch up as quickly as possible.  Otherwise they might Colonialize and Enslave us (as in the Movie - Independence Day).  Any help from China, India, Japan, etc. will be appreciated.  You will all be our friends.

We shall think International Brotherhood.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 27, 2015, 01:42:54 AM
Why China can rise peacefully?

I watched many youtube videos claiming that China cannot rise peacefully.

My thoughts are different.  China can rise peacefully.

1.  China will not destroy its hard earned prosperity with any war - conventional or nuclear.
2.  China has accepted the undeniable - USA, Canada, Australia etc. no longer belong to the Natives such as the Red Indians.  The persons who colonialize and enslave already rotted in their graves.
3.  China has learned capitalism and improved it to State Capitalism.   State Enterprises have more resources than the private Multinationals.
4.  China has demonstrated that the 5 year plans are more effective than Liberal Market Economy.  Some well researched planning is better than no planning.
5.  The population of China, even with the new 2 child policy, will not grow to a point that China needs to get new Land or Resources.  Resources can be obtained via Trade.
6.  China has become the Factory of the World.  China's Economy will be number one in absolute terms in the foreseeable future.  Selling more of the products to its own people will be the economic engine rather than exports.
7.  China can introduce new concepts such as Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth, Super Democracy, Love thy Enemy, etc. to promote good will.  Nations will look for success as their Model.
8.  China has mastered the lead-out energy flying saucer technology.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor was funded by Hong Kong, developed in USA and explained at Tsinghua University in 2006.  Millions of new jobs will be created when all power stations, electrical appliances, cars, planes, infrastructures need to be improved and replaced.

If Hong Kong announces and demonstrates the proof-of-concept experiment, all Nations will jump in and the knowledge will be spread and shared.  No Nation will have the superiority that allow it to Conquer and Enslave other Nations.  Nations such as USA and its allies will finally admit the advantages of some State Planning and plot out 5 year plans to ensure fast growth in the coming years.  The growth will be led by advances in the Lead-out energy flying saucer technology sector.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 27, 2015, 12:55:38 PM
Had lunch with a group who helped to draft the 5 year plans of China.

Tseung: "Do you think China will achieve the goals of the coming 5 year plan?"

Consultant A: "I am confident about the Infrastructure part.  The New Railways, Subways, Highways, Bridges, Buildings etc. will add to the GDP no matter what happens to the World Economy."

Consultant B: "The workers can now bring their children to the cities they work and get proper education.  This will add value to the real estate market in Cities.  Some of the Ghost Cities will disappear.  There will be no property bubble.  The proper education will add to the hidden GDP of China."

Tseung: "China can deal with Real Estate in ways totally foreign to the West.  China can just encourage people to move to Ghost Cities with jobs, money and other incentives.  Spending billions is not an issue.  The idle assets can now be effectively used.  The private sector cannot do that."

Consultant B: "The social service sector will progress as planned.  It will not be affected by any economic ups and downs.  China does not worry about food shortages for a long time now.  In fact, the Government is worried about how to store the excess and the over production.  More marginal crop land will be returned to Nature."

Consultant A: "The trade with Africa and other Developing Nations is expected to rise at the planned pace of double digits.  China will get its needed source of raw materials and food.  The win-win scenario will continue."

Consultant C: "China will not start any war with its neighbors.  I think the leadership is keenly aware of the importance of peace and harmony.  Border issues can be left for the next generation.  I like your concept of International Brotherhood."

Tseung: "How about lead-out energy flying saucer technology?"

Consultant A: "That is not in the plan.  But it will be a bonus.  If it were true, the coming 5 year plan will be a guaranteed success."

Consultant B: "The thousands of new graduates will be delighted at the opportunity to use their skills.  They will have a chance to implement Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth, Super Democracy, Love Thy Enemy and any other innovative ideas that may come along.  I can see an extremely bright future for China."

Tseung: "The economic engine roars on..."

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 28, 2015, 02:39:45 AM
Will the economic growth of China slow down similar to Taiwan, South Korea and Japan?

The main argument is that as the Nation gets more prosperous, there are fewer need for new infrastructures.  That will drop the GDP growth by some percentage points.  When citizens already have 3 pairs of shoes, the temptation to buy more will decrease. Consumption will have to be boosted up artificially via advertising.

In a State Directed Economy with Super Democracy, there can be new rules.  All Citizens can post their needs or views.  The State can then channel resources in such directions.  With Liberal Market Economy, the Natural Outcome is the creation of Bubbles.  With State Directed Economy, so long as there are top economists monitoring the situation, the bubbles will be busted before much harm is done.

Another argument is that as the Nation gets more prosperous, the citizens will naturally slow down and seek more entertainment and a higher quality of life.  In a State Directed Economy, the State can motivate.  In USA, the Space Race directed much resources to science and technology.  In China, one major success was the 2008 Olympics.  Some critics said that too much money was spent.  I and many others regarded the money was well worth it.  The many gold medals and the infrastructures to support it are very Meaningful Economic Activities.

In the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Race, China is expected to pour in vast resources via the State Enterprises.  Mom and Pa Startups or garage mechanics are not expected to be able to compete.  The private Companies or Defense Contractors focusing on profits have a slightly better chance.  All Nations are expected to print money for such research if needed.  The West is likely to have another High Technology Bubble.  Who can manage this Bubble better?

My prediction is that the GDP growth of China will go back to double digits when the Race starts.  Many other Nations will see similar growth. The Economists will re-work their spreadsheets.  This Forum will see surge of activity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 28, 2015, 09:28:54 AM
The news headline:

PRADA, MIU MIU and GUCCI cut their price as much as 50%.  The reason is slow sales in China.  After the price cut, a PRADA handbag still sells for more than USD1,000.

The manufacturing cost of the handbag is probably less than USD50. 

The reason for such a huge markup is the Vanity of the Consumer.  She wants to show that she also "made it."  The newspaper article attributed the slow sale to the Wealthy growing tired of showing off.  It also said that the ant-corruption campaign made Officials fearful of expensive gifts.

What are the Meaningful Economic Activities that will replace such vanity products?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 28, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_eqfe-4DyQ

Are such UFO stories believable?

Are they man-made?  That incident occurred in 1980. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 03:20:24 AM
From the ebook innovation.doc first written in 1980

One of the things that sank into his soul was the Silicon Valley Mentality.  There are five major characteristics of this Mentality.

1. Whatever we want to achieve, or have already achieved, is only third class.  We have to turn it into second or first class.  When we pass the thing to you, you should treat that as only third class and seek to improve it to second or first class.  When you pass it back to us, we shall treat it as third class again.  This Mentality will cause us to become better and better.

2.  When a problem is passed to us, either we crack the problem or the problem cracks us.  This Mentality causes us to concentrate and overcome all possible obstacles.

3.  We are the Gods.  We can change or make any new rule.  This Mentality will force us to think outside the box.  We will not be bounded by past experience or traditions.

4.  We shall not find excuses for our failures.  If we disclose our failures, the World can learn and benefit from our failures.  In the innovative society, we shall do many things which our predecessors have never done before.  This Mentality helps us to face challenges.  We shall not fear the possibility of failure.

5.  Finally, if there is something we do not know now, we shall know it tomorrow.  The internet has brought the World Libraries to us. This Mentality helps us to overcome the doubts created by our own limitations.  We do not need to worry about anything.

Tseung promoted this Silicon Valley Mentality among his many friends and colleagues.  He emphasized that this is the difference between Western Culture and the traditional Chinese Culture of humility.

*** There are over 900 downloads of the ebook in overunityresearch.com under the bench of ltseung888.  The ebook was translated into Vietnamese.  This interpretation of the Silicon Valley Mentality will fuel the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Race.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 06:03:11 AM
Quality of Life.

I go swimming almost everyday.  I now use Public Swimming pools where any person can pay a small fee to get in and swim.  I used to swim in a Club swimming pool.  When I was in USA, I sometimes swam in the private pool of my brother-in-law.

I enjoy swimming in all places.  That gives me quality of life.  For a Nation such as China, which option is most Meaningful?

Should China encourage all three?  Should more emphasis be put on Public pools?  Or should more emphasis be put on Club pools?

One comment from a fellow swimmer: "China should focus on Club Pools.  China needs to reward those who make it.  Club pools give the status or vanity.  There should still be some public pools for everyone and some individual ones for the super rich.  Many Hong Kong apartment complexes have swimming pools for residents and guests only."

Are swimming pools regarded as part of GDP?  Should they be part of the 5 year plans?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 07:20:20 AM
On going experiment at Hong Kong University.

1. The two round electromagnets are put inside a tube with a slit on the side to let the wires from the electromagnets to come out. 
2. With no current, Electromagnet B sits on top of Electromagnet A.
3. When DC current is passed in the proper manner, Electromagnet B will jump up the tube with the loose wire.  The Output Energy Eout is the potential energy (mgh).
4. The Input Energy Ein is the Electrical Energy from the DC Pulse.  It can be measured with a Digital
 Oscilloscope.
5. The Experiment tries to determine whether Eout can be greater than Ein under appropriate conditions.
6. The scientific explanation is that Ein aligns the tiny magnets in the ferromagnetic material of the electromagnets, turning them into strong magnets.  This is the source of the lead-out energy.  Thus there is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.

The full results will be in a scientific report that can be replicated Worldwide.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 09:57:17 AM
Concept of Fields and Energy

1.  Any mass is affected by Gravitational Fields.  If the mass moves or other surrounding masses move, the Gravitational Field will change.  Gravitational energy can be gained by such movements.

2.  Electric field can move positively or negatively charged objects.  Electric Energy can be gained by movement of the charged object or changes in Electric field.

3. Magnets always have a North Pole and a South Pole.  A tiny magnet can move along the direction of the magnetic flux.  Its energy can be changed with changes in the Magnetic Field.  DC current can lead-out the magnetic energy of the tiny magnets in ferromagnetic materials.

4.  Electromagnetic waves radiate from any object.  They are everywhere including vacuum or any position in space.  Objects receive and radiate such energy (black body radiation). 

5. If we can lead-out the above energies to use, we do not need to use fossil fuel.

We always know that we can use gravitational energy one time (e.g. hydroelectric dams).  The electromagnet repulsion experiment will show that we can lead-out the magnetic energy of the tiny magnets of the ferromagnetic materials.  Unbalanced Circular Motion will allow us to use such energy continuously.  The Physics is described here.

The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Race is on.  USA Navy showed its version on Nov 7, 2015 over Southern California.  We need to preach Love Thy Enemies to enable the development in peace...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on November 29, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
Concept of Fields and Energy

1.  Any mass is affected by Gravitational Fields.  If the mass moves or other surrounding masses move, the Gravitational Field will change.  Gravitational energy can be gained by such movements.

2.  Electric field can move positively or negatively charged objects.  Electric Energy can be gained by movement of the charged object or changes in Electric field.

3. Magnets always have a North Pole and a South Pole.  A tiny magnet can move along the direction of the magnetic flux.  Its energy can be changed with changes in the Magnetic Field.  DC current can lead-out the magnetic energy of the tiny magnets in ferromagnetic materials.

4.  Electromagnetic waves radiate from any object.  They are everywhere including vacuum or any position in space.  Objects receive and radiate such energy (black body radiation). 

5. If we can lead-out the above energies to use, we do not need to use fossil fuel.

We always know that we can use gravitational energy one time (e.g. hydroelectric dams).  The electromagnet repulsion experiment will show that we can lead-out the magnetic energy of the tiny magnets of the ferromagnetic materials.  Unbalanced Circular Motion will allow us to use such energy continuously.  The Physics is described here.

The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Race is on.  USA Navy showed its version on Nov 7, 2015 over Southern California.  We need to preach Love Thy Enemies to enable the development in peace...

yes, rather than bombs, drop science books on them instead, and maybe some pizza.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 02:45:09 PM
Gross domestic product 2014, PPP         
         
                         (millions of
Ranking      international dollars)
         
1      China    18,030,932
2      United States    17,419,000
3      India    7,393,076
4      Japan    4,630,941
5      Russian Federation    3,745,157
6      Germany    3,689,840
7      Brazil    3,263,866
8      Indonesia    2,676,109
9      France    2,571,970
10      United Kingdom    2,524,728

ppp is the controversial Purchasing Power Parity.  With that index, the Chinese GDP was increased by 50%.  Without that index, China will take 5-10 years to have a total GDP (in exchange rate terms) greater than USA.

With the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer race, all Nations will see a higher GDP growth.  Will all experience a more prosperous life?  Do the GDP numbers matter?

I am sure that there will be a surge of scientific discussions in the coming weeks and months.  The UFO like missile from the USA Navy on Nov 7, 2015 will be seriously analyzed.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 06:39:15 PM
The Nov 7, 2015 UFO like missile fired by US Navy is a lead-out energy flying saucer?

It showed the characteristics of an UFO - hover, sudden turns, up and down motion.  That can be generated by the unequal angular velocity of magnets in multiple UFO engines.  The unequal angular velocity will lead-out magnetic energy.

The design in reply 1 of this thread can do that.  USA has the 225 HP Pulse Motor funded by Hong Kong before 2006.  The chance of successfully developing a lead-out energy flying saucer by now is extremely high.

The purpose of demonstrating in populated areas is to tell the competitors (China, Russia?) that USA has mastered the technology and has applied it militarily.

My suggestion is for Hong Kong to announce the result of the electromagnet repulsion experiment and let it be replicated Worldwide.  The whole academic world will talk about lead-out energy.  Resources will be poured to repeat the experiment, the 225 HP pulse motor, the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier etc..  Some QMOGENs from many Nations will show undeniable success.  China can then safely show its version of the UFO.

China can then share the technology internationally.  USA will have no excuse to do a preemptive strike and will join in the race.  Other Nations will jump in.

I shall be able to see an actual lead-out energy flying saucer on TV (and hopefully in person) before resting in my grave.  (Lee Cheung Kin pasted away a bit too early.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2015, 11:07:21 PM
How would I advise the USA Government?

I worked in USA for over 20 years and holds a USA passport. 

My advice is:

1.  Go for the crown jewel. Develop the lead-out energy flying saucer that can go to the moon and come back.  This achievement will overshadow all others.  This is the Gold Medal of the Race.

2.  Develop Experimental Cities to handle large number of flying saucers.  The default transport is the family flying saucer and not the car.  Much sophisticated infrastructure and control systems are needed.

3.  Specify that initially, this is regarded as an Industry vital to USA security and National Interest.  USA Government will buy products from USA made parts and USA factories.  The new (high paid?) jobs will be generated in USA and not out sourced.

4.  Set up a special agency to co-ordinate efforts similar to NASA.  Get all the top Universities involved.  Tell the US Citizens that this Race must be won.  Money poured into this venture is well worthwhile.

5.  Play down the war and anti-terrorists activities.  Preach International Brotherhood with USA as the noble, caring and capable Big Brother.  China is just another Brother and a good competitor.  USA welcomes and enjoys fair competition.  USA respects such competitors.  All Nations are welcome in this Race.

I think the above points make me worthy of my US Citizenship and US pensions.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 12:00:13 AM
Possible Interview Questions

1.  Do you believe in UFOs?

2.  Do you believe that some of the UFOs are man-made?

3.  What is the reason for USA to keep the technology top secret?

4.  What is the reason for China to keep the technology top secret?

5.  Can you design an UFO?

6.  What is Lead-out Energy?  Does a Lead-out Energy Machine violate the Law of Conservation of Energy?

7.  Can an unexpected Nation such an African Nation develop the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology?

8.  What would happen to the Power Stations, Roads, airports and electrical appliances if the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is fully developed?

9.  What are the new thinking that needs to be introduced in the Lead-out energy flying saucer era?

10.  Do you believe that some Aliens from Outer Space are already on Earth?

11. What should be our attitude towards the Alien if indeed they are amongst us?

12.  Do you think that your postings will benefit Humanity?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 12:07:28 AM
1.  Do you believe in UFOs?

Yes.  I do.  UFOs are Unidentified Flying Objects.  They have different characteristics from the aircraft, weather balloons, birds and other objects that we are familiar with.  Some of these characteristics include hovering, sharp turns, disappearing suddenly and flying into outer space.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 12:21:25 AM
2.  Do you believe that some of the UFOs are man-made?

Yes.  I do.  There have been thousands of sightings.  One of the latest ones is the one on Nov 7, 2015 in Southern California seen and recorded by thousands.  The US Navy claimed that it was their Trident Missile fired from a submarine.  However, that missile showed characteristics of an UFO.

I also believe China has developed some versions of UFO.  There was a youtube video titled UFO in Nanjing in 2006.  It showed an UFO hovering and then flew away in the skies of Nanjing.

The Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself presented our Lead-out Energy theory at Tsinghua University in 2006 and some discussions were directed to the subject of UFOs.  However, my present design of an UFO engine was thought out this summer of 2015.

Once I finished my design, I know that many Nations have the capability to build them.  Some Nations, including USA and China have definitely built them.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 12:32:13 AM
3.  What is the reason for USA to keep the technology top secret?

This technology can potentially wipe out the military advantage of USA.  The UFO can maneuver much better and faster than all warplanes.  It does not need to carry fuel and thus can remain in space for a long time.  It can do sharp turns or fly into space to beat the missiles or anti-missiles.

It can carry the deadly nuclear weapons.  All the Star War Defenses of today are useless against it.

The Lead-out Energy portion potentially replaces fossil fuels.  The impact to the Oil Industry and US Dominance will be huge.

USA does not want to face the same fate as its forefathers do to the Red Indians.  It wants supreme military dominance.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 06:17:32 AM
4.  What is the reason for China to keep the technology top secret?

China is aware of the Military Implications.

The rapid economic growth of China does not rely on this technology.

China is developing the technology as top secret.  China fears a preemptive strike by USA. 

If an unexpected Nation discloses the technology, China will participate in the Race.

It is likely that Hong Kong will disclose the technology first.  The disclosure will come with the new concepts of Mutual Credits, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy, Super Silicon Valley Mentality etc.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 06:18:50 AM
5.  Can you design an UFO?

See reply 1 of this thread.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 09:02:34 AM
6.  What is Lead-out Energy?  Does a Lead-out Energy Machine violate the Law of Conservation of Energy?

There is energy in our surrounding environment.  Examples are air, gravitational, electromagnetic, magnetic and energy of the atom.  For example, we can use gravitational energy one time (rock rolling down the hill).  To use gravitational energy all the time, we need some mechanism to repeat the set up.  For example, we need the sun to evaporate the water, come down as rain and refill a dam.  A shorter cycle will be the tide. 

One question is whether we can pulse a pendulum horizontally and bring-in some gravitational energy.  The Milkovic two stage pendulum as shown on youtube appear to indicate that it is possible.

Another question is whether we can use a small amount of DC electrical energy to align the tiny magnets in ferromagnetic materials to produce a much stronger magnet.  The resulting output energy from the electromagnet may be more than the input electrical energy.  This particular experiment is being performed and is expected to be verified at Hong Kong University.

In a Lead-out Energy, X units of Input Energy is used to lead-out Y units of surrounding energy.  Thus the effective Input Energy to the machine is X+Y units.  If there were no losses, the Output Energy will be equal to X+Y units.  Y units of the Output Energy can be used to do work. X Units can be fed back to Input and lead out another Y units of energy.  Such a machine does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.

Many such machines have been claimed. Examples include the 225 HP Pulsed Motor funded by Hong Kong, the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier, the QMOGENs, the Newman Machine, the William Skinner Machine, etc.  They have not reached mainstream due to lack of funding or deliberate government suppression.

(Show some videos and pictures).
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 09:15:58 AM
7.  Can an unexpected Nation such an African Nation develop the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology?

Yes.  The proposed design in reply 1 of this thread laid out the basic principle.

The net thrust in any direction can be produced via the difference in angular velocity of a magnet at two different positions. 

The Pulse Coils provides Input Energy via Electrical Input E1 and via the lead-out magnetic energy E2.  The Collector Coils collect the sum (E1 + E2) as Output Energy and use it to do work.  Some of the Output Energy can be fed back to the Pulse Coils as described in Lead-out Energy Machines.

Some of the UFO sightings can be attributed to man-made UFOs using such scientific principles.  An African Nation with supportive government willing to overcome objections from the mainstream scientists can carry out the research and development.  There will be no suppression from USA or Chinese Governments.

In particular, they can do the proof-of-concept experiment as performed at Hong Kong University.

(Show picture and results?)
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 10:39:14 AM
8.  What would happen to the Power Stations, Roads, airports and electrical appliances if the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is fully developed?

There are two ways to do it.

One way is free for all with no planning.  The Power Stations and Companies would probably collapse.  Some people with their own free energy generators will not mind.  Those who have not migrated to free energy generators will suffer.  There will be confusion. 

Another way is for State Planning and do systematic transformation.  The State can buy up all Power Stations and guide the transformation.  There will be special economic zones to test the new paradigm. There will be gradual expansion of these special economic zones.  The Citizens will see that they can all benefit from the technology.  If they want to benefit faster, they can move to the special economic zones.  The 5 year plans will target GDP growth of double digits.

Which Nations will go for the first way?  Which Nations will go for the second way?
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 10:47:09 AM
9.  What are the new thinking that needs to be introduced in the Lead-out energy flying saucer era?

Some of the new concepts include: Mutual Credits, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy, Super Silicon Valley Mentality, Modern Wealth, Love Thy Enemies.

(Read the ebook in overunityresearch.com under ltseung888 titled innovate.doc and the articles in this thread).

There will be many special scientific and economic forums internationally.  These will likely take place before the Lead-out Energy Products are widely available. The Nations taking a controlled and planned approach are likely to discuss more before action.  Concepts before action.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 10:57:57 AM
10.  Do you believe that some Aliens from Outer Space are already on Earth?

I believe that we have a long way to go before we can claim we really understand Physics and Science.  The UFO design is a simple illustration.  The Physics is actually very simple once understood.  Why do the mainstream scientists fail to grasp it for so many decades?  One explanation is deliberate government suppression but that cannot be the whole explanation.

If we have a long way to go, what is stopping other more advanced civilizations already ahead on the Scientific Path.  What we think of impossible now will not be impossible with new understanding and advances.  We are like the scholars before the Industrial Revolution.  Telling them that they can see and hear events thousands of miles away will meet with ridicule...

I can design an UFO now.  The possibility of some Aliens already accomplished it and landed on Earth cannot be ruled out.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 11:10:41 AM
11. What should be our attitude towards the Aliens if indeed they are amongst us?

Learn and treat them with respect.  But do not learn like a kindergartener.  The Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin said that we should not just accept the words or even teachings.  We need to use the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class.  We are the ones to turn it to second or first class (even if the it is from Aliens.)

We need to foster International Brotherhood as soon as possible.  Some may treat the Aliens as potential enemies.  Time to learn to Love Thy Enemies...
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 11:39:17 AM
12.  Do you think that your postings will benefit Humanity?

Yes.  My Church friends told me to follow Divine Guidance.  Pray and do what feels right.  Men have their weaknesses; fears; uncertainties; doubts; frustrations; greed; vanity; hesitations; despairs etc.

Some fellow scientists insisted that one should only post when one is absolutely sure.  The posts should only contain results that have been experimentally verified.  Anything less is misguidance.

I like the comments from Prof. Dennis Leung of Hong Kong University.  His comments were that we should do proof-of-concept experiments that were simple and could be verified Worldwide.  All the posts should be regarded as “pass time” from an old, retired person.  The real value and benefits will come when the proper scientific report is published…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2015, 11:57:43 PM
Question: If the Electromagnet Repulsion experiment is successful, the one time overunity (COP>1) is confirmed and verified beyond a shadow of doubt, can useful machines be developed?

If the experiment is successful, the lead-out energy theory will be verified in this particular case.  In other words, a small Electric DC energy can align the tiny magnets in the ferromagnetic material to produce a very strong magnet to do work.  The Output Potential Energy is the sum of the Input Electrical Energy and the Lead-out Magnetic Energy. 

The next logical question is - can we use circular motion to do the same thing?

The post in reply 1 of this thread (posted in June reposted here) already provided the answer.  The Pulsed Drive Coil is essentially the small Electric DC Energy Input supply.  The straight line up and down path is changed to circular.  The Collector Coils turn the Input DC electrical Energy PLUS the Lead-out Magnetic Energy into useful Output Electrical Energy.  The additional bonus is the Net Thrust turning the set up into an UFO engine.

The 225 HP Pulse Motor developed in USA, funded by Andrew Wong of Hong Kong (Jupiter fund), explained by the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself at Tsinghua University in 2006 is a working example.  All Nations should repeat the Hong Kong University experiment and then proceed to do the one slice 225 HP Pulse Motor experiment.  That will lead to numerous applications of the Lead-out Energy Flying Sauce theory.

The Race is ON.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 02, 2015, 12:10:40 AM
If the USA and Chinese Governments know about the 225 HP Pulse Motor in 2006, what is the possibility of their developing UFOs successfully by now (2015)?

Anyone want to make a guess?  Anyone want to bet?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 02, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
How should Hong Kong handle the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology?

1.    Monitor the progress of the Scientific Report on the Electromagnet Repulsion Experiment.  This is expected to be a formal endorsement of the Lead-out Energy Theory. 

2.    Encourage multiple groups at Universities and private Organizations to do the experiment even before the formal publication of the Scientific Report.  Hong Kong Citizens pride themselves as fast acting.

3.    Get the support of the News Media.  The Headline that Hong Kong can design an UFO will get attention.  Co-ordinate this with the multiple results in 2 and the Scientific Report in 1.

4.    The New Department of Innovation and Technology was formed in November 2015.  Its involvement will cause excitement.  Get the Hong Kong Government and Politicians involved.

5.   Re-publish the story of the 225 HP Pulse Motor that was developed in USA, funded by Jupiter Fund of Hong Kong and explained at Tsinghua University in 2006.

6.    Put great emphasis on why USA and China kept the technology as top secret.  Discuss the UFO like missile on Nov 7, 2015 seen by thousands in Southern California.  Talk more about the UFO youtube video in 2006 at Nanjing.

7.    Start organizing academic and business forums and conferences.  Invite International participation.  Have full sets of the proof-of-concept experiment ready to loan out.  Start the competition on the implementation of the UFO as outlined in reply 1 of this thread.

8.    Formally introduce the concepts of Modern Wealth, Meaningful Economic Activities, Mutual Credits, Super Silicon Valley Mentality, Super Democracy, Love Thy Enemies, International Brotherhood, etc.  Start Forums to discuss such issues.

9.    Introduce the concept of an Experimental City to implement Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers.  Introduce pollution free energy, Freedom from the Electric Grid, UFO motion objects, QMOGENs, etc.  Get the Hong Kong Citizens feel proud that they can lead this technology.  Hong Kong can become an Innovation Center in addition to tourism and finance.

10.   Use the financial strength of Hong Kong.  Start an International Investment Fund to handle this venture.  Get some niche products out as soon as possible.

*** Similar steps can be taken by many other Nations.  The Race is ON.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 02, 2015, 08:51:23 PM
How should Hong Kong promote International Brotherhood?

The most convincing way to promote anything is to show success.  For example, when USSR collapsed after the Cold War, USA emerged as the only super power.  US politicians claimed that it was democracy and capitalism that would bring prosperity.  The World listened.  Very few people possess the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class.  They just believed that the USA model was the best.

Singapore provided a new success story.  Singapore has elections but is effectively a one-party Nation,  The State participated in every aspect of the Society - including the ban on chewing gums.  China followed that model and the success has been phenomenal.  The Developing Nations now look favorably to this new model.

It is success that will inspire.  If Hong Kong were to preach International Brotherhood, it must demonstrate success.  The success of the proof-of-concept experiment will propel Hong Kong to new heights.  Hong Kong can immediately introduce the idea of International Brotherhood/Sisterhood by inviting International participation in this Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Research and Development.

Hong Kong can set up an International Investment Fund inviting all Nations to participate.  The participation will take the form of some investment capital, academic conferences, business forums emphasizing on International Partnership.  Every Nation is encouraged to own a piece of this Investment Fund.  The decisions will be via Internet Forums and voting.  The votes may vary with the amount of Investment but every Nation is guaranteed a "voice" and a vote.   There will be a cap on how many votes a Nation can have no matter the amount of investment.  This will overcome the drawback of Rich Nations dominating the Decision Making.  This will have the elements of Super Democracy.

The research results will be shared.  The testing will be shared.  The profits from the products will be shared.  The conferences or forums will be "hosted" by various joint Nations or some topics will be assigned to different joint Nations.  The goal is to make every Nation feel that they have a part to play. 

The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is to bring prosperity to all.  All are Brothers and Sisters.  There will be new knowledge; new wealth; new way of doing things and new attitudes.  Every individual in every Nation is born equal and has the right to achieve his/her best without doing harm to others. 
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 02, 2015, 11:32:03 PM
More on International Brotherhood/Sisterhood

The Hong Kong initiated International Investment Fund can order one of each important product related to the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology from every Nation and give that to another Nation as a gift.  This will ensure that every Nation is capable of producing every important product.

The first product can be a full set of apparatus to do the electromagnet repulsion experiment.  A Nation can buy parts from another Nation and add its own favor.  It can include its own Country Map or other innovations.  Every Nation is expected to treat the Hong Kong Prototype as third class and improve it to second or first class.  Every Nation will use its best talent even if it produces only one sample.  The National pride will be stimulated.

Will that be a good thing to lead to International Brotherhood/Sisterhood?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 03, 2015, 01:54:22 AM
How should Hong Kong promote Mutual Credits?

The Hong Kong initiated International Investment Fund can set its shares at the equivalent of USD1 million per share.  Each Share will have the equivalent of 1 voting right.  The cap is 10 voting rights.  Even if a Nation invests more than USD10 million, it can only have 10 voting rights.

In addition, a Nation can use Mutual Credits with this Fund.  A Nation can provide its own currency to the equivalent of USD1 million to gain 1 share.  The Fund can use this Nation's Currency to order products from this Nation.  Essentially, the Fund does not need to come up with any of its own reserve to get the goods and give them as gifts to other Nations.  If a Nation wants to have more than 1 share, it will have to supply hard currency.  Thus the Fund will have actual working capital.

After the Fund has been established for awhile and gained reputation, the Fund can be open to Institutional and wealthy investors.  The Fund is expected to be extremely profitable as it is associated with the new technology and can invest in almost any country.  The good will and Meaningful Economic Activities will generate profits.  The dividends will be high.  The Shares will then be tradable.  Additional shares will first be offered to the Nations.

At the same time, the Fund can teach and promote Mutual Credits.  It can rely on the support of wealthy Nations such as China.  China can have a Mutual Credit arrangement with Nation A of an amount equal to X.  The experiment and experience can be monitored and promoted by the Fund.  Nation A will incur no debt and has X amount to buy goods and services from China.  China has X amount to invest in Nation A especially in the Special Economic Zones.  The win-win will provide a faster GDP growth for both Nations.

The Fund may even play a management role and earn fees to negotiate, set up, monitor, promote and manage such Mutual Credit Arrangements.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 03, 2015, 11:31:56 AM
More on Mutual Credits.

The experience from Hong Kong, Singapore, Shenzhen and other cities is that the value of Real Estate can increase many times as the City is developed.  Citizens become wealthier. This is generally true when Land is limited.  With Special Economic Zones (SEZs), the Land available for development is artificially restricted.

Assume a Rich Country A has a Mutual Credit arrangement with a Developing Country B.  Country B can buy needed goods and services from Country A and speed up its development.  Country A can use the Country B Currency from the arrangement to invest in Real Estate Development in the SEZs of Country B.  The Hotels, Office Buildings, Shopping Centers, Residential Apartments, Sports facilities will appreciate in value rapidly.  Country A will not feel that it is holding worthless currency.  It is a win-win.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 03, 2015, 05:57:07 PM
What is Super Democracy?  Why is it better than Democracy?

The important thing for any Nation is to get competent people to run the Nation.  What counts is the result. 

The Third Class Democracy is following blindly one-person-one-vote.  When a Nation is not prepared such as the candidates are not qualified or trained (in the collapse of USSR), free elections do not get the competent people to run the Nation.

In Super Democracy, the candidates are well trained and prepared.  Part of the training will come from posting and discussions in Forums.  Voters will see the capabilities of the Candidates or the Parties for months or years via the Forums before the election.  Candidates or Parties can be prepared in Special Economic Zones (SECs).  SECs may have different Rules or Special Laws from the rest of the Country.  Minority parties with a specified minimum number of supporters will be given a chance to govern in one or more SEZs.

With the Internet, all Citizens can express their opinions and vote directly on specially important issues.  In Third Class Democracy, all decisions are left in the hands of elected Officials.  In Super Democracy, there will be managed Forums to discuss almost all issues.  The specially important ones will be determined by all voters via the Internet.  The 5 year plans of the different Political Parties can be compared.  The good points can be merged.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 03, 2015, 06:15:38 PM
Preliminary Results from the two electromagnet repulsion experiment with diagrams in reply 256.

1.  Electromagnet B can be placed on top of electromagnet A with no attraction when there is no current.

2.  When DC current is passed to repel the electromagnets, Electromagnet B jumped up but the height was only about 1 cm.

3.  This result is worse than the first attempt with a permanent magnet repelled by an electromagnet.

4.  The probable explanation is that to impart energy to Electromagnet B, we need to have Force x Displacement. The Repulsion Force is strong but the displacement or the time such force acts is small.  In the air core electromagnet case, the Repulsion Force was allowed to act much longer inside the solenoid.

5.  More thought and work need to be done.  One direction is more turns in the air solenoid.  Another direction is put feerite rods around the plastic tube before winding to produce a "ferromagnetic solenoid".

UFOs are already flying.  Our task here is to do proof-of-concept experiments.  We do not expect the task to be easy and finished in one attempt.  With the Super Silicon Valley Mentality, we show our failures for all to learn.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 03, 2015, 11:51:25 PM
How to promote Super Silicon Valley Mentality in Hong Kong?

Treat everything as third class.  Turn them into second or first class.

For example, my fishing technique can catch fish.  For relaxation and enjoyment purposes, that is sufficient.  If I use the Super Silicon Valley Mentality, I would question the equipment - the rod, the reel, the line, the hooks, the baits etc.  It would just be like playing tennis.  Do not just use any racket at any tension. Seek out the best that is suitable for your game.

My posts here are third class.  Turn them into second or first class...
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 04, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00H1yDzt83s

The above video discussed the reason why the US Navy fired a Trident Missile over a populated area for all to witness.  The key message was to warn the enemies (China and Russia) that USA was willing to drop nuclear weapons on civilian populations.

I interpreted it somewhat differently.  The video showed characteristics of an UFO.  USA was telling the World that it also had the UFO technology.  USA knew that China had the UFO technology - the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself explained in 2006 at Tsinghua University in the presence of the US team.  That team got funding from Jupiter Funds of Hong Kong and produced the 225 HP Pulse Motor.

It is quite likely that Russia and China got together and discussed such UFO technology.  China does not possess enough nuclear warheads to threaten USA but Russia does.  If China and Russia work together and develop the UFO technology to deliver warheads, the World Power Game will change.

This UFO style Missile launch has a side consequence.  It confirms that UFO can be man-made.  A hidden side is the lead-out energy. USA strategists probably calculated that the overunity devices could no longer be suppressed.  Over 60 QMOGENs have been cited on the Internet.  The UFO design on reply 1 of this thread have been read by thousands.  It is only a third class design.  But the top guns of many Nations will turn it to second or first class.

USA essentially showed that it could and had applied the UFO technology to its weapons. 

My gut feel is that China and Russia will show that they also have such technology.  The best way is to show the civilian applications.  They may even encourage Hong Kong (and this thread) to announce and demonstrate the technology first. Military Confrontation is avoided.  The Race for the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology is ON.  The New  paradigm is coming.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 05, 2015, 12:15:57 AM
How to promote Super Silicon Valley Mentality in Hong Kong?

Treat everything as third class.  Turn them into second or first class.

For example, my fishing technique can catch fish.  For relaxation and enjoyment purposes, that is sufficient.  If I use the Super Silicon Valley Mentality, I would question the equipment - the rod, the reel, the line, the hooks, the baits etc.  It would just be like playing tennis.  Do not just use any racket at any tension. Seek out the best that is suitable for your game.

My posts here are third class.  Turn them into second or first class...

Some questioned the Mentality of "either the problem cracks or we crack".  My working on Lead-out Energy is an example.  Some may say that I have cracked.  Only a lunatic would post so much on nonsense. 

I do not think that I have cracked.  So what happened to the problem of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?  Are UFOs flying?  Is the UFO like Missile fired by US Navy on Nov 7, 2015 man-made?
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 05, 2015, 12:52:14 AM
Have some elites in China developed the Super Silicon Valley Mentality?

There is no question that when they buy anything from the West, the first task is take it apart and reverse engineer.  This is to be expected and Counties like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore etc. all used this strategy successfully.  Everything is third class - including ideas.  Improve them to second or first class.

The Chinese Student studying aboard are already famous for their dedication.  They work on problems rather than giving up.  The Tiger Mom type training helped.  Either the problem cracks or we crack.  China has cracked the most difficult problem - develop the economy at the fastest pace in human history.  Can China solve the problems of pollution, ghost cities, UFO technology?

Do some elites have the God like Mentality?  Many looked to the West as the Teacher before 2008.  The attitude afterwards is that the rules and teachings by the Teachers are not perfect.  China has to think outside the box.  When approaching an African Nation, the motto is win-win.  I am a God.  You are a God,  We do not need to abide by the Rules of the West.

Does China show its failures for the World to learn?  Allowing the reporters to write stories of corruption, visit ghost cities are good examples.  There will be more failures in the lead-out energy flying saucer Race.  There will be failed experiments.  There will be unsafe products.  There will be UFO crashes.  There will be blowing up of home generators and appliances.  Will China show such failures for the World to learn?

Will China use the Internet to learn.  That is a given.

I discussed the Super Silicon Valley Mentality with the first group of Chinese Computer Engineers to USA in 1980.  The fact that they have improved the third class idea to second or first class is evident...

Some of the elites are amongst the Policy Makers.  They have the self-confidence and mentality to tackling and solving any problem.  The chance of China collapsing like USSR (believing the third class democracy and capitalism would cure the economic problems) is remote.
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Post by: ltseung888 on December 05, 2015, 09:49:52 AM
Possible PowerPoint PDF file for an Interview next week.

The Updated presentation after the Hong Kong University Experiment on two electromagnet repulsion.  The result was not as good as the permanent magnet and air core case.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 05, 2015, 02:10:32 PM
Question:  Should we talk about the failed two electromagnet repulsion experiment?

One line of thought - people are not interested in failures.

Super Silicon Valley Mentality - show your failures so that the World can learn together.

The possible explanation is that for transfer of energy, we need force x displacement.  The electromagnets can provide greater repulsion force as the electromagnets can be placed close together.  However, the displacement or time for the force to act is short.  The case of the permanent magnet repelled inside the air solenoid has a long displacement.

Once that is demonstrated and understood, the World can look for alternatives.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 06, 2015, 03:18:28 AM
How does Hong Kong handle the non-profit making social services?

Introduce an element of competition.  For example, there are a few organizations running services for the retired citizens in the same district.  The Government pays the organizations partly on the number of senior citizens enrolled.  The organizations are encouraged to provide innovative services to please and attract more customers.

This third class technique works.  Can it be improved to second or first class?

Videotaping is extremely common.  Almost every lift in Hong Kong has it.  Can the technology be enhanced to do both monitoring and helping others to improve the services?

Super Silicon Valley Mentality of treating everything as third class and strive to get to second and first class has its merits...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 07, 2015, 02:48:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsok1-_qS8

The video talked about China 2025 and the changes to manufacturing industries.

The plan is to have he innovation elements reaching or surpassing USA and Germany.

Can the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology be the key?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 07, 2015, 06:51:37 PM
Is World War 3 inevitable?

Science, Technology and Innovation since the Industrial Revolution changed the World completely.  Unfortunately, with the unequal spread of knowledge at that time, some Nations were far ahead of others.  That led to the philosophy of "survival of the fittest".  Some Nations built their prosperity upon the sufferings of other Nations.  The cause of World War 1 was the conflict of the then European Powers over colonies and imperial interests.  The cause of World War 2 was more of Germany's revenge.

Now the World knows that prosperity of a Nation does not depend on conquests or building on the sufferings of other Nations.  Germany and Japan after the Second World War showed that their prosperity could be built on Industry and exports.  The rapid economic growth of China further demonstrated the importance of mastering science and technology.  China became factory of the World not only on its cheap labor but also on the quick copying and mastering of technology.

Can the existing Power (USA) understand that China or other rising Nations do not need to follow its example of expansion and conquest of the Native Americans.  There is no need to impose suffering on any other Nation.  Win-win can be achieved. 

When other Developing Nations look at the Chinese Model, they will find that becoming the lowest cost producer may not be the answer.  Winning the competition may mean much hard work; get much foreign currency that cannot buy much back.  Thus new thinking is required.  The Super Silicon Valley Mentality enables them to treat everything as third class - including the Chinese Model.  They will examine the third class concepts of Mutual Credits, Super Democracy, Modern Wealth, Love Thy Enemies and International Brotherhood and improve.

Hopefully all Nations will see that the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology is not just for Military purposes.  There is no need to go for another arms race.  They can use the new technology to clean up pollution, avert bad effects of climate change, travel easily and enjoy new levels of prosperity unimagined by the present scientists.

UFOs are flying.  Some of them are made in USA and China.  Soon they will be made by multiple Nations.  The oil Industry will undergo a major change.  The transportation Industry will be revolutionized.  The home appliance industry will be transformed.  The knowledge Industry will ensure that no Nation will be at the mercy of other Powerful Nations.  Nationalism will give way to International Brotherhood.

There is no need for World War 3.  Win-win can come to all Nations.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 08, 2015, 12:39:12 AM
Is World War 3 inevitable?

Science, Technology and Innovation since the Industrial Revolution changed the World completely.  Unfortunately, with the unequal spread of knowledge at that time, some Nations were far ahead of others.  That led to the philosophy of "survival of the fittest".  Some Nations built their prosperity upon the sufferings of other Nations.  The cause of World War 1 was the conflict of the then European Powers over colonies and imperial interests.  The cause of World War 2 was more of Germany's revenge.

Now the World knows that prosperity of a Nation does not depend on conquests or building on the sufferings of other Nations.  Germany and Japan after the Second World War showed that their prosperity could be built on Industry and exports.  The rapid economic growth of China further demonstrated the importance of mastering science and technology.  China became factory of the World not only on its cheap labor but also on the quick copying and mastering of technology.


Can the copying and mastering of technology be achieved within 5, 10, 15, 20 or 25 years?  Textbook knowledge can be learned within 5 years by the top students of almost every Nation.  Concepts such as Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth and Love Thy Enemies etc. can be learned even faster.  Building factories can be done if there were a friendly Nation placing orders (with Mutual Credits?)  Most infrastructure projects can be completed within 10 to 15 years. USA and others have shown that Money can be created to stimulate the economy.  That third class technique can be turned into second class via Mutual Credits. 

Almost any Nation can come up with third class 5 year plans.  Can it train its elites to use the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to turn them into second or first class?

My conviction is that the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology cannot be kept as top secret any more.  The UFOs are flying.  The UFO like missile launch by the US Navy on Nov 7, 2015 over Southern California is a clear signal to the World.  Reply 1 in this thread outlined one third class design.  Will an unexpected Nation turn it into second or first class to benefit the World?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 09, 2015, 05:09:33 AM
The two experiments will be available in the Interview this weekend.

1.  The modified Joule Thief circuit.  The circuit is charged with one AA battery for 10 seconds.  The LED remains ON for 10 minutes.  This technique was applied by an Taiwan-US Company to capture sunlight in the day and light street lamps at night. 

2.  The electromagnet repulsion experiments.  This is on-going.  The final COP > 1 setup is not ready yet.  However, the World can still learn much from the experience.

If we show the third lass setups and even failures, the World can learn together with us.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 09, 2015, 07:00:20 PM
Preventing the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Race from turning to Arms Race

Using the Super Silicon Valley Mentality - either we crack or the problem cracks.  The technology leads to UFOs that may be used as nuclear bomb delivery mechanisms.  If Nations do not trust each other, they may feel that military superiority is essential.  Once the Arms Race starts, there will be no stopping.

We now have the situation that there is only one super power - USA.  Can other Nations trust USA?  Can other Nations continue to let USA have the military dominance?  Can all Nations disclose and share their knowledge on the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology?  Can all Nations feel secure that they will not be exterminated?  Can all Nations feel that their National Interests are not harmed?

The answer may be in Love Thy Enemies.  The World War 2 enemies Germany and Japan are Allies of USA and are no longer enemies.  Communism was once regarded as the enemy of the West.  People were told that Communists were evil and their intention was to destroy democracy.  (Have we been hearing political speeches that Islam is evil?)

USA knows that no Chinese Leaders are insane enough to risk their hard earned economic success with any wars.  Can there be peaceful competitions on the many innovation that will arise from this new technology?  Can the Race be developed similar to the Internet - the knowledge is quickly spread.  There are cyber attacks or spread of propagandas but the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.

One thing USA and China can do is to promote International Co-operation.  There can be joint International Efforts to achieve specific goals.  These goals may include:
1.  The Home Generator
2.  The no fuel car
3.  The no fuel ship
4.  The appliances that never need to receive electricity from the grid
5.  The flying saucer that can replace the family car
6.  The Apartments that have flying saucers docked in their balconies
7.  The Cities that can support large number of flying saucers
8.  The rules and regulations enabling flying saucers to cross Country Borders
9.  The enabling of prosperity to all Human Beings
10.  Successful applications of Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth, Super Democracy, etc.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 10, 2015, 08:30:03 AM
The new setup that may already demonstrate overunity.

I bought additional magnets from the same vendor at Shum Shui Po this afternoon.

Instead of increasing the number of turns to increase magnetic strength, I tried to use multiple magnets as the jumping entity.  The Voltage was set at 17V - the value used when I experimented with one magnet.

To my delight, the new setup with three magnets appeared to demonstrate overunity.  The new mass is over 2.5 times (wait to get the accurate electronic balance next week).  The new height jumped was 46 cm as compared with 20 cm in the earlier experiment.

The COP in the earlier experiment was 0.2.  The Input Electrical Energy appeared to be similar but the output potential energy appeared to be 2.5 x (46/20) or 5.75 times.  A rough estimate of the new COP is thus 0.2 x 5.75 or 1.15.  This pointed us in the right direction.

The detailed DSO measurements will be done at my home.  The preliminary results will be posted.  The more accurate confirmation results are expected to come from Hong Kong University.

With the Super Silicon Valley Mentality, we post preliminary results...

*** after tuning, height jumped to 55 cm.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 10, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
Experiments worth showing on the Dec 12 Interview

1.  Milkovic 2SO video.  Focus on the finger push and the raising of the weight twice.  Output Energy appears to be greater than Input Energy.  Improve with Chan Wheel.  William Skinner Video as application.

2.  FLEET  Can the Output Energy added together be greater than Input Energy?  Can it be a more efficient way of using energy?  Already applied to storing solar energy to charge lamps at night.

3.  Electromagnet repulsion.  Can the DC current align the tiny magnets in ferromagnetic material to become stronger magnet?  225 HP Pulse Motor and QMOGENs.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 12, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
The Interview with the film crew.  The final edited video will be available in a couple of weeks.

The team spent a total of four and half hours.  The interview focused more on the person.  I like the experimental part performed by Mr. William Fung best.  One experiment was the FLEET.  It is easy for the layman to follow.  The Input was charging the circuit for 10 seconds.  The Output was the lighting of the LED for over 10 minutes.  The more accurate results could be obtained with a high end DSO capturing the Input energy for the 10 seconds.  Then capture the Output energy for the over 10 minutes.

The second experiment was the repulsion of permanent magnets by an air solenoid.  Three magnets were used.  The Input Voltage was 17.5V and the height jumped was 55 cm.  It was much more impressive than the early setup with one magnet that jumped less than 20 cm.  The decision by Mr. Fung was to do more windings and use more magnets. 

The windings will be increased to 300, 500, 800 and 1000 turns.  Two transparent tubes will be used with two windings on each tube.  The additional material cost would be less than HK$1000.  The Output side (mgh) is expected to be much more impressive.  The Input side can go to a maximum of 30V DC with existing equipment.  The actual value will be determined by the DSO.  The load is essentially the solenoid.  The inductance produces a back emf effectively reducing the energy consumption as compared with a pure resistance.

Once some promising results can be demonstrated, we plan to start an open competition for the most impressive demonstration.  The proof-of-concept experiment can be done by all universities Worldwide.  The third class setup will be improved to second or first class.

UFOs are flying.  If the proof-of-concept experiment can be confirmed Worldwide, we can go for the next step.  The peaceful Race of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer to benefit all humanity will be at full steam...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 13, 2015, 01:17:12 PM
Some Experimental results to share on Dec 13, 2015

The experiment was done at the home of Lawrence Tseung.  Mr. TS Lau also participated.  The equipment used was:
1.  DC Power supplied that can go up to 30V.  17.5V was used.
2.  Atten Oscilloscope was used to display waveform.
3.  3 magnets on end of PVC with total length 11 cm used.
4.  Rubber band wrapped around transparent tube to show maximum height reached.
5.  Solenoid has approximately200 turns with resistance measured at 5.4 ohms

Some preliminary results are:
1.  Height jumped was 49.2cm  (60.2 - 11)
2.  Actual height jumped could vary from 46 to 55 cm.  Cold solenoid allowed higher jumping.
3.  Resistance of solenoid could vary from 4.2 to 5.4 ohms.  Cold solenoid showed lower resistance.

YouTube video available at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkgzfbVI8x0
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 13, 2015, 01:37:47 PM
Now we show the waveform with the voltage across the solenoid.  No other resistor was put into the circuit.  Some unavoidable resistance due to clip and wire connections would be present.  That probably accounted for the setting of 17.5V on the DC Power Supply and the 15V on the DSO.

The time pressed on the switch obviously varied from experiment to experiment.  From the shape of the waveform, that time was around 32ms in the display.

The most interesting part is the expanded waveform of the leading edge of the pulse.  The voltage rose to 35V and immediately followed by a negative 16V.  This is the expected back emf due to the inductance of the solenoid.

The controversial part was the time period of the Input.  Should we use 32ms or 2.7ms.  That factor would determine whether we achieved overunity or not.

I shall pause here for comments.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 14, 2015, 01:39:01 AM
I believe I have found a scientific way of estimating the magnetic repulsion time.

I assume that the first 10 cm of jump height is significant.  I then use the free fall equations to calculate the time to fall 50 cm (t1) and the time to fall 40 cm (t2).  The difference (t1-t2) can be approximated to the magnetic repulsion time.

The Physics assumption is that as soon as the magnet passes the 10 cm height, the force acting on it to slow it down to zero velocity is gravity. 

Please see the extract from the spreadsheet.  The values of h1 and h2 can be adjusted for any experimental results.  Thus we can estimate the magnetic repulsion time (t1-t2).  If this assumption is valid, we have good grounds to calculate whether our experimental setup is overunity.

Pease feel free to comment.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 14, 2015, 09:55:39 AM
The Input Electrical Energy Analysis.

The resistance of the coil + connecting wire as measured = 5.4 ohms.

The Pulse duration for magnet repulsion estimated at 3ms

Average Voltage during the Pulse = 3V

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 14, 2015, 10:11:54 AM
The preliminary calculation:

Output Energy = mgh

= 0.082 * 9.8 * 0.492
= 0.05 (joules)

Input Energy = V*V/R*t

= 3*3/5.4*0.03
= 0.39 (joules)

COP = Output/Input = 7.88

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 14, 2015, 11:09:54 AM
Weighing the jumping magnet.

The Output Energy (mgh) can be determined reasonably accurately.  There is no need for any assumption.  The only consideration is the recording of the maximum height.

The Input Energy (V*V/R*t) requires the average Voltage at the Pulse.  What to consider as the Pulse can be a point for discussion. The duration of the Pulse can also be discussed.  However, the values are large enough to eliminate small connection or equipment errors.  There may not be need to use very expensive DSOs.

We shall encourage the World to replicate the results.  May be a competition...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 14, 2015, 07:28:05 PM
Screen shot of the waveform by TS Lau.

The replicators can send equipment details, results, video and this type of waveform to confirm overunity.

At least four more solenoids will be wound by Bill Fung and TS Lau in the coming days.

We shall have at least two full sets of equipment - one to stay and one to loan out for short periods or for off-site demonstrations.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 15, 2015, 01:35:36 AM
A word of Thank you to all those who helped to make the magnet repulsion experiment a success.

The Ninth design of the lead-out energy flying saucer was posted on reply 1 of this thread on July 7, 2015.  That design could provide lead-out energy via the pulsing and unbalanced rotation of the coils and magnet.  It could also provide the net thrust.

I discussed that design with the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  His comment was: “You have graduated from kindergarten.”  He was intimately associated with Tsinghua University and the Chinese Military.  He said that he knew which group produced the Nanjing UFO in 2006. 

I was deeply indebted to Professor Dennis Leung of Hong Kong University.  He advised me to do the simple proof-of-concept experiment.  He said: “Do one thing at a time.  Proving that mechanical energy output can be greater than electrical energy input is already earthshaking in the Scientific World.”  He got his research assistant, Ms. Holly Kwok involved.  See reply 90 posted on September 3, 2015.

The initial results were not encouraging.  The one magnet and a 130 turn coil produced a jump height of 10 cm.  The COP estimated was 0.07. We speculated the reasons.  One possible explanation was not using ferrite rods that could increase the permeability hundreds or thousands times.  I consulted the advice of Mr. Tong Po Chi (builder of the Tong Wheel), Mr. Peter Chan (builder of the Chan Wheel), Mr. Chan of Wai Cheng (supplied parts of Tong Wheel) and many Church members.  My grand God Daughter, Miss Forever Yuen and family provided much moral support.  My old Wah Yan Classmates, Mr. T.S. Lau and Dr. David Chan gave encouragement.  Their encouragement provided the fuel to continue.

We focused on the need to use ferromagnetic material.  Mr. Bill Fung used his own funds to buy the electromagnets in November and Professor Leung et al did the experiment with very disappointing results.  The electromagnet jumped only 1 cm.

Meanwhile, Jesse Seligman got his friend Simon Roberts and Melanie Low to interview me for a video on lead-out energy flying saucer.  I got the equipment back from Hong Kong University.  I added one magnet for the jump and used a winding more than 200 turns, the result improved to more than 20 cm.  I then bought additional magnets and was able to do the successful experiment.  There are many others I might have forgotten to mention especially those whom I never met in person but communicated via the Internet.

Last but not least, I thank my son Daniel and Jennifer who tolerated the many years of jokes and jeers from those who remarked: “Your father is a Physicist but works on UFOs!”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 15, 2015, 09:29:11 PM
The next steps:

The significance of the simple magnet and solenoid repulsion experiment demonstrating overunity will be earth shattering for the Scientific World.  Prof. Dennis Leung was right.  This single experiment replicated and confirmed by multiple reputable Universities will prove that overunity is possible.  Lead-out Energy Researcher will no longer be laughed at. 

To make sure that no experimental or equipment error occurred, we shall do the following:

1. Produce at least 4 more solenoids with different windings.
2. Have 4 more jumping magnets with different number of magnets.
3. Use at lease four different DSOs to ensure that there were no errors due to equipment.
4. Use at least two different DC Power supplies.
5. Use different wiring, clipping, switches.

Have at least two complete sets of equipment.  One shall stay in my home.  One can be loaned out for demonstration purposes.

Encourage Universities and other research organizations to independently set up their equipment and perform the experiment.  Encourage them to share the results.  Let Hong Kong University publish the academic paper after full confirmation.

I expect many Nations and Institutions will look at reply 1 in this thread and start to build the lead-out energy flying saucer.  The Race to benefit all humanity is ON.  I am sure that Nations such as Japan, Russia, Europe, India, Ethiopia and many "unexpected" Nations will be successful not only in replicating this experiment but will also get a lead-out energy flying saucer to function.

Is it possible for China or USA to deny that they are working on UFOs?  Is it possible for the debunkers to mislead the World in light of the undeniable scientific evidence?

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: John.K1 on December 15, 2015, 10:03:40 PM
And what about to think Rodin's coil?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqjOuk7K9U0
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 17, 2015, 03:07:39 PM
Had a Christmas and New Year Party with the Senior Center Citizens.

Sitting next to me was a ninety year old.  He cannot see and hear too well but he still has good appetite.  He really appreciated that the Non-profit social service organization arranged the Party.  He said, "I really enjoy my remaining years.  I do not know when I can still walk and enjoy the food.  Some folks of my age need someone to feed them and stay at the Old People's Home all the time."

Another old folk said: "You and I went through the War Years.  We did not have enough to eat.  We had to suffer the War and the loss of our loved ones.  This is the enjoyable time of our lives."

It looks like that the Hong Kong Government did the right thing - fund the non-profit organizations.  Let them compete to provide servces.  The amount of funding depends on the satisfaction of the "customers".

Old Soviet style Communism failed because it did not pay much attention to the competition element.  No competition, no progress. The Soviets did not have the Super Silicon Valley Mentality.  Everything is Third Class.  They need to turn it to Second or First class.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 17, 2015, 11:46:13 PM
Which Nation can compete with Hong Kong on the first experiment of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?

The first experiment is to prove that Output Potential Energy can be greater than Input Electrical Energy.  This was suggested by Prof. Dennis Leung at the Mechanical Engineering Department of Hong Kong University.

The evidence so far is indisputable.  More setups will be done in the coming days.  Even if another Nation announces and demonstrates the results today, it will lag behind Hong Kong for a few days.

All Hong Kong needs now is to verify and confirm the results with multiple setups.  Multiple Universities will be invited to do the verification.  The New Innovation and Technology Department will be informed.  The video and experimental setups will be shown to different parties.  All are encouraged to replicate.

Hong Kong is extremely money minded.  We can quickly form a Company to sell equipment for the first experiment.  The complete set of equipment and procedures will be available so it will be a no-brainer to replicate the experiment Worldwide.  Just order and repeat the experiment.  We shall have a competition to see who can produce the highest COP.

The next competition is the implementation of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer in reply 1 of this thread.  Jupiter Fund of Hong Kong successfully produced the 225 HP Pulse Motor explained by the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself at Tsinghua University in 2006.  That was kept as top secret by both USA and China.  Now we go for another proof-of-concept experiment.

One part of the competition is to generate Net Thrust.  Another part is to extract lead-out energy.  Which Nation will win this time?  Will it be Hong Kong again?

What will the Scientists and Engineers involved in the Top Secret Military Establishments in China and USA think?  Should they share in the glory in benefiting the World?

At one time, the general public thought China would never win an Olympic Medal?  At one time, the general public thought China was only a copy cat?  Who would have guessed that Hong Kong could lead the Race in the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Paradigm???  Will the "factory of the world" become the innovation center of the world???

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 18, 2015, 03:40:06 AM
The experimental setup.

One of the factors to note is that the crocodile clip wires have resistance between 1 to 2 ohms.  Different wires will have different total resistance.  However, the overunity COP>1 finding was not affected.  The actual values might change.

I shall also play with 4 magnet and a higher voltage (20V).  The magnets jumped higher but got hotter faster.

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 18, 2015, 09:36:36 AM
Mr. William Fung and I wound a 540 turn coil using the new wire this morning.

The result with 3 magnets is also overunity (COP>1).  Attached is the calculation.

Voltage = -8V  averaged over the pulse period of 3ms
Resistance = 4 ohms
mass = 0.81 Kg.
Height jumped = 59 cm or 0.59m

The average back emf is greater than the applied 17.5V.  Does that mean energy actually flows back to Input (PC Power supply box)?

To minimize confusion, the next tube will have 300 turns.


Another tube that can be used to demonstrate overunity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 18, 2015, 10:14:13 AM
Bill Fung Tube waveform.

Very similar.  COP > 1 detected.

Peak Pule 58V.  Peak back emf -27.6V.

Average Voltage during 3ms of pulse time (the dip) is negative.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 19, 2015, 12:07:06 AM
We shall do another solenoid with 300 windings today.  The 540 turn solenoid took Bill and I over 2 hours to wind by hand.  It appears to be an overkill if we just want to demonstrate overunity.

Hopefully, by next week, before Christmas, we shall have two complete sets of equipment.  One will stay with me and another one can be loaned out for short periods - one week at a time.  We shall encourage the interested to have their own setup.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all.

The success of this proof-of-concept experiment vindicated all the researchers of free energy.  The Newman machine, the 225 HP Pulse Motor, the QMOGENs, the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier, etc. are not hoaxes.  They are some form of lead-out energy machines.  The researchers are pioneers.  Their efforts are well appreciated.

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2015, 12:06:05 AM
Mr. Bill Fung and TS Lau finished the 300 turn Solenoid yesterday. 

Now we have 4 tubes for demonstration:
1.   The 130 turn solenoid that does not produce overunity.  Too few windings.
2.   The over 200 turn solenoid by me that showed overunity with 3 magnets.
3.   The 540 turn solenoid by Bill and myself that easily showed overunity.  The magnets jumped out of the tube at 24V.
4.   The 300 turn solenoid by Bill and Lau that may become the work horse to show overunity.  It took less effort to wind.
5.   One 400 winding solenoid is planned for the next few days.  We shall have at least 4 solenoids capable of demonstrating overunity.

We have enough wires and tubes to do more.  We can always buy more or direct researchers in Hong Kong where to buy the materials.  Bill will be able to advise them on the winding techniques.  (A good winding is not that easy.)

The Output Potential Energy measurement side is very clear.  We choose the highest jump as most jumps have slight friction between the jumping magnets and the transparent tube.  We also need to adjust the exact position for the magnet to be placed inside the solenoid for the best effect.  The addition of one coin (1.5mm thick) to adjust the position could mean a jumping height difference of 10 cm or more.  The mass of the jumping magnets+PVC tube are measured with an electronic balance accurate to 1gm.

The actual positions of the jump can be captured on video and the errors are small.  We found that the push ON/OFF switch could produce a higher jump than the simple flick position ON/OFF switch.

I shall discuss the Input Electrical Energy side in a separate post.

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2015, 01:05:17 AM
On the Input Electrical Energy side, we rely much on the waveforms such as those in reply 287 and 295.  Those wave forms showed what happened at the leading edge of the jump.  There will be a sudden high rise in voltage more than the stated supplied voltage from the DC power supply.  It is immediately followed by a back emf as expected.  That back emf is due to the inductance of the coil.  This back emf effectively sends current back to the power supply.  It reduced the energy input.

One of the more controversial arguments is what to use as the period for measurement. (Energy = power x time or = V*I *t)   There are a number of possibilities.

1.  The full duration of the press down period.  This can vary greatly with different experimenters and also with the same experimenter.  The time for the jumping magnets to reach highest position is usually around 30ms as can been seen from the full pulse on the DSO.  Some slower reaction experiments showed over 50ms.  This is definitely not the right time period to choose.

2.  The leading edge dip time from the DSO as in reply 287.  This technique ignores the full pulse time.  It does not depend of the reaction of the experimenters.  The time period is reduced to less than 5ms.

3.  I used the time for the jumping magnets to depart by 10cm.  The10cm is from observation that the steady repulsion of the magnet and solenoid with constant DC power supply becomes less significant after 10cm.  The time period is further reduced to 3ms approximately. This period can be calculated accurately from the time difference between the jumping height and (the jumping height - 10cm).  To be more exact, the differences in the free fall time is used.

The measurement of current can be via:
1.  Use the simple equation V=IR.  The resistance R is measured with a standard ohm meter.  The crocodile clips added 1-2 ohms to the measurement.  The actual wire resistance of the solenoid is also 1-2 ohms.  We may use a different connection method than crocodile ciips later.  However, even with a reduction of half the measured resistance, we still achieve overunity.

2.  Use a one ohm resistor in series with the solenoid.  The voltage drop across this one ohm resistor will give the current.  If this curve is on the first probe and the solenoid voltage probe is on the second probe of the DSO, the waveform comparison can be seen.  If we assume the voltage and current displayed correspond, then we can do the point-by-point multiplication.  The CSV files allow us to use EXCEL to do the analysis.  Some good DSOs can do that directly.  We can select different time intervals to do the calculation.

3.  Some results show that the average voltage during the leading edge of 5ms or less is negative.  This implies current flowing back toward the source.  The energy flowing from the source during such period is negative or the circuit is giving the DC power supply energy!  After the leading edge dip, the voltage becomes positive close to the supplied voltage.

I shall have more discussions with the academics on the validity of the above assumptions.  Even if the above assumptions are approximate, the COP > 1 results are still valid.  Most COP results with the above assumptions are 5 and upwards.

UFOs are flying.  Many are made in USA and in China.  Can they still keep the Top Secret?

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2015, 04:44:19 AM
Waveforms from the Bill and Lau 300 turn coil.  At 17.5V
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2015, 10:30:41 AM

2.  Use a one ohm resistor in series with the solenoid.  The voltage drop across this one ohm resistor will give the current.  If this curve is on the first probe and the solenoid voltage probe is on the second probe of the DSO, the waveform comparison can be seen.  If we assume the voltage and current displayed correspond, then we can do the point-by-point multiplication.  The CSV files allow us to use EXCEL to do the analysis.  Some good DSOs can do that directly.  We can select different time intervals to do the calculation.

UFOs are flying.  Many are made in USA and in China.  Can they still keep the Top Secret?

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The above recommendation will be taken.  Then we do not need to worry about the resistance introduced by the crocodile clips.  No need to do soldering or something similar.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2015, 10:49:47 PM
Some amazing results when we use the average V*I analysis method.  Waveform expanded by Paint for ease of analysis.

Note that the current (voltage across an one ohm resistor) =0.2A  when the Voltage registered 68.8V.

That single result (back emf?) produced the unexpected high COP.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 22, 2015, 08:49:13 AM
Reply 301 is incorrect.  There is no need to focus on the leading edge.  The time interval interested should be around 50ms and not 5ms.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 22, 2015, 01:42:26 PM
Experimental Result using 4 Magnets for Jumping

The COP value improved from 1.5 to 1.94.

The experience so far indicates:

1.  Use more turns (300 and up) produces higher magnetic repulsion.
2.  Use more magnets (up to 4 tried) increases both m and h.  Higher mass and higher jump. 

Both points increase COP significantly.

More experiments will be done to gain more knowledge and experience.

Overunity is confirmed with the setup and assumptions.  Will encourage more people to replicate.

UFOs are flying.  Many are USA and China Made.  Will they disclose the Top Secret?

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: guidoc66 on December 22, 2015, 02:54:59 PM
Hello,
simple question: the time base in the dso pictures looks to be 100ms; if one square is 100 ms then the pulse duration should be around 250 ms
Why did you mention 50ms?
thanks
guido
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 22, 2015, 07:31:10 PM
The circuit.

One common mistake was ignoring the common ground between the CH1 and CH2 scope probes. 

Once that is connected properly, it is easy to see that the CH1 (current) waveform should be inverted to show proper display.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 22, 2015, 07:55:32 PM
Hello,
simple question: the time base in the dso pictures looks to be 100ms; if one square is 100 ms then the pulse duration should be around 250 ms
Why did you mention 50ms?
thanks
guido

Good Question. 

The waveform represents the full duration of the Pulse.  The duration depends on how long the experimenter holds down the switch and can vary greatly with every attempt.  In the diagram shown, it was about 250ms.  Some experimenters held the switch for more than 500ms.

We need to consider what time interval the magnetic repulsion is most effective.  It is definitely NOT 250ms or 500ms.  I used the time for the magnet to jump 10 cm away from the coil as the guideline.  If the DC current is constantly supplied, the repelling height is around 5cm.  The time for the magnet to jump 10cm (twice the repelling distance of 5 cm) is 50ms or less.  That can be calculated from the free fall equations.

This is one of the most important assumptions in the experiment.  We do not use the full Pulse Time.  We use a "Jump away 10 cm" time.  The use of 10 cm is somewhat arbitrary.  We can use a different number in the analysis.

At present, we are experimenting with different number of jump magnets and different number of turns in the solenoids.  The number 50ms or "Jump away 10cm time" gives overunity across all the experiments.  When we use solenoids of 500 turns and up (and/or 4 or more jumping magnets), we can make even bolder assumptions such as "jump away 20cm time".

Keep such good questions coming...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 22, 2015, 11:48:48 PM
Picture justifying the use of "jump away height of 10cm".
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 23, 2015, 12:12:07 PM
More on the interaction of the constant Gravitational Force Fg and the rapidly decreasing magnetic force Fm.

1.  Fg is always downwards.
2.  Fm is treated as upwards in this experiment.
3.  Fm is greatest at Position P1.  Fm is definitely greater than Fg so that the magnet jumps up.
4.  The magnet will increase velocity from 0 (rest position) at Position P1.  If we assume the repulsion force varies inversely as the square of the distance, the Force Fm will decrease rapidly.  However, we should think in terms of the magnetic flux or magnetic lines of force.  That may decrease less rapidly.
5.  If Fm = Fg at P3 position (approximately 5cm),  Can we assume that after another 5 cm, Fm will further decrease.  The decrease will make the passing of electric energy to magnetic energy and then mechanical energy insignificant.
6.  Even if the switch is pressed down allowing current to flow through, the actual energy transferred to magnetic and mechanical energy is small.

Think along those lines and I am happy to hear comments.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: guidoc66 on December 23, 2015, 03:50:07 PM
thanks for the explanations
wouldn't be easier to make the pulse adjustable? a 555 driving a transistor or even simpler, several reed switches in parallel, at different heights (up to were you want the pulse to be on) driving a relay to the coil (just trowing ideas).
As you are spotting in your last posts, the 10cm is an important assumption but also the free fall one is.
The acceleration imparted on the mass during the 10 cm trip is not even constant and its average is not trivial while the free fall time assumes  this is 9.81 m/s2 .
What we know is that at 5cm the Accel of that given mass is equal to 9.81 m/s2 as the two forces are balanced; below 5 cm the acceler. is greater and above is lower.
In other words
Accel = MagneticForce / Mass = g     @ 5cm height
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 23, 2015, 07:17:43 PM
thanks for the explanations
wouldn't be easier to make the pulse adjustable? a 555 driving a transistor or even simpler, several reed switches in parallel, at different heights (up to were you want the pulse to be on) driving a relay to the coil (just trowing ideas).
As you are spotting in your last posts, the 10cm is an important assumption but also the free fall one is.
The acceleration imparted on the mass during the 10 cm trip is not even constant and its average is not trivial while the free fall time assumes  this is 9.81 m/s2 .
What we know is that at 5cm the Accel of that given mass is equal to 9.81 m/s2 as the two forces are balanced; below 5 cm the acceler. is greater and above is lower.
In other words
Accel = MagneticForce / Mass = g     @ 5cm height
@guidoc66

You are correct. One of the research direction is controlling the timing of the pulse.  If we can adjust the Pulse time from 20ms to 200ms, (in your words - a 555 driving a transistor) we can detect whether we get overunity.  Can the small pulse time provide the electrical energy (then convert to magnetic and mechanical) to provide overunity results?

This bring us to the workings of the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  It requires starting the pulse at the "exact time" and then turn off the pulse as soon as the magnetic repulsion finishes its effective range (in ms or less?).

(One possible control mechanism is via laser detection.)

If the 225 HP Pulse Motor (and possibly other Pulse Motors) works, the design in reply 1 of this thread will work.  That lead-out energy flying saucer design is worth looking into.

UFOs are flying.  Many are made in USA or China.  Now, we understand the Physics behind their workings.  The first simple proof-of-concept experiment seems to indicate its validity...

Divine Wine is for all to share...  Love Thy Enemies...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 24, 2015, 04:16:03 PM
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Bill Fung and TS Lau will manage the videotaping of the first proof-of-concept experiment.  Much more work is needed.

I shall plan on the second experiment - circular motion.  The second experiment may already point to the full design of the lead-out energy flying saucer.

Can Hong Kong produce a lead-out energy flying saucer prototype?

Believe in Miracles... Love Thy Enemies...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 24, 2015, 10:50:38 PM
Experiment done on Dec 25, 2015

On Tseung Coil at 17.5V.  No surprises.

COP = 2.05
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 25, 2015, 10:52:43 AM
More experiments on Dec 25.

Tseung Coil with 4 magnets at 12V.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 25, 2015, 10:56:02 AM
More experiments on Dec 25.

Tseung Coil with 4 magnets at 24V.

Best COP.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 26, 2015, 12:43:13 AM
Can a garage mechanic with a DSO replicate the overunity experiment?

The question was raised in the Christmas Party.  My answer was a qualified YES.  The mechanic would have to do a 300 turn or up winding.  He needed to know how to use the DSO properly.  He needed to know the use of EXCEL to do the analysis.

He could gain most of the above knowledge from my posts in this thread.

If the mechanic were an academic establishment such as the Electrical Engineering Department of an University or a Military Research Department of a Nation, the answer will be a definite YES.

Divine Wine is for all to share... Turn the third class experiment to second or first... Love Thy Enemies...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 26, 2015, 08:39:21 AM
Phone conversation with a person who claimed to have connection with the Chinese Military.

Person: "Someone in authority is not happy with what you are doing.  They need to rethink their strategy because of your actions."

Tseung: "That is good.  Tell them to think Mutual Credits, Super Democracy, Super Silicon Valley Mentality and Love Thy Enemies."

Person: "You do not know your place in the World.  You are old and powerless.  Why do you upset others in authority?"

Tseung: "Edison invented the light bulb.  He upset many wealthy candle merchants."

Person: "If you want to be Jesus Christ, be prepared to be crucified."

An old man with half a foot in the grave is not afraid.  He can follow his dreams and ideals.  He does not need to go quietly like the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.

A New Paradigm needs a New Thinking.  Think International Brotherhood and Sisterhood...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 26, 2015, 02:30:58 PM
More experiments.  Tseung Coil at 24V with 2 coins.  No surprises.  4 Magnets.

COP =2.23
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 26, 2015, 03:47:51 PM
More experimental data on Tseung Coil at 24V with 5 magnets.

COP=2.84
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 26, 2015, 11:06:31 PM
Knowledge is the key to prosperity.  This is the traditional belief of the Chinese.  It was true a few thousand years ago and it is still true now.

At one time, only the elite could get education.  They tried to keep the knowledge to themselves.  Now, with the Internet, knowledge can be shared inexpensively and quickly.  Censorship is virtually impossible.

The knowledge of the lead-out energy flying saucer is out.  The first experimental results are available for all to examine and replicate.

China joined WTO and opened its domestic market to the World.  At one time, some Officials worried about the competition.  They feared that the superior quality goods from the West would dominate and wipe out the then weak Chinese Industries.  The big surprise was that many Multinationals, Medium and Small enterprises out-sourced to China – taking advantage of the much lower cost and efficient labor force.

Knowledge was passed on.  China was able to replicate and improve.  China became the Lowest Cost Producer and the Factory of the World.  The World enjoyed cheap goods.  The living standards of many improved.  One consequence is the much higher pollution in China.

Now China and USA definitely have the knowledge of the lead-out energy flying saucer.  Will they share it and benefit the World?  Can the pollution be cleaned up?

Knowledge is the key to prosperity.  It has the property that the more you give it away, the more you will have…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 27, 2015, 06:13:55 AM

The death of American research and development
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-death-of-american-research-and-development/ar-BBnMm14?oci

With America's economic rivals--in particular, China--showing no letup in their willingness to boost research and development, it may just be time to stop listening to investors betting on the short term and reignite the American love affair with corporate science. "If we don't do the basic research," says Marc Kastner, president of the Science Philanthropy Alliance, "other countries will."

Which Country will pour money into lead-out energy flying saucer research?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 27, 2015, 06:22:47 AM
The COP from the Tseung Coil dropped after adding the sixth magnet.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 27, 2015, 05:46:22 PM
Let us focus on the scientific discussion on the electrical input in the first proof-of-concept experiment.

The Pulse width waveform shown on the DSO depends on how long the experimenter presses on the ON/OFF switch.  It could vary from 250ms to over 500ms or longer.  It is definitely NOT the interaction time for the electrical power to pass via the magnetic repulsion.

I am using the approximate time for the magnet to jump twice the steady repulsion distance. That time is 50ms or less.

One suggestion is to use an auto pulse switch or mechanism to supply energy to the coil.  The Pulse length can be varied. 

Another suggestion is to use a laser detection ON/OFF mechanism.  This mechanism will be useful in the next circular motion experiment.

Any other bright ideas?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 28, 2015, 12:52:59 AM
The impact to society when the lead-out energy paradigm materializes.

1.    National boundaries become blurred.  Nationalism will give way to International Brotherhood or Sisterhood.
2.   Knowledge will be common place.  There will be sites claiming “verified” knowledge.  There will be many sites proposing half-baked ideas.
3.   Food will be plentiful and the prices will be low.  Many Nations will be self-sufficient.  Massive hunger will be history.
4.   Money will no longer be the criteria to measure wealth.  Many Nations will just print money rather than raise taxes.  Government infrastructure building, five year plans and generous social services will be the norm.
5.   Super Democracy will take hold.  Many political parties will send policy decisions to all voters.
6.   Competition via the “lowest cost” route will no longer be meaningful as Governments will subsidize workers in many ways such as low cost housing, education funds for children, free meals, free medical care, cheap transport etc.  Salaries will not be the main source of income.
7.   Restaurants and Retail Stores will compete on quality, name recognition, services and innovation.  Tourism will grow in importance.
8.   New ideas such as Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy, Super Silicon Valley Mentality, Love Thy Enemies etc. will fall on sympathetic ears.
9.   There will no longer be need for military superiority.  Nations can become prosperous via internally created wealth. 
10.   Commodity prices will be kept low as cost of re-circulation will be low with lead-out energy.  Most old clothes, electrical appliances, computers etc. will be taken apart and much of the material will be re-used.
11.   Drugs and new training methods greatly improved performance of athletes.  New drugs and new training methods will improve the mental ability of students.  (The popularity of the cellular phone already made remembering “things” a non-issue.)
12.   The rules, regulations, control mechanisms will be highly internationalized to ensure the smooth operation of millions of flying saucers.

Divine Wine is for all to share… Love Thy Enemies…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 29, 2015, 12:32:34 PM
Mr. Bill Fung and TS Lau did another 540 turn coil so that we have two almost identical solenoids for our two sets of apparatus.

The best result so far uses 540 turn coil, 5 magnets, at 24V gives COP = 3.01.

The assumption of interaction time was 50ms.  The COP would still be greater than 1 if we assume the interaction time was 150ms.

Any ones wants to turn the third class experiment to second or first?  One simple way is to have more turns.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 30, 2015, 12:03:51 AM
Comments on the latest 540 turn coil by Bill and Lau on Dec 29 using 5 Magnets and 24V.  The COP was 3.01.

The assumption of 50ms interaction time was used.  Even if we increase that time to 150ms, we still get overunity.  How much effort is required to produce a variable pulse circuit (from 10ms to 300ms)?

The 225 HP Pulse Motor used short pulses.  Can that be the clue to achieving overunity?
 
The coil got hot. Obviously, not all the electrical energy was converted to magnetic energy.

UFOs are flying.  Do we have the right theory?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 31, 2015, 02:11:00 AM
Today is the last day of 2015

I am enclosing the presentation file in PDF format.  There is still some controversy on the use of repulsion time for the first experiment.  However, I believe we have strong grounds for spreading the information and furthering more research.

My goal is not to produce an UFO.  China and USA have already done that.  My goal is to present a possible theory and to enable this paradigm to benefit all Human Beings.

Enjoy and God Bless.

Lawrence
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 04, 2016, 06:47:50 AM
Why is the Pulse Motor more effective in achieving overunity?

1.   When DC electrical energy is passed to the solenoid, some of the energy is used to align the “dipoles” to provide the magnetic repulsion.  Some of the energy is wasted as heat.  In molecular terms, some energy is supplied efficiently to align the dipoles and some energy is used to provide random molecular motion.
2.   The beginning of the pulse may be used to align the dipoles more.  The later part may be used more to provide random motion.  The sudden jumps and dips at the leading edge may be an indication.
3.   When the dipoles are aligned, the magnetic field is much stronger.  This can be considered as leading out energy from the environment.
4.   In circular motion, if we provide short pulses appropriately, we can get the unbalanced wheel to rotate faster and faster.  There is no need for a huge pulse.
5.   In the Milkovic two stage pendulum case, the weight would not be lifted until the amplitude was at a certain value.  After that, the video showed that the slight push of the fingers lifted the weight with about the same displacement.  Overunity or leading out of gravitational energy was then most evident.
6.   The Milkovic two stage pendulum could be replaced by the unbalanced Chan Wheel.  That allowed faster speed rotation and thus could lead out more energy.
7.   The pulse motor acted like the unbalanced Chan Wheel?  It could lead out gravitational energy.
8.   If gravitational energy can be led out, magnetic or electromagnetic energy should be able to be led out.  It is a matter of applying the fields properly. 
9.   The 225 HP Pulse Motor may be leading out both gravitational and magnetic/electromagnetic energy.  Research along such direction is likely to be fruitful.  It naturally leads to the development of the flying saucer if we use the centrifugal force difference properly.

Divine wine is for all to share…  Is China or USA ready to disclose the Top Secret?  Are there Nations ready to announce prototypes to benefit the World?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 06, 2016, 11:54:31 PM
Why is the Pulse Motor more effective in achieving overunity?

1.   When DC electrical energy is passed to the solenoid, some of the energy is used to align the “dipoles” to provide the magnetic repulsion.  Some of the energy is wasted as heat.  In molecular terms, some energy is supplied efficiently to align the dipoles and some energy is used to provide random molecular motion.
2.   The beginning of the pulse may be used to align the dipoles more.  The later part may be used more to provide random motion.  The sudden jumps and dips at the leading edge may be an indication.
3.   When the dipoles are aligned, the magnetic field is much stronger.  This can be considered as leading out energy from the environment.
4.   In circular motion, if we provide short pulses appropriately, we can get the unbalanced wheel to rotate faster and faster.  There is no need for a huge pulse.
….
 
3.   When the dipoles are aligned, the magnetic field is much stronger.  This can be considered as leading out energy from the environment.

The solenoid will no longer be a magnet when the DC current is OFF.  The process can be repeated.  The magnetic field can be hundreds or thousands times stronger if we have ferromagnetic material.  Can we say that more energy can be lead-out in such an environment?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 07, 2016, 12:13:00 AM
In the field of INNOVATION, one must be willing to challenge accepted concepts, religions, customs and even scientific concepts.  There is no authority that is sacred.

If we do not know how to use solar energy, building a plane using solar energy would be considered as unscientific.
 
Can we claim that we know lead-out energy well?  Can we conclusively say that we can or cannot use it?

Is the research worthwhile?  UFOs are flying.  Is that fact or fiction?  Is the flying saucer design in reply 1 of this thread valid?  Are we challenging the World when we proposed the lead-out energy flying saucer paradigm?

Love Thy Enemies.  They are the ones to challenge you to excel.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 07, 2016, 12:27:45 AM
In the field of INNOVATION, one must be willing to challenge accepted concepts, religions, customs and even scientific concepts.  There is no authority that is sacred.

If we do not know how to use solar energy, building a plane using solar energy would be considered as unscientific.
 
Can we claim that we know lead-out energy well?  Can we conclusively say that we can or cannot use it?

Is the research worthwhile?  UFOs are flying.  Is that fact or fiction?  Is the flying saucer design in reply 1 of this thread valid?  Are we challenging the World when we proposed the lead-out energy flying saucer paradigm?

Love Thy Enemies.  They are the ones to challenge you to excel.

Is running Innovative seminars worthwhile?  Should Innovative thoughts such as modern wealth, meaningful economic activities, mutual credits, super democracy, super Silicon Valley mentality be introduced in such seminars?

Can Hong Kong lead China and the World in the field of Innovation?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2016, 12:33:59 AM
Demonstrating Lead-out Energy

a.   We shall leverage on the many UFO sighting news recently.  We shall have articles on whether UFOs can be built with existing technology.  The articles in overunity.com under the “UFO Propu” thread will be useful.  The diagram in reply 1 will be heavily discussed.

b.   We shall build a large Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum.  The emphasis will be to show the leading-out of gravitational energy.  We shall direct attention to the weight remaining stationary when the amplitude of swing is small.  After a certain amplitude is achieved, a tiny push from the fingers will lift a heavy weight.  (Refer to the Rhead100 youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8).  We shall clearly mark when the lifting occurs.  The banging noise is expected to attract attention.

c.   We shall do the electromagnet repelling magnet experiment.  We can explain the leading out of magnetic/electromagnetic energy.  We shall improve with pulse circuits so that the duration of the pulse is short and consistent.  We shall also add experiments to show the advantage of using ferromagnetic materials.

d.   The basic lead-out energy diagram reproduced here will be heavily promoted.  Lead-out energy machines are NOT the impossible perpetual motion machines.

e.   The design diagram of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer will be thoroughly discussed.  (We do not have a working prototype yet but we shall try.  Miracles?)

We shall have some brain storming sessions and internet discussions.   Your participation is well appreciated.

Lawrence Tseung
Jan 9, 2016
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Demonstrating Lead-out Energy

a.   We shall leverage on the many UFO sighting news recently.  We shall have articles on whether UFOs can be built with existing technology.  The articles in overunity.com under the “UFO Propu” thread will be useful.  The diagram in reply 1 will be heavily discussed.

b.   We shall build a large Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum.  The emphasis will be to show the leading-out of gravitational energy.  We shall direct attention to the weight remaining stationary when the amplitude of swing is small.  After a certain amplitude is achieved, a tiny push from the fingers will lift a heavy weight.  (Refer to the Rhead100 youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8).  We shall clearly mark when the lifting occurs.  The banging noise is expected to attract attention.

c.   We shall do the electromagnet repelling magnet experiment.  We can explain the leading out of magnetic/electromagnetic energy.  We shall improve with pulse circuits so that the duration of the pulse is short and consistent.  We shall also add experiments to show the advantage of using ferromagnetic materials.

d.   The basic lead-out energy diagram reproduced here will be heavily promoted.  Lead-out energy machines are NOT the impossible perpetual motion machines.

e.   The design diagram of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer will be thoroughly discussed.  (We do not have a working prototype yet but we shall try.  Miracles?)

We shall have some brain storming sessions and internet discussions.   Your participation is well appreciated.

Lawrence Tseung
Jan 9, 2016

We shall show that a small number of turns solenoid will NOT produce the overunity numbers.  This can be compared with the Milkovic 2SO case.  When the amplitude is small, the weight will not be lifted.

Divine wine is to be shared.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers or sisters...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2016, 07:25:46 PM
Secret of FLEET

FLEET stands for Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer.

It is essentially a Joule Thief Circuit with a capacitor.

With the capacitor, we have a LCR resonance circuit.  Can we select/match the load to achieve resonance?

That is the secret in leading-out or bringing in electromagnetic energy from the environment using FLEET.

The attached diagram was taken in April 2012...

https://www.teslamotors.com/en_HK/powerwall
Tesla Motors has the powerwall product - probably using same principle...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2016, 11:41:33 PM
Secret of FLEET

FLEET stands for Forever Lead-out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer.

It is essentially a Joule Thief Circuit with a capacitor.

With the capacitor, we have a LCR resonance circuit.  Can we select/match the load to achieve resonance?

That is the secret in leading-out or bringing in electromagnetic energy from the environment using FLEET.

The attached diagram was taken in April 2012...

Can the resonance circuit pick up electromagnetic waves from the environment and use them? Can we think of it as a radio receiver picking up electromagnetic waves?

The Joule Thief can squeeze out the last bit of electricity from a battery because it has a transformer function to step up the voltage.  It also reduces the use of energy in lighting because it uses pulsing.  The pulsing rate is fast enough to deceive the eye.  The human eye thought that the lighting was continuous.  There will be a smaller loss due to heat.

Thus a run-low battery of say 0.7V can still light a 3V LED for some time.

The secret of FLEET and the Tesla Powerwall is out.  Can we further improve their efficiency???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 10, 2016, 12:01:28 AM
The Milkovic 2SO can bring-in gravitational energy...

The solenoid can bring-in magnetic energy of dipoles...

FLEET can bring-in electromagnetic energy...

Solar Cells can bring in light energy (part of electromagnetic energy)...

Can the QMOGENs be lead-out or bring-in energy systems???

How about the Newman, Bedini, Liang, Wang, William Skinner devices???

Can the top scientists of various Nations design and implement the lead-out energy flying saucer now???

Can some of the sighted UFOs be made in USA or China???

The lead-out energy flying saucer can be a deadly nuclear weapon delivery system.  But it can also benefit the World in unheard of ways...

We cannot stop scientific progress...

Love Thy Enemies...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 12, 2016, 01:08:57 AM
Had a good meeting on Lead-out Energy yesterday.  The key points are:
1.    Lead-out energy does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
2.   The FLEET prototype is likely to bring-in electromagnetic wave energy.
3.   The Tesla Powerwall product is likely to have elements of the FLEET technology.
4.   There can be a large demo of many thousand LEDs and fans using bicycle power.
5.   There can be a small unit that can be purchased or given as gifts.

Some after thoughts:
a.   North Korea has Nuclear weapons – even the hydrogen bomb.
b.   North Korea will research on delivery systems.
c.   The chance of North Korea developing an UFO is 100%.  It is just a matter of time.
d.   Other Nations will follow the example.
e.   The “safe” solution for the World is “Love Thy Enemies”.  Turn them into brothers and sisters…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 12, 2016, 11:31:27 PM
Had a good meeting on Lead-out Energy yesterday.  The key points are:
1.    Lead-out energy does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
2.   The FLEET prototype is likely to bring-in electromagnetic wave energy.
3.   The Tesla Powerwall product is likely to have elements of the FLEET technology.
4.   There can be a large demo of many thousand LEDs and fans using bicycle power.
5.   There can be a small unit that can be purchased or given as gifts.

Some after thoughts:
a.   North Korea has Nuclear weapons – even the hydrogen bomb.
b.   North Korea will research on delivery systems.
c.   The chance of North Korea developing an UFO is 100%.  It is just a matter of time.
d.   Other Nations will follow the example.
e.   The “safe” solution for the World is “Love Thy Enemies”.  Turn them into brothers and sisters…

Science cannot go backwards.  Can we go back to riding on horses?  Can we survive without electricity and running water?  Can we do without the Internet?  Once we know the lead-out energy flying saucer, can we Ignore it?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 13, 2016, 06:53:15 PM
Scientific Thoughts  at the Fishing Pond.

1. The Milkovic 2SO requires a very firm base and a large enough setup to show the effect. (The Centrifugal Force at the lowest point + the weight of the pendulum bulb must be large enough to produce the moment to lift the weight.)  This means the pendulum length must be long enough.  The construction must not have too much shaking.  A shaky construction a few years back was not able to produce the effect.

The Milkovic 2SO demonstrates leading out gravitational energy...

2. The repulsion experiment of a solenoid and a magnet also requires a large enough number of turns and sufficient jumping mass to show the effect.  A 130 turn solenoid with one jumping magnet could not show the effect.  The magnetic flux strength varies with NA where N is the number of turns and A is the current.  When we used 540 turns and  5 jumping magnets, the result was much better.  (We may have to use a Pulse Circuit or increase the number of turns to 1,000 or even 2,000 to be absolutely convincing).

The repulsion experiment demonstrates leading out magnetic energy...

3. The FLEET circuit uses a capacitor.  The capacitor should be a super capacitor to show the effect.  However, there is the element of resonance.  For a particular load, a particular resonance condition is better.  This will need more research and experimental tuning.  See the Geoffrey Sun prototype on youtube.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3sSus1-B4  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCe86-vCv0

The FLEET demonstrates leading out electromagnetic wave energy...

Lead-out energy is NOT a fiction.  It is science...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 13, 2016, 07:09:37 PM
Scientific Thoughts  at the Fishing Pond.

1. The Milkovic 2SO requires a very firm base and a large enough setup to show the effect. (The Centrifugal Force at the lowest point + the weight of the pendulum bulb must be large enough to produce the moment to lift the weight.)  This means the pendulum length must be long enough.  The construction must not have too much shaking.  A shaky construction a few years back was not able to produce the effect.

The Milkovic 2SO demonstrates leading out gravitational energy...

2. The repulsion experiment of a solenoid and a magnet also requires a large enough number of turns and sufficient jumping mass to show the effect.  A 130 turn solenoid with one jumping magnet could not show the effect.  The magnetic flux strength varies with NA where N is the number of turns and A is the current.  When we used 540 turns and  5 jumping magnets, the result was much better.  (We may have to use a Pulse Circuit or increase the number of turns to 1,000 or even 2,000 to be absolutely convincing).

The repulsion experiment demonstrates leading out magnetic energy...

3. The FLEET circuit uses a capacitor.  The capacitor should be a super capacitor to show the effect.  However, there is the element of resonance.  For a particular load, a particular resonance condition is better.  This will need more research and experimental tuning.  See the Geoffrey Sun prototype on youtube.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3sSus1-B4  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCe86-vCv0

The FLEET demonstrates leading out electromagnetic wave energy...

Lead-out energy is NOT a fiction.  It is science...

If lead-out energy is NOT a fiction, what are the chances of USA and China Military top scientists successfully implemented the design in reply 1 of this thread.  (or a much better version).  Some UFOs are man-made...

Do not turn them into weapon delivery systems.  Turn them into devices to benefit humanity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 13, 2016, 07:21:16 PM
The FLEET discussion is reproduced here to refresh memories.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:33:06 AM
Technically, can Hong Kong or any Nation build the Milkovic 2SO and demonstrate the leading-out of gravitational energy?

Can they then follow with the Chan Wheel?

Can they then use Magnet as pendulum bulb and place other magnets to demonstrate the leading-out of magnetic or electromagnetic energy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:37:32 AM
Technically, can Hong Kong or any other Nation do the magnetic repulsion experiment?

Can they wind a 1,000 turn solenoid?  Or 2,000 turns or more?

Can they use 5, 6, 7 or more jumping magnets?

Can they produce a pulse circuit that accurately reflects the period to supply electrical energy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:40:16 AM
Technically, can Hong Kong or any other Nation improve the FLEET technology?

Can they use different Inductor, Capacitor, Resistor and Transistors to do tuning and achieve resonance?

Can they buy the Tesla Powerwall product and examine the FLEET technology elements inside?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:43:37 AM
Technically, can Hong Kong or any other Nation develop a QMOGEN?

60 or more QMOGENs have been reported on the Internet. 

An USA patent was granted in Aug 2006.

Tsinghua University had an energy multiplier QMOGEN in the 1990s.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:45:49 AM
Technically, can Hong Kong or any other Nation produce an overunity Pulse Motor?

The 225 HP Pulse Motor was funded by Jupiter Fund of Hong Kong in the early 2000s.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 01:49:02 AM
Can Hong Kong or any other Nation develop the flying saucer based on the design of reply 1 of this thread?

King David killed Goliath with the sling...

Is the physics of faster the angular velocity, higher will be the centrifugal force correct?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 06:27:17 PM
Intellectually, is super democracy better? 

Can the Internet help in the process?

Can Hong Kong lead the discussion?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 06:30:12 PM
Intellectually, is Super Silicon Valley Mentally better in fostering innovation?

Should we think outside the box?

Should we treat ourselves as Gods.  Examine and make New Rules?

Can Hong Kong lead the discussion?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 06:33:52 PM
Intellectually, is striving to become the Lowest Cost Producer in all areas good for the World?

Can we introduce Mutual Credits, Meaningful Economic Activities and Modern Wealth to set a new order?

Can Hong Kong lead the discussion?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2016, 06:39:23 PM
Intellectually, is Love Thy Enemies better than killing or suppressing them?

Knowledge and technical capability will keep going up.  All will learn and produce the lead-out flying saucers sooner or later. 

Can Hong Kong lead the World in such discussions?

Can Hong Kong become the Innovation Center of the World?

What will be the reactions from USA and China???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 15, 2016, 07:54:03 AM
Will the new Innovation and Technology bureau embrace lead-out energy flying saucer?


What steps will the Chinese Government take?


Will the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier or the 225 HP PUlse Motor see day light?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 16, 2016, 01:44:58 AM
Will the new Innovation and Technology bureau embrace lead-out energy flying saucer?


What steps will the Chinese Government take?


Will the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier or the 225 HP PUlse Motor see day light?

My guess is that the Hong Kong Innovation and Technology Bureau in Hong Kong will consult the Chinese Government.  It will rightly speculate that the technology may be top military secret. 

The Chinese Government is likely to remain silent until a third Nation announces and demonstrates the technology.

Who will be this Third Nation?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 26, 2016, 12:01:55 AM
Meeting Summary at a non-profit organization

1.   If Man-made UFOs are flying, there is no time pressure to do proof-of concept experiments.  Involve many other non-profit minded individuals and organizations to benefit humanity.
2.   Perfect the technique of winding thousand turn solenoids.  The circular unbalanced wheel (variation of the 225 HP Pulse Motor) is likely to need many solenoids.
3.   Space and basic equipment are available.  Some advanced equipment such as 3D Printing are also available.  Develop the best techniques and practices.  Funding is available when there are good demonstrations.
4.   The Military aspects of the Flying Saucer is obvious even to the layman.  There is no need to emphasize them.
5.   Talk about the joy of flying in a family flying saucer.  Compare it to the horse,  the bicycle and the motor car.
6.   The concept of leading-out or bringing-in energy from the environment is easy to grasp with slide 5 of the PDF file in reply 323.  Try to develop the cases one at a time.  Show clearly how and how much energy is brought-in.

The new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer is coming.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 26, 2016, 03:11:46 AM
Leading-out gravitational energy
Reference: Rhead100 video 6.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

1.   At 2:07 time, the 46 pound pendulum was at its maximum height position.  A small push with the fingers lifted the 74 pound weight twice.
2.   Between 2:07 and 3:30, note that the weight was lifted twice with each push from the fingers.
3.   The weight was lifted when the pendulum was at the lowest height position.
4.   That position was the highest velocity position.  The centrifugal force was highest.
5.   Notice that the maximum swing position was hardly changed.

Some possible deductions:
a.   The 74 pound weight was not lifted until the amplitude of the swing was high enough.
b.   The sum of the twice lifted height appeared to be more than the once movement of the fingers.
c.   The potential energy shown by the 74 pound weight was given by the formula mgh where m is mass of the 74 pound weight, g is the gravitational acceleration and h is the total height lifted.
d.   The supplied energy is the force of the push (f) times the finger movement (d) or fd.
e.   It appeared that output energy was more than supplied energy (mgh > fd) between 2:07 and 3:30.  Before 2:07, the supplied energy is used to increase the amplitude of the swing. 

Our explanation is that gravitational energy was lead-out or brought-in.  There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.  That video was an experimental confirmation.

It may be worthwhile to reproduce the Raymond Head setup so that the experiment can be repeated and improved.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 06:59:09 AM
Academic paper concluding that the output energy is greater than the supplied energy in the Milkovic 2SO.

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/G.R.Nikhade_R.U.Patil_S.P.Bansal_Two-stage_oscillator_mechanism_for_operating_a_reciprocating%20pump.pdf

CONCLUSION AND DISCUSSION 

Based on the results obtained after testing the model, it was quite obvious that the amount of energy to be given to the system is less than the amount of energy obtained from the system. Actually the system takes its energy from the nature i.e. gravity. So if, along with the input energy, the energy from the nature is also considered then the efficiency of the system would be less than 100 % and if only input energy is considered then its efficiency would be greater than 100 % for certain period of time.

*** There is no need for us to replicate the experiments again...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 09:33:49 AM
Academic paper concluding that the output energy is greater than the supplied energy in the Milkovic 2SO.

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/G.R.Nikhade_R.U.Patil_S.P.Bansal_Two-stage_oscillator_mechanism_for_operating_a_reciprocating%20pump.pdf

CONCLUSION AND DISCUSSION 

Based on the results obtained after testing the model, it was quite obvious that the amount of energy to be given to the system is less than the amount of energy obtained from the system. Actually the system takes its energy from the nature i.e. gravity. So if, along with the input energy, the energy from the nature is also considered then the efficiency of the system would be less than 100 % and if only input energy is considered then its efficiency would be greater than 100 % for certain period of time.

*** There is no need for us to replicate the experiments again...

If gravitational energy can be brought-in by the mechanical two stage pendulum system, we shall be able to bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy.  All we need to do is to replace the pendulum with a magnet and set up appropriate magnetic or electromagnetic fields.

With electromagnetic fields, we have the advantage of varying the strength and direction of the field.  We can even turn on and off the field.

Apparently, this was already achieved in the 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier and other Pulse Motors...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 09:40:26 AM
If gravitational energy can be brought-in by the mechanical two stage pendulum system, we shall be able to bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy.  All we need to do is to replace the pendulum with a magnet and set up appropriate magnetic or electromagnetic fields.

With electromagnetic fields, we have the advantage of varying the strength and direction of the field.  We can even turn on and off the field.

Apparently, this was already achieved in the 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier and other Pulse Motors...

The lead-out energy flying saucer design in reply 1 of this thread should be easy to understand now.

China and USA already built UFOs.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 09:50:29 AM
Meeting Summary at a non-profit organization

1.   If Man-made UFOs are flying, there is no time pressure to do proof-of concept experiments.  Involve many other non-profit minded individuals and organizations to benefit humanity.
2.   Perfect the technique of winding thousand turn solenoids.  The circular unbalanced wheel (variation of the 225 HP Pulse Motor) is likely to need many solenoids.
3.   Space and basic equipment are available.  Some advanced equipment such as 3D Printing are also available.  Develop the best techniques and practices.  Funding is available when there are good demonstrations.
4.   The Military aspects of the Flying Saucer is obvious even to the layman.  There is no need to emphasize them.
5.   Talk about the joy of flying in a family flying saucer.  Compare it to the horse,  the bicycle and the motor car.
6.   The concept of leading-out or bringing-in energy from the environment is easy to grasp with slide 5 of the PDF file in reply 323.  Try to develop the cases one at a time.  Show clearly how and how much energy is brought-in.
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The new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer is coming.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.

Many people have travelled on horse backs, rode on bicycles and drove cars.  I had the added pleasure of "flying as a learner pilot" on planes.

I can still remember the first time sensation of riding on and controlling such devices.  I am sure riding on the lead-out energy flying saucer will yield the same type of sensation...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 11:02:15 AM
Many people have travelled on horse backs, rode on bicycles and drove cars.  I had the added pleasure of "flying as a learner pilot" on planes.

I can still remember the first time sensation of riding on and controlling such devices.  I am sure riding on the lead-out energy flying saucer will  yield the same type of sensation...

I still have to buy gas for the car.  If I do not need to buy fuel on the flying saucer...

Going to anywhere on Earth is easy.  Crossing Country Borders?  Going to the moon is possible...

Have USA and China mastered the technology???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 06:07:32 PM
Leading-out gravitational energy
Reference: Rhead100 video 6.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

1.   At 2:07 time, the 46 pound pendulum was at its maximum height position.  A small push with the fingers lifted the 74 pound weight twice.
2.   Between 2:07 and 3:30, note that the weight was lifted twice with each push from the fingers.
3.   The weight was lifted when the pendulum was at the lowest height position.
4.   That position was the highest velocity position.  The centrifugal force was highest.
5.   Notice that the maximum swing position was hardly changed.

Some possible deductions:
a.   The 74 pound weight was not lifted until the amplitude of the swing was high enough.
b.   The sum of the twice lifted height appeared to be more than the once movement of the fingers.
c.   The potential energy shown by the 74 pound weight was given by the formula mgh where m is mass of the 74 pound weight, g is the gravitational acceleration and h is the total height lifted.
d.   The supplied energy is the force of the push (f) times the finger movement (d) or fd.
e.   It appeared that output energy was more than supplied energy (mgh > fd) between 2:07 and 3:30.  Before 2:07, the supplied energy is used to increase the amplitude of the swing. 

Our explanation is that gravitational energy was lead-out or brought-in.  There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.  That video was an experimental confirmation.

It may be worthwhile to reproduce the Raymond Head setup so that the experiment can be repeated and improved.

One way to improve the Milkovic 2SO is to replace the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel.   
For small oscillations, the unbalanced wheel acts exactly like a pendulum.
In the case of a pendulum, the amount of energy provided per unit time (power) is limited by the oscillation period. 
The unbalanced wheel can have much faster rotation.  The Chan Wheel is a good example.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 06:16:30 PM
Now we are going to discuss ways of bringing-in electromagnetic energy.
1.   Light is a form of electromagnetic energy.  We can use solar panels to bring-in energy of light.
2.   Radio receivers or antennas can pick up electromagnetic waves.  If we can bring-in a larger spectrum of electromagnetic waves than the light waves, we are in a better position.
3.   Can resonance circuits such as FLEET or the TPU bring-in electromagnetic waves?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 06:28:49 PM
If we pass DC current through a coil, the magnetic field produced will be dependent on N*A where N is the number of turns and A is the current.

If we keep increasing N and keep A approximately the same, can we produce a high magnetic field?

Our magnet and coil repulsion experiment tests this relationship.

The use of ferromagnetic material can increase the magnetic field even more...

Is this a case of Inputting X units of electrical energy can lead-out Y units of magnetic energy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2016, 06:44:56 PM
Man-made UFOs from China and USA are flying.

It takes lots of brains to develop the first UFO.  It does not take that much brain to copy or replicate.

The power structure of the World will change with the lead-out energy flying saucer.

The physics and the technology is clear.

But how would it change the power structure of the World?  Will the existing power (USA) suppress it?  Will it eventually see day light???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 28, 2016, 12:52:59 AM
Which Country will produce the first commercial lead-out energy flying saucer prototype?

Which Country will introduce the first commercial product?

Which Country will eventually produce the largest number of commercial flying saucers?

Which Country will first adopt lead-out energy machines to generate electricity?

Clues:

1.  Hong Kong funded the 225 HP Pulse Motor that was developed in USA.

2.  Tsinghua University has the Energy Multiplier QMOGEN in the 1990s.

3.  USA granted a QMOGEN patent in Aug 2006.

4.  Milkovic 2SO was revealed in 1999.

5.  Japan has little natural oil resources.  It is scared of Nuclear Power Stations.  Its technical capability is amongst the best in the World.

There has been more than 30,000 hits on this thread.  The knowledge is no longer confined to a handful...

Governments will fund strategic research...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Magluvin on January 28, 2016, 01:07:10 AM
I saw the first episode of the new xfiles 2 weeks ago.  It was about how the gov copied the tech from roswell and uses the tech and lets the blame of sightings fall on alien conspiracy but the aliens are not involved. Anyway, good episode if any are interested. Can catch it on the net im sure.

Was thinking a bit about anti gravity. Like if it were a toroid core wound like we see them, just for example, then I wouldnt see that there were forces surrounding the core and windings causing an upward lift from the planet, I would more tend to think that there would have to be something happening in the core and or windings that shifts or somehow alters the mass of the 'engine' lets say, to nullify or even reverse its part in the pull from the earth.  Just a recent thought.


Mags
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 28, 2016, 07:27:15 AM
I saw the first episode of the new xfiles 2 weeks ago.  It was about how the gov copied the tech from roswell and uses the tech and lets the blame of sightings fall on alien conspiracy but the aliens are not involved. Anyway, good episode if any are interested. Can catch it on the net im sure.

Was thinking a bit about anti gravity. Like if it were a toroid core wound like we see them, just for example, then I wouldnt see that there were forces surrounding the core and windings causing an upward lift from the planet, I would more tend to think that there would have to be something happening in the core and or windings that shifts or somehow alters the mass of the 'engine' lets say, to nullify or even reverse its part in the pull from the earth.  Just a recent thought.




Please examine the ninth design of the flying saucer in reply 1.

The high angular velocity at the top provides a higher centrifugal force.  It is this simple.

It is reproduced here. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 29, 2016, 09:06:28 AM
Is lead-out energy flying saucer paradigm really possible?

Without knowledge of science,

1.  Was steam engine possible?

2.  Was Iron ship possible?

3.  Was air plane possible?

4.  Was Atomic Bomb possible?

5.  Was Internet possible?

Can we bring-in energy from:

1. Gravity?
2. Electromagnetic waves?
3. Air?
4.  Electron motion?
5.  Magnets and ferromagnetic material?

UFOs made in USA and China are flying...

Should we acquire that knowledge?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 29, 2016, 09:39:22 PM
If USA already mastered the lead-out energy flying saucer technology, why would it keep the technology top secret?

The technology will wipe out its military superiority.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 29, 2016, 11:00:13 PM
One thought - if we can reduce the weight of any object via the lead-out energy flying saucer mechanism - cars, trains, ships etc. can be lighter.

The lead-out energy part provides the energy.  The flying saucer part makes the object lighter.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 31, 2016, 08:03:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc

The above youtube video suggested the use of diode circuits to "capture" energy of surrounding electromagnetic waves other than light.

The FLEET circuit has LEDs acting as diodes...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 03, 2016, 12:50:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStFvcz9Or4

Top 10 renewable energy sources of tomorrow.

The lead-out energy flying saucer is not in the list yet...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 03, 2016, 09:04:15 PM
We have decided to use the Upcycling Center in Wan Chai to do our research and development. 

The planned demonstrations are:

1.    Milkovic 2SO and Chan Wheel to show the leading-out of gravitational energy.
2.   The Magnet-Solenoid repulsion experiment to show the leading-out of magnetic energy.
3.   FLEET to show the leading-out of electromagnetic energy.
4.   QMOGEN to show the leading-out of both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.
5.   The lead-out energy flying saucer to show generation of net thrust with 225 HP Pulse type arrangement.

There is no urgency as the Flying Sauces from USA and China are already flying.  Our goal is to preach Love Thy Enemies – turn them into Brothers and Sisters.  The technology is to benefit all.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 04, 2016, 04:53:17 PM
We have decided to use the Upcycling Center in Wan Chai to do our research and development. 

The planned demonstrations are:

1.    Milkovic 2SO and Chan Wheel to show the leading-out of gravitational energy.
2.   The Magnet-Solenoid repulsion experiment to show the leading-out of magnetic energy.
3.   FLEET to show the leading-out of electromagnetic energy.
4.   QMOGEN to show the leading-out of both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.
5.   The lead-out energy flying saucer to show generation of net thrust with 225 HP Pulse type arrangement.


There is no urgency as the Flying Sauces from USA and China are already flying.  Our goal is to preach Love Thy Enemies – turn them into Brothers and Sisters.  The technology is to benefit all.

It's good to see you are still hard at work unifying your theory. that will come in handy in the future,
 when people have to convert units from ZPE to Lead-Out units.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 04, 2016, 08:10:37 PM
Leading-out gravitational energy
Reference: Rhead100 video 6.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8)

1.   At 2:07 time, the 46 pound pendulum was at its maximum height position.  A small push with the fingers lifted the 74 pound weight twice.
2.   Between 2:07 and 3:30, note that the weight was lifted twice with each push from the fingers.
3.   The weight was lifted when the pendulum was at the lowest height position.
4.   That position was the highest velocity position.  The centrifugal force was highest.
5.   Notice that the maximum swing position was hardly changed.

Some possible deductions:
a.   The 74 pound weight was not lifted until the amplitude of the swing was high enough.
b.   The sum of the twice lifted height appeared to be more than the once movement of the fingers.
c.   The potential energy shown by the 74 pound weight was given by the formula mgh where m is mass of the 74 pound weight, g is the gravitational acceleration and h is the total height lifted.
d.   The supplied energy is the force of the push (f) times the finger movement (d) or fd.
e.   It appeared that output energy was more than supplied energy (mgh > fd) between 2:07 and 3:30.  Before 2:07, the supplied energy is used to increase the amplitude of the swing. 

Our explanation is that gravitational energy was lead-out or brought-in.  There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.  That video was an experimental confirmation.

It may be worthwhile to reproduce the Raymond Head setup so that the experiment can be repeated and improved.


Unbalanced chan wheel shows Milkovic 2SO effect...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4rgLBU34Oo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4rgLBU34Oo)

Balanced chan wheel does not show milkovic 2SO effect...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqtp4-X6TGI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqtp4-X6TGI)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 06, 2016, 08:17:29 PM
Feb 8 is the beginning of the Chinese New Year of the Monkey.  Money represents intelligence and mobility.
Wishing you all a prosperous New Year.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 09, 2016, 08:52:27 PM
http://www.space.com/31860-north-korea-satellite-launch.html


North Korea launched satellite into space on Feb 7, 2016.


In the long run, all Nations will acquire the knowledge of the atomic bomb and the rockets.


The lead-out energy flying saucer will be developed for commercial use.  Once humans know about the technology advances, there is no going back.  Can we do without electricity?  Can we do without the motor car?  Can we do without the plane? Can we do without the Internet?


What is the correct path to ensure peace and prosperity for all?


Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on February 10, 2016, 05:15:32 AM
http://www.space.com/31860-north-korea-satellite-launch.html


North Korea launched satellite into space on Feb 7, 2016.


In the long run, all Nations will acquire the knowledge of the atomic bomb and the rockets.


The lead-out energy flying saucer will be developed for commercial use.  Once humans know about the technology advances, there is no going back.  Can we do without electricity?  Can we do without the motor car?  Can we do without the plane? Can we do without the Internet?


What is the correct path to ensure peace and prosperity for all?


Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.

oh great, now that sociomurderous dictator has sought to launch things.
what a major headcase that complete piece of garbage is.

hurry up and build your spaceship for us because if things go south, we are gonna need it.
those launches are the posturing of a delusional sociopath who happens to think hes a friggin messiah.

he's murdered before, and now he has a bigger gun.
it would be ideal if someone within north korean army just walked through the corridor leading to the their dictators office, and drove a pencil into the side of his neck then breaking it in half. now that would be a real hero of humanity that one. sad to say.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 10, 2016, 05:44:06 AM
oh great, now that sociomurderous dictator has sought to launch things.
what a major headcase that complete piece of garbage is.

hurry up and build your spaceship for us because if things go south, we are gonna need it.
those launches are the posturing of a delusional sociopath who happens to think hes a friggin messiah.

he's murdered before, and now he has a bigger gun.
it would be ideal if someone within north korean army just walked through the corridor leading to the their dictators office, and drove a pencil into the side of his neck then breaking it in half. now that would be a real hero of humanity that one. sad to say.


Your suggestions are totally opposite to Love Thy Enemies and Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.


The approach I would take is to encourage tourism both ways with North Korea.  Let them know the World and let the World know them better.  We have seen South Korea developed into a peaceful, prosperous Nation without Nuclear weapons.  Technologically, they are capable of doing so.  They choose not to because they do not feel threatened.


North Koreans are Brothers and Sisters of South Koreans.  Can they become Brothers and Sisters of China, USA and other Nations?


The rest of the World have seen goods made in China.  Many have contacts with the Chinese tourists.  Do they believe that the Chinese will try to destroy them with Nuclear Bombs?  It took China many years and effort to change its image from Opium Smokers to Olympics Champions...


Do not believe in the Media and Government Rubbish.  All humans want to enjoy peaceful and happier lives.  They now have examples of Germany, Japan, the Asia Tigers and China enjoying much prosperity without conquests. 


Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on February 10, 2016, 09:14:52 AM

Your suggestions are totally opposite to Love Thy Enemies and Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.


The approach I would take is to encourage tourism both ways with North Korea.  Let them know the World and let the World know them better.  We have seen South Korea developed into a peaceful, prosperous Nation without Nuclear weapons.  Technologically, they are capable of doing so.  They choose not to because they do not feel threatened.


North Koreans are Brothers and Sisters of South Koreans.  Can they become Brothers and Sisters of China, USA and other Nations?


The rest of the World have seen goods made in China.  Many have contacts with the Chinese tourists.  Do they believe that the Chinese will try to destroy them with Nuclear Bombs?  It took China many years and effort to change its image from Opium Smokers to Olympics Champions...


Do not believe in the Media and Government Rubbish.  All humans want to enjoy peaceful and happier lives.  They now have examples of Germany, Japan, the Asia Tigers and China enjoying much prosperity without conquests. 


Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.

ok, somehow you misinterpreted the meaning of what was important that i was talking about there.
not sure how you can not see that the dictator of north korea, starves and sometimes kills his supposedly own north korean people at the drop of a sociopath hat.

do you not think the north koreans wish they had a better quality of life?
they must clearly be living in fear due to their scary dangerous leader.
ever see north korean news? the reporters are appearing very under the manipulative control of their murderous self elected leader.
who in fact thinks hes like one of those odd messiahs that keep showing up, keshe and the other competitive one who sends creepy letters to touring violinists. you know, those types of delusional nutbars.

only in north korea its alot more dangerous when some scary piece of garbage declares to his north korean captives (read citizens), that he in fact happens to be a god.

amazing how you went past considering that before responding as you did.
i actually want to see the north koreans to have a much better life, not the reverse of that!
get it right please.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2016, 10:34:27 AM
ok, somehow you misinterpreted the meaning of what was important that i was talking about there.
not sure how you can not see that the dictator of north korea, starves and sometimes kills his supposedly own north korean people at the drop of a sociopath hat.

do you not think the north koreans wish they had a better quality of life?
they must clearly be living in fear due to their scary dangerous leader.
ever see north korean news? the reporters are appearing very under the manipulative control of their murderous self elected leader.
who in fact thinks hes like one of those odd messiahs that keep showing up, keshe and the other competitive one who sends creepy letters to touring violinists. you know, those types of delusional nutbars.

only in north korea its alot more dangerous when some scary piece of garbage declares to his north korean captives (read citizens), that he in fact happens to be a god.

amazing how you went past considering that before responding as you did.
i actually want to see the north koreans to have a much better life, not the reverse of that!
get it right please.

Their government is exactly like ours my friend. They are a democratic republic. Modeled after the united states.
The problem they encountered, is they did not actively engage in world trade, the subsequent seclusion allowed for corruption within the government to take place at a much faster rate.

The same corruption exists within our own government, although deeply embedded within our economic structure.
We are heading towards where they already are, and most Americans don't see it happening.
The only major difference between US and them, is that we still support a government sponsored welfare program.
Without this, our citizens would be starving just like them. Most of their problems with the rest of the world are derived from OUR OWN mistreatment of their government on an international level.

Within the N Korean social structure, you basically have the "haves" and the "have nots".
whereas we have a middle ground, because our legal freedoms allow for that at the moment....
But the separation of classes is becoming more extreme here in the US.
at some point the system no longer supports itself, and we end up with a situation like N Korea.
where americans spend their every last penny just to survive, waiting until the next payday to eat again.

 we already have nuclear weapons
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2016, 10:46:27 AM

What is the correct path to ensure peace and prosperity for all?


Remove the economic factor and make everything free
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on February 10, 2016, 12:01:23 PM
Their government is exactly like ours my friend. They are a democratic republic. Modeled after the united states.
The problem they encountered, is they did not actively engage in world trade, the subsequent seclusion allowed for corruption within the government to take place at a much faster rate.

The same corruption exists within our own government, although deeply embedded within our economic structure.
We are heading towards where they already are, and most Americans don't see it happening.
The only major difference between US and them, is that we still support a government sponsored welfare program.
Without this, our citizens would be starving just like them. Most of their problems with the rest of the world are derived from OUR OWN mistreatment of their government on an international level.

Within the N Korean social structure, you basically have the "haves" and the "have nots".
whereas we have a middle ground, because our legal freedoms allow for that at the moment....
But the separation of classes is becoming more extreme here in the US.
at some point the system no longer supports itself, and we end up with a situation like N Korea.
where americans spend their every last penny just to survive, waiting until the next payday to eat again.

 we already have nuclear weapons

ya the usa elections are showing noticeable signs of always never talking about the important things during debates.
or questions that do get answered are so broad spectrum and never properly defined when asked about exactly what their goals are if elected.
grandstanding and showboating, half of them are not dealing with a full deck. and yet somehow those are the ones that find themselves plastered into the choices of who people get to choose.

its not a proper fair process the way these sort of elections are currently.
not enough good choices to choose from.
and not enough transparency allowed, careful prescreening of the general publics questions should not be allowed.
it really should be much more easy to select from a premium selection.
too many of them are clearly bought and owned.

other countries seem to follow that same dysfunctional approach.

then again, theres a ton of strange belief systems involved in trying to be too close to the easy button. not so good.
i consider donald trump to be trouble based on getting to know how he ticks.
dunno whos gonna win, maybe nobody wins.
vote for bernie seems the ideal choice.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 11, 2016, 01:02:44 AM
The World, including Hong Kong and USA itself, is suffering from the stupid Democracy.


Democracy has the advantage of peaceful transfer of power.  But it has the disadvantage of the politicians trying to make each other look bad.  Good policies got distorted or misinterpreted or prevented from happening.  The goal - get the person in power down - so that one has a chance.


The Internet now allows Super Democracy.  Important issues can be debated and voted by all voters and not representatives.


Which Country will go for Super Democracy first?


Which Country will roll out the commercial lead-out energy flying saucer first?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on February 11, 2016, 03:34:11 AM
The World, including Hong Kong and USA itself, is suffering from the stupid Democracy.


Democracy has the advantage of peaceful transfer of power.  But it has the disadvantage of the politicians trying to make each other look bad.  Good policies got distorted or misinterpreted or prevented from happening.  The goal - get the person in power down - so that one has a chance.


The Internet now allows Super Democracy.  Important issues can be debated and voted by all voters and not representatives.


Which Country will go for Super Democracy first?


Which Country will roll out the commercial lead-out energy flying saucer first?


this should help you to put it into perspective a little more close to resembling accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXYykRBWqmQ

all kinds of crazy going on inside the north korean dictators defective brain matter.

if you can't see whats wrong with him after seeing that link,
then you are suffering from a form of delusion, or, your gov't told you to never say anything againsts north korea for some reason that you will never mention.
the truth is they just went nuclear in north korea, and the sociopath goal for them is to create mass production of dangerous surplus, all in the dangerous hands of a murderous sociopath. hes killed all kinds of people already, family, friends, whoever. hes a complete piece of garbage, and for you to avoid realizing the scope of his madness, suggests you may in fact have some, missing cards from a less than full deck. will all due respect sir.
is there enough compassion within your understanding?
not covering it up and painting over as any less than creepy.
scary how this happens so easily for you, i am humbled by this communication with you. :(
if only you were allowed to study about it, maybe you are not even allowed to do that.
you certainly wont question or consider open discussion on the north korean concerns the world has. don't try to paint other countries as anything like north korea.
china is not exactly the post card of perfection, you already know that though, and its ok, you don't even have to talk about that. we get it.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: SoManyWires on February 11, 2016, 03:49:23 AM
Their government is exactly like ours my friend. They are a democratic republic. Modeled after the united states.
The problem they encountered, is they did not actively engage in world trade, the subsequent seclusion allowed for corruption within the government to take place at a much faster rate.

The same corruption exists within our own government, although deeply embedded within our economic structure.
We are heading towards where they already are, and most Americans don't see it happening.
The only major difference between US and them, is that we still support a government sponsored welfare program.
Without this, our citizens would be starving just like them. Most of their problems with the rest of the world are derived from OUR OWN mistreatment of their government on an international level.

Within the N Korean social structure, you basically have the "haves" and the "have nots".
whereas we have a middle ground, because our legal freedoms allow for that at the moment....
But the separation of classes is becoming more extreme here in the US.
at some point the system no longer supports itself, and we end up with a situation like N Korea.
where americans spend their every last penny just to survive, waiting until the next payday to eat again.

 we already have nuclear weapons

the haves and have nots in north korea. why are they there?
how can they be so compared to other countries?
do other countries have a sociopath that tells everyone that he is a god?
and slaughters people in ways that so much ego, nobody else around him can feel confident to ever question his authority when he does that?

this is just a distortion you are making when comparing north korea to other forms of delusional management.
i don't get why the usa dollar has to say: in god we trust.
there has never been any proof to validate such a claim.
so why is this fractionalized reservation of the meaning of a dollar?
some sort of example of how putting trust into a fictional cartoon character somehow makes it just fine to keep borrowing against this fractionalized design with ever increasing debt ceiling that has its own ozone layer its getting to be?

whats next?

ideally some plan much better of what has been seen to the 2000 or so year calendar has allowed to occur.
guess we are just going to sit back and watch their damn circus acts carry on in unpredictable scary ways.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 12, 2016, 02:36:24 AM
the haves and have nots in north korea. why are they there?
how can they be so compared to other countries?
do other countries have a sociopath that tells everyone that he is a god?
and slaughters people in ways that so much ego, nobody else around him can feel confident to ever question his authority when he does that?

this is just a distortion you are making when comparing north korea to other forms of delusional management.
i don't get why the usa dollar has to say: in god we trust.
there has never been any proof to validate such a claim.
so why is this fractionalized reservation of the meaning of a dollar?
some sort of example of how putting trust into a fictional cartoon character somehow makes it just fine to keep borrowing against this fractionalized design with ever increasing debt ceiling that has its own ozone layer its getting to be?

whats next?

ideally some plan much better of what has been seen to the 2000 or so year calendar has allowed to occur.
guess we are just going to sit back and watch their damn circus acts carry on in unpredictable scary ways.


Invasion of Iraq in 2003

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq)

USA used the excuse that Iraq had mass destruction weapons.  What happened was mass suffering of the Iraqis and generated hatred towards the Americans.

Will USA invade North Korea?  The chances are low.  But will they try to assassinate or send in drones?  Will they impose sanctions that are impossible to enforce?

What is the correct path to take?

My suggestion is to use Mutual Credits etc to produce win-win situations.  Turn Enemies into Brothers and Sisters...

Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer paradigm is coming.  That knowledge and technology will spread similar to the Internet.  The secret cannot be kept for long.  We have used the Internet to do more good than evil.  Can we use the lead-out energy flying saucer technology to do more good than evil???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 12, 2016, 03:03:58 AM
UFO sightings in North Korea.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psO-D7JKu3c


Is it possible that North Korea Scientists are also experimenting with UFOs?


The chance of their discovering a design similar to reply 1 of this thread is 100%.  The chance of their top scientists capable of implementing such a device is ...



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 12, 2016, 04:52:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5fBraT9D48


Found this AfricanPod presentation interesting.  Very powerful insights.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 12, 2016, 09:08:39 PM
The lead-out energy flying saucer technology is new.

The basic Physics is not that difficult to understand.

As one retired Physics Teacher said, "Your New Year Greeting Card (reply 359) showed the way.  I can now explain it with confidence.  Man-made UFOs are no longer a joke."


The World can learn and develop this technology together.  We all start at ground zero.  We can all fly to outer space without chemical fuel.  It is a new paradigm.  It can be used as weapons. Or it can benefit all.

We are all students and beginners in this new technology.  It is like the discovery of electricity again.  Electricity gave rise to numerous inventions such as light, stoves, motors, T.V., computers etc.  This technology will make energy non-polluting, objects lighter and move easily.  The possible improvement to existing appliances is vast.  New devices will test our collective imagination and innovation.

Humans no longer need to worry about energy and transport.  The related problems of food, lack of resources etc will disappear.  The World will be much closer.  We can no longer ignore each other. The Global Economy will take on a new meaning.

We cannot afford to become enemies.  The weapons of destruction are too horrifying.  We must turn enemies into brothers and sisters...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 12, 2016, 09:23:28 PM
My advice to China in relation to the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is as follows:

1.  Demonstrate a flying saucer even if it is not fully developed.
2.  Set up research centers around the World to develop this technology.
3.  Let many people shine.  Pay special attention to people from Developing Nations.
4.  Introduce new concepts such as Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth, Super Democracy etc.
5.  Promote Love Thy Enemies - turn them into Brothers and Sisters.

At present, many people still think that the Chinese are just copycats.  They do not have earth-shaking innovations.  The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer will change that conception.

I happen to be a Chinese-American.  I believe the narrow minded nationality will fade away.  We are all One People.  One World, One Dream...


*** My advice to USA is:


1.  Do not make more enemies.  All humans can learn.  If they have hatred in their hearts, they will not be our Brothers and Sisters.
2.  Sanctions and Isolation will not work.  That is likely to drive them to develop more weapon systems.
3.  After WW2, Germany, Japan, Italy were no longer enemies.  They showed that prosperity could be achieved without conquests.
4.  Do not export stupid democracy and freedom.  Invading other Nations using the excuse of freeing their people will not fool any one.  Export Super Democracy, Super Silicon Valley Mentality.  Let every nation and individual build their self-confidence.
5.  Compete fairly on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer to benefit the World.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 15, 2016, 02:01:55 AM
Comment:  If you are correct (UFOs have been built in USA and China), What is the point of building superstructures such as dams, bridges and high speed trains?

Humans progress on what they know on their stage of understanding and development.  They were once proud of owning fast horses; they were once proud of building pyramids; they were once proud to sail in high seas; they were once proud of the steam engines...

We still need to understand how much energy can be lead-out in the various situations.  We still have to learn whether there are unexpected consequences.  We still have to lay down the rules and regulations to control the vast number of flying saucers to avoid accidents...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 16, 2016, 04:40:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjLV_aVRUmQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjLV_aVRUmQ)

Lesson of the Loess Plateau.  The wise old man was not wise at all.  The ancient cultivation methods passed down actually degraded the environment.

Use of coal helped the Industrial Revolution but it polluted the atmosphere.

We are moving in the direction of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.

We are doing some experiments at the St. James Jockey Club Upcycling Center.  Those who are interested can visit and participate.  Some information in paper form can be obtained.


See facebook - SJSJCUpcycling.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 17, 2016, 11:57:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgAqEu8xFoc#t=1934.689768 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgAqEu8xFoc#t=1934.689768)

The late Ms. Iris Chang was a good presenter.  She might have focused too much on the negative to cause her depression and suicide.  We should learn from that lesson.

One comment from an academics:

China should race ahead on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology.  If the technology is real, why hesitate?  If Hong Kong really funded the 225 HP Pulse Motor in 2000, what happened?  The diagram in reply 1 is interesting.  I just could not believe that it was not published earlier.  It is so simple.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 17, 2016, 07:17:00 PM

 One comment from an academics:
 
 China should race ahead on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology.  If the technology is real, why hesitate?  If Hong Kong really funded the 225 HP Pulse Motor in 2000, what happened?  The diagram in reply 1 is interesting.  I just could not believe that it was not published earlier.  It is so simple.
 
The diagram in reply 1 showed that a Net Force is produced due to the Centrifugal Force difference.  That difference is created by having the angular velocity of the magnet faster at the top than at the bottom.

The same physics holds no matter the orientation of the set up. This means Net Thrust can be developed in any possible direction. Flying the UFO in any direction is easy!

One particular point to bring out in the diagram is the leading-out or bringing-in of gravitational energy via the unbalanced wheel. If the Milkovic 2SO can bring in gravitational energy, the unbalanced Chan Wheel will do so. The unbalanced wheel in the diagram is essential the Chan Wheel without the up and down motion.

If a DC Pulsed Coil can lead-out or bring-in magnetic energy as in the solenoid magnet repulsion experiment, the arrangement in the diagram will bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy also. The pulse can be short and does not need to provide energy for a complete revolution. (The push to a pendulum does not need to raise it to its maximum position.  Multiple pushes at the right frequency or at resonance can do it.)

Thus the physics of the lead-out energy flying saucer design is correct and explained.  It is just a matter of engineering.  If the late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin was correct, China built the Nanjing UFO within a few weeks after our Tsinghua University visit.  What is stopping other Nations from successfully building the UFO?

The new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer is coming. It may not come from the group of retired old men with little resources. But the UFOs from USA and China are flying. It only takes a third Nation to demonstrate the technology successfully. (Hong Kong is a possibility but China can easily and quietly suppress any development in Hong Kong) The race will be ON…

I believe that I have put enough information on the Internet for other Nations to successfully develop an UFO.  The New Paradigm will benefit all Humanity.  The Divine Wine is for all Humans.
 
Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 18, 2016, 01:08:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgAqEu8xFoc#t=1934.689768 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgAqEu8xFoc#t=1934.689768)

The late Ms. Iris Chang was a good presenter.  She might have focused too much on the negative to cause her depression and suicide.  We should learn from that lesson.


The late Ms. Iris Chang had been an author with her Book on the best seller list for 10 weeks.  Her parents were both University Professors.  From the youtube video talks, it was evident that she was an emotional person.  She poured her emotions into her work.


When she focused on the dark side of history, she got depression.  I was lucky.  I gave up on history.  History for China had been one family toppling another.  Then it was the century of humiliation - the Chinese were painted as opium smokers.  It was painful to read such history.  I was lucky that I did not need to write any books on such sad events.

I can turn to the bright side of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.  I can imagine flying anywhere on Earth.  I can imagine flying to good fishing grounds.  I can imagine hovering above the waves and fish leisurely...  I can imagine the use of electrical devices to help to reel in the fish.  Or I can enjoy the battle with the fish with just the rod and the reel.

I have laid down the physics.  I can enjoy watching others doing the experiments and the implementation.  I can speculate on the USA and Chinese progress.  They know that I have no access to real information.  But they also know that I cannot be wrong on this technology.

I can comment on stupid democracy and propose Super Democracy.  I can comment on the stupid policy of containment and sanctions.  I can suggest Love Thy Enemies.  I can comment on how China is doing much better than the Europeans in the African Relationships.  I can suggest improvements to that relationship with Mutual Credits and Super Silicon Valley Mentality.

I now know my role in my remaining years - sow seeds.  Let others water, fertilize, weed and harvest.  I do not worry about fame and fortune.  I never saw wars and I was never discriminated in my many years in USA. 

Our contribution to the scientific world may just be the diagram in reply 1.  But it will have similar impact as E=M*C*C...  Mr. Lee Cheung Kin should rest peacefully in his grave.  His work was not in vain...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 19, 2016, 02:20:04 AM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/freedom-251-worlds-cheapest-smartphone-priced-2-5-unveiled-india-1544376 (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/freedom-251-worlds-cheapest-smartphone-priced-2-5-unveiled-india-1544376)


An relatively obscure Indian company, Ringing Bells, has unveiled an Android-run device which is being touted as the world's cheapest smartphone. Its initial launch price has been pegged at Rs251 (£2.50, $3.80), but it is unclear as to how long will the offer continue.

The firm, established in 2015, is set to introduce the 4in smartphone, named Freedom 251, at a glittering event in the Indian capital New Delhi.

Such a price is less than a MacDonald Hamburger meal. 

The Indian flag has been noticed on the package of the device, and it is being speculated that the smartphone may have been subsided by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, under the government's flagship "Make in India" campaign.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 19, 2016, 11:50:06 PM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/freedom-251-worlds-cheapest-smartphone-priced-2-5-unveiled-india-1544376 (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/freedom-251-worlds-cheapest-smartphone-priced-2-5-unveiled-india-1544376)


An relatively obscure Indian company, Ringing Bells, has unveiled an Android-run device which is being touted as the world's cheapest smartphone. Its initial launch price has been pegged at Rs251 (£2.50, $3.80), but it is unclear as to how long will the offer continue.

The firm, established in 2015, is set to introduce the 4in smartphone, named Freedom 251, at a glittering event in the Indian capital New Delhi.

Such a price is less than a MacDonald Hamburger meal. 

The Indian flag has been noticed on the package of the device, and it is being speculated that the smartphone may have been subsided by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, under the government's flagship "Make in India" campaign.


USA prints money and gives it to the rich to trickle down.  China prints money and builds infrastructures.  Now India prints money and gives it to the grass root...


Are these meaningful economic activities???


They all sound crazy to the non-expert  but they all changed the World...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 20, 2016, 03:32:48 AM
Ethiopia is in the final stages of completing the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam, a dam with the capacity of generating 6000 Mega Watts of Electricity. Once complete, it will become the largest Hydro-power dam on the African Continent.

The funding is from Ethiopia itself.  The dam will be the pride of the Nation.  Is this a meaningful economic activity?  Should other African Countries look at this example.

At the same time, Ethiopia is renting out large acreage of land to foreign countries to do large mechanized farming.  This will solve the food crisis.  The image of Ethiopia as a starving Nation will be gone forever.

The self confidence of the Ethiopian people will propel it to become a new rising tiger...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 20, 2016, 10:18:55 AM

USA prints money and gives it to the rich to trickle down.  China prints money and builds infrastructures.  Now India prints money and gives it to the grass root...

Are these meaningful economic activities???

They all sound crazy to the non-expert  but they all changed the World...

Every Nation wants to provide free education to its citizens.  This is not charity.  This is the right of every citizen.  This is the essential path to success for any Nation.

In backing the Freedom251 phone, the Indian Government can proudly tell the World that it is just doing that.  When every Indian has a mobile phone at less than US$4, the cost of education goes way down.  India has one the best developed software engineering in the World.  Now it can educate its old and young at the same time.

I expect the India Government will come out with a list of recommended websites to weed out the "noises".  The free education in India will reach all citizens.  This success will be copied by all Nations in the near future.

I do not believe the low price of the phone is a hoax or a simple publicity by an obscure Company.  It is more likely a master stroke of the Indian Government.  This is one of the most meaningful economy activities in the twenty first century.  It is much cheaper than building hundreds of Universities or academic institutions. Well done, India.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 20, 2016, 01:17:49 PM
If India or Ethiopia were successful in the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology, would they have leapfrogged the economic development?

Think about it.  They would
1.  No longer need to rely on fossil fuel.
2.  No need to build roads, bridges, trains or airports.
3.  Gain the admiration of the World in their innovation.
4.  Produce products with standalone non-pulling power sources.
5.  Improve the standard of living of their citizens to new heights.

Will they look at reply 1 of this thread and ponder?

Will they ask secretly - are there UFOs made in USA or China? 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 20, 2016, 01:57:13 PM
Every Nation wants to provide free education to its citizens.  This is not charity.  This is the right of every citizen.  This is the essential path to success for any Nation.

In backing the Freedom251 phone, the Indian Government can proudly tell the World that it is just doing that.  When every Indian has a mobile phone at less than US$4, the cost of education goes way down.  India has one the best developed software engineering in the World.  Now it can educate its old and young at the same time.

I expect the India Government will come out with a list of recommended websites to weed out the "noises".  The free education in India will reach all citizens.  This success will be copied by all Nations in the near future.

I do not believe the low price of the phone is a hoax or a simple publicity by an obscure Company.  It is more likely a master stroke of the Indian Government.  This is one of the most meaningful economy activities in the twenty first century.  It is much cheaper than building hundreds of Universities or academic institutions. Well done, India.

What is the cost if the Indian Government were to provide free secondary and higher education to all its citizens? 

Will it amount to more than USD10,000 per person? 

If it backs up the freedom251, every citizen pays USS4 and the Government subsidizes, say, US$300 each, would that be a more cost effective way?  If all parts of the Freedom251 were made in India, how much meaningful economic activity will that create?

Every Country now knows that it can print money properly to maintain its economic prosperity.  Is subsidizing the Freedom251 a good way to spend that money?


I am sure that the Chinese Government and other Governments will seriously consider the scenario...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 20, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
Most of the Infrastructure projects have a limited life expectation.  Even the three Gorges Dam is expected to be 120 years.

Engineers expect new technology will emerge.  They are right.  The lead-out energy flying saucer technology is coming.

Infrastructure building will see a revolution...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 03:14:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghhgUmGBjX8


Nanotechnology with new structure.



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 05:57:02 AM
What is the cost if the Indian Government were to provide free secondary and higher education to all its citizens? 

Will it amount to more than USD10,000 per person? 

If it backs up the freedom251, every citizen pays USS4 and the Government subsidizes, say, US$300 each, would that be a more cost effective way?  If all parts of the Freedom251 were made in India, how much meaningful economic activity will that create?

Every Country now knows that it can print money properly to maintain its economic prosperity.  Is subsidizing the Freedom251 a good way to spend that money?


I am sure that the Chinese Government and other Governments will seriously consider the scenario...

In the not too distant future, the Indian population will exceed China.  Ensuring the quality of such a large number of people is difficult.  Education is the key.  The cheap Freedom251 is a brilliant move.

In terms of food production, India is a net exporter of rice.  India is also heavily investing in African agriculture.  Food security will not be a problem.

India is trying to beat China as the Lowest Cost Producer.  Is that the right strategy now and in the coming future?

Should India leapfrog by going to more advanced technologies?  Should India look into Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers?  The cost of investigating such a technology is low compared with the potential benefits.  Man-made UFOs from USA and China are flying.  The diagram in reply 1 of this thread is easy to understand.

If India were to demonstrate an UFO first, it will gain all the publicity.  The self confidence of the Nation will go sky high.  USA and China will have no choice but to disclose their UFO technologies. Other Nations will follow.  The race will be ON.  The World will benefit...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 08:58:32 AM
In the not too distant future, the Indian population will exceed China.  Ensuring the quality of such a large number of people is difficult.  Education is the key.  The cheap Freedom251 is a brilliant move.

In terms of food production, India is a net exporter of rice.  India is also heavily investing in African agriculture.  Food security will not be a problem.

India is trying to beat China as the Lowest Cost Producer.  Is that the right strategy now and in the coming future?

Should India leapfrog by going to more advanced technologies?  Should India look into Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers?  The cost of investigating such a technology is low compared with the potential benefits.  Man-made UFOs from USA and China are flying.  The diagram in reply 1 of this thread is easy to understand.

If India were to demonstrate an UFO first, it will gain all the publicity.  The self confidence of the Nation will go sky high.  USA and China will have no choice but to disclose their UFO technologies. Other Nations will follow.  The race will be ON.  The World will benefit...
Will it take 10 or 20 years for the India Economy to have a GDP greater than that of China and the USA if India rushes on the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer and that China and USA still try to keep the technology top secret?

There is no need for oil, natural gas or hydroelectric dams.  The focus can be decentralized lead-out energy systems.  There is no need for mega projects.  India can mass produce electrical appliances, flying saucers and new infrastructures.  There is no need for multi-lane highways or bridges.  There is no need to get land for high speed trains.  If the education of the average citizen is high with the Freedom251, Indians will have the self confidence and knowledge to leapfrog.

Technological knowledge will not be an issue.  Resources and commodity prices will not be issues.  India can rush ahead at a pace exceeding that of the Chinese Miracle by wide margins.  Its software engineering talent is already at the forefront of the World. 

The unknown factor is whether USA or China will disclose their top secret.  Whether other Nations will learn and embark on similar paths? 

With unlimited and non-polluting energy, India can develop totally independently at its own fast pace unaffected by World Economy.  If there were no surprises such as wars or internal conflicts, India, with its large, well educated population, may become the wealthiest nation in the World...



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
What happens if China were to disclose its UFO technology to the World first?

The most likely scenario is that China would have already successfully built thousands of Lead-out Energy Devices that use gravitational, electromagnetic or electron cloud energies.  Some of these devices are flying saucers that can carry vast loads to space.

China will immediately be admired as the most innovative Nation in the World.  The self confidence of the Nation will reach all time high.  The Super Silicon Valley Mentality will reach all levels of society. China will then propose new international rules.  RMB will be the preferred reserve currency.  The GDP per capita will rise rapidly.  Modern Cities using flying saucers as the main transport will rise...

Many Chinese men will seek foreign wives.  The one child policy of the past led to this inevitable outcome.  With the confidence and wealth, they will be successful in many Countries.  They may even be the preferred husbands for some.

The flying saucer will take them anywhere on earth with ease.  They will fly to the Moon and Mars in large numbers.

The knowledge will be eagerly learned by all Nations.  The diagram in reply 1 will appear in all textbooks...  These may all happen within the next few years.

USA will have no choice but to disclose its UFO technology also.

China will preach Love Thy Enemies. China will introduce new concepts such as Modern Wealth, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy etc.  All Nations will listen.  Nationalism will give way to World as One.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 11:27:56 AM
What would happen if USA were to disclose its UFO technology to the World first?

The USA Military will immediately object as this would neutralize their military superiority.  They may raise the issue as one of highest National Security.

The USA public will push the politicians to invest into this technology for civilian use.  It will be similar to the Space Program.  USA will pour mega funds to build flying saucer cities.

Will they beat China and/or the rest of World this time?

All Nations learned the secret of capital - print money for good reason if needed.  If such printing spurs Meaningful Economic Activities, it is worthwhile.  Science and Technology started the Industrial Revolution.  Science and Technology will once again propel the World into the new paradigm...

USA does not need more roads, bridges, airports, high speed trains or other mega infrastructures. Its GDP growth cannot come from such sectors and thus will be slower than that of China.  But the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucers is a different story.  Imagine the replacement of every car by flying saucers.  How many trillions of Meaningful Economic Activity will be generated? Mega funds can be poured to generate unimagined GDP growth...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2016, 07:45:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S36aE9_m_Xo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S36aE9_m_Xo)

Genetic Engineering.

This technology already altered crops.  It will alter animals.  Will it be used to alter human beings.

For a Country like China where one and now two off-springs are allowed, parents will seek the best babies.  If the technology allows them to choose, is choosing ethical?  China is not religious. Detecting and destroying "disease" fertilized eggs will meet little objection.

If the right genes that provide higher intelligence, stronger muscles, more kindness could be introduced, is it ethical for the parents to introduce them into their babies?  Are we then playing God?  Many Countries (including China) will have no hesitation in allowing that.  Will that lead to a super race?

We are on the verge of flying to outer space at will.  We have altered genes of plants and animals for better food.  Is it a meaningful economic activity to get the best babies?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 22, 2016, 12:39:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WACqJ28OJUY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WACqJ28OJUY)

President Obama talked with Jack Ma.  Jack Ma joined up with Bill Gates on searching for innovative energy solutions.

UFOs are already flying.  If the rich and powerful supports such technology, it will have a chance...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 25, 2016, 04:36:24 AM
The staff at the St. James Settlement Jockey Club Upcycling Center has been trained to perform the solenoid-magnet repulsion experiment.  Not only the jumping part but also the capturing of the waveform on the Oscilloscope can be done.


One focus will be on researching the back emf.  A 17.5V DC supply can induce a back emf greater than 60V.  The most likely place for lead-out or bring-in energy to occur is at the beginning of the pulse - where the large back emf can be measured.


Encourage the ordinary to shine.  Miracles will happen.  Jack Ma created Alibaba from dedication and dream.  Many will fulfill their dreams on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 27, 2016, 07:43:58 PM
The next planned presentation will be on March 14, Monday.  The time will be 3pm.

The participants would have seen the Milkovic 2SO video.  The question on their mind should be - bringing in gravitational energy is a possibility?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 28, 2016, 01:06:02 AM
Let us speculate or predict the economy and jobs in the coming Lead-out Energy Paradigm.  We shall discuss them one at a time with no particular order.

The first job category that comes to mind is the caring of the elderly.  The population of Hong Kong is aging rapidly.  The birth rate is low.  The GDP per capita is high.  It will be much higher when Hong Kong starts on the new paradigm ahead of others.

Japan, Singapore and many other developed Nations are in similar situations.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 28, 2016, 07:01:18 AM
Let us speculate or predict the economy and jobs in the coming Lead-out Energy Paradigm.  We shall discuss them one at a time with no particular order.

The first job category that comes to mind is the caring of the elderly.  The population of Hong Kong is aging rapidly.  The birth rate is low.  The GDP per capita is high.  It will be much higher when Hong Kong starts on the new paradigm ahead of others.

Japan, Singapore and many other developed Nations are in similar situations.

Such jobs are regarded as low tech and low pay.  Many domestic helpers from Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia etc. perform that task.  However, with the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Paradigm, these countries will provide many job opportunities.  Fewer foreign domestic helpers will be available.

How can such jobs be performed more efficiently?  How can the existing Senior Centers perform better?  Many seniors now communicate with their off springs via Skype.  What will be the new tools in the Flying Saucer paradigm???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 28, 2016, 08:50:04 AM
Such jobs are regarded as low tech and low pay.  Many domestic helpers from Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia etc. perform that task.  However, with the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Paradigm, these countries will provide many job opportunities.  Fewer foreign domestic helpers will be available.

How can uch jobs be performed more efficiently?  How can the existing Senior Centers perform better?  Many seniors now communicate with their off springs via Skype.  What will be the new tools in the Flying Saucer paradigm???

There will be a class of high paying jobs.  These are the personal assistants to the extremely wealthy.  These personal assistants will be high technology competent.  They will handle not only the daily necessities but also the finance, appointments, travels, donations etc.

One example is to help a ninety year old lady with her dozens of rental properties.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 28, 2016, 08:50:15 PM
There will be a class of high paying jobs.  These are the personal assistants to the extremely wealthy.  These personal assistants will be high technology competent.  They will handle not only the daily necessities but also the finance, appointments, travels, donations etc.

One example is to help a ninety year old lady with her dozens of rental properties.

There is another group of high paying jobs related to senior citizens.  One of the social workers told me that many senior citizens had stories to tell.  In the case of Hong Kong, many saw the Japanese occupation, the slums after WW2, the Korean War, the rise of light industries in Hong Kong, the boom and bust of the property and stock markets, the moving of industries to China, the opportunities offered by the rise of China, the return of Hong Kong to China, the large infrastructure projects such as the MTR, the New Airport, etc.

Many senior citizens took advantage of the opportunities offered.  Many more talked about their missed opportunities.  Some sold their properties when the prices were low, emigrated to other Countries and later moved back to Hong Kong.  Many developing Nations now want to learn from the China Model.  Many of the stories, including the missed opportunity ones, are very relevant.

From these stories, we can see how to reduce mistakes and leap frog...  Who will collect and write these stories?  Who will turn them into TV series, movies or videos?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 29, 2016, 12:43:52 AM
The Second job category is related to the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology directly.

There will be many jobs related to basic research, applied research, engineering, actual product production, marketing, maintenance etc.

Man made UFO from USA and China are flying.   Reply 1 of this thread outlined one possible design.  There will be alternatives.

The design will be turned into working prototypes - probably by an unexpected Country.  The race will then be ON.  Billions of dollars will be poured in.  The new paradigm will begin.  It will ellipse all known inventions in Human History...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 29, 2016, 12:59:01 AM
The New Paradigm of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is coming.  Man-made UFOs from USA and China are flying.  These UFOs can:
1.   Hover, take off and land vertically similar to a helicopter
2.   Do sharp turns as they do not rely on aerodynamic forces
3.   Use energy from the environment and need no chemical fuel
4.   Can fly to outer space if needed
5.   Do not need to eject hot gases out for propulsion
6.   The technology can be used to reduce effective weight of cars, trains and ships
7.   The technology can be used to generate electricity without chemical fuels

Both China and USA have such man-made devices flying and operating.  We were made aware of them since 2006 at Tsinghua University in China.  There was a 225 HP Pulse Motor funded by Mr. Andrew Wong of Yuen Fat in Hong Kong – developed in USA.   There was an Energy Multiplier that could lead-out gravitational and electromagnetic energy from Tsinghua University.  That Energy Multiplier could have output energy 30 times that of the supplied input energy.

The first UFO we were aware of in China using such technology was in Nanjing 2006.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbSSTqlanS8

The Milkovic two stage pendulum demonstrated leading-out gravitational energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

1.   At 2:07 time, the 46 pound pendulum was at its maximum height position.  A small push with the fingers lifted the 74 pound weight twice.
2.   Between 2:07 and 3:30, note that the weight was lifted twice with each push from the fingers.
3.   The weight was lifted when the pendulum was at the lowest height position.
4.   That position was the highest velocity position.  The centrifugal force was highest.
5.   Notice that the maximum swing position was hardly changed.

If we can lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy, we must be able to bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy via a magnetic pendulum and artificial magnetic fields.

The New Year of the Monkey Card showed the most important concepts.

More details are available in overunity.com.  Search using “UFO propu”.  Reply 1 shows the possible design of a lead-out energy flying saucer.  The angular velocity at the top can be much higher than that at the bottom.  The resulting centrifugal force difference will provide the net thrust to move the device upwards.

Lawrence Tseung
Lawrencetseung@yahoo.com
Lead-out Energy Research Club
Feb. 2016

*** The one page file is available at St. James Settlement as a handout for the visitors.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 01, 2016, 07:07:33 PM
Back emf energy

The attached diagrams showed the results of the solenoid repulsion experiment done on Feb 29, 2016.
1.   The 540 turn coil was used.
2.   The combined mass of the 5 magnets + PVC tube = 126 gm
3.    The Height jumped was 40.1 cm at 17.5V

ADS00017.jpg showed:
  Top curve = the Current (CH1) = Voltage across the one ohm resistor.
  Bottom curve = the Voltage (Ch2) across the solenoid.

ADS00018.jpg was the same data but focused on the leading edge of the pulse.  Note that the time interval unit was 1ms instead of 100ms.

Back emf energy.jpg showed the emf energy at the leading edge of the pulse.

From the results, there was definitely a back emf.  This back emf did have energy.  One possible explanation was that this energy was the lead-out energy.  In other words, the DC power supply provided X units of energy.  The Back emf provided Y units of lead-out energy.  The resulting Input energy to the system was X+Y units.

The proposal is to change the experiment from straight-line repulsion to unbalanced wheel repulsion.  The pulse will be very short but the lead-out energy will be much higher if the speed of rotation is increased…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 01, 2016, 07:37:20 PM
The waveforms of the solenoid only is shown here for comparison.

The Pulse waveform is shown on LHS.

The Leading Edge of the Pulse where the back emf is clearly present is shown on RHS.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 02, 2016, 01:01:29 AM
The Second job category is related to the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology directly.

There will be many jobs related to basic research, applied research, engineering, actual product production, marketing, maintenance etc.

Man made UFO from USA and China are flying.   Reply 1 of this thread outlined one possible design.  There will be alternatives.

The design will be turned into working prototypes - probably by an unexpected Country.  The race will then be ON.  Billions of dollars will be poured in.  The new paradigm will begin.  It will ellipse all known inventions in Human History...

The back emf energy is interesting.  Can we increase that with presence of ferromagnetic materials?  Will the more ordered dipoles provide more magnetic flux and thus bring-in more energy?

This category of jobs require much scientific training.  The training itself will provide many job opportunities...

What are the meaningful economic activities once a Nation has overcome problems in feeding, clothing and feeding its people?  What is the difference between a developed nation and a developing nation?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 02, 2016, 08:41:15 PM
One of the toughest jobs is to promote population control on a global basis.

Unrestricted population growth is not an option.  If we want to have quality of life for every human being, we do not want to have an uncontrollable number.  Unfortunately, there are groups ignorant of Birth Control Mechanisms or banned them on religious grounds.

My experience is that a family can be very happy with one or two kids.  I firmly believed that the former One Child policy in China slowed the population growth and was a big factor in the fast economic development.

With the new Lead-Out Energy Flying Saucer paradigm, the focus will no longer be on physical labor or on large number of workers.  The focus will be on innovation.  Old folks like us can still contribute.  The argument that we need more productive youngsters to support the old is no longer valid.  We do not need more physical labor.  We do not need more factory workers.  We do not need more consumers.  We do not need to compete on national GDP growth.  We should focus on providing the best quality of life for the humans already on this Earth...

We cannot use the old way of population control - famine, disease or war.  (Some politicians still believe that these can be done on a regional basis.)  We must control the problem at the source - reducing the number of human beings entering the earth...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 02, 2016, 11:53:33 PM
One of the toughest jobs is to promote population control on a global basis.

Unrestricted population growth is not an option.  If we want to have quality of life for every human being, we do not want to have an uncontrollable number.  Unfortunately, there are groups ignorant of Birth Control Mechanisms or banned them on religious grounds.

My experience is that a family can be very happy with one or two kids.  I firmly believed that the former One Child policy in China slowed the population growth and was a big factor in the fast economic development.

With the new Lead-Out Energy Flying Saucer paradigm, the focus will no longer be on physical labor or on large number of workers.  The focus will be on innovation.  Old folks like us can still contribute.  The argument that we need more productive youngsters to support the old is no longer valid.  We do not need more physical labor.  We do not need more factory workers.  We do not need more consumers.  We do not need to compete on national GDP growth.  We should focus on providing the best quality of life for the humans already on this Earth...

We cannot use the old way of population control - famine, disease or war.  (Some politicians still believe that these can be done on a regional basis.)  We must control the problem at the source - reducing the number of human beings entering the earth...


One comment was that we should promote Birth Control via education.  China can impose One Child or Two Child policies.  The rest of the World cannot.  But the general rule is that - the highly educated tends to have less number of children...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 04, 2016, 02:00:45 AM
Let us speculate or predict the economy and jobs in the coming Lead-out Energy Paradigm.  We shall discuss them one at a time with no particular order.

The first job category that comes to mind is the caring of the elderly.  The population of Hong Kong is aging rapidly.  The birth rate is low.  The GDP per capita is high.  It will be much higher when Hong Kong starts on the new paradigm ahead of others.

Japan, Singapore and many other developed Nations are in similar situations.

One comment on senior citizens is that they are not good consumers.  They do not spend on new clothes, cars, jewels etc.  The chance of their buying new gadgets is low.

One suggestion is to give each of them an account that will be top up to HKD2,000 per month.  If they spend only HKD500 that month, the top up amount will only be HKD500.  This will encourage them to become consumers spending HKD2,000 every month.

The suggestion goes further.  How about giving every citizen a top up account of HKD2,000.  The money can be spent on a range of "recommended" products or investments.  Hong Kong and China can become a Nation of "guided or enlightened" consumers.

If the Nation needs investment in innovative startup companies, the "money" can be spent to buy shares of such startups... 

Would this be regarded as a Meaningful Economic Activity?


Governments print money to give to the rich to tickle down.  Should Governments print money to give to every citizen to stimulate the consumer economy in China?  Would that create more GDP growth and get more citizens to "middle class"...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 04, 2016, 10:50:58 AM
One comment on senior citizens is that they are not good consumers.  They do not spend on new clothes, cars, jewels etc.  The chance of their buying new gadgets is low.

One suggestion is to give each of them an account that will be top up to HKD2,000 per month.  If they spend only HKD500 that month, the top up amount will only be HKD500.  This will encourage them to become consumers spending HKD2,000 every month.

The suggestion goes further.  How about giving every citizen a top up account of HKD2,000.  The money can be spent on a range of "recommended" products or investments.  Hong Kong and China can become a Nation of "guided or enlightened" consumers.

If the Nation needs investment in innovative startup companies, the "money" can be spent to buy shares of such startups... 

Would this be regarded as a Meaningful Economic Activity?


Governments print money to give to the rich to tickle down.  Should Governments print money to give to every citizen to stimulate the consumer economy in China?  Would that create more GDP growth and get more citizens to "middle class"...
The suggestion goes further.  How about giving every citizen a top up account of HKD2,000.  The money can be spent on a range of "recommended" products or investments.  Hong Kong and China can become a Nation of "guided or enlightened" consumers.

The "recommended" products, services, investments etc. can be special Meaningful Economic Activities...  Such Meaningful Economic Activities may change from time to time.  Every Citizen can spend the top up money on himself to achieve a better standard of living or direct that money to Meaningful Economic Actiavities of his choice.

Some oil rich countries give money to its citizens...   

If "research and development" of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer were a recommended Meaningful Economic Activity, it is likely to have much funding...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 05, 2016, 10:13:11 AM
The suggestion goes further.  How about giving every citizen a top up account of HKD2,000.  The money can be spent on a range of "recommended" products or investments.  Hong Kong and China can become a Nation of "guided or enlightened" consumers.

The "recommended" products, services, investments etc. can be special Meaningful Economic Activities...  Such Meaningful Economic Activities may change from time to time.  Every Citizen can spend the top up money on himself to achieve a better standard of living or direct that money to Meaningful Economic Actiavities of his choice.

Some oil rich countries give money to its citizens...   

If "research and development" of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer were a recommended Meaningful Economic Activity, it is likely to have much funding...

A social worker suggested that we should give top up accounts to those in need only.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 05, 2016, 09:08:56 PM
Changing any Country within one generation?

I was fishing at the fishing pond.  Their four generations were there.  The senior generation was in their nineties.  The fourth generation was just starting to talk.
The first generation was poor fisherman.  They had a rowing junk with sails.  They had no education.
 
The second generation started fish farming.  They and relatives build ponds with hand tools.  They did not have to fight the waves.  They suffered under WW2.  Many relatives died.

The third generation received basic education.  They found work in factories during the 1980s when the economy of Hong Kong boomed.  They turned the fish farm into a tourist fishing facility.  They managed to buy cars and build modern houses next to their ponds.

I asked: “What are your future plans?”

The answer – keep the fishing ponds as a side business.  The land would be worth many millions.  (The ponds have an area of 400,000 square foot.  If targeted for development, the price per sq. ft. will be over HKD1,000.)  They already refused offer from a developer at HKD100 per sq. ft.) 

The plans for the younger generation was to receive higher education, get good jobs and wait for the fishing ponds to be zoned for development.  They could then all share in the wealth.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 06, 2016, 08:06:02 AM
Changing any Country within one generation?

I was fishing at the fishing pond.  Their four generations were there.  The senior generation was in their nineties.  The fourth generation was just starting to talk.
The first generation was poor fisherman.  They had a rowing junk with sails.  They had no education.
 
The second generation started fish farming.  They and relatives build ponds with hand tools.  They did not have to fight the waves.  They suffered under WW2.  Many relatives died.

The third generation received basic education.  They found work in factories during the 1980s when the economy of Hong Kong boomed.  They turned the fish farm into a tourist fishing facility.  They managed to buy cars and build modern houses next to their ponds.

I asked: “What are your future plans?”

The answer – keep the fishing ponds as a side business.  The land would be worth many millions.  (The ponds have an area of 400,000 square foot.  If targeted for development, the price per sq. ft. will be over HKD1,000.)  They already refused offer from a developer at HKD100 per sq. ft.) 

The plans for the younger generation was to receive higher education, get good jobs and wait for the fishing ponds to be zoned for development.  They could then all share in the wealth.y

Another example that happened related to fish farming was the professor who chose "retain his job without pay" and went back to his village to do fish farming. 

The fish farms in his village were background and neglected.  He signed a contract with the local officials claiming that he could double the output.  With his scientific knowledge, he helped to increase output at least tenfold.  He could afford to buy buses and cars for his village in the 1980s.  He invited his fellow professors and students to join him.

Then he was put into "re-education camp".  The crime was that he cheated the Government.  He underestimated the success! 

He was released after Deng went to Shenzhen and heard the story.  Now, he is a multi-millionaire owning Companies beyond fish farming.

I always admire Deng more than Mao.  Mao wanted the Country to follow "Politics".  Deng wanted the Country to follow "economics".  It is OK to let some people get rich first... 

***Any Country can be developed within one generation if the right people with the right policies guide the Nation.  Five year plans work if one does not change policies every few years.  Release the creativity of the Nation via private enterprises works.  The best leaders are NOT the ones to direct but the ones to provide the right climate...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 06, 2016, 08:27:38 AM
A Church member said: "I shall find time to attend your presentation on March 14.  I used to think that people believing in UFOs and Aliens are Nuts.  But I am not too sure now."

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 06, 2016, 08:34:17 AM

"I shall find time to attend your presentation on March 14.  I used to think that people believing in UFOs and Aliens are Nuts.  But I am not too sure now."

If China and USA already mastered the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology similar to reply 1 of this thread, how long will it take a Nation to learn and copy?

Less than one generation???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 06, 2016, 11:52:34 PM
Another example that happened related to fish farming was the professor who chose "retain his job without pay" and went back to his village to do fish farming. 

The fish farms in his village were background and neglected.  He signed a contract with the local officials claiming that he could double the output.  With his scientific knowledge, he helped to increase output at least tenfold.  He could afford to buy buses and cars for his village in the 1980s.  He invited his fellow professors and students to join him.

Then he was put into "re-education camp".  The crime was that he cheated the Government.  He underestimated the success! 

He was released after Deng went to Shenzhen and heard the story.  Now, he is a multi-millionaire owning Companies beyond fish farming.

I always admire Deng more than Mao.  Mao wanted the Country to follow "Politics".  Deng wanted the Country to follow "economics".  It is OK to let some people get rich first... 

***Any Country can be developed within one generation if the right people with the right policies guide the Nation.  Five year plans work if one does not change policies every few years.  Release the creativity of the Nation via private enterprises works.  The best leaders are NOT the ones to direct but the ones to provide the right climaote...
The best leaders are NOT the ones to direct but the ones to provide the right climate...

If the CEO of a Company is also an expert in the field, few will dare to raise objections to his suggestions.  Better suggestions may not come out.  If the suggestion were bad, it might even be given resources to try.

China under Mao was in such a position.  Many of Mao's ideas were wrong even at the time of the proposal.  However...

It may be better for multiple think tanks to compete and raise proposals before Government action.  Such proposals can be open to Moderated Internet discussions...

*** Is that an element of Super Democracy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 07, 2016, 03:07:27 AM
What would happen if USA were to disclose its UFO technology to the World first?

The USA Military will immediately object as this would neutralize their military superiority.  They may raise the issue as one of highest National Security.

The USA public will push the politicians to invest into this technology for civilian use.  It will be similar to the Space Program.  USA will pour mega funds to build flying saucer cities.

Will they beat China and/or the rest of World this time?

All Nations learned the secret of capital - print money for good reason if needed.  If such printing spurs Meaningful Economic Activities, it is worthwhile.  Science and Technology started the Industrial Revolution.  Science and Technology will once again propel the World into the new paradigm...

USA does not need more roads, bridges, airports, high speed trains or other mega infrastructures. Its GDP growth cannot come from such sectors and thus will be slower than that of China.  But the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucers is a different story.  Imagine the replacement of every car by flying saucers.  How many trillions of Meaningful Economic Activity will be generated? Mega funds can be poured to generate unimagined GDP growth...

Can USA build UFOs similar to reply 1 of this thread?  Have they already done so?

Is the low oil prices a result of such knowledge?

Are we in the exciting time of the new paradigm - flying away from Earth?

Should we Love our Enemies and turn them into Brothers and Sisters?

One World, One Dream...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 07, 2016, 06:41:20 PM
All the Rulers in the past introduce "Law and Order" to preserve their special privileges.

Are there such "unfair rules" today?

Is "lowest cost producer" rule fair?  Commodity prices are driven down.  Some Countries can just print money to get the goods and services.

What should be the new rule to replace it?  Will the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology introduce the new rule?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 07, 2016, 11:47:40 PM
Oscilloscope image of experiment done by Bill Fung on March 3, 2016.

Use 540 turn coil, 5 magnets at 17.5V with the new stand.

The attached picture shows the waveform at the leading edge of the pulse.


Image color was reversed.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 08, 2016, 12:28:49 AM
Similar experiment done on March 3, 2016.


The waveform of no magnet and 5 magnets are compared.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 09, 2016, 04:47:38 PM
Had a great fishing day at the pond.  The fishes were biting fiercely in the warm weather after the cold spell.


A retired teacher at the pond said: "I thought about your design in reply 1.  It should work.  I believe that it was not published earlier because the Governments did not want it published.  You may even get the honor of the design."


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 09, 2016, 10:23:54 PM
Role of Think Tank for the World.


One World, One Dream.


Which Think Tank will have that vision?  Which Think Tank will go beyond its National Interests?  Which Think Tank will not be influenced by funding?  Which Think Tank will have the respect of the elite and the masses?


If the Think Tank can advocate the Lead-out Energy Paradigm...
If the Think Tank can design an UFO...
If the Think Tank can come up with 5 year plans for many developing nations...
If the Think Tank can give the glory and reward to others...
If the Think Tank has no power and no resources to implement any of the proposals...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 10, 2016, 06:32:06 PM
What happens if China were to disclose its UFO technology to the World first?

The most likely scenario is that China would have already successfully built thousands of Lead-out Energy Devices that use gravitational, electromagnetic or electron cloud energies.  Some of these devices are flying saucers that can carry vast loads to space.

China will immediately be admired as the most innovative Nation in the World.  The self confidence of the Nation will reach all time high.  The Super Silicon Valley Mentality will reach all levels of society. China will then propose new international rules.  RMB will be the preferred reserve currency.  The GDP per capita will rise rapidly.  Modern Cities using flying saucers as the main transport will rise...

Many Chinese men will seek foreign wives.  The one child policy of the past led to this inevitable outcome.  With the confidence and wealth, they will be successful in many Countries.  They may even be the preferred husbands for some.

The flying saucer will take them anywhere on earth with ease.  They will fly to the Moon and Mars in large numbers.

The knowledge will be eagerly learned by all Nations.  The diagram in reply 1 will appear in all textbooks...  These may all happen within the next few years.

USA will have no choice but to disclose its UFO technology also.

China will preach Love Thy Enemies. China will introduce new concepts such as Modern Wealth, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy etc.  All Nations will listen.  Nationalism will give way to World as One.

The demonstration in Hong Kong will be on March 14, 2016.  It is clear from the DSO waveform that the lead-out energy occurs at the leading edge of the pulse.  If we keep the pulse short and frequent, we can lead-out or bring-in more energy from the environment.

The 225 HP Pulse Motor is a certainty.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier is a certainty.  The Milkovic 2SO bringing-in gravitational energy is a certainty.  QMOGENs are certainties.  UFOs made in China and USA flying are certainties.

It follows that oil and gas deposits will no longer be valued commodities.  It follows that National Boundaries can be crossed with ease.  It follows that Nations will pour in resources to further develop the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology.  It follows that developing nations can catch up within one generation.

It is clear from the North Korea example that almost all Nations have the capability to produce nuclear weapons.  As soon as the man-made Flying Saucers are confirmed, it will be clear that the Military Superiority of USA is over.  All Nations must respect each other. 

The fact that Obama is the President of USA shows that all races on Earth are equal.  It is the opportunity and personal dedication.  The Internet has allowed knowledge to spread at lighting speeds. China has shown that economic success does not depend on Democracy or Human Rights. It is technology, technology and technology.

The lead-out energy flying saucer will further confirm the importance of technology.  Technology can be learned within a few years at the top universities.  Bright students of any race or color can learn and master any technology if properly taught.

All Developing Nations must focus on technology and five year plans.  They will gain their self confidence just like the Chinese.  Building infrastructures, improving education, feeding and housing the citizens are reasonable goals...  The World already has the technology to provide good standard of living for all if we do not massively increase our numbers or destroy each other with hatred and wars...

One World, One Dream.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 10, 2016, 11:51:51 PM
As a Global Think Tank, we can talk about Human Rights.

Human Rights should include right to have good food, good shelter, good education, good clothes, good transportation, good medical care etc.  The West emphasized freedom of speech and freedom to demonstrate.

In Developing Nations, Individual rights often have conflict with Society Rights.  The most common is land rights.  If a society needs to build a dam, a road, a railway or an airport, it often needs to claim the land from individuals.  The individuals should be fairly compensated.

In many countries, such are turned into emotional issues.  Some politicians see the advantage of "defending" the individual rights of the affected groups.  Progress was delayed or hindered...

Hong Kong is such an example.  Many infrastructure projects such as rezoning land for residential development, high speed trains and airport expansions suffered.  China may be using that as an example to show its people that so called Democracy is actually doing harm to the economy...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 11, 2016, 03:28:53 AM
As a Global Think Tank - what happens if a plan goes wrong.

For example, in China, there are ghost cities.  What can be done?

Any plan, no matter how good the intention, can go wrong.  It will test the ability of the planners and the society as a whole, to take on the consequence of such failed projects.

It can be compared with sending the children to university.  They may drop out. 

The problem of Ghost Cities in China is relatively easy to fix.  China, as a whole, is still short of quality housing for its citizens.  Can such Ghost Cities provide quality housing?  Can jobs be created in such Cities?  Can they be turned into "subsidized government housing"?  The rent can be low or even zero.  Lump sums can be given to those who move in.  Would that be better than leaving thousands of units idle?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 11, 2016, 07:54:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SteT4ht-4c


A UFO video from China.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 12, 2016, 06:07:10 PM
As a Global Think Tank,

African Nations should not simply ask Chinese Companies to build infrastructures.  They should write in the contract that the knowledge and some equipment must be left behind.  For example, in building roads, they can specify a certain section should be completed by locals.  The same can be applied to buildings, railways, airports, seaports, dams etc.

 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 13, 2016, 06:42:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SteT4ht-4c


A UFO video from China.
One comment - there are so many UFO sightings.  Scientists no longer treat UFO believers as nuts.  You raised a good question.  Can humans build an UFO?  Reply 1 in this thread cannot be dismissed as stupidity by any scientist...

The potential of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is so immense that no Nation can possibly ignore. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 15, 2016, 12:21:29 AM
We had a successful presentation and demonstration on March 14, 2016.

The key comments include:

1.  There is too much information.  Another meeting is needed.
2.  The information presented are statements and concepts.  Much more scientific proof is needed.
3.  Anyone can believe or disbelieve UFOs.  All the evidence on the Internet at present cannot be treated as absolute proof.

Attached are the two presentation files.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 15, 2016, 01:21:54 PM
Pulse duration consideration.

The question raised here is that in the rotational case, what is the time difference between two pulses.

We use the 225 HP Pulse Motor as a guide for estimation.  If I recall correctly, there were 15 magnets on each slice of the wheel.  The maximum rotational speed was less than 1000 rpm.

I am attaching the spread sheet analysis here.
It appears that the first few (2ms) is important.  Thus the leading edge of the pulse is very significant.


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 16, 2016, 12:08:23 AM
Is there an energy source related to back emf that scientists still do not understand?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 16, 2016, 10:18:02 PM
I thought that proper population control is accepted by all intelligent persons...   
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 17, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
In the March 14 presentation, I emphasized that gravitational energy can be lead-out via the Milkovic 2SO.  I asked the participants to study and restudy the video.  Convince themselves that gravitational is
brought-in.

One comment just came:

1.  First focus on the output up and down motion of the weight.  The weight can come down to crash nuts.  Thus there is real energy involved.

2.  That up and down motion is caused by the swinging motion of the pendulum.

3.  In the swinging motion, the vertical force on the pendulum side varies.  The circular swinging motion produces centrifugal force.  That varying centrifugal force is responsible for the up and down motion of the lever.

4.  The supplied energy to maintain the swinging motion of the pendulum is used to overcome friction and air resistance of the pendulum.  The up and down motion is "free" (brought-in automatically without supplying extra energy).

5.  This free energy is used to produce the real energy of the weight to crash nuts...
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 17, 2016, 09:22:54 PM
In the March 14 presentation, I emphasized that gravitational energy can be lead-out via the Milkovic 2SO.  I asked the participants to study and restudy the video.  Convince themselves that gravitational is
brought-in.

One comment just came:

1.  First focus on the output up and down motion of the weight.  The weight can come down to crash nuts.  Thus there is real energy involved.

2.  That up and down motion is caused by the swinging motion of the pendulum.

3.  In the swinging motion, the vertical force on the pendulum side varies.  The circular swinging motion produces centrifugal force.  That varying centrifugal force is responsible for the up and down motion of the lever.

4.  The supplied energy to maintain the swinging motion of the pendulum is used to overcome friction and air resistance of the pendulum.  The valuup and down motion is "free" (brought-in automatically without supplying extra energy).

5.  This free energy is used to produce the real energy of the weight to crash nuts...
In the estimation of COP (Output energy / Input energy), there is some Output Energy.  If the Input Energy is free (zero), any COP value is possible...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 18, 2016, 01:09:49 PM
Fishing allows the brain to relax.  The brain is allowed to roam.

Old folks can still contribute...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Paul-R on March 18, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
If the Input Energy is free (zero), any COP value is possible...
Both MUST be measured and presented.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 18, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
Both MUST be measured and presented.

Many have done experiments and replication of the Milkovic 2SO.

Here, I shall focus whether theoretically, it is possible to lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy.  Will that violate the Laws of Physics?

If not, can we improve it by replacing the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel?
Can we replace the pendulum with magnets and use magnetic instead of gravitational fields?

I do not have the resources to do the experiments.  But UFOs are flying...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 18, 2016, 11:18:42 PM
My gut feel is that the Chinese  Military will not be able to hold the UFO technology under wraps too much longer.

Will the trigger be a demonstration from a third Nation?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 19, 2016, 12:52:19 PM
Role of Think Tank for the World.


One World, One Dream.


Which Think Tank will have that vision?  Which Think Tank will go beyond its National Interests?  Which Think Tank will not be influenced by funding?  Which Think Tank will have the respect of the elite and the masses?


If the Think Tank can advocate the Lead-out Energy Paradigm...
If the Think Tank can design an UFO...
If the Think Tank can come up with 5 year plans for many developing nations...
If the Think Tank can give the glory and reward to others...
If the Think Tank has no power and no resources to implement any of the proposals...


A Senior Citizen remarked.  "If you can think, you are still valuable."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Paul-R on March 19, 2016, 03:18:34 PM
Many have done experiments and replication of the Milkovic 2SO.

I believe not. If so, where are the results?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 20, 2016, 01:40:28 AM
Happy Easter to you all.  I have modified the Chinese New Year Card to include the latest updates.


UFOs made in USA and China are flying.  Many other Nations are capable of producing such.  It is just a matter of time.


Using gravitational energy continuously is just too tempting.  It does not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on March 20, 2016, 07:48:59 AM
Happy Easter to you all...
Happy Easter to you as well. Getting a early start on it?

A Senior Citizen remarked.  "If you can think, you are still valuable."
I agree. Hope this world can start thinking better.

Just read an article saying that global warming would continue for at least a thousand years if we all stopped driving cars and such today. Got even more depressed when the article was dated 2009  :'(

We'll need that Lead-out UFO energy of yours to find another decent planet to live on once we get finished turning this one into another Mars.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 20, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
I believe not. If so, where are the results?


http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/08/28/1761/8502373_another-academic-paper-concluding-overunity-in-the-milkovic-two-stage-oscillator/



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 20, 2016, 08:42:27 PM
Easter is coming.  I have modified the Chinese New Year Card to include the latest update.  The update includes a presentation on March 14 at St. James Settlement in Wan Chai and some comments.
 
The New Paradigm of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is coming.  Man-made UFOs from USA and China are flying.  These UFOs can:
 
1. Hover, take off and land vertically similar to a helicopter
2. Do sharp turns as they do not rely on aerodynamic forces
3. Use energy from the environment and need no chemical fuel
4. Can fly to outer space if needed
5. Do not need to eject hot gases out for propulsion
6. The technology can be used to reduce effective weight of cars, trains and ships
7. The technology can be used to generate electricity without chemical fuels
 
Both China and USA have such man-made devices flying and operating.  We were made aware of them since 2006 at Tsinghua University in China.  There was a 225 HP Pulse Motor funded by Mr. Andrew Wong of Yuen Fat in Hong Kong – developed in USA.   There was an Energy Multiplier that could lead-out gravitational and electromagnetic energy from Tsinghua University.  That Energy Multiplier could have output energy 30 times that of the supplied input energy.
 
The first UFO we were aware of in China using such technology was in Nanjing 2006.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbSSTqlanS8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbSSTqlanS8)
 
The Milkovic two stage pendulum demonstrated leading-out gravitational energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8)

1.   At 2:07 time, the 46 pound pendulum was at its maximum height position.  A small push with the fingers lifted the 74 pound weight twice.
 2.   Between 2:07 and 3:30, note that the weight was lifted twice with each push from the fingers.
3.   The weight was lifted when the pendulum was at the lowest height position.
 4.   That position was the highest velocity position.  The centrifugal force was highest.
 5.   Notice that the maximum swing position was hardly changed.
 
 If we can lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy, we must be able to bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy via a magnetic pendulum and artificial magnetic fields.
 
The comments after the presentation include:
 
1. The Input Energy to the Milkovic two stage pendulum is to keep the pendulum swinging like another other pendulum system.  It is used to overcome friction and air resistance.
2. The up and down motion of the lever system is created from the varying centrifugal force of the pendulum.  It is free.
3. This free energy is considered as the lead-out gravitational energy.  It can cause the hammer-like weight to do work.
4. If gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in, magnetic or electromagnetic energy must be able to be brought-in.
5. We can improve Milkovic 2SO via unbalanced wheel, magnetic pendulum, pulsed magnetic or electromagnetic fields.
6. Some UFOs are made in USA or China.  Many Nations are technically capable of making them.  It is a matter of time.
 
More details are available in overunity.com.  Search using “UFO propu”.  Reply 1 shows the possible design of a lead-out energy flying saucer.  The angular velocity at the top can be much higher than that at the bottom.  The resulting centrifugal force difference will provide the net thrust to move the device upwards.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 21, 2016, 10:46:56 PM
¡Hola desde Cuba! Michelle, the girls, and I are here in Havana on our first full day in Cuba. Cubans have lined the streets to welcome us, and it’s humbling to be the first U.S. president in nearly 90 years to visit a country and a people just 90 miles from our shores.



President Obama and the First Family Take a Walk in Old Havana


Like so many Americans, I've only known the isolation that has existed between our two governments. I was born in 1961, the year of the Bay of Pigs invasion. A year later, a Cold War confrontation over Cuba pushed the world as close as it’s ever been to nuclear war. As the decades passed, the mistrust between our governments resulted in heartache for our two peoples, including Cuban Americans, many of whom have endured decades of separation from their homeland and relatives.

I’ve come to Havana to extend the hand of friendship to the Cuban people. I'm here to bury the last vestige of the Cold War in the Americas and to forge a new era of understanding to help improve the daily lives of the Cuban people.

There continue to be real and important differences between our governments, including profound differences on the way to promote safety, security, opportunity, and human rights. But there’s so much Americans and Cubans share -- our cultures and passions, our hopes for the future, not to mention a love of baseball.

I know one visit, and one president, cannot erase the decades of history that have left so many Cubans in poverty or exile. But sometimes the most important changes begin with the smallest step. I believe in the Cuban people and their desire to build a future of their own choosing. And I believe that changing the way we do things between our countries will, over time, help make that possible.

So I’m looking forward to meeting and hearing directly from Cubans from all walks of life. And I’m confident that, working together with the Cuban people, our two countries can begin a new journey together that delivers progress for both our peoples.

Thank you,

President Barack Obama

***Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into your Brothers and Sisters
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 21, 2016, 10:56:29 PM
Easter is coming. The comments after the March 14 presentation include:
 
1. The Input Energy to the Milkovic two stage pendulum is to keep the pendulum swinging like another other pendulum system.  It is used to overcome friction and air resistance.  Many pendulum systems have efficiency close to 99%.
2. The up and down motion of the lever system is created from the varying centrifugal force of the pendulum.  It is free.
3. This free energy is considered as the lead-out gravitational energy.  It can cause the hammer-like weight to do work.
4. If gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in, magnetic or electromagnetic energy must be able to be brought-in.

From this point of view, the Milkovic 2SO is definitely an overunity device...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 22, 2016, 02:15:56 AM
Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity to pay some farmers NOT to farm?

The Loess Plateau lesson in China taught us that subsistence farming and animal grazing did more harm than good.  The farmers were paid to restore the environment.

In USA, some farmers are paid NOT to produce more grain.

Such will need Government planning and coordination.  Is State Capitalism better than blind Market Forces?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Paul-R on March 22, 2016, 06:21:43 PM

http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/08/28/1761/8502373_another-academic-paper-concluding-overunity-in-the-milkovic-two-stage-oscillator/ (http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/08/28/1761/8502373_another-academic-paper-concluding-overunity-in-the-milkovic-two-stage-oscillator/)
That paper says that the modus operandi is the use of a "gravity shield". Where and what is it?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 30, 2016, 10:55:46 AM
That paper says that the modus operandi is the use of a "gravity shield". Where and what is it?

Please study the 14 slides in
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55190#msg55190

When a research is at its infancy, people speculate and use new terms.  I do not care about the term "gravity shield".  The Milkovic Two Stage pendulum points to the leading out of gravitational energy.  If we can do that, we can have the Flying Saucer with upward thrust.

There is no need to create a new term "gravity shield"...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 30, 2016, 11:02:41 AM
A Comment at the Lunch table.

"China is clever.  It has discovered that if it wants to get rich, it should get others rich also.  It is building Infrastructures in Africa to make African Nations rich.  This will ensure lasting peace."

The old evil way of getting a Nation rich via conquests, colonizing, enslaving other Nations must not be repeated...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Paul-R on March 30, 2016, 06:22:18 PM

There is no need to create a new term "gravity shield"...
Its not a new term; it, and the idea it represents, is as old as the hills. The paper you mentioned in post 441 says that it is the principle behind the development. Therefore, that paper should be discarded. And I ask again, where are the results?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 30, 2016, 09:09:58 PM
Its not a new term; it, and the idea it represents, is as old as the hills. The paper you mentioned in post 441 says that it is the principle behind the development. Therefore, that paper should be discarded. And I ask again, where are the results?

A scientific paper may not contain 100% correct information.  Much hard work and research has gone in.

We built a flimsy Mikovic 2SO awhile back.  The pendulum bob did not go back approximately to its initial let-go position.  The Raymond Head video 6 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8 showed a much better result.

With the flimsy Milkovic 2SO, the false conclusion was that energy of the seesaw action must come from the finger push.

We shall build a firm Milkovic 2SO in Hong Kong.  The Engineer believed that it would cost only a few hundred US dollars...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 31, 2016, 10:35:10 AM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55223#msg55223

The non-technical presentation with 21 slides.

We must have the new mindset - if we want to be rich, make others rich...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Paul-R on March 31, 2016, 04:52:08 PM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55223#msg55223 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55223#msg55223)

The non-technical presentation with 21 slides.

We must have the new mindset - if we want to be rich, make others rich...
.
We have passed this way before. It didn't convince previously.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 31, 2016, 07:01:09 PM
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We have passed this way before. It didn't convince previously.

UFOs are flying.  Some are made in USA and in China.  Some may even be built by Aliens.

We just want to lay down a plausible scientific explanation.  It does not need to convince every one or any one.
 
We also point out the Military Applications.  If we can address these concerns,  USA or China may disclose the technology.  Or a third Nation may demonstrate it first...

Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 31, 2016, 09:24:14 PM
The youtube videos related to the water works project in China is worth watching.  It is in Chinese.  Search using the keywords "water Pulse".  There are 8 videos.

I was specially interested in the seventh videio on how China cleaned up the polluted rivers and lakes.

It is technology, technology and technology.

But it also needed Government action and will to close down thousands of polluting industries - especially the paper manufacturing industries...  China knows how to print money to relocate the many thousand individuals and Companies affected.

Lead-out energy is another technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 01, 2016, 09:48:30 PM
*** Why do we focus so much attention on the Milkovic 2SO?

Overunity refers to the phenomena of Output Energy greater than Input Energy.  The conventional thinking is that the maximum Output Energy can only be equal to the Input Energy in any device.  There will always be frictional and other losses in the device.  Thus overunity is impossible.

Once we changed our thinking and look at bringing-in or leading-out energy from the external environment, the New Input Energy is then the sum of the supplied Input Energy plus the Lead-out Energy.  This sum can thus be greater than the Output Energy.

We can always use gravitational energy once – such a rock rolling down a hill.  But previously, we were not able to use such energy continuously.  With the Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum, we can now do so. 

The Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum opens a whole new field of research.  Bringing-in Energy from the environment is now “respectable”. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 01, 2016, 10:22:11 PM
The youtube videos related to the water works project in China is worth watching.  It is in Chinese.  Search using the keywords "water Pulse".  There are 8 videos.

I was specially interested in the seventh videio on how China cleaned up the polluted rivers and lakes.

It is technology, technology and technology.
But it also needed Government action and will to close down thousands of polluting industries - especially the paper manufacturing industries...  China knows how to print money to relocate the many thousand individuals and Companies affected.

Lead-out energy is another technology.

China built 127 large water treatment plants; closed thousands of polluting factories; created thousands of artificial wetlands.  It directly connected the outlets of many polluting factories to the water treatment plants.  Previously, the policy of warning and fining polluting factories did not work.  Now the State took over the task...

Water diverted from South to North reached acceptable standards.

China might clean up the air pollution problem from car by "ordering" every car to have non-polluting lead-out energy engines.  Will it happen in our lifetime?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 03, 2016, 01:32:56 AM
Is it possible for a Country such as Ethiopia to develop and demonstrate a lead-out energy flying saucer?


1.  Can Ethiopian Scientists replicate the Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum?
2.  Can the Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum be firm enough to confirm the effect as seen in the Raymond Head Video 6?
3.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists replicate the Chan Wheel to bring-in or lead-out more gravitational energy?
4.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists do accurate scientific experimentsi to confirm that there is indeed lead-out gravitational energy?
5.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists use magnets and coils to produce magnetic field to enhance performance?
6.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists then create a QMOGEN with the unbalanced wheel as an enhancing component?
7.  Can the Ethopian Scientists replace the unbalanced wheel with cylinder(s) to produce the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier that can bring-in gravitational and electromagnetic energy to increase output energy 30 times?
8.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists follow the design in reply 1 of this thread and produce a propulsion unit that can produce net thrust upwards?
9.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists put multiple propulsion units together to produce a working lead-out energy flying saucer?
10.  Will the Ethiopian Government and people support their scientists?
11.  Will that boost the self-confidence of Ethiopia and the African Nations?
12.  Will the USA or Chinese Government stop that?


China produced the Nanjing UFO in Aug 2006 - a few months after Lee Cheung Kin and Lawrence Tseung presented the Lead-out Energy theory at Tsinghua University...


Can Nation X do it???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 03, 2016, 02:28:25 PM
If Country A uses UFO as transport and Country B uses car as transport, what will happen to their GDP growth?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 03, 2016, 03:42:27 PM
Internet and Information technology.

One comment: "Developed Countries use information technology very well.  For example, MacDonald Fast Food Restaurants are everywhere.  The management can see the business activities in any one via their computer systems."

China is adopting this technology very quickly.  Some even use webcam devices to get a first hand view of the operations.  It does not matter whether a particular branch is in China or outside China. This technology is expected to expand...

UFO technology will benefit...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 03, 2016, 10:59:23 PM
Is it possible for a Country such as Ethiopia to develop and demonstrate a lead-out energy flying saucer?


1.  Can Ethiopian Scientists replicate the Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum?
2.  Can the Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum be firm enough to confirm the effect as seen in the Raymond Head Video 6?
3.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists replicate the Chan Wheel to bring-in or lead-out more gravitational energy?
4.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists do accurate scientific experimentsi to confirm that there is indeed lead-out gravitational energy?
5.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists use magnets and coils to produce magnetic field to enhance performance?
6.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists then create a QMOGEN with the unbalanced wheel as an enhancing component?
7.  Can the Ethopian Scientists replace the unbalanced wheel with cylinder(s) to produce the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier that can bring-in gravitational and electromagnetic energy to increase output energy 30 times?
8.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists follow the design in reply 1 of this thread and produce a propulsion unit that can produce net thrust upwards?
9.  Can the Ethiopian Scientists put multiple propulsion units together to produce a working lead-out energy flying saucer?
10.  Will the Ethiopian Government and people support their scientists?
11.  Will that boost the self-confidence of Ethiopia and the African Nations?
12.  Will the USA or Chinese Government stop that?


China produced the Nanjing UFO in Aug 2006 - a few months after Lee Cheung Kin and Lawrence Tseung presented the Lead-out Energy theory at Tsinghua University...


Can Nation X do it???


Would it be better for a group of Nations to do it together?  The African Union?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: John.K1 on April 03, 2016, 11:33:47 PM
Hey, ltseung888, Arn't you still tired of your geo-political monologue?? :)


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 04, 2016, 12:26:37 AM
What happens when every family owns a lead-out energy flying saucer?


When every family is energy independent; has equal access to knowledge and technology; has abundance of food and material wealth...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on April 04, 2016, 06:08:33 AM
...When every family is energy independent; has equal access to knowledge and technology; has abundance of food and material wealth...
I think that happens in the after-life, not in this one. As part of the food chain, it's in our nature to keep down those that we can, and to use what we can for our own benefit, oblivious and ignorant to the ill effects that has on everyone, including those with the so called power.

Just saw a person with a dead lawn pouring gallons of water on it, even during our worst drought ever. A fresh water drought that is world wide and that few realize the significance of. Two neighbors have put in new grass three times already and it's starting to die again. I have all faith in them replanting more grass as that is the only logical solution that the sheeple can conceive of.

I have read numerous articles that we have about three years of Helium supply left at our current rate of consumption. The sheeple will wonder in three years why we can't fill up our party balloons anymore. No helium means no lead-out flying sauces for the kids.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 06, 2016, 05:00:36 AM
The concept of - if a Nation wants to get rich, it should get other Nations rich.


This is very different from the traditional concept of conquest, colonize and enslave.


How should we promote the new concept and achieve lasting peace?


Should we share the UFO technology with all Nations???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: seychelles on April 06, 2016, 06:21:10 AM
ITSUNG OUR SALVATION IS NOT TO BE GOTTEN THROUGH TECHNOLOGICAL
ADVANCEMENT BUT THROUGH OUR MORAL CONVICTIONS AND LIVING LIFE TRUTHFULLY..IT IS WRITTEN IN THE GOOD BOOK WHAT IS THE USE OF OWNING THE WHOLE UNIVERSE BUT YOU HAVE LOST YOUR SOUL.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 07, 2016, 07:33:53 AM
The New Philosophy of Wealth of Nations.

The new way for a Nation to get rich is to get other Nations rich at the same time.  This is very different from the old evil way of conquest, colonization and slavery.  Can this new philosophy take hold?
 
The weapons of mass destruction are horrifying.  We are going to have the means of delivering them in the form of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers.  If hatred or revenge were present in the hearts of some men, they might contemplate destroying the World including themselves.  We have seen suicide bombers.
 
Do Humans need an external enemy like Aliens to unite and prosper together?
 
Many Developing Nations, in particular the African Nations, look at the Chinese Economic Model and ask: “Can we learn from it?”  China is playing a new win-win role in providing loans, building infrastructures and ignoring politics.  China is actually practicing the new philosophy of getting other Nations rich so that it will get rich.
 
When a Nation has developed a significant number of infrastructures such as roads, bridges, trains etc., it makes no sense to build roads leading to nowhere.  If a Nation has achieved food security, it makes no sense to put more food in warehouses to rot.  If a Nation has manufactured excess electrical appliances, it makes no sense to produce more.  The GDP will automatically slow down.  The Nation is said to be developed.  China aims higher.  China wants to maintain high GDP and technology growth.
 
One way for China to keep increasing its GDP and maintaining a high level of meaningful economic activities is to trade.  In trade, China needs other Nations to be wealthy to sustain and expand the trade.  Thus it makes sense for China to help African Nations to get rich.  One way is to help to develop the global view and the necessary infrastructures.  The infrastructures include modern agriculture to ensure food security; building dams for irrigation and electricity; roads, bridges and trains to facilitate transport; building modern cities with the Internet structures, the housing, the hospitals, the schools and the recreational facilities.  It is government planning at its best. 
 
The Deng policy of letting some to get rich first worked wonders for China.  The successful entrepreneurs inspired the rest.  The creativity and innovation spirits of the average citizen is stimulated.  “If he can do it, I can do it also.”
 
China is getting good at this game with its many five year plans.  It acquired and learned much technology, technology and technology.  It also learned to increase the money supply wisely.  It has developed the self-confidence that any problem can be solved if it is identified.  Successes with Special Economic Zones, Loess Plateau, Three Gorges Dam, 2008 Olympics, Transporting water from South to North and the Lunar Landing etc. reinforced that self-confidence.  If there is no lack of capital, no lack of labor force, no lack of technology, any Developing Nation can use the Chinese Model to get developed within a generation.  Ethiopia is likely to be such an example.
 
The new development getting our attention is – can UFO be man-made?  Have USA and China built them?  What is stopping USA and China from introducing such a technology to benefit the World?
 
There is the unspoken fear from the West – will a rising power repeat the evil act of conquest, colonization and slavery?  Will the rising power take the land and resources just like the West did in the past?  Are there Aliens that are scientifically much more advanced?  What happens if they want to take over the resources of the Earth?
 
Movies such Independence Day mentioned the possibility of such a scenario.  However, there are few movies or books written to explain the win-win philosophy of getting other Nations rich so that one can get rich.  Many Developed Countries view African Nations as a group to be pitied.  There will always be tribal conflicts, war and famine.  They will maintain substance farming and wait to be exploited.  They suggest China is just another Colonialist stealing the resources of Africa.  Many point to the Bible and claim that nuclear war is inevitable…
 
With the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer, Humans will be able to join the Aliens in exploring space.  All Humans can enjoy the right of good health care, adequate food, clean water and energy, education and opportunity to be the best he can be.  The West focused much on Freedom of Speech.  With the Internet, Government Censorship is getting more and more difficult.  Concepts such Mutual Credits, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy, win-win, World as One etc will emerge.  Will humans respect one another?  Will humans destroy one another with hatred and memory of the past? 
 
Will Humans turn enemies into brothers and sisters?
 
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on April 07, 2016, 08:23:28 AM
The new way for a Nation to get rich is to get other Nations rich at the same time...

With the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer, Humans will be able to join the Aliens in exploring space...
Perhaps nations need to learn how to be more productive with being less rich. The USA in all our moral talk is one of the worst polluters on the planet. We export petcoke, one of the dirtiest fuels, to other countries to burn. Out of sight, out of mind, except for the record smog being seen in some of those countries.

If I was an alien, I would do everything I could to prevent humans from leaving this rock we call earth. Quarantined like any invasive, destructive virus should be.


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 07, 2016, 08:24:40 AM
Who is likely to lead in the UFO field?


Both China and USA have built UFOs.  Other Nations are not far behind.


Which Country is likely to lead the research and development?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wifr8pUiMqQ&t=1638s


That Youtube discusses some the of Innovation Models in China...


Innovation is not logic.  It often relies on the inspiration of a few individuals.  Undoubtedly, both USA and China have created the environment that encourages innovation.  Both are doing it as top military secret.


My bet is that the race will be red hot with many other players as soon as the technology is internationally recognized.  There will be breakthroughs from many parties. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 08, 2016, 03:25:26 PM
At the fishing farm, we talked while waiting for the fish to bite.


Fisherman 1: "If UFO technology is so powerful, the Nation that mastered it first will have a definite edge."


Fisherman 2: "Every one will be watching.  It is like the Internet.  Any discovery will be copied within days if not hours."


Fisherman 3: "Is it a miracle that China mastered this technology already?"



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 09, 2016, 03:39:43 AM
Watched the TV series on how the average Chinese Citizen make it rich.

One of the stories talked about raising chickens by allowing them to roam in fileds and hills.  It is totally different from the factory style chicken farms.

Initially, every one thought that the entrepreneur was stupid.  He already made his fortunate in IT.  The cost of his chickens are two to three times higher.  His losses due to wild animals were high.  He initially sold every chicken at a loss. 

He used his IT knowledge.  His customers can see the chickens roaming via webcams.  They tasted the chickens and believed that they were not farm chickens.  Some high class restaurants advertised the special chicken dishes were REAL Wild Chickens.  His ventured succeeded and helped his entire village to become rich...

To him and supporters, this venture is a Meaningful Economic Activity.

We have to change the mindset.  Niche Products do not need to be of the lowest cost. 

The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer will start as a Niche Product.  We have to remove the fear that it may become the weapon delivery system. We have to remove the hidden fear of the West - some rising power or Aliens will conquer, colonize and enslave them...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 12, 2016, 12:01:41 AM
One group is working on the prototype as in reply 1 of this thread.


One goal is to check whether net thrust can be produced.


The other goal is to check whether the pulsed drive coil can lead-out energy.


Sow seeds...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 12, 2016, 08:09:58 PM
Phone call at the fishing farm.

"My name is Lee.  I am looking for investment opportunities.  I learned about Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer from my father who goes to the same senior center as you."

Tseung: "Tell me more about yourself."

Lee: "I work for a consulting firm.  One of our clients is a Provincial Government in China.  They are looking for the next high technology."

Tseung: "Have you read my posts at overunity.com?"

Lee: "I have.  But the information is scattered.  I would like to meet you and spend a couple of hours."

When one sows seeds, the unexpected will happen.  Is this a big fish?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 12, 2016, 08:26:46 PM
check whether I can post zip or rar files.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 13, 2016, 04:17:44 PM
Lee: "Tell me more about your win-win philosophy of getting others rich so that you can get rich."

Tseung: "China has mastered the technique of printing money to get rich.  If the Government does not increase the money supply, one person getting rich will mean another getting poor.  But printing money indiscriminately will cause run away inflation.  China focuses on Infrastructure development and mastering of technology, technology and technology.  Some of its state owned factories have the most advanced machinery.  Increasing money supply in this way benefits the Nation."

Lee: "But how would this make other Nations rich?"

Tseung: "Other Nations are also aware of increasing money supply.  But some Nations simply increase the money supply without appropriate direction and control.  That resulted in run away inflation and loss of confidence in the currency.  So China has to impart such knowledge in a subtle manner."

Lee: "So that is the essence of Mutual Credits.  But China is not really promoting it in the way you described."

Tseung: "Real life is different from academic thoughts.  One must be flexible enough to use the thoughts appropriately.  Just like market forces - it has good points such as eliminating the incompetent.  But it also has its bad points such as creating ups and downs.  That is why you need the thinkers and the practitioners..."

Lee: "I like the part that a Nation no longer needs to conquer, colonize or enslave other Nations to get rich."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 14, 2016, 07:00:22 AM

Lee: "I like the part that a Nation no longer needs to conquer, colonize or enslave other Nations to get rich."

At the Senior Center in Wan Chai.  "You must be rich to think like that."

Tseung: "Technology has changed scarcity to relative abundance.  If there were no population explosion, every human can have enough to eat; enough to keep warm; receive education and enjoy a good standard of living."

Senior 1: "You probably forgot the war with Japan.  They treated us badly.  I would never forget that."

Tseung: "They suffered under the atomic bomb.  China is powerful now.  We have to change enemies into brothers and sisters."

*** This is a situation when leaders should forget about popular thinking or democracy and should promote Love thine Enemies.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 14, 2016, 11:30:04 PM
Technology, technology and technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam)

The collapse of the Banqiao Dam was one of the worst dam disasters in human history.  The dam was built in the 1950s with unsafe technology and poorly maintained.

The general direction was correct.  Build dams to contain floods and generate electricity.  But when China did not have the technology, that turned to disaster.  Does China have the technology now?

Have China mastered the UFO technology?  Be safe than sorry. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 15, 2016, 09:36:16 PM
At the fishing farm again.


Caught a big fish with orange.  This technique may be special to this farm.  But almost all repeat customers know it.


Technology can be learned.  Initially, it may not be common sense.  UFO is not common sense.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 16, 2016, 11:53:52 PM
The New Philosophy of Wealth of Nations.
The new way for a Nation to get rich is to get other Nations rich at the same time.  This is very different from the old evil way of conquest, colonization and slavery.  Can this new philosophy take hold?
 
The weapons of mass destruction are horrifying.  We are going to have the means of delivering them in the form of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers.  If hatred or revenge were present in the hearts of some men, they might contemplate destroying the World including themselves.  We have seen suicide bombers.
 
Do Humans need an external enemy like Aliens to unite and prosper together?
 
Many Developing Nations, in particular the African Nations, look at the Chinese Economic Model and ask: “Can we learn from it?”  China is playing a new win-win role in providing loans, building infrastructures and ignoring politics.  China is actually practicing the new philosophy of getting other Nations rich so that it will get rich.
 
When a Nation has developed a significant number of infrastructures such as roads, bridges, trains etc., it makes no sense to build roads leading to nowhere.  If a Nation has achieved food security, it makes no sense to put more food in warehouses to rot.  If a Nation has manufactured excess electrical appliances, it makes no sense to produce more.  The GDP will automatically slow down.  The Nation is said to be developed.  China aims higher.  China wants to maintain high GDP and technology growth.
 
One way for China to keep increasing its GDP and maintaining a high level of meaningful economic activities is to trade.  In trade, China needs other Nations to be wealthy to sustain and expand the trade.  Thus it makes sense for China to help African Nations to get rich.  One way is to help to develop the global view and the necessary infrastructures.  The infrastructures include modern agriculture to ensure food security; building dams for irrigation and electricity; roads, bridges and trains to facilitate transport; building modern cities with the Internet structures, the housing, the hospitals, the schools and the recreational facilities.  It is government planning at its best. 
 
The Deng policy of letting some to get rich first worked wonders for China.  The successful entrepreneurs inspired the rest.  The creativity and innovation spirits of the average citizen is stimulated.  “If he can do it, I can do it also.”
 
China is getting good at this game with its many five year plans.  It acquired and learned much technology, technology and technology.  It also learned to increase the money supply wisely.  It has developed the self-confidence that any problem can be solved if it is identified.  Successes with Special Economic Zones, Loess Plateau, Three Gorges Dam, 2008 Olympics, Transporting water from South to North and the Lunar Landing etc. reinforced that self-confidence.  If there is no lack of capital, no lack of labor force, no lack of technology, any Developing Nation can use the Chinese Model to get developed within a generation.  Ethiopia is likely to be such an example.
 
The new development getting our attention is – can UFO be man-made?  Have USA and China built them?  What is stopping USA and China from introducing such a technology to benefit the World?
 
There is the unspoken fear from the West – will a rising power repeat the evil act of conquest, colonization and slavery?  Will the rising power take the land and resources just like the West did in the past?  Are there Aliens that are scientifically much more advanced?  What happens if they want to take over the resources of the Earth?
 
Movies such Independence Day mentioned the possibility of such a scenario.  However, there are few movies or books written to explain the win-win philosophy of getting other Nations rich so that one can get rich.  Many Developed Countries view African Nations as a group to be pitied.  There will always be tribal conflicts, war and famine.  They will maintain substance farming and wait to be exploited.  They suggest China is just another Colonialist stealing the resources of Africa.  Many point to the Bible and claim that nuclear war is inevitable…
 
With the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer, Humans will be able to join the Aliens in exploring space.  All Humans can enjoy the right of good health care, adequate food, clean water and energy, education and opportunity to be the best he can be.  The West focused much on Freedom of Speech.  With the Internet, Government Censorship is getting more and more difficult.  Concepts such Mutual Credits, Meaningful Economic Activities, Super Democracy, win-win, World as One etc will emerge.  Will humans respect one another?  Will humans destroy one another with hatred and memory of the past? 
 
Will Humans turn enemies into brothers and sisters?


Lee: "A consultant can be extremely valuable with just one key recommendation.  You have two here.  UFO and get rich together."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 17, 2016, 02:24:04 AM
Technology includes "killer bees".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b99wrKYe5cw&index=2&list=PL0aG8gfHp8vUqt6EFzBCpWnR0jGPLprCV



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 21, 2016, 09:47:20 AM
Discussion with an Engineer.
1.  A simple pendulum needs to overcome air resistance and the friction at the pivot.  That can be very small.  We can easily achieve 99% efficiency.
2.  If the simple pendulum is connected to a seesaw in the Milkovic 2SO fashion, the up and down motion of the weight is automatically maintained.
3.  The maintaining of the up and down motion is NOT via static forces but via the centrifugal force.  Please study the Raymond Head video 6 very carefully.  The weight is lifted twice for every finger push.
4.  The centrifugal force mechanism is "free" by the pendulum swinging motion.  So long as the pendulum swinging motion is maintained, the up and down motion of the weight is also maintained.
5.  The up and down motion of the weight can be used to do work - such as producing the loud bang, crash nuts or pump water.  In the Raymond Head video, the pendulum swings back almost to its original position.  The up and down motion  of the weight produced the loud bang and must have done some work.
6.  One possible explanation is that gravitational energy has been led-out in the process.
7.  The simple pendulum is not very efficient as the energy led-out is occurs at the highest centrifugal force position.  Or when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position.
8.  We can improve the Milkovic 2SO by replacing the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel - the Chan wheel.  The rotational speed can be increased and more gravitational energy can be led-in.
9.  We can further improve the Chan Wheel with Cylinder.  A Cylinder can be thought of as many wheels put together side-by-side.
10.  We can further improve the mechanism via leading out of electromagnetic energy.  A ferromagnetic magnetic material can be thought of as many tiny magnets arranged in random when there is no electric current.  If DC current is passed, these tiny magnets can be aligned to produce a large magnetic field. 
11.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier leads out both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  The Output can be 30 times Input.
12.  UFOs are flying.  Some of these UFOs are made in China or in USA. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 23, 2016, 11:53:03 AM
Went to a seminar.  The topic was:  some seemingly small thoughts can change the World.

Trying to apply this philosophy to my own understanding.

1.  Gravitational energy can be led-out.

2.  UFO can be man-made.

3.  A Country must increase its money supply for its citizens to be wealthy.

4.  The way for a Country to get rich is to get other Countries rich.

5.  Knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will maintain.

6.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 25, 2016, 02:04:41 AM
I like the three series of TV programs in China.

1.  I like to invent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdJq4ka7-Vg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdJq4ka7-Vg)

2.  The science and technology garden.
[size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvrMbioWogk&list=PL0aG8gfHp8vUqt6EFzBCpWnR0jGPLprCV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvrMbioWogk&list=PL0aG8gfHp8vUqt6EFzBCpWnR0jGPLprCV)

3.  How he become rich.
https://www.you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXr03i71y9g&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)[size=78%]tube.com/watch?v=MXr03i71y9g&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXr03i71y9g&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)[/size]


I also like the Government policy of making local officials responsible for GDP growth.  Many University graduates become village officials.  Their stories of how to get the villagers wealthy are worth watching and discussing...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 27, 2016, 08:36:46 PM
Went to a seminar.  The topic was:  some seemingly small thoughts can change the World.

Trying to apply this philosophy to my own understanding.

1.  Gravitational energy can be led-out.

2.  UFO can be man-made.

3.  A Country must increase its money supply for its citizens to be wealthy.

4.  The way for a Country to get rich is to get other Countries rich.

5.  Knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will maintain.

6.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.


Met a retired former British Official at the fishing pond.

His comments.  "I never expect Hong Kong and China to develop so fast in my lifetime.  Sky scrapers appeared everywhere.  Made in China goods are in every store.  I can peacefully retire."

Any Nation can be developed within a lifetime.  Love thy Enemies...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 29, 2016, 12:38:04 AM
Went to a seminar.  The topic was:  some seemingly small thoughts can change the World.

Trying to apply this philosophy to my own understanding.

1.  Gravitational energy can be led-out.

2.  UFO can be man-made.

3.  A Country must increase its money supply for its citizens to be wealthy.

4.  The way for a Country to get rich is to get other Countries rich.

5.  Knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will maintain.

6.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.

It is the traditional time for the Chinese to honor the dead.  I stared at the photo of the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  I asked the question - Lee discovered that gravitational energy could be led-out. That gave the scientific basis for the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.  USA and China developed the UFO but kept that as top secret.

Does it matter if some people dispute the validity of the scientific concepts?  The diagram in reply 1 of this thread is clear enough.  I do not have the resources to build a UFO myself.  What is the next step?


3.  A Country must increase its money supply for its citizens to be wealthy.

4.  The way for a Country to get rich is to get other Countries rich.
5.  Knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will maintain.
6.  Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into brothers and sisters.

Can I help to set up a think tank to help every Nation to get developed?  Can the think tank promote Love Thy Enemies?  Technically, the Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory pointed the way to a new paradigm.  Humans can travel to space with the energy already available in the Universe.


Politically, can the think tank point to prosperity and lasting peace for all humans?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 01, 2016, 03:56:35 AM
Thoughts can change the World.


UFOs are here.  Some of them are made in USA and China.


We must all face this new paradigm together...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 02, 2016, 01:39:04 AM
Role of Think Tank for the World.


One World, One Dream.


Which Think Tank will have that vision?  Which Think Tank will go beyond its National Interests?  Which Think Tank will not be influenced by funding?  Which Think Tank will have the respect of the elite and the masses?


If the Think Tank can advocate the Lead-out Energy Paradigm...
If the Think Tank can design an UFO...
If the Think Tank can come up with 5 year plans for many developing nations...
If the Think Tank can give the glory and reward to others...
If the Think Tank has no power and no resources to implement any of the proposals...

One comment:
The sad reality is that think tanks are seldom independent.  To make studies require resources and connections.  To make a good study you need a lot of resources and permission to access sensitive data.  That is why all think tanks are funded, and unfortunately by people with political agenda.

Even if you want to be politically neutral, it is difficult.  Bright scientific minds will find their ideas suby politicians.  Scientists can discover the enormous energy involved in fission and fusion, but politicians turn that into A-bombs and H-bomb. 

I am a pessimist.

***

The new type of think tanks can be totally independent and use little material resources.  For example, an agricultural scientist can look at the Israel agricultural technique of growing tomatoes on sand.  Normally, growing tomatoes require good soil and water.  The Israel technique uses controlled supply of water with nutrients.  Desert sand has no pests.

A think tank scientist can look into such innovative, non-traditional techniques and advise.

We can advise on Lead out Energy Flying Saucers etc.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 02, 2016, 04:51:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMn0Hx7hNiU

Latest UFO footage on April 30, 2016.

If China and USA can build UFOs, can Aliens build much more advanced ones?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 04, 2016, 01:33:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2RA0eyAj4M

documentary on growing grass in China.  It took many years for the Chinese experts and growers to develop
techniques to match top International Standards.

It is technology, technology and technology again.

In the past, the Chinese tradition was to keep technological secrets - so that they could pass to their sons (not daughters).  Now, the Government actively promotes technology.  The Inventors and innovators get fame and fortune.  Witness the above TV series.

Let some get rich first.  Increase the money supply and distribute appropriately.  This stimulates productivity and innovation.  Promote whatever works...

Do UFOs work?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 04, 2016, 09:42:09 AM
Mr. Bill Fung is doing a prototype based on the design in reply 1 of this thread.

So far he has constructed a circular disk on a square board.  He has completed a ferromagnetic core coil with 300 turns.  That can act as a very strong magnet.

More to come.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 08, 2016, 09:06:57 AM
Open letter on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

To: All
Subject: Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

UFO sightings are everywhere.  Can some of these UFOs be man-made?  One possible design is available in reply 1 of http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg454951/#msg454951.

Most likely, USA and China have mastered such technology.  They are keeping such UFO technology as military secret.   The UFO technology can potentially obsolete all warplanes, missiles and star war defenses.

However, such technology can greatly benefit mankind.  Image the family car replaced by the Flying Saucer.  The Flying Saucer can use gravitational, electron motion and other as yet not fully understood energy already available in our universe.

To convince the Governments to release such technology for civilian use, we have to change our mind-set related to “Wealth of Nations”.  Previously, Leaders believed that the way to become rich is to have military dominance.  They could then conquer, colonize, and enslave other Nations.  Such thoughts will lead to possible World War 3 and the destruction of the entire Human Race.

The new philosophy of “Wealth of Nations” is to get other Nations rich if one wants to get rich and remain so.   A wealthy Nation will not risk the destruction of its wealth via a nuclear war.  It can become wealthier and safer if other Nations are also wealthy.  The present day technology can already make all Nations wealthy.  The Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology will greatly enhance the wealth.

If USA and China can build UFOs, other Nations, include Aliens from Outer Space, can surely build UFOs.  We have to get all Nations developed and wealthy as fast as possible.  China has shown that a Nation can be developed within one generation.  It is not only a matter of technology, technology and technology but also the Mind-set.

Thus, we shall discuss also the Mind-set change needed in the thread
http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg454951/#msg454951

Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sister…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 08, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
A good bait for the big fish in the fishing pond is citrus fruits such as oranges.

This knowledge initially was not believed but successes followed.  Technology sometimes appears to be "impossible" but...

China owes much of its rapid economic development to adopting and improving technology.  New technology is rapidly shared.  What will happen to the UFO technology?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 09, 2016, 01:54:35 PM
Fung Coil and Fung Wheel

The coil can be air core or ferromagnetic core.  The magnetic effect of the ferromagnetic core is many times that of the air core.

Any suggestions on the electric control circuit required?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Turbo on May 09, 2016, 03:51:24 PM
well done Tseung!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: seychelles on May 09, 2016, 04:24:20 PM
Hi TSEUNG, what type of fish is this fish i you pic...Keep up your great work..I guest you have seen mr skinner gravity machine energy amplifier..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIRaJlTD4Y&feature=youtu.be
i believe that this is the machine we should all be working on . this could be easily replicated in china.maybe you can find out it would cost to replicate it then we will do a group financing of it..
I am from praslin island seychelles right in the middle of the indian ocean..the fish in my pics is a travally ..
sad news though all the coral is bleaching white and die   here ..all to do the the global warming which is too much energy absorbed by the oceans..sea water is too hot 28 *c..
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 11, 2016, 01:34:14 PM
Hi TSEUNG, what type of fish is this fish i you pic...Keep up your great work..I guest you have seen mr skinner gravity machine energy amplifier..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIRaJlTD4Y&feature=youtu.be
i believe that this is the machine we should all be working on . this could be easily replicated in china.maybe you can find out it would cost to replicate it then we will do a group financing of it..
I am from praslin island seychelles right in the middle of the indian ocean..the fish in my pics is a travally ..
sad news though all the coral is bleaching white and die   here ..all to do the the global warming which is too much energy absorbed by the oceans..sea water is too hot 28 *c..

Praslin is the second largest island (38.5 km2) of the Seychelles, lying 44 km (27 mi) northeast of Mahé. Praslin has a population of around 7,533 people and comprises two administrative districts: Baie Sainte Anne and Grand' Anse. The main settlements are the Baie Ste Anne, Anse Volbert and Grand' Anse.

Apparently, the main income is from tourism.

If the lead-out energy flying saucer were developed in Seychelles, what will happen...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 11, 2016, 08:40:48 PM
ufo news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKmwcvsELpc

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Gothic on May 12, 2016, 12:34:43 AM
"If the lead-out energy flying saucer were developed in Seychelles, what will happen..."

Well it seems if you had an antigrav vehicle you would constantly be pursued by fighter jets...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 12, 2016, 11:35:41 AM
"If the lead-out energy flying saucer were developed in Seychelles, what will happen..."

Well it seems if you had an antigrav vehicle you would constantly be pursued by fighter jets...

That is why UFO technology is kept as top secret in USA and China. 
But now the technology is somewhat known.  Russia, UK, Japan etc. might have been experimenting with the technology.

But which Nation will announce it?  I believe that will be a surprise...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 13, 2016, 12:08:03 AM

Praslin is the second largest island (38.5 km2) of the Seychelles, lying 44 km (27 mi) northeast of Mahé. Praslin has a population of around 7,533 people and comprises two administrative districts: Baie Sainte Anne and Grand' Anse. The main settlements are the Baie Ste Anne, Anse Volbert and Grand' Anse.

Apparently, the main income is from tourism.
 
If the lead-out energy flying saucer were developed in Seychelles, what will happen...

Let us put on the global think tank hat and see what can be done.
1.   Seychelles has a small population of less than 100,000.  It has over 110 islands.  The GDP per capita is over USD24,000.  That is higher than that of China.
2.   It is very tempting to sit back and enjoy a relaxing life style.  Food security is assured with the abundance of natural resource especially seafood.  Let the tourism income provide other resources not produced locally.
3.   In this Internet World, the population will be exposed to the outside.  How should a think tank advise them to interact?
4.   The computer systems can provide remote monitoring.  For example, a manager in a MacDonald restaurant can check on-line the state of the business.  Some organizations also have webcam type devices to see the actual happenings.  Can Seychelles work with other International Chains to co-invest and manage different businesses?
5.   Will Mutual Credit arrangements with China or other Nations help?  Any chance of turning Seychelles into a special conference center for some events?  Can the academics work with other Universities to do staff and student exchanges?Tra
6.   Any chance of working on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers?

***travelling between Islands on Flying Saucers is easy.  Is it worth the investigation effort?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 13, 2016, 11:09:53 PM
Let us put on the global think tank hat and see what can be done.
1.   Seychelles has a small population of less than 100,000.  It has over 110 islands.  The GDP per capita is over USD24,000.  That is higher than that of China.
2.   It is very tempting to sit back and enjoy a relaxing life style.  Food security is assured with the abundance of natural resource especially seafood.  Let the tourism income provide other resources not produced locally.
3.   In this Internet World, the population will be exposed to the outside.  How should a think tank advise them to interact?
4.   The computer systems can provide remote monitoring.  For example, a manager in a MacDonald restaurant can check on-line the state of the business.  Some organizations also have webcam type devices to see the actual happenings.  Can Seychelles work with other International Chains to co-invest and manage different businesses?
5.   Will Mutual Credit arrangements with China or other Nations help?  Any chance of turning Seychelles into a special conference center for some events?  Can the academics work with other Universities to do staff and student exchanges?Tra
6.   Any chance of working on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers?

***travelling between Islands on Flying Saucers is easy.  Is it worth the investigation effort?
In 1971, with the opening of Seychelles International Airport, tourism became a significant industry, essentially dividing the economy into plantations and tourism. The tourism sector paid better, and the plantation economy could only expand so far. The plantation sector of the economy declined in prominence, and tourism became the primary industry of Seychelles.

In recent years the government has encouraged foreign investment to upgrade hotels and other services. These incentives have given rise to an enormous amount of investment in real estate projects and new resort properties, such as project TIME, distributed by the World Bank, along with its predecessor project MAGIC.[citation needed] Despite its growth, the vulnerability of the tourist sector was illustrated by the sharp drop in 1991–1992 due largely to the Gulf War.[29]

Since then the government has moved to reduce the dependence on tourism by promoting the development of farming, fishing, small-scale manufacturing and most recently the offshore financial sector, through the establishment of the Financial Services Authority and the enactment of several pieces of legislation (such as the International Corporate Service Providers Act, the International Business Companies Act, the Securities Act, the Mutual Funds and Hedge Fund Act, amongst others).

During March 2015, Seychelles allocated Assumption island to be developed by India.[30]

***Seychelles can easily attract the Interest of China to develop another Island.  That Island can be an integrated farming, fishery, industry, academic and research facility.  Conventional boat construction will be of immediate interest.  Flying Saucers...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: seychelles on May 13, 2016, 11:18:18 PM
OK itseung Here is a video of a grvity power machine ,does it work and if it does let us build it..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIRaJlTD4Y&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: seychelles on May 13, 2016, 11:19:37 PM
i will chip in 100 us dollars..
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 14, 2016, 08:15:07 PM
Role of Think Tank for the World.

One World, One Dream.

Which Think Tank will have that vision? 
Which Think Tank will go beyond its National Interests? 
Which Think Tank will not be influenced by funding? 
Which Think Tank will have the respect of the elite and the masses?


If the Think Tank can advocate the Lead-out Energy Paradigm...
If the Think Tank can design an UFO...
If the Think Tank can come up with 5 year plans for many developing nations...
If the Think Tank can give the glory and reward to others...
If the Think Tank has no power and no resources to implement any of the proposals...

Fung wheel is now rotating.  It will take more effort to put in the control, monitoring and testing components. The final prototype including the cheap DSO, DC power supply etc. cost less than USD3,000.  Brain power and labor were not included.

Lee and Tseung had the lead-out energy theory in early 2000.  Laing and Wang had the car and all magnet motor.  Tsinghua University had the Energy Multiplier.  Andrew Wong of Yuen Fat had the 225 pulse motor in 2006.  Milkovic had his two stage pendulum leading-out gravitational energy well before that.  Chan Wheel showed that the unbalanced wheel is superior to the pendulum.

Many others had their contributions.  Much is documented in the e-book of Patrick Kelly.  USA and China tried to suppress the technology.

We shall now promote the new "Wealth of Nations" - if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should make other Nations rich.  Any Nation that can spend USD3,000 on research can master the lead-out energy technology if they have engineers who can read reply 1 of this thread.

May the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer bring prosperity and peace to all mankind...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 14, 2016, 08:34:41 PM
i will chip in 100 us dollars..

Talk to your Government Officials.  Let them know that the initial research cost of the lead-out energy flying saucer is now only USD3,000.  You alone have contribute some percentage.  The William Skinner device leads out gravitational energy but it will not fly.

If Seychelles announces and demonstrates a working prototype of lead-out energy flying saucer first, what is likely to happen?
 
In Hong Kong, China and USA, we suffer from "obvious and non-obvious" political pressure not to announce such a technology.  Seychelles does not have such pressure...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 15, 2016, 07:46:01 PM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3166.msg55267#msg55267

Will one or more African Nations research and demonstrate the lead-out energy flying saucer first?  Will the announcement spark the start of the new paradigm?  Will China and USA then release the top secret technology to benefit all?

The late Lee Cheung Kin may rest peacefully in his grave.  I shall have no regrets joining him...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 18, 2016, 12:44:11 AM
The Bill Fung Project Update.

Co-ordination from Senior Citizens not perfect.

1.  Design done (reply 1 of this thread)
2.  Vertical repulsion of magnet by coil done.
3.  Waveform at leading edge of the pulse showed positive Current and Negative Voltage.  This indicates plausible lead-out energy.(see pdf)
4.  Circular motor on Unbalanced Wheel can be maintained if properly pulsed.

Theory correctly pointed to right direction.  More engineering needed.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 18, 2016, 03:06:01 PM
If the lead-out energy flying saucer design is a realty, what will happen?

Lee Cheung Kin will get the honor he deserved.  Hong Kong will become the Mecca of Innovation.  China will get rich via getting other Nations rich.

Developing Nations will get developed within one generation.  Humans may join the Aliens in exploring the universe...

The Bill Fung project points to the plausibility.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 22, 2016, 12:49:37 PM
ufo news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKmwcvsELpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Q20tz8iDw

If China already mastered the UFO technology, Will USA and Russia be far behind?  The design in reply 1 of this thread is simple.  The magnet coil repulsion waveform indicated lead-out energy.  Fung wheel is rotating.

No more enemies.  No more conquests...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 22, 2016, 10:30:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Q20tz8iDw

If China already mastered the UFO technology, Will USA and Russia be far behind?  The design in reply 1 of this thread is simple.  The magnet coil repulsion waveform indicated lead-out energy.  Fung wheel is rotating.

No more enemies.  No more conquests...
Can the UFO be Russian built?

The coil and magnet repulsion waveform shows lead-out energy.  Centrifugal force difference gives net thrust.

All the physics needed is here...  Study reply 1 again...



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 23, 2016, 09:28:52 PM
The Bill Fung Project Update.

Co-ordination from Senior Citizens not perfect.

1.  Design done (reply 1 of this thread)
2.  Vertical repulsion of magnet by coil done.
3.  Waveform at leading edge of the pulse showed positive Current and Negative Voltage.  This indicates plausible lead-out energy.(see pdf)
4.  Circular motor on Unbalanced Wheel can be maintained if properly pulsed.

Theory correctly pointed to right direction.  More engineering needed.


pulsing control can be achieved via
1. reed switch as in Newman motor
2. proximity switch as in Tong wheel
3. optical sensor as proposed in Fung wheel.

The cost of such switches are in the order of a few US dollars.  They should provide more reliable performance than humans.  DSO results will be more accurate.

Top Chinese, US or Russian scientists can do better...  Have they built UFOs?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 24, 2016, 11:38:29 PM

pulsing control can be achieved via
1. reed switch as in Newman motor
2. proximity switch as in Tong wheel
3. optical sensor as proposed in Fung wheel.

The cost of such switches are in the order of a few US dollars.  They should provide more reliable performance than humans.  DSO results will be more accurate.

Top Chinese, US or Russian scientists can do better...  Have they built UFOs?

The initial research cost of UFO is thousands of dollars.  The benefits are in trillions.  Does it make sense for a Nation to invest in such a technology?

The Physics is clear.  Can the engineering difficulties be overcome?

The main worry may be politics... 

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 25, 2016, 04:35:03 AM

The initial research cost of UFO is thousands of dollars.  The benefits are in trillions.  Does it make sense for a Nation to invest in such a technology?

The Physics is clear.  Can the engineering difficulties be overcome?

Clean, abundant energy
Travel anywhere including outer space
Dive under the ocean if desired
Get rich together with other nations

Reply 1 of this thread is worth more study.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 25, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
Discussion with an Engineer.
1.  A simple pendulum needs to overcome air resistance and the friction at the pivot.  That can be very small.  We can easily achieve 99% efficiency.
2.  If the simple pendulum is connected to a seesaw in the Milkovic 2SO fashion, the up and down motion of the weight is automatically maintained.
3.  The maintaining of the up and down motion is NOT via static forces but via the centrifugal force.  Please study the Raymond Head video 6 very carefully.  The weight is lifted twice for every finger push.
4.  The centrifugal force mechanism is "free" by the pendulum swinging motion.  So long as the pendulum swinging motion is maintained, the up and down motion of the weight is also maintained.
5.  The up and down motion of the weight can be used to do work - such as producing the loud bang, crash nuts or pump water.  In the Raymond Head video, the pendulum swings back almost to its original position.  The up and down motion  of the weight produced the loud bang and must have done some work.
6.  One possible explanation is that gravitational energy has been led-out in the process.
7.  The simple pendulum is not very efficient as the energy led-out is occurs at the highest centrifugal force position.  Or when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position.
8.  We can improve the Milkovic 2SO by replacing the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel - the Chan wheel.  The rotational speed can be increased and more gravitational energy can be led-in.
9.  We can further improve the Chan Wheel with Cylinder.  A Cylinder can be thought of as many wheels put together side-by-side.
10.  We can further improve the mechanism via leading out of electromagnetic energy.  A ferromagnetic magnetic material can be thought of as many tiny magnets arranged in random when there is no electric current.  If DC current is passed, these tiny magnets can be aligned to produce a large magnetic field. 
11.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier leads out both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  The Output can be 30 times Input.
12.  UFOs are flying.  Some of these UFOs are made in China or in USA.
Engineer: “The Bill Fung project is doomed to fail.  The construction will not stand the high rpm.  You need at least 800 rpm to show the difference in centrifugal force.  The unbalanced weight is the magnet that has insufficient mass.  The diameter of the wheel is too small.”

Fung: “My purpose is to further illustrate the design in reply 1.  It gives me something to think about.”

Engineer: “There is no point in doing an experiment if it cannot fulfill its goal.”

Tseung: “Research has its surprises.  We did not foresee the leading edge shape in the coil and magnet experiment.  That can be interpreted as a clear indication of lead-out energy.”

Fung: “I shall spend my time between USA and Hong Kong.  At our age, we do not demand success.  My goal is to enjoy life and contribute whatever I can.”

Tseung: “UFOs from China, USA and Russia etc. are flying.  My goal is not to build an UFO.  My goal is to get more scientists and engineers to realize that Humans can build UFOs.  Wealth of Nations can be via knowledge.  Knowledge has the property that the more you share, the more you will have.  A Nation can get rich and maintain the wealth via getting other Nations rich.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 26, 2016, 05:23:04 AM
Discussion at a clinic when some friends met Tseung at an eye clinic.

Friend 1: “I saw the old lady video.  You should find somebody better.”

Friend 2: “It is actually very good.  Any viewer can say that he can do better.”

Tseung: “I am trying to find somebody now.  Can you recommend any?”

Friend 1: “Do you know that you can make someone really famous and wealthy if your UFO technology actually works?  You can even make a Nation wealthy.”

Newton made England rich with his Laws of Motion that laid the foundation of Science.  The Lee-Tseung theory will bring out almost inexhaustible energy and foundation to travel to Space.

Friend 2: “Will anyone risk his/her reputation or time to work with you?”

Friend 1: “Find someone with nothing to lose…”

Tseung: “Good idea.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 26, 2016, 12:55:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQG4YDqwWD0

Reed switch tutorial
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2016, 01:33:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQG4YDqwWD0

Reed switch tutorial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCriICVZqXM

more example...

I recommend the inventors to use DSO and examine the waveforms.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2016, 01:43:34 AM
Bill Fung will be back to USA this weekend.  He may come to Hong Kong again end of the year.

Attached is the latest presentation including his work.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2016, 07:57:01 AM
https://youtu.be/xvLma_U4iV8

Fung Wheel rotation by Ruby.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2016, 08:05:36 AM
https://youtu.be/9RJuiPDHWP0

Fung Wheel rotation.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 28, 2016, 09:23:56 AM
https://youtu.be/WP02mZ7N-EM

Fung wheel rotation with the appearance of negative voltage.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 28, 2016, 11:51:36 PM
To summarize:

In the Bill Fung Project, we have detected Negative Energy in the magnet coil repulsion both in the linear and the circular motion cases.  The quantity is large enough to be measureable.  This Negative Energy is the Lead-out energy that scientists are looking for.

It is a matter of improving such lead-out mechanisms to enable usable devices.  China, USA, Russia, etc. must have mastered such UFO technology.  They are keeping it as top military secret.

We have to convince those in power that a Nation can get rich and remain so by getting other Nations rich.  There is no need for Military Superiority.  It is a difficult task. But is it more difficult than designing the lead-out energy flying saucer?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 29, 2016, 09:36:18 PM
@seychelles

Have you talk to your government yet?

The lead-out energy waveform can be produced in both the linear and circular cases.

If we supply 100 units of energy to lead-out 10 units, the total effective Input Energy is 110 units.

Think about the implications...

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 01, 2016, 10:31:54 AM
https://youtu.be/Aio07RhTf7c

Wallace Wong master the pulsing technique.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: John.K1 on June 01, 2016, 07:51:48 PM
Itseung, I didn't get it. What is so special on pulse motor?? It looks like Adam's motor. Why don't you put just hall sensor and let it go.  And on the scope just BEMF  :)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 01, 2016, 11:12:35 PM
Itseung, I didn't get it. What is so special on pulse motor?? It looks like Adam's motor. Why don't you put just hall sensor and let it go.  And on the scope just BEMF  :)

What you refer to as  BEMF can be treated as the negative energy.  In my terminology, it represents the Lead-out energy.  The full pulse represents the energy supplied.  That pulse can be shortened.  The BEMF can be increased both in magnitude and duration.  It can be changed by varying supplied current, magnet, shape, etc.

The DSO display and analysis is of great help to the engineering improvements.  We are not just interested in rotating the wheel.  We want to get the shortest pulse and the best BEMF.
 
*** Note that the waveform on reply 523 showed BEMF on both leading and trailing edge of pulse.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 02, 2016, 04:04:53 AM
What you refer to as  BEMF can be treated as the negative energy.  In my terminology, it represents the Lead-out energy.  The full pulse represents the energy supplied.  That pulse can be shortened.  The BEMF can be increased both in magnitude and duration.  It can be changed by varying supplied current, magnet, shape, etc.

The DSO display and analysis is of great help to the engineering improvements.  We are not just interested in rotating the wheel.  We want to get the shortest pulse and the best BEMF.

What would have happened if the pulse motor researchers used the DSO in their research?  Would they have detected the negative energy?  Would they have shortened their pulses?  Would they have optimized their BEMF?

The significance of the Fung Wheel is NOT another pulse motor.  It shows a correct scientific research path...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 03, 2016, 08:14:24 PM
Some remarked to me that marketing people are most creative in promotion.  What needs promoting are the Lead-out energy flying saucer paradigm and the new concept of Wealth of Nations.

I have sent out the following to many agencies in Hong Kong.  It is intended for all creative marketing people worldwide.

Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

Dear Sir/Madam,

This is the first time we contact an Advertising Agency.  We want to promote a new paradigm that will benefit the entire Human Race.  It is the lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.   A demonstration can be arranged in Wan Chai.

If you can understand the attached information and would like to participate, please email me back.  A successful job will bring your Company to the pinnacle of the Advertising World.

Lawrence Tseung


One of the most creative comments I got was - help North Korea to build an UFO...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 03, 2016, 08:41:33 PM
A researcher can gain much information from Patrick Kelly’s
E-book.  The section on pulse motor such as ADAMS MOTOR
is most useful.

The Fung Wheel adds the Net Thrust element.
 
The Chinese Engineers took two months to build the Nanjing UFO in 2006?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 04, 2016, 08:18:39 AM
https://youtu.be/An5-U9lLdFo

May worked on pulsing the Fung Wheel.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 04, 2016, 08:50:40 AM
There are good pulses and bad pulses.

It is easy to demonstrate with the Fung Wheel.  If pressed too early, the repulsion will slow down the rotation.  If too late, little energy is given.  The surprising thing is that - some pulses showed negative voltage at both leading and trailing edges.

Without the DSO, how can a researcher be confident that he has generated the best pulses.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 04, 2016, 09:19:34 AM
The same waveforms as reply 530 but with color inverted.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 06, 2016, 02:57:55 AM
http://overunity.com/16645/reviewing-pulse-motor-circuit-ideas-and-theory/msg485820/#msg485820

The above thread is worth reading.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 06, 2016, 03:11:29 AM
http://overunity.com/16645/reviewing-pulse-motor-circuit-ideas-and-theory/msg485820/#msg485820

The above thread is worth reading.

At the Upcycling Center in Wan Chai, there will be a sign:

Win a Prize
Pulse Rotate the Fung Wheel 10 times
Capture the Negative Voltage Waveform
Lead-out Energy to benefit the World!

*** Any one who can achieve that can win a small prize (one a day)
The best will have his/her picture displayed with the Waveform.
Anyone who can beat the best will be the new Champion.
The final Champion (in a Show) will get cash prize not less than HK$10,000
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 07, 2016, 07:52:53 PM
One senior citizen asked: "Can you build a flying saucer at the Upcycling Center?"

The goal is to share knowledge.  There is no point in bringing the knowledge into the grave...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 08, 2016, 02:39:34 PM
Input power supply set at 5 volts.

The pulsed negative voltage reached  -580 V.

We shall try to get the best results. Bill Fung is back at US.  Actual development work on the Fung Wheel is likely to be suspended.
 
*** Negative energy or Lead-out energy at the leading edge cannot be ignored...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 09, 2016, 04:33:49 AM
Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Paradigm

Dear All,

We shall have a presentation and brainstorming session on the Lead-out Energy flying saucer paradigm on July 4 (Monday) from 2 – 5 pm at the St. James Settlement and Jockey Club Upcycling Center in Wan Chai.   Address: 6th Floor, No. 85 Stone Nullah Lane, Wanchai, Hong Kong

The agenda will be:
1.    Introduction to Lead-out Energy flying saucer
2.   Demonstration of Lead–out Energy using the Fung Wheel
3.   The many reported UFO sightings
4.   A Nation gets rich by helping others to get rich
5.   Break…
6.   For those interested, do a brainstorming session on how best to proceed

If you are interested in attending, please pm ltseung888.  You are welcome to bring your friends or colleagues.  There will be a small prize if you can pulse rotate the Fung wheel for 10 consecutive revolutions.  The best will be invited to a competition later with a prize not less than HK$10,000.

Meanwhile study the attached presentation (reply 517) and go to the overunity.com forum.  Search using the keywords “ufo propu”.  You are encouraged to share the information with others.

http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg485700/#msg485700

Regards,
Lawrence Tseung
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 10, 2016, 12:18:09 PM
Mr. T S Lau pulsed a 5V input to 408V Output.  He could set up the circuit...

*** The significant part is that the pulsed output voltage is negative while the output current is positive.  The Product gave Negative Power.  That Negative  Power over the Leading edge of approximately 2ms gave Negative Energy.

***I regard that Negative Energy as proof of Lead-out Energy. 

The proper design of the Lead-out energy pulse motor is to get the most Lead-out Energy per pulse...

The Fung Wheel is nowhere near optimum but it showed proof of concept.

*** There are many ways to pulse rotate the Fung Wheel.  The trick is to find the ones that lead-out most negative energy.  Mr. Bill Fung et al will have fun.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 11, 2016, 07:33:36 AM
Output waveform.

Use the one ohm resistor as load.  Hand spin the wheel.  The AC type waveform is produced.

The rotating magnet induces voltage and Current across the coil.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 12, 2016, 09:44:06 PM
Review of the Fung Wheel as of Jun 13, 2016

1.   The Fung Wheel used magnet and coil repulsion to pulse rotate an unbalanced wheel mounted vertically.  One coil and one magnet was used.
2.   The leading edge of the pulse showed a large BEMF or Negative Voltage.  The current was still positive.  An example was a 5 Volt DC Input produced a Negative Voltage of -580 Volts.  This produced negative power and hence negative energy for a duration of less than 2ms.
3.   This Negative Energy was regarded as the Lead-out Energy.  One of the criticism of the Lee-Tseung Lead-out Energy Theory was – could you demonstrate and measure Lead-out Energy?
4.   The DSO waveforms were clear indications of the existence of Lead-out Energy.
5.   The Milkovic Two Stage Pendulum leads-out gravitational energy.  The unbalanced wheel is effectively an improved pendulum in leading-out gravitational energy.
6.   The soft iron core of the coil in the Fung Wheel can be thought of as consisting of many tiny magnets arranged at random. The pulsed DC voltage aligns such tiny magnets momentarily.  This leads-out the large magnetic flux or magnetic energy.
7.   Thus the Fung Wheel could be considered as leading out both gravitational and magnetic energy.

So far, Mr. Bill Fung has not come up  with the pulsing mechanism that will produce the large amount of lead-out energy that can be usefully harvested.  However, the 225 Horse Power Pulse Motor with 135 (15x9) magnets invented in USA and funded by Hong Kong achieved that over 10 years ago.

The producing higher angular velocity at the top side of the circle is simple.  The rumor that the Chinese Military Researchers produced the Nanjing UFO within 2 months in 2006 may be a fact.  It should not take long for most Nations to produce their experimental UFOs.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 14, 2016, 07:43:22 AM
Fung Wheel placed horizontally.

Negative voltage approximately one third less.

In our configuration, one third of lead-out energy is due to gravity.  Two thirds electromagnetic...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 14, 2016, 07:56:47 AM
Fung Wheel placed horizontally.

Negative voltage approximately one third less.

In our configuration, one third of lead-out energy is due to gravity.  Two thirds electromagnetic...

Waveform...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 17, 2016, 12:22:14 PM
Joanna from USA
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 18, 2016, 10:08:27 AM
Brainstorming session on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

Principle behind Brainstorming:
1.    Let every idea have a chance no matter how crazy it seems.
2.   When an idea is selected for discussion, first, everyone must support.  Then everyone must object.
3.   Senior managers must not throw their weight behind any idea.  Some ideas can be randomly picked up from a pile of suggestion papers.

Some ideas that came up in the first brainstorm session.
1.   Get North Korea to build an UFO.
2.   Link FLEET to Powerwall.
3.   Help an African Nation to demonstrate an UFO.
4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF.
5.   Challenge the academics.
6.   Find the 225 HP Pulse Motor and promote.
7.   Find the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier and promote.
8.   Find the Wang magnetic motor and promote.
9.   Find the Laing car and promote.
10.   Get Hong Kong to host a free energy event.
11.   Promote the Fung Wheel.
12.   Get others to develop and build products.
13.   Mass Email.
14.   Contact Chinese Military.
15.   Contact USA Military.
16.   Worldwide competition via the Fung Wheel.
17.   Join Inventor shows.
18.   Contact United Nations.
19.   Contact the second or third generation wealthy.
20.   Sow seeds and lay back.
21.   Write in Forums or Youtube video comments.
22.   Facebook, Twitter.
23.   Email politicians.
24.   Student Competitions.
25.   Get to the hungry for fame.
26.   Get to those with nothing to lose.
27.   Stir up controversy – claim that you have designed an UFO.
28.   Join the “free Energy” researchers.
29.   Build the UFO.
30.   Turn it into an election issue.

*** The detailed discussions will also be available in reply 72
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55786#msg55786

I have moderator privileges there and making changes are easier.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 21, 2016, 02:47:24 PM
Someone directed me to Dr. Steven Greer website:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeXVsybEQPQ&list=PLnrEt2fIdZ0YTSsRDCse8EH0uVfGiHLsZ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeXVsybEQPQ&list=PLnrEt2fIdZ0YTSsRDCse8EH0uVfGiHLsZ)


My response was:


1.  I do not need to get any funding.
2.  I do not need to win any prizes.
3.  The waveform from the Fung Wheel clearly showed Negative Energy or Lead-out Energy.
4.  Any top scientists or engineers can now produce good pulses that lead-out energy.
5.  My job is to sow seeds.  The seedlings can now be seen.
6.  Man-made UFOs are flying.  The Design in reply 1 is scientifically sound.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 21, 2016, 07:42:08 PM
2. Link FLEET to Powerwall


The attached is the 1KW unit produced by Apache Ong in 2012.  Apache now works for Tesla Motors.


The unit used joule thief circuit principle with capacitors to create resonance.  The unit not only stores charges but also brings-in electromagnetic energy from the surrounding.



The unit can be charged via solar or other means.  There is adjustment or tuning according to load to get to the best resonance condition.


With Apache,  Tesla Motors is likely to develop a car that will fly.  Apache knows the Lead-out Energy theory very well.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 22, 2016, 11:17:51 PM
2. Link FLEET to Powerwall

One of the experiments during the development was:

Examine the waveforms of the Input and Output.  Determine whether there is extra energy coming in. Are there resonance or sweet spot conditions?

Apache Ong et al went for more powerful transistors and more complex circuits.  In Hong Kong, one group I got involved stayed back with the simple Joule Thief circuits.  The winner...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3sSus1-B4

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 23, 2016, 01:52:07 AM
2. Link FLEET to Powerwall

The best loads for resonance circuits are constant.  One application is the pumping of water from South to North in China.  We can add another twist.  We can add the use of kinetic energy of still air. If the pumping system pumps water plus air, less power will pump water to a greater height.  The water coming out gets colder. 

We do not need to worry about water hammering in such dedicated applications.



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 23, 2016, 12:53:20 PM
2.  Link FLEET to Powerwall


Can the resonance technology be applied to Solar Farms?


Can the Fung Wheel technology be used on Solar Farms?


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 23, 2016, 08:42:09 PM
3.   Help an African Nation to demonstrate an UFO

Once an African Nation demonstrates an UFO, USA and China will have little choice but to disclose their much more developed and advanced technology.  There will not be any point in keeping the technology as top military secret.  The chance of using this technology to benefit the World will be high.


Almost any physicist can understand reply 1 of this thread.  Building the Fung Wheel and examining the waveform with an oscilloscope should not be a problem.  It will then be selecting the pulsing mechanism with the help of the oscilloscope.


We sow seeds here.  There is still much hard work in irrigation, weeding, harvesting etc...


The UFO technology covers the two fields of energy and transportation.  Any success will boost the confidence of the Nation.  The learning and inventing process will be extremely beneficial.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 23, 2016, 09:12:12 PM
3.   Help an African Nation to demonstrate an UFO

Let us do a brainstorm session.

First - the supporting comments.


1.  African Nations are willing and eager to discover and work on something new that can beat the advanced Nations.
2.  No one will accuse the African Nations as attempting to dominate the World and repeat colonialism.
3.  There will be no government suppression or sabotage.   There is no question of National security being threatened.
4.  There is no reputation to be lost in working on something controversial.  It is like our situation - no one expects retired, sick, old men with little resources to succeed in anything.
5.  The researchers are likely to be "left alone" with no men in black bordering.
6.  We already know people from the African Nations reading and posting on this thread.[/size]7.  African Nations now look at the Chinese economic model for inspiration.8.  As one marketing person put it: "Your technology is very simple.  One negative voltage waveform and the King David sling technology.  China built the Nanjing UFO in 2 months in 2006."

*** The detailed discussions will also be available from reply 72


http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55786#msg55786 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55786#msg55786)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 25, 2016, 11:32:49 AM
Fung Wheel placed horizontally.

Negative voltage approximately one third less.

In our configuration, one third of lead-out energy is due to gravity.  Two thirds electromagnetic...


If we attach an unbalanced wheel to the shaft of the motor in a QMOGEN configuration, we are likely to detect lead-out energy.  This is the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 25, 2016, 12:45:36 PM
4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF.

The appearance of the large negative voltage occurred both in straight line coil and magnetic repulsion and also circular situations.

The current (voltage across a one resistor) is positive while the sharp voltage spike is negative. This gives negative power.  When applied to the one or two millisecond interval, we get negative energy.

I treat this as evidence of lead-out energy.

The trick is to increase this while minimizing the supplied DC pulse.  For short pulses, we actually captured such negative voltage at both the leading and trailing edges...

Such an experiment can be repeated easily worldwide - just add an oscilloscope.


*** I am pretty sure the Chinese Military Engineers did that in 2006 and developed the Nanjing UFO.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 25, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
Fung Wheel placed horizontally.

Negative voltage approximately one third less.

In our configuration, one third of lead-out energy is due to gravity.  Two thirds electromagnetic...


4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF

If gravitational energy can be led-out via the unbalanced Fung Wheel and confirmed from  the vertical and horizontal placement of the Fung wheel.  Scientists must look at the Milkovic 2SO again. (reply 540, 541)


Gravitational energy is everywhere including outer space.  We can say that we are immersed in such energy.  If we can use such energy, we do not need fossil fuel.  If we can use gravitational energy via the pendulum, we must be able to use electromagnetic energy via a magnetic pendulum and artificial magnetic or electromagnetic fields.  The unbalanced wheel will be more efficient than the pendulum.


Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory will become the basis of the man-made UFO.  Can the USA or Chinese Military keep this UFO technology as top secret for long???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 26, 2016, 01:21:58 AM
4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF


Received the following email.

sspdcadm@sspdc.had.gov.hk

To   'Lawrence Tseung' Jun 24 at 12:18 PM

Dear Lawrence,

Your e-mail dated 12 June is well-received.  Your case has been forwarded to all members of Sham Shui Po District Council for information. Thank you for your interest in district matters.

Regards,

Miss Jennifer CHEUNG
for the Secretary of SSPDC
       
*** Sham Shui Po District is an older and poorer district of Hong Kong.  It is world famous for selling cheap computer parts and accessories.  If we have a Fung Wheel demonstrated there with competition to get the largest negative energy (lead-out energy),  we are likely to get good publicity.

Anyone who can pulse rotate the Fung wheel 10 times can get a small prize.  That can be donated by merchants who want to promote their name or products.  The best winner at the time will have his/her picture displayed with the pulsed negative voltage.  He/she will have a chance to compete to earn the >HK$10,000 prize.

We can also get students and engineers to compete to actually build a Fung Wheel or even an UFO.  That may be a World-wide challenge.  Most of the parts may be purchased in Sham Shui Po District.  Sham Shui Po District may become one of the richest in Hong Kong or the World with thousands buying UFO parts...


(I was born in that district!)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 26, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
4.  Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF

One possible intermediate step is to use the BEMF as engine to drive trains or ships.  No need to fly up immediately.

Some people will call this as pulse engine efficiency.  That is fine.  Science moves ahead no matter how people call it.

My approach is to examine the Milkovic 2SO and see that it does lead-out gravitational energy.  This was first proposed to me by the Late Lee Cheung Kin.  We can then focus on the Fung Wheel - leading out both gravitational energy and electromagnetic energy.

The waveforms in the horizontal and vertical positions will teach us a lot...


The high speed trains in China may benefit first with this approach.  People feel safer on the ground.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 26, 2016, 01:36:13 PM
http://overunity.com/16589/mhs-ideal-coil-and-voltage-question/new/#new (http://overunity.com/16589/mhs-ideal-coil-and-voltage-question/new/#new)

There is intense discussion going on in the above thread.  The question of BEMF and related issues were raised.  Sooner or later, someone will produce the waveforms.  Some of these waveforms will be similar to those in this thread...

The most important part is the high negative voltage and positive current giving negative power over the leading edge of the pulse.  That represents negative energy.

Can that negative energy be interpreted as bringing in electromagnetic energy from the environment?

When we place the Fung wheel horizontally, we get less negative voltage.  Can we interpret that as less gravitational energy was brought in?

If we can bring in gravitational energy, should we re-examine the Milkovic 2SO.

China and USA Military have mastered that long ago.  Man made UFOs are flying.


China is still using conventional rocket technology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXJOQtECsGw


It will not be long when the new UFO technology is used...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 30, 2016, 02:42:32 PM
Someone questioned the validity of the Fung Wheel.  At overunityresearch.com, someone proposed to ban my posting.

The Fung wheel is the beginning of the design of the ninth version of the Flying Saucer.

The diagram is reproduced here.

The details are in the overunity.com "ufo propu" thread starting in reply 1.

What is so special about the Fung Wheel is that it is a combination of the following concepts.

1.  Leading out of gravitational energy.
2.  Leading out of electromagnetic energy.
3.  Unbalanced Wheel replacing the pendulum.
4.  Net thrust produced via the difference in Centrifugal Forces.
5.  The capturing of the Negative Voltage waveform on the leading edge of the pulse.

I shall explain each in more detail..

1.  Leading out of gravitational energy.
The Milkovic 2SO showed that the seesaw action is created by the centrifugal force of the pendulum.  When the pendulum is at the lowest position, its velocity is highest.  That gives rise to the highest centrifugal force.  The Rhead video 5 clearly showed that the weight on the LHS was lifted at the moment of the lowest position of the pendulum.  The lifting of the weight did not significantly lower the amplitude of the pendulum.  Where does the energy come from?  My interpretation is that it comes from gravity.  The Fung Wheel gave us confirmation.

When we measure the waveforms of the Fung Wheel in the Vertical and in the Horizontal positions, we found that the Vertical position gave about one-third more.  In the vertical position, the Fung Wheel essentially replaced the pendulum action with that of the rotation of an unbalanced wheel.

2.  Leading out of electromagnetic energy. 
We know that ferrite material can be thought of as consisting of many tiny magnets arranged at random.  When DC Current is passed to magnetize it, these tiny magnets align to become a large magnet.  The question is that whether the electrical energy used to magnetize the ferrite material E1 can be smaller than the resulting magnetic energy E2.  The first experiment we did was straight line coil and magnet repulsion.  At Hong Kong University, one experiment was tried.  One 130 turn coil was used to repel one circular magnet.  The electrical Energy Input was measured on a DSO.  The output Energy was taken to be the potential energy of the resultant jump (mgh).  The result was a disappointing COP of 0.06 or 6%. The researcher gave up!

We took the equipment back from Hong Kong University.  The number of turns was increased to 600.  The number of magnets were increase to 4.  The COP increased to 0.3 or 30%.  The Input Pulse was carefully examined.  The duration of the Pulse is actually dependent on how long the researcher pressed the button.  It could vary from 100ms to many seconds (if the researcher did not release the button).  The COP=0.3 was obtained with the Pulse Time of around 200ms.

The question of whether we could reduce the Pulse Time was raised.  If we could have a short pulse of 50ms, we might get COP greater than 1.  In playing with rapid pulses, we observed a sudden high negative voltage.  Initially, some remarked that it was just the normal BEMF as the duration was only 1-2ms.  But the current was positive while the voltage was negative.  That gave rise to negative power.  During those 1-2ms, we have negative energy.

I immediately took that as representing lead-out energy.  Mr. Bill Fung decided to build the circular Fung Wheel.  To our delight, we could observe very high negative voltage.  A 5 V DC Input can give a -580 V waveform. 

If the negative energy is indeed the lead-out energy, the 225 HP Pulse Motor developed in USA but funded by Hong Kong may be a reality.  (That device is considered top military secret in both USA and China after Lee Cheung Kin and I explained its operation at Tsinghua University in 2006.)

3.  Unbalanced Wheel replacing the pendulum
If the Milkovic 2SO can lead-out gravitational energy, a magnetic pendulum must be able to lead-out or bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy.  All we need is to replace the pendulum bob with a magnetic bob and place permanent magnets in appropriate places.  Gravitational forces are everywhere including outer space.  It will still be there if the object is cooled down to absolute zero degrees.  Some people call this zero point energy.

The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier used three unbalanced cylinders.  A cylinder can be considered as many wheels put together side-by-side.  Thus the fact that it can have COP of 30 is no surprise.

4.  Net thrust produced via the difference in Centrifugal Forces.
Some Christians told me that the principle was shown in the Bible.  King David killed the Giant Goliath with the sling.  We realized that this might be the reason for the top military secret.  A man-made UFO is possible.  Two months after our Tsinghua presentation, an UFO appeared over Nanjing...

5.  The capturing of the Negative Voltage waveform on the leading edge of the pulse.
We now have the Fung Wheel in Hong Kong clearly showing the large  negative voltage at the Leading Edge of the good pulses.  Some pulses even have the large negative voltage at both trailing and leading edges.  Most pulse motor researcher did not realize the importance of this negative voltage.  (A bad pulse can indeed rotate the wheel back!)  Manually built pulse wheels could easily have mixture of good pulses and bad pulses.  We now understand why the Tong Wheel was so difficult to tune...
 

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 30, 2016, 05:59:41 PM
Circuit diagram for the Fung Wheel

Be sure to connect to the DSO correctly.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 01, 2016, 04:24:51 PM
Repeat of the straight line repulsion case.
The important thing to note is that the Negative Voltage is clearly shown.

Is it lead-out energy?  Can the electrical input energy align the tiny magnets to produce the lead-out energy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 02, 2016, 10:29:31 AM
Circular repulsion via the Fung Wheel.

We learnt much from the manual pulsing of the Fung Wheel.

1.  The DC Power supply was set at 5V.  Higher setting did not necessarily lead to higher negative voltage.
2.  The timing of pressing the switch was very important.  It needed good co-ordination of eye and hand.  Lawrence Tseung got average of 3 consecutive rotations and the very best was 11.
3.  Most senior citizens (65 or over) could not get over 10 no matter how many times they tried.
4.  Most youngsters could get over 10 after a couple of tries.
5.  After success at over 10 revolutions, the focus was on getting the largest negative voltage as seen on the DSO.  One more criterion was the smallest pulse duration.

This is being developed into a competition.
1.  The general public will compete for the largest negative voltage with the existing Fung Wheel.
2.  The Students, Technicians and Engineers will compete on building a new Fung Wheel that has the highest COP.

It is unlikely that the contestants can beat the USA or Chinese Military Teams but the knowledge gained will benefit all...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 02, 2016, 11:57:05 AM
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If you can use gravitational energy continuously, you are effectively tapping into the essence of the Universe.  The entire universe has masses of different sizes.  They attract each other.  We, the Earth, the Sun are all attracted by other bodies from all sides.  We are effectively immersed in a sea of gravitational forces.  We are being pulled from all sides.  If the pull on one side is greater, the force can do work or provide energy.

What you are claiming is that the Milkovic 2SO can already use such energy.  UFO technology is not all that difficult.  The seesaw action of the Milkovic 2SO brings the unbalanced forces and energy into the system.  If the pendulum is replaced by an unbalanced wheel, the efficiency will be much higher.

If gravitational energy can be utilized this way, magnetic or electromagnetic energy can be brought in via magnetic pendulums or unbalanced magnetic wheels.

If it is this simple, why are we not seeing products...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 03, 2016, 07:12:39 PM
One comment:

If you can use gravitational energy continuously, you are effectively tapping into the essence of the Universe.  The entire universe has masses of different sizes.  They attract each other.  We, the Earth, the Sun are all attracted by other bodies from all sides.  We are effectively immersed in a sea of gravitational forces.  We are being pulled from all sides.  If the pull on one side is greater, the force can do work or provide energy.

What you are claiming is that the Milkovic 2SO can already use such energy.  UFO technology is not all that difficult.  The seesaw action of the Milkovic 2SO brings the unbalanced forces and energy into the system.  If the pendulum is replaced by an unbalanced wheel, the efficiency will be much higher.

If gravitational energy can be utilized this way, magnetic or electromagnetic energy can be brought in via magnetic pendulums or unbalanced magnetic wheels.

If it is this simple, why are we not seeing products...

If you read Patrick Kelly's e-book, you would find hundreds if not thousands of free energy inventions.

If you follow Sterling Allan's website, you would get information on dozens of free energy inventions.

My experience tells me that the ones trying to stop the commercialization of such inventions are the most powerful Governments - USA and China.  Both have the UFO technology.  Many UFOs are man-made.

Both Governments can stop any invention from commercialization.  All they need to do is to tell the inventors that the technology is of national security and offer some deals.  My experience was that the 225 HP Pulse Motor or the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier could have been developed for the Market over 10 years ago.  Instead, China developed the Nanjing UFO.

The Oil Cartel knows it and that is why the oil prices have dropped drastically.

My gut feel is that some small Nation will announce the UFO technology first...

*** If you read reply 545, you will find that Tesla Motors is selling the Powerwall.  That is a form of lead-out energy.  Apache Ong learned and improved the FLEET technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 04, 2016, 01:02:14 PM
Forever Yuen working on the Fung Wheel.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 05, 2016, 12:20:13 PM
https://youtu.be/wqblRcfHb6I

Wayne and Lau tried to get high negative voltage  on July 4, 2016.

Spin wheel fast but failed to get timing right...

*** Another classmate passed away.  Must not take the technology to my grave.  Get more Youth involved...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 09, 2016, 11:38:43 AM
Brainstorming session on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

Principle behind Brainstorming:
1.    Let every idea have a chance no matter how crazy it seems.
2.   When an idea is selected for discussion, first, everyone must support.  Then everyone must object.
3.   Senior managers must not throw their weight behind any idea.  Some ideas can be randomly picked up from a pile of suggestion papers.

Some ideas that came up in the first brainstorm session.
1.   Get North Korea to build an UFO.
2.   Link FLEET to Powerwall.
3.   Help an African Nation to demonstrate an UFO.
4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF.
5.   Challenge the academics.

5.   Challenge the academics.

The challenge is in two parts.

1.  If we can bring-in energy from the surrounding environment, there is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.

2.  We can continuously bring-in gravitational energy as demonstrated by the Milkovic 2SO.  The pendulum can be replaced by the unbalanced wheel for higher efficiency.  The Fung Wheel is an unbalanced wheel.  When pulse-rotated vertically, It will bring-in both gravitational energy and electromagnetic energy.  When pulse-rotated horizontally, it will bring-in only electromagnetic energy.

The Fung wheel can be reproduced easily.  The important thing is to examine the waveform with the oscilloscope.  The thing to look for is the high negative voltage at the leading edge of the pulse.  The challenge is to produce the largest negative voltage which gives rise to the largest lead-out energy.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2016, 10:33:50 AM
5.  Challenge the Academics

I still remember my first challenge to the academics in the early 1980s.

3.2  The meeting with the Nephew of a Chinese Official

Tseung had the chance to meet the nephew of a Chinese Official in Los Angeles.  In the 1980s, the young relatives of many Chinese Officials were sent to the USA to learn.  This particular nephew opened a store selling Chinese Economic Information.  Tseung was interested and spent many hours discussing various economic concepts.

The first example was the issue of increasing the money supply.  The nephew was complaining about the need to raise money to build a road.  He said that China was poor and needed to borrow money to build the road.  Tseung said, “It is total nonsense.  China can and should print money to build the road.  China already possesses the know-how to build the road.  Most of the materials are available within China.  China must print money to build the road.  Assume China prints 1 billion RMB to build the road.  After the road is built, the real asset or value of the road to China is at least 1 billion RMB.  The economic activities in building the road easily exceed 1 billion RMB.  The workers need to eat and have entertainment.  The printing and spending the 1 billion RMB can easily stimulate 4-5 billion RMB worth of meaningful economic activity.  If China does not increase its money supply, how can the Chinese people be wealthy?”

The nephew argued about the need to control inflation.  Tseung said, “It is a matter of adjusting the rate of currency increase to the rate of increase of meaningful economic activities.  Deficit spending is good and necessary if properly managed. A Country is different from an Individual.  It can increase the money supply.  Money is just a number in a trusted institution.  Such numbers can increase or decrease.  It can even be infinite.  However, one must not overdo it.  Otherwise, the supplier of goods may refuse to sell, hoping the price will increase in the near future.  Instead of stimulating economic growth, the excess printing of money may even retard the economy”.

The nephew was impressed.  They talked about the best housing policy for China.  Tseung said, “One way is to announce that China intends to rebuild City X every 50 years.  There can then be an estimate of how many new houses or old houses that need to be build or rebuilt annually.  The Government can help to guarantee loans for its Citizens.  This can be an important source of meaningful economic activity.  Modern Wealth is just the quality and quantity of meaningful economic activities”.

The nephew said, “Previously, I always thought that the kings or rulers were suckers.  They did not work but demanded the farmers to give a portion of their harvest.  The rulers provide protection from other rulers.  Now I understand that rulers are responsible for the coordination of the creation of meaningful economic activities.  They are the guardians of modern wealth.  It is a new role that few presidents or politicians understand.  I shall discuss it with my uncle.  You should write a book”.

*** The e-book is available with the title innovation.doc in
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.0

*** The reaction to my above concept.
It ranges from: "This is a blueprint that China or any Nation should follow." to "You are a complete idiot.  You do not know anything about economics.  You are now banned from our (senior citizen weekly) meetings."

*** On the Lee-Tseung Lead-out Energy Theory
From a retired electrical engineer who was also a classmate at Secondary school.  "You claim to have a degree in Physics.  You are working on the impossible Perpetual Motion Machine.  If you say anything like that in our gatherings, I shall be impolite and throw you out."

In overunityresearch.com, there is a thread titled - Banning ltseung888?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2016, 11:35:07 AM
5.  Challenge the Academics

The first example was the issue of increasing the money supply.   If China does not increase its money supply, how can the Chinese people be wealthy?”


If China now has the UFO technology, will China ever be poor again?

China can build modern housing complexes in its remote poor villages and say that these are "village hotels".  The villagers, as managers and staff, are entitled to live in them.  Should they be paid to maintain the high quality?  Can "government" or semi-government meetings be held there?

How much meaningful economic activities will be created?  Can every Chinese Family become "moderately wealthy" within 10 years?  Can China maintain a two digit GDP growth for the next 10 years?

The UFO technology will demand many more scientists, engineers, workers to fill many highly paid jobs...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: tagor on July 10, 2016, 02:16:38 PM
5.   Challenge the academics.


2.  We can continuously bring-in gravitational energy as demonstrated by the Milkovic 2SO. 

it is very easy :

1) you can proof OU with the Milkovic 2SO

2) there no selfrunner because the Milkovic 2SO is under 50% efficient
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2016, 03:19:33 PM
it is very easy :

1) you can proof OU with the Milkovic 2SO

2) there no selfrunner because the Milkovic 2SO is under 50% efficient

1.  The normal pendulum can be 99% efficient.
2.  The leading-out of gravitational energy only occurs when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position when its velocity is highest.  The leading-out of energy is not during the entire operation of the pendulum.
3.  The normal self-runner mechanisms are not efficient as the percentage of the lead-out energy is so short.
4.  One way is to replace the pendulum with the unbalanced wheel as in the Chan Wheel.  The unbalanced Chan Wheel can rotate much faster. 
5.  If the wheel is replaced with a cylinder, the efficiency will be even higher.  The cylinder can be considered as many wheels placed together.
6.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier uses three cylinders.  It leads-out both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  The claim is that 1 part of electrical energy input will give 30 units of output energy.
7.  In lead-out energy, there is often no direct link between Input and lead-out.  The analogy is like plunging a hole in a water tank.  The energy used to plunge the hole is not related to the energy obtainable from the water in the tank...

With the Fung Wheel, we just examine one pulse and see the waveform to check if there is lead-out energy. The experimental result showed the high Negative Voltage...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: tagor on July 10, 2016, 03:50:39 PM
1.  The normal pendulum can be 99% efficient.

no the normal  pendulum is 60% efficient.

and the 2SO is 0.6 x 0.6 under 50% efficient.
do you have a selfrunner ?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2016, 10:15:27 PM
no the normal  pendulum is 60% efficient.

and the 2SO is 0.6 x 0.6 under 50% efficient.
do you have a selfrunner ?

It is difficult to argue on the efficiency of a pendulum.  We can however say that the losses are due to air resistance and the friction at the pivot.  For a slow moving pendulum, the losses due to air resistance is small.  If the pivot mechanism is well designed, the loss will also be very small.

The seesaw action cannot be analyzed blindly with an efficiency factor.  In a playground, the seesaw action is maintained by the players leaning and rocking their bodies.  We can say that energy is supplied by the players.

With the Milkovic 2SO, the seesaw action is maintained by the momentary high centrifugal force plus the weight of pendulum bob.  The centrifugal force is not high enough in a low amplitude swing.  Please see the RHEAD100 video 5 again.  The seesaw action is maintained with a slight hand push only after the amplitude has reached a certain value. 

After that certain value, the seesaw action and the loud bang due to lifting of the weight can be maintained with ease.  That is the situation when I claim that gravitational energy is led-out or brought-in.  The loud bang, the lifting of the weight or the pumping of water is due to the led-out or brought-in gravitational energy.

We can see and measure such energy and the additional electromagnetic energy on the oscilloscope when we replace the pendulum with the unbalanced wheel and the pushing of the pendulum with the electric pulsing.  That is the Fung Wheel.

*** The USA and Chinese Military Engineers have already produced the UFOs.  My goal is to encourage a third Nation to announce and demonstrate the UFO technology so that USA and China will allow the commercialization of their much better developed UFO technology to benefit the World.

I am in Hong Kong - a Chinese City with Special Admin Privileges.  Have a UFO in my room without Government blessing is suicide.

*** If you are in USA, you would have been visited by men in black...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 11, 2016, 04:25:40 AM

We can see and measure such energy and the additional electromagnetic energy on the oscilloscope when we replace the pendulum with the unbalanced wheel and the pushing of the pendulum with the electric pulsing.  That is the Fung Wheel.


If we can lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy with the Milkovic 2SO type mechanism, we can lead-out or bring-in much more magnetic or electromagnetic energy.  The local electromagnetic field can be thousand times stronger than gravitational field.  There can be repulsion as well as attraction.  The direction can change.  The field can be ON and OFF.

The simple Fung Wheel when placed vertically and horizontally gives different Negative Voltage values.  This already confirms the existence of lead-out gravitational energy.  So far, the electromagnetic energy portion from the Fung wheel is approximately twice that of the gravitational energy.  But that value can be thousand times more.

The USA and China Military Engineers must have mastered this long ago.  Their UFOs are flying.  Which third Nation will announce and demonstrate their version of UFO technology?  That will force the USA and Chinese Governments to commercialize their much more advanced UFO technology to benefit the World.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg56076#new
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 11, 2016, 04:46:13 AM
We are immersed in electromagnetic energies.  Light is a form of electromagnetic energy.  If we do not know how to use solar panel, we might have said that we could not use the light energy surrounding us.

We do not fully know how to use the electromagnetic energy surrounding us yet...  Apache Ong improved FLEET with resonance and now Powerwall product from Tesla Motors is available... 

I would not be surprised that a QMOGEN product will come out from a third Nation first...

Poor Sterling Allan - he promoted QMOGEN...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 12, 2016, 07:04:11 PM
5.  Challenge to Academics

Most readers of this thread do not have a decent oscilloscope to examine and analyze the waveforms.  However, almost all technical universities or organizations do. 

The large negative waveform can be obtained both from a straight line coil and magnet repulsion and from a circular repulsion.

The top curve is the voltage across a one ohm resistor.  The bottom is the voltage across the coil.

The first challenge is for some of the Universities to reproduce such curves.  I am sure that many Universities can do that (many might have done it already).

The next challenge is to interpret the meaning of these graphs.  I take it as proof of lead-out energy.  I am happy to see if others can come out with a different interpretation.

The scientists in USA or China may have their mouths gagged but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcEpZ4kdyIY
Another UFO and Alien sighting.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 13, 2016, 08:45:14 PM
Brainstorming session on Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer

Principle behind Brainstorming:
1.    Let every idea have a chance no matter how crazy it seems.
2.   When an idea is selected for discussion, first, everyone must support.  Then everyone must object.
3.   Senior managers must not throw their weight behind any idea.  Some ideas can be randomly picked up from a pile of suggestion papers.

Some ideas that came up in the first brainstorm session.
1.   Get North Korea to build an UFO.
2.   Link FLEET to Powerwall.
3.   Help an African Nation to demonstrate an UFO.
4.   Heavily Promote the Negative Energy BEMF.
5.   Challenge the academics.
6.   Find the 225 HP Pulse Motor and promote.
7.   Find the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier and promote.
8.   Find the Wang magnetic motor and promote.
9.   Find the Laing car and promote.


*** The detailed discussions will also be available in reply 72
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg55786#msg55786

I have moderator privileges there and making changes are easier.

Items 5 to 9 are under the control of the Chinese Government.

The better strategy is promote the many claimed overunity devices on the Internet and in Patrick Kelly's e-book.  I can view the inventions from the angle of lead-out energy.

QMOGEN is one interesting  area to start.  An USA patent was granted...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 14, 2016, 03:30:05 PM
It is refreshing to talk to some bright youngsters.

They no longer blindly listen to authorities.  They even assume that some of the things we tell them are wrong.  They will create their own future.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 16, 2016, 09:59:47 AM
We are looking for very short pulses.  That represents very small Input Energy.

We also look for very large Negative Voltage Waveforms.  That represents large Lead-out Energy.

We cannot get it from one single pulse yet...

Need better tools and better engineers.  USA and China Military Establishments have them.  They produced some UFOs...

Technology will move on.  There is no chance of going back.  Will any Nation go back to ride on horses???

Useful technology cannot be suppressed forever.  Every Nation has brilliant scientists and Innovators. Make sure that they do not have hatred at heart.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 17, 2016, 02:07:32 PM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg56134#msg56134

How good is the UFO technology of USA?

How good is the UFO technology of China?

Both knew the Lead-out energy theory.  Both knew the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  Both knew the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier in 2006.

USA granted the Jesse McQueen QMOGEN patent  China had the Nanjing UFO.  UFO sightings and videos by multiple parties have been non-exciting news. 

There is no doubt that both have some form of UFO technology. But how well advanced are the developments???

*** USA knows that it can wipe out the hard earned respect of many Nations towards China by raising and escalating border disputes.  How should China react?  Can China show and share the UFO technology???

Or should China continue the path of building more roads, bridges, high speed trains and ensure that every citizen is better educated and moderately wealthy.  The UFO technology effectively leads-out inexhaustible gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  Going to outer space is no longer a problem.

*** With UFO technology, National Borders will eventually fade and disappear.  But people's emotions are not that far sighted.  World as One will take time.  But we should promote , promote and promote.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 18, 2016, 02:52:44 AM
The UFO technology effectively leads-out inexhaustible gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  Going to outer space is no longer a problem.

*** With UFO technology, National Borders will eventually fade and disappear.  But people's emotions are not that far sighted.  World as One will take time.  But we should promote , promote and promote.

When a Nation gets developed, it will value its hard work.  It does not need to gain its wealth via empire, colonialization or slavery.  Examples are Germany, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Korea and China etc.

Nationalism have been and is still being used as a powerful force in motivating the Citizens.  But we are in the modern world now.  There is no turning back.  The knowledge of weapons of mass destruction will spread.  We must think towards One World One Dream.

Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 18, 2016, 10:39:16 AM
https://youtu.be/Y2K2b4i_FYo

Vertical repulsion.

Comment: It is not often that one can think of an idea that can revolutionize the World.  Use the opportunity well.  If you cannot build the wheel yourself, let us do it.

UFOs from China nd USA are flying.  They solved the energy and transportation problems.  Use the technology to benefit mankind...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 20, 2016, 04:32:09 PM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg56134#msg56134

How good is the UFO technology of USA?

How good is the UFO technology of China?

Both knew the Lead-out energy theory.  Both knew the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  Both knew the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier in 2006.

USA granted the Jesse McQueen QMOGEN patent  China had the Nanjing UFO.  UFO sightings and videos by multiple parties have been non-exciting news. 

There is no doubt that both have some form of UFO technology. But how well advanced are the developments???

*** USA knows that it can wipe out the hard earned respect of many Nations towards China by raising and escalating border disputes.  How should China react?  Can China show and share the UFO technology???

Or should China continue the path of building more roads, bridges, high speed trains and ensure that every citizen is better educated and moderately wealthy.  The UFO technology effectively leads-out inexhaustible gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  Going to outer space is no longer a problem.

*** With UFO technology, National Borders will eventually fade and disappear.  But people's emotions are not that far sighted.  World as One will take time.  But we should promote , promote and promote.

Guessing Government actions is like fishing.  One can feel sure that there are fishes but...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 25, 2016, 01:57:02 AM
http://www.energeticforum.com/290659-post69.html

Some interesting discussions on BEMF in the energeticforum.com thread.

Reply 71 is interesting as it showed waveform for the Newman machine.  Negative Energy was evident.

Top diagram was from a low input DC voltage (4V) when the magnet inside the coil did not jump.  We could still see the large negative voltage.

The bottom is the waveform for no magnet inside the core.  The pure air coil showed a different waveform but negative power could be seen at both leading and trailing edges...  The voltage spikes were much less.

https://youtu.be/pw9L7HIZTV0

The above youtube video showed that the waveforms for vertical repulsion were not identical every time.

*** Positive Current x Negative Voltage or Negative Current x Positive Voltage gives Negative Power.  Negative Power x Time gives Negative Energy.  Can such Negative Energy be interpreted as energy coming from surrounding environment or lead-out energy?

What is the probability that the China and USA military scientists discovered such waveforms long ago?

What is the probability of their using it to develop their UFOs?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 27, 2016, 01:17:43 PM
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.msg56134#msg56134

How good is the UFO technology of USA?

How good is the UFO technology of China?

Both knew the Lead-out energy theory.  Both knew the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  Both knew the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier in 2006.

USA granted the Jesse McQueen QMOGEN patent  China had the Nanjing UFO.  UFO sightings and videos by multiple parties have been non-exciting news. 

There is no doubt that both have some form of UFO technology. But how well advanced are the developments???

*** USA knows that it can wipe out the hard earned respect of many Nations towards China by raising and escalating border disputes.  How should China react?  Can China show and share the UFO technology???

Or should China continue the path of building more roads, bridges, high speed trains and ensure that every citizen is better educated and moderately wealthy.  The UFO technology effectively leads-out inexhaustible gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  Going to outer space is no longer a problem.

*** With UFO technology, National Borders will eventually fade and disappear.  But people's emotions are not that far sighted.  World as One will take time.  But we should promote , promote and promote.

With UFO technology, National Borders will eventually fade and disappear.  Meeting with the old classmates - Let us leave the future to the younger generation.  We have done our small part.  We have seen China make unbelievable progress.  We just want to see the happy faces of our grand children...

I am sure that this thread will still be available if I join Mr. Lee Cheung Kin in our graves.  The waveforms - evidence of lead-out energy - is here.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 29, 2016, 12:33:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mxUZjRPZqk

The above is the cartoon style of explaining the complex Thirteenth Five Year Plan Goals.

In short, Government money (printed if necessary) will first flow to ensure every family have electricity, clean water, food on the table, compulsory education for the young, social security for the old and sick.

The money will not come from higher taxes.  The recently Rich do not need to worry about Government redistributing their wealth.  Government must print more money for its citizens to get wealthy.  If the Government does not print money, person A getting wealthy will mean person B getting poor.

The previous 5 year plans focused on pumping money to build infrastructures, building  factories etc.  The thirteenth 5 year plan is to put money and resources to ensure that there will no longer be "poverty" in China.  Every remote village will have electrical power.  Internet will be available to every citizen. 

Does that mean that every Chinese will know the ufo technology?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 30, 2016, 11:38:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mxUZjRPZqk

The above is the cartoon style of explaining the complex Thirteenth Five Year Plan Goals.

In short, Government money (printed if necessary) will first flow to ensure every family have electricity, clean water, food on the table, compulsory education for the young, social security for the old and sick.

The money will not come from higher taxes.  The recently Rich do not need to worry about Government redistributing their wealth.  Government must print more money for its citizens to get wealthy.  If the Government does not print money, person A getting wealthy will mean person B getting poor.

The previous 5 year plans focused on pumping money to build infrastructures, building  factories etc.  The thirteenth 5 year plan is to put money and resources to ensure that there will no longer be "poverty" in China.  Every remote village will have electrical power.  Internet will be available to every citizen. 

Does that mean that every Chinese will know the ufo technology?

In previous Five Year Plans, the focus was on pumping money to build infrastructures, building  factories etc.  In other words, the increased money supply went to those who could produce more visible wealth.  Many became millionaires or billionaires.  This helped to strengthen the work ethics and ignites the dreams.

Since a Government must increase the money supply to make its citizens wealthy,  there is no need to redistribute the existing wealth.  In other words, there is no need to increase taxes on the relatively wealthy to give to the poor. 

There was virtually no opposition with such an approach from the existing stake holders in China.  In USA or other democratic Nations, there would be voices of objection. 

In Hong Kong, we often hear the argument that such an approach will lead to laziness.  The Rich benefited from "increased money" flow to their pockets first.  The Rich (bankers, developers, investors, lawyers etc.) want the money to continue to trickle down through their fingers first.  They are the Power...

The Communist Party is the Power in China.  I disagree with some of their policies but this time, I agree with them.  Much of the new supplied money should go to the underprivileged.  The 70 million below the poverty line should get the lion's share this time.  Can China achieve this by 2020?  Will the China Speed or Miracle prevail once more?

I hope to contribute the ufo technology before going to my grave...

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 30, 2016, 12:22:07 PM
In previous Five Year Plans, the focus was on pumping money to build infrastructures, building  factories etc.  In other words, the increased money supply went to those who could produce more visible wealth.  Many became millionaires or billionaires.  This helped to strengthen the work ethics and ignites the dreams.

Since a Government must increase the money supply to make its citizens wealthy,  there is no need to redistribute the existing wealth.  In other words, there is no need to increase taxes on the relatively wealthy to give to the poor. 

There was virtually no opposition with such an approach from the existing stake holders in China.  In USA or other democratic Nations, there would be voices of objection. 

In Hong Kong, we often hear the argument that such an approach will lead to laziness.  The Rich benefited from "increased money" flow to their pockets first.  The Rich (bankers, developers, investors, lawyers etc.) want the money to continue to trickle down through their fingers first.  They are the Power...

The Communist Party is the Power in China.  I disagree with some of their policies but this time, I agree with them.  Much of the new supplied money should go to the underprivileged.  The 70 million below the poverty line should get the lion's share this time.  Can China achieve this by 2020?  Will the China Speed or Miracle prevail once more?

I hope to contribute the ufo technology before going to my grave...

Long term goals can only be achieved by stable Governments.  In earlier Five Year Plans, the increased money supply went to those who could create more wealth.  Their success inspired the rest. "Let some get rich first" was the motto.

In a democracy, there would have been "reasonable" voices stressing that the social needs must be addressed first or equally.  Could the Chinese Speed or Miracle happen with such leg-dragging?

Singapore succeeded with one strong party since its birth...

My suggestion to the Chinese Government on the Fourteenth Five Year Plan is Globalization and ufo technology...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 31, 2016, 09:53:20 AM
A seemingly stupid question from a senior citizen.

Will China ever fall back to the under-developed status again?

Will any developed Nation ever fall back to declining economy and falling standards of living?  Will there be hunger, famine or sufferings from natural disasters again?

After a Nation has mastered food technology; manufacturing techniques; Economic forecasts; Internet commerce; built infrastructures etc...

Wars, Alien Invasions, diseases, Climate changes... The most likely is Humans destroying each other.

Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.

*** Logical Question from any developing nation:

It took China 30 or so years to become Developed.  How long will it take my Nation with Internet and Modern Technology?

Will it take even less with UFO technology?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 31, 2016, 09:15:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmV8o-JwQDM

Russian UFO Documentary

It would not surprise me that Russia has developed some UFOs.  If China and USA can do it, Russia can...

When will the whole World compete on peaceful use of the ufo technology???

*** Reply 1 of this thread is the ninth design of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer.  It may not be the best but it gives food for thought.  I am sure that both China and USA have UFOs since 2006.  It now appears that Russia also have them.

If Russia helps some African Nations to have food security for them and for itself, the World will get rich together.  What is the best way to help?  Subsistence farming or modern farms?  No plans or Five Year Plans?

Can the World count on removing hunger and famine within 30 years - every Nation will become developed?  With UFO technology, what will happen to National Borders?  World as One will be reality.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 01, 2016, 11:18:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTuhYKGRyB0

UFO over Japan

Can Japan build a lead-out energy flying saucer?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 02, 2016, 04:50:11 AM
A seemingly stupid question from a senior citizen.

Will China ever fall back to the under-developed status again?

Will any developed Nation ever fall back to declining economy and falling standards of living?  Will there be hunger, famine or sufferings from natural disasters again?

After a Nation has mastered food technology; manufacturing techniques; Economic forecasts; Internet commerce; built infrastructures etc...

Wars, Alien Invasions, diseases, Climate changes... The most likely is Humans destroying each other.

Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.


Once a Nation has gained or regained its self confidence...

Will China be scared to tackle the UFO technology?  Will China boldly take on the lead?

Will an old man take on the ridicule?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 02, 2016, 09:24:00 PM
A seemingly stupid question from a senior citizen.

Will China ever fall back to the under-developed status again?

Will any developed Nation ever fall back to declining economy and falling standards of living?  Will there be hunger, famine or sufferings from natural disasters again?

After a Nation has mastered food technology; manufacturing techniques; Economic forecasts; Internet commerce; built infrastructures etc...

Wars, Alien Invasions, diseases, Climate changes... The most likely is Humans destroying each other.

Love Thy Enemies.  Turn them into Brothers and Sisters.

*** Logical Question from any developing nation:

It took China 30 or so years to become Developed.  How long will it take my Nation with Internet and Modern Technology?

Will it take even less with UFO technology?

In Hong Kong, there are still areas that are left undeveloped or under developed.  People in such areas have electricity, running water, food on the table etc.  However, the living standard is not as good as the rest.

Hong Kong prides itself as a free society.  It prides itself as small government.  But if we compare Hong Kong with Singapore, which is better?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 02, 2016, 11:05:22 PM
中國彈道導彈會“拐彎”美束手無策 張召忠

Translation:  The New Chinese Missiles  can move in circular paths  posting new problems for USA.

UFO technology???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 03, 2016, 09:21:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKmB3WTDPJY&index=20&list=PLwXMmy5fUrVw0ojssmxRrb5fRxlADJxsK

The TV series described the progress of China from the Communist Party prospective.  One of the things that impressed me was the openness.  The series covered many mistakes made.

The chance of another stupid cultural revolution is close to zero. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 04, 2016, 11:57:35 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ap-exclusive-north-korea-hopes-to-plant-flag-on-the-moon/ar-BBvePu4?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

Will North Korea examine the ufo technology?

*** China produced the Nanjing UFO a few months after our presenting the Lee-Tseung theory in 2006.  If North Korea can use this new ufo technology to land on the moon, will they do so?

Will the rest of the World follow?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 05, 2016, 06:50:12 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ap-exclusive-north-korea-hopes-to-plant-flag-on-the-moon/ar-BBvePu4?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ap-exclusive-north-korea-hopes-to-plant-flag-on-the-moon/ar-BBvePu4?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)

Will North Korea examine the ufo technology?

*** China produced the Nanjing UFO a few months after our presenting the Lee-Tseung theory in 2006.  If North Korea can use this new ufo technology to land on the moon, will they do so?

Will the rest of the World follow?


1.  Can North Korea reproduce the Milkovic two stage pendulum?
2.  Can North Korea replace the pendulum with the unbalanced wheel and produce the Chan Wheel?
3.  Can North Korea build the Fung Wheel and examine the waveform?
4.  Will the North Korean Scientists agree that the large Negative Voltage Pulse represent Negative Energy?  Will they agree that the Negative Energy represent lead-out energy?
5.  Will the North Korean Scientists find a way to produce a good amount of lead-out energy?
6.  Will the North Korean Scientist succeed (like the Chinese and USA military scientists) in producing a UFO?
7.  Will the North Koran Leadership proudly display the achievement to the World?





Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 06, 2016, 03:33:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht3zkDxAjUM


ufo technology is real...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 07, 2016, 05:16:57 AM
OLYMPICS 2016 is here.


Different sports have their different rules.  But the spirit of showing ones best is the same.  UFO technology is here.  There are many applications.  Let the World compete...


One rule is likely to be the same.  Every individual would like to have a better standard of living.


The collective rule is that such must not be built on the sufferings of others.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 08, 2016, 04:06:04 AM
OLYMPICS 2016 is here.


Different sports have their different rules.  But the spirit of showing ones best is the same.  UFO technology is here.  There are many applications.  Let the World compete...


One rule is likely to be the same.  Every individual would like to have a better standard of living.


The collective rule is that such must not be built on the sufferings of others.



If the World now follows the collective rule, there will be no conquering of other Nations.  UFO technology is here.  The World can enjoy non-polluting energy and share the knowledge and prosperity via the Internet.  Every Nation can become wealthy.  Every individual can enjoy life.


There is no need to turn the UFO technology into weapon systems.




Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: kolbacict on August 08, 2016, 08:08:40 PM
Quote
1.  Can North Korea reproduce the Milkovic two stage pendulum?
what do you mean?
and that there is, this pendulum?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 09, 2016, 11:36:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)


This TV series on how people get rich have great impact in China.  Communists encourage people to get rich.


Many are University Graduates acting as special Village Officials to show how wealth can be generated.  These Graduates can become millionaires in RMB terms with the blessing and help of the Government.  The best way to get someone out of poverty is to have people around them making it.


The aim is to remove poverty by 2020.  At the beginning of 2016, there were still 70 million Chinese below the poverty line.  The Graduates must formulate a plan for each poor family to get them out of poverty.  They are more than social workers.  They are wealth generators...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 09, 2016, 12:08:19 PM
what do you mean?
and that where is this pendulum?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8)


Check the following points:


1.  At around 2.0 minute mark, a slight push of the fingers can lift the heavy weight on the RHS twice.
2.  The lifting occurs when the pendulum bob is at lowest position and highest velocity.
3.  That means the centrifugal force is highest.
4.  At this situation, the work done by the weight is more than the work done by the fingers.
5.  The Lee-Tseung Theory says that gravitational energy is being lead-out or brought-in.  Thus there is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.


The improvements:
a.  Replace the pendulum bob with an unbalanced wheel (Chan Wheel).
b.  Examine the waveform on an oscilloscope. (Fung Wheel)  The waveform shows a high negative voltage.  A 5V DC Input can produce a -580V negative pulse.  The Lee-Tseung theory uses that as evidence of Lead-out energy...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: kolbacict on August 09, 2016, 02:35:30 PM
the man claims that this over-unity device?
And you,as well.
I know it while several years.
Milkovich said in the old video that is not there overunity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 11, 2016, 02:20:41 AM
the man claims that this over-unity device?
And you,as well.
I know it while several years.
Milkovich said in the old video that is not there overunity.


With your knowledge, you probably already know that if one can bring-in gravitational energy, one must be able to bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy.


Many devices in Patrick Kelly's e-book may be real.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 11, 2016, 01:11:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)


This TV series on how people get rich have great impact in China.  Communists encourage people to get rich.


Many are University Graduates acting as special Village Officials to show how wealth can be generated.  These Graduates can become millionaires in RMB terms with the blessing and help of the Government.  The best way to get someone out of poverty is to have people around them making it.


The aim is to remove poverty by 2020.  At the beginning of 2016, there were still 70 million Chinese below the poverty line.  The Graduates must formulate a plan for each poor family to get them out of poverty.  They are more than social workers.  They are wealth generators...

At the Senior Center.  Senior 1: "The traditional Chinese attitude is to keep any success secret within the family.  Some secrets will be to males only."

Senior 2: "The New China is different.  There are few company secrets.  The new motto is to get rich from sharing your secrets."

The UFO technology secret is to be shared...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 12, 2016, 01:34:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3scjochsrvg

Searl machine is another device that claims both energy generation and anti-gravity.

The simplicity of reply 1 of this thread is...

Nations can compete peacefully just like the Olympics.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 14, 2016, 11:47:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8iTheIQEks

The Venture Capital TV series.

Modern Wealth is from Innovation.  Technology, technology and technology.

Improve everything.  Perfection is not achieved in one day.

UFO technololgy will be the growth engine...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Smann on August 17, 2016, 03:19:23 PM
So... does this leaf fly???  :o
Follow the nature. 8)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 18, 2016, 03:24:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tUinvpQys

Factory of the World

New paradigm.  New way of doing things better.

Competition but still provide the best for the workers?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 19, 2016, 04:35:15 AM
When a Nation is developed, it can afford to have facilities to train Olympics champions.

Hosting the Olympics...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 20, 2016, 08:44:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2fGIaUN8to#t=396.414429

Pass existing knowledge to those who need it...

Does a Developing Nation need to become an exporter to become wealthy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 24, 2016, 12:00:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0YthcyL-qc&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)


This TV series on how people get rich have great impact in China.  Communists encourage people to get rich.


Many are University Graduates acting as special Village Officials to show how wealth can be generated.  These Graduates can become millionaires in RMB terms with the blessing and help of the Government.  The best way to get someone out of poverty is to have people around them making it.


The aim is to remove poverty by 2020.  At the beginning of 2016, there were still 70 million Chinese below the poverty line.  The Graduates must formulate a plan for each poor family to get them out of poverty.  They are more than social workers.  They are wealth generators...

One of the discussion topics after the Olympics is the future of the athletes.  What will happen to those who do not win a medal?  Do their training prepare them for a career in the modern competitive society?

In China, the most common approach is to give them additional training and get them jobs in the education field.  With new wealth, more opportunities are now available...  A combination of state planning and private initiative may be the best solution.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 25, 2016, 11:26:03 AM
Fourth dimension and beyond

One of the most interesting lectures was from a young graduate.  He tried to explain the different dimensions and their possible scientific impact.

1.   If an object can only move in one dimension, it is like moving forwards and backwards on a straight line.  If a slight deviation is allowed, it may move into the two dimensional space.
2.   A two dimension can be thought of as many one dimension lines placed side by side.  If an object can move in a two dimensional space, it does not need to rely on the slight deviation to allow it to reach a two dimensional point.
3.   The time and effort required to move from a one dimensional point to reach a two dimensional point relying on slight deviation will be very long.  But if the object has two dimensional movement capability, the time and effort will be much less.
4.   A three dimension can be thought of as many two dimensions placed in a pile.  If an object has to rely on slight deviation to reach a three dimensional point, it will take a lot of effort and time.  But if the object has three dimensional movement capability, the time and effort will be much less.
5.   A fourth dimension can be thought of as many three dimensions placed together.  If an object has to rely on slight deviation to reach a fourth dimensional point, it will take a lot of effort and time.  But if the object has four dimensional movement capability, the time and effort will be much less.

The lecturer suggested that the current scientists do not understand fourth dimensions and beyond.  The UFO technology may be using such capabilities.  What appears to be many light years away in three dimensional space may be very close in four dimensional space?  Four dimensional space automatically include three and lower dimensional space.  We can only see UFOs if they move into our three dimensional space…

Is there a whole field of UFO science and technology waiting for us to explore?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 25, 2016, 07:16:52 PM
A developed country, industrialized country, or "more economically developed country" (MEDC), is a sovereign state that has a highly developed economy and advanced technological infrastructure relative to other less industrialized nations. Most commonly, the criteria for evaluating the degree of economic development are gross domestic product (GDP), gross national product (GNP), the per capita income, level of industrialization, amount of widespread infrastructure and general standard of living.[1] Which criteria are to be used and which countries can be classified as being developed are subjects of debate.

Developed countries have post-industrial economies, meaning the service sector provides more wealth than the industrial sector. They are contrasted with developing countries, which are in the process of industrialization, or undeveloped countries, which are pre-industrial and almost entirely agrarian. As of 2015, advanced economies comprise 60.8% of global GDP based on nominal values and 42.9% of global GDP based on purchasing-power parity (PPP) according to the International Monetary Fund.[2] In 2015, the ten largest advanced economies by GDP in both nominal and PPP terms were Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Spain, the United Kingdom, and the United States.[3]
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 25, 2016, 07:30:25 PM
A developed country, industrialized country, or "more economically developed country" (MEDC), is a sovereign state that has a highly developed economy and advanced technological infrastructure relative to other less industrialized nations. Most commonly, the criteria for evaluating the degree of economic development are gross domestic product (GDP), gross national product (GNP), the per capita income, level of industrialization, amount of widespread infrastructure and general standard of living.[1] Which criteria are to be used and which countries can be classified as being developed are subjects of debate.

Developed countries have post-industrial economies, meaning the service sector provides more wealth than the industrial sector. They are contrasted with developing countries, which are in the process of industrialization, or undeveloped countries, which are pre-industrial and almost entirely agrarian. As of 2015, advanced economies comprise 60.8% of global GDP based on nominal values and 42.9% of global GDP based on purchasing-power parity (PPP) according to the International Monetary Fund.[2] In 2015, the ten largest advanced economies by GDP in both nominal and PPP terms were Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Spain, the United Kingdom, and the United States.[3]

With modern knowhow, how long would it take an undeveloped country to become developed?  If a developed country pours its resources to help, would the time be shortened?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 26, 2016, 04:18:46 PM
With modern knowhow, how long would it take an undeveloped country to become developed?  If a developed country pours its resources to help, would the time be shortened?

The Undeveloped Nation must have the will to become developed.  A coach may have the best skills and intention to train but the athletes must be willing to learn and endure the pain.  A fisherman may be wiling to pass the skills but the other side must have the interest to learn...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 27, 2016, 01:35:33 AM
The Undeveloped Nation must have the will to become developed.  A coach may have the best skills and intention to train but the athletes must be willing to learn and endure the pain.  A fisherman may be wiling to pass the skills but the other side must have the interest to learn...

China won the Gold Medal of Women Volleyball at the RIO Olympics.  That was one of the biggest moments in China.  The TV live broadcast reached 70%.  The emotions were high.

How can a few girls hitting the ball have such an impact?

The World has changed.  The days of pleasing the Kings and Emperors were gone.  The days of Conquest, Slavery and Colonialization were gone.  Internet has given every Nation and every individual access to knowledge.  Globalization is allowing the movement of goods and people to every corner of the Earth.  Every Individual can express and share his feelings and thoughts.

The Volleyball Competition shows the spirit of the New World - fair competition with the best talents of the World.  The support given to one's National Team and the appreciation of the talents of the other National Teams are all trends to be praised.

UFO technology will make Earth seem smaller.  All will be better with sharing and appreciation of others.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 29, 2016, 07:34:36 PM
The Silicon Valley Mentality.

There are five major characteristics of this Mentality.

1.   Whatever we want to achieve, or have already achieved, is only third class.  We have to turn it into second or first class.  When we pass the thing to you, you should treat that as only third class and seek to improve it to second or first class.  When you pass it back to us, we shall treat it as third class again.  This Mentality will cause us to become better and better.

2.   When a problem is passed to us, either we crack the problem or the problem cracks us.  This Mentality causes us to concentrate and overcome all possible obstacles.

3.   We are the Gods.  We can change or make any new rule.  This Mentality will force us to think outside the box.  We will not be bounded by past experience or traditions.

4.   We shall not find excuses for our failures.  If we disclose our failures, the World can learn and benefit from our failures.  In the innovative society, we shall do many things which our predecessors have never done before.  This Mentality helps us to face challenges.  We shall not fear the possibility of failure.

5.   Finally, if there is something we do not know now, we shall know it tomorrow.  The internet has brought the World Libraries to us. This Mentality helps us to overcome the doubts created by our own limitations.  We do not need to worry about anything.

Note the word WE...  The hard earned knowledge is to be shared.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 30, 2016, 10:03:08 AM
China won the Gold Medal of Women Volleyball at the RIO Olympics.  That was one of the biggest moments in China.  The TV live broadcast reached 70%.  The emotions were high.

How can a few girls hitting the ball have such an impact?

The World has changed.  The days of pleasing the Kings and Emperors were gone.  The days of Conquest, Slavery and Colonialization were gone.  Internet has given every Nation and every individual access to knowledge.  Globalization is allowing the movement of goods and people to every corner of the Earth.  Every Individual can express and share his feelings and thoughts.

The Volleyball Competition shows the spirit of the New World - fair competition with the best talents of the World.  The support given to one's National Team and the appreciation of the talents of the other National Teams are all trends to be praised.

UFO technology will make Earth seem smaller.  All will be better with sharing and appreciation of others.

Zhu Ting played at the 2013 Club World Championship with Guangdong Evergrande winning the bronze medal after defeating 3-1 to Voléro Zürich.[3] She will join Vakıfbank in Turkey in Season 2016-2017.

Zhu was the MVP in Women's Volleyball at the Rio Olympics. Her annual income will exceed Euro 1 million.  She is only 22.   
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 03, 2016, 10:57:33 AM
The Silicon Valley Mentality.

There are five major characteristics of this Mentality.

1.   Whatever we want to achieve, or have already achieved, is only third class.  We have to turn it into second or first class.  When we pass the thing to you, you should treat that as only third class and seek to improve it to second or first class.  When you pass it back to us, we shall treat it as third class again.  This Mentality will cause us to become better and better.

2.   When a problem is passed to us, either we crack the problem or the problem cracks us.  This Mentality causes us to concentrate and overcome all possible obstacles.

3.   We are the Gods.  We can change or make any new rule.  This Mentality will force us to think outside the box.  We will not be bounded by past experience or traditions.

4.   We shall not find excuses for our failures.  If we disclose our failures, the World can learn and benefit from our failures.  In the innovative society, we shall do many things which our predecessors have never done before.  This Mentality helps us to face challenges.  We shall not fear the possibility of failure.

5.   Finally, if there is something we do not know now, we shall know it tomorrow.  The internet has brought the World Libraries to us. This Mentality helps us to overcome the doubts created by our own limitations.  We do not need to worry about anything.

Note the word WE...  The hard earned knowledge is to be shared.

What will happen when the last 70 million Chinese have been raised above the poverty line before 2020?

1.  Will China still have 5 year plans and grow the GDP faster than the other Developed Nations?  Singapore continues with its state Capitalism and five year plans.

2.  Will China devote more resources to Education, Medicine, Social Services and improve the "quality of life"?  Will the rich get richer but the poor also gets richer? Will the increased money supply flow to all levels of society or will it be controlled by the Privileged? Will all have good food, clothes, homes, education, medication, travel and opportunities?

3. Will China introduce the concepts of Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth and help other Undeveloped or Developing Nations Developed?  The best way to become rich and remain rich is to get others rich.  Will there be enough food for every person on Earth?

4.  When there is less urgent need for Infrastructure Projects, where should China focus its energy?  Will the Internet Discussions help to guide China along the right path?  Will other Developing Nations learn and follow the Chinese Development Model? Somehow, the Racial Problem in USA is getting worse.  Can China prevent such problems?

5.  Will China disclose the UFO technology?  Will the Chinese citizens be innovative enough to take advantage of such technologies?  Will the UFO technology be used to benefit the World?

6.  Will there be more International Respect; more Globalization, more Inter-racial marriages and Olympics type of friendly competitions? Will the National Border Disputes prevent harmony?

The Silicon Mentality guides us to become better and better.  The Olympics Spirit challenges us to become faster, stronger, jump higher and better...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 03, 2016, 07:36:04 PM
What are the new mindsets of the Chinese when China becomes developed by 2020?

1.  Some people will be paid not to produce.  In some areas, growing food or raising animals will harm the environment more.  It is better to have the local inhabitants "conserve" the land.  Thus providing them with food and move them away from farming is good and necessary.  It is NOT making them lazy.

2.  The best way to get others follow is via success.  The new type of Village Officials dedicated to showing villagers how to get rich is important.  These Officials are encouraged to get rich first via their knowledge of Internet, scientific training and support from the Government.  Their getting rich will provide examples for the Villagers.  It is a very good way to develop the entire economy.

3.  Government must increase the supply of money to get its citizens wealthy.  There is no need to heavily tax the rich to give to the poor.  The rich can get richer and grow the pie bigger.  The poor can get richer also with more share in the growing pie.

4.  When there is plenty of food, growing more will become less meaningful.  When there are excess industrial products, producing more will become less meaningful.  When there are sufficient infrastructures, building more will become less meaningful.  The focus will be improving the "quality of life" or defining New Meaningful Economic Activities.

5.  The best way of getting rich and remaining rich is to get others rich.  This applies to Nations as well.  Thus Mutual Credits that provide win-win and sharing of knowledge must be encouraged.  Open and fair competition will be good for all.

6.  Wealth of Nations is technology, technology and technology.  The old days of conquest, colonialization and enslaving others are over.  There is no need to please the Kings and Emperors.  There will be no need to please the rich and powerful.  All can enjoy a much higher standard of living.  UFO technology is here.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 05, 2016, 09:42:20 AM
What will happen when the last 70 million Chinese have been raised above the poverty line before 2020?

1.  Will China still have 5 year plans and grow the GDP faster than the other Developed Nations?  Singapore continues with its state Capitalism and five year plans.

2.  Will China devote more resources to Education, Medicine, Social Services and improve the "quality of life"?  Will the rich get richer but the poor also gets richer? Will the increased money supply flow to all levels of society or will it be controlled by the Privileged? Will all have good food, clothes, homes, education, medication, travel and opportunities?

3. Will China introduce the concepts of Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth and help other Undeveloped or Developing Nations Developed?  The best way to become rich and remain rich is to get others rich.  Will there be enough food for every person on Earth?

4.  When there is less urgent need for Infrastructure Projects, where should China focus its energy?  Will the Internet Discussions help to guide China along the right path?  Will other Developing Nations learn and follow the Chinese Development Model? Somehow, the Racial Problem in USA is getting worse.  Can China prevent such problems?

5.  Will China disclose the UFO technology?  Will the Chinese citizens be innovative enough to take advantage of such technologies?  Will the UFO technology be used to benefit the World?

6.  Will there be more International Respect; more Globalization, more Inter-racial marriages and Olympics type of friendly competitions? Will the National Border Disputes prevent harmony?

The Silicon Mentality guides us to become better and better.  The Olympics Spirit challenges us to become faster, stronger, jump higher and better...

1.  Will China still have 5 year plans and grow the GDP faster than the other Developed Nations?  Singapore continues with its state Capitalism and five year plans.

China is much, much better.  But...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 05, 2016, 11:38:11 PM
What will happen when the last 70 million Chinese have been raised above the poverty line before 2020?

5.  Will China disclose the UFO technology?  Will the Chinese citizens be innovative enough to take advantage of such technologies?  Will the UFO technology be used to benefit the World?

The UFO technology can potentially replace the family car.  The lead-out Energy Flying Saucer enables new degree of travel.

China already have the 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Tsinghua University Multiplier.  It produced the Nanjing UFO in 2006.  Reply 1 of this thread is not that difficult to understand.  The DSO waveforms show negative energy.

But the military implications are vast.  If millions of flying saucers can stay in the air or outer space forever, there is little defense with existing technology.  The Military will try to develop such technology as fast as possible.  Does that explain the many reported sightings of UFOs?

Will it take a third Nation to demonstrate an UFO first???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 05, 2016, 11:49:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_FvIFFukWY

The Xi G20 speech in Chinese.  Trying to get the English translation.

习近平G20工商峰会演讲:做大蛋糕分好蛋糕,建设天蓝/地绿/水清的人和中国

The translation of the title is:

Make a bigger cake and distribute it fairly.  Build a blue sky/green land/clear water environment for a harmonious China.

Related speech with English Translation:
http://www.g20.org/English/Video/201609/t20160905_3375.html
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 07, 2016, 08:29:37 PM
What are the new mindsets of the Chinese when China becomes developed by 2020?

1.  Some people will be paid not to produce.  In some areas, growing food or raising animals will harm the environment more.  It is better to have the local inhabitants "conserve" the land.  Thus providing them with food and move them away from farming is good and necessary.  It is NOT making them lazy.

2.  The best way to get others follow is via success.  The new type of Village Officials dedicated to showing villagers how to get rich is important.  These Officials are encouraged to get rich first via their knowledge of Internet, scientific training and support from the Government.  Their getting rich will provide examples for the Villagers.  It is a very good way to develop the entire economy.

3.  Government must increase the supply of money to get its citizens wealthy.  There is no need to heavily tax the rich to give to the poor.  The rich can get richer and grow the pie bigger.  The poor can get richer also with more share in the growing pie.


4.  When there is plenty of food, growing more will become less meaningful.  When there are excess industrial products, producing more will become less meaningful.  When there are sufficient infrastructures, building more will become less meaningful.  The focus will be improving the "quality of life" or defining New Meaningful Economic Activities.

5.  The best way of getting rich and remaining rich is to get others rich.  This applies to Nations as well.  Thus Mutual Credits that provide win-win and sharing of knowledge must be encouraged.  Open and fair competition will be good for all.

6.  Wealth of Nations is technology, technology and technology.  The old days of conquest, colonialization and enslaving others are over.  There is no need to please the Kings and Emperors.  There will be no need to please the rich and powerful.  All can enjoy a much higher standard of living.  UFO technology is here.

3.  Government must increase the supply of money to get its citizens wealthy.  There is no need to heavily tax the rich to give to the poor.  The rich can get richer and grow the pie bigger.  The poor can get richer also with more share in the growing pie.

This statement caused an uproar at the Senior Center.  Some Seniors suffered in the days when China printed money indiscriminately.  They insisted that the government must act like everybody else. Governments must earn money.  Governments must have balanced budgets.

They refused to accept the argument that Governments must increase the money supply for the Nation and the Citizens to become wealthy. 

The Modern thought is that the Government should increase the money supply appropriately to increase more Meaningful Economic Activities.  For example China is correct in developing the High Speed Train Infrastructures - there is no need to "save" money via taxes or borrow from Foreign Banks before doing so.  The increased money supply is "given" to the groups that can produce the product.  The building activities will stimulate more innovation, create more jobs, make travelling faster and more comfortable.  The Activity is Economically Meaningful.

Such debates are good for China and are Meaningful Economic Activities...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 08, 2016, 11:30:38 PM
What will happen when the last 70 million Chinese have been raised above the poverty line before 2020?

1.  Will China still have 5 year plans and grow the GDP faster than the other Developed Nations?  Singapore continues with its state Capitalism and five year plans.

2.  Will China devote more resources to Education, Medicine, Social Services and improve the "quality of life"?  Will the rich get richer but the poor also gets richer? Will the increased money supply flow to all levels of society or will it be controlled by the Privileged? Will all have good food, clothes, homes, education, medication, travel and opportunities?

3. Will China introduce the concepts of Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth and help other Undeveloped or Developing Nations Developed?  The best way to become rich and remain rich is to get others rich.  Will there be enough food for every person on Earth?

4.  When there is less urgent need for Infrastructure Projects, where should China focus its energy?  Will the Internet Discussions help to guide China along the right path?  Will other Developing Nations learn and follow the Chinese Development Model? Somehow, the Racial Problem in USA is getting worse.  Can China prevent such problems?

5.  Will China disclose the UFO technology?  Will the Chinese citizens be innovative enough to take advantage of such technologies?  Will the UFO technology be used to benefit the World?

6.  Will there be more International Respect; more Globalization, more Inter-racial marriages and Olympics type of friendly competitions? Will the National Border Disputes prevent harmony?

The Silicon Mentality guides us to become better and better.  The Olympics Spirit challenges us to become faster, stronger, jump higher and better...

2.  Will China devote more resources to Education, Medicine, Social Services and improve the "quality of life"?  Will the rich get richer but the poor also gets richer? Will the increased money supply flow to all levels of society or will it be controlled by the Privileged? Will all have good food, clothes, homes, education, medication, travel and opportunities?

When a Nation increases its money supply, the distribution method is important.  China directs much of the increase to State Projects such as High Speed Rails, Dams, Bridges, Highways, etc.  There is no need to increase taxes.

The Pie increases via both State and Private efforts.  Putting the right leadership in place is important.  China is lucky now.  The Mao days with Slogans and Cultural Revolutions are gone.  The five Years plans are no longer directives from a few minds.  They receive input from many sources and are vigorously, scientifically modelled and evaluated.  The Internet plays an important role.

Will China continue to be lucky?  Is China already formulating the next Five Year Plan?

Hong Kong had its Legislative Council debates and elections.  The quality of the debates have much to be desired. Is there any hope of the new Lego Members helping to direct Hong Kong on the right development path?  Will democracy always elect the competent leaders?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 10, 2016, 12:25:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK7WDYzYC5Y

In science, there is much to learn...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 10, 2016, 09:32:48 PM
Changing the role of a Social Worker.

Add the role of a wealth generator...  Help the client to see opportunities...  Form or join the appropriate groups...  Increase Modern Wealth and Meaningful Economic Activities...

Every citizen can participate in growing and enjoying the pie.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 11, 2016, 10:15:55 AM
Attended a meeting with many educators.

One complain was that the Politicians in Hong Kong lacked training.

One suggestion is to set up a website dedicated to the training of future Politicians in Hong Kong.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 11, 2016, 11:21:28 PM
Attended a meeting with many educators.

One complain was that the Politicians in Hong Kong lacked training.

One suggestion is to set up a website dedicated to the training of future Politicians in Hong Kong.

One comment was to write a computer game on managing Hong Kong.  The game can be adopted for any city...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 11, 2016, 11:37:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lnw5AK5lNs

The Singapore model.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 12, 2016, 08:57:22 PM
The War in Syria.

How did a peaceful, middle income country get its citizens into such suffering?

China must learn the lesson.  Remove any racial conflicts.  Provide prosperity and self confidence to all citizens.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 13, 2016, 01:43:49 PM
With agricultural technology, fewer farmers are needed.  Fewer acreage is needed.

With manufacturing technology, fewer factory workers will be needed.  There will be excess goods.

With Information Technology, fewer clerks will be needed. 

What are the New jobs?  What are the new Meaningful Economic Activities?

When will China introduce the UFO technology?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 13, 2016, 05:51:24 PM
@ Itseung88 and all people who think they have a solution:

Like many I am worried by the conflicts and problems all over the earth (160 million refugees, pollution, loss of jobs because of computer technology and automation).

There are many political and economic opinions and religions all offering various and contradicting solutions which all seem to be impossible.

After many years of reading countless books and articles and having visited all political parties in my home country and some in other EU-countries and even mingling with NGOs, I came to the following conclusion:

THE SOURCE OF MOST PROBLEMS IS OVER POPULATION! Therefore, reduce the population of earth to a third or even less, and most problems will go away.

There is no need to kill people, just introduce birth control. If all families have at most two children, the population will start to shrink rapidly (within three generations).

Yes, it is a simplistic view and the biggest enemies of this view are all people who want economic growth (which only can happen as long as there is population growth). And also the financial market (banks, loans, stock market) needs economic growth and therefore population growth.

So, if you want a solution (which is population reduction) you have to abandon the financial market and economic growth.

And after having said all that I already hear the protests of the readers (who believe in the financial market and in economic growth).

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 14, 2016, 12:22:15 PM
@ Itseung88 and all people who think they have a solution:

Like many I am worried by the conflicts and problems all over the earth (160 million refugees, pollution, loss of jobs because of computer technology and automation).

There are many political and economic opinions and religions all offering various and contradicting solutions which all seem to be impossible.

After many years of reading countless books and articles and having visited all political parties in my home country and some in other EU-countries and even mingling with NGOs, I came to the following conclusion:

THE SOURCE OF MOST PROBLEMS IS OVER POPULATION! Therefore, reduce the population of earth to a third or even less, and most problems will go away.

There is no need to kill people, just introduce birth control. If all families have at most two children, the population will start to shrink rapidly (within three generations).

Yes, it is a simplistic view and the biggest enemies of this view are all people who want economic growth (which only can happen as long as there is population growth). And also the financial market (banks, loans, stock market) needs economic growth and therefore population growth.

So, if you want a solution (which is population reduction) you have to abandon the financial market and economic growth.

And after having said all that I already hear the protests of the readers (who believe in the financial market and in economic growth).

Greetings, Conrad

Japan is an example of negative population growth.  It will have a chance to showcase its development in 2020 Olympics..
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 15, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
Japan is an example of negative population growth.  It will have a chance to showcase its development in 2020 Olympics..

Japan is an interesting case, you are right.

I spoke at length with people who have been there in June. Everything is clean and well organised, even the public transport. Everywhere you go, there are enough employees to render a good service.

The most interesting thing: the government does not care about the deficit. This indicates to me, that they plan to eventually write off all public debt. This has very little impact on the general population if you nationalise the banking sector and write off private debt as well.

The question is, can they pull it off without intervention from the rest of the world.

We will see.

The other case is China. They also have built up an enormous amount of debt. But because the banks there are not really private they can write off secretly any debt they want.

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

I could go on endlessly about this subject, but this is not the right forum.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 15, 2016, 11:30:33 PM
Japan is an interesting case, you are right.

I spoke at length with people who have been there in June. Everything is clean and well organised, even the public transport. Everywhere you go, there are enough employees to render a good service.

The most interesting thing: the government does not care about the deficit. This indicates to me, that they plan to eventually write off all public debt. This has very little impact on the general population if you nationalise the banking sector and write off private debt as well.

The question is, can they pull it off without intervention from the rest of the world.

We will see.

The other case is China. They also have built up an enormous amount of debt. But because the banks there are not really private they can write off secretly any debt they want.

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

I could go on endlessly about this subject, but this is not the right forum.

Greetings, Conrad

In the early 1980s, I had the discussion with the relative of a Chinese Official.

The Topic was:  Should Government increase the money supply to do infrastructure projects?

My argument was that if there were no increased money supply, one person getting richer will mean that another person will get poorer.  The increase , however, must be linked to something meaningful.

We need a new understanding of debt - especially Government Debt.

USA increases the money supply and trickles it down via Banks and large financial or other Organizations.  China is giving such increase to many projects - infrastructures and high technology catch-ups.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 17, 2016, 12:57:54 AM
Japan is an interesting case, you are right.

I spoke at length with people who have been there in June. Everything is clean and well organised, even the public transport. Everywhere you go, there are enough employees to render a good service.

The most interesting thing: the government does not care about the deficit. This indicates to me, that they plan to eventually write off all public debt. This has very little impact on the general population if you nationalise the banking sector and write off private debt as well.

The question is, can they pull it off without intervention from the rest of the world.

We will see.

The other case is China. They also have built up an enormous amount of debt. But because the banks there are not really private they can write off secretly any debt they want.

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

I could go on endlessly about this subject, but this is not the right forum.

Greetings, Conrad

I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

You are touching on the new economics.  Capital is no longer a scare resource. 

Chinese Government or consulting groups are talking about a bold scheme in relation to the plans after 2020.  By 2020, all Chinese should have risen above the poverty line as defined by United Nations.  One suggestion is to raise the standard of living of all minorities faster than the General Population.  They have been lacking behind for a long time.

In USA, they allowed casinos in the Native Indian Reserves.

The suggestion is
1. Turn the minority areas into top holiday resorts.
2. Build First Class Facilities
3. Announce that it is Government Policy.
4. Set up some semi-government funds to pump in the finances.
5. Get many citizens to invest - stating that the investment is partially supported by Government.  Priority will be given to the small investors.
6. The potential investors are encouraged to travel to these Holiday Resorts.
7. Ensure that the minority groups get much more financial benefits and job opportunities.  This will automatically reduce racial tension.
8. The General Public can benefit much from the stock investments.  It is a powerful win-win strategy.

Is that a better suggestion than building casinos?  The Chinese planners have brains...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 17, 2016, 05:16:56 AM
I suspect, that the USA and Europe have to do the same in principle. No country can pay back the debt it built up in the last thirty years.

You are touching on the new economics.  Capital is no longer a scare resource. 

Chinese Government or consulting groups are talking about a bold scheme in relation to the plans after 2020.  By 2020, all Chinese should have risen above the poverty line as defined by United Nations.  One suggestion is to raise the standard of living of all minorities faster than the General Population.  They have been lacking behind for a long time.


The worry is that some Governments increase the money supply recklessly.  Some may even start wars to destroy the hard earned wealth.  Some caused wars in other countries.  Why would Syria have the civil war if it had democracy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 17, 2016, 05:09:07 PM
Itseung888 wrote: We need a new understanding of debt - especially Government Debt.

Response: Unfortunatelly we understand debt too well. Debt is a common feature since at least 5000 years ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years ). Debt comes in many forms and always according to the possibilities of the era or epoch. To suppress people by physical force is wasteful and ineffective. Debt (like religion and politics) is a much more clever and well established way to keep the masses in line. A very bad feature of debt is that it has to grow exponentially in order to work. History has shown that dept growth in the first 30 to 40 years is sustainable but then it has to grow like grazy. Most of the time debt never reached the crazy growth periode because war, politcal unrest or natural disasters caused the eradication of the debt system early on. Therefore not many people accept the exponential growth debt cycles. Right now we are in the crazy growth zone and the only outcome is a crash or a rest by war, polical unrest or natural disaster.

(Remark: It is quite difficault to understand debt because the literature and the wisdom presented at universities are very confusing and contradicting. You have to read and understand a lot before your own judgment can set in. Most experts are self serving and of little help. And then there is too much conspiracy nonsense clouding everything. But relax, you do not want to know the truth anyway, it is too unsettling.)


Itseung888 wrote: The Chinese planners have brains...

Response: I am not so sure, historically the Chinese made the same mistakes related to debt. Nobody likes to learn from history and the Chinese are also people like the rest (greedy, self centered and power hungry).


Itseung888 wrote: Why would Syria have the civil war if it had democracy?

Response: Syria has a civil war mainly because of over population. This is also the reason for the civil war in Lybia and the unrest in most countries of Northafrica. It is hard to find an other basic cause for war besides over population.

Prediction: War, political unrest or a natural disaster will reset the current financial system (like it always happened). A financial crash is always mixed up with terrible times, and in the aftermath nobody will know why it happened.


Some hope: there was a clever system in Mesopotamia (more than 2000 years ago). Whenever a new king came to power, all clay tablets containing the debt records were smashed and a new debt cycle started. That worked well for about a century till some "clever" people ended this good way of handling debt because they were greedy. There is some hint to a similar system (7 year cycles) in the bible, but it is too vague. Could we set up a similar system (in a modern way)? I doubt it, you and me, we are too greedy (like everybody else since at least 5000 years).

Note: the state of the world reflects the mind of the people and your are like all other people (and I am the same, no exception). So, look at yourselve and you will understand the world.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 17, 2016, 09:33:09 PM
Itseung888 wrote: We need a new understanding of debt - especially Government Debt.
...

(Remark: It is quite difficault to understand debt because the literature and the wisdom presented at universities are very confusing and contradicting. You have to read and understand a lot before your own judgment can set in. Most experts are self serving and of little help. And then there is too much conspiracy nonsense clouding everything. But relax, you do not want to know the truth anyway, it is too unsettling.)

...
Greetings, Conrad

We can keep things simple.

1.  Debt is created when one party wants to get goods or services from another but he does not have the means to pay at that time. (Means includes money or other equivalent goods or services).  It is essentially a promise to pay.

2.  The more powerful side then developed ways to force the repayment.  This caused suffering and injustice.

3.  The more formal method of bankruptcy was introduced so that an individual or a company can get out of debt.  (or no longer keep the promise).

4.  Nations realized that they must increase the money supply so that their citizens can get richer.  The increase must be appropriately controlled.

5.  The increase can be created by State Banks from thin air and thus can be written off with the right reasons.  Citizens and other Nations will accept if they still trust that Nation.  Most Nations are doing the equivalent in any case.

6.  China is encouraging innovation in a big way.  Innovation carries big risks.  In other words, the innovators often cannot deliver the promised goods or services.  China (via State endorsed means) loans out money and is prepared to write off much such debts.

7.  USA relies on venture capitalists to fund innovations.  China is experimenting with new mechanisms.  China is relying on its massive foreign currency reserve and export capability to maintain that trust...

Chna can spend many millions on UFO technology.  If nothing materializes, just write off that debt.  If its lead-out energy flying saucers fly over United Nations...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 18, 2016, 11:05:50 PM
We talked about Mutual Credits between Nations for a long time.

There is no need to borrow and hence no debt.

Nation A gives X units of its currency to Nation B and vice versa.   Much initial planning must be done.  But it is a win-win strategy.  No debt is involved.  Nation B may be less developed.  It can use the money from Nation A to buy goods and services from Nation A.  Nation A has the currency of Nation B and can invest in Nation B.

Some people claimed to understand debt for over 5000 years but do they understand Mutual Credits???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 19, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
Some people claimed to understand debt for over 5000 years but do they understand Mutual Credits???

There are some good ideas to turn debt into something more just or social (like your Mutual Credit).

My argument is, that debt as a "power projection tool" or "govern the people tool" is the form of debt which is always re-invented by every culture or social system.

So, your nice Mutual Credit might be something good, but it is not wanted by the powers to be. The powerful always invent a debt system which keeps people in line (like the debt system we have right now).

To invent a "good debt system" is like the wish to turn all people into good people. A good "debt system" is like the wish to end war. It is like the wish to create "a good army, a good police, good judges, just wages, and so on".

We have the debt system we deserve!

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 19, 2016, 11:57:33 PM
There are some good ideas to turn debt into something more just or social (like your Mutual Credit).

My argument is, that debt as a "power projection tool" or "govern the people tool" is the form of debt which is always re-invented by every culture or social system.

So, your nice Mutual Credit might be something good, but it is not wanted by the powers to be. The powerful always invent a debt system which keeps people in line (like the debt system we have right now).

To invent a "good debt system" is like the wish to turn all people into good people. A good "debt system" is like the wish to end war. It is like the wish to create "a good army, a good police, good judges, just wages, and so on".

We have the debt system we deserve!

Greetings, Conrad

When a Nation wants to get its citizens rich, the mechanisms and resources far outweigh what individuals can master.  If the rulers want to get themselves rich only, it would be a different story.

1.  In previous times, some rulers conquered, colonialized and enslaved other nations and gave some of the spoils to its citizens.
2.  Industrialization created much wealth without the need for wars or conquests.
3.  State Capitalism showed that States can stimulate the economy and grow the pie much bigger and faster.
4.  World Trade , Globalization and Internet enabled much of the new wealth to be understood and shared.
5.  When USA and China reveal the UFO technology, there will be a new paradigm...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 20, 2016, 08:29:47 PM
5.  When USA and China reveal the UFO technology, there will be a new paradigm...

The aliens have come to save the world (may be unintentionally or for their own pleasure) and the US and China have the technology. Thank you for telling me, I would never have guessed. All will be good.

The Donald with UFO technology, what a bummer!

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 21, 2016, 12:14:24 AM
Why would a person take on the difficult task of President?

There will be personal benefits including wealth, fame and glory.  His supporters will benefit more than the rest.  When the rulers know that they can print money, they can direct more of the money into their pockets and supporters.

In some Nations, they claim no corruption but the infrastructure projects cost much more.  It is a legal way of channeling money.

The political party not in power is supposed to monitor but most of the time, it becomes a case of trying to take over power.

Thus we need to introduce super democracy...

Super Democracy is to have some elected representatives but much of the voting or deciding power still rest with the voters via the Internet.  Many policy debates will be conducted via the Internet forums...  The various political parties are encouraged to lay out their five year plans.  Every citizen can voice his opinion via the Internet Forums.  (Some foreigners are likely to comment also.)

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 21, 2016, 06:53:32 AM
The latest presentation file.

We realized that it was impossible to do the technical development in Hong Kong.  It is better to present what we know now and let other groups more appropriate to develop it.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: conradelektro on September 21, 2016, 09:52:25 AM
The latest presentation file.

We realized that it was impossible to do the technical development in Hong Kong.  It is better to present what we know now and let other groups more appropriate to develop it.

We realized that it is impossible to get reliable information.

It is better to let other groups more appropriate to verify such information.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 22, 2016, 01:32:32 AM
We realized that it is impossible to get reliable information.

It is better to let other groups more appropriate to verify such information.

Greetings, Conrad

The new skill to prosper in the Internet Era is to differentiate the vast sea of information.

This is specially true in the research and development area.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 24, 2016, 01:44:00 AM
The Chinese version of Globalization

1.  Any Nation can be developed if it adopts technology, technology and technology.
2.  Money or capital can be created by Sovereign  Nations.
3.  Mutual Credits will enable a rich Nation to get a poor nation rich without debts. It can be a win-win.
4.  There is no need for balanced trade between all Nations.
5.  The Global Economic Pie can be increased with knowledge and technology.
6.  The best way to get rich and remain rich is to help others get rich.
7.  Ethiopia has no oil but it is getting rich.  China is using a form of Mutual Credits?

The Western philosophy to help a Poor Nation is:
1.  Give Aid without need to pay back.  This encourages corruption and dependence.
2.  Borrow via World Bank or IMF for Infrastructures.  Much of the job actually goes back to the Developed Nation that have the technology.
3.  Encourage subsistence farming.  Instead of using the best technology, the poor Nation is encouraged to survive rather than get rich.

China is getting rich and its model is an inspiration to other Developing Nations...




Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 24, 2016, 07:00:21 AM
The big News in Hong Kong is use of Land for Development.  The accusation is that Government yields to the demands of the Powerful.

China is supposed to learn fro Hong Kong.  If it used the Hong Kong approach, none of the roads, bridges, dams and high speed rail could be built at the China pace...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 24, 2016, 08:58:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afKs8FZSVos&list=PL6I_7XXA2os4IXe7rn8F6GJx2LV5WDeD9

Chinese Orators

The TV series promoted some great speakers.  They can inspire.

The Chinese Miracle lies in the attitude of its people.  The percentage believing that they are going to have a better future is greater than 50%.  We enjoy the Olympics because we see that the athletes exert their very best.  The Media under State Capitalism try to project a positive image.  The free Press under democracy often attack the government and send out negative energy.

Can China Maintain a fast pace of development after 2020?  Will the Chinese people propose new meaningful economic activities beyond 2020?

The Chinese version of Globalization relies on mutual respect and growth of a bigger pie...  Love thy enemies.  Improve and share the technology - including the UFO technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 25, 2016, 12:51:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNuazSz9odU

One of the most inspirational speeches...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 26, 2016, 12:56:42 AM
Can China achieve the goal of the 13th Five Year Plan of removing poverty by 2020?

1.  China can swing large resources in that direction.
2.  Money is not a problem.  Print more if needed.
3.  People is not a problem.  The University Graduate Village Officials are qualified.
4.  Management is not a problem.  The Internet provides a powerful tool.  Every poor family has a plan to increase the standard of living.
5.  Technology and access to resources is much easier with high speed trains and communication infrastructures.

Can China deliver once more?  Can outside forces derail - Taiwan, Japan, South China Sea???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 28, 2016, 08:03:56 PM
China Ghost City Problem.

I was listening to two economists arguing the real Estate problem in China.

Economist 1: "China has many Ghost Cities.  There will be a bubble burst."

Economist 2: "With State Capitalism, China can just let the Ghost Cities stand,  It is like overproducing tomatoes.  One way is to cut prices and affect all growers.  Another way is to keep prices relatively stable and plough the tomatoes back."

Economist 1:"But many builders borrow money from Banks.  They have no means to pay back."

Economist 2:"Money from Banks were created from thin air.  The loans can be written off into thin air.  State Capitalism can do that..."

Property owners can rent to Government.  Government can turn the properties to low income housing without building too many low income housing itself.  The rents paid to property owners can be more than rents received.  The justification is that Governments saved on building construction.

The policy makers in China have more powerful tools than those in the average Developed Nation. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 28, 2016, 11:54:36 PM
China Ghost City Problem.

I was listening to two economists arguing the real Estate problem in China.

Economist 1: "China has many Ghost Cities.  There will be a bubble burst."

Economist 2: "With State Capitalism, China can just let the Ghost Cities stand,  It is like overproducing tomatoes.  One way is to cut prices and affect all growers.  Another way is to keep prices relatively stable and plough the tomatoes back."

Economist 1:"But many builders borrow money from Banks.  They have no means to pay back."

Economist 2:"Money from Banks were created from thin air.  The loans can be written off into thin air.  State Capitalism can do that..."

Property owners can rent to Government.  Government can turn the properties to low income housing without building too many low income housing itself.  The rents paid to property owners can be more than rents received.  The justification is that Governments saved on building construction.

The policy makers in China have more powerful tools than those in the average Developed Nation.

The talent of management will be shown on its handling of problems.  Governments, with its almost infinite capability to print money, can solve most problems.  In a two or more party system,  Party A may deliberately not solve the problem created by Party B because of political reasons.

China is likely to be able to solve all problems on its rising...  .

China can build roads, bridges, dams, high speed training and Cities.  Some may not be of the highest quality.  Can China fix such problems?  Have China got the unannounced UFO technology???

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 29, 2016, 11:48:52 PM
The power of management can also be seen in the handling of opportunities.

The New President of Philippines is openly anti-US.   Can China help

1.  In formulating Five Year Plans.
2.  Build the Communication Infrastructures - Internet and ecommerce.
3.  Pass the technology of building roads, bridges, tunnels, high speed trains, container ports etc.
4.  Joint development on disputed reefs.
5.  Support of anti-drug activities.  China suffered badly from opium at one time.  Now the Chinese anti-drugs laws carry the death sentence.  The Central American Drug activities did not stop because of soft human rights - giving the Drug Lords opportunity to use their money to corrupt Police and Judges...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 30, 2016, 10:25:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afKs8FZSVos&list=PL6I_7XXA2os4IXe7rn8F6GJx2LV5WDeD9

Chinese Orators

The TV series promoted some great speakers.  They can inspire.

The Chinese Miracle lies in the attitude of its people.  The percentage believing that they are going to have a better future is greater than 50%.  We enjoy the Olympics because we see that the athletes exert their very best.  The Media under State Capitalism try to project a positive image.  The free Press under democracy often attack the government and send out negative energy.

Can China Maintain a fast pace of development after 2020?  Will the Chinese people propose new meaningful economic activities beyond 2020?

The Chinese version of Globalization relies on mutual respect and growth of a bigger pie...  Love thy enemies.  Improve and share the technology - including the UFO technology.


The Chinese version of Globalization relies on mutual respect and growth of a bigger pie...  Love thy enemies.  Improve and share the technology - including the UFO technology.


Growing the pie is easiest in the undeveloped or developing countries.  They have real needs and improvement in living standards can be achieved readily.

The Chinese Model of State Capitalism produced results.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 03, 2016, 10:38:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6uaJdG1Rg

Middle Income trap

Can it be avoided with Five Year Plans and constructive Internet Forums???

China has become the factory of the World.  Now, there is over capacity in almost every product. 

China will become the biggest Market in the World after 2020.  The Government will find ways to put the increase in money supply to the pockets of the Citizens.  They will become eager consumers and digest the excess factory goods.

Will it be a Meaningful Economic Activity?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 03, 2016, 08:40:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6uaJdG1Rg

Middle Income trap

Can it be avoided with Five Year Plans and constructive Internet Forums???

China has become the factory of the World.  Now, there is over capacity in almost every product. 

China will become the biggest Market in the World after 2020.  The Government will find ways to put the increase in money supply to the pockets of the Citizens.  They will become eager consumers and digest the excess factory goods.

Will it be a Meaningful Economic Activity?

USA uses car and planes as the default transport.  China is using high speed rails and mass transit systems.  China can use the motor car more efficiently to reduce congestion and pollution.  One way is allow and encourage private cars to act as taxis.

The many internet forums allow the brilliant minds to identify problems and propose solutions.  One technique to manage franchises is via webcams and computers.  A successful enterprise can be copied or replicated quickly.  China is excellent in that aspect.

China can increase the money supply appropriately.  China can produce goods and services.  Creating the Market is relatively easy.  China can use Mutual Credits to provide win-win solutions for itself and other Nations.  China is focusing on technology, technology and technology.

Putting money into the pockets of the citizens is relatively easy.  It can range from direct deposits similar to Macau or increasing social benefits, health care, education and recreational facilities.  China can avoid the Middle Income Trap if it keeps up Five Year Plans and Internet Forums.  It can always look at the Singapore model

Implementing the UFO technology is always an option...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 04, 2016, 01:00:58 AM
From one Chinese Economist:

"The World can see the roads, bridges, high speed trains and made-in-China products.  Few can see us - the thinkers and planners of the Five Year Plans."

"The Roads and Bridges will not collapse because of the hard work and capability of the Engineers.  The Economy of China will not collapse because of us."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 04, 2016, 08:47:10 PM
The Chinese version of Globalization

1.  Any Nation can be developed if it adopts technology, technology and technology.
2.  Money or capital can be created by Sovereign  Nations.
3.  Mutual Credits will enable a rich Nation to get a poor nation rich without debts. It can be a win-win.
4.  There is no need for balanced trade between all Nations.
5.  The Global Economic Pie can be increased with knowledge and technology.
6.  The best way to get rich and remain rich is to help others get rich.
7.  Ethiopia has no oil but it is getting rich.  China is using a form of Mutual Credits?

The Western philosophy to help a Poor Nation is:
1.  Give Aid without need to pay back.  This encourages corruption and dependence.
2.  Borrow via World Bank or IMF for Infrastructures.  Much of the job actually goes back to the Developed Nation that have the technology.
3.  Encourage subsistence farming.  Instead of using the best technology, the poor Nation is encouraged to survive rather than get rich.

China is getting rich and its model is an inspiration to other Developing Nations...

The President of Philippines and Team will be visiting China in the coming days.  What can be achieved?

China can emphasize its version of Globalization.  The New Globalization technique is to get others rich at the same time.  Technology can be learned quickly with the Internet.  There is no need to rely on Military Power or side with any Military Power.  Mutual Credits is a win-win solution.  There can be joint development at the disputed reefs.  The installations can be towards peace and help in maritime safety.

China suffered badly from Opium at one time.  Any responsible Government must get rid of it and other drugs.  The drug lords and/or drug addicts will be given another chance if they turn themselves in.  Otherwise they will be dealt with harshly.

UFO technology will be shared when appropriate.  Meanwhile, bridges, roads, tunnels and high speed trains can be the infrastructure focus.  That will help to keep the GDP of Philippines growing at a fast pace for many years.  China can help in that aspect.  Five Year Plans can produce results.  Internet Forums can help to achieve Super Democracy.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 06, 2016, 06:58:21 PM
The Chinese version of Globalization

1.  Any Nation can be developed if it adopts technology, technology and technology.
2.  Money or capital can be created by Sovereign  Nations.
3.  Mutual Credits will enable a rich Nation to get a poor nation rich without debts. It can be a win-win.
4.  There is no need for balanced trade between all Nations.
5.  The Global Economic Pie can be increased with knowledge and technology.
6.  The best way to get rich and remain rich is to help others get rich.
7.  Ethiopia has no oil but it is getting rich.  China is using a form of Mutual Credits?

The Western philosophy to help a Poor Nation is:
1.  Give Aid without need to pay back.  This encourages corruption and dependence.
2.  Borrow via World Bank or IMF for Infrastructures.  Much of the job actually goes back to the Developed Nation that have the technology.
3.  Encourage subsistence farming.  Instead of using the best technology, the poor Nation is encouraged to survive rather than get rich.

China is getting rich and its model is an inspiration to other Developing Nations...

7.  Ethiopia has no oil but it is getting rich.  China is using a form of Mutual Credits?

The railway linking Addis Ababa to Djibouti is in operation.
Ethiopia-Djibouti electric railway line opens on Oct 5.  It will cut the travel time from days to 10 hours.  More are in the Five Year Plans.  China is funding the Infrastructure Projects.

Growing the Global Pie is easiest at the Developing Nations.  Funding is easy as money can be printed so long as the other Nations accept.  Modern Farms will produce more food for domestic consumption and for exports.  So long as the population growth is controlled, the living standards will greatly improve.
 
Technology can be learned and Industrial Parks or Science Parks are planned.

The New Way of getting rich is to help others to get rich.  There is no need for Conquest, Colonialism or Slavery.  There is no need for Military Supremacy.   This is the new Globalization.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 06, 2016, 07:33:23 PM
China may be running out of good Infrastructure Projects.  But Ethiopia and other African Nations???

The excess capacity can benefit these Nations.  The Chinese Engineers have avenue to further enrich their skills.  Win-win...

GDP growth in China and in African Nations can remain strong...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 08, 2016, 09:36:18 AM
China may be running out of good Infrastructure Projects.  But Ethiopia and other African Nations???

The excess capacity can benefit these Nations.  The Chinese Engineers have avenue to further enrich their skills.  Win-win...

GDP growth in China and in African Nations can remain strong...

Singapore is stable with ONE party in power for decades.   The secret is that the Party can delivery on its promises.  The Five Year Plans got fulfilled.  The GDP per capita keeps on increasing.

China is stable with ONE party in power for decades.   The secret is that the Party can delivery on its promises.  The Five Year Plans got fulfilled.  The GDP per capita keeps on increasing.

Any Nation can be stable with ONE party in power for decades.   The secret is that the Party can delivery on its promises.  The Five Year Plans got fulfilled.  The GDP per capita keeps on increasing.

In Singapore, the voters keep voting for the Party. 

In China, the Five Year Plans can be discussed by all.  The long term vision is Globalization - get other Nations rich at the same time.  Increase the size of the Global Pie.  Let other Developing Nations get more benefit...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 10, 2016, 01:54:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDQsqx6ZSSQ

The New Silk Road

China is getting rich by helping others to get rich...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 10, 2016, 06:37:27 AM
China learns fast.  Many Companies can build Cities, Dams, Roads, Bridges, Ports, Airports, Railways, Power Stations, Internet and other Infrastructure Projects.

Capital is not a problem.  Money can be printed from thin air.  Technology has been mastered by China and China is willing to transfer the technology.  Raw material is not a problem.  Oil and Iron ores are relatively cheap.  If China supplies all capital and technology to build an Infrastructure in Africa and the African Nation learns the technology, is that a meaningful economic activity?

If China uses Mutual Credits, there will be no loans to repay.  China can use the Currency of the African Nation to build Hotels, Shopping Centers or Residential Buildings in Special Economic Zones of the African Nation.  The property value will increase.  The GDP of both China and the African Nation will increase.  Is that much better than giving aid?

Modern Farms in the African Nation will provide food security for both Nations.  Forget subsistence farming.  Apply technology to agriculture.  Will Ethiopia be a Model?

China has found a new way to project its power and influence without Military Actions.  Help others get rich.

Sharing UFO technology will be the next step???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 10, 2016, 02:28:41 PM
China learns fast.  Many Companies can build Cities, Dams, Roads, Bridges, Ports, Airports, Railways, Power Stations, Internet and other Infrastructure Projects.

Capital is not a problem.  Money can be printed from thin air.  Technology has been mastered by China and China is willing to transfer the technology.  Raw material is not a problem.  Oil and Iron ores are relatively cheap.  If China supplies all capital and technology to build an Infrastructure in Africa and the African Nation learns the technology, is that a meaningful economic activity?

If China uses Mutual Credits, there will be no loans to repay.  China can use the Currency of the African Nation to build Hotels, Shopping Centers or Residential Buildings in Special Economic Zones of the African Nation.  The property value will increase.  The GDP of both China and the African Nation will increase.  Is that much better than giving aid?

Modern Farms in the African Nation will provide food security for both Nations.  Forget subsistence farming.  Apply technology to agriculture.  Will Ethiopia be a Model?

China has found a new way to project its power and influence without Military Actions.  Help others get rich.

Sharing UFO technology will be the next step???

Capital is not a problem.  Money can be printed from thin air.

China is supplementing World Bank and IMF with its own banks and other new International Banks.  The Money will mainly target large Infrastructure Projects.  These Projects can be seen by all.  It can also be seen as increasing the Global Pie.  Developing Nations need much more infrastructures than Developed Nations.  They need more capital than supplied by World Bank or IMF (controlled by USA).  World Bank and IMF effectively create money from thin air.  But they often impose political conditions.

China impose less political conditions.  China can build Infrastructures.  China can control or have much greater say in the New Banks.  Money is still created from thin air but the Power behind is China.  Soon the Infrastructures supported by these New Banks will overwhelm those supported by the USA backed World Bank or IMF. 

China can effectively project its influence and power without Military Actions.

UFO technology will come out...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 10, 2016, 06:38:12 PM
One question from a Senior Citizen

"Is it better to put resources to build a road or is it better to train a Volley Ball team?"

Both can bring happiness, pride and inspiration.  They serve different purposes but both are Meaningful Economic Activities.  Both should be encouraged.

Different organizations and individuals have different talent and skills.  All can inspire when they devote their very best.  All can do their part - no matter how small.  A welcome smile to the visitors; buying and enjoying a piece of chocolate; refraining from opium and drugs; posting an encouraging remark on the Internet etc.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 11, 2016, 01:13:03 AM
Watched the USA Presidential Debate.

If the best candidate is in the form of Donald Trump, the respect for USA political system is greatly diminished.  It was like the Financial Crisis of 2008.  The highly awed USA financial system was questioned.  Goldman Sachs, Solomon Brothers, the Fed, World Bank and IMF were no longer Idols.

USA printed money and trickled down through its banking system to solve the financial crisis.  China printed money and accelerated its building of Infrastructures.  The result showed that the Chinese achievement was much better.  That gave confidence to the Chinese Leaders that Capital is not a rare commodity.

The fast pace of development can be sustained.  Capital is not a problem.  Technology is not a problem.  Material Resource is not a problem.  Planning is not a problem.  When Officials are rated on their ability to increase GDP and help citizens get richer, they will spot every possible opportunity - especially when they are encouraged to get rich themselves and be examples of wealth generation.

Now China is increasing the Global Pie with vision of the Silk Road.  More money will be created by China and more Chinese Built Infrastructures will spring up worldwide.  USA will no longer dictate the World Order.  Will it introduce the UFO technology first?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 11, 2016, 12:03:02 PM
Capital is not a problem.  Money can be printed from thin air.

China is supplementing World Bank and IMF with its own banks and other new International Banks.  The Money will mainly target large Infrastructure Projects.  These Projects can be seen by all.  It can also be seen as increasing the Global Pie.  Developing Nations need much more infrastructures than Developed Nations.  They need more capital than supplied by World Bank or IMF (controlled by USA).  World Bank and IMF effectively create money from thin air.  But they often impose political conditions.

China impose less political conditions.  China can build Infrastructures.  China can control or have much greater say in the New Banks.  Money is still created from thin air but the Power behind is China.  Soon the Infrastructures supported by these New Banks will overwhelm those supported by the USA backed World Bank or IMF. 

China can effectively project its influence and power without Military Actions.

UFO technology will come out...

China can build Infrastructures.  China can control or have much greater say in the New Banks.  Money is still created from thin air but the Power behind is China.  Soon the Infrastructures supported by these New Banks will overwhelm those supported by the USA backed World Bank or IMF. 

One hidden agenda for the World Bank or IMF is that the loan should be repaid even though the money was created from thin air.
 
China understands that hidden agenda very well.  China has learned that money can be created from thin air and can be written off into thin air.  The building of Infrastructures contributes to the growth of the Global Pie.  The capability of the Developing Nations will greatly increase.  Globalization is not just about making China rich.  It is about getting other Nations rich also.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 11, 2016, 12:13:24 PM
China can build Infrastructures.  China can control or have much greater say in the New Banks.  Money is still created from thin air but the Power behind is China.  Soon the Infrastructures supported by these New Banks will overwhelm those supported by the USA backed World Bank or IMF. 

One hidden agenda for the World Bank or IMF is that the loan should be repaid even though the money was created from thin air.
 
China understands that hidden agenda very well.  China has learned that money can be created from thin air and can be written off into thin air.  The building of Infrastructures contributes to the growth of the Global Pie.  The capability of the Developing Nations will greatly increase.  Globalization is not just about making China rich.  It is about getting other Nations rich also.

Will USA or the Funds be able to mount another Asian Financial Crisis?  The top economists in China are playing the what-if games.  The Computer models will not be overlooked.  If the Chinese Currency is backed by Infrastructures both inside and outside China, any currency or stock market attack will only be of short duration.  The Infrastructures will support real Meaningful Economic Activities.

UFO technologies will give rise to a new paradigm...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 13, 2016, 12:11:16 AM
Will USA or the Funds be able to mount another Asian Financial Crisis?  The top economists in China are playing the what-if games.  The Computer models will not be overlooked.  If the Chinese Currency is backed by Infrastructures both inside and outside China, any currency or stock market attack will only be of short duration.  The Infrastructures will support real Meaningful Economic Activities.
 
UFO technologies will give rislle to a new paradigm...

The things that can derail China are:

1.  The Taiwan issue.  If Taiwan were to declare independence, China might take on irrational moves.  China may use economic pressure.  China may show force or even wage limited war.  That will defeat the long term Globalization Goal.

2.  The border disputes.  Disputes with Japan, Vietnam, Philippines etc. over reefs or islands.  Politicians often use Nationalism to achieve their own agenda.  There is no real financial interest or need over those reefs.

3.  Fear of Dominance from a Foreign Power.  Many Nations suffered from Colonialism in the past.  There is automatic suspicion over any relationship. 

4.  Deliberate lies or misleading information from the established Nations.  This is to be expected. 

5.  An all out Nuclear War.  The likelihood at present is not high. 

What should China do?

1.  Have many forums and TV programs to describe its development.  Focus on the success of the Five Year Plans and the coming Plans.

2.  Promote the Globalization Vision.  Promote the fact that Capital is not a rare resource.  Technology is the key to development.  China encouraged foreign companies to use its cheap labor force to make products and make money.  During that process, China learned and improved on the technology.

3.  Work with other Nations to have alternative to the USA dominated World Bank and IMF. Create Money from thin air to help develop the needed infrastructures of many developing nations.  USA and allies will attack the intentions and spread fear.  China can support a few Nations heavily such as Ethiopia.  Let the World see a few shining examples.

4.  Downplay the border disputes.  Share the development at the Reefs.  Focus on non-military applications.

5.  Downplay the Taiwan issue.  Talk about the break-up of USSR.  Globalization will slowly dissolve National Borders.  Internet is bringing the World much closer.  UFO technology will give rise to a new paradigm...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 13, 2016, 03:34:56 AM
7.  Ethiopia has no oil but it is getting rich.  China is using a form of Mutual Credits?

The railway linking Addis Ababa to Djibouti is in operation.
Ethiopia-Djibouti electric railway line opens on Oct 5.  It will cut the travel time from days to 10 hours.  More are in the Five Year Plans.  China is funding the Infrastructure Projects.

Growing the Global Pie is easiest at the Developing Nations.  Funding is easy as money can be printed so long as the other Nations accept.  Modern Farms will produce more food for domestic consumption and for exports.  So long as the population growth is controlled, the living standards will greatly improve.
 
Technology can be learned and Industrial Parks or Science Parks are planned.

The New Way of getting rich is to help others to get rich.  There is no need for Conquest, Colonialism or Slavery.  There is no need for Military Supremacy.   This is the new Globalization.

Money is created from thin air.  Citizens cannot get richer if the Government does not increase the money supply.  But the increase must be linked to growth of Meaningful Economic Activities.

For Example, Ethiopia gave a five year contract for China to manage the new Railway.  Meanwhile, it will learn and take over that role after 5 years.  Technology can be learned.

Much more infrastructure work is being done in Ethiopia.  Where does the money come from?  That question was asked by China many years ago.  The answer - learn the technology.  If a Nation prints 1 billion dollars to construct a road, the road will be an asset.  It will facilitate communication.  It will provide many jobs.  It will stimulate many related industries.  Can the Nation use its own resources to build the road?  If it can, print the money.

If it cannot, get help and learn.  Build a small section first.  If help can come from a Nation wanting to increase its influence like China, study the terms.  When the Global Pie increases, all can enjoy.  If the Pie grows in Ethiopia, Ethiopia will enjoy more.

Developing Cities is even easier.  The jobs will be local.  The buildings will benefit the locals more.  Citizens can see the buildings.  Examine and study every detail of how China rises.  Avoid the mistakes.  Improve on the successes.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 16, 2016, 09:49:16 PM
Money is created from thin air.  Citizens cannot get richer if the Government does not increase the money supply.  But the increase must be linked to growth of Meaningful Economic Activities.


Mongolia did not master the art of printing money well.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 17, 2016, 10:17:42 PM
Mongolia did not master the art of printing money well.

The discussion was - how would you advice Mongolia?

1.  Mongolia has a small population of around 3 million but a large land mass.
2.  Most the land is desert but the mineral resources are vast.
3.  The weather is hash.  The people still rely on herds grazing on grassland.  The animals can die in bad weather and the wealth quickly diminishes.
4.  Mongolia is on the Silk Road - linking China and Russia.
5.  The most important infrastructure in such an environment is Internet and education.  There is enough meat but not enough agriculture.  Learn the Israel technique of growing food with little water.
6.  Instead of sending animals out, bring the grass in.  Practice modern farming and raising of animals.
7.  Find the most efficient way of heating the homes (tents are not efficient).  Consider energy efficient buildings with wind and solar.
8.  Use the best mining techniques.  Do not pollute the environment or water resources.
9.  Use the Silk Road project to build relationship with many different countries.  Do not just rely on China and Russia.
10. Learn technology, technology and technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 18, 2016, 06:07:20 PM
The discussion was - how would you advice Mongolia?

1.  Mongolia has a small population of around 3 million but a large land mass.
2.  Most the land is desert but the mineral resources are vast.
3.  The weather is hash.  The people still rely on herds grazing on grassland.  The animals can die in bad weather and the wealth quickly diminishes.
4.  Mongolia is on the Silk Road - linking China and Russia.
5.  The most important infrastructure in such an environment is Internet and education.  There is enough meat but not enough agriculture.  Learn the Israel technique of growing food with little water.
6.  Instead of sending animals out, bring the grass in.  Practice modern farming and raising of animals.
7.  Find the most efficient way of heating the homes (tents are not efficient).  Consider energy efficient buildings with wind and solar.
8.  Use the best mining techniques.  Do not pollute the environment or water resources.
9.  Use the Silk Road project to build relationship with many different countries.  Do not just rely on China and Russia.
10. Learn technology, technology and technology.

One comment:

Why should the Mongolia people change their nomadic way of life?  So long as they are happy, that is good enough.

Are they really happy - no electricity, no running water, no central heating, no education, no Internet???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Hope on October 18, 2016, 06:32:01 PM
here is a prototype propulsion of an engine of a ufo.
and it is also the prototype of the death ray of tesla.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj4_KnRAMSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj4_KnRAMSA)
wonder if this works with charges, lines of force, magnetics, low energy matters too   hehe   but really this is a small thought jotter down, but it is a huge idea.

To KILL A WEIGHT VERTICALLY YOU NEED A CENTRIFUGAL FORCE HORIZONTALLY. 8) 
HAPPY EXPERIMENTING. ITS REALLY FUN. :D


 ;D
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 20, 2016, 10:14:08 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/philippine-leader-duterte-ditches-u-s-china-says-america-has-n670066


In politics, you never have permanent friends or enemies.


Can China and Philippines produce a win-win example - similar to China-Ethiopia?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 21, 2016, 02:51:00 AM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/philippine-leader-duterte-ditches-u-s-china-says-america-has-n670066 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/philippine-leader-duterte-ditches-u-s-china-says-america-has-n670066)

In politics, you never have permanent friends or enemies.

Can China and Philippines produce a win-win example - similar to China-Ethiopia?


Capital can be created - by China and Philippines.  Building Infrastructure technology is well developed in China.  Philippines can learn easily.  If Philippines were to link its many islands with railway, tunnels and bridges, there would be a great opportunity for co-operation.  Mutual Credits?


China suffered badly with the evil opium at one time.  Dealing harshly with drug lords is not violation of human rights.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 21, 2016, 06:52:11 PM


Capital can be created - by China and Philippines.  Building Infrastructure technology is well developed in China.  Philippines can learn easily.  If Philippines were to link its many islands with railway, tunnels and bridges, there would be a great opportunity for co-operation.  Mutual Credits?

China suffered badly with the evil opium at one time.  Dealing harshly with drug lords is not violation of human rights.


Philippines is extremely good with Business Processing (Call Centers).  That proves a high degree of education and learning capability.  Learning technology will not be a problem.  Building fast Internet connections and physical infrastructures will not be problems.  There is good currency reserve and also a steady stream sent home from aboard.


China wants to break the USA encirclement.  It has excess infrastructure building capability and knowledge.  Capital, knowledge, willingness are all present.  Just look at the Five Year Plans of both Nations and find common ground.  Win-win scenarios can be found easily.


China definitely supports the harsh drug lord handling.  Drugs lead to high crime rates and human suffering and degrading.  China can show some clever poverty reduction techniques.   If Government Officials are rated on their capability to increase the GDP and poverty reduction, miracles will happen.  If some of them are encouraged to become wealthy openly to be examples, more miracles will happen...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 21, 2016, 07:42:50 PM
Can building Infrastructures in other Nations improve the GDP of China?

The roads, bridges, tunnels, seaports, airports will become the asset of the other Nations.  But much of the construction work and materials are from China.  (Does it really matter if there were no short term return or long term repayment of loans?)  The Global Economic Pie is increased.  If the other Nations learn the technology and become developed and rich,  will we have a better world?

Think of it as the New Globalization.  Why focus narrowly on GDP?

Human Technology extends to all corners of the Earth.  UFO technology will extend to all corners of the Universe?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 22, 2016, 12:31:16 AM


Philippines is extremely good with Business Processing (Call Centers).  That proves a high degree of education and learning capability.  Learning technology will not be a problem.  Building fast Internet connections and physical infrastructures will not be problems.  There is good currency reserve and also a steady stream sent home from aboard.

China wants to break the USA encirclement.  It has excess infrastructure building capability and knowledge.  Capital, knowledge, willingness are all present.  Just look at the Five Year Plans of both Nations and find common ground.  Win-win scenarios can be found easily.

China definitely supports the harsh drug lord handling.  Drugs lead to high crime rates and human suffering and degrading.  China can show some clever poverty reduction techniques.   If Government Officials are rated on their capability to increase the GDP and poverty reduction, miracles will happen.  If some of them are encouraged to become wealthy openly to be examples, more miracles will happen...


Philippines can be the first Nation in the World to implement Super Democracy.  In Super Democracy, every voter can vote on key issues daily via the Internet.  They can also have normal elections.  Before every key issue is voted, there will be Internet Forum Discussions.  Filipinos will be proud. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 22, 2016, 12:48:17 AM

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/21/china-and-the-philippines-could-ink-oil-exploration-deal-in-south-china-sea.html

 China and the Philippines could begin exploiting long-untapped energy reserves in the South China Sea, according to reports coming out of this week's meeting between Filipino President Rodrigo Duterte and high-ranking Chinese officials — including a Thursday sit-down with Chinese President Xi Jinping — in Beijing. How soon that may happen remains unclear, however, as Duterte cautioned reporters that he has not been empowered by his Congress to finalize any energy exploration deal with his Chinese counterpart.

Earlier reports by Philippine newspaper the "Inquirer" suggested that Beijing and Duterte were set to enter into an agreement to explore for energy sources in a part of the South China Sea close to the Philippine coastline.


***The suggestion itself is significant.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 22, 2016, 01:13:09 AM


Can building Infrastructures in other Nations improve the GDP of China?

The roads, bridges, tunnels, seaports, airports will become the asset of the other Nations.  But much of the construction work and materials are from China.  (Does it really matter if there were no short term return or long term repayment of loans?)  The Global Economic Pie is increased.  If the other Nations learn the technology and become developed and rich,  will we have a better world?

Think of it as the New Globalization.  Why focus narrowly on GDP?

Human Technology extends to all corners of the Earth.  UFO technology will extend to all corners of the Universe?


If China and Philippines have joint ventures to build "holiday resorts" for both tourists and act as shelters for locals in times of typhoons, what will happen?  Would that be considered Infrastructure building and contribute to GDP growth?  Can it be linked to low-income housing?  Can the buildings be high tech that can withstand typhoons, earthquakes and have good internet access?

How many Islands can benefit?  Mutual credits will enable Philippines to have Chinese Currency to build Infrastructures.  Investors from China can use the Philippine currency to build such holiday resorts.

Win-win and higher growth rates for both.  Global economic pie increases.


Such innovative ideas can be raised and discussed. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 22, 2016, 02:07:21 AM


Philippines is extremely good with Business Processing (Call Centers).  That proves a high degree of education and learning capability.  Learning technology will not be a problem.  Building fast Internet connections and physical infrastructures will not be problems.  There is good currency reserve and also a steady stream sent home from aboard.

China wants to break the USA encirclement.  It has excess infrastructure building capability and knowledge.  Capital, knowledge, willingness are all present.  Just look at the Five Year Plans of both Nations and find common ground.  Win-win scenarios can be found easily.

China definitely supports the harsh drug lord handling.  Drugs lead to high crime rates and human suffering and degrading.  China can show some clever poverty reduction techniques.   If Government Officials are rated on their capability to increase the GDP and poverty reduction, miracles will happen.  If some of them are encouraged to become wealthy openly to be examples, more miracles will happen...


With the present Internet technology, any Company can monitor the operation of its many branches or franchises worldwide.  If Philippines links that with tax shelters, will that be an innovative Meaningful Economic Activity?


Philippines can bypass the "Factory of the World" phase and leapfrog into the "information and knowledge" phase.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 22, 2016, 10:39:41 AM

Philippines and Russia.


The President of Philippines has said that he is interested to visit Russia. (Russia, China and Philippines against the World).  Philippines will no longer be the small, brown brother of USA.


Any cooperation will be seen as a win-win.  Russia is better than China in the field of aviation - planes and helicopters. 



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 23, 2016, 12:02:23 AM

Capital can be created - by China and Philippines.  Building Infrastructure technology is well developed in China.  Philippines can learn easily.  If Philippines were to link its many islands with railway, tunnels and bridges, there would be a great opportunity for co-operation.  Mutual Credits?


In reality, any sovereign Nation can increase its money supply.  Will its citizens trust it? Will other Nations trust it?  Will another Nation deliberately destroy that trust?

China has learned the rules of the game.  It can keep building infrastructures and create more Meaningful Economic Activities. Previously, it encouraged other Nations to set up factories and used its cheap labor force to produce goods.  The brilliance is learning and improving the technology, technology and technology.

When the financial crisis of the West came in 2008, China was encouraged to increase its money supply sharply to "help to save the World Economy".   USA and other Developed Nations also increased their own money supply (even up to now).  China and every economist should have learned that capital is not a rare commodity.  In fact, it is the most abundant resource and virtually limitless.  It is just a matter of trust.

That trust can come from consensus or from actual useful products or services.  Infrastructures are the useful products that can be seen.  The hidden secret is the Meaningful Economic Activities.   Building a road is meaningful at the beginning.  But too many roads within a Country will become less and less Meaningful.  The next step can be building roads in another Nation with insufficient roads. 

In colonial times, the colonial master will conquer and enslave the other Nation before building the road. Now, the World has learned that the best way for a Nation to become rich and remain rich is to help other Nations get rich.  USA actually used the Marshal Plan to get Germany, England, France and Japan etc. to become rich.

China is trying to do something similar.  It tries to involve BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa).  It tries to use the Silk Road with many Countries.  It tries to directly involve some African Nations such as Ethiopia.  If USA can use the Dollar as the capital to stimulate the economy of the Marshal Plan Nations, can China use the RMB to do something similar? 

Should China work within the framework of World Bank or IMF which are dominated by USA?  Should China work on its own?  Should China use new organizations such as BRICS or Silk Road Funds? 

Should China introduce the UFO technology and get the World on a new paradigm now?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 23, 2016, 09:38:16 AM

In reality, any sovereign Nation can increase its money supply.  Will its citizens trust it? Will other Nations trust it?  Will another Nation deliberately destroy that trust?

China has learned the rules of the game.  It can keep building infrastructures and create more Meaningful Economic Activities. Previously, it encouraged other Nations to set up factories and used its cheap labor force to produce goods.  The brilliance is learning and improving the technology, technology and technology.

When the financial crisis of the West came in 2008, China was encouraged to increase its money supply sharply to "help to save the World Economy".   USA and other Developed Nations also increased their own money supply (even up to now).  China and every economist should have learned that capital is not a rare commodity.  In fact, it is the most abundant resource and virtually limitless.  It is just a matter of trust.

That trust can come from consensus or from actual useful products or services.  Infrastructures are the useful products that can be seen.  The hidden secret is the Meaningful Economic Activities.   Building a road is meaningful at the beginning.  But too many roads within a Country will become less and less Meaningful.  The next step can be building roads in another Nation with insufficient roads. 

In colonial times, the colonial master will conquer and enslave the other Nation before building the road. Now, the World has learned that the best way for a Nation to become rich and remain rich is to help other Nations get rich.  USA actually used the Marshal Plan to get Germany, England, France and Japan etc. to become rich.

China is trying to do something similar.  It tries to involve BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa).  It tries to use the Silk Road with many Countries.  It tries to directly involve some African Nations such as Ethiopia.  If USA can use the Dollar as the capital to stimulate the economy of the Marshal Plan Nations, can China use the RMB to do something similar? 

Should China work within the framework of World Bank or IMF which are dominated by USA?  Should China work on its own?  Should China use new organizations such as BRICS or Silk Road Funds? 

Should China introduce the UFO technology and get the World on a new paradigm now?


Comment:


Trust in the limitless paper currency?  I buy gold and real estate.  I can enjoy the living and the steady rent.  So far, that has not failed me yet.


Tseung:
That is OK for an individual.  But a Nation is different.  There is insufficient gold to guarantee the value of the vast amount of World Currency.  Nation A wants to trust that its cooperating Nation B have the ability and technology to provide "something" in return if and when needed.  Nation A may never "need it".  An individual can enjoy a spacious mansion but when it gets too big... 


The new philosophy of a Nation wanting to get rich and remain rich should get other Nations rich will take sometime to sink in.  (A friend called me total nuts when he heard my presentation.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 23, 2016, 02:07:59 PM


 The building of the Modern Silk Road.

There are four important elements to consider:
1.       Plan together.
2.       Build together.
3.       Enjoy together.
4.       Win together.

1.       Plan together.  The Internet Forums are great planning tools.  Much of the information is shared before any significant project is embarked.
2.       Build together.  Technology must be learned and mastered.  The maintenance of the infrastructures will be performed by the locals.
3.       Enjoy together.  The fruits must be shared.  Every significant progress or structure will be celebrated.
4.       Win together.  The Marshall Plan after the Second World War helped Europe and Japan to recover and prosper quickly.  Enemies became friends.  The Modern Silk Road will get many Developing Nations developed.


Capital is no longer a scare resource.  Technology can be learned quickly.  The Five Year Plans from many Nations can be shared.

If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help to get others rich.  The lesson of the Marshall Plan must not be forgotten…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 24, 2016, 01:11:56 AM


 The building of the Modern Silk Road.

There are four important elements to consider:
1.       Plan together.
2.       Build together.
3.       Enjoy together.
4.       Win together.

1.       Plan together.  The Internet Forums are great planning tools.  Much of the information is shared before any significant project is embarked.
2.       Build together.  Technology must be learned and mastered.  The maintenance of the infrastructures will be performed by the locals.
3.       Enjoy together.  The fruits must be shared.  Every significant progress or structure will be celebrated.
4.       Win together.  The Marshall Plan after the Second World War helped Europe and Japan to recover and prosper quickly.  Enemies became friends.  The Modern Silk Road will get many Developing Nations developed.

Capital is no longer a scare resource.  Technology can be learned quickly.  The Five Year Plans from many Nations can be shared.

If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help to get others rich.  The lesson of the Marshall Plan must not be forgotten…

In the case of Mongolia, there can be containers of hey by trucks first.  The hey can be delivered to selected sites with extremely efficient and modern shelters for humans and animals.  Electricity and running water will be a must.  Agricultural machines and best modern technology to produce food for man and animals will be introduced.

The Nomadic Mongos  will see the advantage of the Modern ways - especially if Internet is available.  Traditional grazing will overgraze and do not allow nature to easily recover.  They will slowly believe the numbers in their Bank accounts represent wealth and not just the size of their herd.

Such regional considerations will make the Modern Silk Road Project a success.  Plan together.

***Some Officials are encouraged to use such techniques and be examples of wealth generators.  Modify and improve the China experience.  Miracles will happen...


***Much can be done before the introduction of the UFO technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 24, 2016, 10:26:36 AM

 MANILA -- Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte returned home from China on Friday with $24 billion in deals after promising his hosts that a festering territorial dispute in the South China Sea can be resolved through bilateral talks.

Duterte's four-day visit to China yielded $15 billion in project commitments and $9 billion in credit lines from Chinese companies and banks, Trade Secretary Ramon Lopez said in a text message on Friday.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 25, 2016, 12:24:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXN9k0Qa__0


UFO and aliens as known in Russia.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 25, 2016, 01:33:53 AM

 Why the competition between USA and China is good for the World.
1.       When a Country is developed, the Citizens have food, shelter, cars, TV, entertainment, good education.  They are respected everywhere they travel.
2.       They have excess capability such as building infrastructures but they have already built enough infrastructures within their country.  They accept a slower growth and claim that it is a natural feature once a country is developed.
3.       China found that with its Five Year Plans, it could continue at a fast pace of development. It wants to be the number one Nation in the World.  It examines the USA model and the USA leadership secrets.
4.       China found that the USA secret lies in technology, technology and technology.  USA was able to pour technology into focused areas – the space program is a good example.  Much of the technology came from outside – Germany and other immigrants.  Capital was not a problem – the money could come from thin air.  If the USA public supports something, the Congress can authorize more money to be printed.
5.       The money for the Marshall Plan was created from thin air.  If a Nation does not increase its money supply, its citizens cannot be richer.(One person getting richer will mean another getting poorer.)  Money can be a stimuli for economic growth.  With the Marshall Plan, money was printed by USA first.  It was used successfully to help Europe and Japan recover from World War II.
6.       The Developed Nations watched the rest of the World.  At one time, USSR was leading the other camp.  USSR even led the Space Race at the beginning.  Its leadership lost self-confidence and the country broke up.
7.       When China opened up to the World in the 1980s, its economy was in ruins.  The Cultural Revolution tore its society apart and nobody could see its rapid pace of growth.
8.       China opened its doors.  It essentially said: “Made money using my cheap labor force.  Pollute my environment if needed.  Change my political system away from the Mao and communist philosophy.  I want to learn technology, technology and technology.”
9.       China not only learned but also improved on the technology and the management skills. In a few short decades, the economy changed from deficient to having excess capabilities.  It can produce more food, build more shelters, create more infrastructures than supplying its citizens.
10.   It can accept a much slower rate of growth like many Developed Nations.  It can simply accept the USA dominance like Japan and Europe.  It can watch the Developing Nations struggle and “donate a few pints of blood”.
11.   However, China knows that with its much larger population mastering technology, technology and technology, it will overtake USA as the number one economic power sooner or later.  One way to keep its citizens motivated and the economy growing is to expand beyond its borders.
12.   The expansion must not be a repeat of the evil colonialism.  Capital can be created.  Technology can be mastered.  Win-win can happen.  China showed a different but successful development model to the World.  If China can go from a poor Nation in 1970s to a Developed Nation within 3 or 4 decades, any Country can learn from that model.
13.   China can help with Capital (as it is created from thin air) and technology (it copied and improved from others).  If Japan, Europe or even USA want to help the Developing Nations in a similar way, so much the better.
14.  If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, the best way is to help other Nations get rich.
15.   The UFO technology is here already.  Which Nation will introduce it?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 25, 2016, 04:19:43 AM

Why the competition between USA and China is good for the World.
1.       When a Country is developed, the Citizens have food, shelter, cars, TV, entertainment, good education.  They are respected everywhere they travel.
2.       They have excess capability such as building infrastructures but they have already built enough infrastructures within their country.  They accept a slower growth and claim that it is a natural feature once a country is developed.
3.       China found that with its Five Year Plans, it could continue at a fast pace of development. It wants to be the number one Nation in the World.  It examines the USA model and the USA leadership secrets.
4.       China found that the USA secret lies in technology, technology and technology.  USA was able to pour technology into focused areas – the space program is a good example.  Much of the technology came from outside – Germany and other immigrants.  Capital was not a problem – the money could come from thin air.  If the USA public supports something, the Congress can authorize more money to be printed.
5.       The money for the Marshall Plan was created from thin air.  If a Nation does not increase its money supply, its citizens cannot be richer.(One person getting richer will mean another getting poorer.)  Money can be a stimuli for economic growth.  With the Marshall Plan, money was printed by USA first.  It was used successfully to help Europe and Japan recover from World War II.
6.       The Developed Nations watched the rest of the World.  At one time, USSR was leading the other camp.  USSR even led the Space Race at the beginning.  Its leadership lost self-confidence and the country broke up.
7.       When China opened up to the World in the 1980s, its economy was in ruins.  The Cultural Revolution tore its society apart and nobody could see its rapid pace of growth.
8.       China opened its doors.  It essentially said: “Made money using my cheap labor force.  Pollute my environment if needed.  Change my political system away from the Mao and communist philosophy.  I want to learn technology, technology and technology.”
9.       China not only learned but also improved on the technology and the management skills. In a few short decades, the economy changed from deficient to having excess capabilities.  It can produce more food, build more shelters, create more infrastructures than supplying its citizens.
10.   It can accept a much slower rate of growth like many Developed Nations.  It can simply accept the USA dominance like Japan and Europe.  It can watch the Developing Nations struggle and “donate a few pints of blood”.
11.   However, China knows that with its much larger population mastering technology, technology and technology, it will overtake USA as the number one economic power sooner or later.  One way to keep its citizens motivated and the economy growing is to expand beyond its borders.
12.   The expansion must not be a repeat of the evil colonialism.  Capital can be created.  Technology can be mastered.  Win-win can happen.  China showed a different but successful development model to the World.  If China can go from a poor Nation in 1970s to a Developed Nation within 3 or 4 decades, any Country can learn from that model.
13.   China can help with Capital (as it is created from thin air) and technology (it copied and improved from others).  If Japan, Europe or even USA want to help the Developing Nations in a similar way, so much the better.
14.  If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, the best way is to help other Nations get rich.
15.   The UFO technology is here already.  Which Nation will introduce it?

Can China help Ethiopia to become developed within 20 years?  Can Ethiopia learn the technology, technology and technology within 10 years?  Will the Internet allow a much faster and better education environment?  Will the Railways, Roads, Dams, Electricity facilitate the economic development?  Will tourism greatly increase?

Will Ethiopia be able to become not only self-sufficient in agriculture but also an exporter within 10 years?  Will famine and war be history in Ethiopia?  Ethiopia is one of the few Nations not colonialized.  Can Ethiopia maintain that record?

Within two Nations, Mutual Credit can be established.  Ethiopia can use the RMB to buy planned and needed resources for its infrastructure development without incurring any debt.  China can use the Ethiopia currency to develop holiday resorts, industrial parks, modern farms in Special Economic Zones.  China can use its excess production capability and create opportunity for its citizens outside China.  Ethiopia can select certain non-polluting industries and avoid the painful development mistakes of China.  China can show how not to use subsistence methods to create efficient enterprises. (Do not raise a few dozen chickens or set up "dad and mum" retail stores.  Show how to establish non-polluting large chicken farms and retail chains with Internet marketing.)

The Internet allows remote monitoring and management of the Company Branches or Franchises.  With Mutual Credits, the Meaningful Economic Activities between China and Ethiopia will greatly increase.  What kind of individuals or organizations will benefit most?  Win-win will go more to the innovative and diligent.  Nobody (including old folks like me) will suffer.


Get the academics involved in the what-if scenarios.  Expect attacks from those with Jealousy or Evil.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 30, 2016, 05:30:14 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8yybQSEbls


The half hour talk is a good summary of the Chinese vision.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 31, 2016, 08:30:02 AM

The Future of Hong Kong.


The article is a summary of  my thoughts in the last few months.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 01, 2016, 01:04:38 AM

1.  If we can extract solar energy, can we extract other electromagnetic waves?


2.  In outer space, we can maneuver a space craft to take advantage of the gravitational attraction of nearby bodies, can ?we do something similar on Earth?


3.  Is the Milkovic Two Stage pendulum using gravitational energy?


4.  Can we produce a net force via movements within an enclosed machine?


5.  Can the scientists claim that they have found the answers to all mechanical problems?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 03, 2016, 12:57:25 AM

The World has the knowledge, the technology and the capability to bring a good standard of living to every human being on Earth.

Why has it not happened?  The West have the World Bank and the IMF.  The claim was to help other Nations develop.  But the hidden agenda was to preserve the dominance.

Now China introduces the policy of - if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, the best way is to help others get rich.    At one time, China did not have the knowledge, the technology and the capability to do so.  Now, China has gone through the painful development process.  It has acquired all that.  It has the will to help.  That is the difference.


Will China introduce the UFO technology and forget about the potential military dominance?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 04, 2016, 10:05:32 PM

http://agenda2063.au.int/en/home (http://agenda2063.au.int/en/home)

Africa 2063 vision.

Is it possible for Africa to become prosperous by 2063?  Can Ethiopia be an example in the next 5 years?  Can the many African Nations work together like the Silk Road Initiative from China?  How fast can the African Nations and Citizens learn technology, technology and technology?

If China and other Developed Nations pursue the path of "if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help to get other Nations rich", the chances will be high.  China and other Developed Nations can keep expanding their GDP and Meaningful Economic Activities.  They view the building of Infrastructures in Africa as growing the Global Pie.  The Infrastructures will benefit Africa more but it is a win-win path to take.

Even without the UFO technology, Africa and other Nations can become prosperous well before 2063.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 05, 2016, 09:24:31 AM

http://agenda2063.au.int/en/home (http://agenda2063.au.int/en/home)

Africa 2063 vision.

Is it possible for Africa to become prosperous by 2063?  Can Ethiopia be an example in the next 5 years?  Can the many African Nations work together like the Silk Road Initiative from China?  How fast can the African Nations and Citizens learn technology, technology and technology?

If China and other Developed Nations pursue the path of "if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help to get other Nations rich", the chances will be high.  China and other Developed Nations can keep expanding their GDP and Meaningful Economic Activities.  They view the building of Infrastructures in Africa as growing the Global Pie.  The Infrastructures will benefit Africa more but it is a win-win path to take.

Even without the UFO technology, Africa and other Nations can become prosperous well before 2063.


Let us compare the two strategies to become the most powerful and influential Nation in the World.


1.  Have absolute military dominance and be the World's Policeman.  Get every Nation to submit to the Will of one Nation.


2.  Make every other Nation rich and thus remain rich.  Keep growing the Global Pie even though the majority of the infrastructures and growth are in the territory of other Nations.


Does China need the UFO technology now?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 06, 2016, 12:33:18 AM


 The building of the Modern Silk Road.

There are four important elements to consider:
1.       Plan together.
2.       Build together.
3.       Enjoy together.
4.       Win together.

1.       Plan together.  The Internet Forums are great planning tools.  Much of the information is shared before any significant project is embarked.
2.       Build together.  Technology must be learned and mastered.  The maintenance of the infrastructures will be performed by the locals.
3.       Enjoy together.  The fruits must be shared.  Every significant progress or structure will be celebrated.
4.       Win together.  The Marshall Plan after the Second World War helped Europe and Japan to recover and prosper quickly.  Enemies became friends.  The Modern Silk Road will get many Developing Nations developed.


Capital is no longer a scare resource.  Technology can be learned quickly.  The Five Year Plans from many Nations can be shared.

If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help to get others rich.  The lesson of the Marshall Plan must not be forgotten…


One of the lessons that China learned was - simply constructing the infrastructures is not going to make the other Nations rich.  They need to master the technology, technology and technology.  They need to gain the self confidence.


The good thing is that examples are worth more than words.  Successes such as Ethiopia will path the way.  The dams, railways, highways, Internet and clean energy plus the schools and hospitals constructed wholly or partly by the locals will build the self confidence.  Lasting friendship will result.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 06, 2016, 11:48:25 PM


Let us compare the two strategies to become the most powerful and influential Nation in the World.

1.  Have absolute military dominance and be the World's Policeman.  Get every Nation to submit to the Will of one Nation.

2.  Make every other Nation rich and thus remain rich.  Keep growing the Global Pie even though the majority of the infrastructures and growth are in the territory of other Nations.

Does China need to introduce the UFO technology now?

USSR tried to use strategy 1 to compete with USA.  USSR focused on Military technology.  It was not able to improve the living standards of its people at a fast pace.  Many of the elite lost confidence in the whole concept of State Planning and Communism.  Some even believed in the magic of capitalism and democracy.  They allowed the Country to break up.  The result was economic downturn and loss of self confidence.

China is using strategy 2.  It is using the Silk Road initiative to help other Nations rich.  It can continue to learn and improve technology, technology and technology.  The good thing about knowledge and technology is that the more you give away, the more you will have.

What happens if Russia and China work together on strategy 2?  What happens if the BRICS alliance  realizes its potential?  China has shown a rapid development model.  India has a large population eager to master technology.  Russia wants to regain its self confidence.  Brazil and South Africa have much potential and resources.  Russia is cold but the rest have much warmer climates.  If there were special economic and cultural zones in each Country encouraging people-to-people exchanges, will Globalization move faster?

Will the Silk Road have more South to North paths?

*** Is North Korea focusing too much on Military Technology?  Are they making the same mistake as USSR?  Will their elite lose self confidence?

***Will the South East Asian Countries learn technology faster than other Nations?  Will they fall into the middle income trap?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 07, 2016, 07:35:14 PM


Let us compare the two strategies to become the most powerful and influential Nation in the World.

1.  Have absolute military dominance and be the World's Policeman.  Get every Nation to submit to the Will of one Nation.

2.  Make every other Nation rich and thus remain rich.  Keep growing the Global Pie even though the majority of the infrastructures and growth are in the territory of other Nations.

Does China need the UFO technology now?

One comment:  Other Nations will suspect that there are hidden agendas.  History showed that when a Nation got strong, it would expand, conquer and enslave other Nations.  Hillary Clinton told the African Nations to be aware of a New Colonialization from China. 

How can China or any other Nation convince other Nations that "the best way to get rich and remain rich is to help other Nations to become rich"?  Can China help Ethiopia to become rich without any strings?  Can China help the South Asian Nations rich and master technology, technology and technology?

USA helped the European Countries to get rich again after the Second World War with the Marshall Plan but it bombed Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc.

Should China, USA, Russia or Others introduce the UFO technology and start the new paradigm?  Will the Military object on grounds of National Security?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2016, 08:00:13 PM


Let us compare the two strategies to become the most powerful and influential Nation in the World.

1.  Have absolute military dominance and be the World's Policeman.  Get every Nation to submit to the Will of one Nation.

2.  Make every other Nation rich and thus remain rich.  Keep growing the Global Pie even though the majority of the infrastructures and growth are in the territory of other Nations.

Does China need the UFO technology now?


One comment on the success of the Marshall Plan - the recipient countries know what to do with the money.


Will the recipient counties of Chinese money (e.g. Ethiopia) know what to do?  Will China get Ethiopia to help build infrastructures in other African Countries?  Will Ethiopia learn and then teach technology, technology and technology?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 08, 2016, 08:12:14 PM


One comment on the success of the Marshall Plan - the recipient countries know what to do with the money.

Will the recipient counties of Chinese money (e.g. Ethiopia) know what to do?  Will China get Ethiopia to help build infrastructures in other African Countries?  Will Ethiopia learn and then teach technology, technology and technology?

For example, Ethiopia is getting away from subsistence farming to modern farming.  Will they share the knowledge and success with other African Nations?  There are pains in the development path.  Some of the land are taken from the small farmers to domestic and foreign commercial farmers.

China re-allocated much land to develop the high speed trains...

*** With the Internet, Developing Nations can observe, learn and discuss their Five Year Plans.  Learn how to use the thin-air money - use it to create more wealth for the Country.  Develop the Meaningful Economic Activities.  For example, re-greening the highlands of Ethiopia and cut down the grazing.  Pay the highland farmers not to farm and graze.  Pay them to re-green the land!  Produce much more food in the Modern Farms to feed them.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 09, 2016, 06:22:04 PM


For example, Ethiopia is getting away from subsistence farming to modern farming.  Will they share the knowledge and success with other African Nations?  There are pains in the development path.  Some of the land are taken from the small farmers to domestic and foreign commercial farmers.

China re-allocated much land to develop the high speed trains...

*** With the Internet, Developing Nations can observe, learn and discuss their Five Year Plans.  Learn how to use the thin-air money - use it to create more wealth for the Country.  Develop the Meaningful Economic Activities.  For example, re-greening the highlands of Ethiopia and cut down the grazing.  Pay the highland farmers not to farm and graze.  Pay them to re-green the land!  Produce much more food in the Modern Farms to feed them.

With the Marshall Plan, the recipient Nations had the technology and knowledge.
With the Silk Road Plan, more knowledge and technology need to be transferred.  The Internet makes the job much easier. 

There are sensitive topics such as birth control, equality for women, religion and prejudices.  There are also suspicion, rumors and deliberate lies and propaganda from competing nations.  Worse, there will be border disputes, local wars, breaking up of Nations in the name of democracy or human rights.

Can Developing Nations focus on technology, technology and technology?  Will they have the stable environment?  Will their leaders have the education and vision?  Will they observe and learn from a successful model?  Can they define appropriate Meaningful Economic Activities?
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Post by: ltseung888 on November 09, 2016, 06:49:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxWAXx6d2eU


One way is to teach - still using primitive tools and technology.  Another way is to introduce modern farms.


One way is to improve subsistence farming.  Anther way is to replace it.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 10, 2016, 12:50:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJD880K1rYU


Endless famine in Ethiopia.


Will Ethiopia introduce family planning?  Will Ethiopia follow the strict policy of China - one or two child policy?  Will the economic and agricultural growth far exceed the population growth?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 10, 2016, 01:06:41 AM


President of Ethiopia

Mulatu Teshome Wirtu was educated in China, receiving his bachelor's degree in philosophy of political economy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_economy) and doctorate in international law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law) at Peking University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking_University).

While serving as Ambassador to Turkey, he was elected (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_presidential_election,_2013) as President of Ethiopia by a unanimous parliamentary vote on 7 October 2013.


Is he the most qualified president in Africa?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 11, 2016, 11:46:58 PM



President of Ethiopia

Mulatu Teshome Wirtu was educated in China, receiving his bachelor's degree in philosophy of political economy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_economy) and doctorate in international law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law) at Peking University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking_University).

While serving as Ambassador to Turkey, he was elected (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_presidential_election,_2013) as President of Ethiopia by a unanimous parliamentary vote on 7 October 2013.

Is he the most qualified president in Africa?

The Chinese Students have a new mission.  They have to spread the philosophy of "if a Nation wants to get rich and remain so, it should help other Nations become rich."

This is very different from Nationalism or projecting superiority in any form.  China can and will rise peacefully.  There will not be military conquests, colonialism or slavery.  Win-win.


Many future leader of the World will have education in China or will have interaction with Chinese Students worldwide.  China has become an economic model.  What the Chinese Students say will have an impact.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 12, 2016, 02:18:40 PM

The Chinese Students have a new mission.  They have to spread the philosophy of "if a Nation wants to get rich and remain so, it should help other Nations become rich."

This is very different from Nationalism or projecting superiority in any form.  China can and will rise peacefully.  There will not be military conquests, colonialism or slavery.  Win-win.

Many future leader of the World will have education in China or will have interaction with Chinese Students worldwide.  China has become an economic model.  What the Chinese Students say will have an impact.

Japan will finance and help India to build high speed railways and nuclear power plants.  Will India get rich quicker?

Which other Nation will adopt the philosophy of "if a Nation wants to get rich and remain so, it should help other Nations become rich."

Will South Korea help North Korea to become rich - no strings attached?  Does South Korea really care that North Korea has Nuclear capability?  Does Japan really care about the withdrawal of US troops and military bases from its soil?

UFO technology will equalize many things...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 12, 2016, 09:07:54 PM
I was at a party where good food and entertainment was served.  One scholar commented that such parties are extravagant, wasteful and should be banned.

Another commented that after a Nation has secured food security, it must look for Meaningful Economic Activities to keep its citizens motivated and productive.  Such an extravagant party involves much food preparation, making of party dresses, building and decorating the facilities, employing singers and performers, use of all the high technology equipment etc.  After the basic food security is met, are such activities meaningful?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 13, 2016, 01:01:36 AM


For example, Ethiopia is getting away from subsistence farming to modern farming.  Will they share the knowledge and success with other African Nations?  There are pains in the development path.  Some of the land are taken from the small farmers to domestic and foreign commercial farmers.

China re-allocated much land to develop the high speed trains...

*** With the Internet, Developing Nations can observe, learn and discuss their Five Year Plans.  Learn how to use the thin-air money - use it to create more wealth for the Country.  Develop the Meaningful Economic Activities.  For example, re-greening the highlands of Ethiopia and cut down the grazing.  Pay the highland farmers not to farm and graze.  Pay them to re-green the land!  Produce much more food in the Modern Farms to feed them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjLV_aVRUmQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjLV_aVRUmQ)
The Loess Plateau lesson is being applied to the highlands of Ethiopia.  Overgrazing is one of the causes of land degradation.  However, wealth of the locals is counted by the size of the herd.  Asking the locals not to graze or reduce the size of the herd will be met with objections. 

It will take the Ethiopians to build their own dams and high speed rails to gain their self confidence.  Other African Nations will not only look at the China miracle.  They will also look at the Ethiopian miracle.

Will Ethiopia have the political stability to give its people the chance to learn and master technology, technology and technology?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 13, 2016, 01:22:01 AM


I was at a party where good food and entertainment was served.  One scholar commented that such parties are extravagant, wasteful and should be banned.

Another commented that after a Nation has secured food security, it must look for Meaningful Economic Activities to keep its citizens motivated and productive.  Such an extravagant party involves much food preparation, making of party dresses, building and decorating the facilities, employing singers and performers, use of all the high technology equipment etc.  After the basic food security is met, are such activities meaningful?
The latest Meaningful Economic Activity in China is to encourage innovation, innovation and innovation.  Its Internet commerce is already number one.  Every student is encouraged to open an e-store.

The one belt one road Government initiative encourages the citizens to look beyond China.  Internet technology enables managing Company Branches or Franchises worldwide.  Which Nations will become rich via the win-win strategy?

Will China introduce the UFO technology first?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 13, 2016, 08:34:45 PM

Future of the World


The best way for a Nation to be rich and remain rich is to help other Nation become rich.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 14, 2016, 04:00:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J79xa9bChwI


Sea water vegetables. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 18, 2016, 05:57:21 PM

Future of the World

The best way for a Nation to be rich and remain rich is to help other Nation become rich.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/18/asia/china-space-shenzhou-11/index.html


It is also important to keep up with technology, technology and technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 20, 2016, 09:41:09 PM

Future of the World

The best way for a Nation to be rich and remain rich is to help other Nations become rich.
One comment:

The above statement is obvious.  Why is it not implemented?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 22, 2016, 12:38:36 AM

One comment:


The best way for a Nation to be rich and remain rich is to help other Nations become rich.

The above statement is obvious.  Why is it not implemented?


Human history taught us the opposite.  The evil empires that conquered, colonialized and enslaved other Nations got rich.  But we are much better educated and informed.  We are the ones to change the World for the better.
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Post by: ltseung888 on November 22, 2016, 10:13:18 PM
The future of the World in pdf format
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 24, 2016, 11:24:54 PM
If a Nation wants to be rich and remain rich, it should help other Nations become rich.

China is following this strategy.  The Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank and the Modern Silk Road Initiative are good examples.

What will happen if other Nations such as Japan, Germany, Russia follow the same strategy?








Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 27, 2016, 06:51:02 PM

Visited a family style fishing place:
Blessedvilla.net

It is a "subsistence" operation - small, no space to expand and primitive facilities.  One or two 50 passenger tour bus will overwhelm its facilities.

Difficult to get to.  Suitable for family with cars for a day trip.


*** Defining Meaningful Economic Activity is not a piece of cake.  What is Meaningful for a family may not be Meaningful for a village.


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 29, 2016, 11:00:22 PM

Visited a family style fishing place:
Blessedvilla.net

It is a "subsistence" operation - small, no space to expand and primitive facilities.  One or two 50 passenger tour bus will overwhelm its facilities.

Difficult to get to.  Suitable for family with cars for a day trip.

*** Defining Meaningful Economic Activity is not a piece of cake.  What is Meaningful for a family may not be Meaningful for a village.


Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:


1.  Build Infrastructures in another Nation for negligible or negative financial returns?
2.  Raise the standard of living of citizens in remote villages to the equal of major cities?
3.  Define a new financial structure for the World to ensure win-win?
4.  Charge ahead on technology and innovation - create money from thin-air to support such efforts if needed?
5.  Take over the role of the Number One financial Power replacing USA?
6.  Avoid the Middle Income Trap via sharing the technology and knowledge with other Developing Nations?
7.  Introduce the super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?
8.  Focus on long term globalization and ignore the many border disputes and ideological quarrels?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 30, 2016, 05:41:31 AM
"Meaningful" is an obscure term, subject to
personal opinion and subjective perspective viewpoints.


To ME, a meaningful economic endeavor is one that
provides a maximum production to the public at a minimum cost.


To an economist, this is business suicide.
Their goal is to maximize profits, with little or
no regard to their consumers.


Price deflation is 'meaningful' because we (the consumers) can pay less
for the same product.


To an economic entity - price Inflation is 'meaningful'
because they can charge us (the consumer) more money
for the same product.


Which side of the game are you on?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 30, 2016, 05:43:01 PM



"Meaningful" is an obscure term, subject to
personal opinion and subjective perspective viewpoints.

To ME, a meaningful economic endeavor is one that
provides a maximum production to the public at a minimum cost.

To an economist, this is business suicide.
Their goal is to maximize profits, with little or
no regard to their consumers.

Price deflation is 'meaningful' because we (the consumers) can pay less
for the same product.

To an economic entity - price Inflation is 'meaningful'
because they can charge us (the consumer) more money
for the same product.

Which side of the game are you on?
I play the role of "super consultant".  As a super consultant, I take no sides.  I examine the issue from the standpoint of a detached observer.  For example, take the following issue:

"Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:

1.  Build Infrastructures in another Nation for negligible or negative financial returns?"


As a detached observer, I can see that knowledge and technology can be learned by all Nations.  All human beings can acquire the knowledge and technology to build infrastructures.  It is a matter of time and the right type of leadership. 

It is meaningful for China to build a road to link a remote village to a nearby city even if the benefits are mainly for a few villagers.  China treats that as increase in GDP and the local officials are rewarded on their ability to increase the National GDP.  The cost of building the road may never be recovered via tolls or value of goods passed.  But China can afford it!  China has the technology, the engineers, the workers and the thin-air money to indulge in this economic activity.

Let us examine whether it is meaningful for China to build a road in Ethiopia for negligible or even negative financial returns.  Can the building of that road benefit Ethiopia?  Can China view that as an increase in the Global GDP?  Can China afford it?  Can China and Ethiopia see that as a win-win.  Can Ethiopia learn the technology of building the road and improve the technology to adapt to its environment?  Can the good-will be developed to a higher level?  Can China view that as efficient use of its resources of talent and material?  Can China view that as continued high GDP growth to avoid the Middle Income Trap?

Does that really matter if the road were built in Sudan or a war torn country?  Is it more meaningful to build it in a stable nation where such action is appreciated?  A super consultant should treat himself as "god-like" in the super Silicon Valley Mentality sense.  He should re-examine the existing rules and order.  He should be free to propose solutions outside the box.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 30, 2016, 11:29:05 PM



Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:

2.  Raise the standard of living of citizens in remote villages to the equal of major cities?



As a super consultant, I shall recommend the following:


a.  It is very meaningful to raise the standard of living of every citizen to an increasing prosperious level.  It is the duty of any responsible government.  Singapore is a good example.
b.  The first thing is to ensure that every village has electricity, running water, connection to Internet, health care, food and emergency facilities.
c.  It may not be meaningful to develop village factories that are subsistence.  Such factories will not be able to compete nationally or internationally.
d.  It may be better to turn many villages to tourist resorts or weekend relaxation centers.  Government funding can go towards top quality hotels, spas, entertainment parks, sports facilities etc.  Villagers can be trained to be managers, performers and service professionals with quality matching the best in the World.  Computer systems linked via Internet can do much training, sharing and monitoring.
e. Treat such activities as increase in National GDP.  Government Officials are encouraged to define and introduce them.  (Officials can become wealthy legally as examples to show the possibilities to the local villagers.  This already proved success in many villages.  Officials do not doze the day away but busy building wealth. )
f.  The village hotels can also serve as exhibition centers for selected goods such as induction cookers, energy saving gadgets, latest electronic inventions or anything worth demonstrating.  Some special events such as International Nights, USA, Russia, Germany Nights etc. will be hosted.  Special food and performances for such events can be funded and International help is encouraged.
g.  The sports facilities should aim for International Competition Standard.  Local and regional competition events can take place.  Use the concept that a certain population will justify certain facilities. 
h.  This will help China to move towards a "service or consumer" economy.  Citizens can enjoy a higher standard of living.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 01, 2016, 09:17:17 PM


Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:

3.  Define a new financial structure for the World to ensure win-win?



In the gambling world, if there were no limit on the betting amount, the side with overwhelming capital will always win.  Many of the stock market rules such as derivatives (Calls, Puts, Index etc.) have no limits.  The wealthy, Hedge Funds or Nations will always win.  The Asian Financial Crisis in 1997 was a good example.

Before the Asian Financial Crisis, Hong Kong Officials believed in the "Market" and took the attitude of no intervention.  During and after the Crisis, it learned that only combined actions from the Hong Kong and Chinese Government resources and efforts could defeat the Crocodiles (Hedge funds, notably George Soros).  Now continuous monitoring and willingness to step in have become the required practice.

The bigger issue is the concept of "reserve currency".  At one time, wealth was measured in Gold.  But the amount of Gold can no longer be the backup of the currency.  USA then tied Oil to the Dollar and the Petro-Dollar was born.  Since all Nations need energy (mainly in the form of oil) and if oil were traded in US dollars, all buyer Nations must use US dollars.  In addition, when a Nation have trading surpluses, it needs to keep the surpluses in some form.  The "default" form is the "reserve currency" or the US dollar.

The maintainer of the "reserve currency" have the huge advantage of printing the thin-air money to exchange for goods and services of other Nations.  At one time, many Nations including China, thought that having a huge foreign currency reserve was the right thing to do.  Now, they realize that numbers in some banks are not very useful.  USA can print more money and effectively dilute the value of the "hard earned reserve".

The new measure of wealth is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Infrastructures are Meaningful.  Improving standard of living is Meaningful.  Mastery of technology and knowledge is Meaningful.  Food Security is Meaningful.  Peace and Five Year Plans are Meaningful.  Helping other Nations rich is Meaningful.

What will the new Financial Structure be like?  It is likely to be based on win-win.  All Nations will realize the advantages and disadvantages of thin-air money and will not blindly seek material wealth or numbers in some accounts.  Nations will compare their standard of living; Citizens will travel; Innovations will be shared.  Hopefully, border disputes will not lead to conflicts or wars.  Real Globalization will happen and Nations needing help in infrastructure development or technology will get it.  Prosperity will spread to all.

Nations such as USA, China, Russia, Japan, Germany, France etc. will compete to help other Nations develop and increase their own GDP at the same time.  The excess talent and resources can be put to benefit the entire human race.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop?
Post by: ltseung888 on December 02, 2016, 05:44:52 PM




Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:

4.  Charge ahead on technology and innovation - create money from thin-air to support such efforts if needed?



To survive and prosper in the Modern World, charge ahead on technology and innovation is an absolute necessity.  In the nineteenth century, Japan modernized.  China tried to close its doors and assumed it was the greatest.  Everything could be produced within China.  There was nothing worth learning from the barbarians.  The result was a century of defeat and humiliation.

Have Chinese Leadership and Citizens learned the lesson?  Political dogma can rouse emotions but technology and innovation are the foundation stones.  In the 1950s, many Chinese dams were built without the technology.  There was the notorious production of steel from village farms.  The Great Leap Forward became Big Step Backwards.

In opening up to the World, China learned technology, technology and technology.  It used its cheap labor and vast market to tempt many foreign Companies to set up factories.  China learned and improved on the technology.  It re-examined every rule of the game.  It tolerated pollution and low pay.  It was a painful lesson.

Innovation means exploring into the unknown.  There will be foolish attempts.  There will be misdirected efforts.  UFO technology may be one of them.  But if there were learning in the process, go for it.


China has achieve food security.  Almost  every household has electricity, running water and access to Internet.  It is easy to fall into the Middle Income Trap.  The Modern Silk Road Initiative is a step in the right direction.  Make other Nations rich if China wants to become rich and remain rich.  Nations look for leaders who can innovate.  Nations will watch - can China avoid the Middle Income Trap?  Can China keep achieving a high GDP growth?  Can the GDP per capita become top?  Can the Flying Saucer replace the Car as default transport?  What will the future Cities look like?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 03, 2016, 01:52:25 PM

Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:

5.  Take over the role of the Number One financial Power replacing USA?



China has a much larger population and thus a much larger potential market.  Both USA and China are increasing the thin-air money supply.  USA spends much of the thin-air money on wars and supporting big banks.  China spends much of the thin-air money on Infrastructures both within China and outside China.  China has taken up the number one spot in terms of global trade.  That role will increase much more in the coming years.  The one-belt-one-role initiative will further strengthen the role.

When China is willing to use the thin-air money in building infrastructures outside China, there will be much more Meaningful Economic Activities.  Other Developing Nations will grow faster.  The win-win trade with China will inevitably increase. 

When modern wealth is measured in terms of the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities, China is heading the Number One spot.  China has mastered much of the production technology.  The race of innovation is occurring.  China is using State Funding.  USA is relying on Venture Capital.  State Enterprises have won the battle against the Multi-Nationals.  Will State Funding win again this time?

The introduction of UFO technology will change the paradigm.  Which Nation will introduce it first???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 04, 2016, 12:42:47 AM



Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:

6.  Avoid the Middle Income Trap via sharing the technology and knowledge with other Developing Nations?



The story of an entrepreneur.

This entrepreneur started his fortune from a Bakery.  Instead of the family style, he used modern equipment and management techniques.  He introduced standardized procedures and webcams to monitor the production and the customer flow.  He obtained venture capital to expand.  In a five year period, his branches and franchises increased from one to over 30 and covered a few cities.

He had enough money to retire and enjoy life.  He had achieved more than Middle Income.

He was approached by the Chinese Government.  The Official told him that China wants to replicate his success model.  The management technique can cover more than just Bakery.  The managers can monitor the business and the customer flow at any branch or franchise via the Internet.  The on-line income and expenditure can be analyzed.  China wants to expand such technology to cover the one-belt-one road.  The number of branches or franchises can be counted in many thousands.  His consulting and royalty income will be in millions of RMB.  The Official told him not to be contend with Middle Income.  He should get his Company on the Stock Market and become one of the Billionaires.

Such stories are very common in China.  One of the accusations was that many Officials got rich via supporting such entrepreneurs.  Their spouses or relatives can get good jobs and shares in such Companies. This was regarded as conflict of Interest by some opponents but accepted by many as a legal way to get China prosperous.  The Officials are no longer road blocks but are effective business partners.

Personally, I had the following experience.  I had a dinner party at an old boys reunion.  An old boy got a phone call from a Chinese Official at 11:30 pm at night.  I asked whether Chinese Officials work overtime at such a late hour.  He laughed: "They are more keen to making the venture successful than me!"

Can China avoid the Middle Income Trap?  With the Officials supporting entrepreneurs to help each other get wealthy legally; with opportunities inside and outside China; what are the chances of avoiding the Middle Income Trap?


The Western model of Government is outdated.  Governments are no longer collector of taxes and redistribution of income.  Governments are responsible in increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  They have to help Citizens more prosperous - not taxing and taking the wealth away from them!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 04, 2016, 10:04:51 PM

 

 Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:
 7.   Introduce the super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?

 

One of the key elements in the super Silicon Valley Mentality is that everything is third class.  The group in charge should improve it to second or first class. The new group in charge later should treat the thing as third class only and further improve it.  This will keep an individual, an organization or a Nation progressing.

Let us use an example – printing thin-air money.  The Citizens of a Nation will not become wealthier if the Government does not increase the money supply.  If there were no increase, one person getting richer will mean another getting poorer.  An appropriate increase will stimulate the economy.

China is printing much thin-air money to support its many infrastructure projects within and outside China.  Is it a third class act?  How can it be improved?  Can it be improved via open advertising – telling the Developing Nations that it is part of the win-win solution? The thin-air money to build a dam in an African Nation will help the African Nation to have better irrigation and clean electricity – a win for the African Nation.  China can use its excess production of cement, steel and further develop its engineers – a win for China.  There is no exploitation involved.

The key for the fast development of China is technology, technology and technology.  The African Nation should not just watch the construction of the dam by the Chinese engineers and workers. The African Nation should learn and improve.(Ethiopia is a good example.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 05, 2016, 11:35:55 AM


 
 
Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:
 7a.   Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?

 

One of the key elements in the super Silicon Valley Mentality is that everything is third class.  The group in charge should improve it to second or first class.  The new group in charge later should treat the thing as third class only and further improve it.  This will keep an individual, an organization or a Nation progressing.

Let us use another example – building more high class restaurants.  When China has achieved food security, is it meaningful to introduce more tasty food and a more relaxing environment for Citizens to enjoy their meals?  Should this be left mainly to the hands of private enterprises?  Will the Citizens see it as improving their standards of living and enjoying the fruits of hard earned economic development?

One of the arguments was to let many private enterprises compete.  Some will fail and some will succeed.  There is no need to print extra money for such purposes.  In some cases such as remote villages or under-developed regions, Local Governments may want to turn such regions into holiday resorts.  Government money should be spent to provide the basic or even high quality tourist attraction facilities.


The third class plans or projects should be improved to second or first class.  One thing China did right was to judge the performance of an Official on his ability to increase the GDP and reduction of poverty.  In Hong Kong, I go to a fishing farm which is not in a zone targeted for re-development.  The facilities hardly changed for over 15 years.  One can say that 15 years was wasted.  The income of the owner did not increase much.  It was subsistence survival.  What would have happened if the local Hong Kong Officials in that zone were judged on their capability to increase local GDP and helping the Citizens get wealthier?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 06, 2016, 05:01:52 PM

 

 Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:

 7b.   Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?
 

One of the key elements in the super Silicon Valley Mentality is that everything is third class.  The group in charge should improve it to second or first class.  The new group in charge later should treat the thing as third class only and further improve it.  This will keep an individual, an organization or a Nation progressing.

Let us use another example – the role of Government is no long to collect taxes and maintain peace and order.  The new role is to increase the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  The main revenue comes from printing of thin-air money, renting land and property, loaning out the thin-air money and encouraging the Citizens to buy stocks and bonds in State Enterprises.

Traditionally, China collected taxes from the farmers as main source of revenue to the emperors.  The tax was in the form of a portion of the crops produced.  This was a form of taxing the poor to support the rich.  The Communist Party finally had the sense of abolishing such taxes.  The farmers are treated as low income earners and no long pay any taxes.

Hong Kong taught China a capitalist way.  The British controlled Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank (HSBC) as the default Bank – both in printing and manipulating the money.  Property prices were kept high by restricting supply.  When a piece of land is released for development, HSBC was able to loan thin-air money to developers.  When the property is developed, HSBC was able to supply mortgages to the citizens.  So long as the citizens repaid the mortgages, HSBC was able to print and loan out more thin-air money.  HSBC became one of the largest banks in the World.

China learned the lesson.  It put many State-owned Banks on the Stock Market and loan out thin-air money.  Many of these banks become International giants.  Citizens worked hard to repay the loans; buy stock in such banks and created much more Meaningful Economic Activities.  Much money flows back to the Government.

China realized the best way to impress the Citizens is via development of Infrastructures.  Citizens can see the roads, bridges, subways, high speed trains, hospitals, schools and high sky scrapers.  The average Citizen can enjoy the fruits of such development.  They can see that some get rich faster but they view them as examples of inspiration.  The builders of Infrastructures got well compensated as billions of dollars flow in their direction.  When the number of worthwhile Infrastructure Projects within China decreased, the one-belt-one-road initiative was launched.  The opportunities of building more infrastructures increase.  It is a win-win even if China uses some of the thin-air money in other Nations.

The Super Silicon Valley Mentality tells the Citizens to think outside the box.  The new role of Government is not come to take money away from you.  The new role is to get you involved in Meaningful Economic Activities and enjoy a better standard of living.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 07, 2016, 08:08:42 PM

 

 Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:
7c.   Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?
 

One of the key elements in the super Silicon Valley Mentality is that everything is third class. The group in charge should improve it to second or first class. The new group in charge later should treat the thing as third class only and further improve it. This will keep an individual, an organization or a Nation progressing.

Let us use another example – the role of Government in providing food and social security for its citizens. Should a Government guarantee that all its citizens have food, shelter, electricity, running water, access to Internet, 10 years of free education, disaster relief, medical benefits, pensions, clean environment, jobs, efficient transport and all amenities associated with a Developed Nation? Is that the ideals of Communism? Is that improving the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities?

China is combining the Capitalist incentive – making money is glorious and the Communist role – all can share the fruits of progress. The Government has a delicate role to play. Too much benefit will get citizens into the Middle Income Trap. Not enough benefits will lead to social unrest. Too much taxing of the rich will destroy their incentive to grow the economy. Feeling the stone to cross a river (find one’s own model and pace of development) has its advantages…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 08, 2016, 06:05:57 AM

 
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 Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:
7d.   Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?
 

One of the key elements in the super Silicon Valley Mentality is that everything is third class. The group in charge should improve it to second or first class. The new group in charge later should treat the thing as third class only and further improve it. This will keep an individual, an organization or a Nation progressing.

Let us use another example – should a place like Hong Kong join China in the one-belt-one-road initiative?

The income per capita of Hong Kong is high enough to rate it as Developed. Its GDP growth rate is in the two percent range. Some politicians and economists viewed that as normal for a Developed Economy. The major complain from many Citizens is the high housing prices. It is almost impossible for a young couple to own their own home on salaries.


In the 1998 era, the house prices dropped and got many citizens into negative worth. That incident forced the hand of the Government to house prices high. Many youngsters feel that there is not enough opportunities inside Hong Kong. The frustration led to the “occupy Central” movement and the election of candidates who advocate independence”.

The mood in China is very different. Citizens feel that it is the best time to get rich. Building Infrastructures are like gold mine. They can continue via the one-road-one-belt initiative and build Infrastructures aboard. The Chinese currency (RMB) is gaining the status as reserve currency. They can see the tall sky scrapers. They can ride on the high speed trains. They can shop and become shop-keepers via the Internet. They can voice their opinions via the numerous forums.

One suggestion is for Hong Kong to help in the one-belt-one-road initiative. Hong Kong has mastered the “internet managed” restaurants, retail stores etc. very well. Such businesses can easily expand outside Hong Kong. Students interested in agriculture can see opportunities in Africa…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 08, 2016, 07:42:22 PM

 

 Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:
7e.   Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?
 

One of the key elements in the super Silicon Valley Mentality is that everything is third class. The group in charge should improve it to second or first class. The new group in charge later should treat the thing as third class only and further improve it. This will keep an individual, an organization or a Nation progressing.

Let us use another example – should Government compete with the private sector in providing goods and services?

In Hong Kong, public housing was at one time of low standards. Bathroom facilities were shared. Lifts did not cover every floor. The thought was – anything was better than living in the streets. Then the quality steadily increased. At one time, even club houses, high speed Internet connections and gym facilities were available. The quality matched and exceeded those of private housing. There were complaints from private property developers. The Hong Kong Government then cut the amenities offered by public housing.

In Singapore, the Economic Development Board was introduced. The role was to help Singapore Businesses to prosper and compete with the World. It was very successful. China copied and improved on the model.The China Miracle is now established for all to see.

Some years ago, a friend of mine opened a prawn fishing facility in China. It was very successful since it was novel and attracted much attention. Then the local government funded and opened a larger and better equipped facility. My friend complained bitterly that the competition was unfair. He had no choice but to close down his once profitable business. He was innovative and became successful in other ventures with help from the same local government.(He was able to lease abandoned farmland at low rents.)

Some economists commented that competition will come when any venture is successful. When investors see profit in the prawn fishing operation, they will invest to compete. It just happened to be the local government in this case. But some economist argued that any government competition is theoretically unfair. Governments have deep pockets and can establish or modify policies.(Private Companies including Multi-Nationals cannot compete with State Enterprises in general.)

My view is that if the result is a better facility for the region and for the consumer, who owns or runs the facility does not really matter.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 09, 2016, 06:53:51 PM

 

 Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:
7f.   Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?
 

One of the key elements in the super Silicon Valley Mentality is that everything is third class. The group in charge should improve it to second or first class. The new group in charge later should treat the thing as third class only and further improve it. This will keep an individual, an organization or a Nation progressing.

Let us use another example – should the average person invest in Gold?

When Governments print money, what should happen to the price of Precious Metals such as Gold? The common sense approach is that such prices should go up. But the US and other Western Governments want to get people to turn away from Gold. Thus they artificially lower the price of gold.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgGmTfIBPc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgGmTfIBPc)

China and Russia are buying gold and gold mines. There is only a limited amount of Gold. Western Market Makers are “selling gold they do not have”. They hope that by fixing and keeping price of gold low, many holders will sell or forced to sell. Storing gold will not earn any interest. (Keeping money in Banks hardly earn any interest this days.) China, Russia and many other Nations are not happy with the US dollar dominance. They feel that it is not justified.


The new wealth will be the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.Will owning gold or wearing gold necklaces be a Meaningful Economic Activity? When China becomes the Number One Economy in the World, faith in the US Dollar will fall. Where will the rich in the West invest? One likely place is Gold.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 10, 2016, 10:21:55 AM

 

 Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:
7g.   Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?
 

One of the key elements in the super Silicon Valley Mentality is that everything is third class. The group in charge should improve it to second or first class. The new group in charge later should treat the thing as third class only and further improve it. This will keep an individual, an organization or a Nation progressing.

Let us use another example – should the average person invest in Gold (continued)?

I just finished talking to a wealthy senior on investing in Gold. He has the following comments:
(1)    There is no point in further investing when he already has more than enough to spend for the rest of his life. He sold his many pharmacy stores and still own a couple of apartments. The rental income provided him a steady income – more than he can spend.

(2)    His children are already established. One is a medical doctor and another is an engineer. Both have good income, home and rental property. There is no need to worry about catering for grandchildren.

(3)    His wife passed away a few months back. His regret was not spending time and money earlier when his wife was alive.

(4)    He said that the right thing for individuals to do is to earn and spend whatever they could comfortably afford. Eat better. Enjoy life more. Do not wait until old age when one cannot see, hear or walk too well. Travelling will not be a joy. When one has no teeth, food will not be as enjoyable.

Meaningful Economic Activity will mean different things to different individuals and different Nations. That is the fun of knowledge…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 10, 2016, 11:30:33 AM


One of the key elements in the super Silicon Valley Mentality is that everything is third class. The group in charge should improve it to second or first class. The new group in charge later should treat the thing as third class only and further improve it. This will keep an individual, an organization or a Nation progressing.

Let us use another example – should the average person invest in Gold (continued)?

I just finished talking to a wealthy senior on investing in Gold. He has the following comments:
(1)    There is no point in further investing when he already has more than enough to spend for the rest of his life. He sold his many pharmacy stores and still own a couple of apartments. The rental income provided him a steady income – more than he can spend.

(2)    His children are already established. One is a medical doctor and another is an engineer. Both have good income, home and rental property. There is no need to worry about catering for grandchildren.

(3)    His wife passed away a few months back. His regret was not spending time and money earlier when his wife was alive.

(4)    He said that the right thing for individuals to do is to earn and spend whatever they could comfortably afford. Eat better. Enjoy life more. Do not wait until old age when one cannot see, hear or walk too well. Travelling will not be a joy. When one has no teeth, food will not be as enjoyable.

Meaningful Economic Activity will mean different things to different individuals and different Nations. That is the fun of knowledge…


The above is the lesson from Hong Kong - making money is glorious. The wealthy senior is a good example. The environment in China is ripe for this to happen.  The brilliant strategy from China is to expand beyond China.  Make other Nations rich at the same time.  When citizens focus on making money legally, they have fewer protests or demands from the government.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 10, 2016, 10:17:21 PM

 

 Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:
7h.   Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?
 

One of the key elements in the super Silicon Valley Mentality is that everything is third class. The group in charge should improve it to second or first class. The new group in charge later should treat the thing as third class only and further improve it. This will keep an individual, an organization or a Nation progressing.

Let us use another example – The future of Hong Kong?

One of the biggest news in Hong Kong is that the Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Leung, is not seeking to serve another term. This comes as a surprise to most observers and citizens. Will a new Chief Executive of Hong Kong fix the problem?

The real problem in Hong Kong is the mentality – Government should provide minimum interference and maximum support. It was a legacy from the Colonial era of Laissez faire. Some joked that there is Dr. Do Little but the Hong Kong Government is even better – Dr. Do Nothing. It is very easy and natural for any government servant to avoid making mistakes. His career is secure. Salary and position will steadily increase if he does not make any major mistakes.


Take the case of trying to acquiring land to build affordable housing. There is still 40% land zoned as parks. Rezoning some of it will help greatly in the land problem. There were voices that - “don’t even think about it”. Some of the abandoned farmland that could be rezoned. There were objections from villagers that such land should be reserved for their children forever as agreed in the Colonial Era. Reclamation of land from shorelines received objections from Conservationists. The easiest path for the Government is to say – I tried but I do not want to upset any citizens. Let us wait for a better time (or a better Chief Executive who can negotiate and push through the issue). The result is the Dr. Do Nothing.

Take the case of political reform to allow one-person-one-vote to elect the Chief Executive. The proposed solution was for Beijing to screen the candidates first. This should theoretically pose no problem as the Chief Executive must “report” to Beijing. But the local political parties blocked it. The result is another Dr. Do Nothing.

Take the case of supporting the one-belt-one-road initiative. Hong Kong is in a good position as the default “International City” of China. But any real Government action will be seen as violation of the policy of minimum interference and maximum support.(The maximum support is lip service?)The result will be another Dr. Do Nothing.

Can the new Chief Executive make a difference? If he were pro-Beijing, he would have objections from the Democrats. If he were pro-Democrat, he might not be trusted by Beijing. There is no real political parties with agendas and organizational structures to do meaningful proposals. Almost all proposals will have to come from Civil Servants. It is easy to continue the policy of Dr. Do Nothing.

The young people cannot see the prospect of owning their home no matter how hard they work. Some observers say that youngsters should rent and save first. My own experience on renting in Hong Kong was – started at HK$24,000 per month, increased to HK$30,000 and then HK$35,000 every two years when the rental lease was up.The rent on divided apartment units went up even faster.A typical unit 6 years ago was rented out at HK$2,000.Now the same unit is over HK$5,000. It is impossible for the youngsters to rent and save. The Government can only act as Dr. Do Nothing. The youngsters can be incited to protest and riot to get out their frustrations easily.

One possible solution is for a Political Party to lay out Meaningful Five Year Plans and Organizational Structures (shadow cabinets) to support the Chief Executive. Can the Political Party advocate the tying of advancement of Civil Servants to their ability to increase the GDP or the wealth of citizens? This is not in sight yet. But Hong Kong has brilliant talents and well educated professionals…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 11, 2016, 01:13:13 AM

 

 Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:
7i.   Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?
 

Let us use another example – The future of Hong Kong(continued)?

One possible solution is for a Political Party to lay out Meaningful Five Year Plans and Organizational Structures (shadow cabinets) to support the Chief Executive. Can the Political Party advocate the tying of advancement of Civil Servants to their ability to increase the GDP or the wealth of citizens? This is not in sight yet. But Hong Kong has brilliant talents and well educated professionals…

A friend just gave me a challenge – laid out a five year plan to grow the GDP of Hong Kong at eight percent per year for the next ten years. Does Hong Kong have brilliant minds?

I shall try:



(1)  Hong Kong can jump on the one-belt-one-road bandwagon. There are many crowded cities in Asia wanting to have subways or MTR systems similar to Hong Kong. Hong Kong Government can work with Hong Kong Universities to do planning as student projects for such cities. These plans can be in cooperation with the various governments or their universities. The initial funding can come from the Hong Kong Government. There will be much publicity and Hong Kong Government can claim that it is changing from Dr. Do Nothing to Dr. Consulting.


(2) The initial funding can cover studies, travels, conferences and computer modeling. Use students from Hong Kong and the other Universities to do the presentations as much as possible.  A competition with prize money can be set up. Focus on win-win. Citizens in both places will see that such a competition is worthwhile and their own youngsters are given the chance to shine. Use Internet forums and computer graphics well. Show the High-Tech image.


(3) Apply for real funding from AIIB (Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank) when ready. One success will lead to many others.


(4) Focus on the related projects such as shopping malls, residential apartments, hotels, cinemas etc. on top or close to the MTR stations. Hong Kong Government can put in the seed capital and raise additional funds from the Hong Kong Stock Market.


(5) The Hong Kong dollar is tied to the US dollar. If USA prints more money, Hong Kong should, in theory, increase its money supply proportionally. Hong Kong has large amount of currency reserve. Some of these can be used as the seed money in item 4. If there were losses, then print additional money. (That additional amount will be less than the theoretical proportional increase.)


(6) Expand the example to other fields including agriculture. There is little scope for agriculture in Hong Kong but the opportunities in Africa and other Nations along the one-belt-one-road are vast. Do not go for subsistence farming. Go for medium or large scale farming. Help many African Nations to become food secure with their resources of land and water. Use the best technology including the drip techniques from Israel etc. Use remote monitoring technology well. The students can see what is happening in the remote farms via drones and Internet.


(7) Calculate what 8% GDP growth is equivalent to. Check on the number of projects required to reach that number. This cannot be done in a few discussion sessions. It will require detailed data and analysis. Hong Kong students are bright enough to do such research. Hong Kong Government can provide the funding via a special “economic development board” rivalling that of Singapore.


Has Hong Kong got the brilliant minds? Is an eight percent GDP growth a possibility? Can Hong Kong politicians, government officials, citizens and academics come up with the above and solidify it into Five Year Plans? Can Hong Kong change its image from Dr. Do Nothing to Dr. Consulting?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 11, 2016, 02:25:09 AM


Let us use another example – The future of Hong Kong(continued)?

One possible solution is for a Political Party to lay out Meaningful Five Year Plans and Organizational Structures (shadow cabinets) to support the Chief Executive. Can the Political Party advocate the tying of advancement of Civil Servants to their ability to increase the GDP or the wealth of citizens? This is not in sight yet. But Hong Kong has brilliant talents and well educated professionals…

A friend just gave me a challenge – laid out a five year plan to grow the GDP of Hong Kong at eight percent per year for the next ten years. Does Hong Kong have brilliant minds?

I shall try:

(1)  Hong Kong can jump on the one-belt-one-road bandwagon. There are many crowded cities in Asia wanting to have subways or MTR systems similar to Hong Kong. Hong Kong Government can work with Hong Kong Universities to do planning as student projects for such cities. These plans can be in cooperation with the various governments or their universities. The initial funding can come from the Hong Kong Government. There will be much publicity and Hong Kong Government can claim that it is changing from Dr. Do Nothing to Dr. Consulting.

(2) The initial funding can cover studies, travels, conferences and computer modeling. Use students from Hong Kong and the other Universities to do the presentations as much as possible.  A competition with prize money can be set up. Focus on win-win. Citizens in both places will see that such a competition is worthwhile and their own youngsters are given the chance to shine. Use Internet forums and computer graphics well. Show the High-Tech image.

(3) Apply for real funding from AIIB (Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank) when ready. One success will lead to many others.

(4) Focus on the related projects such as shopping malls, residential apartments, hotels, cinemas etc. on top or close to the MTR stations. Hong Kong Government can put in the seed capital and raise additional funds from the Hong Kong Stock Market.

(5) The Hong Kong dollar is tied to the US dollar. If USA prints more money, Hong Kong should, in theory, increase its money supply proportionally. Hong Kong has large amount of currency reserve. Some of these can be used as the seed money in item 4. If there were losses, then print additional money. (That additional amount will be less than the theoretical proportional increase.)

(6) Expand the example to other fields including agriculture. There is little scope for agriculture in Hong Kong but the opportunities in Africa and other Nations along the one-belt-one-road are vast. Do not go for subsistence farming. Go for medium or large scale farming. Help many African Nations to become food secure with their resources of land and water. Use the best technology including the drip techniques from Israel etc. Use remote monitoring technology well. The students can see what is happening in the remote farms via drones and Internet.

(7) Calculate what 8% GDP growth is equivalent to. Check on the number of projects required to reach that number. This cannot be done in a few discussion sessions. It will require detailed data and analysis. Hong Kong students are bright enough to do such research. Hong Kong Government can provide the funding via a special “economic development board” rivalling that of Singapore.

Has Hong Kong got the brilliant minds? Is an eight percent GDP growth a possibility? Can Hong Kong politicians, government officials, citizens and academics come up with the above and solidify it into Five Year Plans? Can Hong Kong change its image from Dr. Do Nothing to Dr. Consulting?

One comment:

Why subway? Can all North-South traffic be on second floor level?  East-West traffic can be on third level. Will that be cheaper, save on lighting and easier to maintain?

Are Hong Kong people innovative and can think outside-the-box?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 11, 2016, 03:51:00 AM
One comment:

Why subway? Can all North-South traffic be on second floor level?  East-West traffic can be on third level. Will that be cheaper, save on lighting and easier to maintain?

Are Hong Kong people innovative and can think outside-the-box?

Improvement:

North-South traffic on second floor level.  Third level for human transit. Forth level for East-West traffic.  There will be no unnecessary blocking on second and forth floor.  Use third floor to avoid blocking.  No traffic jams due to intersection.  Heavy load can still use ground level.  No need for cars in New Cities.  No pollution and no traffic jams for humans.  May need short walks to final destinations.  Short exercise is healthy.  Store owners will be happy with the human traffic...


*** Student project that may revolutionise the World.  Can Hong Kong youngsters rise to the challenge?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 11, 2016, 11:27:05 PM

 

 Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:
7j.   Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to stimulate its Citizens?
 

Let us use another example – The Return on Investment.

One comment on the One-Belt-One-Road Initiative was – the initiative will fail as it violates the cardinal principle of Return on Investment. When an Investor puts money into any project, he seeks a return. The best is short-term. But building a road and not collecting tolls is like throwing money into the ocean. Many of the Infrastructure Projects have no concrete financial returns to the investor. Thus there is no incentive for the investor.

This reminds me of the discussion I had with the relative of a Chinese Official in the early 1980s. He was saying that China was poor and needed to borrow money to build a highway. I raised the argument that China should learn the technology of building the highway and print money to build the highway.

Technology is more important than money. Money can be printed. If a Government does not increase its money supply, its citizens will not get wealthier as a whole. With no new money supply, one person getting richer will mean another getting poorer. The highway will be an asset for China. It will facilitate travelling. The process of construction will create jobs and Meaningful Economic Activities.

This simple argument is the foundation stone for the many infrastructure projects in China. Technology, technology and technology. Then build, build and build. Citizens will get better trained. Citizens will see and benefit from the infrastructures. Many will get wealthier directly from the printed thin-air money. There is no need to borrow foreign money. (A small amount may be needed if foreign equipment and talent are required).

Then the counter-argument came. When a Nation runs out of good infrastructure projects, any continuation will be white elephant projects. It is better to stop the construction. Japan was an example. It built many roads going nowhere. China came out with this brilliant one-belt-one-road strategy. Build good infrastructure projects in other Nations. It will be a win for China as it can continue to develop and improve on infrastructure technology. It will be a win for the other Nation as it has a useful infrastructure to help it get richer. Money can be printed appropriately. If it is printed by an International Organization such as the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, so much the better.

Forget about the private investor in the infrastructure project itself. Invite his participation in the related money making projects such as shopping malls, hotels, restaurants, residential buildings etc. Those will have good return on investment. Thus Government action is needed to fund the non-money making (or very low return on investment) projects. If a Developing Nation acquires or catches up with technology, technology and technology, capital is not a problem. China is offering to help with both the technology and capital. It is NOT a donation. China wins with more jobs and more technology development opportunities for its talents. China wins with more friends and builds a stronger reputation.

The cardinal economic principle of Return on Investment needs to be updated…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 12, 2016, 02:58:16 AM


Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for China to:

8.  Focus on long term globalization and ignore the many border disputes and ideological quarrels?

Trump made headlines in the Hong Kong Newspapers that he would not stick to the one China policy.  How should China react?

In the past, China might have out cried loudly. China would have found it necessary to react strongly.  But China is in a much stronger position now. It is starting to assert the leadership position with the one-belt-one-road initiative. The World will look at how the Leader reacts.

With real Globalization as the goal and that all Nations will become rich, there is no point in letting border disputes or quarrels to upset the plans. Just march on and grow the GDP within China and help other friendly Nations to achieve high GDP growths. Technology, technology and technology. Build, build and build.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 12, 2016, 06:23:56 PM


Trump made headlines in the Hong Kong Newspapers that he would not stick to the one China policy.  How should China react?

In the past, China might have out cried loudly. China would have found it necessary to react strongly.  But China is in a much stronger position now. It is starting to assert the leadership position with the one-belt-one-road initiative. The World will look at how the Leader reacts.

With real Globalization as the goal and that all Nations will become rich, there is no point in letting border disputes or quarrels to upset the plans. Just march on and grow the GDP within China and help other friendly Nations to achieve high GDP growths. Technology, technology and technology. Build, build and build.
Can Trump count on inciting the Chinese Leadership to do stupid acts on the Taiwan issue? Can Trump incite a war between Japan and China? Can Trump incite Vietnam or Philippines or India or other Asian Nations to have anti-China rallies? Can Trump incite Ethiopia or other African Nations to treat the win-win infrastructure building as invasion by China?

Will China march on with its own Five Year Plans? Will China keep helping other Developing Nations to achieve their Five Year Plans? Will China be stupid enough to divert its effort to building military equipment or start regional wars?

The one-belt-one-road win-win strategy is working. Real Globalization will come with all Nations getting rich and developed.  The ugly historic examples of empire building via conquests, colonization and slavery must not be repeated.


*** The UFO technology can wait.  The mindset of Leaders must be changed to win-win first.  The destructive power of the UFO technology is just too terrifying. Imagine a group with hatred in their hearts riding their flying saucers containing nuclear weapons hurling at the White House or the Three Gorges Dam.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 12, 2016, 10:12:08 PM

Trump made headlines in the Hong Kong Newspapers that he would not stick to the one China policy.  How should China react?

In the past, China might have out cried loudly. China would have found it necessary to react strongly.  But China is in a much stronger position now. It is starting to assert the leadership position with the one-belt-one-road initiative. The World will look at how the Leader reacts.

With real Globalization as the goal and that all Nations will become rich, there is no point in letting border disputes or quarrels to upset the plans. Just march on and grow the GDP within China and help other friendly Nations to achieve high GDP growths. Technology, technology and technology. Build, build and build.
Technology, technology and technology.  Build, build and build.

Knowledge and technology have one unique characteristics.  The more you share or give away, the more you will have.  Once certain technology is mastered, replicate it widely.  Once you mastered something, share it.  The Internet is a great tool.

I believe the one-belt-one-road win-win strategy is the one China should pursue.  I have thought about it from many angles.  Is it the right time to promote it? (The equivalent of build, build and build?)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 13, 2016, 04:56:29 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-13/singapore-malaysia-sign-final-accord-for-high-speed-rail-link (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-13/singapore-malaysia-sign-final-accord-for-high-speed-rail-link)

Real Globalization is happening.  The high speed rail link will shorten the time from 5 hours to about 90 minutes.  It will be a joint project between Singapore and Malaysia.  The project is open for bidding.  The two top contenders are likely to be China and Japan.  Both China and Japan are eager to promote their technology and give an outlet for their engineers.  Both can provide thin-air money.  It will be a win for the suppliers and it will be a win for the buyers.

There will be numerous opportunities along the stations on the link.  Some compare its significance to the link between UK and France.  The spirit of one-belt-one-road is fulfilled even if the bid is won by Japan.  Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 13, 2016, 10:56:07 PM

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-13/singapore-malaysia-sign-final-accord-for-high-speed-rail-link (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-13/singapore-malaysia-sign-final-accord-for-high-speed-rail-link)

Real Globalization is happening.  The high speed rail link will shorten the time from 5 hours to about 90 minutes.  It will be a joint project between Singapore and Malaysia.  The project is open for bidding.  The two top contenders are likely to be China and Japan.  Both China and Japan are eager to promote their technology and give an outlet for their engineers.  Both can provide thin-air money.  It will be a win for the suppliers and it will be a win for the buyers.

There will be numerous opportunities along the stations on the link.  Some compare its significance to the link between UK and France.  The spirit of one-belt-one-road is fulfilled even if the bid is won by Japan.  Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity?

It will be a joint project between Malaysia and Singapore.
This means Malaysia and Singapore will be contributing some of their thin-air money.  Both will learn and master more technology, technology and technology.  More chance of peace than war...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: AlienGrey on December 14, 2016, 07:02:08 AM
Anti Gravity device  ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCRe-VHLs1k#t=123.919583
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 15, 2016, 12:56:04 AM
Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for:


Hong Kong Students to discuss the role of Hong Kong in the one-belt-one-road initiative as a Student Project or even a Student Competition event?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 15, 2016, 05:53:00 AM
Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for:


Hong Kong elite to think about the ageing population of Hong Kong and the immigration policy?  Will they learn anything from the Japanese example?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 17, 2016, 02:27:03 AM
Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for Hong Kong to:


encourage the shareholders of Companies to use on-line capability to monitoring their invested Companies?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 18, 2016, 09:18:25 PM
Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for Hong Kong Citizens to:

buy and keep gold?

USA is trying to get people to turn away from gold as reserve.  USA hopes that all will keep US Dollar as the reserve.  One technique is to devalue other currencies.  China, Russia, India and some other Countries are buying gold.  When USA and allies have no more gold to sell, what will happen to the price of gold?

Will USA be able to keep the US dollars as the default reserve while printing lots and lots...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 19, 2016, 03:02:17 AM
Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for Hong Kong Citizens to:

buy and keep gold?

USA is trying to get people to turn away from gold as reserve.  USA hopes that all will keep US Dollar as the reserve.  One technique is to devalue other currencies.  China, Russia, India and some other Countries are buying gold.  When USA and allies have no more gold to sell, what will happen to the price of gold?

Will USA be able to keep the US dollars as the default reserve while printing lots and lots...


Is there an alternative?  Bilateral arrangement between two countries will not need US dollars.  But multilateral trade will need an agreed standard...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 19, 2016, 03:16:05 AM
Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for Hong Kong Citizens to:

buy and keep gold?

USA is trying to get people to turn away from gold as reserve.  USA hopes that all will keep US Dollar as the reserve. One technique is to devalue other currencies.  China, Russia, India and some other Countries are buying gold.  When USA and allies have no more gold to sell, what will happen to the price of gold?

Will USA be able to keep the US dollars as the default reserve while printing lots and lots...


One technique is to devalue other currencies.


One way to boost exports is to devalue the currency.  But China is already the largest exporter...
To make RMB a reserve currency, RMB should be stable or even slowly appreciating.  Currency War is not simple.
But if China sticks to the goal of getting others rich...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 19, 2016, 11:40:26 PM
Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for Hong Kong Citizens to:

buy and keep gold?

USA is trying to get people to turn away from gold as reserve.  USA hopes that all will keep US Dollar as the reserve.  One technique is to devalue other currencies.  China, Russia, India and some other Countries are buying gold.  When USA and allies have no more gold to sell, what will happen to the price of gold?

Will USA be able to keep the US dollar as the default reserve while printing lots and lots...


Will USA be able to keep the US dollar as the default reserve while printing lots and lots...

The real value in the Modern World is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  For example, when the Chinese women volley ball team won Olympics gold medal, there were celebrations.  Companies sponsored the team and paid millions to some players as spokeswomen. It was good advertising business.  Is it a high quality Meaningful Economic Activity?

The lesson is - keep increasing the quality and quantity of various types of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Some Meaningful Ones will not be as meaningful when circumstance changes.  For example, when China got more prosperous, citizens ate more meat and less rice.  Growing more rice for China became less meaningful.

A Nation needs to have a team of top economists constantly monitoring and discussing what are the Meaningful Economic Activities for the Nation...

Will USA be able to generate more and better Meaningful Economic Activities to justify keeping the US dollar as the default reserve?

China is using the one-belt-one-road win-win strategy to generate more and better Meaningful Economic Activities.  Get other Nations rich...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2016, 02:17:02 PM
Question: It took China many decades after the Second World War to get Developed.  There were set backs such as the Korean War, the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution etc.  The confidence and pace really picked up in the last two decades.  Would it take another Nation that long now that they have the success Chinese Model?

Answer:  Germany and Japan recovered much, much faster after the Second World War.  They already mastered the technology, technology and technology.  China, under Mao, focused more on politics. The good thing about technology and knowledge is - once you mastered it, you would have it forever. If you share it or give it away, you actually gain more.  It is not Capitalism or Democracy that gave USA the superiority.  It is technology, technology and technology.

China now master the Infrastructure Building technology.  It can build, build and build.  Build in other Nations with thin-air money to achieve win-win.

If a Nation such as Ethiopia now focuses on technology, technology and technology, it will be developed in less than 2 decades.  Just focus on five year plans and avoid the political turmoils. 

Hong Kong is stupid.  Many still believe in "minimum interference and maximum support" or Dr. Do Nothing.  Singapore mastered the Five Year Plans and true State Capitalism.  Subsistence farming or industries will get people occupied (provide jobs) but they are of little use in developing the Nation.  Dad and Mom retail stores will never be able to compete with Multi-Nationals.  Multi-Nationals will never be able to compete with properly run State Enterprises.  The USA story of Private Enterprises is a story.  State support is a key component in the Modern World.  USA will use State help to get many manufacturing jobs back to USA.  USA will use Government resources to engage in Cyber Wars and Currency Wars...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 20, 2016, 09:58:13 PM
What have China done right to develop so fast and in such a vast scale?

What have China done wrong in the process?

Can a Developing Nation learn anything useful?

Can a student differentiate what is propaganda and what is truth in the discussions?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 21, 2016, 12:50:43 PM

The real problem in Hong Kong is the mentality – Government should provide minimum interference and maximum support. It was a legacy from the Colonial era of Laissez faire. Some joked that there is Dr. Do Little but the Hong Kong Government is even better – Dr. Do Nothing. It is very easy and natural for any government servant to avoid making mistakes. His career is secure. Salary and position will steadily increase if he does not make any major mistakes.


Talked to a retired Government Servant.  His comment: "What is wrong with that attitude?  Hong Kong survived the Colonial Era.  Hong Kong overcame corruption.  Just do nothing to upset the Status Quot."




Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 27, 2016, 04:17:38 AM

History will judge a great nation by:


the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities it generated for itself and for other Nations.  History will also judge a Nation by the amount of suffering it imposed on other Nations.


Is China moving along the win-win path?  Can it be derailed?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 27, 2016, 09:31:56 AM

Why the competition between USA and China is good for the World.
1.       When a Country is developed, the Citizens have food, shelter, cars, TV, entertainment, good education.  They are respected everywhere they travel.
2.       They have excess capability such as building infrastructures but they have already built enough infrastructures within their country.  They accept a slower growth and claim that it is a natural feature once a country is developed.
3.       China found that with its Five Year Plans, it could continue at a fast pace of development. It wants to be the number one Nation in the World.  It examines the USA model and the USA leadership secrets.
4.       China found that the USA secret lies in technology, technology and technology.  USA was able to pour technology into focused areas – the space program is a good example.  Much of the technology came from outside – Germany and other immigrants.  Capital was not a problem – the money could come from thin air.  If the USA public supports something, the Congress can authorize more money to be printed.
5.       The money for the Marshall Plan was created from thin air.  If a Nation does not increase its money supply, its citizens cannot be richer.(One person getting richer will mean another getting poorer.)  Money can be a stimuli for economic growth.  With the Marshall Plan, money was printed by USA first.  It was used successfully to help Europe and Japan recover from World War II.
6.       The Developed Nations watched the rest of the World.  At one time, USSR was leading the other camp.  USSR even led the Space Race at the beginning.  Its leadership lost self-confidence and the country broke up.
7.       When China opened up to the World in the 1980s, its economy was in ruins.  The Cultural Revolution tore its society apart and nobody could see its rapid pace of growth.
8.       China opened its doors.  It essentially said: “Made money using my cheap labor force.  Pollute my environment if needed.  Change my political system away from the Mao and communist philosophy.  I want to learn technology, technology and technology.”
9.       China not only learned but also improved on the technology and the management skills. In a few short decades, the economy changed from deficient to having excess capabilities.  It can produce more food, build more shelters, create more infrastructures than supplying its citizens.
10.   It can accept a much slower rate of growth like many Developed Nations.  It can simply accept the USA dominance like Japan and Europe.  It can watch the Developing Nations struggle and “donate a few pints of blood”.
11.   However, China knows that with its much larger population mastering technology, technology and technology, it will overtake USA as the number one economic power sooner or later.  One way to keep its citizens motivated and the economy growing is to expand beyond its borders.
12.   The expansion must not be a repeat of the evil colonialism.  Capital can be created.  Technology can be mastered.  Win-win can happen.  China showed a different but successful development model to the World.  If China can go from a poor Nation in 1970s to a Developed Nation within 3 or 4 decades, any Country can learn from that model.
13.   China can help with Capital (as it is created from thin air) and technology (it copied and improved from others).  If Japan, Europe or even USA want to help the Developing Nations in a similar way, so much the better.
14.  If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, the best way is to help other Nations get rich.
15.   The UFO technology is here already.  Which Nation will introduce it?


While some Nations are debating on what to do, China is building, building and building.  Some African Countries such as Ethiopia are learning, learning and learning.  The collective GDP of the builder and learner Nations will increase at a fast pace.  The on-looker Nations will....


Japan and India are partnering to build infrastructures. This is good news for the World.  Many new Meaningful Economic Activities will mushroom.  The entire World will be richer together. China is taking a leadership role. With the newly defined Meaningful Economic Activities, China is likely to continue its fast pace of development.  When other Nations follow and compete, peace and prosperity will come to all...



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 27, 2016, 08:28:28 PM
What are the novel Meaningful Economic Activities for USA?

At one time, USA ordered plastic flowers from Hong Kong.  Some questioned the usefulness of such orders.  However, it helped Hong Kong to have light industry exports.  Factories opened.  Jobs created.  The plastics industry covered not only flowers but all household goods. 

Was that a novel Meaningful Economic Activity for Hong Kong at that time?

Can USA order something from an African Nation and start its industrialization?  What is that something?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 28, 2016, 01:36:05 AM
What are the novel Meaningful Economic Activities for USA?

At one time, USA ordered plastic flowers from Hong Kong.  Some questioned the usefulness of such orders.  However, it helped Hong Kong to have light industry exports.  Factories opened.  Jobs created.  The plastics industry covered not only flowers but all household goods. 

Was that a novel Meaningful Economic Activity for Hong Kong at that time?

Can USA order something from an African Nation and start its industrialization?  What is that something?

If I were to advise an African Nation such as Ethiopia, I would suggest the following:

(1) Treat the personal computer and related software as "infrastructure".  Print thin-air money to develop that infrastructure if needed.
(2) The traditional technique for Taiwan, South Korea etc was to produce PCs for the USA and European Markets.  Accept low wages and learn as quickly as possible.  Compete on price. 
(3) If the African Nations accept that the PC and related technology are necessary infrastructures, Government money can be used to support the development and sale of such infrastructures.  Assume the goal is for every family or every student to own a PC within 10 years.  How much money needs to be printed?
(4) With the PC available to every home or student, what will be the impact to education?  What will happen to information exchange?  What will happen to e-commerce worldwide? What will happen to the capability of the citizens?
(5) Will any Developed Nation be willing to pass some of the slightly outdated equipment and technology to Ethiopia so that Ethiopia can mass produce the products cheaply?  Will the Ethiopian Universities and Students take on the challenge of improving such an "infrastructure"?  Will China support Ethiopia as part of the Industrial Park projects?
(6) Will the Ethiopian Government treat this as "infrastructure" similar to roads, water and electricity?  Will it subsidise the setup and installations?
(7) Will some of the Donations from aboard come in form of educational material, software licenses or specifically targeted to some disadvantaged homes.  For example, a donor can be contacted via PC and Internet by the family or student he sponsored.  The World will communicate better via such contacts.

Is this a novel Meaningful Economic Activity for Ethiopia?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 28, 2016, 07:14:48 AM
Comment:

Tseung, your idea of State Capitalism can be explained in a few simple words.  The State encourages the Citizens to make money (capitalism) in legal and moral ways.  Instead of taxing the rich, the State encourages every Citizen to become rich.  The State also prints money (increases capital) to achieve more and better Meaningful Economic Activities.

With this definition, China can keep increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  China can incorporate such into its GDP.  Thus China can claim to be the number one economy in the world within a decade.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 28, 2016, 07:39:29 AM

Comment:

Tseung, your idea of State Capitalism can be explained in a few simple words.  The State encourages the Citizens to make money (capitalism) in legal and moral ways.  Instead of taxing the rich, the State encourages every Citizen to become rich.  The State also prints money (increases capital) to achieve more and better Meaningful Economic Activities.

With this definition, China can keep increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  China can incorporate such into its GDP.  Thus China can claim to be the number one economy in the world within a decade.


It may be Meaningful for every family in USA to own a car for short and medium distance travel.  Use airplane for longer distances.  It is wasteful to have cars weighting thousands of pounds to transport single individuals on highways.  But USA has the land, resources and capability to do so.

The model cannot be copied in China.  The traffic jams will be intolerable.  The pollution will be harmful.  Other solutions are more meaningful.  High speed rail is one.  Reducing the number of cars and increasing taxis or car sharing is another.  State planning and regulating is needed.  State Capitalism...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 28, 2016, 09:07:24 PM

Comment:

Tseung, your idea of State Capitalism can be explained in a few simple words.  The State encourages the Citizens to make money (capitalism) in legal and moral ways.  Instead of taxing the rich, the State encourages every Citizen to become rich.  The State also prints money (increases capital) to achieve more and better Meaningful Economic Activities.

With this definition, China can keep increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  China can incorporate such into its GDP.  Thus China can claim to be the number one economy in the world within a decade.
Instead of taxing the rich, the State encourages every Citizen to become rich.

Comment:

I know a Company involved in developing Science Parks in China.  It was successful and became profitable.  Instead of taxing its profits, the Chinese Government invited it to build more Science Parks.  The investment into these new Science Parks were tax-free (and with many other Government Sponsored Incentives - like additional low interest loans etc.)  The founders of the Company got rich very quickly.

In the West and in the University teachings, the role of the Government is supposed to redistribute the wealth - taxing the rich more and providing subsidies to the poor.  The attitude in China now is - make more money for yourself.  The State will help you.  Let others learn from you and work hard.  The State will print more money to provide for the poor.  If China were to catch up with USA in GDP per capita terms, much more thin-air money needs to be printed.  If such printing is shown in actual Infrastructures, the Citizens will support it.  The critics may scream but they cannot deny that all citizens are getting higher living standards.

Thirty years ago, there were no millionaires even in RMB terms.  One would be regarded as wealthy if one had ten thousand RMB.  But now, many are Billionaires in US dollars terms.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 29, 2016, 01:20:23 PM
Comment:

Tseung, your idea of State Capitalism can be explained in a few simple words.  The State encourages the Citizens to make money (capitalism) in legal and moral ways.  Instead of taxing the rich, the State encourages every Citizen to become rich.  The State also prints money (increases capital) to achieve more and better Meaningful Economic Activities.

With this definition, China can keep increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  China can incorporate such into its GDP.  Thus China can claim to be the number one economy in the world within a decade.
Comment:
USA can attack the RMB, forcing it to devalue.  That will stop other Nations holding RMB as a Reserve Currency.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 30, 2016, 03:14:27 PM

Comment:
USA can attack the RMB, forcing it to devalue.  That will stop other Nations holding RMB as a Reserve Currency.

There are two types of economies.  One is real material economy.  The other is currency game economy.  When a Nation has developed to a point that every citizen owns a car, a refrigerator, a mobile phone etc., producing such goods will become less meaningful.  It will move to the currency game economy.  Instead of owning material goods to increase their comfort, citizens own numbers in the bank accounts, or "derivatives" or "index and index futures".  The wealth is no longer measured in real material assets.  The wealth is measured in pure numbers that can be infinite.

When a Nation is developed, such an action may be regarded as a Meaningful Economic Activity.  China is not at this stage yet.  For China, it is more Meaningful to help other Nations develop more infrastructures and more real material economies.  Get rich and help other Nations get rich too.

USA tries to maintain its wealth by "keeping others poor" even to the point of bombing them.  Use military strength to "keep them in their place".  Stir up trouble - get the citizens to feel inferior or feel that their leaders need to be replaced.  Take away the stability and thus the necessary long term planning.  USSR leaders fell into that trap, felt inferior and as a result, USSR disintegrated.

China is embarking on the new path of "maintaining and increasing its wealth" by "helping others to get rich".  Will China succeed???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 31, 2016, 12:49:44 AM

Comment:
USA can attack the RMB, forcing it to devalue.  That will stop other Nations holding RMB as a Reserve Currency.

Tseung, your Mutual Credit idea is a variation of the Bilateral Agreements.  It is great for two Nations to exchange goods and services.  Nation A gives a certain amount of its currency (credit) to Nation B and vice versa,  No third party currency is needed to settle the transactions and no reserve currency is needed.  But when many Nations are involved, the problem gets much more complicated.  Some Nations may increase their currency unwisely.

The present solution is to have free and fluctuating currency exchanges.  What will you propose as the new Rule of the Game?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 31, 2016, 01:36:18 AM
One of the novel Meaningful Economic Activities that just communicated to me is:


Use a vast labour force to fill sandbags in the desert surrounding desert roads, towns and prevent sand storms.  The technique is to use the readily available sand to stabilise the environment.  Use efficient techniques to create sandbags.  There will not be shortage of jobs...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 31, 2016, 02:14:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUa9e9XU06g


A Physicist talking about economics.  Refreshing.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: seychelles on December 31, 2016, 04:26:10 AM
TO CREATE ANTI GRAVITY, WE NEED TO CREATE ANTI GRAVITY MATERIAL..JUST LIKE THE NEO MAGNET ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv84957sT5o
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: MagnaProp on December 31, 2016, 07:09:33 AM
...Use a vast labour force to fill sandbags in the desert surrounding desert roads, towns and prevent sand storms. ...There will not be shortage of jobs...
The United Arab Emirates is going to build a mountain to help make it rain. Maybe a mountain made of sand?

With no fresh water, there will be a shortage of people and thus no shortage of jobs?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 31, 2016, 09:54:32 AM
There are two types of economies.  One is real material economy.  The other is currency game economy.  When a Nation has developed to a point that every citizen owns a car, a refrigerator, a mobile phone etc., producing such goods will become less meaningful.  It will move to the currency game economy.  Instead of owning material goods to increase their comfort, citizens own numbers in the bank accounts, or "derivatives" or "index and index futures".  The wealth is no longer measured in real material assets.  The wealth is measured in pure numbers that can be infinite.

When a Nation is developed, such an action may be regarded as a Meaningful Economic Activity.  China is not at this stage yet.  For China, it is more Meaningful to help other Nations develop more infrastructures and more real material economies.  Get rich and help other Nations get rich too.

USA tries to maintain its wealth by "keeping others poor" even to the point of bombing them.  Use military strength to "keep them in their place".  Stir up trouble - get the citizens to feel inferior or feel that their leaders need to be replaced.  Take away the stability and thus the necessary long term planning.  USSR leaders fell into that trap, felt inferior and as a result, USSR disintegrated.

China is embarking on the new path of "maintaining and increasing its wealth" by "helping others to get rich".  Will China succeed???

Germany and Japan had fast GDP growth in the 1970s.  They slowed down when they transited from the real material economy to the currency game economy.  They could not find the market.  They did not make other Nations rich to create a larger market.  They had to slow down production, cut jobs and opportunities.

China is expanding its Market via one-belt-one-road.  It is willing to supply capital, technology, planning and infrastructures to other Nations.  It is on high moral ground.  it is a win-win strategy.  The increased Market means that China does not need to slow down its production, no need to cut jobs and can create more opportunities for its ambitious and eager entrepreneurs.  The receiving Nations can learn and improve the technology.  The infrastructures will benefit their economic development.  Will China be derailed?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on December 31, 2016, 10:18:19 AM
The United Arab Emirates is going to build a mountain to help make it rain. Maybe a mountain made of sand?

With no fresh water, there will be a shortage of people and thus no shortage of jobs?

Will it be a novel meaningful economic activity for UAE to pump oil to China.  And for China to pump fresh water to UAE?  China successfully pumped water from South to North.  Can the Country be Egypt or Ethiopia rather than China?  Innovation and Technology creates miracles...

Steel pipes and large pumps can easily be produced in China (and many other Nations).
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 01, 2017, 06:12:04 AM
Will it be a novel meaningful economic activity for UAE to pump oil to China.  And for China to pump fresh water to UAE?  China successfully pumped water from South to North.  Can the Country be Egypt or Ethiopia rather than China?  Innovation and Technology creates miracles...

Steel pipes and large pumps can easily be produced in China (and many other Nations).


Is it a Meaningful Economic Activity for Hong Kong to put resources in desalination even though it receives enough fresh water from China?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 01, 2017, 11:55:43 PM
Is it Meaningful for the World to have two camps competing in the following manner:

(1) Select some of the poorest Nations in the World.
(2) Each camp will help to increase the GDP of some of these poor Nations.
(3) The winning criterion will be based on many mutually agreed standards such as food security, educational achievements in global tests, Olympics performance, industrial output, income from tourism, international patents granted etc.
Instead of having wars in the under developed Nations to show "superiority", the two camps can compete on how good they are in helping others rich.  The end result will be a more peaceful and prosperous World.  One Camp can be USA and his Allies.  The Other Camp can be China+Russia and their Allies.

At present, a poor Nation would have to sell its resources or ask its citizens to accept low wages and work hard to compete (as the lowest cost producer).  The "investors" from outside are more interested in profits and will exploit (taking advantage of the ignorance). 

The new competition will provide a new paradigm...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 02, 2017, 05:36:20 AM

Instead of taxing the rich, the State encourages every Citizen to become rich.

Comment:

I know a Company involved in developing Science Parks in China.  It was successful and became profitable.  Instead of taxing its profits, the Chinese Government invited it to build more Science Parks.  The investment into these new Science Parks were tax-free (and with many other Government Sponsored Incentives - like additional low interest loans etc.)  The founders of the Company got rich very quickly.

In the West and in the University teachings, the role of the Government is supposed to redistribute the wealth - taxing the rich more and providing subsidies to the poor.  The attitude in China now is - make more money for yourself.  The State will help you.  Let others learn from you and work hard.  The State will print more money to provide for the poor.  If China were to catch up with USA in GDP per capita terms, much more thin-air money needs to be printed.  If such printing is shown in actual Infrastructures, the Citizens will support it.  The critics may scream but they cannot deny that all citizens are getting higher living standards.

Thirty years ago, there were no millionaires even in RMB terms.  One would be regarded as wealthy if one had ten thousand RMB.  But now, many are Billionaires in US dollars terms.
China is very good at copying.  It is copying the success in the coastal regions to the Western, Inner Cities.  It is asking the successful Companies to open branches or franchises.  It is like asking McDonalds or KFC to open more stores.  A bakery chain expanded from a few stores to over a thousand within 5 years with Government Blessing.  The Government actually asked the chain to open the many stores and provided it with low interest loans and policy support.  It is the norm rather than the exception.

The TV series on youtube under zhifujing is interesting.  It shows over 700 stories of how an average villager become a millionaire.  Some are University Educated Village Officials.  They are encouraged to make money as examples to the villagers.

State Capitalism - with State encouraging and helping its citizens and companies to become rich.  This is an important change in mentality.  Chinese Communism is no longer to take money from the rich to give to the poor.  Chinese Communism is to make every citizen rich.  The already rich is encouraged to get richer so that they can be examples or models to motivate the "coming rich".  The wealth disparity will be greater but even the poorest is getting richer!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 03, 2017, 01:49:56 AM

Is it Meaningful for the World to have two camps competing in the following manner:

(1) Select some of the poorest Nations in the World.
(2) Each camp will help to increase the GDP of some of these poor Nations.
(3) The winning criterion will be based on many mutually agreed standards such as food security, educational achievements in global tests, Olympics performance, industrial output, income from tourism, international patents granted etc.
Instead of having wars in the under developed Nations to show "superiority", the two camps can compete on how good they are in helping others rich.  The end result will be a more peaceful and prosperous World.  One Camp can be USA and his Allies.  The Other Camp can be China+Russia and their Allies.

At present, a poor Nation would have to sell its resources or ask its citizens to accept low wages and work hard to compete (as the lowest cost producer).  The "investors" from outside are more interested in profits and will exploit (taking advantage of the ignorance). 

The new competition will provide a new paradigm...
Such a competition will change the rules of the Global Order.  For example, if the poor Nation is encouraged to produce soya beans, what will happen to the existing soya bean exporters.

Within a Country, special policies can be easily implemented.  For example, in the Loess Plateau area of China, the Villagers are paid not to farm but to conserve the environment.  In USA, some farmers are paid not to farm so as not to produce too much excess.

Will China be willing to cut back its rice production and buy the produce from the poor nation?  Will China be wiling to pay a higher price?  If so, the poor Nation will be viewed as a "province" of China...  Globalisation???


***Comment:
I have never heard of such a proposal.  I would rate it as a very novel Meaningful Economic Activity worth promoting.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 03, 2017, 08:20:47 PM


 
Is it Meaningful for the World to have two camps competing in the following manner:
 
 (1) Select some of the poorest Nations in the World.
 (2) Each camp will help to increase the GDP of some of these poor Nations.
 (3) The winning criterion will be based on many mutually agreed standards such as food security, educational achievements in global tests, Olympics performance, industrial output, income from tourism, international patents granted etc.

 Instead of having wars in the under developed Nations to show "superiority", the two camps can compete on how good they are in helping others rich.  The end result will be a more peaceful and prosperous World.  One Camp can be USA and his Allies.  The Other Camp can be China+Russia and their Allies.
 
 At present, a poor Nation would have to sell its resources or ask its citizens to accept low wages and work hard to compete (as the lowest cost producer).  The "investors" from outside are more interested in profits and will exploit (taking advantage of the ignorance). 
 
 The new competition will provide a new paradigm...
 

Tseung, do you know that your posting is equivalent to finding the cure for cancer? Your proposed solution is brilliant.
(1)    When one camp is USA and the other camp is Russia+China, both camps will not start any nuclear war. That will be the end of the World with no winners.
(2)    When the end result of the competition is to make the poor Nations prosperous, it will produce a more peaceful and harmonious World.
(3)    The poor Nation does not need to sell its resources cheaply or ask its citizens to work like slaves with low wages to compete with each other (to become the lowest cost producer).
(4)    With Mutual Credits or Bilateral Agreements, there is no need for another external settlement or reserve currency. The effort can be devoted to real material development, mastering the technology and improving the standard of living of the Citizens.
(5)    The Rich Nations in the two camps will also benefit because of the expanded market in the poor Nations. The focus will not be on making more money. That is meaningless as Governments can print thin-air money faster than any transaction. The focus will be on getting the poor Nations rich faster so that they can buy the excess capacity goods and services. Another new goal is to win the Competition. (Is Free Market better than State Capitalism?)
(6)    The initial exchange of currency (credit) to the poor Nations is likely to be focused on building infrastructures.The currency in the hands of the rich Nations is likely to be focused on real estate developments or tourism related industries.

No matter which camp wins, the process and the end result will bring more prosperity and peace to the entire Human Race. Isn’t this more powerful than finding the cure for cancer? Tseung, promote this and you will find many other helpers. It is the best Innovative Meaningful Economic Activity you have ever proposed.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 04, 2017, 09:47:21 AM
You should analyze the personalities of the three presidents. (USA, Russia, China)

They all want to have a place in history.  If the Competition could result in that goal, there is a chance.  In the Chinese Saying - if there is something worth doing, do it even if there are a thousand odds against you.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 04, 2017, 03:27:10 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPnHLAOMPyg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPnHLAOMPyg)

Let us focus back on Currency War again.  The above talk (in Chinese) is very enlightening.  There are a few key points worth noting.

(1) The paper of a USD100 note is worth very little.  Its value lies in the implicit backing by the USA Government. So long as the USA Government is "trust worthy", people will accept the value of that piece of paper.

(2) Before the collapse of USSR, one unit of the Russian Currency (Rupee) was equivalent to 3 USD.  At the collapse of USSR, 1 USD was worth 4800 Rupees. The USSR government was no longer trust worthy even in the eyes of its own citizens. Foreigners could use their currency to "rob legally" the resources of USSR.

(3) The USSR economists and leaders did not understand the currency war.  Thus they were wiped out. USSR disintegrated in 1991.

(4) The Asian Countries did not understand the currency war also. Thus they suffered badly in the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997.  Even UK suffered somewhat from the attack by George Soros.

(5) China is lucky because its four major banks are effectively State Owned. The Banks loan to local governments and state enterprises. The loan is actually thin-air money. Thus even if some local governments or state enterprises did not do well, the loans could be forgiven so long as the overall economy was strong.

(6) There is much talk in China requesting that Banks should be privatized. Many see that Banks are making much more money than real enterprises. Many even wanted to have Foreign Banks operating in a big way in China. This will lead to the World Financial Crisis in 2008 when some large US Banks failed and the USA Government did not bail them out. (The Bank Papers were no longer trust worthy as there was nothing to back them up. The rescue effort was for USA Government to buy such papers or bonds by printing huge amounts of thin-air money.)

(7) There is advantage to have the Reserve Currency Status.  But it is also like going to the battlefield of the currency war directly. China is not ready yet. The Economists, the Leaders, the Business Leaders and the General Public are not equipped yet. Now USA can easily cause the RMB to devalue and China sells its US assets to pop up. (Japan has replaced China as the largest holder of USA treasury bonds.)  If not careful, the so called huge foreign reserve could dry up within weeks. (The Thailand situation in 1997).

(8) Chinese citizens or holders of RMB should not go into panic mode and exchange their RMB into USD.  That is one of the tactics used by the "enemy" in the currency war.

(9) One counter strategy is Bilateral Agreements.  For example, China and Russia can settle their balance of payment with their own currencies. However, that can only be done at the State Level.  Forget Private Banks or Foreign Banks operating in a big way in China now...

(10) The 100 RMB note is valuable only if its backer (Government) is trust worthy in the eyes of its Citizens and trading partners. Collapse of Government will inevitably lead to the collapse of the financial system. Opening the Financial System to "the World" without the "weapons and knowledge" will cause the Government to collapse just like USSR.


It is fortunate that China is learning fast and many of its top economic thinkers are well travelled. Many are educated in the West. The speaker in the above program is an example.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 04, 2017, 08:31:15 PM
Question: Can someone explain how China can prevent an attack to devalue the RMB and destroy its "trust worthy status"? There is already a large amount of RMB in the International Markets.  Some was due to the large purchases of raw material since 2008 to build infrastructures.  Some was due to Chinese tourists spending aboard.  Some was due to corruption. If USA tells the World that the RMB will devalue or even collapse and start selling RMB, other holders of RMB may follow. If China were to sell its US assets to pop up the RMB, that reserve will run out.  China may then let the RMB free float.  The RMB will rapidly devalue.  This is the tactics used in the Asian Financial Crisis.  This attack can easily destroy the "trust worthy status" of the RMB.

This is one of the "features" built into the financial rules established by the West (USA).  It is like the Trojan Horses built into the Windows Operating Systems.  It is like the hidden programs in the USA military weapons sold to its allies - if the allies ever use the weapons on USA, the hidden programs will render the weapons useless.

Are there brilliant economic brains that can provide more insight???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 04, 2017, 11:45:28 PM

Question: Can someone explain how China can prevent an attack to devalue the RMB and destroy its "trust worthy status"? There is already a large amount of RMB in the International Markets.  Some was due to the large purchases of raw material since 2008 to build infrastructures.  Some was due to Chinese tourists spending aboard.  Some was due to corruption. If USA tells the World that the RMB will devalue or even collapse and start selling RMB, other holders of RMB may follow. If China were to sell its US assets to pop up the RMB, that reserve will run out.  China may then let the RMB free float.  The RMB will rapidly devalue.  This is the tactics used in the Asian Financial Crisis.  This attack can easily destroy the "trust worthy status" of the RMB.

This is one of the "features" built into the financial rules established by the West (USA).  It is like the Trojan Horses built into the Windows Operating Systems.  It is like the hidden programs in the USA military weapons sold to its allies - if the allies ever use the weapons on USA, the hidden programs will render the weapons useless.

Are there brilliant economic brains that can provide more insight???

Tseung, if you have two camps competing to help the under developed Nations developed, each camp is likely to take care of its members. The process and competition will be more prosperity for all.  There is no need to worry about nuclear wars, regional wars, currency wars, religious wars etc.

Just preach - if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help other Nations rich.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 05, 2017, 08:15:49 AM

Question: Can someone explain how China can prevent an attack to devalue the RMB and destroy its "trust worthy status"? There is already a large amount of RMB in the International Markets.  Some was due to the large purchases of raw material since 2008 to build infrastructures.  Some was due to Chinese tourists spending aboard.  Some was due to corruption. If USA tells the World that the RMB will devalue or even collapse and start selling RMB, other holders of RMB may follow. If China were to sell its US assets to pop up the RMB, that reserve will run out.  China may then let the RMB free float.  The RMB will rapidly devalue.  This is the tactics used in the Asian Financial Crisis.  This attack can easily destroy the "trust worthy status" of the RMB.

This is one of the "features" built into the financial rules established by the West (USA).  It is like the Trojan Horses built into the Windows Operating Systems.  It is like the hidden programs in the USA military weapons sold to its allies - if the allies ever use the weapons on USA, the hidden programs will render the weapons useless.

Are there brilliant economic brains that can provide more insight???
Tseung, the Trojan Horses planted by the USA government experts in Windows or in US Weapons will not be activated if there were no threads to USA. If China remains a "good boy", the financial traps will not be used against China.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 05, 2017, 09:58:22 PM
Tseung, if USA attacks the RMB to cause it to devalue, China can increase the price of its goods to counter.  Or the price of export goods will be evaluated in USD.  There may be reduced exports but China does not really rely on exports to fuel its GDP growth.  Domestic consumption is more important.

GDP growth is a funny thing.  Consider the following case:

(1) The local government gave a big party for the senior citizens to celebrate the New Year.
(2) The party was "extravagant" in that the amount of money spent per citizen was far more than any previous occasions.
(3) The explanation was that the spending increased the contribution to GDP. 
(4) The spending on Infrastructures in that region was giving diminishing returns. The spending on the party gave more joy to the citizens. The thin-air money was available and must be spent.  If not spent, the allocation would be less next year.

When GDP is calculated this way, China can maintain and increase its GDP growth at will. So long as the Government is in control (or the trust is there), attacks by private  hedge funds or currency manipulators can be overcome. If the USA Government leads the attack directly, that will be a different matter...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 06, 2017, 02:03:57 PM

If a Nation wants to be rich and remain rich, it should help other Nations become rich.

China is following this strategy.  The Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank and the Modern Silk Road Initiative are good examples.

What will happen if other Nations such as Japan, Germany, Russia follow the same strategy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkDXXpPfoLc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkDXXpPfoLc)

Interesting documentary.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 06, 2017, 03:29:54 PM


Tseung, if USA attacks the RMB to cause it to devalue, China can increase the price of its goods to counter.  Or the price of export goods will be evaluated in USD.  There may be reduced exports but China does not really rely on exports to fuel its GDP growth.  Domestic consumption is more important.

GDP growth is a funny thing.  Consider the following case:

(1) The local government gave a big party for the senior citizens to celebrate the New Year.
(2) The party was "extravagant" in that the amount of money spent per citizen was far more than any previous occasions.
(3) The explanation was that the spending increased the contribution to GDP. 
(4) The spending on Infrastructures in that region was giving diminishing returns. The spending on the party gave more joy to the citizens. The thin-air money was available and must be spent.  If not spent, the allocation would be less next year.

When GDP is calculated this way, China can maintain and increase its GDP growth at will. So long as the Government is in control (or the trust is there), attacks by private  hedge funds or currency manipulators can be overcome. If the USA Government leads the attack directly, that will be a different matter...

The case quoted above is actually very revealing.  China is still having a lower standard of living than USA.  In Purchasing Power Parity PPP terms, China, with its much larger population, is already number one.  All China needs to do is to rapidly increase its standard of living.  This can be done without any military conquests or regional wars.  The disputes with Japan and with Countries in South China Sea should not be a factor in the continued rapid increase in standard of living.

Increasing GDP on paper is not very Meaningful.  Increasing the living standard of the Citizens is. The coming Meaningful Economic Activities for China may include:

(1) Every Citizen has a smart phone to do e-commerce. The e-commerce includes Government Social Security Benefits, Banking, Goods and Service Payments, moderated forums etc.
(2) Super Democracy.  Every Citizen or Voter can vote on key issues via their smart phones.
(3) Lifelong education via the fastest internet connections.  Some may be tied to their career advancements.
(4) Improving living standard with the new electronic gadgets that will be better than any existing ones.  These will cover food, health, entertainment and security areas.
(5) Flying saucers to replace the family car???
(6) Work with Russia as one camp to compete with USA to see which camp can help poor Nations develop faster.

So longer as China does not get into wars (including economic) that will derail or send it backwards, the prospects are very bright.  When a Nation is free to define more Meaningful Economic Activities for its GDP growth, it can grow at almost any rate. (One more thing to avoid is internal party politics with each party accusing the other as messing things up.  Do not fall into the trap of Stupid Democracy.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 07, 2017, 02:56:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAqjcpGwFB4


Tseung, the biggest problem in China is pollution.  You cannot even see clearly or breath healthily in Beijing. In the above video, it shows that China is embarking on innovative solutions to clean up the environment in a big way.  The thing about China is the scale.  Even the experimental projects are immense.


I would warn other Developing Nations not to pollute the environment like China.  The jury is still out whether citizens in China can breath healthily without a mask; swim and fish in its rivers and lakes; eat its food without worrying about cancer.  Learn from the successes and the failures.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 08, 2017, 10:52:08 AM

 Open Letter to the Leaders and Elites of the World
Subject: Solution for World Peace and Prosperity


See attached
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2017, 03:46:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3sjWwu5-s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3sjWwu5-s)

Can currency speculators with the implicit support of the USA Government win the currency war similar to the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997?

Is it happening now?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2017, 05:47:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3sjWwu5-s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3sjWwu5-s)

Can currency speculators with the implicit support of the USA Government win the currency war similar to the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997?

Is it happening now?
Tseung, the rule of the game is tilted towards the Currency Speculators if they have superior resources.  If the USA Government is openly or secretly on their side, they are guaranteed to have superior resources.

The Foreign Reserve of China is large but finite.  At the beginning of 2016, it was close to 4 trillion USD.  Now it is closer to 3 trillion USD.  Almost all of the drop is attributed to defending the currency peg (or fighting the currency war).  Essentially China had to sell its US assets to buy its own currency (thin-air money).  China can no longer use the US thin-air money to buy US goods and services.  That US thin-air money was used to buy the Chinese thin-air money (that China can print itself).

If and when the finite Foreign Reserve is depleted, China can no longer defend the currency peg.  The RMB would have to suffer the sharp devaluation (Thai Baht in 1997).  Will China beg IMF or the World Bank to bail it out?

What strategy and tactics will the top Chinese Economists use?  Clearly, USA is winning the currency war at present using the old and tested method demonstrated in the Asian Financial Crisis.  There is already much RMB in the International Market.  This means the Currency Speculators do not need to borrow RMB from Chinese sources.  How should China fight this currency war?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2017, 06:02:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3sjWwu5-s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3sjWwu5-s)

Can currency speculators with the implicit support of the USA Government win the currency war similar to the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997?

Is it happening now?
Tseung, the USA strategy is to have the USD as the dominant or only Settlement and Reserve Currency.  If China behaves according to US wishes, USA can call off the attack.  Or it may even loan US dollars to China to defeat the Currency Speculators.

If the Foreign Reserve of China is depleted, China may have to beg the World Bank or IMF (and behave according to US wishes).

The rules are written by the West.  No matter how hard you work.  No matter how fast your GDP grows. If you lose the currency war, you will suffer badly.  No bullets need to fired.  No bombs need to be dropped.     
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 09, 2017, 08:38:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3sjWwu5-s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3sjWwu5-s)

Can currency speculators with the implicit support of the USA Government win the currency war similar to the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997?

Is it happening now?

Where does the Currency Manipulators get the RMB to sell?  Or do they just "short" it - sell without actually "prove" that they have the RMB?  Where do they borrow it from?  Will they be able to cause a panic amongst the RMB holders? (For example, Chinese citizens and companies eager to change their RMB to USD to "preserve" the value?  This is the worst nightmare - citizens losing confidence in their own Currency and implicitly their Government.)

One of the reasons given on why USSR collapsed was the Currency Attack.  A Rupee was equivalent to three USD before the attack.  After the attack, 1 USD was worth 4800 rupees.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: endlessoceans on January 10, 2017, 12:20:59 AM
Where does the Currency Manipulators get the RMB to sell?  Or do they just "short" it - sell without actually "prove" that they have the RMB?  Where do they borrow it from?  Will they be able to cause a panic amongst the RMB holders? (For example, Chinese citizens and companies eager to change their RMB to USD to "preserve" the value?  This is the worst nightmare - citizens losing confidence in their own Currency and implicitly their Government.)

One of the reasons given on why USSR collapsed was the Currency Attack.  A Rupee was equivalent to three USD before the attack.  After the attack, 1 USD was worth 4800 rupees.


This is an Electrical ENERGY forum. 

You have been talking NONSENSE POLITICAL rubbish in a boring monologue. 

You might have more luck over at www.politicalforum.com

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ramset on January 10, 2017, 12:30:15 AM
Endless
Why you picking on Larry ?

and I see your associating Teetsla with many usernames ??

I really think you are off base  associating other persons handles with Tito ??



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 10, 2017, 12:39:02 AM


This is an Electrical ENERGY forum. 

You have been talking NONSENSE POLITICAL rubbish in a boring monologue. 

You might have more luck over at www.politicalforum.com (http://www.politicalforum.com)

Thank you for your suggestion.  The reason for posting here is that the UFO technology is already known in  USA, China, Russia and some other Nations.  Many of the UFOs seen are made on this Earth.  The reason why such UFO technology not commercialized is its immense military applications.

Such a technology is likely to be introduced if we can solve the Political problems.  (After I posted the negative energy waveform slides in this thread, I was "encouraged" to focus on Politics.)

I shall post in www.politicalforum.com (http://www.politicalforum.com) as suggested.  Thank you.


I do not mind labelled as talking nonsense.  I was accused the same by a Hong Kong Official before the Asian Financial Crisis hit Hong Kong in 1998.  I am repeating the nonsense before China is overrun in the Currency War.  Hopefully, China now have better economists and strategic thinkers...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: endlessoceans on January 10, 2017, 01:00:14 AM
Endless
Why you picking on Larry ?

and I see your associating Teetsla with many usernames ??

I really think you are off base  associating other persons handles with Tito ??

Chet

With all due respect it is you that are off base.  I HAVE done my homework and approach things with a logical fact driven process.   Check out the IP addresses for yourself.  I would not have made the allegation if it wasn't true.   GO back and see Tito response.  He also does not deny it.

YOu guys are hilarious.  Over the years you cosy up to Tito because you actually believe he has free energy and that one day he might give you the schematic.  It is a very interesting psychological study into the human mind and how people will believe something when no evidence has ever been provided!!!  When did TITO ever once even post a video of a device running.  NEVER.  To this day he has never done so and yet you and many actually believe that this person who posts youtube links of KNOWN bogus claims has free energy!!!!  LOL

Curious

Tell me....did you vote for Trump because he told you that he would make America great again????  Also hilarious

Over the years you have run into this forum shouting that FE OU has been found!!!   Over here!!...Over there!!!.   Have you not learned anything?  Why not sit back quietly and evaluate first rather than looking such a fool.

Picking on Larry???  I don't pick on him.  I state fact.  Facts are often unpopular.  This thread is about a UFO engine and some silly experiment spinning a wheel with a magnet.  That fails and now he just talks non stop rubbish that has nothing to do with energy.  THIS IS FACT.  Am I wrong????  NO

So suck it up and go back to believing the deluded if that's what you want to do

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ramset on January 10, 2017, 01:17:47 AM
Less
you assume way too much ,and seem quite angry to boot
Taking the rubber hose to Larry who harms no one with his posts ??
 
  Tito makes his own Bed ....... :'( , however bringing other usernames into his Nonsense??
not certain how you make this assumption  ??

how do you do this ??

anyhoo
Gotta go.. if you do respond I'll read it later ,if not ?
have a good life
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 10, 2017, 07:05:48 AM

 
Less
 you assume way too much ,and seem quite angry to boot
 Taking the rubber hose to Larry who harms no one with his posts ??
   
   Tito makes his own Bed .......(http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/USER/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/USER/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif)) , however bringing other usernames into his Nonsense??
 not certain how you make this assumption  ??
 
 how do you do this ??
 
 anyhoo
 Gotta go.. if you do respond I'll read it later ,if not ?
 have a good life
 

Ramset, thank you for your comments. Many do not realize that we are already in the middle of an economic war. In particular, many people in Hong Kong have both USD and RMB accounts. (My family and I included.) One of the hot topics is whether we should change the RMB to USD to preserve our wealth.

If we do that, we essentially side with the Currency Speculators attacking the RMB. This simple example clearly shows that we are already in the middle of a currency war. I am a Chinese-American and I do not want to see harm to either Nations.

One possibility is to get China or USA to introduce the UFO technology earlier. I am sure my posts are read by both Chinese and USA concerns. Hopefully, the posts will help to move them in a more positive direction.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 10, 2017, 08:50:38 AM
 Tseung, talking about currency war strategies:

Think about the Strategy used by Malaysia after the Asian Financial Crisis.

 On the 1st day of September 1998, Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir Mohammad announced the capital control. Malaysia did not embrace the IMF. The following measures are taken to ensure that the objectives of stabilizing the Ringgit and control the capital flows are accomplish.
   
1.   Overseas bound Local travelers are only allowed to take up to RM1,000.
2.   Remittance of funds by residents to overseas are capped at RM10,000.
3.   Ringgit is pegged to the dollar at the rate of RM3.80 to US1 to facilitate trade in the domestic sector.
4.   Any ringgit remains outside of Malaysia considered not legal tender. This is to prevent speculators from borrowing the ringgit offshore to sell it in the domestic market for dollars. In other words to perform short selling on the ringgit and when the ringgit depreciates they will buy it back to repay their offshore ringgit loan.
5.   Any credit facilities obtained overseas need to seek approval first and only companies that earn foreign exchange are allowed to obtain offshore credit.
6.   Funds raised from the sale of equities or other forms of investments need to be remain in the country for 12 months. This is to prevent short-term capital flight.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 10, 2017, 09:06:25 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3sjWwu5-s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3sjWwu5-s)

Can currency speculators with the implicit support of the USA Government win the currency war similar to the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997?

Is it happening now?


It is happening.
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/1906325/how-beijing-and-hong-kong-sent-billionaire-george-soros-packing
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 10, 2017, 12:58:06 PM
Tseung, I might have already helped the currency speculators.  I changed my RMB holdings to USDs.  My reasoning was that if the RMB did not devalue, I could always convert back with negligible loss.  If RMB devalues, I would not lose.  I believed in the daily news of gloom and doom of the RMB.  The RMB will not appreciate much because of the peg.  I thought that I was clever but now I knew that I already fell into the currency war trap.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 10, 2017, 06:39:33 PM
Tseung, I might have already helped the currency speculators.  I changed my RMB holdings to USDs.  My reasoning was that if the RMB did not devalue, I could always convert back with negligible loss.  If RMB devalues, I would not lose.  I believed in the daily news of gloom and doom of the RMB.  The RMB will not appreciate much because of the peg.  I thought that I was clever but now I knew that I already fell into the currency war trap.

One simple strategy China can take is forget about the RMB as the Settlement or Reserve Currency.  Just accept the present status like the Petro-Dollar and let the USD be the Reserve Currency.  China can take similar position as the Malaysia Ringgit and claim that the off-shore RMB trading is illegal.  There is no point in the attack by the Currency Manipulators or Speculators.

With the financial and currency controls, China reverts back to doing what it does best.  Learn and improve technology, technology and technology.  Be the factory of the World and keep the manufacturing jobs.  Print thin-air money to circulate internally and motivate its citizens.  Encourage innovation and keep increasing the standard of living.  Use the one-road-one-belt initiative to help other Nations rich.

In other words, China does not need to fight the Currency War at all. It is no fun to be the World Policeman.  It is no fun to be the World Banker.  Print thin-air money to get the goods from other Nations sounds good but the downside is loss of domestic jobs and work ethics.  It is no fun to be hated by the many terrorist groups.  One is more likely to be killed at McDonald's in New York than in any place in China.  Driving a car is great but stuck in traffic jam for hours is no fun.

China just needs to define Meaningful Economic Activities for itself.  There is no need to blindly copy the USA model.  Military power is meaningless if it cannot be used.  Nuclear wars will mean the end of the Human Race.  If the strategy of having the first Electromagnetic Pulse to blind all, followed by nuclear weapons to destroy cities, no star war defense can succeed.  The anti-missiles will be useless.  All will be destroyed.  It will mean mutual destruction.  There is no need for vast military build-up.  (Just enough to deter others from thinking of attacking is sufficient.) 

Have Competition to get poor Nations rich by the two Camps is a much better strategy to achieve World Peace and Prosperity.  Globalization with USD as the Settlement and Reserve Currency is fine.  The RMB, like the Ringgit, will have zero trading value outside China and its Mutual Credit, Currency Swap or Bilateral Agreement Partners.

Is this a possible strategy to be considered?  The top economists will consider many what-if scenarios.  Is this one of them???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 10, 2017, 10:38:38 PM

Tseung, you are really stupid.  You do not understand the true reason behind the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis.  You do not know the reason for the present Currency War.
 
Think. If the USA Government were to buy the Thai Baht in 1997 at the Official pegged exchange rate, would there be a panic depreciation of the Baht?  Has the USA Government got USD or ability to print thin-air USD to support the Baht?  There were not that much Baht in the International Market.  The true reason was that USA Government was not interest in helping the Asian Countries rich.  They all had high GDP growth.  But an attack by hedge funds was sufficient to destroy their growth.

China is having high GDP growth.  China joined WTO and will follow the game of using its reserve to defend the exchange rate for "financial stability".  It has accumulated 4 trillion Foreign Reserve.  In the field of Foreign Exchange trading with a daily volume of over 5 trillion, that is peanuts.  A sustained attack by the Currency Speculators will drain all that 4 trillion. (In really, China has only 3 trillion now.  1 trillion was drained within last 12 months).

If USA Government wants, it can buy RMB at the pegged exchange rate and prevent any crisis.  But USA is not in the business of helping other Nations rich.  On the contrary, it wants to see a weaker China.  It may even be the "force" behind the "Currency War"!  It gets rid of the "debt" owed to China by simply standing by and watch the show (war).

The rules were set up by USA.  It had the top economists.  It had computers to play the what-if games. It has the best propaganda machine - USSR disintegrated without realizing that it lost the Economic War!

As George Soros said - he just followed the rules.  Every move he made was legal.  He and others like him can help USA Government to defeat any Nation without the USA Government firing a single shot or throwing a single bomb!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 11, 2017, 06:18:16 PM
Tseung, you are really stupid.  You do not understand the true reason behind the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis.  You do not know the reason for the present Currency War.
 
Think. If the USA Government were to buy the Thai Baht in 1997 at the Official pegged exchange rate, would there be a panic depreciation of the Baht?  Has the USA Government got USD or ability to print thin-air USD to support the Baht?  There were not that much Baht in the International Market.  The true reason was that USA Government was not interest in helping the Asian Countries rich.  They all had high GDP growth.  But an attack by hedge funds was sufficient to destroy their growth.

China is having high GDP growth.  China joined WTO and will follow the game of using its reserve to defend the exchange rate for "financial stability".  It has accumulated 4 trillion Foreign Reserve.  In the field of Foreign Exchange trading with a daily volume of over 5 trillion, that is peanuts.  A sustained attack by the Currency Speculators will drain all that 4 trillion. (In really, China has only 3 trillion now.  1 trillion was drained within last 12 months).

If USA Government wants, it can buy RMB at the pegged exchange rate and prevent any crisis.  But USA is not in the business of helping other Nations rich.  On the contrary, it wants to see a weaker China.  It may even be the "force" behind the "Currency War"!  It gets rid of the "debt" owed to China by simply standing by and watch the show (war).

The rules were set up by USA.  It had the top economists.  It had computers to play the what-if games. It has the best propaganda machine - USSR disintegrated without realizing that it lost the Economic War!

As George Soros said - he just followed the rules.  Every move he made was legal.  He and others like him can help USA Government to defeat any Nation without the USA Government firing a single shot or throwing a single bomb!

Many Economists and Politicians know the above.  Malaysia and Hong Kong bitterly complained during the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis.  Malaysia took the position of making the trading of Ringgit "illegal" outside its borders.  Hong Kong escaped because Soros and team did the stupid move of shorting the stocks also. When the speculators shorted the stocks, they essentially exposed themselves to "infinite loss".  When stocks fell, they could buy back at a lower price and "returned the borrowed" stock.  But if the stock rose (from the buying by the Hong Kong Government with the backing of the Chinese Government), the speculators would have to buy back at a higher price and took a loss.  The higher the stock price, the higher would be the loss to the Speculators.

If the attack is against the Currency alone, the Speculators must find a way to borrow the Currency to sell.  The initial action from the Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank(HSBC) which was the largest holder of the Hong Kong Dollar (and an issuer of Hong Kong Dollar) was to lend the Hong Kong Dollar as a standard banking practice. Then Hong Kong and China Governments stepped in.  Essentially, they warned that if HSBC lent HKD to Soros, HSBC would be forced to close.  The crime would be "deliberate attempt to destroy Hong Kong."  HSBC essentially stopped the lending (by raising the interest to ridiculous levels) and Soros took the loss and retreated.

There is already a large quantity of RMB outside China.  There is much trading in the "off-shore" centers like Hong Kong, Singapore, London etc.  Some of these centers are not in the jurisdiction of China.  The Speculators essentially have much more ammunition to attack.  They can easily calculated how long and how large the attack they can mount to drain the 3 trillion USD Foreign Reserve of China.  They do not need to attack the Stock Market.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 11, 2017, 06:49:54 PM

There is already a large quantity of RMB outside China.  There is much trading in the "off-shore" centers like Hong Kong, Singapore, London etc.  Some of these centers are not in the jurisdiction of China.  The Speculators essentially have much more ammunition to attack.  They can easily calculated how long and how large the attack they can mount to drain the 3 trillion USD Foreign Reserve of China.  They do not need to attack the Stock Market.

One strategy China can take is to apply similar action as Malaysia - declare trading of RMB as "illegal" outside China. That means China gives up the position of having RMB as the Settlement or Reserve Currency.

Another strategy is to get the support of USA.  Get the USA Government to buy RMB at the agreed official exchange rate.  UK, Europe and Japan will get the support as they are USA allies. 

I learned much from this exercise.  I now have some understanding of the "unwritten secret" of the Rule of the Game.  Foreign Exchange is supposed to facilitate the commercial trading of goods and services.  But the trading can be a "nuclear weapon" to destroy any unknowing or disobedient Nation.  Drain the Foreign Exchange Reserve; force the currency to devalue; cause panic in the population; result in the downfall of the government and win the war!

China can avoid the defeat via similar tactics used by Malaysia.  It gives up the attempt to be the Settlement or Reserve Currency.  Following the rules to protect the Currency Peg and drain all the Foreign Exchange Reserve will mean falling into the trap.  The war will be lost!  Have China got Economists who could see this clearly and even better - thought out an innovative winning strategy...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 11, 2017, 09:20:58 PM

 https://dailyreckoning.com/china-barreling-toward-economic-crisis/ (https://dailyreckoning.com/china-barreling-toward-economic-crisis/)
Quote:
*****
One obvious threat to a banking crisis, weakening yuan and massive flight of capital from China is the negative impact on trade.  The not so obvious problem is that all of these could go off at once on a greater scale, causing economic tremors.

The actions from the Chinese government were meant to act as a floodgate in order to keep money domestically based and slow down the economic slump, but the history of preservation of wealth tends to extend beyond the rule of law.  Clampdowns and financial controls can only extend so far, confidence can only be regulated so much.

Jim Rickards (https://dailyreckoning.com/author/jrickards/) offers his analysis that, “History shows that weak capital controls may be worse than no controls because they send a message of “no confidence” while not really stopping the outflows.”

“The mother of all liquidity crises is coming to China sooner than most realize
*****

Many of the decision makers in China are like “frogs in slowly boiling water”. They allowed the Foreign Reserve to dwindle from 4 trillion to 3 trillion defending the peg in some months. They still do not sense the danger. Someone should wake them up.

The attackers from the West would not mention the true Currency War. They gave all sorts of “explanations” to confuse and disguise the attack. They read the “art of war” from the ancient Chinese Military Thinker.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 12, 2017, 01:24:43 AM

 One strategy China can take is as follows:
(1)    Complain bitterly about the unfairness of the Foreign Exchange Trading System.
(2)    Disclose it openly and widely in all Media both domestically and internationally.
(3)    Announce the immediate suspension of all “offshore trading” of the RMB.
(4)    Restrict Chinese Citizens travelling aboard to have a small, limited USD currency.  The Citizens are not allowed to bring RMB overseas.  Make sure that the reasons are well explained.
(5)    Peg the RMB with the USD with a fixed exchange rate with no fluctuations within China.
(6)    Essentially use the Malaysia tactics used in 1998 at the Asian Financial Crisis.
(7)    Any existing RMB outside China can be used within China to buy goods and services.  The legitimate international holders will not suffer badly.
( 8)   All International Capital outflow from China will need approval as a measure to prevent panic.
(9)    Seek the help of USA to peg the RMB internationally and redefine the Rule of the Game.

The What-If of this strategy will be carefully analyzed.  Ensure the strong measure is effective.  If no effective strong measure is taken, the RMB will collapse after the exhaust of the Foreign Exchange Reserve.  Panic will set in.  Citizens will lose faith in the Government.  The Chinese Communist Party may be toppled for failing to defend the economy!
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 12, 2017, 04:20:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2IWGlR1SHs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2IWGlR1SHs)

Speculative attack on a currency | Foreign exchange and trade | Macroeconomics | Khan Academy

One of the best explanation on Speculator attacks.


*** Actual case in Thailand in 1997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA3sjWwu5-s

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 12, 2017, 05:59:18 AM

Church Member: "Tseung, why do you always use the word WAR?  Both Chinese and USA Leaders want their Citizens to have better standards of living, feel proud of themselves and do not mind helping others.  Work on harmony and friendly Competitions to make each other proud."

Both Countries love and adore their Olympians.  These Olympians work extraordinarily hard to inspire. . They compete fairly. 

Follow that spirit.  Abide by fair and level playing rules. 


*** UFO technology will bring new rules.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 12, 2017, 08:01:52 AM

 In the art of war by 孫子, the best strategy is to defeat the other side without firing a shot. USA succeeded in defeating USSR in the Cold War and caused its total disintegration with such a strategy. The Hedge Funds destroyed the Asian Miracle in the Asian Financial Crisis in a similar manner.

Now China relaxed its financial controls and hoped to gain the status of Reserve Currency. Probably few or none of the Leaders knew that they had stepped into a trap.

A friend insisted that things are different.  China is much bigger and smarter than USSR and the other Asian Nations. He said that the analysis was faulted but could not point out why. But he agreed that all could present their points of view. That is the power of the Internet.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 12, 2017, 08:22:44 AM

Church Member: "Tseung, why do you always use the word WAR?  Both Chinese and USA Leaders want their Citizens to have better standards of living, feel proud of themselves and do not mind helping others.  Work on harmony and friendly Competitions to make each other proud."

Both Countries love and adore their Olympians.  These Olympians work extraordinarily hard to inspire. . They compete fairly. 

Follow that spirit.  Abide by fair and level playing rules.

*** UFO technology will bring new rules.

China is trying to link the World with high speed rail. But USA has already connected the World with airplanes! USA has demonstrated its ability to get any Country rich and to get any Country poor. (Marshal Plans to help Nations rich. Currency Wars to get Nations poor.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 12, 2017, 08:42:56 AM

Tseung, you did not mention the attack on the local stock markets to gain local currency and create panic first before the Currency Attack in the Asian Financial Crisis.


China fell into the trap or false pride of Reserve Currency. It voluntarily pumped much RMB into the International System. That means the Speculators have more ammunition. They do not need to attack the Chinese Stock Market to get hold of RMB. They do not need to borrow RMB from Chinese Sources...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 13, 2017, 12:22:24 AM

 https://www.dailyfx.com/forex/education/trading_tips/trend_of_the_day/2012/02/07/Short_Sell_Basics.html (https://www.dailyfx.com/forex/education/trading_tips/trend_of_the_day/2012/02/07/Short_Sell_Basics.html)
Short Selling in the Forex Market

In the FX Market, transactions are handled differently than stocks.
First of all, each currency quote is provided as a ‘two-sided transaction.’
This means that if you are selling the EUR/USD currency pair, you are not only selling Euro’s; but you are buying dollars.
If you buy the GBP/JPY currency pair – you are buying British Pounds and selling Japanese Yen.
If you sell the AUD/NZD currency pair – you are selling Australian dollars and buying New Zealand dollars.
Because of this, no ‘borrowing,’ needs to take place to enable the short sale. As a matter of fact, quotes are provided in a very easy-to-read format that makes short-selling more simplistic.
Want to sell the EUR/USD?
Easy. Just click on the side of the quote that says ‘Sell.’
After you have sold, to close the position, you would want to ‘Buy,’ the same amount (hopefully at a lower price allowing for profit on the trade).


*** It does not really matter how much RMB is actually available in the "International Market".  Traders or Currency Speculators can short (sell RMB without owning them).  They also do not need to borrow from any RMB holder source.  Just attack and drive the exchange rate low.  The Chinese Central Bank will have to sell its Foreign Exchange Reserve to pop up.  When the traders "gang up", they can drain the limited Reserve no matter how large it is. The refurnishing of the Reserve can never match the trading rate.  The big debate in the financial circle in China is - to protect the exchange rate or to keep the Foreign Exchange Reserve?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 14, 2017, 07:24:31 PM

One strategy China can take is as follows:
(1)    Complain bitterly about the unfairness of the Foreign Exchange Trading System.
(2)    Disclose it openly and widely in all Media both domestically and internationally.
(3)    Announce the immediate suspension of all “offshore trading” of the RMB.
(4)    Restrict Chinese Citizens travelling aboard to have a small, limited USD currency.  The Citizens are not allowed to bring RMB overseas.  Make sure that the reasons are well explained.
(5)    Peg the RMB with the USD with a fixed exchange rate with no fluctuations within China.
(6)    Essentially use the Malaysia tactics used in 1998 at the Asian Financial Crisis.
(7)    Any existing RMB outside China can be used within China to buy goods and services.  The legitimate international holders will not suffer badly.
( 8)   All International Capital outflow from China will need approval as a measure to prevent panic.
(9)    Seek the help of USA to peg the RMB internationally and redefine the Rule of the Game.

The What-If of this strategy will be carefully analyzed.  Ensure the strong measure is effective.  If no effective strong measure is taken, the RMB will collapse after the exhaust of the Foreign Exchange Reserve.  Panic will set in.  Citizens will lose faith in the Government.  The Chinese Communist Party may be toppled for failing to defend the economy!
Malaysia got out from the Asian Financial Crisis better than Indonesia, Thailand and South Korea.  These Countries got the support and "bad advice" from the IMF.
China can consider such a tactic well before the Foreign Reserve is exhausted.  For example, China still has 3 trillion.  The tactics will be used when the Reserve drops to 2.5 trillion.
Chinese Economists and Policy Makers should play with such what-if scenario now.  "Unofficial" channels can communicate such and other tactics to the outside world.  That shows that China will never panic.  The RMB will never free fall like the Rupee or the Ringgit..
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 15, 2017, 05:44:55 AM

 Overheard on a bus trip:
Person A: “I just came back from my Village. A high speed rail will be built cutting the village.”
Person B: “There must be protests as Government will take away the land.”
Person A: “On the contrarily, the villagers welcomed it with open arms. The compensation package was too good. The cash compensation was 150% of the initial estimated value. There was a free 100sq. meter flat with all electrical appliances in one of the ghost cities.”
Person B: “Why would I move to a ghost city?”
Person A: “Many of the neighbors would be there. Many jobs would be available including maintaining and cleaning the vacant units.”

China understands the money incentive very well. In the 2008 World Financial Crisis, China pumped trillions of thin-air money to build Infrastructures. China compensated the affected villagers generously. That was why China could build so many high speed rails without objections. Money, Money and Money. (State Capitalism uses the money incentive.) There will be more high speed rails. There will be more compensations. The ghost city problem will be solved. (Build and furnish the units first. People will see actual units rather than promises. Most are happy to move.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 15, 2017, 05:52:29 AM

Malaysia got out from the Asian Financial Crisis better than Indonesia, Thailand and South Korea.  These Countries got the support and "bad advice" from the IMF.
China can consider such a tactic well before the Foreign Reserve is exhausted.  For example, China still has 3 trillion.  The tactics will be used when the Reserve drops to 2.5 trillion.
Chinese Economists and Policy Makers should play with such what-if scenario now.  "Unofficial" channels can communicate such and other tactics to the outside world.  That shows that China will never panic.  The RMB will never free fall like the Rupee or the Ringgit..
Trump wants RMB to appreciate so that Chinese Goods will not be that cheap.  If USA and Chinese Governments join hands to force the RMB up, what are the chances of Hedge Funds and Currency Speculators able to force the RMB down?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 16, 2017, 05:04:43 AM

Overheard on a bus trip:
Person A: “I just came back from my Village. A high speed rail will be built cutting the village.”
Person B: “There must be protests as Government will take away the land.”
Person A: “On the contrarily, the villagers welcomed it with open arms. The compensation package was too good. The cash compensation was 150% of the initial estimated value. There was a free 100sq. meter flat with all electrical appliances in one of the ghost cities.”
Person B: “Why would I move to a ghost city?”
Person A: “Many of the neighbors would be there. Many jobs would be available including maintaining and cleaning the vacant units.”

China understands the money incentive very well. In the 2008 World Financial Crisis, China pumped trillions of thin-air money to build Infrastructures. China compensated the affected villagers generously. That was why China could build so many high speed rails without objections. Money, Money and Money. (State Capitalism uses the money incentive.) There will be more high speed rails. There will be more compensations. The ghost city problem will be solved. (Build and furnish the units first. People will see actual units rather than promises. Most are happy to move.)
From a Senior Citizen:
I now understand why China can always meet its GDP growth target. China includes the parties and gifts to us as contribution to GDP. I received gifts of blankets, biscuits, noodles, fruits at the mooncake festival. I expect more for the Chinese New Year.
Hail to the Chinese Economic Miracle...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 16, 2017, 07:50:49 AM
 Is it possible for China to achieve its goal of removing poverty in China by 2020?
(1)    Can China provide enough food for all citizens no matter which part of China?
(2)    Can China guarantee every child has access to education (via Internet if needed)?
(3)    Can China ensure that every household have electricity, clean water, access to Internet?
(4)    Can China provide emergence to any province in case of Natural Disasters such as Earth Quakes, Floods, Draught, Forest Fires etc.
(5)    Can China provide opportunities for every citizen to have life-long education and see prospects of improving standards?
(6)    Can China provide entertainment to enrich the life and happiness of all its citizens?
(7)    Can China provide the medical and hospital care in case a citizen falls ill?
( 8)     Can China provide the social benefits to the disabled, old, sick, unemployed?
(9)    Can China provide clean air, water and non-polluted food to its citizens?
(10) Can China provide ease of travel to all its citizens?
(11) Can China use its excess capability to help other Nations richer?
(12) Can China provide super democracy so that every citizen can express his opinion and vote on important issues directly?
(13) Can China help its citizens to generate the self-confidence and compassion for other Nation or individuals not so blessed?
 
Achieving the above means that China will have achieved the status of a Developed Nation. If China can continue State Capitalism with the necessary Five Year Plans and focused development, China and the World will be a happier and more prosperous place. Can the above be accomplished by 2020?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 17, 2017, 10:56:01 AM
Trump wants RMB to appreciate so that Chinese Goods will not be that cheap.  If USA and Chinese Governments join hands to force the RMB up, what are the chances of Hedge Funds and Currency Speculators able to force the RMB down?

From another Senior Citizen:

"Tseung, we are too old to do anything concrete. We can spend our time speculating and discussing various strategies. Others younger and brighter are in better position to take action. The posts will alert them on some possible areas that they may have missed."

The Chinese Economists would have analyzed the fall of USSR and the Asian Financial Crisis. They can read our points of view. They are likely to have done much more what-if analysis. Some moves may be kept secret and deployed only when needed.

But helping other Nations rich is a good idea...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 17, 2017, 01:35:01 PM
From a bitter retired senior citizen:

"Tseung, learn one lesson. In the financial world, the one with vastly more money will win. All the cleverness, cunningness and knowledge will not overcome the odds. I learned my lesson the hard way - loss amounts to many millions."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 18, 2017, 07:49:20 PM

 Some comments on currency war (dr@dailyreckoning.com wrote:)
In order not to deplete foreign exchange reserve in defence of yuan depreciation expectations, China may resort to maxi-devalue Yuan by 10% or more overnight.  Such currency manipulation tactics should surely drown Soros style crocodiles and rock US market with one shot.

*** When Soros and Inc. are betting the Yuan to devalue, a large devaluation will provide them with huge profits. Does “drown” mean drowning them in money? Such postings are meant to confuse. I think the author is trying to scare the Yuan (RMB) holders to convert their holdings to USD. Currency War is fought with words, rumors, half-truths etc. Will the Chinese Central Bank take effective action (slowly draining the foreign reserve may not be the best move).

China needs to keep the “trust worthy” image. The “drain your currency reserve to force your currency to float(wildly depreciate) and then rob your resources” tactics succeeded against USSR and the Asian Tigers. Will it succeed against China?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 18, 2017, 11:02:23 PM
Tseung, the USA strategy is to have the USD as the dominant or only Settlement and Reserve Currency.  If China behaves according to US wishes, USA can call off the attack.  Or it may even loan US dollars to China to defeat the Currency Speculators.

If the Foreign Reserve of China is depleted, China may have to beg the World Bank or IMF (and behave according to US wishes).

The rules are written by the West.  No matter how hard you work.  No matter how fast your GDP grows. If you lose the currency war, you will suffer badly.  No bullets need to be fired.  No bombs need to be dropped.   

There is merit in the Malaysia Ringgit example. Retreat from the Settlement and Reserve Currency Position. Climb out from the trap. There may be a loss of face but a proper explanation will solve it. If the Foreign Reserve were depleted, the consequence will be catastrophic. Such failures toppled many governments.
The West will not admit to attack via Currency War. They will say that China was in terrible debt, property bubble, corruption and inevitable failure of Communism.

Remember the art of war from 孫子 . Go for Super Democracy and Mutual Credits.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 19, 2017, 05:57:26 AM

 Daring Ptoroposal

Tseung, the main Reserve Currency is the US Dollar. The Dollar has value because the USA Government is behind it. There is no viable alternative at present.

When China is the main trading partner with most Nations, the trade can be done via Mutual Credits or Currency Swap without involving the Dollar. China can then take the position of Reserve Currency. Other currencies can be pegged to it. China can pledge to defend the Currencies of these other Nations. As the Reserve Currency, China can print the necessary thin-air money to do so.


USA allowed the Hedge Funds to attack the financial stability of other Nations. (If USA defended Thailand in 1997, the Asian Financial Crisis would not have happened.) Developing Nations can focus on Meaningful Economic Activities rather than fearing another attack by the Hedge Funds.

Let me use the following analogy that may offend many people.
(1)    Person A got very rich via unfair means such as selling drugs and robbing others. He stopped doing bad things and got on with legitimate businesses. At the back of his mind, he is afraid that those whom he hurt might revenge. He protects himself with high fences, security guards and acts as “policeman”. When he sees Person B getting rich, his first reaction is – does that post a threat to his wealth? Would Person B revenge? He might deliberately suppress or destroy Person B – treating Person B as a potential enemy.

(2)    Person C got very rich via innovation and does legitimate businesses from the very beginning. Person C does not feel that he has any enemies. He is happy to share the secrets of his wealth. He may still have high fences to safeguard his wealth but he is happy to invite others to share his happiness.

(3)    The tactic used by Person A is to keep the “poor” away and even keep them poor by any means available. The tactic used by Person C is to get the “poor” wealthy.

I think I have already offended many. But the Internet allows anyone to post his thoughts…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 19, 2017, 08:18:09 AM

One comment:


What happens if all Nations pegged their currencies rigidly to USD?  Are all effectively Reserve Currencies?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 20, 2017, 11:28:07 PM

One comment:

What happens if all Nations pegged their currencies rigidly to USD?  Are all effectively Reserve Currencies?
Tseung, the major stake holder, USA, will not allow it. The strategy I can think of is the Malaysia Ringgit example. Make trading of Ringgit outside Malaysia illegal.

When another Nation trades with Malaysia, the settlement will be in Malaysia. The exchange can be rigidly pegged to the UD Dollar. Or a Mutual Credit (Currency Swap) deal can be used. This avoids the attack by the Hedge Funds or Currency Speculators.

The "weapons" of the Speculators are too powerful. It was like the Eighteenth Century when the West used guns against the Native Americans. It was up to the West when to attack. The West could offer a few feathers to claim New York, the Natives had no choice but to accept. The Currency War Weapon allowing trading of Currencies is one-sided. If you cannot think of a solution, the Central Bankers are unlikely to think of a solution. The Central Bankers in Britain, USSR, Asian Tigers could not. Hoping that the Central Bankers in China has a solution is just a hope or wishful thinking.

In trade, a merchant has an option of not selling his goods to a particular customer. In Currency War, the Forex transactions are so numerous that identifying the "customer" is virtually impossible. Loaning to another Bank for normal business transactions is a necessary element of International Trade. But how can one be sure that "this other Bank" is not loaning to Speculators to attack the Currency. Malaysia took the "extreme" position of making the Ringgit trading illegal outside Malaysia.

One Question raised was - why are many Countries not afraid. The answer was similar to the Eighteenth Century, it was up to Britain to choose to attack. Now it is up to USA. USA can detach itself by allowing its Hedge Funds to do the dirty work and claim that it is Market Forces. (U.K. claimed that it never sold opium, it was their Merchants.)

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 21, 2017, 11:23:44 AM

Tseung, a market exists if there are willing buyers and sellers. Such a market will satisfy the needs of both and thus is a win-win.


When a Market is totally biased to one side, that is an unfair Market. In the Forex, if the Speculators gang up to push a Currency down, the Central Bank had no choice but to become the ONLY buyer. That will deplete the Foreign Currency Reserve. It is not Market Force at work. It is WAR - to destroy the stability of that Nation.


The Malaysian Example is to retreat away from the War. The PLUS is preservation of Currency Reserve and restore stability. The MINUS is not following the rules and possibility of diminished trade. China should avoid WAR (real or Economic). Retreating is an option. Forget about losing face...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 21, 2017, 01:34:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAqjcpGwFB4


Green China Rising.


Can China use technology to cleanup its environment?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 21, 2017, 03:14:25 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_of_the_renminbi


Has China fallen into the trap? Will the attack by Hedge Funds drain the entire China Foreign Currency Reserve? The advantage of Reserve Currency Status may be attractive. But allowing the Hedge Funds to systematically drain away the Reserve is really dangerous...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 21, 2017, 03:32:17 PM

If the Hedge Funds can borrow RMB, drive the exchange rate down, make some money in the process, they can repeat. Even if their total ammunition is less than China, they can slowly drain away the Reserve. With all the Off-shore centers, the Hedge Funds can easily borrow RMB.


Has China studied the risks? Has China played the what-if games? In Economic War, it is difficult to determine who is the friend and who is the enemy? The trusted advisor may be the enemy!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 21, 2017, 05:13:35 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/06/go-for-the-jugular/57696/


The story of how Soros shorted the pound in 1992. He netted USD1.2 billion in one month. UK had to abandon the exchange mechanism with a forced devaluation.


What is wrong with accepting the USD as the Settlement and Reserve Currency? With Globalization, there will be one Reserve Currency eventually. If USD were the Reserve Currency and China held a large amount, what are the what-ifs?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 21, 2017, 06:59:24 PM
 Using the Malaysia Ringgit Strategy.
If China were to declare trading of RMB outside China is illegal and pegged the RMB at 1USD to 6.8800, what is likely to happen?
(1)    China can tell all Buyers of Chinese Goods that they can pay in USD or in RMB at 1USD to 6.8800RMB (or in their own currency at the pre-agreed swap currency rate).
(2)    If the RMB fell to 1USD to 8.0000 as an example, Buyers can buy RMB in the International Market and buy the approved goods or services in China.  If they use their USD, they will only have 6.8800 to spend.
(3)    The Buyer Nations are likely to get as much RMB as possible in the International Market.
(4)    There will not be much devaluation of RMB. Bank of China does not need to defend the RMB. Other Buyer Nations will do it.
(5)    It is a win-win strategy. China wins as it can preserve its Foreign Exchange Reserve and sell more goods or services. The Buyer Nations wins as they can get more RMB for their Dollar. The Currency Speculators wins as the RMB is effectively depreciated somewhat. They would make some profit after unwinding their short position.
(6)    China can even use the event to its advantage by announcing that there is a time limit (say 2 months) for the Buyer Nations to use their RMB obtained from the International Market.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 21, 2017, 10:33:58 PM

Using the Malaysia Ringgit Strategy.
If China were to declare trading of RMB outside China is illegal and pegged the RMB at 1USD to 6.8800, what is likely to happen?
(1)    China can tell all Buyers of Chinese Goods that they can pay in USD or in RMB at 1USD to 6.8800RMB (or in their own currency at the pre-agreed swap currency rate).
(2)    If the RMB fell to 1USD to 8.0000 as an example, Buyers can buy RMB in the International Market and buy the approved goods or services in China.  If they use their USD, they will only have 6.8800 to spend.
(3)    The Buyer Nations are likely to get as much RMB as possible in the International Market.
(4)    There will not be much devaluation of RMB. Bank of China does not need to defend the RMB. Other Buyer Nations will do it.
(5)    It is a win-win strategy. China wins as it can preserve its Foreign Exchange Reserve and sell more goods or services. The Buyer Nations wins as they can get more RMB for their Dollar. The Currency Speculators wins as the RMB is effectively depreciated somewhat. They would make some profit after unwinding their short position.
(6)    China can even use the event to its advantage by announcing that there is a time limit (say 2 months) for the Buyer Nations to use their RMB obtained from the International Market.
The advisors to Malaysia must have considered the what-ifs very carefully. With such plans in place, there will be no panic.
China can effectively let its trading Nations peg their currencies to RMB. So long as RMB is stable and pegged firmly to the USD, RMB is effectively a Settlement and a Reserve Currency. In theory, all rigidly pegged currencies are Settlement and Reserve Currencies.
With this new rule, Hedge Funds and Currency Speculators have no voice in determining the exchange rate. Bank of China does not need to worry about their activities. They can still trade CNY on their Forex platforms but the rates and transactions are irrelevant.


This technique allows China to preserve the exchange rate and keep its foreign exchange reserve. The claim that the likes of George Soros are Market Forces can be ignored.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 22, 2017, 01:04:10 AM

The advisors to Malaysia must have considered the what-ifs very carefully. With such plans in place, there will be no panic.
China can effectively let its trading Nations peg their currencies to RMB. So long as RMB is stable and pegged firmly to the USD, RMB is effectively a Settlement and a Reserve Currency. In theory, all rigidly pegged currencies are Settlement and Reserve Currencies.
With this new rule, Hedge Funds and Currency Speculators have no voice in determining the exchange rate. Bank of China does not need to worry about their activities. They can still trade CNY on their Forex platforms but the rates and transactions are irrelevant.


This technique allows China to preserve the exchange rate and keep its foreign exchange reserve. The claim that the likes of George Soros are Market Forces can be ignored.
Tseung, what are you going to do now that you think you have a good solution?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 22, 2017, 02:46:22 PM

Tseung, what are you going to do now that you think you have a good solution?
The attached email will be sent to all who may have an influence on the Financial World in Hong Kong and China.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 23, 2017, 03:50:11 PM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-economist-thinks-china-is-headed-for-a-1929-style-depression-2016-06-30e


Economists are allowed and encouraged to voice different opinion (even in China). There is no right or wrong in interpreting past events. Some even told me that the Asian Financial Crisis was not due to attack by Hedge Funds.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 24, 2017, 01:16:48 AM
 A crazy, innovative idea
As many of you already know, China is embarking on encouraging innovation. Venture funding is easy to obtain. Crazy ideas will be listened. The following is one of the craziest (and most innovative) ideas that came to my attention.
(1)    The entrepreneur wants to develop a bicycle that can charge batteries. The batteries can be used on the same bicycle or removed to other bicycles.
(2)    The bicycles will be owned by local governments that build special bicycle lanes.
(3)    The user of such bicycles actually get paid!
(4)    If the battery of the bicycle is run down, there will be additional payment for recharging.
(5)    There will be many “reverse rental” stations facilitating the renting and parking of such bicycles.
(6)    Riders can even ride such bicycles to their own homes and use them to ride to work or to the nearby mass transit stations.
(7)    The payment can be via Smart Phones.
(8)    Many youngsters with no means of earning money can earn money this way.
(9)    This is a green revolution.  Many will not buy cars and pollute the environment.
(10) The health of Citizens will improve with the exercise.
Is the above idea crazy or innovative? Does it deserve support? Should such crazy ideas be promoted?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 24, 2017, 01:21:41 AM

 A crazy, innovative idea

As many of you already know, China is embarking on encouraging innovation. Venture funding is easy to obtain. Crazy ideas will be listened. The following is one of the craziest (and most innovative) ideas that came to my attention.

(1)    The entrepreneur wants to develop a bicycle that can charge batteries. The batteries can be used on the same bicycle or removed to other bicycles.
(2)    The bicycles will be owned by local governments that build special bicycle lanes.
(3)    The user of such bicycles actually get paid!
(4)    If the battery of the bicycle is run down, there will be additional payment for recharging.
(5)    There will be many “reverse rental” stations facilitating the renting and parking of such bicycles.
(6)    Riders can even ride such bicycles to their own homes and use them to ride to work or to the nearby mass transit stations.
(7)    The payment can be via Smart Phones.
(8)   Many youngsters with no means of earning money can earn money this way.
(9)    This is a green revolution.  Many will not buy cars and pollute the environment.
(10) The health of Citizens will improve with the exercise.

Is the above idea crazy or innovative? Does it deserve support? Should such crazy ideas be promoted?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 24, 2017, 11:20:17 AM
Daring Ptoroposal

Tseung, the main Reserve Currency is the US Dollar. The Dollar has value because the USA Government is behind it. There is no viable alternative at present.

When China is the main trading partner with most Nations, the trade can be done via Mutual Credits or Currency Swap without involving the Dollar. China can then take the position of Reserve Currency. Other currencies can be pegged to it. China can pledge to defend the Currencies of these other Nations. As the Reserve Currency, China can print the necessary thin-air money to do so.


USA allowed the Hedge Funds to attack the financial stability of other Nations. (If USA defended Thailand in 1997, the Asian Financial Crisis would not have happened.) Developing Nations can focus on Meaningful Economic Activities rather than fearing another attack by the Hedge Funds.

Let me use the following analogy that may offend many people.
(1)    Person A got very rich via unfair means such as selling drugs and robbing others. He stopped doing bad things and got on with legitimate businesses. At the back of his mind, he is afraid that those whom he hurt might revenge. He protects himself with high fences, security guards and acts as “policeman”. When he sees Person B getting rich, his first reaction is – does that post a threat to his wealth? Would Person B revenge? He might deliberately suppress or destroy Person B – treating Person B as a potential enemy.

(2)    Person C got very rich via innovation and does legitimate businesses from the very beginning. Person C does not feel that he has any enemies. He is happy to share the secrets of his wealth. He may still have high fences to safeguard his wealth but he is happy to invite others to share his happiness.

(3)    The tactic used by Person A is to keep the “poor” away and even keep them poor by any means available. The tactic used by Person C is to get the “poor” wealthy.

I think I have already offended many. But the Internet allows anyone to post his thoughts…
Do I really understand the present foreign exchange rules?


(1) Many Nations adopt a floating rate policy. Some use managed float (pegged to the US Dollar but allow some up or down movement).
(2) It is the responsibility of the Central Bank of a Nation to "defend" the Exchange rate.
(3) Take the case of the Chinese Currency - RMB. If someone sells RMB, Bank of China must buy it if there were no other buyers. Otherwise, the exchange rate will go lower.
(4) If the Hedge Funds get together and all sell RMB, Bank of China will have to use the Foreign Currency Reserve to buy and thus slowly deplete the Reserve.
(5) If the Foreign Currency Reserve is depleted, China will have no option but to allow the RMB to float and devalue. (Under present rules).
(6) If the Hedge Funds can borrow or obtain RMB at low cost, they can keep selling RMB and deplete the Chinese Foreign Currency Reserve.
(7) The Hedge Funds can spread the rumour that RMB is about to devalue and cause many RMB holders - Chinese Citizens, Companies or Trading Partners etc. - to exchange their RMB for USD. There will be many sellers. Bank of China may become the only buyer.
(8) If Bank of China does not buy, the exchange rate will fall, there will be more panic to sell the RMB for USD to preserve the wealth.
(9) The Hedge Funds can claim that it is "Market Forces" at work. They can always blame the collapse of the RMB (and the inevitable instability and loss of confidence in the Chinese Government) on Chinese corruption, massive debt, over expansion and inevitable failure of Communism).


Am I correct?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 24, 2017, 10:00:16 PM

A crazy, innovative idea

As many of you already know, China is embarking on encouraging innovation. Venture funding is easy to obtain. Crazy ideas will be listened. The following is one of the craziest (and most innovative) ideas that came to my attention.

(1)    The entrepreneur wants to develop a bicycle that can charge batteries. The batteries can be used on the same bicycle or removed to other bicycles.
(2)    The bicycles will be owned by local governments that build special bicycle lanes.
(3)    The user of such bicycles actually get paid!
(4)    If the battery of the bicycle is run down, there will be additional payment for recharging.
(5)    There will be many “reverse rental” stations facilitating the renting and parking of such bicycles.
(6)    Riders can even ride such bicycles to their own homes and use them to ride to work or to the nearby mass transit stations.
(7)    The payment can be via Smart Phones.
(8)  Many youngsters with no means of earning money can earn money this way.
(9)    This is a green revolution.  Many will not buy cars and pollute the environment.
(10) The health of Citizens will improve with the exercise.

Is the above idea crazy or innovative? Does it deserve support? Should such crazy ideas be promoted?
Let us make it more crazy.
(1) If the bicycles are modified to run on rails.
(2) The rails can be on same levels as the elevated, multilevel electric mass transit.
(3)  One pays to use the mass transit. One gets paid to exercise on the new bicycles.
(4) The new bicycles will be totally safe as they are on rails (even 4 wheels?)
(5) Passengers may travel part of the journey on mass transit and part on new bicycles.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 24, 2017, 10:15:12 PM

Let us make it more crazy.
(1) If the bicycles are modified to run on rails.
(2) The rails can be on same levels as the elevated, multilevel electric mass transit.
(3)  One pays to use the mass transit. One gets paid to exercise on the new bicycles.
(4) The new bicycles will be totally safe as they are on rails (even 4 wheels?)
(5) Passengers may travel part of the journey on mass transit and part on new bicycles.
More crazy or more innovative.
(1) The new bicycles can be run standalone so that riders can ride it home.
(2) The new bicycles can be attached to the new rails as a means to provide power.
(3) The new rails has carriages for people who prefers leisurely travel and get paid.
(4) The whole family can ride together on the new bicycles and new carriages.
(5) All the new research, development and implementation can be added to GDP.
(6) There will be less need for dedicated bicycle parks as most of them are on the rails.
(7) Is it one of the Meaningful Economic Activities?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 24, 2017, 10:17:36 PM

More crazy or more innovative.
(1) The new bicycles can be run standalone so that riders can ride it home.
(2) The new bicycles can be attached to the new rails as a means to provide power.
(3) The new rails has carriages for people who prefers leisurely travel and get paid.
(4) The whole family can ride together on the new bicycles and new carriages.
(5) All the new research, development and implementation can be added to GDP.
(6) There will be less need for dedicated bicycle parks as most of them are on the rails.
(7) Is it one of the Meaningful Economic Activities?
The idea is as crazy as the UFO.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 24, 2017, 10:24:22 PM

Do I really understand the present foreign exchange rules?


(1) Many Nations adopt a floating rate policy. Some use managed float (pegged to the US Dollar but allow some up or down movement).
(2) It is the responsibility of the Central Bank of a Nation to "defend" the Exchange rate.
(3) Take the case of the Chinese Currency - RMB. If someone sells RMB, Bank of China must buy it if there were no other buyers. Otherwise, the exchange rate will go lower.
(4) If the Hedge Funds get together and all sell RMB, Bank of China will have to use the Foreign Currency Reserve to buy and thus slowly deplete the Reserve.
(5) If the Foreign Currency Reserve is depleted, China will have no option but to allow the RMB to float and devalue. (Under present rules).
(6) If the Hedge Funds can borrow or obtain RMB at low cost, they can keep selling RMB and deplete the Chinese Foreign Currency Reserve.
(7) The Hedge Funds can spread the rumour that RMB is about to devalue and cause many RMB holders - Chinese Citizens, Companies or Trading Partners etc. - to exchange their RMB for USD. There will be many sellers. Bank of China may become the only buyer.
(8) If Bank of China does not buy, the exchange rate will fall, there will be more panic to sell the RMB for USD to preserve the wealth.
(9) The Hedge Funds can claim that it is "Market Forces" at work. They can always blame the collapse of the RMB (and the inevitable instability and loss of confidence in the Chinese Government) on Chinese corruption, massive debt, over expansion and inevitable failure of Communism).


Am I correct?
China can directly or indirectly spread the rumor that RMB will appreciate as an agreement with Trump. China will raise the exchange rate so that Chinese Goods will be more expensive - giving USA and others a chance to compete.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 25, 2017, 04:13:01 AM

http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/finance/20170125/00273_001.html (http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/finance/20170125/00273_001.html)

The above Chinese Newspaper Article described the attack of the RMB by the Hedge Funds. It said that the Hedge Funds used "news" to spread gloom for China. The Foreign Exchange Reserve plummeted from 4 trillion to 3 trillion with no sign of stopping.

人民幣貶值趨勢既成,引發內地走資潮,人行不惜動用外匯儲備去減慢貶值速度,力圖挽回市場信心,可惜堆沙填海,治標不治本。去年十二月,中國外儲跌至三萬億美元邊緣,創近六年新低,較高位縮水近萬億美元。

中央穩信心效果不彰,反而因外儲消耗,惹來金融大鱷群起攻擊,並唱淡中國外匯儲備會跌至二萬六千億美元,隨時觸及警戒線。大鱷屢發這些言論,實際上是要借助市場力量,聚眾推牆,測試底線為名,向市場發放悲觀預期為實,推冧人民幣,從中獲利。
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 25, 2017, 04:57:15 AM

http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/finance/20170125/00273_001.html (http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/finance/20170125/00273_001.html)

The above Chinese Newspaper Article described the attack of the RMB by the Hedge Funds. It said that the Hedge Funds used "news" to spread gloom for China. The Foreign Exchange Reserve plummeted from 4 trillion to 3 trillion with no sign of stopping.

人民幣貶值趨勢既成,引發內地走資潮,人行不惜動用外匯儲備去減慢貶值速度,力圖挽回市場信心,可惜堆沙填海,治標不治本。去年十二月,中國外儲跌至三萬億美元邊緣,創近六年新低,較高位縮水近萬億美元。

中央穩信心效果不彰,反而因外儲消耗,惹來金融大鱷群起攻擊,並唱淡中國外匯儲備會跌至二萬六千億美元,隨時觸及警戒線。大鱷屢發這些言論,實際上是要借助市場力量,聚眾推牆,測試底線為名,向市場發放悲觀預期為實,推冧人民幣,從中獲利。
When daily newspapers carry such article, the currency war is clear. The Hedge Funds are using the well-tried strategy of spreading rumors that the RMB will depreciate. The Foreign Currency Research of China is going to dwindle and get more people "to push down the wall".


We have outlined a possible solution here. I hope that it will be passed to the decision makers.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 25, 2017, 01:53:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM0jQ8QN-rw


A Chinese expert voiced his opinion. He suggested the currency war was a major cause of the USSR collapse.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 25, 2017, 09:12:55 PM

http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/finance/20170125/00273_001.html (http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/finance/20170125/00273_001.html)

The above Chinese Newspaper Article described the attack of the RMB by the Hedge Funds. It said that the Hedge Funds used "news" to spread gloom for China. The Foreign Exchange Reserve plummeted from 4 trillion to 3 trillion with no sign of stopping.

人民幣貶值趨勢既成,引發內地走資潮,人行不惜動用外匯儲備去減慢貶值速度,力圖挽回市場信心,可惜堆沙填海,治標不治本。去年十二月,中國外儲跌至三萬億美元邊緣,創近六年新低,較高位縮水近萬億美元。

中央穩信心效果不彰,反而因外儲消耗,惹來金融大鱷群起攻擊,並唱淡中國外匯儲備會跌至二萬六千億美元,隨時觸及警戒線。大鱷屢發這些言論,實際上是要借助市場力量,聚眾推牆,測試底線為名,向市場發放悲觀預期為實,推冧人民幣,從中獲利。
A discussion session
Some of us discussed the above at a dinner party over a few drinks. The following are some juicy extracts.
Tseung: “What would you do with your RMB account?”
Person A: “Change them to USD. The general consensus is that the RMB will depreciate.”
Person B: “That is unpatriotic. You are helping the Hedge Funds to drain the Chinese Currency Reserve.”
Person A: “I am a small guy. I just want to preserve my wealth.”
Person C: “I do not hold any RMB but I go to Shenzhen often for entertainment. If RMB devalues, I shall use my Hong Kong Dollars to exchange for more RMB and enjoy myself more.”
Tseung: “Have you ever considered what would happen if the Hedge Funds succeeded in draining the Foreign Currency Reserve of China?”
Person A: “I am a small guy. I do not worry about such big, complicated things.”
Person B: “Do you remember the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997? Did that affect you?”
Person C: “I was stupid and sold most of my stocks and property at the low price to change into dollars. I lost a fortune at that time. I hate Hedge Funds. Those Hedge Fund Managers are crocodiles. Someone should skin them.”
Person D: “China has a lot of Foreign Currency Reserve. Don’t worry.”
Person B: “Read the newspaper article carefully. The Reserve has dwindled from 4 trillion to 3 trillion USD.”
Tseung: “What do you think about the proposal of using the Malaysian technique?”
Person C: “My import and export business relies on stable exchange rate. If the RMB is firmly pegged to the Dollar, I am happy.”
Tseung: “What about the plans to make RMB a Reserve Currency?”
Person C: “I do not care. I just want currency stability so that I can predict my risks in my business.”
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 26, 2017, 02:02:28 PM


http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/finance/20170125/00273_001.html (http://orientaldaily.on.cc/cnt/finance/20170125/00273_001.html)

The above Chinese Newspaper Article described the attack of the RMB by the Hedge Funds. It said that the Hedge Funds used "news" to spread gloom for China. The Foreign Exchange Reserve plummeted from 4 trillion to 3 trillion with no sign of stopping.

人民幣貶值趨勢既成,引發內地走資潮,人行不惜動用外匯儲備去減慢貶值速度,力圖挽回市場信心,可惜堆沙填海,治標不治本。去年十二月,中國外儲跌至三萬億美元邊緣,創近六年新低,較高位縮水近萬億美元。

中央穩信心效果不彰,反而因外儲消耗,惹來金融大鱷群起攻擊,並唱淡中國外匯儲備會跌至二萬六千億美元,隨時觸及警戒線。大鱷屢發這些言論,實際上是要借助市場力量,聚眾推牆,測試底線為名,向市場發放悲觀預期為實,推冧人民幣,從中獲利。
The Hedge funds spread rumors that RMB will depreciate while they mount their attack. What is the Bank of China doing?

To counter-attack such rumors, we can:
(1) Talk about super democracy. Talk about the limitations of electing representatives. Talk about how one party when getting power will change the policy of the other. (Trump on TPP and Obamacare is  good example.)
(2) Talk about how hedge funds forced UK to devalue its currency in 1992. Talk about the destruction of the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997.
(3) Talk about the disintegration of USSR and the rapid depreciation of its currency.
(4) Talk about Mutual Credits or Bilateral Agreements.
(5) Talk about Governments need to properly manage printing of thin-air money.
(6) Talk about the tactics used by the Crocodiles (Hedge Funds) in the currency war.
(7) Talk about how China can use RMB as the Settlement and Reserve Currency by pegging to the Dollar and making its use legal only in China. Control of the Currency and Foreign Currency Reserve are vital to the Economic Health of any Nation. Currency Exchange should be used to facilitate trade and travel - NOT to be used as weapons by Hedge Funds or Speculators.
(8) Talk about if a Nation wants to be rich and remain rich, it should help other Nations rich.
(9) Talk about the new competition of the two camps - help poor Nations develop.
(10) Talk about the new Globalization - no need to worry about border disputes now. All will be one family later.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2017, 10:08:23 AM

 Possible innovative policies of the New Chief Executive of Hong Kong.

A group of us had lunch gathering before the Chinese New Year of the Rooster. One of the hot topics in Hong Kong is the Election of the New Chief Executive. Many complained that the candidates did not propose anything innovative. Someone suggested that we should post our innovative ideas to them. The following are some quick thoughts:

(1)    The key theme should be the rebuilding of self-confidence and harmony of the Hong Kong Citizens.
(2)    On the economic front, help China to beat the Hedge Funds with the proposal similar to that used by Malaysia in the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997.
(3)    Expand the opportunities to the young people via the one-belt-one-road initiative. For example, there is no room for agriculture but there are excellent opportunities in Africa.
(4)    Hong Kong can develop the best on-line educational courses covering primary and secondary school courses. Such courses can be updated from time to time. Additional special courses can be added later. Encourage other Nations to use them.
(5)    Introduce Super Democracy so that every voter can vote on key issues as an ordinary event. Hong Kong will lead the World in modern democracy.
(6)    Have Mutual Credit Agreement with a few selected Nations. Post every detail on-line so that the World can learn together.
(7)    Solve the housing issue via cooperative expansion to Shenzhen and Zhuhai taking advantage of the Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau Bridge and the Science Park Zone near Shenzhen. Many businesses can be done on-line. Physical location is not an issue.
(8)  Adopt the Alibaba model and show that Company Branches or Franchises can be managed or monitored remotely.
Have special workshops to show that anyone can open his/her own shop. Any success will rebuild the self-confidence of the Hong Kong Citizens.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2017, 06:52:28 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_of_the_renminbi#RMB_as_a_reserve_currency.5B22.5D (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_of_the_renminbi#RMB_as_a_reserve_currency.5B22.5D)

Why was RMB not attacked in the Asian Financial Crisis?
RMB was not an International traded currency then.

Is the Internationalization of RMB a trap? Did some "advisors" tell the Chinese Authorities that RMB could become a Settlement and a Reserve Currency with the same benefits as the US Dollar? Did the Chinese Authorities fail to understand that opening up RMB Internationally means opening it up to attack? Did  the Chinese Economists fail to warn the Authorities that the FOREX trading is a form of gambling - one side bets the exchange rate will go up and the other side bets it will go down? If Speculators gang up on one side to force the exchange rate down, they will tilt the balance in their favor.

I will gamble if the odds are definitely in my favor. It is not really gambling. It is legally robbing money from the other side. When Hedge Funds gang up to push the RMB down, they will tilt the balance in their favor. They will win. The rumor they spread that RMB will devalue is self-fulfilling.

Looking back, it is a trap in the Currency or Economic War. China was doing well with the RMB pegged to the Dollar and "closed" Internationally. Economic War is fought with cunning. It is difficult to distinguish between friend and foe. The trusted advisor may actually be the worst enemy.

If China takes the Malaysian Approach, some will argue that China is going backwards. It will be a loss of face. To be realistic, China has already got one foot caught in the trap. (4 trillion USD reserve dwindled down to 3 trillion) It will be a painful process getting out from the trap. Losing a limb is to be expected. Failing to get out will mean sure death. (The USSR disintegration example should be clear.)


The Chinese RMB can still be a Settlement and Reserve Currency if it is firmly pegged to the Dollar and traded legally only in China. When other Nations are confident that RMB will not depreciate and may even slowly appreciate as in the early 2000s, they will keep RMB. I opened RMB account in Hong Kong for that reason.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 27, 2017, 07:57:57 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_of_the_renminbi#RMB_as_a_reserve_currency.5B22.5D (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_of_the_renminbi#RMB_as_a_reserve_currency.5B22.5D)


I will gamble if the odds are definitely in my favor. It is not really gambling. It is legally robbing money from the other side. When Hedge Funds gang up to push the RMB down, they will tilt the balance in their favor. They will win. The rumor they spread that RMB will devalue is self-fulfilling.

Looking back, it is a trap in the Currency or Economic War. China was doing well with the RMB pegged to the Dollar and "closed" Internationally. Economic War is fought with cunning. It is difficult to distinguish between friend and foe. The trusted advisor may actually be the worst enemy.

Tseung, are saying that Bank of China gambled foolishly and lost one Trillion USD?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 28, 2017, 12:14:09 AM

Tseung, are saying that Bank of China gambled foolishly and lost one Trillion USD?
Yes. The advisors who advised RMB Internationalization in the present form are likely to be spies or Trojan Horses in the Economic War.
China must not continue struggling in the trap - draining the Reserve. Losing some face now is better than later when the Reserve dwindles to nothing.
FOREX exchange is worst than a . It is unregulated, highly leveraged and unfair. Huge fortunes can be made or lost. (Hedge Funds are winning and China is losing big.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 29, 2017, 12:53:44 AM
Tseung, you should learn more about Forex trading by actually performing some trades. In the Spot Market, the trading is on derivatives - not the currency itself.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 29, 2017, 06:06:57 AM

Tseung, you should learn more about Forex trading by actually performing some trades. In the Spot Market, the trading is on derivatives - not the currency itself.
An old classmate said: "I shall open a demo account and show the World how to turn the 200K in that account to 5m. Just sell RMB and see that it depreciates slowly."

Can he succeed?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 29, 2017, 08:21:12 AM
@Tsueng


I wanted to say thank you for creating your compilation of knowledge.
It has helped me greatly in my newest project.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 29, 2017, 02:09:16 PM

 
Quote from: sm0ky2 link=topic=15077.msg498976#msg4989tril76 date=1485674472
@Tseung
 
 I wanted to say thank you for creating your compilation of knowledge.
 It has helped me greatly in my newest project.
 

Some stubborn folks in Bank of China still do not believe that China is already losing in the Currency War. They still insist that Internationalization of RMB is good. The Hedge Funds will not be able to force China to drain its Reserves.

One purpose of the demo account is to show to such stubborn folks that even an average person can "gamble" in the Forex Market with success. The odds are heavily in favor of the gang of Hedge Funds shorting the RMB forcing it to devalue. It is picking up the bits of spoils now and waiting for the huge chunk when the RMB is forced to float.

One Chinese Forex Trader commented – “if Bank of China is to lose many trillions to the Hedge Funds, I may as well pick up some. It is not a matter of not patriotic. It is better for the stubborn decision makers  to learn the lesson now. If the Reserve dwindles to nothing, it will be too late.”

If your newest project needs funding, pick it up in the Forex Market.

(I have outlined a possible solution…)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 29, 2017, 10:10:35 PM

An old classmate said: "I shall open a demo account and show the World how to turn the 200K in that account to 5m. Just sell RMB and see that it depreciates slowly."

Can he succeed?
From a Senior Citizen, "I do not mind opening a Demo account to past my time. However, I know nothing about Forex trading, can you post pointers to Forex Trading? Will you answer questions on strategies used to turn 200K to 5m?"
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 30, 2017, 11:08:36 AM


From a Senior Citizen, "I do not mind opening a Demo account to past my time. However, I know nothing about Forex trading, can you post pointers to Forex Trading? Will you answer questions on strategies used to turn 200K to 5m?"
Forex tutorial
To all those who want to have some fun on Forex.
My advice is to play with demo accounts until you know the game. In demo account, you play with fake or virtual money. You can enjoy without losing your hard earned cash. I shall post what have been helpful to me.

(1)    Basic tutorial for beginners 1: http://www.investopedia.com/university/forexmarket/ (http://www.investopedia.com/university/forexmarket/)
(2)    Basic tutorial 2: https://www.oanda.com/forex-trading/learn/intro-to-currency-trading/ (https://www.oanda.com/forex-trading/learn/intro-to-currency-trading/)
(3)    Youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo4z26THnpo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo4z26THnpo)
Study the above information and try to explain to others. Encourage them to ask questions until you feel that you have mastered the basic knowledge.
(4)    Find more than one FOREX broker and open demo accounts. Treat a FOREX broker as a “casin o”. Every broker has slight variations in Leverage, trading pairs offered, minimum margin requirements etc. Choose at least two with demo accounts and play.
(5)    From google on best Forex brokers in Hong Kong: http://topforexbrokersonline.blogspot.hk/2015/04/7-best-forex-brokers-hong-kong-2015.html (http://topforexbrokersonline.blogspot.hk/2015/04/7-best-forex-brokers-hong-kong-2015.html)
 
The key strategy to use is Short (Sell) RMB. Wait for RMB to devalue and buy RMB back (Close the Position). The pair to look for is USD/CNH.

First trade result on USD/CNH

Earned profit = HK$7,029.98

 [font=]Amount $[/font][font=]‪[/font][font=]750,000.00 (using leverage 1:100 effectively committed $7,500)
 Opening Value ¥[/font][font=]‪[/font][font=]5,144,925[/font]
[font=]Close Value [/font][font=]¥[/font][font=]‪[/font][font=]5,151,150[/font]
[font=]Opening Rate 6.8599[/font]
[font=]Close Rate 6.8682[/font]
[font=]Open Time 1/30/2017 10:09 AM[/font]
[font=]Close Time 1/30/2017 3:51 PM[/font]
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 30, 2017, 09:56:45 PM
First trade result on USD/CNH

Earned profit = HK$7,029.98

Now I appreciate why Forex Trading has daily trading volume exceeding 5 trillion USD. It is very addictive. Once a trader makes some money, it is difficult to keep him away. (I am one of those now.)

The Spot Forex Market trades on derivatives. That means no physical currency changes hands. However, it will affect the actual currency exchange rate.

When there is too much thin-air money, a way must be found to keep it away from causing too much inflation. One way is to use it to trade numbers (derivatives). China has to learn this game sooner or later.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 31, 2017, 09:25:42 PM

 Knowledge gained from first trade.
(1)    The opening buy of RMB was at 6.8599 with profit limit at 6.8800 and stop loss at 6.8400.
(2)    The set-up was a possible gain of 200 PIPs or loss of 200 PIPs.
(3)    I went out to visit friends.
(4)    When I came home, I closed the position at 6.8682. The gain was 83 PIPs. Each trade spread was 19 PIPs. The gain in PIPs was 45(83-38). That translated to a profit of HK$7,029.98.
(5)    I was happy to earn something significant in my first trade. Thus, I closed the position well before 6.8800.
(6)    The lesson learned was to put in profit and loss limits when one is not watching the Forex transaction movements. There is peace of mind.
(7)    The limits were deliberately set high (200 PIPs) so that in normal conditions, the limits were not reached.
(8)  The opening and closing difference must be more than 38 PIPs to make a profit. When the observed difference was 83 PIPs, taking profit was reasonable.
(9)    There is much jargon here. Make sure you study the tutorials well – so that you can follow my logic.
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 31, 2017, 10:08:47 PM
 Second Forex Transaction
(1)    Loss of HK$-7,636.53 due to trailing stop.
(2)    I opened the position at 6.8635 with profit stop at 6.8800 and stop loss at 6.8400 as before.
(3)    Not understanding trailing stop too well from the tutorials, I decided to play with it. The default was 60 PIPs. I increased it to 90 PIPs.
(4)    I went out for dinner with relatives.
(5)    When I got home, the position was closed at 6.8545.
(6)    Now I learned the lesson at over 7,600HKD virtual money. The Trailing stop was a moving position. If the prices goes up, the stop also moves up. When the price moves down, the trailing stop remains and gets activated after dropping 90 PIPs.
(7)    Thus my setting the stop limit at over 200 PIP was effectively overruled. There is no point in setting two stop limits. (I shall use the normal Stop Loss more.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on January 31, 2017, 10:27:10 PM

Third Forex Transaction


 (1)    Gain of HK$8,146.47 due to Market Call (hitting profit limit).
(2)    I opened at 6.8545 with profit stop at 6.8645 and stop loss at 6.8400.
(1)    I chose 100PIPs as profit (need to minus 38PIPs) and decided to wait for Market Action.
(2)    The position was closed at 6.8648 – 3 PIPs above my limit.
(3)    The lesson is that there will be more action if the profit limit is set low but above 38PIPs.
(4)    Not bad. I got addicted even with virtual money.
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 01, 2017, 12:23:32 AM


The fourth Forex Transaction is interesting. It is still open.

When the Market is against you, what should you do?

(1) Suppose you sold RMB at 6.8500. You did not put in any limits as you were free and watched the market movements.
(2) The Market moved against you. It dropped to 6.8400. That represented a loss of 100PIP.
(3) You believe that the lowest value would be 6.8200. There is no way that the RMB will appreciate so much. You believe that the Hedge Funds will drive RMB to 7.0000 or more.
(4) The exchange rate continued to drop to 6.8300. The News was that the US stock and currency were falling because the Trump Executive Order against Muslims was facing opposition. The potential loss amounted to more than HKD18,000.
(5) There are a few options after guessing wrong.
(5a) Close the position and take a HKD18,000 loss.
(5b) Buy more RMB at the lower value, say 6.8250. The margin requirement is increased. But you have effectively reduced the break even point to (6.8250+6.8500)/2 or 6.8375.
- If the exchange rate moves up in your favor, you have two trades working for you.
- If the exchange rate moves down, you lose more. But that means RMB will appreciate significantly - the Hedge Funds do not like it. China also does not like it!
(6) When you have sufficient margin, you can keep both orders open and wait for the tide to turn in your favor.

Let us see what we can learn in this transaction.  It is not closed yet.


*** With the trade volume, 1 PIP represents approximately HKD85. Each open and close transaction involves 19 PIP or 1,615HKD. Frequent trading means giving a higher percentage to the Forex exchange.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 01, 2017, 10:37:38 AM



The fourth Forex Transaction is interesting. It is still open.

When the Market is against you, what should you do?

(1) Suppose you sold RMB at 6.8500. You did not put in any limits as you were free and watched the market movements.
(2) The Market moved against you. It dropped to 6.8400. That represented a loss of 100PIP.
(3) You believe that the lowest value would be 6.8200. There is no way that the RMB will appreciate so much. You believe that the Hedge Funds will drive RMB to 7.0000 or more.
(4) The exchange rate continued to drop to 6.8300. The News was that the US stock and currency were falling because the Trump Executive Order against Muslims was facing opposition. The potential loss amounted to more than HKD18,000.
(5) There are a few options after guessing wrong.
(5a) Close the position and take a HKD18,000 loss.
(5b) Buy more RMB at the lower value, say 6.8250. The margin requirement is increased. But you have effectively reduced the break even point to (6.8250+6.8500)/2 or 6.8375.
- If the exchange rate moves up in your favor, you have two trades working for you.
- If the exchange rate moves down, you lose more. But that means RMB will appreciate significantly - the Hedge Funds do not like it. China also does not like it!
(6) When you have sufficient margin, you can keep both orders open and wait for the tide to turn in your favor.

Let us see what we can learn in this transaction.  It is not closed yet.


*** With the trade volume, 1 PIP represents approximately HKD85. Each open and close transaction involves 19 PIP or 1,615HKD. Frequent trading means giving a higher percentage to the Forex exchange.


The position is half closed with realized profit of HK$9,544.79.
Open 6.8245  Closed 6.8364 Gain of 119PIPs.

The profit side was closed first when the net gain was slightly positive.
(1) One technique is to close both legs simultaneously, realizing no gain or loss.
(2) Since it was so much fun, I decided to let the losing leg open. If the exchange rate goes down, I repeat the exercise. If the exchange rate goes up, I start to get more profit.


The quoted USD/CNY rate was 6.8310. CNY is traded in China. CNH is traded in offshore centers such as Hong Kong. The rates can be different somewhat. CNY rate is quoted by Bank of China. CNH rate is purely market driven.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed lo
Post by: ltseung888 on February 01, 2017, 07:25:09 PM

The position is half closed with realized profit of HK$9,544.79.
Open 6.8245  Closed 6.8364 Gain of 119PIPs.

The profit side was closed first when the net gain was slightly positive.
(1) One technique is to close both legs simultaneously, realizing no gain or loss.
(2) Since it was so much fun, I decided to let the losing leg open. If the exchange rate goes down, I repeat the exercise. If the exchange rate goes up, I start to get more profit.

The quoted USD/CNY rate was 6.8310. CNY is traded in China. CNH is traded in offshore centers such as Hong Kong. The rates can be different somewhat. CNY rate is quoted by Bank of China. CNH rate is purely market driven.
As of Feb 1, USD/CNY closed at 6.87907. low 6.87738 high 6.88218

USD/CNH should be following with similar rate. The latest USD/CNH = 6.8364.  Thus it has room to increase. (RMB depreciates).

The bet is on a rate increase. Thus open another position at 6.8345.
The two legs are:
Open at 6.8458 profit limit 6.8503
Open at 6.8345 profit limit 6.8508

No stop loss. Can wait a few days. If successful, the profit from both legs should exceed HK$20,000.

This Forex trading is extremely addictive even with virtual money. No wonder the daily transaction volume exceeds 5 trillion and increasing. If China catches on, exceeding 10 trillion is possible.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed lo
Post by: ltseung888 on February 02, 2017, 03:21:18 AM

As of Feb 1, USD/CNY closed at 6.87907. low 6.87738 high 6.88218

USD/CNH should be following with similar rate. The latest USD/CNH = 6.8364.  Thus it has room to increase. (RMB depreciates).

The bet is on a rate increase. Thus open another position at 6.8345.
The two legs are:
Open at 6.8458 profit limit 6.8503
Open at 6.8345 profit limit 6.8508

No stop loss. Can wait a few days. If successful, the profit from both legs should exceed HK$20,000.

This Forex trading is extremely addictive even with virtual money. No wonder the daily transaction volume exceeds 5 trillion and increasing. If China catches on, exceeding 10 trillion is possible.
@Tseung
If you are a successful Forex Trader, you will be logged out. It is like the gambling industries banning card counters. The Forex Industry is largely unregulated. If you were logged out and lost your earnings, (they will return your capital), there is no place to sue.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed lo
Post by: ltseung888 on February 03, 2017, 01:30:45 AM
@Tseung
If you are a successful Forex Trader, you will be logged out. It is like the gambling industries banning card counters. The Forex Industry is largely unregulated. If you were logged out and lost your earnings, (they will return your capital), there is no place to sue.
China is looking for vehicles for its citizens to invest their hard earned money. If too much is invested in real estate, the real estate prices will shoot up like Hong Kong. The average income earners may no longer .to buy their own home. If the investing is in real assets such as gold, oil, factories, the prices will shoot up. The only way in the long run is let citizens invest in virtual assets such as derivatives.

I was against derivatives at one time. At that time, one can get a reasonable interest from deposits in the Bank. Now there is too much thin-air money. USA let Banks and other Financial Institutions to issue bonds with other bonds as "guaranteed assets" (or packaged the "mortgages" as underlying assets). That created the 2008 financial crisis when overdone. USA government had to print more thin-air money to support such thin-air bonds to prevent a total loss of confidence in the financial market.

If Forex trading were made legal and regulated in China, what will happen? If some of the spread money were automatically taken as "trading taxes", the Forex Brokers would be regulated and the investors/traders interests protected. The investors/traders may have to deposit a certain sum to the Government to safeguard them from total financial bankruptcy. The earnings would no longer be taxed again. The losses would not be reimbursed. (The person may have to fall back to survive on the deposited sum and/or fall to the social safety net).


Forex trading would reach many times the present daily 5 trillion USD level. Similar vehicles could be dreamt up. Is it a meaningful economic activity?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 03, 2017, 09:40:02 PM

@Tseung

Can you apply the theoretical model of SURE WIN? This SURE WIN concept is simple. If you win. Repeat betting at 1 unit.  If you lose,  bet 2 units. If you lose again, bet 4 units. If you have infinite amount of capital, you will always win.

In the Forex Market, The odds are not 50-50. There is a transaction cost (spread). But the theoretical SURE WIN method still applies.


*** The Forex Broker or Market Maker can prevent you from winning too much by logging you out! They can log you out while you were incurring losses. Thus they are the real winners!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 04, 2017, 11:35:04 PM

@Tseung
***
China’s national currency can be confusing. It is officially called the renminbi, or RMB (which is pinyin of the Chinese 人民币–“the people’s money”). The currency’s unit of account (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_of_account) is called the Chinese yuan. And to complicate the matters even more, there are two kinds of Chinese yuan: offshore (CNH) and onshore (CNY).

Offshore yuan is allowed to trade freely on foreign currency markets, but onshore yuan trading is controlled tightly by the Chinese central bank (the People’s Bank of China, PBOC). Effectively, this makes the renminbi inside of China (CNY) a wholly different currency to the Renminbi outside of China (CNH), with each trading at different rates.

CNY and CNH both have their own separate buy, sell and mid-market rate.
What is CNY rate?
Each weekday morning the PBOC sets a rate for CNY. The market within China is then allowed to trade within 2% of this value. It is important to note that the rate set by the PBOC is not the mid-market rate (http://blog.remitsy.com/truth-about-international-payments/) and is not the rate at which currency can be exchanged.

What is CNH rate?
CNH’s rate is not controlled. Its rate is decided almost entirely by the FX markets. But due to PBOC’s massive influence, this rate tends to stay within close range of the domestic CNY rate.

The CNY rate at any time can be either below OR above the CNH rate.
***
When one exchanges money in the retail exchange shops in Hong Kong, which rates do they use?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 05, 2017, 11:53:33 PM

@TseungU
When one exchanges money in the retail exchange shops in Hong Kong, which rates do they use?
CNH. The main currency pair exchange in Hong Kong is the RMB and HKD. Usually, such rates are displayed prominently.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 07, 2017, 01:56:42 AM

CNH. The main currency pair exchange in Hong Kong is the RMB and HKD. Usually, such rates are displayed prominently.
@Tseung
The Hedge Funds and Speculators can manipulate the USD/CNH exchange rate via the spot Forex market. But they still cannot manipulate the USD/CNY exchange rate as that is within China. So long as China maintains the separation, RMB will not be forced to devalue.


China should focus on defining and improving the quality and quantity of its Meaningful Economic Activities. Do not just follow the rules or examples set  by the West.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 07, 2017, 10:44:00 PM

@Tseung
The Hedge Funds and Speculators can manipulate the USD/CNH exchange rate via the spot Forex market. But they still cannot manipulate the USD/CNY exchange rate as that is within China. So long as China maintains the separation, RMB will not be forced to devalue.

China should focus on defining and improving the quality and quantity of its Meaningful Economic Activities. Do not just follow the rules or examples set  by the West.
The Meaningful Economic Activities for China at present should focus on improving the quality of life of its Citizens. No more poverty. Every family has electricity, running water, connection to Internet, health care, education and social benefits...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed lo
Post by: ltseung888 on February 08, 2017, 08:59:57 AM
As of Feb 1, USD/CNY closed at 6.87907. low 6.87738 high 6.88218

USD/CNH should be following with similar rate. The latest USD/CNH = 6.8364.  Thus it has room to increase. (RMB depreciates).

The bet is on a rate increase. Thus open another position at 6.8345.
The two legs are:
Open at 6.8458 profit limit 6.8503
Open at 6.8345 profit limit 6.8508

No stop loss. Can wait a few days. If successful, the profit from both legs should exceed HK$20,000.

This Forex trading is extremely addictive even with virtual money. No wonder the daily transaction volume exceeds 5 trillion and increasing. If China catches on, exceeding 10 trillion is possible.
All positions were closed. Hit profit limit.
I went fishing. When returned, all positions were closed. The net virtual profit was HK$40,385.
The initial virtual capital was HK$200,000 on Jan 30, 2017.

There was a scarily moment when the unrealized loss was over -HK$90,000. The lesson was stick to the game plan - buy more when the rate went down. One more leg was put in at 6.8195 and closed at 6.8505. It was risky but since it was virtual money...

One other factor not fully understood was Premium. In the period from Jan 30 to Feb 8, the Premium was -HK$13,348. Need to understand more.

*** It is easy to get addicted. Making money appears a piece of cake. The plan is to play with virtual money for 6 months to learn the tricks.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 08, 2017, 02:26:39 PM

The Meaningful Economic Activities for China at present should focus on improving the quality of life of its Citizens. No more poverty. Every family has electricity, running water, connection to Internet, health care, education and social benefits...
Some thoughts on Meaningful Economic Activities for China:
(1) Get farmers to move into Ghost Cities. Give generous financial incentives. Generate many jobs. Turn the small lot farms to efficient, mechanized modern farms.
(2) Have many village hotels. Tourism will be a major industry. Organize tours for the newly retired seniors. Help them to enjoy life. Instead of increasing their welfare payments (which mainly go into no activity bank accounts), organize parties, trips for them.
(3) Ensure that every citizen has access to electricity, water, internet, education, medical care and improving modern facilities.
(4) Educate all on win-win. If China wants to be rich and remain rich, help other Nations to become rich.
(5) Focus on real asset economy now but have think tanks dreaming about thin-air money economy.
(6) Let hedge funds and speculators play with USD/CNH. That exchange rate is "virtual". Tighten control on the inflow and outflow of RMB. Do not drain the reserve to "protect the virtual exchange rate". Spread the news that RMB will appreciate to combat the US Government accusation of currency manipulation.
(7) Get ready to introduce the UFO technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 08, 2017, 05:37:42 PM

Forex Premium is the interest that is gained or lost on any open position held overnight.


Opened one position to check out - receive some interest.
Sell USD/CNH @6.8437 Stop loss @6.8541
Let it ride for a few days to receive some interest. Maximum loss=104pips.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 08, 2017, 10:36:15 PM


@Tseung

Can you apply the theoretical model of SURE WIN? This SURE WIN concept is simple. If you win. Repeat betting at 1 unit.  If you lose,  bet 2 units. If you lose again, bet 4 units. If you have infinite amount of capital, you will always win.

In the Forex Market, The odds are not 50-50. There is a transaction cost (spread). But the theoretical SURE WIN method still applies.


*** The Forex Broker or Market Maker can prevent you from winning too much by logging you out! They can log you out while you were incurring losses. Thus they are the real winners!


What happens if the Chinese Government backs a Chinese Forex Exchanger? Will it become the largest? Remember Macau. It became the most profitable gambling center in the World.
http://www.shiftforex.com/start-fx-broker/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=banner&utm_term=overunity.com&utm_campaign=sab_asia1_d_audience&utm_content=sab_grow&gclid=CLec2Ze9gdICFRKVvQodEa8L1A (http://www.shiftforex.com/start-fx-broker/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=banner&utm_term=overunity.com&utm_campaign=sab_asia1_d_audience&utm_content=sab_grow&gclid=CLec2Ze9gdICFRKVvQodEa8L1A)

China will dominate the gold market as it holds more gold than any other Nation. Will it dominate the Forex Market? Will the Chinese Citizens invest in the China dominated (controlled) Forex Market? Who cares about Hedge Funds and their rumors then? Forex trading will exceed 10 trillion with Chinese investors playing a major role. Who will win the currency war?

Market forces will no longer be the Hedge Funds. Multinationals cannot compete against State Enterprises. FOREX brokers cannot compete against State exchanges.


***Just found out that different Forex Brokers can offer different exchange rates! China must have its own exchange to play.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 09, 2017, 10:23:04 AM

Forex Premium is the interest that is gained or lost on any open position held overnight.


Opened one position to check out - receive some interest.
Sell USD/CNH @6.8437 Stop loss @6.8541
Let it ride for a few days to receive some interest. Maximum loss=104pips.
Stop loss activated. Loss around HKD8K.
Wait for 6.8650 before another sell order. This is the safe route - stop loss and repeat deeper in the resistance range.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 09, 2017, 10:36:07 PM

@Tseung


Can you define what you understand by the UFO technology?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 09, 2017, 11:44:09 PM


@Tseung

Can you define what you understand by the UFO technology?

(1) UFO is commonly known as the flying saucer. It has the characteristics of making sharp turns, hovering, moving at high speeds and vanishing into space.

(2) To produce sharp turns, a flying object can have thrust in the 90 degree angle of the flight path. This is well understood.

(3) My understanding is that the thrust can be generated internally without ejecting any hot gases. That process is sometimes known as inertia propulsion. I believe that a magnet moving at different speeds in its circular path inside the UFO can achieve that.

(4) To hover in air, a helicopter has to make air above the blades move faster than that below. With a spinning object, the right shape can do that. For example, the top side can have wave like structures to generate high speed motion. The bottom can have shapes to produce turbulence and thus higher pressure.

(5) In conventional jet aircrafts, hot gases are ejected out. Much fuel must be carried on board. If inertia propulsion were used, there is no need to eject hot gases. The source of energy is not absolutely clear to me yet. But some experiments point to the use of the full electromagnetic wave spectrum. Solar panels use only a tiny portion. The Milkovic 2 stage pendulum points to the possibility of using gravitational energy. If that were true, the unbalance Chan Wheel should be more efficient.

Hope the above helps. I believe China, USA, Russia and some other Nations have developed flying saucers already. The most interesting aspect is the energy source. Some claimed that zero point energy was used...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 10, 2017, 08:18:03 AM

http://www.selectabroker.com/Macau/


There are over 150 Forex brokers listed in the above site. Macau, as the World's Number 1 gambling center, allows liberal Forex trading. China may use Macau as a base for a "Regulated State Forex Exchange". Chinese citizens may be allowed to trade there...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 10, 2017, 09:44:47 AM



Stop loss activated. Loss around HKD8K.
Wait for 6.8650 before another sell order. This is the safe route - stop loss and repeat deeper in the resistance range.
Trying out another strategy. Put in a sell order. This means that we have two opposite orders cancelling each other out. I can rest at peace no matter how the market moves. The plan is to get deep into the resistance level. If the rate keeps rising, there will be no more risk. Can wait until a very high level. When the rate falls clearly, take profit on the long side. Let the short side take advantage of the downward trend and profit.


Actual figures:
Short the pair @6.8643 No stop loss.  Aim to take profit when the pair drops to 6.8123. Profit 520 PIPs.
Long the pair @6.8709 No stop loss. Total unrealized loss = -7,200. Aim to hunt for the top resistance level totally risk free. (Will have to pay some premium.)


*** When top presumably reached, short again at that level.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 10, 2017, 10:41:26 AM


Trying out another strategy. Put in a sell order. This means that we have two opposite orders cancelling each other out. I can rest at peace no matter how the market moves. The plan is to get deep into the resistance level. If the rate keeps rising, there will be no more risk. Can wait until a very high level. When the rate falls clearly, take profit on the long side. Let the short side take advantage of the downward trend and profit.


Actual figures:
Short the pair @6.8643 No stop loss.  Aim to take profit when the pair drops to 6.8123. Profit 520 PIPs.
Long the pair @6.8709 No stop loss. Total unrealized loss = -7,200. Aim to hunt for the top resistance level totally risk free. (Will have to pay some premium.)


*** When top presumably reached, short again at that level.
Next time, enter the short and long at approximately the same time. The trransaction cost will probably be twice the spread or 38 PIPs (approximately HK$3,000). When guessed right, the profit should be in the region of $20,000. (If doubled at the new level, the profit should exceed 40K.  Not bad.
Is it a low risk strategy? The timeframe for each trade is likely to be one to two weeks.


Earning $30K per month on capital of $200K should not be a problem. Growing the capital to $400K in 6 months with this technique appears feasible. Let use see.


*** This Forex Trading is extremely addictive. One can trade both in up or down market. One can trade 24 hours a day, five days a week. (Need two days to rest.) There are many strategies that can be used.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: endlessoceans on February 10, 2017, 10:51:11 AM

Trying out another strategy. Put in a sell order. This means that we have two opposite orders cancelling each other out. I can rest at peace no matter how the market moves. The plan is to get deep into the resistance level. If the rate keeps rising, there will be no more risk. Can wait until a very high level. When the rate falls clearly, take profit on the long side. Let the short side take advantage of the downward trend and profit.


Actual figures:
Short the pair @6.8643 No stop loss.  Aim to take profit when the pair drops to 6.8123. Profit 520 PIPs.
Long the pair @6.8709 No stop loss. Total unrealized loss = -7,200. Aim to hunt for the top resistance level totally risk free. (Will have to pay some premium.)





*** When top presumably reached, short again at that level.


Hey Stupid

This forum about Energy, not Forex or Politics.  Are you that desperate to hear your own voice that you need to just dribble manure all day.

What happened to all those UFO's you said were flying around?  Please show us working UFO off the Fung wheel or whatever madness it is you are vomiting.

I realise that in China you don't get paid much and this leads to general unhappiness but please go outside and find a girlfriend or something
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 11, 2017, 01:35:00 PM



Hey Stupid

This forum about Energy, not Forex or Politics.  Are you that desperate to hear your own voice that you need to just dribble manure all day.

What happened to all those UFO's you said were flying around?  Please show us working UFO off the Fung wheel or whatever madness it is you are vomiting.

I realise that in China you don't get paid much and this leads to general unhappiness but please go outside and find a girlfriend or something
UFO technology is closely tied to politics. We are in the middle of an Economic War. Forex is an important weapon in this economic war.

The many UFO sightings indicate possible man-made flying saucers. The theory has been described here. Don't expect me to build one. The amount of money and resources is beyond any individual.

I spent over 40 year in UK and USA. Now I am happily retired in Hong Kong, China. Money is no longer an issue. I prefer to use this forum as there is little "noise".
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 11, 2017, 01:48:04 PM
The attached picture showed the positions and thoughts. The price is around 7,000 virtual HK$. The knowledge gained is as valuable as the book "Beat the Dealer" describing the Black Jack card counting technique.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 12, 2017, 12:59:25 AM

The "correct" technique in TREND forex trading.


Can the trade really turn 200K to 5m in six months?
If he uses leverage of 200:1, he effectively controls 40m.  He can use 1m as one unit in trading.
Making 5 units with capital of 40 means 12.5% return in 6 months.
He may be right. The Hedge Funds and Bank of China are handing him money!!!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 14, 2017, 08:58:32 PM
The learning experience and the strategy to turn 200K to 5m riding on the Hedge Funds attack on RMB.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 15, 2017, 11:02:21 PM

The attached picture showed the positions and thoughts. The price is around 7,000 virtual HK$. The knowledge gained is as valuable as the book "Beat the Dealer" describing the Black Jack card counting technique.


It looks like the graph shaped above is occurring. After much confusion, two sets of "offsetting" bets were placed to take care of the potential downward movement, followed by the expected up movement again.


This Forex trading game is very additive. See if the "sure win" technique can double the 200K to 400K in the next few weeks as planned...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 16, 2017, 11:34:42 PM
The learning experience and the strategy to turn 200K to 5m riding on the Hedge Funds attack on RMB.


A bit surprised that there were only 5 downloads of the presentation file as of this morning.
Looks like many people are skeptical when I claimed a "sure win" strategy that can turn HK$10K to over 200K within 6 months. He who understands and takes action will become millionaires.

One individual told me, "During the Asian Financial Crisis, the Hedge Funds attacked the Thai Current. If I had betted that the Thai currency would devalue sharply, I could have made tons of money. That was the only opportunity I know as sure-win."

Actually, a similar sure-win scenario is occurring right in front of us.  Examine the USD/CNH graph carefully. If you had Opened the currency pair 18 months ago on the expectation of the value rising (RMB devalue), you would have gained 6,600 PIPs (not counting the Premium). If you had Opened the currency pair 6 months ago (Aug 2016) at 6.7000, your gain would be 1600PIPs (6.8600 - 6.7000). If the rate hits 7.5000 by the end of the year as "predicted" by some hedge funds, the gain would be very juicy(75000-68600=6400PIPs).  For full understanding, download and read the presentation file.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 17, 2017, 05:23:04 PM

It looks like the Stop Loss technique is much better than the "Peace of Mind" technique where a simultaneous buy and sell are placed.  Sooner or later, a firm decision must be made. A Stop Lmeoss order does not involve an additional transaction cost.


An initial Stop Loss can be carefully thought through. The loss can be calculated first.


The "Peace of Mind" method creates much uncertainty at the point of taking away the protection. The fluctuating market gets the mind confused. Putting protection on and off and on again caused so much transaction cost that it ended in loss for me.  Stick to the tried technique of Stop Loss. Ego hurts when guessed wrong. But indecision and haste decision is worst.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 18, 2017, 01:37:18 AM

A friend asked: "I would like to make HK$800 a day. I can be a day trader as I am retired. If I invest HK$200 (same as the demo account), how many PIPs do I need to gain on average per day?"


For Day Trading, there is no need to consider Premium. Each PIP is worth anpproximately HK$700. He needs to make 12 PIP profit a day on average. The transaction cost is 19PIPs. He needs to find a transaction that gives at least 31PIP gain. Note that he would be helping the Broker to make more money (19 vs 12PIPs).


Thus searching for Broker with lowest spread is important. This FOREX trading game is additive. If and when China allows FOREX trading in China with proper controls and regulations, the volume of daily transaction is likely to double.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 20, 2017, 03:59:18 PM

 I was at a seminar organized by Alibaba.com. Their success is no accident. The Seminar had speakers covering Government Funding, Using the Alibaba platform, logistics and selling via an Alibaba partner when one only focuses on manufacturing.

I was given a few minutes at the end to talk about Forex Trading under the attack of Hedge Funds on RMB to those interested. I was challenged to justify the statement that a 200K account can be traded to have a balance of over 3m in six months.

I used historic data and selected a six month period. I randomly started in Aug 2017 buying the pair at 6.6300 and closing at 6.8611. The gain was 2,311PIPs. At HK$100 per PIP, the gain before the daily premium was HK$231,100. That was using a margin of around HK$20K. If we use PIPs, the average daily gain in PIPs is 12.8(2,311/180)PIPs. Assume a daily premium of 4PIPs, the daily gain should exceed 8 PIPs.

If after 30 days, the gain is 240 PIPs, I Close the position. I Open 2 units using a margin of around 40K. The gain in the next 30 days should average 16PIPs. After another 30 days, I use the total gain of 480PIPs to Open 4 units etc.

With initial 1 unit (HK$20K margin), the monthly gain would be:
240 480 960 1,920 3,840 7,680

At the end of six months, the total gain would have been 7,680 PIPs.  There were no significant dip in the period selected.  Thus the net gain per Unit invested would be HK$768,000.

If I had invested 4 units, the total gain would have been HK$3,072,000. Many eyes popped out. Most did not understand the mechanism of FOREX trading. One immediately placed an Open Order. He said, “Let us plan to meet again in six months.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2017, 07:47:18 PM

 A senior commented: “Who knows such an insane money making strategy? I have been trading FOREX for some time. I certainly never learned it.”

The Hedge Funds attacking the RMB certainly know it. Hopefully, every FOREX trader will know it within weeks. They would flood the system with millions of orders betting the devaluation of RMB. The Central Bank of China would have no choice but to re-evaluate its strategy. Do it now before the Reserve have been drained!!!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 21, 2017, 08:09:29 PM

***
Lawrence,  I would consider that expecting the past six month trend to continue straight line projection to the following six months is naive and too simple minded.  Nothing on earth is so perfect and smooth.

TS
***
We are not looking for perfection. We are talking about the strategic directions. The West devised such rules to attack any Nation without firing bullets. Should China stupidly play according to such rules?

The calculation is to show that any average person can be a part-time FOREX trader and make millions. (The Hedge Funds are already making billions.) China is stupidly draining its reserve to protect the Currency Exchange Rate. The rules set up by the West is so biased that China simply have no chance to win.

Go back to the rigid Foreign Exchange Control days and do NOT play the stupid game...

Introduce the New Competition - two camps competing to develop the poor Nations. Make others rich so that one can be rich and remain rich.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 22, 2017, 03:11:08 PM
One comment: "Your calculation is theoretically correct. But in practice, no one does things to that extreme unless it is virtual money. Most people will take some money out early to enjoy. They will invest less aggressively to reduce the potential downside risks."

With 200K, the total protection is 2000PIPs theoretically. Using it to protect 1 unit of bet is definitely sufficient. But to use it to protect 32 bets towards the beginning of the sixth month, the protection will only be 62PIPs (2000/32).

Most people will be yelling with joy if they can double their money in six months.

Keep up with the theoretical calculations, they are good stimuli...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 22, 2017, 10:07:13 PM

 Question 1: If Central Bank of China or its agents do not participate in the FOREX Market any more, what is likely to be the outcome?
When there are sellers of RMB and no buyers, the RMB will devalue very quickly. Instead of a maximum depreciation of 2% a day, the depreciation can be many times that (Learn from USSR and the Asian Financial Crisis).

Question 2: Where do the FOREX Market Makers get their RMB to do the trading?
They do not need to own any RMB. The FOREX Market plays on derivatives – or numbers based on the trading. For example, I do not need to own any USD or RMB to buy or sell the USD/CNH pair. My account is in Hong Kong Dollars.

Question 3: What will happen to my Open Order (betting RMB to depreciate) when there are no buyers of RMB in the FOREX?
The USD/CNH rate will shoot up from the present 6.8 to well over 10. You may not be able to close the order to realize the profit. But on the books, you will show a very high unrealized gain. You may be able to use that unrealized gain to do other trading…

Question 4: Is it likely that the Central Bank of China to take the drastic action of not supporting the RMB in the FOREX market? It still has close to Three Trillion USD reserve.
Three Trillion in a daily 5 trillion market is not very much. The Hedge Funds and calculating Traders are draining that reserve slowly. They already succeeded in capturing 1 trillion. There are still close to 3 trillion for them to profit. China already fell into the trap of “letting the market determine the rate”. The Market is actually the gang of crocodiles feasting on the unknowing. It will take many weeks or months for the Chinese Decision Makers to think through the problem and the solutions. My bet is that they will eventually quit the game – probably after losing another trillion.

Question 5: If I jump into the FOREX market and sell the USD/CNH pair now, am I likely to make some profit?
Yes. While the Central Bank of China is still in the “consideration mode”, you are likely to make some money. Take profit while you can. If China really decides not to pay the FOREX game and go back to pegging to the USD rigidly, you may never realize your profit.

Question 6: Are you claiming that the five trillion USD FOREX trading is an Economic Weapon that can be used by USA to destroy any Nation?
USSR was destroyed. The Asian Miracle evaporated. China lost a quarter of its reserve. Instead of using the reserve to buy goods and services (or recruit and train talent), China handed the reserve to the crocodiles. When will China ever learn?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 23, 2017, 05:58:06 PM
Went to the iFXexpo  in Hong Kong. Got much information.

The FOREX trading in China is not yet regulated. But the activity is rapidly increasing as Chinese Citizens have more spare cash.

I believe the best way is to channel that cash into Meaningful Economic Activities such as helping other Nations to become rich.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 23, 2017, 06:17:18 PM

Question 7: You are claiming that the Hedge Funds are ganging up to devalue the RMB and make huge profits. You have disclosed how a retail FOREX trader can turn 200K to 5m in six months. Are the Hedge Funds using the same strategy?


The turning 200K to 5m example is to show theoretically - how huge profits could be made even by the calculating retail Forex traders taking advantage of the attack on RMB by the Hedge Funds.. The Hedge Funds can use much safer strategies. They can even be brokers or partner with brokers to lower the transaction costs. They do not need to worry about any sudden event that might cause a "margin closeout".  They do not need to play the game of turning 200K to 5m. They will be quite happy to turn 200K to 400K in six months for now. When China runs out of Reserve, they will go for the kill. They will make billions and destroy the Chinese economy at the same time. (They are the foot soldiers in the Economic War.)


Just look back at the collapse of USSR and the Asia Financial Crisis.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 23, 2017, 11:34:24 PM

 Question 8: Can you describe the action from the point of the Hedge Funds (or crocodiles)?

The Hedge Funds will Open buy Orders for the USD/CNH pair betting the value to go up (RMB devalue). The Central Bank of China or its agents will do the corresponding sell order. The Hedge Funds will Open more buy orders until the Central Bank of China slows or skips some corresponding sell orders. That will force the USD/CNH pair value to go up somewhat.

The Hedge Funds can wait – even overnight as they are winning bets. The Bank of China will have to close their losing bets daily to avoid the additional loss in premium. That means the Bank of China is helping the Hedge Funds to win!

The number of trades and the amount involved are much higher than those from the combined retail Forex traders. The calculating retail Forex traders should always bet on the side of the Hedge Funds. (Bet with the winner.)

The Bank of China and its agents have zero winning chance in this “currency or economic” war. This war will drain the hard earned Reserve. Like one news reporter said: “It is like pouring sand to try to fill the sea. There is just not enough sand to do so.”  When will China ever learn?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 24, 2017, 12:10:14 AM
 Question 9: Do you think the crocodiles will pause and digest rather than attack constantly?


Yes. Some Central Bank of China Officials may be lured to say that there were never any threats. It was just normal market fluctuations. The top Chinese Economists should play the what-if scenarios with their computers.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 24, 2017, 01:10:31 AM

Question 10: Will China be able to achieve the goal of having RMB as the Settlement and Reserve Currency under the current situation?


Will any Nation be stupid enough to hold a depreciating currency as Settlement and Reserve Currency?


If the RMB were rigidly pegged to the Dollar and occasionally China appreciates the RMB, that will be a different story. If the interest rate in Chinese is higher than that in USA, it will be even more tempting to hold RMB.


Who advised China to let "market force" determine the exchange rate? The crocodiles?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 24, 2017, 07:19:36 AM
 Question 11: What will happen if China has its own Forex Exchange within China? All bets are placed with this Chinese Forex Exchange. The gain and loss are effectively under the control of the Chinese Government. In addition, the Chinese Government can theoretically produce infinite amount of thin-air money to do the trading.


The bets are actually propagated to the International Forex Exchanges. In such a setup, the Chinese Foreign Currency Reserve will never be drained. All it involves is printing more thin-air RMB. The daily Forex Transactions may exceed 10 trillion or more. China will have a “Place” for its citizens to “invest” the extra thin-air money. The Market Forces are no long the crocodiles. They are the almighty dragons!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 24, 2017, 07:20:33 PM
Question 12: What will happen if China uses one of the "not officially recognized" Chinese Brokers within China to do the trade?


Make sure that Broker can act as Market Maker for the USD/CHN trade. Use one that can be totally "controlled" in Hong Kong or Macau is acceptable. Best is to use one within China.

Trading through such a broker with the result of the trade reflected on the International Forex computer systems can guarantee that China will beat the Hedge Funds. No Foreign Currency Reserve will ever be used. The trading can be done with thin-air created RMB. China can theoretically create infinite amount of RMB and no gang of Hedge Funds has a chance to beat China.

Do not stupidly trade via the foreign Forex Exchanges. (Is China trading through the London Forex and giving away billions?)

This can be achieved quietly without any loss of face or announcement of changes in policy. It can be done on Monday when the Forex Market in China opens...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 24, 2017, 07:30:18 PM

Question 12: What will happen if China uses one of the "not officially recognized" Chinese Brokers within China to do the trade?


Make sure that Broker can act as Market Maker for the USD/CHN trade. Use one that can be totally "controlled" in Hong Kong or Macau is acceptable. Best is to use one within China.

Trading through such a broker with the result of the trade reflected on the International Forex computer systems can guarantee that China will beat the Hedge Funds. No Foreign Currency Reserve will ever be used. The trading can be done with thin-air created RMB. China can theoretically create infinite amount of RMB and no gang of Hedge Funds has a chance to beat China.

Do not stupidly trade via the foreign Forex Exchanges. (Is China trading through the London Forex and giving away billions?)

This can be achieved quietly without any loss of face or announcement of changes in policy. It can be done on Monday when the Forex Market in China opens...


The above was actually discussed at Z.com in Hong Kong. Their Experienced Forex Manager "agreed" with the analysis. Z.com stopped USD/CNH pair trading some years back. But the logic is clear to the ones in the trade... When will China ever learn?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 25, 2017, 07:40:21 PM
 Question 13: If China plays with its own FOREX Exchanges, does that really mean that it can reflect or manipulate or control the exchange rate? Can China then regulate and expand its FOREX Industry?
 
 
Yes. It was like the gaming industry. Macau became the crown jewel of the gaming world. International investment poured in to take advantage of the opportunities of winning RMB from the Chinese Citizens. In that process, Macau became wealthy. Macau can help the surrounding regions to become wealthy especially after completion of the Zhuhai-Hong Kong-Macau Bridge. That is expected to open to traffic at the end of 2017.
 
It will be a case similar to the State Enterprises. Dad and Mom shops will never be able to compete with Multi-Nationals. But properly run State Enterprises can easily beat the Multi-Nationals with the deep pocket and resources from the Government.
 
Regulated, large scale, well financed Forex Exchanges will emerge from China. These Forex Exchanges, both Chinese funded and Foreign funded, are likely to dwarf any existing Forex Exchanges. The drawbacks of shady Forex operators will be overcome. China may demand all Forex Exchanges to have a physical presence (forcing significant investment in property, equipment, management) and the creation of thousands of jobs. China will weigh the advantages of imposing taxation or imposing a transaction fee (or adding 1 PIP to the spread as tax to the Government).
 
It is likely to be a very Meaningful Economic Activity. Many investors will find an alternative to investing in stocks or property. The investing into derivatives (or pure numbers game) must happen sooner or later as the amount of thin-air created RMB reaches a certain level. (USA learned that long ago.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 25, 2017, 08:08:35 PM
 Question 14: There is a rumor spreading in Hong Kong. The two persons responsible in defeating the Hedge Funds (Soros at al) are both in jail. It is a plot by the West to prevent them from “fighting and winning” again. Do you think that this is true?
 
Anyone can spread rumors. The crocodiles spread rumors that RMB will depreciate. Some news media spread rumors that trade war between China and USA is inevitable. Anyone can think of something to write (or to excite) to raise eyebrows. These persons will attract attention (President Trump is a typical case.)
 
In my humble opinion, Hong Kong is very stupid to imprison its two top financial brains who had actual experience in fighting the Economic War. Chinese history had many cases of “getting the emperors to persecute their best Officials”.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 26, 2017, 08:02:14 PM
 Question 15: If China allows regulated Forex Trading and other derivative trading in China, does it mean that China would have solved the problem of allowing an outlet for the thin-air RMB? There is no need to speculate on the property and stock markets? Chinese Citizens will all have improving standards of housing, food, education etc.?
 
USA and the West also allow the use of BONDS to absorb their thin-air currencies. Many of these bonds are issued by private banks with no real means of income. They promised the buyers of these bonds a higher interest rate than bank deposits. Some of the thin-air currency is then effectively taken out of immediate circulation. There will be less thin-air currency to be used for speculation. The USA and other Western Governments use their QE policies to buy such bonds to pop up the private banks.
 
China should use the extra thin-air money to help all its citizens to become rich and to help other Nations rich. Building infrastructures within China to create more jobs and better travelling is generally accepted. But building infrastructures in Africa and other less developed Nations is still a “mental obstacle”. Some less far-sighted politicians still view that as “pouring money down the ocean”. The far-sighted politicians should see such actions as – to get rich and remain rich, one should help others rich. Influence will not be via Military Force or Economic Cunning. Disintegrating USSR (or China) or destroying other “Miracle Nations” will not buy long lasting peace. Making them rich so that all can enjoy the prosperity will.
 
Knowledge has the characteristics of – you have more when you give more away. Thin-air money may now acquire the same characteristics with the right mind-set and management.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 26, 2017, 08:13:55 PM
 Question 16: Are you claiming that your solutions can prevent the Hedge Funds from draining the Reserve of China? Do you really think that you are better than all the Brain Trusts at Harvard, MIT, Cambridge, etc.?
 
Knowledge has the characteristics of – give it away and you get more. I am giving away what I know and I am sure that I am getting more. The Brain Trusts of the West have to “keep their knowledge secret” for political reasons. I and many others like me have an immense advantage over these Brain Trusts…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 26, 2017, 11:15:51 PM

 Question 17: What will happen to the USD/CNH pair prices if China does take the actions you recommend?

If China were to trade through “a controlled” Forex exchange or broker within China, there will be many trades around 6.85. There will be no more drain on the Reserve. The to be published figure on March 7 should reflect that. The Hedge Funds will soon realize that their efforts will no longer be effective. They will get the News Media to call China a currency manipulator.

If the long term prospect is an exchange rate of around 6.85, the betting strategy will have to change. There will not be any “sure win” any more.  Too bad.  But China is saved…

The winning strategy may be to open Forex Exchanges in China or buy the stock of the Companies that will do so… ;) ;)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 27, 2017, 04:16:47 PM
 Question 18: Are you saying that the strategy used to disintegrate USSR; devalue the British Pound and destroy the Asian Miracle in 1997 is now useless with your stupid proposal? China has lost one quarter of its Reserve. Many Chinese are changing their RMB to USD. The Forex Brokers in London are enjoying their new found wealth. Do you really think that you can succeed when all those better than you failed?
 
The New China is no longer “governed” by a few uninformed leaders any more. The Internet allowed anyone with ideas to be shared. This particular thread has over 120,000 hits. Some of them are from Chinese Nationals who has ways to pass on the information to higher authorities. The Leaders of the Chinese Communist Party listen to logic and they can reason independently. (Elites in Hong Kong still believe in Market Forces and imprisoned their two top financial brains who had real experience in fighting the crocodiles.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on February 28, 2017, 11:39:19 PM

Question 17: What will happen to the USD/CNH pair prices if China does take the actions you recommend?

If China were to trade through “a controlled” Forex exchange or broker within China, there will be many trades around 6.85. There will be no more drain on the Reserve. The to be published figure on March 7 should reflect that. The Hedge Funds will soon realize that their efforts will no longer be effective. They will get the News Media to call China a currency manipulator.

If the long term prospect is an exchange rate of around 6.85, the betting strategy will have to change. There will not be any “sure win” any more.  Too bad.  But China is saved…

The winning strategy may be to open Forex Exchanges in China or buy the stock of the Companies that will do so… ;) ;)


If every Nation trades through its own Forex Exchange, does that mean the "atomic weapon" of the Economic War is no longer effective? USSR might not have disintegrated. The Asian Financial Crisis might not have happened? China can spend its reserve on useful goods and services - no longer handing it to the crocodiles?


I think that the proposal to have two camps competing to bring up the economy of poor nation is much better than the present Economic Wars...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 03, 2017, 11:00:12 PM

 Question 19: This question was raised by a Banker. He asked: “What is likely to happen to the RMB exchange rate if China stops buying RMB (or the USD/CNH pair) for a few days in the Forex Exchanges?”
 
Many of us paused to think. Friend A yelled: “The USD/CNH pair value will shoot past 7.0 and may even go beyond. It will spell financial chaos internationally. China will not allow that.”

Friend B said: “Why not? USA is accusing China as the Currency Manipulator that artificially lowers the value of the RMB to gain export advantage. The rapid depreciation of the RMB (increase in value of USD/CNH) in a couple of days will show the World that this is not the case. The Manipulators are the USA Hedge Funds or Crocodiles.”

Friend C said: “In order for China to drastically change its currency strategy, it needs to show the World a very good reason. The rapid increase in the USD/CNH rate for no economic reason will provide a good story.”

Friend A: “Is that worthwhile? Financial Chaos for a few days will cause China to lose face.”

Friend B: “On the contrary, it shows that China understands the stupid rules set by the West. It shows that China will not play according to such rules. Defining a new set of rules is of paramount importance.”

Friend C: “The new rules may be as drastic as the Malaysian Ringgit in 1998. It may be back to rigidly pegging to the USD with periodic appreciation. It may be playing the Forex Exchange game via a Chinese Exchange within China. It may be some rules not discussed previously. China just cannot play according to the present rules and see the draining of its Foreign Currency Reserve; followed by a collapse of the currency and disintegration of the Nation.”

Tseung: “When you mention the disintegration of the Nation, the decision makers in China will take note. They have seen the disintegration of USSR.”

Friend A: “I just do not believe China will allow a sudden change in the RMB Exchange rate. Let us see.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 04, 2017, 09:47:02 AM

 Question 20: If China does not want to play according the present rules, which new rule is China most likely to take?
 
In my opinion, China is likely to revert back to pegging rigidly to the USD with periodic appreciation of the RMB. China already had experience and success with that system. China can focus back on international trade and not the losing currency game.

China may stop popping up the RMB exchange rate (USD/CNH pair) and let that rate to increase suddenly to ridiculous levels. The USD/CNH pair value may shoot pass 7.0 and then exceed 10.0. China can then point to the attack by the crocodiles (Hedge Funds) and justify reverting back to the pegged currency system.

When China pegged RMB rigidly to the USD and had strong currency controls, the RMB was highly valued. Investors viewed it as safe; paying higher interests and were happy to own RMB. The Foreign Currency Reserve kept piling up.

Can China move back to the good old days? YES. Let the crocodiles jack up the rate to ridiculous levels for a few days. Explain the need to change the rules of the game clearly. Get the Chinese economists and other like-minded economists to write hundreds or thousands of supporting articles. Promise President Trump that the RMB will periodically appreciate and not take advantage of the low rate to boost exports.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 04, 2017, 05:23:50 PM

Question 20: If China does not want to play according the present rules, which new rule is China most likely to take?
 
In my opinion, China is likely to revert back to pegging rigidly to the USD with periodic appreciation of the RMB. China already had experience and success with that system. China can focus back on international trade and not the losing currency game.

China may stop popping up the RMB exchange rate (USD/CNH pair) and let that rate to increase suddenly to ridiculous levels. The USD/CNH pair value may shoot pass 7.0 and then exceed 10.0. China can then point to the attack by the crocodiles (Hedge Funds) and justify reverting back to the pegged currency system.

When China pegged RMB rigidly to the USD and had strong currency controls, the RMB was highly valued. Investors viewed it as safe; paying higher interests and were happy to own RMB. The Foreign Currency Reserve kept piling up.

Can China move back to the good old days? YES. Let the crocodiles jack up the rate to ridiculous levels for a few days. Explain the need to change the rules of the game clearly. Get the Chinese economists and other like-minded economists to write hundreds or thousands of supporting articles. Promise President Trump that the RMB will periodically appreciate and not take advantage of the low rate to boost exports.


https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/06/8-facts-about-chinas-economy/


The above article summarized the rapid growth of the Chinese Economy. It did not compare the Asian Financial Miracle before 1997. It did not describe the economic weapon used by the Hedge Funds that destroyed that Miracle.


Can China neutralize that weapon? (In the financial world, the big fish eats the small fish). Can China set up the nets to prevent the sharks from devout their prey? Can the educational level of the Chinese Citizens rise as fast as or faster than the economic development?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 05, 2017, 05:50:24 AM


To: Officials and Political Leaders in Hong Kong
From: Lawrence Tseung et al
Subject: Is China losing in the Economic War and can Hong Kong help?

Many of you already noticed that the RMB was depreciating since 2015. The exchange rate was 1USD to 6.20RMB then. It is now around 6.89. The Chinese Foreign Currency Reserve dropped from 4 trillion to 3 trillion USD. The Hedge Funds and many Western Media “predicted” that RMB would further depreciate and some even predicted the rate would be 7.5 by the end of 2017. That caused many in Hong Kong to change their RMB holdings to HKD.

Many of you also saw the collapse of USSR in 1991. Before the collapse, one Ruble = 3USD. After the collapse, 1USD = 4,700Rubles. USSR was wipe out in the Economic War. You may also remember the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997. Before the crisis, the region was the Asian Miracle with increasing GDP and rapid growth. At the crisis, countries after countries fell – Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, South Korea, etc. Their Foreign Currency Reserves were drained and the currency collapsed.

The same weapon is again used on China. China is losing. Can Hong Kong, with its financial brains, help? An article discussing the issue is in:
http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg501198/#msg501198 (http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg501198/#msg501198)
Should Hong Kong help with solutions or just be an observer?

Yours sincerely,
Lawrence Tseung at al
March 3, 2017
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 05, 2017, 09:24:02 AM
Question 21: Most people lose money in Forex Trading. You are saying that you have a "sure-win" technique by trading along side with the crocodiles. Will you be devoured by the crocodiles yourself?

The crocodiles are forcing the RMB to depreciate to drain the Foreign Currency Reserve of China. They are using the USD/CNH pair to do so. They open the pair at a low value (e.g. 6.5000), betting the value to go up. Someone has to be on the other side. The Central Bank of China or its agents wants to keep the rate from rising too much and buy the pair at that rate. The crocodiles and the Western News Media "predict" a devaluation of the RMB. The massive news coverage got many RMB holders to exchange their RMB holdings to USD. Most calculating Forex Traders will also bet on depreciation of the RMB. They will bet on the side of the crocodiles.

This means the Central Bank of China will be the only major player betting the RMB will not depreciate too fast (or the USD/CNH rate does not increase too fast). It is a one-sided battle. The gang of Hedge Funds or crocodiles and "allies" will win. The Central Bank of China will drain its Foreign Currency Reserves to pop up the RMB. The drain started in 2015 and continuing.

The present value is around 6.9000. This means the crocodiles have achieved a gain of 4,000 pips. At the same time, it means the Central Bank of China lost 4,000 PIPs. To the average Forex Trader, each PIP represents HK$100. But for the crocodiles, each PIP easily represents HK$1,000,000. 4,000 PIP means 4,000,000,000 or HK$4billion. Each crocodile took in HK$4 billion. The drain of the China Foreign Currency Reserve of 1 trillion USD is not surprising.

This sure-win strategy will continue as long as the crocodiles attack the RMB and the Central Bank of China is the only major player popping up the RMB. In this scenario, we are not talking about trading Forex in general.  We are talking about betting with the winner who is overwhelming the Central Bank of China and draining its Reserves. When will China ever learn?

The crocodiles are too busy devouring the Chinese Dragon to care about the small fishes (the small Forex traders.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 05, 2017, 06:53:02 PM

Question 21: Most people lose money in Forex Trading. You are saying that you have a "sure-win" technique by trading along side with the crocodiles. Will you be devoured by the crocodiles yourself?

The crocodiles are forcing the RMB to depreciate to drain the Foreign Currency Reserve of China. They are using the USD/CNH pair to do so. They open the pair at a low value (e.g. 6.5000), betting the value to go up. Someone has to be on the other side. The Central Bank of China or its agents wants to keep the rate from rising too much and buy the pair at that rate. The crocodiles and the Western News Media "predict" a devaluation of the RMB. The massive news coverage got many RMB holders to exchange their RMB holdings to USD. Most calculating Forex Traders will also bet on depreciation of the RMB. They will bet on the side of the crocodiles.

This means the Central Bank of China will be the only major player betting the RMB will not depreciate too fast (or the USD/CNH rate does not increase too fast). It is a one-sided battle. The gang of Hedge Funds or crocodiles and "allies" will win. The Central Bank of China will drain its Foreign Currency Reserves to pop up the RMB. The drain started in 2015 and continuing.

The present value is around 6.9000. This means the crocodiles have achieved a gain of 4,000 pips. At the same time, it means the Central Bank of China lost 4,000 PIPs. To the average Forex Trader, each PIP represents HK$100. But for the crocodiles, each PIP easily represents HK$1,000,000. 4,000 PIP means 4,000,000,000 or HK$4billion. Each crocodile took in HK$4 billion. The drain of the China Foreign Currency Reserve of 1 trillion USD is not surprising.

This sure-win strategy will continue as long as the crocodiles attack the RMB and the Central Bank of China is the only major player popping up the RMB. In this scenario, we are not talking about trading Forex in general.  We are talking about betting with the winner who is overwhelming the Central Bank of China and draining its Reserves. When will China ever learn?

The crocodiles are too busy devouring the Chinese Dragon to care about the small fishes (the small Forex traders.)

There are some sure-win businesses. Lottery ticket is one of them. If it were run by private companies, it is a scam. But if it is run by the Government, it is legitimate. The proceeds or profits can be directed to social services and citizens generally accept it.

In some places like Macau or Las Vegas, Gambling is legal and heavily regulated. It becomes a vital business and source of jobs and revenue. It attracts tourists. Is it a meaningful economic activity?

At the moment, Forex trading is "unregulated". There is no "true market forces" that will more or less balance the transactions. It is very easy for the crocodiles to gang together to devour the economy of any Nation. USA found that such a setup allowed it to disintegrate USSR; evaporate the Asian Miracle and wipe out China (If China stupidly play the game in the Foreign Forex Exchanges).

If China regulates its Forex Exchanges and the Government effectively runs it as a sure-win business, it will be a different story. The Government can "manipulate" the transactions so that the "currency exchange rate" is effectively controlled by the Government. That rate is allowed to fluctuate to provide the volatility (or ups and downs) for the "Market Forces" to play. In reality, all Governments can run their Forex Exchanges similar to the lottery business.

What would happen to the 5 trillion Forex Industry?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 05, 2017, 07:36:35 PM
There is an unwritten rule and a well kept secret.

In the 1920s, the USA public blindly believed that the stock market would only go up. They poured in their savings and many borrowed to jump onto the stock market. What goes up must come down. The great depression followed.

Now, the USA big banks and government have this unwritten rule and secret. They will intervene to ensure the Market does not get crazy again. They will cool the market down to prevent another depression.

There is no such an unwritten rule and secret intervention in the Forex Market. The unknowing Nations stupidly use their reserves to pop up their exchange rates. It is up to the crocodiles to decide when to devour them.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 07, 2017, 03:29:44 AM
Fishing while enjoying the Forex Game.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 07, 2017, 08:46:18 PM

There is an unwritten rule and a well kept secret.

In the 1920s, the USA public blindly believed that the stock market would only go up. They poured in their savings and many borrowed to jump onto the stock market. What goes up must come down. The great depression followed.

Now, the USA big banks and government have this unwritten rule and secret. They will intervene to ensure the Market does not get crazy again. They will cool the market down to prevent another depression.

There is no such an unwritten rule and secret intervention in the Forex Market. The unknowing Nations stupidly use their reserves to pop up their exchange rates. It is up to the crocodiles to decide when to devour them.


This actually leads to the role of Hedging. The known drawback of the Market is the occasional swing to the extremes. When the majority believes that the Stock Market will keep going up, they will buy and force the Market to go up further. The earnings of Companies will not justify the valuation.


The role of Governments and its directed Hedge Funds need to intervene to cool down the Market. The concept of hedging is to establish positions on both sides of the Market. This means the Hedge Fund establishes both Long and Short positions. The result is neutral. Some people may think that this is stupid. There is no gain nor loss no matter what happens.


When the Market goes too wild going up, the Hedge Funds can play in the opposite direction to cool down the Market. Since it has bets on both sides, there is no loss. If it succeeds (with the blessing of the government), the Market cools down. The holdings on the other side will increase in value and the Fund reaps good profits.


The role of these "Government Directed Hedge Funds" is the secret in providing Market Stability. China is still new in this "investment" game. Some Officials do not understand the importance of such hedging and the important role of such hedge funds. When will China ever learn?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 07, 2017, 09:09:03 PM

 Question 22: Do you think that Governments must have a role in the “financial markets”? Will the simple law of supply and demand be sufficient as the controlling mechanism?
 
Past experiences tell us that the “free market” will sometimes swing to extremes. For example, the Hong Kong Housing Market is going crazy. Property Developers bid up the land prices to unsustainable new heights. There is no supply of new lands to cool down the Market. Housing is no longer for living but has become a vehicle for speculation.

The crocodiles know this too well. They can devour the unknowing Public and even Nations.

Responsible Governments must have the “shark prevention” nets and the trained officials to regulate, monitor and intervene if and when necessary. They should have “friendly” hedge funds...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 08, 2017, 02:19:42 AM


The Chinese Foreign Currency Reserve rose to above 3 trillion. What does it means? Has China seen the posts from here? Are they Forex trading via a Chinese Forex Exchange? Will they be able to stop the drain on the Reserve?

The attached picture is the tradition Chinese New Year custom - post some encouraging words at the door.

The Rooster crows; The World hears.
The Good News will be heard for Ten Thousand Generations.

Does that mean the two camps will not fight the economic wars? Will they compete to get poorer Nations rich?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 08, 2017, 01:06:22 PM

 The attached USD/CNH one minute chart clearly showed the battle between two sides.  One wants the rate up. The other wants the rate down. The difference between two values easily exceed 30 PIPs.

Is China still playing in the London Forex Exchange – battling against the crocodiles?
When will China ever learn?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 09, 2017, 03:43:29 PM

Question 22: Do you think that Governments must have a role in the “financial markets”? Will the simple law of supply and demand be sufficient as the controlling mechanism?
 
Past experiences tell us that the “free market” will sometimes swing to extremes. For example, the Hong Kong Housing Market is going crazy. Property Developers bid up the land prices to unsustainable new heights. There is no supply of new lands to cool down the Market. Housing is no longer for living but has become a vehicle for speculation.

The crocodiles know this too well. They can devour the unknowing Public and even Nations.

Responsible Governments must have the “shark prevention” nets and the trained officials to regulate, monitor and intervene if and when necessary. They should have “friendly” hedge funds...


I was surprised to read a Hong Kong Newspaper article claiming that the high bidding price for land in Hong Kong was nothing to worry about. Hong Kong Government benefits from the land sales. Hong Kong Government can build more low cost housing for the low income.


Property speculation helped many to become rich. The average home owner in Hong Kong can easily sell his home and buy a much larger piece of property in USA, Europe, Canada, Australia and China. He does not need to live in Hong Kong.


Is he right???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 09, 2017, 03:59:24 PM


I was surprised to read a Hong Kong Newspaper article claiming that the high bidding price for land in Hong Kong was nothing to worry about. Hong Kong Government benefits from the land sales. Hong Kong Government can build more low cost housing for the low income.

Property speculation helped many to become rich. The average home owner in Hong Kong can easily sell his home and buy a much larger piece of property in USA, Europe, Canada, Australia and China. He does not need to live in Hong Kong.

Is he right???

If the two camps (USA, China+Russia) compete to help poorer Nations rich, having Hong Kong Citizens move to such Nations to help in the development may be a good suggestion. Hong Kong Citizens have developed the entrepreneur spirit. They have built a prosperous Hong Kong. They helped to create the China Miracle.

The educational level is amongst the best in the World - better than most developed Nations. I am sure that the elites in Hong Kong can spot the many opportunities in the poorer Nations. In fact, most wealthy families plan to have their children settle elsewhere and not just stay in Hong Kong. With the one-belt-one-road initiative from China, achieving win-win will not be an obstacle.


Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 09, 2017, 04:23:58 PM

Question 23: Do you think that the 5 trillion a day Forex Market is just a game? If China trades through its own Forex Exchange and posts the results in the Forex Computer Systems, it can theoretically achieve any exchange rate? All other Nations can do the same? Individuals can still trade and participate in the 5 trillion a day trading. Is it meaningful?
 
I have been discussing this with many others. It is like gambling in the casi*o owned by the family. Losing or winning makes no effective difference. The result of the trading is posted as the “official exchange rate”! It clearly is a game.


*** I have to admit that I enjoy the game - even with fake or demo money. It is intellectually challenging. It get me to read much more about the "international happenings" including unemployment figures, trade balances, news events and articles by journalists. It is more addictive than almost any computer game. I can start conversation with almost any stranger with the opener - I think I have a sure-win strategy based on the crocodile attack on the RMB.
 
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 09, 2017, 11:31:34 PM

 Question 24: This Question was from a fellow Senior Citizen living in the same retirement complex. He said: “I do not know anything about Forex but I have common sense. What you are claiming is that if China “Forex Trades” through its own Forex Exchanges, the results will be honored as proper transactions in the International Forex System. Thus China can effectively be the dominant market force and establish any exchange rate it desires. This is against common sense. If it were true, why did China not do it before? Why would China drain a trillion USD of its Reserve?”

Tseung: “China is going through the learning process in the financial markets. China first plays by the rules set up by the West. China then examines these rules and finds their drawbacks. The Forex Exchange Market caused China 1 trillion. But the same rules caused USSR to disintegrate. The same rules evaporated the Asian Miracle in 1997. China now understands. If it still plays in the old way – in the foreign forex exchanges and drains its Reserves – the Communist Government will be the laughing stock by the West and by its own citizens.”

Hong Kong financial elites can save China. (Even if the West managed to lock up two of its top financial brains in jail!)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 10, 2017, 05:27:21 AM
Question 25: What do you think of Binary Options?

It is a scam.

U.S. FBI investigation


In February 2017, the Times of Israel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times_of_Israel) reported that the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation) is conducting an active international investigation of binary option fraud. It quoted an FBI supervisory special agent as saying, “Our agents are going to look under every rock and stone....We are not limited to the USA.” Victims from anywhere in the world were asked to contact an FBI field office or the FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Crime_Complaint_Center). The investigation is not limited to the binary options brokers, but is comprehensive and might include, for example, the industry's backend, providers of services that allow the industry to operate. Credit card (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card) issuers will be informed of the fraudulent nature of much of the industry, which could possibly allow victims to receive a chargeback (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chargeback), or refund, of fraudulently obtained money.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_option#cite_note-FBI-4)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 10, 2017, 10:22:27 AM

Question 25: What do you think of Binary Options?

It is a scam.

U.S. FBI investigation


In February 2017, the Times of Israel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times_of_Israel) reported that the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation) is conducting an active international investigation of binary option fraud. It quoted an FBI supervisory special agent as saying, “Our agents are going to look under every rock and stone....We are not limited to the USA.” Victims from anywhere in the world were asked to contact an FBI field office or the FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Crime_Complaint_Center). The investigation is not limited to the binary options brokers, but is comprehensive and might include, for example, the industry's backend, providers of services that allow the industry to operate. Credit card (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card) issuers will be informed of the fraudulent nature of much of the industry an, which could possibly allow victims to receive a chargeback (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chargeback), or refund, of fraudulently obtained money.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_option#cite_note-FBI-4)

"Tseung, if Binary Option is a scam and Forex is a game, what is real?"

In the world of paper money, the money is backed up by the authority of the Government. Citizens believe in it and accept it as media of exchange. It is more convenient than carrying gold or silver. But the era of paperless money is coming. China is much more advanced than Hong Kong. Almost all payment and money transfers can be via the smart phone. There is no need to carry paper money. It is safer and people are having more confidence in using it. It is better than credit cards.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 10, 2017, 08:58:54 PM


"Tseung, if Binary Option is a scam and Forex is a game, what is real?"

In the world of paper money, the money is backed up by the authority of the Government. Citizens believe in it and accept it as media of exchange. It is more convenient than carrying gold or silver. But the era of paperless money is coming. China is much more advanced than Hong Kong. Almost all payment and money transfers can be via the smart phone. There is no need to carry paper money. It is safer and people are having more confidence in using it. It is better than credit cards.

The smart phone transactions are better because the transaction can always be traced. If everyone has a smart phone (which is likely in China soon as Government is backing it up), the retail shops know that they can be paid. The customers know that the retail shops will have to be responsible for the quality of the products. All can be traced.

The role of a government will change. Citizens will demand that the Government must ensure honest and fair play in almost all aspects related to their well being. Food security and safety; building safety; transport comfort and safety; education quality; travelling expectations; health care; retirement benefits; disaster relief, etc will fall on Government shoulders.

Defense is no longer restricted to physical wars. It will extend to cyber attacks; currency wars; draining the Foreign Currency Reserve, attacks by hedge funds or crocodiles etc. Many Government Officials today are not trained in such matters. Will China learn faster?

Will the competition change to - helping poorer nations develop?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 10, 2017, 09:47:13 PM

Question 23: Do you think that the 5 trillion a day Forex Market is just a game? If China trades through its own Forex Exchange and posts the results in the Forex Computer Systems, it can theoretically achieve any exchange rate? All other Nations can do the same? Individuals can still trade and participate in the 5 trillion a day trading. Is it meaningful?
 
I have been discussing this with many others. It is like gambling in the casi*o owned by the family. Losing or winning makes no effective difference. The result of the trading is posted as the “official exchange rate”! It clearly is a game.


*** I have to admit that I enjoy the game - even with fake or demo money. It is intellectually challenging. It get me to read much more about the "international happenings" including unemployment figures, trade balances, news events and articles by journalists. It is more addictive than almost any computer game. I can start conversation with almost any stranger with the opener - I think I have a sure-win strategy based on the crocodile attack on the RMB.


"Tseung, do you know the effect of your posts on the 5 trillion USD a day industry?"

"You suggested that China and every other Government should have its own Foreign Exchange and become the market maker or dominant market player in their own currency. The London and New York Forex Exchanges will lose their major customers. The Hedge Funds can no long manipulate to devalue the currency of any Nation. The West cannot use Forex as an economic war weapon any more. You have upset many powerful forces. They have locked up the two top financial brains in Hong Kong. Your fate is likely to be worst."

Tseung: "I am old and retired. (so are the two locked up former officials) I advocate the better game of two camps competing to develop poorer nations. Many of the poorer nations suffer from lack of education and knowledge. Some still do not understand contraception and the need to control the birth rate. Some persons object on religious grounds. Some are just ignorant. I believe my posts will help many leaders see the light. I do not worry about how the powerful might do.  They killed the Red Indians at one time. They exported opium at one time. They made many Africans slaves at one time. They can prolong the sufferings of the poorer nations. They can ask the lowest bidder to supply goods (essentially cutting each others' throats) and they pay with thin-air money."

Tseung: "China was able to use the opportunity to learn. China used its low-paid labor force to produce goods for export but learned the production technology, the management techniques and the marketing skills. China polluted its environment but it could clean it up again with the new found knowledge and confidence.  Poorer Nations should learn from that experience."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 11, 2017, 09:54:40 AM

 
Question 23: Do you think that the 5 trillion a day Forex Market is just a game? If China trades through its own Forex Exchange and posts the results in the Forex Computer Systems, it can theoretically achieve any exchange rate? All other Nations can do the same? Individuals can still trade and participate in the 5 trillion a day trading. Is it meaningful?
 
 I have been discussing this with many others. It is like gambling in the casi*o owned by the family. Losing or winning makes no effective difference. The result of the trading is posted as the “official exchange rate”! It clearly is a game.
 
 

A banker friend: “China will have to move from a material economy to a financial economy. The financial economy relies on numbers or derivatives. China has seen its property market increased in value but ghost towns and vacant units are everywhere.”

Tseung: “China can still invest in infrastructures – not just in China but aboard. China can invest heavily in social services for the elderly – seniors typically do not want to spend, someone has to spend on their behalf. China can invest heavily in village hotels – pay the seniors (and supporting agencies) to enjoy life in these hotels.”

Banker: “Sooner or later, China will have to move to financial services. China can regulate its Forex Industry; ensure that it will not have its Reserve drained; be the dominant market maker of RMB transactions etc. Do not try to kill the 5 trillion USD a day industry. Expand it so that the middle income Citizens have a place to invest their spare cash.”

Tseung: “I still believe getting them to invest to benefit the poorer Nations is much better than investing in games.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 11, 2017, 08:51:13 PM

3.1  The meeting at the Department of Commerce and mention of World War 4.
 
There was a departure from innovative scientific ideas.  It started when Tseung was invited to attend a USA Department of Commerce seminar in 1986.  The opening statement was – “We are in World 4 now and the USA is losing.  We need your help”.  The participants were all shocked.  They all stared at each other.  Tseung wondered whether he had fallen asleep in his history lessons at school.  World War 3 has not been fought yet.  How can there be World War 4?
 
The presenter continued.  “World War 3 was the cold war.  The winner was the USA.  The USSR collapsed and broke up.  Russia is no longer a leading World Power.  World War 4 is the Economic War.  The battlefields were not the trenches but the boardrooms.  The USA is losing because the developing countries can produce quality products at a fraction of the cost that they can be made in the USA.  Japanese cars, televisions and electrical appliances dominate the World Markets.  Garments and toys from Hong Kong are everywhere.  Many Countries have protective policies”.
 
The participants were stimulated.  Many proposals were tabled.  The three that sank into the mind of Tseung were:
1.  USA would give up some traditional industries such as garments.  However, before giving up, it would invest and spread the technology to many developing countries.  Let these countries compete for orders.  These Countries will cut their own throats in lowering the prices.  USA would be seen as the good guy providing knowledge and orders.

2.  Heavily protect the high-profit intellectual property products.  The example quoted was software.  While the cost of packaging a CD and some manuals is only a few US dollars, but that same product can be sold for hundreds or even thousands of dollars.

3. Promote the globalization concept.  Persuade the Countries to drop their protective policies especially in the financial sector.  Tell them that the USA will open up its markets.  You should do the same.  Do not mention the fact that in the financial world, the big fish can easily swallow the small fish.
 
This was at least ten years before the Asian Financial Crisis.  The three above strategies, while seemingly simple, had important consequences.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 12, 2017, 05:19:50 PM

Now that China have won the Forex battle, what next?


Will China team up with Russia to compete with USA to help the poorer nations?

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Zephir on March 13, 2017, 01:24:31 AM
Currently China massively invests in the Africa already- but I seriously doubt, it's because it wants to help the poor nations there. It's just another form of neocolonialism, because China needs the strategical raw sources for its further development. And how the Russia is helping the Georgia, Abkhazia, Chechnya or Ukraine we can already see - it's less or more opened annexation under intention to restore the power of former Soviet Union. The cooperation of Russia with China is indeed possible, because the Russia has also the raw sources, which just China needs - but such a politics would be very short-seeing and dangerous (http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/01/china-vs-russia-us-nuclear-weapons) for Russia, because its economy could be swallowed with China easily. The Russia may remember soon (http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-strange-story-russia-chinas-cold-war-nuclear-weapons-18518), how that they asked USA to nuke China (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7720461/USSR-planned-nuclear-attack-on-China-in-1969.html) - and how USA refused to do it.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 13, 2017, 05:22:59 PM
 
Currently China massively invests in the Africa already- but I seriously doubt, it's because it wants to help the poor nations there. It's just another form of neocolonialism, because China needs the strategical raw sources for its further development. And how the Russia is helping the Georgia, Abkhazia, Chechnya or Ukraine we can already see - it's less or more opened annexation under intention to restore the power of former Soviet Union. The cooperation of Russia with China is indeed possible, because the Russia has also the raw sources, which just China needs - but such a politics would be very short-seeing and dangerous (http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/01/china-vs-russia-us-nuclear-weapons) for Russia, because its economy could be swallowed with China easily. The Russia may remember soon (http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-strange-story-russia-chinas-cold-war-nuclear-weapons-18518), how that they asked USA to nuke China (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7720461/USSR-planned-nuclear-attack-on-China-in-1969.html) - and how USA refused to do it.
 

It is not a matter of good heart helping poorer Nations. It is the philosophy that if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help other Nations become rich. This is very different from the Colonial West. Their philosophy is – we become rich by conquest and taking over other’s land and resources. We have to remain militarily superior and keep other Nations ignorant and poor so that they cannot rob us back.

But the real  power of the West came from scientific knowledge. Such knowledge can be learned. USA and allies thought that they also had an invincible economic weapon – big fish eat small fish. They could attack the currency of any Nation and vaporize their hard work and achievements. They succeeded in disintegrating USSR. They succeeded in evaporating the Asian Miracle in 1997. They managed to drain 1 trillion USD from China’s Foreign Currency Reserve.

This powerful weapon can now be rendered useless. China can use its own Forex Exchange to trade and establish the Currency Exchange Rate. The Market Force is no longer the big fish (or crocodiles or sharks). For the RMB, it is the almighty dragon.

The West had over capacity long ago. They chose to cut back rather than helping other Nations rich. The West could have helped African Nations to build infrastructures long ago – they had the dam, road building, power-grid building technology. They prefer to watch the African Nations remain ignorant and gave dead-aid.

Nuclear weapon technology is no longer a secret. North Korea demonstrated it clearly. One school of thought from USA is to wipe them out now. Invading with ground troops is already too late. The other school of thought is to get the North Korean Citizens rich. They do not need to use the nuclear weapons to feel secure and prosperous. The correct Globalization approach – making all Human Beings rich – will bear fruit.
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: Zephir on March 13, 2017, 11:10:26 PM
IMO you're idealizing China too much. Every sufficiently powerful country will start to behave like the geopolitical power in similar way, like every sufficiently large company will use monopolist practices soon or later. It's visible on China's attitude over Senkaku islands for example: why it couldn't embrace them, if it can and some oil is there? So it grasps the opportunity.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 13, 2017, 11:12:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM0jQ8QN-rw&t=4s


The talk discussed the devaluation of the USSR ruble. Should we say - the collapse of the currency?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 14, 2017, 09:27:50 AM


IMO you're idealizing China too much. Every sufficiently powerful country will start to behave like the geopolitical power in similar way, like every sufficiently large company will use monopolist practices soon or later. It's visible on China's attitude over Senkaku islands for example: why it couldn't embrace them, if it can and some oil is there? So it grasps the opportunity.


They were using my book written in Chinese in 2003. The title was - How to Win the Economic War. That book needs to be updated.


The English extract (Innovation.doc) was posted in 2010 at:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.0)


Inside both was the important article on Blueprint for the Economic Development  of China.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 15, 2017, 12:45:29 AM

 Imagined Discussions at PBOC

PBOC is People’s Bank of China. It is the equivalent of the Central Bank where major financial decisions are made.

Economist A: “You have all received the article on China trading Forex through its own Forex Exchange and save trillions of Foreign Currency Reserve. We would like to have your views.”

Economist B: “I cannot believe it. We have been spending billions of our Reserve daily to pop up the RMB Exchange Rate. This proposal suggests that we do not need to spend a dollar of our Reserve and we can control the RMB Exchange Rate. It is too good to be true.”

Economist C: “What does our section head say?”

Economist A: “We are here to discuss the merits and drawbacks of the article. We are supposed to give our most professional opinion. We should not be influenced by the opinion of our superiors.”

Economist D: “I have been thinking about the article. It compares the situation as gambling in casi*os. Playing in the Forex Exchanges of London and New York is like gambling in a Foreign Casi*o. They get to profit whether we win or lose. When we are the only major player popping up RMB, we are bound to lose. Playing in our own Casi*o and have the results accepted in the International Forex Computer Systems is simply brilliant.”

Economist B: “Will the trading results be accepted as Official?”

Economist C: “At present, we trade through many Forex Exchanges including London, New York, Hong Kong and Singapore. What will be the difference if we trade through an Forex Exchange in Shanghai or Shenzhen?”

Economist A: “I propose to set up a special team to look into the matter. Anyone second?”

All raised their hands.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 15, 2017, 06:56:19 AM

 An Imagined Meeting in Moscow

Economist A: “In front of you is an article suggesting that China trades RMB Forex in a Chinese Controlled Forex Exchange. What are your views?”

Economist B: “If we thought of it in the 1990s, USSR would not have disintegrated. The Ruble would never have depreciated to 1USD to 1,700. The Economy would not have collapsed.”

Economist C: “We all learn from hindsight. China learned after losing 1 trillion USD. We never had that amount of Reserve.”

Economist A: “Should we also trade Forex through our own Forex Exchange?”

All raised their hands.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 15, 2017, 07:13:01 AM

 An Imagined Meeting in London

Economist A: “In front of you is an article suggesting that China trades RMB Forex in a Chinese Controlled Forex Exchange. What are your views?”

Economist B: “We would lose hundreds of Billions in profits. China was handing a good portion of their 1 trillion USD to us in the last eighteen months.”

Economist C: “Think of something quick. Say that the Chinese Trading will not be recognized or something.”

Economist A: “Let us consult the Americans. They have hedge fund managers such as George Soros who are cunning and command huge resources.”

Economist B: “I never believed PBOC have brilliant Economists. I helped to train many of them. They were like sheep – just copying and reciting what I fed.”

Economist C: “At the back of their minds, the Chinese never really trusts us. We imprisoned two of their top financial brains.”

Economist A: “We underestimated the Chinese. They have more than two financial brains. Who wants to go to Washington to meet our USA allies?”

All raised their hands.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 15, 2017, 01:52:54 PM

 An imagined meeting in Washington

Economist A: “We have visitors from U.K. They brought the news that China would trade through their own Forex Exchanges. Our Hedge Funds could no longer drain their Foreign Currency Reserve.”

Economist B: “Does that mean China can freely determine their RMB exchange rate? What happens to our preaching of Market Forces?”

Economist C: “The Chinese finally understood that in free market, the big fish eats the small fish. Trading in our Forex Exchanges is sending small fishes to be devoured. I know that sooner or later, it would dawn on them.”

Economist B: “They are not that bright. We already drained 1 trillion USD of their Reserve.”

Economist A: “If they embark on their one-belt, one-road initiative and use their spare production capacity well, their GDP will continue to grow. They may really surpass us. We no long have the currency atomic weapon against them. They are not like the USSR nor the Asian Tigers.”

Economist C: “Start wars in their region. Get South Korea to fight North Korea. Get Japan to go to war with China. Raise the South China Sea Dispute issues. Get Vietnam or Indonesia to attack China. Get Taiwan to declare independence. China will use force. We can then justify nuclear wiping out China.”

Economist D: “What would Russia do? They have the potential to wipe us out as well.”

Economist B: “President Trump is friendly with Russia. We should have let him keep his soviet-sympathy advisors.”

Economist E: “Starting Nuclear War is no good to anybody. China have been acting as our willing slaves. We place orders and they work feverishly to fulfill them. All we need to do is print more thin-air dollars. Why can’t we continue the same path?”

Economist A: “The Chinese are very cunning. They learned the production techniques, the management and marketing. Now they even learned the financial war weapons. They focused on technology, technology and technology. They copied and improved. We thought that they were stupid to cut-throat to get our orders; accepted our thin-air dollars; and played according to our rules. We stupidly let our manufacturers out-source to take advantage of the low labor cost. They leaked the technology including the i-phones.”

Economist B: “Let us think of another Economic War Weapon. We are still the big fish (crocodiles or sharks). We still have military superiority. We can get Hong Kong to imprison their top financial brains. We can get the Hong Kong Newspapers and their Legislators to disrupt their progress. We can use our propaganda machines and our Internet hackers to develop another Economic War Weapon.”

Economist C: “We must prevent the Chinese Students from attending our top Universities and learning our secrets. Building a wall to prevent Mexicans from coming is not as important as preventing the Chinese from learning our technology and our strategic secrets. Anyone agree?”

All raised their hands.
 
 



   
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 16, 2017, 12:50:51 AM

 An imagined meeting in Singapore

Economist A: “It looks like China is going to Forex Trade via their own Forex Exchange. How would that affect us?”

Economist B: “We have been doing that years ago. Our Government does not worry about the crocodiles or sharks. When we trade via our own Forex Exchange, we can effectively control the USD/SGD rates. We deliberately allow Market Forces to give it some volatility. Thus the USD/SGD pair is one of most traded.”

Economist C: “China trades via us at some time in the day as we are in almost the same time zone. Losing that business will not have a major impact.”

Economist D: “If China allows and regulates Forex Trading within China, the Daily Forex Trading Volume is likely to increase to beyond 7 Trillion. That will help the entire Forex Industry.”

Economist A: “China is likely to invite some of us to Beijing to discuss this issue. They want to learn from our experience. Who would like to go?”

All Raised their hands.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 16, 2017, 01:14:03 AM

 An imagined meeting in Hong Kong

Economist A: “It looks like China is going to Forex Trade via their own Forex Exchange. How would that affect us?”

Economist B: “Hong Kong is an Open Economy. The Philosophy taught by the British was that the Government should not mess around with businesses. Hong Kong Government will never trade Forex. ”

Economist C: “Hong Kong Government intervened heavily in the stock and currency markets in 1998.”

Economist B: “That was a special case. Even George Soros admitted that was a right move. Otherwise, Hong Kong would have suffered heavily similar to the other Asian Countries.”

Economist D: “We put the two guys most responsible in fighting the crocodiles behind bars. Some commented that it was a plot by the West. Chinese history had many cases to show that Emperors were tricked to persecute their most competent Officials.”

Economist E: “The judiciary system in Hong Kong is dominated by British Judges. Some newspapers are known to be funded and thus influenced by the West. I am not surprised as the British are notorious for their cunningness.”

Economist A: “Who will stand up for the two jailed Officials?”

Nobody raised their hands.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 17, 2017, 12:09:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIqSyVAg6Vc&t=2304s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIqSyVAg6Vc&t=2304s)

One-belt, one-road is the new globalization from China. It is not the Western Way of building ones happiness on the suffering of others. It is respect for each other. Let every Nation examine the various ways and chose the best way for them.

Every Nation must examine the present rules. Every Nation should listen to the "wisdom" from other Nations. The Internet is a good place to get information but the information must be carefully analyzed.

China's philosophy is "to cross the river by feeling the stones". China now have the confidence that it is on the right path.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 20, 2017, 08:34:46 AM

Future of Hong Kong

The recent land auctions in Hong Kong elevated Hong Kong to the most expensive place in the World in terms of property (dollar per square foot). The chance of an average wage earner hoping to save enough to own his home is getting less and less. What does that mean for the future of Hong Kong?

Senior A: “It is not my problem. I am retired and live in relative comfort at Tanner Hill. I plan to die in this comfortable estate. Let my children and grandchildren take care of themselves. I have given them the best education.”

Senior B: “Your children are all living aboard. That is why you are lonely at Tanner Hill. They only come to visit you once a year. Mine are the same.”

Senior C: “Most upper income earners like us do not worry about the economy of Hong Kong. I rented out my own apartment. The rent easily cover the rent at Tanner Hill and my daily expenses. I still have income from stocks, bonds and rental property. My lawyer and management agents take care of all necessary fees, taxes and maintenance. My children are in the financial services. They all have foreign passports and properties aboard. Hong Kong is still the best place to make money for the highly educated and connected.”

Senior A: “Will that last until our passing away? According to statistics, I still have 15 more years.”

Tseung: “We can spend our time speculating what might happen to Hong Kong. Anyone care to fire the first shot?”

Senior C: “Hong Kong should focus on financial services. Hong Kong can raise more money than New York or London as the Chinese Economy further expands. The fees in bring a Company onto the Stock Market is in Billions of Hong Kong Dollars.”

Senior B: “Hong Kong is a legitimate tax heaven. It is one of the money laundry Cities – not just Chinese money but worldwide. Such transactions are not in Official Records but the number must be in trillions of Hong Kong Dollars per year.”

Tseung: “If Hong Kong takes on the Forex trading to help China, the daily forex transaction volume will increase tremendously. Macau is the gambling center of the World. Hong Kong can be the Forex Casi*o center of the World.”

Senior A: “Let us continue with our game of Bridge.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 20, 2017, 05:45:22 PM

Competing to get poor Nations Developed.

How to overcome the "cut throat" strategy thought out by the West?

In reply 935
***
1.  USA would give up some traditional industries such as garments.  However, before giving up, it would invest and spread the technology to many developing countries.  Let these countries compete for orders.  These Countries will cut their own throats in lowering the prices.  USA would be seen as the good guy providing knowledge and orders.
***

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 20, 2017, 06:08:18 PM

Extracted from Innovate.doc at:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2100.0

Blueprint for the Economic Development of China in the 21st Century

Introduction

The goal of this article is to provide a concrete plan for Chinese economic engineers to guide the country into the 21st century.  In this vein, we are approaching the topic from the point of view of an economic architect, and will first discuss broad concepts and visions and then outline the necessary steps for implementation.


The broad concepts are somewhat controversial.  They include:
 
1.  We must replace Win-Lose solutions with Win-Win solutions. (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l)  China cannot possibly following the doctrine of "Survival of the Fittest" which worked for the West.  China must learn from the Asian Financial Crisis (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l) and drop the Win-Lose financial solutions of options, derivative and currency futures.  Otherwise years of hard work and sacrifice could be wiped out within weeks.


2. Money is only a number in some Trusted Financial Institutions. (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l)  It can change from positive to negative valuation without any wrongdoing by the individual. We must view Modern Wealth as the Quality and Quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities. 


3. A Country such as China must increase its own money supply (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l).  It cannot just earn it.   An individual or a small city-state such as Singapore or Hong  Kong can accumulate its wealth by the simple process of earning more and spending less.  A big country such as China cannot do that. A very modest goal of 50,000 yuan (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l) in savings per person translates to 50 trillion yuan or US $6 trillion.  Raising such money by simply exporting more than China imports would create an inconceivably huge trade imbalance.   
 

The implementation steps are very powerful and they can be carried out simultaneously.  If they are carried out properly, then China will become the wealthiest country in the world..... 


***
We can help to develop a similar blueprint for almost any Nation.
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 20, 2017, 06:38:38 PM


Competing to get poor Nations Developed.

How to overcome the "cut throat" strategy thought out by the West?

In reply 935
***
1.  USA would give up some traditional industries such as garments.  However, before giving up, it would invest and spread the technology to many developing countries.  Let these countries compete for orders.  These Countries will cut their own throats in lowering the prices.  USA would be seen as the good guy providing knowledge and orders.
***


China must expand the relationship selling technique into a science. (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l)   In relationship selling, Chinese merchants would not always seek to buy low and sell high.  If a product from another part of China is not the best in the world, an effort will always be made to turn it into the best.  The merchants are encouraged to use the best entrepreneur support system in the world (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l) in this process.  No worthwhile projects or improvements will ever suffer due to a lack of capital, information or talent.



China must use Mutual Credit or Trade Balance Agreements with other cities or countries. (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l)  This powerful mechanism will enable China and other Asian countries to "spend their way out" of the present recession.(Asian financial crisis in 1997)  At the same time, it will prevent currency speculator attacks. This mechanism can be applied between cities within China.  It can also be applied between China and other countries including Japan and US. A US $2 billion Mutual Credit Agreement between Hong Kong and Shanghai can generate 100,000 jobs for Hong Kong and over 600,000 jobs for Shanghai.
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 21, 2017, 04:40:58 AM

the best entrepreneur support system in the world (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l).  No worthwhile projects or improvements will ever suffer due to a lack of capital, information or talent.


The best entrepreneur support system includes:


1. Public Investors - any citizen can apply and go through a competition process. The winners will be given a certain sum to invest on behalf of the Nation. If they are successful, they can repay the sum and keep the profits. If they lose, the experience will be documented for all to learn.


2. Professional Supporters - Lawyers, Accountants, engineers, other successful entrepreneurs can help and get "founder shares".


3. Government backing - a certain amount of thin-air money is allocated to "entrepreneur projects". Government owns a portion of the founder shares.  Some will be awarded to the overseeing or supporting officials.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 21, 2017, 02:09:23 PM

Can an old man contribute?


Solving the Forex Problem stopped the drain on the Foreign Currency Reserve. That prevented a further drain (already drained 1 trillion USD). Is that a significant contribution?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 21, 2017, 07:26:46 PM

 

 China must expand the relationship selling technique into a science. (http://overunity.com/file:/C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l)   In relationship selling, Chinese merchants would not always seek to buy low and sell high.  If a product from another part of China is not the best in the world, an effort will always be made to turn it into the best.  The merchants are encouraged to use the best entrepreneur support system in the world (http://overunity.com/file:/C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l) in this process.  No worthwhile projects or improvements will ever suffer due to a lack of capital, information or talent.
 
 

Let us try to understand this relationship selling technique more. It is a way to combat the “cut throat” war game introduced by the West. The cut throat strategyh is to get many producers to compete so that the price will be kept low. Since the profit margin is kept low, many producers will try to keep costs  down – even to the point of immoral practices. An example is the Brazil Meat Industry.

In relationship selling, two entities will enter into trade agreements. The goal is to stimulate the economy of both entities to achieve win-win. For example, Ethiopia would like to have food security but it does not have the modern agricultural setup yet. China has the agricultural machinery and knowhow but no land. A win-win solution may be for China to set up model farms in special economic zones of Ethiopia. The produce from the model farms can be exported to China at a price above the World Market Price.

Ethiopia allows Chinese Citizens to invest in property, hotels, tourist attraction spots etc. in the special economic zones. (The long term Infrastructure projects will be in the rim of the Chinese Government.) Ethiopia acquires and learns the modern agricultural techniques and achieves food security quickly. China has a place to show off its technical and investment capability. China will also have additional food security.

Since price is not the main issue, the agricultural products will then focus on quality. One goal is make the products the best in the World (including the Chinese investments in properties etc.) It will be a win-win. The mutual respect and friendship between China and Ethiopia will increase. Other Nations will be inspired and the World will be a safer place. Win-Win.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 21, 2017, 07:52:10 PM



China must expand the relationship selling technique into a science. (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l)   In relationship selling, Chinese merchants would not always seek to buy low and sell high.  If a product from another part of China is not the best in the world, an effort will always be made to turn it into the best.  The merchants are encouraged to use the best entrepreneur support system in the world (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l) in this process.  No worthwhile projects or improvements will ever suffer due to a lack of capital, information or talent.



We can also treat relationship selling as going to restaurants. When basic food security is achieved, there is no need to compete on price. Different restaurants can have their special favors. Quality, comfort and atmosphere will enter into the equation. Citizens will see it as increase in the quality of life. The "cut throat" war weapon will lose its edge.


Will Citizens be willing to pay more. My experience in Hong Kong is YES. I normally go for HK$40 meals but occasionally, I go with friends to meals costing HK$500 and up. I enjoy the meal and company. There is no point in bringing the thin-air money to the grave!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed
Post by: ltseung888 on March 21, 2017, 08:09:33 PM

1.  We must replace Win-Lose solutions with Win-Win solutions. (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l)  China cannot possibly following the doctrine of "Survival of the Fittest" which worked for the West.  China must learn from the Asian Financial Crisis (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l) and drop the Win-Lose financial solutions of options, derivative and currency futures.  Otherwise years of hard work and sacrifice could be wiped out within weeks.

***
Now I understand the workings of options, derivative and Forex more, my views have changed. When Citizens have spare thin-air money, they look for avenues to invest. The numbers game is one option. (So long as the Government is in final control. Market Forces or Crocodiles cannot disrupt the economy. I learned that Government supported Hedge Funds are necessary to prevent market excesses. The 1929 Stock Market collapse and Depression did not occur again because of such Hedge Funds.)

I still believe in Infrastructure development even if there were no short-term returns. If the development is in a different Nation with all the political risks, I would still support it. Thin-air money and use of spare capacity to help other Nations rich is worthwhile.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 22, 2017, 12:35:27 AM


China must expand the relationship selling technique into a science. (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l)   In relationship selling, Chinese merchants would not always seek to buy low and sell high.  If a product from another part of China is not the best in the world, an effort will always be made to turn it into the best.  The merchants are encouraged to use the best entrepreneur support system in the world (http://overunity.com/file:///C:/Users/2008/Before%202006/Politics/Documents%20and%20SettingsWesley桌面%22%20l) in this process.  No worthwhile projects or improvements will ever suffer due to a lack of capital, information or talent.

 

One more thing about relationship selling.
 
Both sides will try to showcase the best for themselves and for other Nations. I still remember the days of the 286 PC. Many Westerners advised China to buy the outdated PC at a low price. I advocated to use the best technology whenever possible. I learned that from the textile industry in Hong Kong after the Second World War. Some owners bought the second-hand machines. Some bought the latest and best. The initial capital layout for the first group was much lower. But the machines kept breaking down. The productivity was much lower.

For example, in developing the special economic zone, the correct way is to think of the best futuristic city for the Nation. Money can be created from thin-air. It is technology, technology and technology. The planners should think about the best transport systems; the best shopping setup; the best homes; the best appliances; the best entertainment and sports facilities etc. Just imagine the special economic zone have struck oil and money is not a problem. Use the latest green energy concepts. Use the best house assembly techniques. Invite the best Universities to come up with the most innovative designs.

The modern Model Farm is not only a farm. It is the showcase of the coming future. Both parties will feel proud to have the opportunity to show what they can jointly do. Do not leave it to private enterprises and the profit motive. Learn the State Capitalism from Singapore. Learn the Chinese Infrastructure Building Speed. Learn the best from any part of the World. Win-win.
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 22, 2017, 09:03:00 PM
One encouraging comment to Seniors

"In the Chinese proverb - a clever man will have one bad idea amongst his one thousand good ones; a stupid man will have one good idea amongst his one thousand bad ones. It is a matter for the society to pick up the good ideas."

"The idea of China trading through its own Forex Exchange to be the Market Force to determine the RMB Exchange Rate is good. Will it be implemented?"

"Will it be dismissed as an idea from some stupid, old men who believed in UFOs and thus not worth considering?"
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 22, 2017, 09:38:29 PM

 An imagined meeting in Beijing on Relationship Selling and Mutual Credits

Economist A: “We are going to discuss Relationship Selling and Mutual Credits today. Both are related to trade agreements between two parties. In Relationship Selling, price is not the most important issue. The most important issue is to build relationships. The relationship should aim for producing high quality products with the best technology.”

Economist B: “We have to change our way of thinking. We have been educated to seek the cheapest product with the best quality. We do not care about who is the manufacturer. Now we have to add the element of knowing and helping the other party.”

Economist C: “We now have to treat a trading partner as a relative. When I buy or sell goods to a relative, price is not the main issue. Relationship is more important. If the other side is poorer, I do not mind paying more and advising him on how to improve the product. If the other side is richer, I shall focus on the additional meaningful economic activities that we can both generate.”

Economist D: “Does that have conflict with WTO?”

Economist A: “WTO is Multi-lateral Agreement amongst many parties. The issues are much more complex and agreements are much more difficult to reach than bilateral agreements.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 22, 2017, 09:56:58 PM

 Economist A: “If we add Mutual Credits to Relationship Selling, we have a very powerful combination. A richer Nation A has the currency of Nation B to use to spend on special projects in special economic zones. Nation A can showcase its development model on the soils of Nation B and give the investors in Nation A a chance to expand to Nation B. Nation B can immediately purchase goods and services from Nation A without incurring any debt. The meaningful economic activities will increase greatly for both Nations.”

Economist B: “It will take the Economists and Politicians from both Nations time to digest such a new concept. There will be attacks and distortion reportings from third party Nations. Some working examples need to be established first.”

Economist C: “China can quietly build such working examples with friendly Nations such as Pakistan or Ethiopia.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 23, 2017, 02:01:58 AM

A real Relationship Selling example.

I participated in a government subsidized birthday party for Seniors. It was held in a Hotel with an all you can eat buffet. I paid HK$270. The normal cost of the buffet was HK$275. I received standard birthday gift worth HK$250. There was also ruffle prizes. Everyone won something. Mine was drinks worth HK50. The lady sitting next to me got cookies worth HK100. The top prize was an apple iPhone worth over HK$7,000.

Normally, a Senior would not go to a buffet as he could not eat too much. But this was fun and enjoyable. The cost of HK$270 bought meal and gifts worth more than HK$570. We also enjoyed the Company and the atmosphere.

The Chinese Government is doing something similar. The seniors got to ride on public transport FREE. They received meals and gifts in the many festivals. Such contributed to the consumer economy. It was better than giving money to these seniors. (Most of them would save the money.)

Can China reach its goal of moving to a consumer based economy? With Government or Government supported organizations spending on the consumers' behalf, this should not be a problem. Advantage of State Capitalism?

Relationship selling - seniors happy; Hotel happy; gift shops happy; thin-air money bought happiness... Who cares about ROI (Return On Investment)? Who cares about one man one vote?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 23, 2017, 08:02:26 AM
Comment:

Government or Government supported agency spending on behalf of some groups of citizens.

In Hong Kong, housing is the most expensive in the World. However, some people are living in old, decaying apartments that are badly in need of repairs or demolishing. These are private housing where the owners wait for some developers to buy the building to redevelop. However, some owners want to wait for a higher price or wait for the Government to compensate them to move out.

In such situations, should Government "spend" on their behalf to improve their standard of living? Should Government move them into much better housing and pay them extra cash?

In China, some village hotels are being built with high standards of comfort. The goal is to show the villagers what is modern comfort. These hotels may be turned to homes for the villagers later. It is a case of Government spending on behalf of the Citizens. Increasing consumer spending is not a problem in State Capitalism. China will not be poor again with modern knowledge and technology - just do not have too many babies!
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 23, 2017, 08:34:14 AM

 China has a new slogan: Houses are for living and NOT for speculation.

In some cities, non-residents are not allowed to buy property. In some cities, citizens are not allowed to buy more than two pieces of property. These new policies aim to stop property speculation. However, some avenues must be developed for the increasingly wealthy citizens to invest.

This is a hot topic in China. One suggestion is to have investment funds targeted towards the short term projects within the one-belt-one-road initiative. Another suggestion is to allow Forex and other derivative trading. In both cases, Government is in effective control. Government will manage the bilateral or mutual credit arrangements. Government will set up or support the hedge funds to smooth out market fluctuations. Government will be regulating or even acts as casi*o owner in Forex and derivative trading.

It is a good problem. China, with its much larger and better educated population, will undoubtedly develop to be the largest economy in the World. With political stability and clear vision, the Chinese Citizens will master the financial concepts and tools in addition to technology, technology and technology.

Seniors can help when their brains are still functional. Retiring at 60 and still contributing…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 23, 2017, 10:28:35 PM

 Relationship Selling in actual operation
 
Brazil is undergoing a crisis of confidence in its meat industry. Most Nations will suspend or ban the import of Brazilian meat products until the matter is resolved. Most Nations will seek alternative supplies.
 
In relationship selling, China would take a different path. The goal is to build relationships and help each other to product the best products. China would approach Brazil and offer the best monitoring equipment, methods and team. The results may be published on the Internet. Price is not the main issue. Relationship is.
 
If the cause of matter is the need to be the lowest cost producer, use Mutual Credits to help. Raise the price to produce a decent profit. Improve the product so that it will become the best in the World. Do not lower the quality because of the need to cut costs. Do not over do it.
 
The Chinese Consumers may have to pay a higher price for Brazilian Meat but they can be assured of good quality. Thin-air money can be produced by both Governments. Both Governments can subsidize so that the price is still reasonable. China has to change win-lose rules to win-win rules. State Capitalism...


Overcome the "cut throat" economic war weapon introduced by USA. (I was one of the participants to discuss it in the 1980s.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 23, 2017, 10:50:38 PM

Relationship Selling in actual operation
 
Brazil is undergoing a crisis of confidence in its meat industry. Most Nations will suspend or ban the import of Brazilian meat products until the matter is resolved. Most Nations will seek alternative supplies.
 
In relationship selling, China would take a different path. The goal is to build relationships and help each other to product the best products. China would approach Brazil and offer the best monitoring equipment, methods and team. The results may be published on the Internet. Price is not the main issue. Relationship is.
 
If the cause of matter is the need to be the lowest cost producer, use Mutual Credits to help. Raise the price to produce a decent profit. Improve the product so that it will become the best in the World. Do not lower the quality because of the need to cut costs. Do not over do it.
 
The Chinese Consumers may have to pay a higher price for Brazilian Meat but they can be assured of good quality. Thin-air money can be produced by both Governments. Both Governments can subsidize so that the price is still reasonable. China has to change win-lose rules to win-win rules. State Capitalism...


Overcome the "cut throat" economic war weapon introduced by USA. (I was one of the participants to discuss it in the 1980s.)


Brilliant. With increasing wealth, the Chinese Consumers will demand more meat products. Helping Brazil is effectively helping China. Win-win.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 23, 2017, 10:59:09 PM


Brilliant. With increasing wealth, the Chinese Consumers will demand more meat products. Helping Brazil is effectively helping China. Win-win.


China can do something similar for oil with Saudi Arabia. Is Saudi Arabia trying to reduce its dependence on oil? Can Infrastructure building in Saudi Arabia or along the one-belt-one-road help?


China will have good relationships with almost every Nation. When the Economy becomes number one, the relationship with other Nations should also be number one. Win-win.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 25, 2017, 12:12:46 AM

An imagined Meeting in Beijing.


Economist A: "The Official policy for property is now - houses are for living and not for speculation. Where should the Chinese Citizens invest now?"


Economist B: "Short term projects that can raise the standard of living for poorer citizens of China and the rest of the World."
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 25, 2017, 12:20:02 AM
Hong Kong as of yesterday is an official member of the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB).

What does it mean for Hong Kong and the rest of the World?

Economist A: "We can divide the Investment in Developing Nations into two types. One is the long term infrastructure projects requiring billions. Examples are dams, airports, high speed rail, mass transit for cities, seaports, universities, hospitals etc. These projects are not likely to make profits in the short term or may never make a profit. Thus they are not “suitable for private enterprises. The other type is the short term infrastructure projects requiring millions and may show a good Return on Investment (ROI) in a couple of years. Examples are hotels in special economic zones, tourist resorts and attractions, expansion of restaurant chains, retail chains, Internet Commerce, etc.  Hong Kong can help to raise money on these short term projects.”

Economist B: “China is discouraging property speculation. It must find avenues for its increasingly wealthy citizens to invest. Short term projects within China and within the one-belt-one-road initiative are ideal. Many investment funds or Companies targeted at such projects can be set up. It is a win-win for the entire world.”

Economist C: “The long term Investment projects can be done via Bilateral Agreements. For example Indonesia is trying develop high speed rail systems from both China and Japan. It does not mind having two different systems. Money can come from AIIB or via Mutual Credits.”

Economist D: “Special Economic Zones or Cities along the high speed rails are likely to benefit from short term investments. Hong Kong can easily raise trillions of USD for such projects if properly managed.”

Economist B: “Other members of AIIB will also benefit as they can review the plans and participate in whatever way appropriate. It is a win-win for the World. AIIB can pool the many thin-air money from its member Nations to good use.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 25, 2017, 12:34:22 AM

Comment:


China does not worry about Hedge Fund attacks on its currency now. China can find a way to invest the thin-air money from its citizens and from citizens of various nations to benefit the World.


China is replacing the win-lose rules with win-win rules. What will that mean to IMF and World Bank?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 25, 2017, 12:39:25 AM

Comment:


The West managed to lock up the two top financial brains who fought the crocodiles in the Asian Financial Crisis. Has Hong Kong got any more brilliant financial brains? What will the West or Crocodiles do to them?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 25, 2017, 11:18:26 PM

Comment:

China does not worry about Hedge Fund attacks on its currency now. China can find a way to invest the thin-air money from its citizens and from citizens of various nations to benefit the World.

China is replacing the win-lose rules with win-win rules. What will that mean to IMF and World Bank?


Better understanding of Forex.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 29, 2017, 11:35:46 PM
Warnings of falling into 'middle-income trap' look increasingly ominous for China?

Economist A: "When the basic needs of food, shelter, education, entertainment are met, there will be a tendency to relax. Citizens lose their zeal to earn more money. That is the basic cause of the middle-income trap."

Economist B: "In China, there is still a large income gap between the rich and poor. Almost all the rich gained their wealth within the last 30 years. This gives incentive for the poor. Many feel that they can also do it. The zeal to become rich has not diminished."

Economist C: "It is the investment opportunity. Houses are for living and not for speculation. That avenue is being reduced. The Stock Market is in its infancy. There were large ups and downs. The Chinese Government now realized the importance of having Hedge Funds to smooth out large fluctuations."

Economist B: "There should be many Investment Funds targeting the short term projects in the one-belt-one-road initiative. China should build some success examples with State Funding and Direction first."

Economist C: "Develop in a few Special Economic Zones: Hotels, Shopping Centers, Restaurants from International Chains, Casinos for Tourists etc."

Economist A: "Use the Singapore model. Locals will have to pay an entrance fee. Gambling will be restricted to wealthy tourists or residents. If a developing Nation allows that, many investors will come. The Special Economic Zone will boom in no time."

Economist B: "If the remote monitoring capabilities are well developed, the Chinese Citizens will be eager to invest in such Funds. If making money is easy, the middle-income trap will be overcome - just like Singapore."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 29, 2017, 11:56:09 PM

Winning the Economic War


If the outcome of the Economic War is to get all Nations developed...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 30, 2017, 01:47:10 PM


Winning the Economic War

If the outcome of the Economic War is to get all Nations developed...

Last Slide on the Basic Philosophy Difference


The West:

1. Got Rich via technology and robbing the resources of others.
2. Keep them poor so that they cannot rob us back.


The East:

1. Suffered due to weak technology.
2. Learn, improve and accept low pay for now.
3. Trying to rob the West back is suicide in the Nuclear age.
4. Go on the path of win-win.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 30, 2017, 02:22:28 PM

Last Slide on the Basic Philosophy Difference


The West:

1. Got Rich via technology and robbing the resources of others.
2. Keep them poor so that they cannot rob us back.


The East:

1. Suffered due to weak technology.
2. Learn, improve and accept low pay for now.
3. Trying to rob the West back is suicide in the Nuclear age.
4. Go on the path of win-win.

Comment:

Tseung, that is not fair. USA helped Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia etc. to become wealthy by running a deficit. USA placed orders for the goods of these Nations. In a similar way, USA helped China.

In the rise of China, USA was the Nation buying many Chinese Products. USA helped in the Car Industry. At one time, Caterpillar was the main supplier of construction equipment.

The West also seek win-win. But it also wants security. In International politics, every Nation uses their best brains. Hong Kong is stupid to imprison its two top financial brains. It is the stupidity of the Hong Kong System and the ignorance of the Hong Kong Citizens. Any outsider can see that the Legal System is faulty but the Hong Kong Citizens are still brainwashed to think that the System is superior.

If the East remains stupid, don't blame anyone else. The top Western Universities trained many Easterners. They are exposed to the same professors and same academic environment. When will they ever learn?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 30, 2017, 03:12:53 PM

Comment:


In stupid democracy, the opposition party will try to drag down the economy and blame it on the Ruling Government. In this way, they have a chance to rise to power. They also try to imprison the former Presidents, Chief Executives etc. It is happening in Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea...


When will they go for Super Democracy? When will they ever learn?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 31, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
 Casual Conversation at Tanner Hill
 
Senior A: “The new Chief Executive of Hong Kong will be a woman. We have to respect women now. They are not just housewives taking care of babies.”
 
Senior B: “We have to respect anyone with a brain. Age and gender are no longer that important. President Trump is also a senior like us.”
 
Senior C: “Many Business tycoons in Hong Kong and elsewhere are still in charge of financial empires worth billions of Hong Kong Dollars.”
 
Tseung: “We can still contribute. We can point out that China does not need to waste trillions of USDs to maintain the RMB Exchange Rate. We can suggest competition between two camps to help poor Nations develop. We can suggest win-win.”
 
Senior A: “The good thing about us is that we are above the rat race. We do not need to worry about mortgage payments, education expenses for our children, daily expenses etc. We do not need to please Bosses or those rich and powerful. We are the detached observers.”
 
 Senior B: “We should let Society know that many of us can still be great contributors. We are not burdens to Society. We cannot lift heavy weights; we may not have great eyesight, good hearing or fast reactions but we still can think. We can still objectively tell right and wrong.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on March 31, 2017, 03:53:31 PM

ADS Securities Hong Kong


The Company will have a seminar on FORX trading tomorrow. The number of registered participants exceeded 700. It looks like Hong Kong Citizens are getting interested in FOREX.


A number of us are going. Shall discuss further.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 01, 2017, 01:23:45 PM

ADS Securities Hong Kong

The Company will have a seminar on FORX trading tomorrow. The number of registered participants exceeded 700. It looks like Hong Kong Citizens are getting interested in FOREX.

A number of us are going. Shall discuss further.


Over 700 people showed up. Many have never traded in Forex. The talk was very elementary. The highlight was a PhD who turned 200K to 5.75m in 14 months. He had a certified accounting statement. He discussed some of his techniques.


His main technique was gain more than loss. He had indicators alerting him 24 hours a day. If his guesses were correct, he allowed them to ride. If his guesses were wrong, he took losses early. His guess-right percentage was around 70%. He did both day trade and stretched over a few days.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 01, 2017, 10:20:10 PM
Concept of Sure-win Businesses
 
If we define a sure-win business as – putting X dollars in and getting more than X dollars out, we can have many sure-win businesses. The main reason behind is the ability of Governments to create thin-air money. If a Government backs up a business and injects thin-air money in, the money out can easily be more than the X dollars the businessman puts in.
 
For example, in building Infrastructures, the Government selects Company A to build a Road. The Government pays all costs related to the construction of the Road. Company A focuses only on the building of the Road. Company A does not worry about whether the Road will generate income. Company A receives the thin-air money so long as it does a good job.
 
The Government knows that it has to increase the money supply for its Citizens to get wealthier. However, it wants its Citizens to generate Meaningful Economic Activities. Meaningful Economic Activities include many different types - especially those that provide more comfort, security and enjoyment. Good Infrastructure Projects definitely qualify as Meaningful Economic Activities.
 
For example, China and Pakistan together build a Road and a High Speed Rail to link a Seaport between the two Nations. That easily qualifies as a Meaningful Economic Activity.  A Mutual Credit or Bilateral Arrangement can be set up to pump Y dollars into such a project. Some of the Y dollars can be from China and the rest can be from Pakistan. Both Nations can print thin-air money to do so. No debt needs to be imposed on either Nation. Many Companies, A, B, C will be involved in the project and receive the Y dollars. These A, B, C Companies are effectively involved in sure-win businesses. They may have to put in X dollars to do the initial study and bidding. But they can easily get much more than X dollars if they are successful.
 
We shall think and expand more on such sure-win businesses. The World will be more prosperous and more peaceful with such sure-win businesses…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 02, 2017, 01:25:26 AM

Concept of Sure-win Businesses
 
 If we define a sure-win business as – putting X dollars in and getting more than X dollars out, we can have many sure-win businesses. The main reason behind is the ability of Governments to create thin-air money. If a Government backs up a business and injects thin-air money in, the money out can easily be more than the X dollars the businessman puts in.
 
 For example, in building Infrastructures, the Government selects Company A to build a Road. The Government pays all costs related to the construction of the Road. Company A focuses only on the building of the Road. Company A does not worry about whether the Road will generate income. Company A receives the thin-air money so long as it does a good job.
 
 The Government knows that it has to increase the money supply for its Citizens to get wealthier. However, it wants its Citizens to generate Meaningful Economic Activities. Meaningful Economic Activities include many different types - especially those that provide more comfort, security and enjoyment. Good Infrastructure Projects definitely qualify as Meaningful Economic Activities.
 
 For example, China and Pakistan together build a Road and a High Speed Rail to link a Seaport between the two Nations. That easily qualifies as a Meaningful Economic Activity.  A Mutual Credit or Bilateral Arrangement can be set up to pump Y dollars into such a project. Some of the Y dollars can be from China and the rest can be from Pakistan. Both Nations can print thin-air money to do so. No debt needs to be imposed on either Nation. Many Companies, A, B, C will be involved in the project and receive the Y dollars. These A, B, C Companies are effectively involved in sure-win businesses. They may have to put in X dollars to do the initial study and bidding. But they can easily get much more than X dollars if they are successful.You
 
 We shall think and expand more on such sure-win businesses. The World will be more prosperous and more peaceful with such sure-win businesses…
 
Imagined meeting between Pakistan and UK

UK Representative: "You are asking us to build a Road and a High Speed Rail to link your Seaport to China. How would you pay?"

Pakistan Representative: "We can go for a Mutual Credit Arrangement. You give us X pounds and I give you the equivalent in Rupees. I can then pay the U.K. Companies participating in the project in Pounds. You have plenty of Rupees to invest in Hotels, Shopping Malls, and Restaurant Chains in a Special Economic Zone along the route.”

UK Representative: “Why don’t you go to IMF, borrow the money. Then pay us for the project.”

Pakistan Representative: “IMF said that we have to generate income from the Road and High Speed Rail to repay. If not, we have to come up with other means to repay. We shall be in debt for many years.”

UK Representative: “That is the Rule of the Game.”

Pakistan Representative: “We have to turn to China to play in their new win-win game.”
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 02, 2017, 02:01:12 AM

Imagined meeting between Pakistan and UK

UK Representative: "You are asking us to build a Road and a High Speed Rail to link your Seaport to China. How would you pay?"

Pakistan Representative: "We can go for a Mutual Credit Arrangement. You give us X pounds and I give you the equivalent in Rupees. I can then pay the U.K. Companies participating in the project in Pounds. You have plenty of Rupees to invest in Hotels, Shopping Malls, and Restaurant Chains in a Special Economic Zone along the route.”

UK Representative: “Why don’t you go to IMF, borrow the money. Then pay us for the project.”

Pakistan Representative: “IMF said that we have to generate income from the Road and High Speed Rail to repay. If not, we have to come up with other means to repay. We shall be in debt for many years.”

UK Representative: “That is the Rule of the Game.”

Pakistan Representative: “We have to turn to China to play in their new win-win game.”


Imagined Meeting between Pakistan and Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank


AIIB Representative: "You are proposing to build a Road and a High Speed Rail to link your seaport with China. How much will you need?"


Pakistan Representative: "We need X USD."


AIIB Representative: "Many of our Members would like to participate in your Infrastructure Projects. If we loan the money to you, you will have to open the Project to our members."


Pakistan Representative: "That is fine. We actually hope for International Competition for the Project."


AIIB Representative: "How would you repay us?"


Pakistan Representative: "We want to enter a Mutual Credit Arrangement with China. They will give us RMB. We can then pay you in RMB. Will you accept RMB?"


AIIB Representative: "Sure. China is a major stakeholder in our Bank. But why do you come to us if you can get the money from China?"


Pakistan Representative: "China wants the Project to have International Acceptance and Participation. They also want AIIB to be an alternative to IMF and World Bank."


AIIB Representative: "We shall consider your application. We may do a joint funding with other Banks. (Chinese Banks are likely to participate.)"
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 02, 2017, 03:33:11 AM

 

 Imagined Meeting between Pakistan and Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank
 
 AIIB Representative: "You are proposing to build a Road and a High Speed Rail to link your seaport with China. How much will you need?"
 
 Pakistan Representative: "We need X USD."
 
 AIIB Representative: "Many of our Members would like to participate in your Infrastructure Projects. If we loan the money to you, you will have to open the Project to our members."
 
 Pakistan Representative: "That is fine. We actually hope for International Competition for the Project."
 
 AIIB Representative: "How would you repay us?"
 
 Pakistan Representative: "We want to enter a Mutual Credit Arrangement with China. They will give us RMB. We can then pay you in RMB. Will you accept RMB?"
 
 AIIB Representative: "Sure. China is a major stakeholder in our Bank. But why do you come to us if you can get the money from China?"
 
 Pakistan Representative: "China wants the Project to have International Acceptance and Participation. They also want AIIB to be an alternative to IMF and World Bank."
 
 AIIB Representative: "We shall consider your application. We may do a joint funding with other Banks. (Chinese Banks are likely to participate.)"
 
Imagined Meeting at AIIB

AIIB representative: “We have received the Application from Pakistan. They would like to build a Road and a High Speed Rail linking China to their seaport. Please comments.”

Nation A: “It is within our charter. However, my Nation is more interested in investing in their Special Economic Zones. We have experience in building Hotels, Tourist Attractions, Restaurant and Retail Chains. We do not mind treating that as a side project. We accept USD, RMB and Rupee.”

Nation B: “We are interested in Food Factories such as ice cream, milk, soya milk, soft drinks etc. We do not mind setting up processing plants in the Special Development Zones.”


Nation C: "We can be sub-contractor on cement and other materials. We can also supply some skilled labor or management as we have built many roads."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 02, 2017, 12:07:28 PM
 Imagined Meeting in Beijing
 
Economist A: “Now that China is Forex Trading via its own Exchanges, there is no need to worry about attacks on RMB by the crocodiles. What is the next step?”
 
Economist B: “Let all friendly Nations know that they can do the same. Every Nation can theoretically manage the exchange rate of their currency.”
 
Economist C: “Will there be irresponsible Nations printing huge quantities of their thin-air currency and maintaining their exchange rate?”
 
Economist D: “Other Nations can stop trading with the irresponsible Nation. It will suffer the same fate as in the current set of rules.”
 
Economist A: “What will happen to the future of RMB?”
 
Economist B: “If China maintains a stable exchange rate, a higher interest rate and occasionally appreciates the RMB, other Nations will be eager to use RMB as settlement and reserve currency.”
 
Economist C: “Bilateral trade with many Nations will increase. China will have the currency of many Nations via Mutual Credits. The pace of world economic development will greatly increase. If Relationship Selling is improved, the GDP growth of China will rise back to 8% or more.”

 
Economist D: “The real GDP of China will exceed that of USA in a couple of years – not just the PPP. (Parity Purchasing Power).”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 02, 2017, 08:25:16 PM

 
  Imagined Meeting in Beijing
 
 Economist A: “What will happen to the future of RMB?”
 
Economist B: “If China maintains a stable exchange rate, a higher interest rate and occasionally appreciates the RMB, other Nations will be eager to use RMB as settlement and reserve currency.”


Economist C: “Bilateral trade with many Nations will increase. China will have the currency of many Nations via Mutual Credits. The pace of world economic developmetnt will greatly increase. If Relationship Selling is improved, the GDP growth of China will rise back to 8% or more.”[/font]
 
 Economist D: “The real GDP of China will exceed that of USA in a couple of years – not just the PPP. (Parity Purchasing Power).”
 

Imagined Meeting in Washington

Strategist A: “Now China learned the currency weapon. What should we do?”

Strategist B: “They also learned that they were our willing slaves. We placed orders and gave them thin-air money. They polluted their water and air. They gathered the villagers into factories. They produced the goods. They bought our thin-air treasure bills and proudly announced that they had trillions of USD reserve.”

Strategist C: “We wanted them to fight regional wars. We wanted them to go to war with Japan, Philippines, India and Russia. We wanted them to start trouble in North Korea. We told them that the North Korean Nuclear Weapons were a greater threat to them. They did not fall into the trap.”

Strategist A: “We can bomb the Nations if they got Infrastructures built by China. We do not need to use our pilots. We just give weapons to the democracy supporters. They can overthrow the Governments and destroy the Infrastructures. We give them the missiles or explosives. We then blame China – labelling them as neo-colonists coming to rob the resources of poor Nations.”

Strategist B: “Would it be simpler to get Taiwan to declare Independence? China is likely to take military action. We can then nuke China with the excuse of defending Taiwan and Democracy.”

Strategist C: “We have to consider the reaction of other existing nuclear powers and some new ones. We may have to nuke North Korea, Pakistan and Russia too.”

Strategist A: “We have to kill or imprison all the Chinese already in US soil. We may have to put troops in every corner of the Earth. Some Chinese might secretly re-develop nuclear weapons and use them on us. That option will lead to the end of the Human Race. I do not want to be part of it.”

Strategist B: “If we follow the suggestion of competing with Russia+China. The game is to help poor Nations develop, what will happen?”

Strategist C: “We may get many Nations obey us like Germany and Japan. But many Nations may go to the Russia+China Camp. We will not be the only Super Power any more.”
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 04, 2017, 12:52:59 AM

 
Concept of Sure-win Businesses
 
 If we define a sure-win business as – putting X dollars in and getting more than X dollars out, we can have many sure-win businesses. The main reason behind is the ability of Governments to create thin-air money. If a Government backs up a business and injects thin-air money in, the money out can easily be more than the X dollars the businessman puts in.
 
 For example, in building Infrastructures, the Government selects Company A to build a Road. The Government pays all costs related to the construction of the Road. Company A focuses only on the building of the Road. Company A does not worry about whether the Road will generate income. Company A receives the thin-air money so long as it does a good job.
 
 The Government knows that it has to increase the money supply for its Citizens to get wealthier. However, it wants its Citizens to generate Meaningful Economic Activities. Meaningful Economic Activities include many different types - especially those that provide more comfort, security and enjoyment. Good Infrastructure Projects definitely qualify as Meaningful Economic Activities.
 
 For example, China and Pakistan together build a Road and a High Speed Rail to link a Seaport between the two Nations. That easily qualifies as a Meaningful Economic Activity.  A Mutual Credit or Bilateral Arrangement can be set up to pump Y dollars into such a project. Some of the Y dollars can be from China and the rest can be from Pakistan. Both Nations can print thin-air money to do so. No debt needs to be imposed on either Nation. Many Companies, A, B, C will be involved in the project and receive the Y dollars. These A, B, C Companies are effectively involved in sure-win businesses. They may have to put in X dollars to do the initial study and bidding. But they can easily get much more than X dollars if they are successful.
 
 We shall think and expand more on such sure-win businesses. The World will be more prosperous and more peaceful with such sure-win businesses…
 


Tseung, you have not discussed the bond market. That is even larger than the 5 trillion USD per day Forex Market. If you own an Investment Bank that can help Companies go public, would your Investment Bank be considered as a sure-win business?

Lehman Brothers was an Investment Bank. It issued bonds using the USA Home Mortgages as the means of generating income. It also packaged many derivative products. Its marketing to the consumer was: “We pay a higher interest than normal bank deposits. Our bonds are one of safest in the World. The USA citizens will pay mortgages to own their homes.”

Unfortunately, as with all private, profit-motivated ventures, it was overdone. Mortgages were issued to seventy year olds and many others with no possibility of payment. The excuse was that the Banks can always take back the property and sell it for a profit on an appreciating value property market. Some economist even argued that the USA Government would not allow any big Investment Banks to fail. (They are too big to fail.)

Many private Companies issue Bonds assuming that the new Bonds will cover the promised interests and that investors will continue buying their bonds. It is a legal way of increasing thin-air money. The market depends heavily on faith. The USA Government cannot allow that faith to vaporize. Thus much of its QE money was used to pop up such Bonds.

China must not fall into that trap. It buys US treasury bills – bonds by the US Government. Because the US Government can always print thin-air money, that is considered super safe. But treasury bills are just paper or just numbers in a trusted institution. It is much better to use that money for more Meaningful Economic Activities. China must not allow its private Companies to issue Bonds similar to US. The issuing of bond is equivalent to private Companies using thin-air paper to exchange for thin-air money. Leaving that in the hands of private companies will inevitably lead to greed and overdoing.

The largest Meaningful Economic Activities at present is Infrastructure Building in the many Developing Nations. Thus the one-belt-one-road initiative is the correct win-win path to take at present. The thin-air money can be turned into actual projects that will benefit the Human Race.
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 04, 2017, 10:35:26 AM



 Concept of Public Investor
 
The most important element in any field is knowledge and skill. China will be the number one economy. But its financial brains are not developed to take on that position yet. Losing one trillion USD foreign currency reserve to protect the RMB Exchange Rate is not exactly smart.
 
How can China develop an elite group to master money and the financial markets dominated by Wall Street? One proposal is to have Public Investors. These Public Investors are selected as follows:

1.       They will go through a basic training on investments. The training can be via the Internet. They must understand the basic financial terms. They will be judged on simple multiple choice questions. In addition, they must participate in discussion forums demonstrating their financial views and insights.

2.       They will go through dummy trading on one or more areas of their choice. For example, if they want to trade in Forex, they will have a six month period doing dummy trades. In the dummy trade, they will compete with many other Public Investor Hopefuls. The amount of Dummy Money is one million Yuan.

3.       The different areas of Investment will be selected by the Local or Central Government. These areas may reflect the local region characteristics. These areas may be updated from time to time.

4.       There is no age limit for such Public Investors. Seniors can participate so long as they have a functional brain and be able to use the Internet.

5.       The winners of the Dummy Trades will also be judged on the postings they posted on the various “judgement” financial forums.

6.       A certain number of Public Investors will be selected to do real investing on behalf of China. They will each be give one million RMB to do real trading. Their trading will be recorded and analyzed by the many Public Investor Hopefuls.

7.       If they are successful in a predetermined timeframe, say, 5 years, they can return the one million RMB and keep the profit. They can also become moderators of the financial forums and be part of the selection committee for Public Investors.

8.       If they are not successful, they can return whatever was left. They can try to become a Public Investor again via competition with other Public Investor Hopefuls. Their experience will be treated as learning lessons for the Nation.

9.       Thus many citizens will participate in the Financial Markets. The collective knowledge will increase greatly. The thin-air money will be more effectively used.


Some hints on Forex Trade training:
https://en.investing-deals.com/forex/?vid=309&a=383&c=2827&s2=GDN-Forex-SE-Asia-EN_Text&s4=__c&s5=168541423916_none&gclid=CMWUkJq1itMCFYGbvAody6cBtw

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 05, 2017, 08:53:43 PM

Concept of Sure-win Businesses
 
If we define a sure-win business as – putting X dollars in and getting more than X dollars out, we can have many sure-win businesses. The main reason behind is the ability of Governments to create thin-air money. If a Government backs up a business and injects thin-air money in, the money out can easily be more than the X dollars the businessman puts in.
 
For example, in building Infrastructures, the Government selects Company A to build a Road. The Government pays all costs related to the construction of the Road. Company A focuses only on the building of the Road. Company A does not worry about whether the Road will generate income. Company A receives the thin-air money so long as it does a good job.
 
The Government knows that it has to increase the money supply for its Citizens to get wealthier. However, it wants its Citizens to generate Meaningful Economic Activities. Meaningful Economic Activities include many different types - especially those that provide more comfort, security and enjoyment. Good Infrastructure Projects definitely qualify as Meaningful Economic Activities.
 
For example, China and Pakistan together build a Road and a High Speed Rail to link a Seaport between the two Nations. That easily qualifies as a Meaningful Economic Activity.  A Mutual Credit or Bilateral Arrangement can be set up to pump Y dollars into such a project. Some of the Y dollars can be from China and the rest can be from Pakistan. Both Nations can print thin-air money to do so. No debt needs to be imposed on either Nation. Many Companies, A, B, C will be involved in the project and receive the Y dollars. These A, B, C Companies are effectively involved in sure-win businesses. They may have to put in X dollars to do the initial study and bidding. But they can easily get much more than X dollars if they are successful.
 
We shall think and expand more on such sure-win businesses. The World will be more prosperous and more peaceful with such sure-win businesses…


Tseung, you are putting too much emphasis on the role of Government. If a Government is corrupt or incompetent, the Citizens will suffer. Market Forces, through competition, will be better in most cases.



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 05, 2017, 08:59:01 PM


Tseung, you are putting too much emphasis on the role of Government. If a Government is corrupt or incompetent, the Citizens will suffer. Market Forces, through competition, will be better in most cases.


Comment:


I do not like the idea of sure-win businesses. They are popped up by the Government. As such, they will become lazy and incompetent. It will also breed corruption.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 07, 2017, 01:16:45 AM

 Tseung, you are putting too much emphasis on the role of Government. If a Government is corrupt or incompetent, the Citizens will suffer. Market Forces, through competition, will be better in most cases.
 

Almost everything has its good side and bad side. Let us focus on the good side first. With Government backing, China can and is achieving the following:

1.       Use of the mobile, smart phone to pay all bills and purchases.

2.       Every Mobile phone user will be given a Credit line of RMB100,000. This eliminates the use of credit cards.

3.       Government benefits including pensions, unemployment benefits, disaster relief etc. can be deposited directly to the Bank Accounts. Poverty is essentially history as Government can ensure that every citizen has a minimum (and rising) standard of living.

4.        Super Democracy can easily be achieved. The Citizens can receive policy information; comment via Forums; VOTE via their smart, mobile phones.

5.       There can be a social worker (robot in some cases) helping every citizen. No citizen will suffer because of lack of Pubic Support.

6.       Life-long education can be provided via smart phones and Internet. There will be various certificates. Every Citizen will receive as much certified education as he desires. The educational level of Chinese Citizens will soon rise to amongst the best in the World.

7.       With Public Investor program, every citizen has a chance to learn the financial workings of Society. If they are successful, they can keep the profits from an RMB1m investment. If they are not successful, their learning experience is treated as lessons for others.

8.       The one child (now two child) policy produced citizens eager to overcome their loneliness via phones and friends. Many men will have to marry foreign wives. Globalization will act in their favor. (Being a Chinese is a proud thing or a desirable husband?)

9.       Every opportunity will be pounced upon. (The recent investment rush to the announced “second Capital region” is an example. The land prices increased 5 times in one afternoon prompting Government to suspend all land and property transactions.)

10.   It looks like China will jump over the middle income trap with the one-belt-one-road initiative. Once the projects are divided into long term and short term, the progress in the underdeveloped Nations will match that in China. Mutual Credits eliminates National Debts. Relationship Selling eliminates excessive cut-throat competition.   The World will be prosperous and peaceful.
 
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 07, 2017, 02:07:20 PM
China's foreign exchange reserves stayed above $3 trillion (2.41 trillion pounds) in March, during which a pause in the dollar's rally aided Beijing's efforts to contain capital outflows.


Reserves rose $3.96 billion during March - less than the $5 billion predicted in a Reuters poll - to total $3.009 trillion, compared with $3.005 trillion at the end of February.

In January, reserves slipped below $3 trillion for the first time in nearly six years, but in February they moved back above that line with their first rise in eight months.

The March increase marks the first time reserves had increased two consecutive months since April 2016. 


*** Does that mean China is Forex trading via its own Forex Exchange? A few more months figures will tell.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 08, 2017, 12:55:02 AM

China has now found a solution to the Currency Exchange Rate weapon. What are its own weapons?

The one-belt-one-road win-win initiative is one of the most powerful strategies. It promotes the China Model via real Infrastructures.

Relationship selling or Mutual Credits eliminates the use of debts on poorer Nations. It overcomes excessive cut-throat competition. Developing Nations do not need to cut-throat to become the lowest cost producer.

The attached slide showed more.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 08, 2017, 04:33:46 AM


 More Chinese Economic War Weapons


1.      Agricultural demonstration and improvement Centers in multiple Countries.  The population growth of China has slowed because of the one-child policy. Even with the two-child policy now, the population growth will be negative. Food security is assured as there are not going to be too many more mouths. The emphasis is now on food quality and variety.

2.      Giving every adult a smart phone. China has essentially got Internet coverage over most of the Nation. Great effort is focused on increasing the speed and the applications. China has jump over the Computer development. Many youngsters rely more on the smart phones than the Computer. The tracking of activities on the smart phone is used by Alibaba to approve loans.

3.      Officials are judged on their ability to bring prosperity to their region and their local citizens. They are no longer the privileged group enjoying benefits for no action.

4.      Corruption is greatly reduced because of the Internet. Officials and their relatives no longer show off their watches, cars, jewelry and other luxuries. If they are caught on the smart phones and published on the Internet, their career will be at stake.

5.      There are waves of TV programs showing how citizens got rich; how the Infrastructures are popping up; how the underground is more clean and modern than those in USA or UK; how the educational scores in China are leading the World; etc. These propaganda are backed up with real examples. That gave more self-confidence to the Chinese Citizens.

6.      Many citizens are travelling to other Nations for leisure and on business. They can compare the Infrastructures and life-style for themselves.

7.      Now, even Wall Street is no longer viewed in awe. The feeling is that you can print money and use it on abstract derivatives that benefit only the rich. We can print money and use it on real projects that benefit not only Chinese Citizens but also other Nations. We can build a better World and we are doing it…
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 08, 2017, 03:36:11 PM
Provinces proposed 45 trillion RMB (7 trillion USD) for Infrastructure projects. Can China print more thin-air money to achieve the goal?

Some Economists argue that printing thin-air money is piling up debt that needs to be repaid.

My view is - who is the lender and who is the borrower? Both are the Chinese Government. The Chinese Government is essentially using its own trustworthiness to say that the thin-air money will be well used. The printing of money will not create runaway inflation. The increased thin-air money will create more useful infrastructures and Meaningful Economic Activities. Some economists may take the case of the inner Mongolia Province. Few people live there. Why spend trillion of dollars?

The goal is to support the one-belt-one-road initiative and to provide an outlet for the excess production capability of China. Inner Mongolia will no longer be for nomads. Heating will no longer be polluting coal or wood. There will be running water - so the Mongolian Brothers do not need to bath only 3 times in their life-time. They will all be able to enjoy modern comfort. When a Nation produces more steel and cement than it uses, one way is to cut down production. Another way is to use the excess production for long term needs. China learned a big lesson in the 2008 World Financial Crisis. It printed 4 trillion RMB to embark on massive infrastructure projects. It built roads, bridges, high speed trains, inner city undergrounds, hospitals and real estate at an incredible pace. It found no great negative consequences. Most of the infrastructures were directed from the Central Government.

This time, the Central Government asked the Provincial Governments to submit their plans. These Provincial Governments saw it as an opportunity that should not be missed. It is like some rich uncle asking a youngster what he desires. The youngster will come up with his dream list. I do not think that all the 45 trillion projects will be approved. But getting the Provincial Governments involved is a good idea. China does not need to slow down.
Title: Re: Ufo propiveu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 08, 2017, 09:21:32 PM

In the art of war, there is the concept of complete and lasting victory. To achieve that, the victor must not generate more hatred from the defeated. USA did the right thing after the Second World War. It helped Germany and Japan to rebuild. There is no need to expand a Nation's territory or enslave other Nations to become prosperous. Just produce better and more goods.


China printed 4 trillion RMB in 2008 for Infrastructure projects. That was successful or a victory was achieved. That was viewed as winning a battle only. Winning a battle is very different from winning the war. China lost one trillion USD Foreign Currency Reserve from Aug 2015 to Dec 2016. That particular battle was a terrible defeat.


Now China can Forex Trade through its own Forex Exchanges and not a dollar of Foreign Currency Reserve needs to be used. Can it win many more battles with more Infrastructures inside China and outside China via the one-belt-one-road initiative? The goal is to get other Nations wealthy via win-win. The final Victory is a prosperous World where every Nation feels secure. Globalization is achieved via win-win.


The cruise missile attack on Syria is definitely not win-win. The talk of unilateral action by USA on North Korea is definitely not win-win. USA may be winning a battle by destroying the Syria Military but it is losing the War. It is generating more hatred.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 10, 2017, 08:41:15 PM

 Why Wall Street lost its prestige in the eyes of the Chinese Economists?

1.       Previously, the Investment Banks such as Goldman Sachs, Solomon Brothers, Lehman Brothers etc. were thought to be sure-win enterprises. They could package almost any Company and got it Public. It would generate much fee in the process.

2.       These Investment Banks also help many Companies to issue Bonds. Many of these Companies could not repay the Bonds unless the customers bought their new Bonds.

3.       The Investment Banks went heavily into derivative or number trading. Numbers can be infinite and the Investment Banks could show huge profits. Many other International Banks use the Bonds from these Investment Banks and their supported Bonds as collateral and issue their own Bonds.

4.       It created the domino effect – collapse of one entity would cause the collapse of many others.

5.       Lehman Brother and other Investment Banks thought that they were too big to fail. USA Government would help. USA Government could print thin-air money.

6.       The Investment Banks packaged the Mortgages of US homes as collateral and issued huge amount of Bonds. This was just one example of financial mismanagement. The earlier Junk Bond Market was another.

7.       The Hedge Funds succeeded in causing the Russian Ruble and the Asian Miracle to collapse. It also succeeded in draining one trillion USD Foreign Currency Reserve from China.

8.       The mood from some circles in Wall Street was – let the Chinese and others to be willing slaves. We printed thin-air money and they enslaved their workers; polluted their environment and gave us the good. We could enjoy the good life and they were grateful to get our orders.

9.       So long as USA have the superior War Weapons – both physical and economic, USA can dominate the World. USA could help to make any Nation rich or make them poor. If USA placed orders, those Nations would prosper. If USA sabotaged or bombed, those Nations would be poor.

10.   Wall Street did not realize that technology could be mastered quickly. They did not foresee that China could copy and improve that quickly. They never thought that North Korea could produce the nuclear bombs nor the missiles.

The Chinese Economists copied and improved on the financial concepts. They realized that there were many real projects to be done. They realized that they could redefine “what are Meaningful Economic Activities”. They realized capital was never a scarce commodity. Thin-air money could be printed but need to be controlled. Allowing private enterprises to follow their greed would turn something Meaningful to Ridicule. 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 11, 2017, 09:33:22 PM
How to deal with North Korea?

The thinking from USA is – no new Nations are allowed to have nuclear weapons. If any new Nation (apart from the existing nuclear club) develops nuclear weapons, USA will “take action”. The action includes sanctions, bombing, sabotage and invasion. But as technical knowledge is getting wide spread, building nuclear bombs and missiles are within the capability of more and more Nations.

Why would any Nation want to possess Nuclear Weapons and delivery systems? The main reason is National Security. North Korea pointed to the missile attack on Syria by USA. It said that North Korea would suffer the same fate if it does not have nuclear weapon capabilities. But it is inviting USA to take "surgical strikes" now. The gamble is that the North Korean Scientists will develop so fast that any attempt to "surgical strike" will meet with unthinkable nuclear mutual destruction.

Is USA justified in taking such "surgical strikes"? Such surgical strikes are definitely not win-win. The strikes will generate more hatred and human suffering. Other Nations with hate in their hearts will seek revenge. They may keep the development secret...

The better path is to help North Korea to become rich similar to South Korea, Germany and Japan. When citizens are wealthy, they will try to preserve their wealth. They will not try to destroy others with the risk of getting themselves destroyed. The Chinese version of Globalization is win-win with prosperity to every human being on earth. Get back to the negotiation table. Forget sanctions. Work out a plan to rapidly develop the North Korean economy. Accept the fact that North Korea is a Nuclear Power. (Will have to accept many other Nations in the future. Technology is here.)

If the two camps (USA vs Russia+China) compete to help other poorer Nations develop, the World will be much better. Both camps have the "mutual destruction" capability and the focus can be on economic development of all Nations.



 
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 12, 2017, 07:28:39 AM

Tseung, If China is trading in its own forex market X to keep the RMB rate low and Hedge Funds are trading in forex market Y to send the RMB rate high, can I buy RMB in X and sell in Y?


No. The Forex Exchanges are like casi*os. Their chips are not interchangeable.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 12, 2017, 11:03:50 PM
Forex trading is additive - even with fake money. Making 50% profit with 24 hours is exciting...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: synchro1 on April 13, 2017, 03:42:30 AM
@Itseung,

Sounds fantastic. I laid over in Kunming from Shanghai on my way to Bangcock and nearly passed out in a public bathroom covered in blood. Once in Bangcock, I met a Chinese woman who showed me some "Dar-Fu Chi Gung" exercises and spoke of her friends in your Chinese organ harvesting motels; But yea sure, way to go China! Sure looks good on paper.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 13, 2017, 02:05:08 PM

The media in the West talk much on "surgical operation" on North Korea.


Any war action will result in sufferings similar to Syria. Negotiation is the only realistic solution.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 14, 2017, 01:05:19 AM



The media in the West talk much on "surgical operation" on North Korea.

Any war action will result in sufferings similar to Syria. Negotiation is the only realistic solution.


*****
The better path is to help North Korea to become rich similar to South Korea, Germany and Japan. When citizens are wealthy, they will try to preserve their wealth. They will not try to destroy others with the risk of getting themselves destroyed. The Chinese version of Globalization is win-win with prosperity to every human being on earth. Get back to the negotiation table. Forget sanctions. Work out a plan to rapidly develop the North Korean economy. Accept the fact that North Korea is a Nuclear Power. (Will have to accept many other Nations in the future. Technology is here.)

If the two camps (USA vs Russia+China) compete to help other poorer Nations develop, the World will be much better. Both camps have the "mutual destruction" capability and the focus can be on economic development of all Nations.

Comment:

When someone talks about a surgical strike, he is think that the pain and suffering are  all on the other side. He will suffer negligible consequences. It was like the colonial times - the superiority of guns and cannons over swords and arrows were so extreme that the Colonial Powers never considered their possible losses.

One super power in this World has this major drawback.

My proposal is to have two camps competing to help poorer Nations develop. When all are wealthy, they will not think of destroying one another...


(http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg504151/#msg504151)

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 14, 2017, 10:46:56 AM

 
 Almost everything has its good side and bad side. Let us focus on the good side first. With Government backing, China can and is achieving the following:
 
 1.       Use of the mobile, smart phone to pay all bills and purchases.
…..
 
 10.   It looks like China will jump over the middle income trap with the one-belt-one-road initiative. Once the projects are divided into long term and short term, the progress in the underdeveloped Nations will match that in China. Mutual Credits eliminates National Debts. Relationship Selling eliminates excessive cut-throat competition.   The World will be prosperous and peaceful.
 

Lunch meeting in Hong Kong

Person A: “The price of real estate in Hong Kong is rising ridiculously. Will there be a bubble?”

Person B: “Looking at it from the other side, any home owner in Hong Kong is likely to be a millionaire. Those who own multiple units will be more than middle income level. The rise in property value is likely to be many times their earnings.”

Person C: “I rented out my property and moved to the retired estate of Tanner Hill. It turns out to be one of the best investment moves. The rent received already more than cover all expenses when living in Tanner Hill. Now, my property went up in value by at least 10% in six months.”

Person A: “China was following the Hong Kong model at one time. It is easy to rise above middle income level when you have more than one piece of property earning money for you.”

Person B: “Now the official policy is that houses are for living and not for speculation. It is harder to own multiple units from now on. How can one get rich in China without the help of real estate?”

Person D: “What is the point of getting richer at our age?”

Person A: “We can show the younger generation how to become richer without a regular job. We can get money to work for us.”

Tseung: “We can talk about sure-win businesses even if we are too old to actually do them. Rising above the middle income with Government help is actually very easy. Just get involved in the one-belt-one-road projects. Governments print thin-air money to give those who can perform…”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 14, 2017, 10:02:19 PM

 …..

 Tseung: “We can talk about sure-win businesses even if we are too old to actually do them. Rising above the middle income with Government help is actually very easy. Just get involved in the one-belt-one-road projects. Governments print thin-air money to give those who can perform…”
 

The Zhuhai-Macau-Hong Kong Bridge is likely to be operational by the end of 2017. The implication is that the best of the three places can add up to more than 3. Hong Kong is best known for its Financial Services. Macau is the gambling center of the World. Zhuhai is the best place to live in China.
 
Zhuhai has land that can be developed to be the Insurance Center of China. Foreign Insurance Companies who want to have the China Business should have a presence. The Chinese Regulators can deal with all insurance companies in one location. Insurance Industry is a form of sure-win business especially if Government acts as the ultimate insurer. A certain percentage of the insurance fees will be deposited with the ultimate insurer – the Chinese Government who can print thin-air money.
 
China must Forex Trade through its own Forex Exchanges. It is the best time to regulate the Industry similar to regulating the casi*o business in Macau. Even though the average Forex trader or individual can trade on-line, China can demand that there must be Forex Exchange Headquarters in Zhuhai. The amount of business can easily be a few trillion USD per day.
 
Once China allows derivative trading (numbers trading), there must be mechanisms to protect the financial health of China and its citizens. There must be strict monitoring and regulating. There may be some experimentation first. Some special Government approved and backed Hedge Funds may need to be set up to curb market excesses. For example, if the stock market goes up too high, such Hedge Funds will sell. If the stock market goes down too low, such Hedge Funds will buy. (USA has such mechanisms long ago after the 1929 market collapse.)
 
Zhuhai can set up a special International Economic Zone to cater for the needs of many high income Company Executives and Investors. This can be a role model for International understanding and co-operation. Many Developing Nation Students will be encouraged to come and learn. They will be given subsidized housing. The concept of Public Investors and relationship selling can be introduced.
 
Local and International Universities will be encouraged to set up sure-win courses in special campuses. Topics such as Mutual Credits, Meaningful Economic Activities, win-win, Super Democracy, Super Silicon Valley Mentality, thinking-out-of-the-box will be thoroughly researched. These will spearhead the innovative financial developments. The smart phones will be the default wallets. The smart phones will be the opinion gathering and VOLTING mechanisms. The Campuses will showcase Cities of the Future.
 
The traffic along the Bridge will increase very rapidly. Sure-win...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 15, 2017, 10:25:38 AM
Had lunch with T. S. Lau. He gave the following good suggestion:

1. China + Russia will guarantee the security of North Korea. North Korea will not need nuclear weapons to defend itself.

2. China will buy the nuclear projects from North Korea. The North Korean team can join the Chinese team. In return, China will spend many billions to help North Korea develop. The infrastructure projects, the industrial capability, the import and export capability will greatly increase. There is no need to develop nuclear weapons to protect itself.

3. This, in some ways, is similar to the proposal of having two camps competing to develop the poorer Nations. Win-win.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 15, 2017, 11:31:06 AM
From T S Lau:


2.       Every Mobile phone user will be given a Credit line of RMB100,000. This eliminates the use of credit cards.

If we assume the adult population of China is 1 billion, the total credit line will be 100 trillion RMB. That amount is just too huge.

*** That amount does not need to happen immediately. Some poorer regions may get such credit earlier. The goal is to eliminate poverty and encourage consumption. In USA, the rich gets a much larger amount of credit. We can narrow the gap between the rich and poor. With smart phones, how the credit is used can be monitored and adjusted appropriately...

RMB100,000 is equivalent to the average salary of a worker in the Big Cities such as Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen. We can argue on the actual amount. It is a good topic.


I believe the proposer included Mortgage in the credit calculation. In USA, the interest on Mortgage and on credit cards are vastly different. The proposal in China is to have low interest on both. The ultimate guarantor is the Chinese Government who can print infinite amount of thin-air money.


T. S. Lau: "When you post something, the readers with different background will interpret things according to their own experience. They will arrive at very different conclusions. Thus you may have to include additional information to justify the statements. If not, some readers may think that you are mad or ignorant."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 15, 2017, 10:56:46 PM

 
 Almost everything has its good side and bad side. Let us focus on the good side first. With Government backing, China can and is achieving the following:
 
 1.       Use of the mobile, smart phone to pay all bills and purchases.
 
 2.       Every Mobile phone user will be given a Credit line of RMB100,000. This eliminates the use of credit cards.
 
 3.       Government benefits including pensions, unemployment benefits, disaster relief etc. can be deposited directly to the Bank Accounts. Poverty is essentially history as Government can ensure that every citizen has a minimum (and rising) standard of living.
 
 4.        Super Democracy can easily be achieved. The Citizens can receive policy information; comment via Forums; VOTE via their smart, mobile phones.
 
 5.       There can be a social worker (robot in some cases) helping every citizen. No citizen will suffer because of lack of Pubic Support.
 
 6.       Life-long education can be provided via smart phones and Internet. There will be various certificates. Every Citizen will receive as much certified education as he desires. The educational level of Chinese Citizens will soon rise to amongst the best in the World.
 
 7.       With Public Investor program, every citizen has a chance to learn the financial workings of Society. If they are successful, they can keep the profits from an RMB1m investment. If they are not successful, their learning experience is treated as lessons for others.
 
 8.       The one child (now two child) policy produced citizens eager to overcome their loneliness via phones and friends. Many men will have to marry foreign wives. Globalization will act in their favor. (Being a Chinese is a proud thing or a desirable husband?)
 
 9.       Every opportunity will be pounced upon. (The recent investment rush to the announced “second Capital region” is an example. The land prices increased 5 times in one afternoon prompting Government to suspend all land and property transactions.)
 
 10.   It looks like China will jump over the middle income trap with the one-belt-one-road initiative. Once the projects are divided into long term and short term, the progress in the underdeveloped Nations will match that in China. Mutual Credits eliminates National Debts. Relationship Selling eliminates excessive cut-throat competition.   The World will be prosperous and peaceful.
 

One much discussed topic is that every citizen should have a smart phone. That will serve as an identification card, bank card, wallet, information receiver and sender, entertainment device, emergency phone, super democracy voting mechanism, etc.
 
Hong Kong has more mobile phones than its population - many own more than one phone. (I have two – one for use in Hong Kong and another one outside.) The Chinese Government can indeed guarantee that every adult citizen have a smart phone. (Some remote places may have satellite phones?) With the smart phones and increasing applications, the Chinese Citizens will march into the information age…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 16, 2017, 09:26:17 AM
If I were USA President Trump, what would I do related to North Korea?


1. I would tell the World that the Chinese President Xi said that he would try his very best. Out of respect, I would give him room and time to do whatever he feels necessary.
2. As the Leader of the Greatest Nation on Earth, I would not like to see suffering on any Nation. I want security for my Nation.
3. I do not want to see nuclear weapons in the hands of any new Nation. Any miscalculation may start nuclear wars and that will mean the end of Human Civilisation.
4. I do not believe that the leaders and people of North Korea want to see destruction and sufferings. If North Korea dismantles their Nuclear weapons, I promise that no harm will fall on them. I personally guarantee their security.
5. I will also work together with China, Russia and the rest of the World Community to help to bring peace and prosperity to North Korea.
6. The North Korean Scientists and Engineers already showed that they are amongst the best in the World. I would like to see that they use their skills on other meaningful projects.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 17, 2017, 11:42:17 PM


http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/More-tension-in-Hong-Kong-than-Taiwan-due-to-polarized-identity?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=msn-defaulthomepage&utm_term=524346 (http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/More-tension-in-Hong-Kong-than-Taiwan-due-to-polarized-identity?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=msn-defaulthomepage&utm_term=524346)


The above website talks about the tough times ahead for the new Female Chief Executive of Hong Kong. The author made a good point. When Hong Kong has multiple groups wanting to show their identity, they will question or delay reasonable policies in order to promote their identity. That is a drawback of stupid democracy.

Hong Kong should go for Super Democracy - debate the issues via Properly Managed Internet Forums and let all Voters express their intentions or even VOTE via their smart phones. The Properly Managed Internet Forums can have the following set up:


1. Multiple unregulated Forums allowing totally free opinions.
2. A Government Forum taking some of the good opinions from the above and commenting on them. The posters with the good opinions will be invited to post in this forum. The Forum is still managed - the bad posts will be removed. Typing mistakes will be corrected.
3. Opinion polls and VOTES will be based on the Government Forum.


Will Hong Kong lead the World in Super Democracy?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 18, 2017, 12:00:31 AM



Went fishing and vacationing over Easter. Make a major mistake in leaving position open without stop loss.

See the loss due to margin call.


1. The present rate is 1.06445
2. The open rate was 1.06643
3. The margin close rate was 1.06137

Will an experienced Forex Trader make that mistake?

Fortunately, it was fake money. Otherwise, it would have been a very, very expensive vacation.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 18, 2017, 03:27:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHc8AIC7bCM


It took China 6 years to complete the 4 North-South and 4 East-West high speed rails. Now the plan is to have 8 North-South and 8 East-West high speed rail links.


Critics may say that the China GDP figures are "cooked". But it is impossible to "cook" the infrastructures - especially the high speed rail trains. Anyone can buy tickets and enjoy the ride.


I believe that the GDP figures are manipulated. China can easily build more infrastructures or give more parties or gifts to the retirees...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: markdansie on April 18, 2017, 05:10:34 PM
I ride on those trains regularly, they are magnificent as are the railway stations. The trais I use normally run at 300kph. The one in Shanghi runs over 430 klms per hour.
The rail infra structure is second to none and china has more than 2x fast rail that the rest of the world combined.
The freeways are brilliant.
The last 30 years have seen a remarkable transformation in China with a massively increasing middle class and the most billionaires of any other country in the world.
I rarely see police (traffic cops only) and can roam the streets late at night and feel safe in the big cities.
Am I pro China...I am just stating my observations.
The opportunities for entrepreneurs their supported by the government is huge.
Mark
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 19, 2017, 01:41:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLJaswIesZg


The USA aircraft carrier never sailed towards North Korea.


Possible war will not happen.



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 19, 2017, 10:18:47 AM

 Public Investor Forum

When someone has won the right to invest RMB1m from the Government, he will have to open his trading to the Public for all to learn. If he wins, he can return the RMB1m initial capital and keep the profits. If he loses, his experience will be treated as Knowledge for the Public.

For that to happen, every Public Investor will have a writer helper paid by the Government. The writer helper can be part-time. His job is to record the transactions and explain such on the Public Investor Forums. Each Public Investor will have a special thread describing his trading and the reason for such trades.

The Public can participate in such forums and thus learn and interact. China will soon have a massive army of knowledgeable investors or Economic War Troops.

The Physical Headquarters of the Forum can be in Zhuhai. Zhuhai is rated as the best place to live in China. The Physical Headquarters can be rented from the Zhuhai Government to adhere to the policy that houses are for living and not speculating. The trading can be in Hong Kong or Macau as some of the trading such as Forex, Commodity and many derivative trading are not allowed in China at present.

The Zhuhai-Macau-Hong Kong Bridge will be busy…
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 19, 2017, 03:41:01 PM


I shall go fishing again tomorrow. This time, I use the hedge capability.


The position is effectively frozen at -0.43 dollars. I do not need to worry about the rates going up or down. If I had used this technique, there would not be heavy losses due to margin call.


Glad that I used fake money. I had fun without any financial losses.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 21, 2017, 02:32:51 AM

Used the remaining fake money in the Plus500 account to bet on RMB increasing in value. The Sell rate was 6.8831. The reason for the bet is that:


1. China trades through its own Forex Exchange and can effectively control the rate.
2. China wants RMB to become an important Settlement and Reserve Currency. In order to do that, RMB has to be stable and slightly appreciating.
3. China wants to help US President to avoid labelling China as manipulating its currency to boost exports. A steady and appreciating RMB is the right policy.
4. Chinese Citizens will feel secure if the currency it holds is stable and appreciating.
5. The Economy of China is booming. The latest GDP figure in the first quarter was a better than expected 6.9%. There is no reason for RMB to depreciate.
6. The crocodiles cannot drain and profit from the Chinese Foreign Currency Reserve. Any more rumor on RMB devaluation is pointless.


There is actually a small daily positive premium in selling the RMB. Thus selling RMB and let it sleep for a few months is the right strategy? (It is fake money in any case.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 22, 2017, 10:08:26 AM

http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/China-to-build-massive-city-southwest-of-Beijing?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=msn-defaulthomepage&utm_term=524346 (http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/China-to-build-massive-city-southwest-of-Beijing?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=msn-defaulthomepage&utm_term=524346)
 
BEIJING -- China has decided to create a new metropolitan zone in Hebei Province as part of a broader plan to coordinate development of the area near Beijing and Tianjin.

The Xiongan project, overseen by President Xi Jinping, is "another new area of national significance after the Shenzhen Special Economic Zone and the Shanghai Pudong New Area," the Xinhua news agency reported in citing a circular issued by the Communist Party of China and the State Council. The Shenzhen and Pudong developments were initiated by past "core" leaders Deng Xiaoping and Jiang Zemin, respectively.
 
The past events in China show that Government initiatives can indeed create miracles. There will be many sure-win businesses. Examples of first wave sure-win businesses include construction companies; architecture firms; infrastructure builders etc. Examples of second wave sure-win businesses include banks; financial institutions; recreational organizations; hotels; restaurants; retail stores etc. These businesses will be planned by the Central Government. Then there will be much open competition allowing the private enterprises to take advantage of the foundation and opportunities offered.
 
Many speculators tried to jump in. The price of land and property jumped 5 times in one afternoon. The Government stopped all property transactions. Houses are for living and not for speculation. Government will be the landlord and all property will be rented to those who can contribute…
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 22, 2017, 11:14:16 AM
The one-belt-one-road conference in China will start on May 14, 2017.

Some of my proposals are:

1. Divide the Projects into long term and short term. The long term ones with no immediate returns will be funded by Governments. The short term ones will be funded mainly by the private sector.

2. Introduce relationship selling. Do not go for lowest cost producer scenario. Encourage the local populations to master technology, technology and technology. Help them to develop infrastructures and industries. Do not just build for them. Let them do much of the work.

3. Do not just sell Chinese Goods. Use Mutual Credits to build win-win scenarios. Tourism is definitely a good win-win scenario. The technique of rewarding Officials generously if they can help the population to get wealthy should be promoted.

4. Set up the Public Investor Mechanism in China and elsewhere with emphasis on helping the economy of one-belt-one-road nations.

5. Identify opportunities for food security, health, education and remote monitoring of production and businesses. Introduce the best methods and technology. Do not rely on subsistence farming or inefficient handicraft industries to keep employment.

6. Encourage the Developing Nations to send Officials and Students to travel and work in China to witness the China speed first-hand. Heavily promote the win-win concept - if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help other Nations rich. (Contrast the win-lose philosophy of keeping other Nations poor and backward so that they will not be a threat.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 22, 2017, 11:33:25 AM

The one-belt-one-road conference in China will start on May 14, 2017.

Some of my proposals are:

1. Divide the Projects into long term and short term. The long term ones with no immediate returns will be funded by Governments. The short term ones will be funded mainly by the private sector.



For example, dams, roads, bridges or high speed rails may take many years and may not make a profit. Let Governments print thin-air money to cater for such projects. Short term projects such as building hotels, residential buildings, shopping centers, entertainment centers can be left to the private sector.


However, some innovative ideas should be discussed. For example, the new Special Economic Zones may solve the traffic problems with North-South traffic in one elevated level and East-West traffic in another level. The heavy cargo traffic can use ground level with the traditional traffic lights etc. The stations can be integrated into the buildings...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 22, 2017, 09:47:49 PM

 
The one-belt-one-road conference in China will start on May 14, 2017.
 
 Some of my proposals are:
 
 2. Introduce relationship selling. Do not go for lowest cost producer scenario. Encourage the local populations to master technology, technology and technology. Help them to develop infrastructures and industries. Do not just build for them. Let them do much of the work.
 
 

This is an important step in helping a poorer Nation to develop. It is like helping the restaurant of a relative. The food and service of the restaurant may not be good. But one still dine in the restaurant to support the relative. One may give suggestions for improvement. One may put in additional investment. One may recommend chefs. One may suggest special dishes. But the actual dining in the restaurant is the key. Let the relative earn money while he improves the restaurant.

An example of relationship selling is to buy clothes from Nation B at a generous price. The style and brand have abstract value. The cost of the cloth and the cutting may cost X dollars. The style and brand may be worth many times X. (I have clothes costing less than HK$30 and also clothes costing more than HK$1,000. I also have clothes that I seldom wear.)


In relationship selling, Nation A deliberately let Nation B make money to develop its capability. At the same time, help Nation B to learn the technology, technology and technology. Get Nation B to use the best machines, the best production methods and best management. Go to the extreme of buying some as gifts to senior citizens? Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality – everything is third class, you should turn it to second or first class.

This is best done in a bilateral arrangement.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 22, 2017, 10:17:00 PM

The one-belt-one-road conference in China will start on May 14, 2017.

Some of my proposals are:

3. Do not just sell Chinese Goods. Use Mutual Credits to build win-win scenarios. Tourism is definitely a good win-win scenario. The technique of rewarding Officials generously if they can help the population to get wealthy should be promoted.



One criticism in the present setup is that many Nations found their local manufacturing industries were no match against the cheap and better quality Chinese goods. Many local jobs were lost. The one-belt-one-road was not win-win but win-lose. The Mutual Credit agreements can be set up with State and Private involvement to overcome that.

For example Nation A and Nation B enter into a Mutual Credit agreement. The richer Nation A provides X dollars of its currency to Nation B so that Nation B can develop Infrastructures with help from the Companies of Nation A without incurring any debt. Nation A receives the equivalent amount of X in the currency of Nation B. Nation A can be generous in relationship selling. Nation A can invest heavily in the special economic zones of Nation B.

The setup requires much Government and Private interaction. Normally, Government Officials have the tendency of - "do more may make more mistakes; do less may make less mistakes; do nothing makes no mistakes". The Chinese Model of encouraging some Officials to become rich as examples to the villagers in his area should be considered...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 22, 2017, 10:39:24 PM

The one-belt-one-road conference in China will start on May 14, 2017.

Some of my proposals are:

4. Set up the Public Investor Mechanism in China and elsewhere with emphasis on helping the economy of one-belt-one-road nations.



With State Planning and Control, many opportunities will be overlooked. For example, a village may be producing oranges but not grapefruits. State Planners are likely to treat the village as orange producer only as that is easier to manage. Opportunity to produce grapefruits may be overlooked.


With Public Investors helping to spot entrepreneurs and opportunities, much more Meaningful Economic Activities can be generated. Not only the wealthy can participate in the investing but those eager to seek opportunities will get involved. With remote monitoring of model farms, restaurant franchises, retail stores, factories etc, successes in one district can be quickly copied. There will be no lack of investment for worthwhile projects.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 23, 2017, 02:37:05 AM

 Relationship Selling
 
 This is an important step in helping a poorer Nation to develop. It is like helping the restaurant of a relative. The food and service of the restaurant may not be good. But one still dine in the restaurant to support the relative. One may give suggestions for improvement. One may put in additional investment. One may recommend chefs. One may suggest special dishes. But the actual dining in the restaurant is the key. Let the relative earn money while he improves the restaurant.
 
 An example of relationship selling is to buy clothes from Nation B at a generous price. The style and brand have abstract value. The cost of the cloth and the cutting may cost X dollars. The style and brand may be worth many times X. (I have clothes costing less than HK$30 and also clothes costing more than HK$1,000. I also have clothes that I seldom wear.)
 
 
 In relationship selling, Nation A deliberately let Nation B make money to develop its capability. At the same time, help Nation B to learn the technology, technology and technology. Get Nation B to use the best machines, the best production methods and best management. Go to the extreme of buying some as gifts to senior citizens? Introduce the Super Silicon Valley Mentality – everything is third class, you should turn it to second or first class.
 
 This is best done in a bilateral arrangement.
 

Comment:
Relationship selling is not fair trade. If Nation A can produce steel cheaper than Nation B, the logical way if for Nation C to buy from Nation A. With relationship selling, Nation C may buy from Nation B instead. It destroys the incentive to be the most efficient, the most cost effective producer. The World will plunge into chaos.

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Any concept carried to its extreme will have bad effects. The main goal of Relationship Selling is to help a poorer Nation develop faster. It is given a hand in developing an industry it desires. If it feels that producing steel is important for its future, a friendly Nation can buy some of its steel at a higher than Market price. The concept of “cut-throat” to be the lowest cost producer has been carried too far. China benefited from the increased Meaningful Economic Activity. In some fields, it is becoming the monopoly. That hinders the development of other Nations in these fields. Appropriate Relationship Selling is a solution.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 23, 2017, 03:01:07 AM
 Comment:
 
The one-belt-one road initiative is a win for China. China can dump its excess production on other Nations. The free trade is actually biased. China can sell much more. China buys the irreplaceable resources such oil and gas from the one-belt-one-road Nations. The infrastructures such as roads, bridges, high speed rails help China more than the other Nations.
 
Reply to comments:
 
In the win-win concept, sometimes one side wins more than the other side. But the goal for both sides is to increase the Meaningful Economic Activities. The new philosophy is State Capitalism. That combines the advantage of State Planning in pumping out thin-air money in the appropriate direction to help its citizens rich and the use of money as incentive to get the citizens more active and productive.
 
The one-belt-one-road initiative does not care about the political system of other Nations. It is voluntary participation. It will be combined with many other concepts such as relationship selling, mutual credits, working via Internet Forums and win-win. The projects are open to all members of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB). It is a departure from the bad philosophy of – a rich Nation will keep other Nations poor and backward so that they will not be a threat to its wealth. The new philosophy is – to become rich and remain rich, one helps others to become rich.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 23, 2017, 03:33:21 AM

 
The one-belt-one-road conference in China will start on May 14, 2017.
 
 Some of my proposals are:
 
 4. Set up the Public Investor Mechanism in China and elsewhere with emphasis on helping the economy of one-belt-one-road nations.
 

One of the sayings in China is – a worker will not rise above others in society. This comes from the Chinese word for workers (工人). The horizontal line stops the vertical line. Making money via working is limited. Using money to make money has no bounds. None of the billionaires in China (or elsewhere) got their wealth via working for others.


The Public Investor technique allows any individual to participate in the investment industry. They can compete using fake money to horn their skills. They can help entrepreneurs with their skills in legal, accounting, computer, relationships etc.


Some of the Public Investors and Funds will be directed specifically towards the one-belt-one-road short term projects. The excess capital does not need to go to gambling on derivatives or junk bonds. The excess capital can go towards the win-win and sure-win projects. When Governments can print thin-air money, sure-win projects will be plentiful. A Nation with excess production capability and technology does not need to cut back. It can help other Nations to become rich. Individuals such as Public Investors will also help to spot and create the opportunities.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 23, 2017, 10:52:39 AM
The one-belt-one-road conference in China will start on May 14, 2017.

Some of my proposals are:

5. Identify opportunities for food security, health, education and remote monitoring of production and businesses. Introduce the best methods and technology. Do not rely on subsistence farming or inefficient handicraft industries to keep employment.



Knowledge and technology are the keen ingredients for modernisation. Some traditional ways will need to change. For example, the nomadic way of life in Mongolia is likely to change. Citizens will enjoy electricity and running water. The herds will be better off with feeds going to them. The shelters will keep the herd safe against the bitter cold in winter.   With modern communication, it is no longer a case of "living off the surrounding". It is a case of what the society can offer. The society in this case is the Many Nations along the one-belt-one-road or members of AIIB.


With remote monitoring, what happens in remote places can be seen as easily as nearby sites. Necessary actions can be taken. Putting more resources to enrich the lives of people in remote or harsh climate places is within the capability of the getting richer Nations. China can guarantee that all its citizens will be removed away from poverty by 2020. The same guarantee can happen to all Human Beings in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 23, 2017, 11:21:30 AM
The one-belt-one-road conference in China will start on May 14, 2017.

Some of my proposals are:

6. Encourage the Developing Nations to send Officials and Students to travel and work in China to witness the China speed first-hand. Heavily promote the win-win concept - if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help other Nations rich. (Contrast the win-lose philosophy of keeping other Nations poor and backward so that they will not be a threat.)


The best way to learn is actual experience. Hearsay is propaganda. Seeing is reality. Working to acquire the technology and skill is gold. The roads and other infrastructures facilitate such exchanges. Many in the West still doubt the win-win strategy of one-belt-one-road. Many still claim the one-belt-one-road is a form of Colonialism. A journey on the hifh speed rail; a visit to the shopping malls; a meal in the nice restaurants etc. will change that view. (Should also experience the traffic jams, breath the polluted air to avoid the mistakes...)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 23, 2017, 11:32:38 AM
One other topic that should be discussed in the one-belt-one-road conference is Currency Pegging


China now knows how to control its currency exchange rate without draining its Currency Reserve. That knowledge should be shared.


In particular, when China enters into Mutual Credit or Bilateral Agreements, Currency Exchange Rate will be an important issue. China can encourage many developing Nations to peg to the RMB. The RMB will be stable and appreciating appropriately. The elements of Settlement and Reserve Currency are there. China will not send crocodiles to attack the currency of other Nations.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 23, 2017, 09:53:17 PM
The one-belt-one-road conference should talk about Globalization the new way.

China is helping the last group of its poor citizens to become prosperous. One technique it uses is to identify these groups and direct the Officials to get these targeted groups out of poverty. China can use the best Internet technology to monitor the progress.

In the past, there may be directive from the top. The directive will go through many levels. If any one level were incompetent or corrupt, the policy and help will not reach the targeted group. Now, the top Officials in Beijing can even drill down to the individual bank accounts of the targeted individuals. Elevating every citizen from poverty becomes a reality. Can China achieve that goal by 2020? The money is there. The will is there. The mechanism is there.

If China can do that to its citizens, can China introduce similar technique to the one-belt-one-road Nations? To become rich and remain rich, the best way is to help other Nations get rich...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 24, 2017, 03:10:43 PM

Future of the World


1. What will happen to the World if North Korea becomes a full Nuclear Power Nation similar to India or Pakistan? Will it start nuclear war?


2. In the long run, every Nation will gain knowledge, food security, technology, technology and technology. In other words, all Nations will become wealthy. Why should any Nation start wars to destroy that wealth?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 25, 2017, 12:11:37 AM

The one-belt-one-road conference should talk about Globalization the new way.

China is helping the last group of its poor citizens to become prosperous. One technique it uses is to identify these groups and direct the Officials to get these targeted groups out of poverty. China can use the best Internet technology to monitor the progress.

In the past, there may be directive from the top. The directive will go through many levels. If any one level were incompetent or corrupt, the policy and help will not reach the targeted group. Now, the top Officials in Beijing can even drill down to the individual bank accounts of the targeted individuals. Elevating every citizen from poverty becomes a reality. Can China achieve that goal by 2020? The money is there. The will is there. The mechanism is there.

If China can do that to its citizens, can China introduce similar technique to the one-belt-one-road Nations? To become rich and remain rich, the best way is to help other Nations get rich...


China can have additional University Graduated Officials to help the Village Officials to elevate the poorer citizens from poverty. These Graduates are rated on their success in fulfilling such goals. These Graduates have the advantage of better education, familiarity with Internet, youth and dedication. They can be innovative and/or copy the success of others.


One unadvertised advantage is that the Central Government is willing to give money to the poorer citizens. The Graduates just need to find a way. They can help to spot and participate in sure-win businesses.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 26, 2017, 12:03:04 AM
Experience in dummy trading via Avatrade.

The fake money amount is 100,000USD. The default trading is 1,000 or 1% of the initial amount. T he dummy account lasts only for one month. There is no premium charge.

The chance of a margin call is very low if only 1% were committed at any one time.

Choosing the right casi*o to have fun is important. When China forex trades via its own casi*o, it is not looking for fun. It is controlling its Currency Exchange Rate.

Gambling can be fun or addictive. Chinese citizens should focus their energy on building real economy both within China and along the one-belt-one-road. An occasional visit to Macau or Las Vegas to have fun is acceptable. China is not ready to have Forex or Derivative trading for its general population yet.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 27, 2017, 10:31:24 PM

Gwadar - The seaport in Pakistan as the link in the one belt one road.

Many in Pakistan want Gwadar to be developed like Shenzhen within 10 years - from a small 80,000 inhabitants to be a high tech and financial center with over many million citizens. Some plans are:
.
1. Do the grand city development plan to cater for 10 million people. Plan for commercial, residential, entertainment, academic, government zones.

2. Plan on the infrastructure projects such as water, electricity, gas,  traffic, internet facilities.

3. Plan on high rise buildings using pre-fabricated technology - a thirty-floor building in a few days. This can be a model for the rest of Pakistan.

4. The human traffic system can be North-South on one level and East-West on another level. Integrate this with buildings. Heavy traffic can use the ground level.

5. Do the Mutual Credit with China. Use the Chinese currency to build needed infrastructures and material. Encourage Chinese Companies to invest locally in Gwadar and train Pakistanis with Pakistan currency.

6. Establish a Gwadar University focusing on commerce and financial services. Aim to develop insurance, stock market, commodities and other financial trading. Encourage the students to use Internet commerce and internet learning as much as possible. All courses from primary to university can have an Internet version.

7. Use the mobile phone as the default wallet. The smart phone serves as phone, learning instrument, wallet, identity card, super democracy voting card, link to government services etc. Gwadar will be the high tech show place of Pakistan.

8. Encourage International Banks, Franchises, Chains to establish bases. Raise money in the Hong Kong Stock Exchange? Use the remote control and monitoring mechanisms well.

9. Start the Forums for ideas. Consider relationship selling, public investors and subsidized housing for the qualified talents.

10. Think of Gwadar as the model for the important ports in the one belt one road initiative.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 28, 2017, 06:55:36 PM

Gwadar - The seaport in Pakistan as the link in the one belt one road.

Many in Pakistan want Gwadar to be developed like Shenzhen within 10 years - from a small 80,000 inhabitants to be a high tech and financial center with over many million citizens. Some plans are:
.
1. Do the grand city development plan to cater for 10 million people. Plan for commercial, residential, entertainment, academic, government zones.

2. Plan on the infrastructure projects such as water, electricity, gas,  traffic, internet facilities.

3. Plan on high rise buildings using pre-fabricated technology - a thirty-floor building in a few days. This can be a model for the rest of Pakistan.

4. The human traffic system can be North-South on one level and East-West on another level. Integrate this with buildings. Heavy traffic can use the ground level.

5. Do the Mutual Credit with China. Use the Chinese currency to build needed infrastructures and material. Encourage Chinese Companies to invest locally in Gwadar and train Pakistanis with Pakistan currency.

6. Establish a Gwadar University focusing on commerce and financial services. Aim to develop insurance, stock market, commodities and other financial trading. Encourage the students to use Internet commerce and internet learning as much as possible. All courses from primary to university can have an Internet version.

7. Use the mobile phone as the default wallet. The smart phone serves as phone, learning instrument, wallet, identity card, super democracy voting card, link to government services etc. Gwadar will be the high tech show place of Pakistan.

8. Encourage International Banks, Franchises, Chains to establish bases. Raise money in the Hong Kong Stock Exchange? Use the remote control and monitoring mechanisms well.

9. Start the Forums for ideas. Consider relationship selling, public investors and subsidized housing for the qualified talents.

10. Think of Gwadar as the model for the important ports in the one belt one road initiative.

In the past, when a Nation got more developed, more powerful and militarily strong, it would expand and conquer other Nations. Its progress and wealth brought suffering to others.

The one-belt-one-road initiative is a new direction. When China becomes wealthier, technically more advanced, it helps other Nations to become rich. It uses its spare capacity to help other Nations to build infrastructures. It prints thin-air money to provide the capital. It does not use force to impose its ways. It builds and maintains its wealth by helping other Nations rich. This win-win philosophy should be heavily promoted.

Japan is following similar paths. It is helping India and Indonesia with capital (thin-air money) and technology to "compete" with China. This is actually win-win for the World.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 29, 2017, 12:40:14 AM


In the past, when a Nation got more developed, more powerful and militarily strong, it would expand and conquer other Nations. Its progress and wealth brought suffering to others.

The one-belt-one-road initiative is a new direction. When China becomes wealthier, technically more advanced, it helps other Nations to become rich. It uses its spare capacity to help other Nations to build infrastructures. It prints thin-air money to provide the capital. It does not use force to impose its ways. It builds and maintains its wealth by helping other Nations rich. This win-win philosophy should be heavily promoted.

Japan is following similar paths. It is helping India and Indonesia with capital (thin-air money) and technology to "compete" with China. This is actually win-win for the World.

Comment:

China is turning the building of Infrastructures from "art" into "science". The model farms, villages, malls, factories, cities etc. provide the knowledge and experience for others to replicate and improve.  It is like Ford producing the factory production line. Previously, a city must grow or evolve slowly. The growth is determined by many unknown factors. It can be compared to an artist painting a large picture. He may have the final picture in his mind. In the painting process, he may keep changing and innovating.

China is turning that into a copying process. The copying group just look at the final picture and replicate. The various models provide the building blocks. The copying process is much easier and faster. There may be some modifications but the departures from the models are usually minor.

China can defeat the Currency War Weapon that destroyed the USSR and the Asian Miracle. Its strategic thinkers see the whole world as their "playing field". To become rich and remain rich, the best strategy is to help to get other Nations rich.


My strategic thinking is to have two camps competing to help Developing Nations develop. One camp is USA and allies. The other camp is China+Russia and allies.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 29, 2017, 08:40:49 AM
What would I say to the one-belt-one-road participating Nations.

1. To the Developed Nations:

Use your knowledge and spare production capacity well. Knowledge has the unique property that the more you give away, the more you will have. One way to deal with spare production capacity is to cut back. That will mean loss of jobs and incentive to develop better. Use that spare capacity to help Developing Nations. Forget the "return on investment" ROI principle. Capital or money can be created from thin-air. Much of the so called investment in the Financial Market is games - gambling on Forex, derivatives, junk bonds etc.

2. To the Developing Nations:

The key to development is technology, technology and technology. Technology can be learned. In the past, Developed Nations came to your Country to rob resources or make you as slaves. Now, a new game is in town. The Chinese Model is - to become rich and remain rich, the best strategy is to help other Nations rich. Consider the opportunities offered via the one-belt-one-road initiative. Learn the technology well. Learn to design and build infrastructures. Learn to use your resources well. Learn the win-win strategy of trading. Learn the super silicon valley mentality - all the things from the Developed Nations are actually third class. It is your duty to turn them into second or first class. You can do it.

Can you use modern agricultural techniques to achieve food security? Can you use Internet to pass knowledge to your citizens? Can you copy and improve on the infrastructure building techniques? Can you stop the fighting within your Nation? Can you set up Special Economic Zones to invite other Nations to make money to achieve win-win? Can your universities put educational courses (or translate them) on the Internet? Can you use mobile phones to achieve banking, super democracy? Can you understand Mutual Credits, Relationship Selling, Public Investors and win-win? Can you overcome the inferiority complex?

Compare the Capitalism, Communism and the State Capitalism models. Study the progress of Singapore and China. Look at the progress in Ethiopia. If Ethiopia can do it, can you do it? Do not go for subsistence farming or manufacturing. Adopt the best technology, technology and technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 29, 2017, 10:37:52 PM
What would I say to the one-belt-one-road participating Nations.

1. To the Developed Nations:

Use your knowledge and spare production capacity well. Knowledge has the unique property that the more you give away, the more you will have. One way to deal with spare production capacity is to cut back. That will mean loss of jobs and incentive to develop better. Use that spare capacity to help Developing Nations. Forget the "return on investment" ROI principle. Capital or money can be created from thin-air. Much of the so called investment in the Financial Market is games - gambling on Forex, derivatives, junk bonds etc.


Comment:

Tseung, you have violated the cardinal principle of "Return On Investment". The whole Capitalism Philosophy relies on Return On Investment. No private enterprise will go into large non-profit making ventures. It is simply not sustainable.

You are saying that a Nation can go into non-profit making ventures because it can print thin-air money. This violates the principles of economics. The printing of money represents debt. The debt must be repaid by us or by our off-springs. No Banks, including the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, will loan to such projects. The shareholders or member Nations will not allow such foolish investment.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 30, 2017, 08:58:58 AM

 
Comment:
 
 Tseung, you have violated the cardinal principle of "Return On Investment". The whole Capitalism Philosophy relies on Return On Investment. No private enterprise will go into large non-profit making ventures. It is simply not sustainable.
 
 You are saying that a Nation can go into non-profit making ventures because it can print thin-air money. This violates the principles of economics. The printing of money represents debt. The debt must be repaid by us or by our off-springs. No Banks, including the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, will loan to such projects. The shareholders or member Nations will not allow such foolish investment.
 

You are correct in saying that private enterprises will not go into large non-profit making ventures. Private Enterprises use profit as their life-blood. They may use a little bit as charity to boost their image. They will never allow their life-blood to be drained.

There is a misconception that the thin-air money printed by a Nation is a debt that must somehow be repaid. Money is an instrument by a Government that is accepted by its citizens as a means of exchange of goods and services. The real value behind money is the goods and services that can bring prosperity to the citizens. When there are more goods and services, more money is required. In order for the citizens to be rich (or own more money), a Government must issue more money. If the Government over-prints, there will be unsustainable inflation. Citizens will lose confidence in the money they hold. Thus a Government must maintain that trust and control the rate of printing or use some other means to maintain that trust. One way of maintaining trust is to keep increasing the goods and services.

China traditionally produces much goods and services for export. It receives paper money as foreign currency reserve. The foreign currency reserve is supposed to buy or import goods and services from the other trading Nations. Thus having a surplus of foreign currency reserve is generally considered a good thing. However, blindly increasing the reserve means giving away one’s goods and services for thin-air paper money. Worse, if the reserve were drained or gambled away via Forex trading etc, all the hard work in producing the goods and services would be wasted.

The concept of waste should also be examined from a different angle. If a Nation gains knowledge and technology in providing the goods and services (and maintaining employment), that process can be regarded as producing more Meaningful Economic Activities. China is finding it more difficult to identify Meaningful Infrastructure Projects within China. It can cut back. But many other Developing Nations need the infrastructure projects.

Would it be nice to exchange such infrastructure projects for something? But if the other Nations have nothing meaningful to exchange, what should China do? The one-belt-one-road initiative tackles this problem by helping other Nations rich (or capable of producing more goods and services). The Chinese saying is “if one wants to be rich, first build a road”. That concept worked wonders for China. The road covers all infrastructure projects such as roads, bridges, high speed rails, airports, seaports, dams, electricity power, internet etc. It is the communication that will identify the opportunities to get rich.

Printing money within a Nation is not a debt. The citizens are the lenders and the recipients. The question is – what are the Meaningful Economic Activities that will be generated.

When other Nations hold one’s paper money in form of treasury bills, they basically accept to receive the principal and interest back as more paper money. If they do not like that, they will have to use that paper money to buy goods and services. That is likely to stimulate more Meaningful Economic Activities for the paper issuing Nation.


Modern Wealth is the quantity and quality of Meaningful Economic Activities.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 30, 2017, 07:58:49 PM

Gwadar - The seaport in Pakistan as the link in the one belt one road.

Many in Pakistan want Gwadar to be developed like Shenzhen within 10 years - from a small 80,000 inhabitants to be a high tech and financial center with over many million citizens. Some plans are:
.
1. Do the grand city development plan to cater for 10 million people. Plan for commercial, residential, entertainment, academic, government zones.

2. Plan on the infrastructure projects such as water, electricity, gas,  traffic, internet facilities.

3. Plan on high rise buildings using pre-fabricated technology - a thirty-floor building in a few days. This can be a model for the rest of Pakistan.

4. The human traffic system can be North-South on one level and East-West on another level. Integrate this with buildings. Heavy traffic can use the ground level.

5. Do the Mutual Credit with China. Use the Chinese currency to build needed infrastructures and material. Encourage Chinese Companies to invest locally in Gwadar and train Pakistanis with Pakistan currency.

6. Establish a Gwadar University focusing on commerce and financial services. Aim to develop insurance, stock market, commodities and other financial trading. Encourage the students to use Internet commerce and internet learning as much as possible. All courses from primary to university can have an Internet version.

7. Use the mobile phone as the default wallet. The smart phone serves as phone, learning instrument, wallet, identity card, super democracy voting card, link to government services etc. Gwadar will be the high tech show place of Pakistan.

8. Encourage International Banks, Franchises, Chains to establish bases. Raise money in the Hong Kong Stock Exchange? Use the remote control and monitoring mechanisms well.

9. Start the Forums for ideas. Consider relationship selling, public investors and subsidized housing for the qualified talents.

10. Think of Gwadar as the model for the important ports in the one belt one road initiative.


Comment:


It does not need to be Gwadar. Any City (old or new) can do the above.


Tseung, your most interesting post is that China can Forex Trade via its own Forex Exchange and save trillions of Foreign Currency Reserve.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on April 30, 2017, 11:08:44 PM

7. Use the mobile phone as the default wallet. The smart phone serves as phone, learning instrument, wallet, identity card, super democracy voting card, link to government services etc. Gwadar will be the high tech show place of Pakistan.


Tseung, China is actually very backward in moving along the ground or ocean. The fastest transport is via air. That is why USA is not interested in the one-belt-one-road initiative.

In reality, there is no need to travel all the time. Communication via the Internet is cheap, efficient and convenient. It also saves energy. USA controls the air transport and the Internet industries. Why should it waste its time on the not very Meaningful Economic Activity of Land Transport?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 05, 2017, 02:11:29 PM


Comment:

It does not need to be Gwadar. Any City (old or new) can do the above.

Tseung, your most interesting post is that China can Forex Trade via its own Forex Exchange and save trillions of Foreign Currency Reserve.


If China can Forex Trade via its own Forex Exchange, how about USA? USA, UK, Australia, Canada, Singapore, Japan etc. have been doing that for decades. USA can effectively determine the exchange rate of the dollar.


It looks like a new order or a new set of rules will be introduced in the Foreign Currency Exchange field.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 06, 2017, 07:34:02 AM

 
7. Use the mobile phone as the default wallet. The smart phone serves as phone, learning instrument, wallet, identity card, super democracy voting card, link to government services etc. Gwadar will be the high tech show place of Pakistan.
 
 
 Tseung, China is actually very backward in moving along the ground or ocean. The fastest transport is via air. That is why USA is not interested in the one-belt-one-road initiative.
 
 In reality, there is no need to travel all the time. Communication via the Internet is cheap, efficient and convenient. It also saves energy. USA controls the air transport and the Internet industries. Why should it waste its time on the not very Meaningful Economic Activity of Land Transport?

The C919 China built commercial aircraft that can carry 190 passengers had a successful test flight yesterday. The expected order within China in the next 20 years is close to 6,000. Confirmed orders is 570 in the first batch. The plane is expected to commerce commercial flight in 2020 (best estimate). Many of the components are purchased internationally. As expected, China plans to have close to 100% China-made parts within a short time.

The joint development plane C929 with Russia is a much bigger version.

When Capital is not a problem (print thin-air money), the remaining problem of technology, safety, market etc. are relatively easy to solve. If the development of civil aircrafts contributes much to GDP, China will progress with the China Speed. The high speed rail industry started in China in 2007. Within 10 years, China has more high speed trains than the rest of the World combined. What is likely to happen to the Chinese aircraft industry in 2030?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 06, 2017, 02:20:26 PM


In the one-belt-one-road or the Asia infrastructure Investment Bank AIIB, one of the big problem is the many currencies. Can the Developing Nations peg their currencies to RMB? Let China fix the RMB exchange rate via its Forex Exchange?

This essentially pushes RMB to be the Settlement and Reserve Currency.

Some Nation must issue the thin-air capital to support the many projects. The logical choice is China as it is the proposer and the richest Nation in the one-belt-one-road initiative.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 06, 2017, 03:32:23 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-silkroad-summit-japan-idUSKBN17R0KH


Japan's ruling party heavyweight to attend China's New Silk Road summit in May 14,15.


Japan can print thin-air money too. Capital will not be a problem. Japan has technology, technology and technology. Developing Nations have a choice...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 07, 2017, 12:21:15 PM
Comment:


Tseung, you should watch the Chinese TV series - "In the Name of the People". It pointed out many interesting facts:


1. Chinese Officials are rated on their ability to increase GDP.
2. Infrastructure projects are easiest to contribute to GDP.
3. The chance of "legal corruption" is high in approving GDP projects.
4. The lazy Officials do much more harm to the economy.
5. Many Officials bring their relatives and friends to the gang. They look for loyalty.
6. Preventing corruption is very difficult - many anti-corruption Officials have dirty laundry.


The one-belt-one-road initiative will pump much more capital (thin-air money) into the World Economy. Will there be more "legal corruption"?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 07, 2017, 12:44:54 PM
Comment:


Tseung, you should watch the Chinese TV series - "In the Name of the People". It pointed out many interesting facts:


1. Chinese Officials are rated on their ability to increase GDP.
2. Infrastructure projects are easiest to contribute to GDP.
3. The chance of "legal corruption" is high in approving GDP projects.
4. The lazy Officials do much more harm to the economy.
5. Many Officials bring their relatives and friends to the gang. They look for loyalty.
6. Preventing corruption is very difficult - many anti-corruption Officials have dirty laundry.


The one-belt-one-road initiative will pump much more capital (thin-air money) into the World Economy. Will there be more "legal corruption"?


When a Government can print thin-air money, it can create sure-win businesses. For example, if a road were to be built, the workers need to eat and food must be delivered to the site. The Catering Company will become sure-win so long as it can deliver. An Official can approve such an "insignificant project". This is just a simple example. If one were the Catering Company, one could buy the food ingredients from one's relatives or friends...


The final judging is - can the road be built on time, within budget and contribute to GDP?


Hong Kong is stupid. It imprisoned its two top former Officials who fought the crocodiles... Now, nobody with capability wants to be in the Government. Are "lazy Officials" better - the Dr. Do Nothings. Can the Dr. Do Nothings drive the one-belt-one-road?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 07, 2017, 03:16:02 PM


When a Government can print thin-air money, it can create sure-win businesses. For example, if a road were to be built, the workers need to eat and food must be delivered to the site. The Catering Company will become sure-win so long as it can deliver. An Official can approve such an "insignificant project". This is just a simple example. If one were the Catering Company, one could buy the food ingredients from one's relatives or friends...

The final judging is - can the road be built on time, within budget and contribute to GDP?

Hong Kong is stupid. It imprisoned its two top former Officials who fought the crocodiles... Now, nobody with capability wants to be in the Government. Are "lazy Officials" better - the Dr. Do Nothings. Can the Dr. Do Nothings drive the one-belt-one-road?


Comment:

Tseung, when you go to a restaurant, you are interested in the result - is the food tasty; the service good; the price reasonable; is the experience enjoyable... You assume the kitchen is hygienic. The Cooks are healthy.

Citizens are similar. Does the Government help to provide a higher standard of living? Do we feel more secure? Do we see better hope for the future? Are the many problems solved or on the way to be solved?

Freedom of speech has the drawback of possibly promoting the negative. The Taiwan and Hong Kong Legco are now examples of inefficiency and waste. Meaningless debates are the norm...

The one-belt-one-road projects should focus on efficiency and passing on of technology, technology and technology. Use the China Speed. Get other Nation rich. Ignore the Nay Sayers. (Hong Kong Legco is now debating on providing its contribution to AIIB. There are no lack of Nay Sayers.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 07, 2017, 03:35:24 PM

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/07/china-april-fx-reserves-rise.html


China's April FX reserves rise, beating market expectations

China's foreign exchange reserves rose in April for a third straight month, beating market expectations, as capital controls and a pause in the dollar's rally helped staunch capital outflows.

Reserves rose $21 billion in April to $3.03 trillion, compared with an increase of $3.96 billion in March to $3.009 trillion.

***Has China mastered the trick of Forex Trading via its own Forex Exchange? If so, we shall see a controlled increase in Reserve from now on...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 08, 2017, 12:08:02 AM

 
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/07/china-april-fx-reserves-rise.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/07/china-april-fx-reserves-rise.html)
 
  China's April FX reserves rise, beating market expectations
 
 China's foreign exchange reserves rose in April for a third straight month, beating market expectations, as capital controls and a pause in the dollar's rally helped staunch capital outflows.
 
 Reserves rose $21 billion in April to $3.03 trillion, compared with an increase of $3.96 billion in March to $3.009 trillion.
 
 ***Has China mastered the trick of Forex Trading via its own Forex Exchange?[/font] If so, we shall see a controlled increase in Reserve from now on...

Now that China does not need to worry about an external financial attack, what should it focus on?

1.       Get every citizen out of poverty. Every citizen will have electricity, clean running water, shelter, food, education and opportunity. This means no matter where he lives in China, he will receive quality health care, Internet, Mobile Phone, transport and social service support. He will get help when disasters strike. The disasters may be natural such as Earthquake. The disasters may be on a more personal level such as car accidents.

2.       With Internet and Mobile Phones, China can virtually ensure that every Citizen will have a minimum standard of living. Citizens will not live under the fear of crime. Citizens will not fear an attack from other Nations.

3.       If China can guarantee the above for its citizens, can it extend similar guarantees to other Nations in the coming future? Is that true Globalization?

The USA model of Globalization is to act as World Policeman; make sure no new Nations will acquire Nuclear Weapons; encourage Nations to compete as the lowest cost producer; use military and financial weapons to dominate. Ensure the dominating position is not threatened. Start regional wars in the name of spreading Democracy. Sell weapons that cannot be used back on USA or allies. Keep some Nations backwards and poor via subsistence aid.

The China model of Globalization will have to be - every Human Being is born equal... Every Human Being will be treated as if he/she were a Chinese Citizen.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 08, 2017, 09:59:06 PM
The energy efficient society

1. In the modern era of Internet, how can a society be energy efficient and still enjoy a high standard of living?

2. The car carrying one person going to and from work carrying many thousand pounds is definitely polluting and not energy efficient.

3. Can the place of working be close to home? Can much of the work be done at home eliminating the need to go to the Office?

4. Can goods be ordered via the Internet eliminating the need for large warehouses and wastes of "expired food"?

5. Can basic services be available from within walking or bicycle distances? Can cars be shared?

6. Can Cities be like Hong Kong with efficient mass transit reducing the need of the individual motor car?

7. Can most news and information exchange be done electronically eliminating the need for paper?

8. Can food be dehydrated, refrigerated, canned or processed to prolong their life cutting down the need to keep transporting fresh products?

9. Can some Universities or Organizations work on such a model city?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 09, 2017, 09:52:57 PM


Ethiopia is an example of an African Nation making great economic progress. Its president is a Beijing University Graduate. It has intimate relationship with China.

Pakistan is becoming an example of a coming economic success. The following is from http://www.khaleejtimes.com/20170323/5476/khaleej-times-dubai-uae-pakistan-day-pakistan (http://www.khaleejtimes.com/20170323/5476/khaleej-times-dubai-uae-pakistan-day-pakistan)

Some of the most positive indicators as Pakistan struggles to overcome poverty are sustainability, political stability to a great extent and viable economic reforms. Moreover, low oil prices and an improvement to law and order has buoyed the economy to a great extent. The country is poised to have a prosperous economic growth as a couple of regional factors are coming to its rescue. Progress in the trans-regional energy networks and the international commitment to build a viable road infrastructure is acting as light at the end of the tunnel. Pakistan's geo-strategic location is unavoidable, and thus with peace settling in Afghanistan and relations normalised with Russia, India and Iran, Islamabad is set to reap benefits.

The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor is a game-changer, which is undisputedly acting as the biggest driving force spurring foreign investment. An investment to the tune of $50 billion from Beijing is unprecedented in the country's history, and has come at a time when it was in dire need of it. This new relationship has also strengthened strategic understanding between both countries, as it is now no more military-centric, or one that was meant to browbeat regional adversaries. The Chinese-led initiative will churn out a network of roads, railroads and energy infrastructure, including ports and dry docks, across the length and breadth of Pakistan. More than 40 projects have been identified under the $51 billion CPEC framework, out of which a staggering $35 billion will go to energy projects.

Likewise, the corridor that is being built from Kashgar to Gwadar will usher in renewed development and work opportunities for a country that is still underdeveloped in the realms of infrastructure, industry and communication. This is why CPEC is more of a nexus to which every country in the region wants to join, in an attempt to harvest the fruits of development and economic amalgamation in the region for the next generation.

At the macro-economic level, Pakistan has made immense progress irrespective of bottlenecks. Inflow of capital in the last few years has helped in the development of infrastructure, especially in the sectors of health, education and civic amenities. Foreign direct investment (FDI) has risen by five per cent, taking it to more than $800 million. China, the US and European Union are some of the major FDI stakeholders in the economy. The UAE is one of the most promising investors in Pakistan, pouring in more than $125 million. But taking into consideration the vastness of the country and disparity at hand, there is much that needs to be done in alleviating the poor.


*** Can China help to make other Nations rich?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 10, 2017, 11:32:47 PM


Can China help to make other Nations rich?


Can a private enterprise such as Tencent be created?


Tencent Holdings Limited (Chinese (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language): 腾 (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E8%85%BE)讯 (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E8%AE%AF)控股有限公司; pinyin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin): Téngxùn Kònggǔ Yǒuxiàn Gōngsī; literally: "Soaring information"; SEHK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Stock_Exchange): 700 (https://www.hkex.com.hk/eng/invest/company/quote_page_e.asp?WidCoID=700&WidCoAbbName=&Month=&langcode=e)) is a Chinese investment holding company (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holding_company) whose subsidiaries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiaries) provide media, entertainment, payment systems, internet and mobile phone value-added services (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_service) and operate online advertising (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_advertising) services in China.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#cite_note-biobk-16) Its headquarters are in Nanshan District (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanshan_District,_Shenzhen), Shenzhen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhen).

Tencent is one of the largest Internet companies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Internet_companies), as well as the largest gaming company in the world.[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#cite_note-17) Its many services include social network (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network), web portals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_portal), e-commerce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-commerce), mobile games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_game) and multiplayer online games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplayer_online_game).[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#cite_note-CnOb-18) Offerings in China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China) include the well-known instant messenger Tencent QQ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent_QQ) and one of the largest web portals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_portal), QQ.com.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#cite_note-TC-19) Mobile chat service WeChat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeChat) has helped bolster Tencent's continued expansion into smartphone services. Tencent holds 15% stake of JD.com (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD.com), one of the largest B2C (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B2C) online retailers in China.

In April 13, 2015, the market value (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_value) of Tencent exceeded US$200 billion for the first time, hitting US$206 billion.[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#cite_note-20) On September 8, 2015, Tencent became the largest Internet company in Asia by value after Alibaba Group Holding Limited (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alibaba_Group) suffered a major drop ($141 billion over 10 months) in its share value.[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#cite_note-bloom-21)
In May 2017, Tencent's market value (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_value) grows to USD$309 billion, shortly after surpassing Wells Fargo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo) to enter the world's top 10 most valuable companies.[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#cite_note-22)[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#cite_note-23)[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#cite_note-24)

Tencent has been actively investing in numerous companies and start-ups, creating a huge portfolio of investment, ranging across multiple industries and areas.[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#cite_note-25)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: tonygiang on May 11, 2017, 03:25:40 AM
Hi All!
I want short tell of China that : you don't believe what they say, look what they did ! (The most polluted in the world ; The most dictatorial in the world ; The most fraudulent in the world;...)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 12, 2017, 10:00:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocQCe1DfJCY#t=1550.77 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocQCe1DfJCY#t=1550.77)

Solving the minority poverty problem.

When some of the thin-air money is directed to raising the standard of living of the minority races in China, miracles happen. There is now electricity, running water, internet reaching almost every household. There is no talk of financial return. The focus is - can we bring more prosperity and hope to our minority race brothers and sisters.

The one-belt-one-road initiative brings immerse development resources to the poorer West of China. The China speed is changing the landscape by the hour. When living standards show marked improvement, crime and hatred go down. China can now do that for all its citizens.

Can China do the same for the Citizens of other Nations? Can China pass the success stories and experiences? Can China warn against the bad effects of pollution, corruption and mismanagement? Can China show the leapfrog strategy of super democracy, mutual credits, super silicon valley mentality, relationship selling, meaningful economic activities and state capitalism? Can other Developing Nations master technology, technology and technology?

The one-belt-one-road summit will start in a few days (14, 15 May 2017). Will it bring more hope and prosperity to the Human Society? I sincerely hope so...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 13, 2017, 02:11:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyEHtfohWZc


新疆是个好地方 Xinjiang is a great place. It is one of the fastest developing areas in China. The living standards of minority races are increasing. Seeing is believing. Travel on the high speed trains. Live in the hotels with minority race characteristics. It is an important link in the one-belt-one-road.


When capital is not a problem, China can pour technology, technology and technology into Xinjiang. Internet helps greatly in the education. No citizens will live in poverty any more...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 13, 2017, 07:59:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2RA0eyAj4M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2RA0eyAj4M)

How to grow grass to feed sheep and cows without degrading the environment.

Scientific knowledge, expert help and machinery make all the difference. The industry can be sustained and the environment can be improved. Technology, technology and technology. Some techniques can be extremely easy - how to determine the grass is dry enough to be bundled. Such knowledge can be passed on - to other Nations...

Once the technology have been mastered, it is not only the local herdsmen but also large enterprises willing to enter into this business. Initial government help is important. Such government help include paying herdsmen not to graze; sending experts from Beijing; buying the best seeds from aboard etc.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 13, 2017, 12:09:51 PM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/us-makes-u-turn-to-drive-down-one-belt-one-road-initiative/articleshow/58652294.cms


US now participates in the one-belt-one-road initiative. What does it mean?


*** The proposal that two camps compete to bring prosperity to Developing Nations may fall on the right ears...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 13, 2017, 06:14:11 PM

Comment:


Tseung, I think your proposal of China Forex Trading via its own Exchange is the most important post. It is a game changer. Without that, the Western Economic Warriors will let the Peoples Bank .of China gamble away the few trillion dollars of foreign reserve. They will give the reason as China printing too much thin-air money or building too many ghost towns etc. China would have collapsed like USSR or the Asian Countries.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 14, 2017, 12:20:19 AM

I believe China and Mongolia have a Mutual Credit Agreement. Mongolia can use RMB to buy Chinese t goods and services. Mongolia has few manufacturing goods and relies much on imports. Thus the RMB is very valuable.


But what can China do with the equivalent Mongolia Currency. One goal is to make other Nations rich. Can China use the Mongolia Currency to build hotels, tourist attractions, internet, innovative buildings that are energy efficient? Can China help to export Mongolia products internationally? If two camps compete to get Developing Nations rich, Mongolia can be in the China+Russia Camp.
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China and Russia can set up Internet Forums to solicit ideas worldwide. Can there be winter sport facilities? Can there be sure-win businesses? Can there be educational tours? Can there be model farms, villages, towns and cities? Can there be joint exploration of Natural Resources? Can there be casi*os? Can grass and other vegetation grow to support herds in animal farms? What kind of technology can be introduced? Can there be exchange visits for Government Officials? If some Officials are trained and motivated to raise the standard of living of the Mongolian people, what will happen? What kind of sure-win businesses can be established by the private sector?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 14, 2017, 03:01:27 AM

I believe China and Mongolia have a Mutual Credit Agreement. Mongolia can use RMB to buy Chinese t goods and services. Mongolia has few manufacturing goods and relies much on imports. Thus the RMB is very valuable.

But what can China do with the equivalent Mongolia Currency. One goal is to make other Nations rich. Can China use the Mongolia Currency to build hotels, tourist attractions, internet, innovative buildings that are energy efficient? Can China help to export Mongolia products internationally? If two camps compete to get Developing Nations rich, Mongolia can be in the China+Russia Camp.

China and Russia can set up Internet Forums to solicit ideas worldwide. Can there be winter sport facilities? Can there be sure-win businesses? Can there be educational tours? Can there be model farms, villages, towns and cities? Can there be joint exploration of Natural Resources? Can there be casi*os? Can grass and other vegetation grow to support herds in animal farms? What kind of technology can be introduced? Can there be exchange visits for Government Officials? If some Officials are trained and motivated to raise the standard of living of the Mongolian people, what will happen? What kind of sure-win businesses can be established by the private sector?


One idea is to have a place in Mongolia as an International Tax Shelter. It may even have physical Forex Exchanges run by private and government enterprises. There can be luxury homes for the extremely wealthy and comfortable housing for the average citizens.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 14, 2017, 11:24:42 PM
Managing the one-belt-one-road initiative

1. The one-belt-one-road initiative involves many Nations, using many languages, having diverse cultures, involving different political and religious ideologies, covering different wealth and knowledge backgrounds, etc. Managing such a gigantic project properly will be a key.

2. Physical gathering in a conference setting such as that in Beijing on May 14, 15, 2017 is useful but cannot be done frequently. Can we use Internet Forums or Conferences to help to manage the project?

3. Can there be an Official website with multiple languages linking to many other sites?

4. Can there be three or more tiers of Forums? The lowest level is open to all. Any individual or organization can post. These Forums will be moderated by individual Nations or Academic Organizations. The next level is effectively a selection of worthwhile ideas as judged by the moderators. The first level ideas are distilled, enhanced and studied. The participants will be invited rather than open to all.

5. The third or higher level will be the distilled ideas worthy to be considered as project studies. These Forums will be linked to the Official Website and translated into multiple languages.

6. The Projects may be divided into long term, non-profit projects and short term, profitable projects. The long term, non-profit projects will be funded by Governments with thin-air money. The short term, profitable projects will be funded by the private sector either via Individual Companies or Investment Funds. With Government backing, there will be many sure-win businesses.

7. All on-going projects may be linked to the Official Website. Academic Institutions are encouraged to study, monitor and suggest improvements. News media are encouraged to dig out and promote the various worthwhile projects. They are welcome to point out any deficiencies or mistakes.

8. This adheres to the spirit of "planning together, working together and enjoying the fruits together". Instead of relying only on real conferences, we use virtual conferences also. The virtual conferences overcome the limitation of number of participants, time, space and evolving circumstances.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 16, 2017, 02:40:43 PM

 Subject: One belt one road thoughts

Dear all:

China has successfully run the Belt and Road Forum (BRF) in Beijing. The concept is moving into reality. The goal is plan together, work together and enjoy the fruits together. Real conferences help as they bring people together. But virtual conferences are more efficient.
http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg506442/#msg506442 (http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg506442/#msg506442)

There are many innovative concepts that will help the Belt and Road initiative. These include:
1.       If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, the best way is to help other Nations rich.
2.       Mutual Credit agreements can help a Developing Nation rich without incurring any debt.
3.       Super Democracy allows all voters to vote on important issues, avoiding the inefficiency of stupid democracy where some representatives deliberately stall policies.
4.       Capital (money) is never a scare resource. Governments must increase the money supply for citizens to become wealthy. But the process must be properly managed.
5.       China, or any other Nation, can Forex trade via its own Forex Exchange. It does not need to drain its foreign currency reserve to support the Exchange Rate.
6.       Knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will have. Hong Kong can help itself and the World by publishing and promoting Primary, Secondary and University Courses on the Internet. The cost is small compared to the benefits.
7.       Self-confidence of Individuals or Nations can be built via Super Silicon Valley Mentality.
8.      When Governments inject thin-air money, there can be many sure-win businesses. The one belt one road projects should be divided into long-term, non-profit making that will be funded by Governments. And short-term, profit making ones that can be funded by Individual Companies or Investment Funds.
 9.  There can be many Model farms, villages, cities, shopping malls, factories, hospitals, retirement centers to cater for the diverse environment of the one belt one road Nations.
10.       There should be relationship selling to overcome the drawback of forcing Nations to become the lowest cost producer.
 
Many of the above ideas are raised in the above thread at overunity.com. If Hong Kong can fund and start a virtual conference to support China in the one belt one road initiative, the Hong Kong Citizens will regain their self-confidence. A more harmonious society will be created…
 

Yours sincerely,
 

Lawrence Tseung
 

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 17, 2017, 01:50:43 AM

 Thoughts at the fishing pond

One of the ponds I go fishing raises salt water fish. Seawater is pumped in on a regular basis. The fishes grow fast and are healthy. I enjoying eating them.

Can we grow seaweed in such ponds? Can we pump seawater into deserts and grow food and fish? Can we use modern technology to turn some of the seawater into fresh water? Can we use solar and wind power more effectively and efficiently? If we can, what will happen to the deserts? Sahara desert may become much more valuable. Deserts have the property that few pests can survive?

Will the one-belt-one-road initiative cover such research? Is this a worthwhile project? Initially, the research may not be money making but success may be a game changer…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 17, 2017, 09:11:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHwuEqbUUQA


A very interesting discussion of how USA plans to slow down the progress of China.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 18, 2017, 05:42:44 PM

In the one belt one road initiative, the capital (money) is largely printed by China, will there be any negative consequences?

US prints money to support bonds and derivatives. The money flows down from Banks and other financial institutions. That gives Wall Street immense power and wealth. The percentage  directed to real human needs is small. Many of the elite see a larger number in their bank accounts.

China prints money to support Infrastructures within China first. It then supports Infrastructures in other Nations. The Citizens see real structures and feel real benefits. They experience an actual improvement in their standard of living.

Will China run out of meaningful projects to invest in? Will China and the rest of the World run out of Meaningful Economic Activities and have to copy the US act of investing in derivatives and numbers?

That day is far away. All Nations will be out of poverty by that time.

There will be much thin-air RMB printed. But the printing helps to generate Meaningful Economic Activities. If US does not do that role, China can and should take up that role. RMB will automatically become the Settlement and Reserve Currency. China knows how to Forex Trade via its own Forex Exchange and thus can define the RMB exchange rate without draining its Foreign Currency Reserve.

So far, I cannot see any negative consequences. China have the excess production capacity, the know-how to build infrastructures and the will to get other Nations rich. It stands on high moral grounds. It enjoys such a leadership role.

Will Wall Street be able to dream up another Economic War Atomic Bomb???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 18, 2017, 11:50:03 PM


 Using political instability as an Economic War Weapon?

In the one belt one road initiative, the capital (money) is largely printed by China, will there be any negative consequences?
 
 US prints money to support bonds and derivatives. The money flows down from Banks and other financial institutions. That gives Wall Street immense power and wealth. The percentage directed to real human needs is small. Many of the elite see a larger number in their bank accounts.
 
 China prints money to support Infrastructures within China first. It then supports Infrastructures in other Nations. The Citizens see real structures and feel real benefits. They experience an actual improvement in their standard of living.
 
 Will China run out of meaningful projects to invest in? Will China and the rest of the World run out of Meaningful Economic Activities and have to copy the US act of investing in derivatives and numbers?
 
 That day is far away. All Nations will be out of poverty by that time.
 
 There will be much thin-air RMB printed. But the printing helps to generate Meaningful Economic Activities. If US does not do that role, China can and should take up that role. RMB will automatically become the Settlement and Reserve Currency. China knows how to Forex Trade via its own Forex Exchange and thus can define the RMB exchange rate without draining its Foreign Currency Reserve.
 
 So far, I cannot see any negative consequences. China have the excess production capacity, the know-how to build infrastructures and[font=] the will to get other Nations rich. [/font]It stands on high moral grounds. It enjoys such a leadership role.
 
 Will Wall Street be able to dream up another Economic War Atomic Bomb???
 

What happens if an evil Nation funds political parties to deliberately destroy or stall the completion of Infrastructures?

For example, after a road has started construction, an opposition party can claim to support the affected citizens in saying that the compensation (for taking away their land) is not fair or insufficient. The construction of the road must stop. The project will be internationally promoted as a failure.

*** In the planning of the road, much meaningful economic activity is already created. The planning can be open to both local citizens and the International community via Internet forums. The planning can be compared with the “models”. The various aspects such as compensation to affected citizens, impact on environment, local employment, herds crossing the road, etc. would have been discussed.

The actual construction would have created real Meaningful Economic Activities for the Construction Company, the Workers, the material suppliers etc. Even if the construction of the road were delayed or stopped for some political reason, the project will be a learning experience for all. The project will not be a waste.

*** Some friends consider my posts in this thread as a waste. But I consider it as a contribution from an old man who can no longer do physical labor or pump in financial resources. I consider the posting as Meaningful Economic Activities. Projects that are sabotaged by politics can be seen in the same light. Hong Kong is having some such experiences - high speed rail may be turned to snail rail because of the issue of custom checking; Hong Kong-Macau-Zhuhai Bridge may be delayed by the problems at the Hong Kong end; housing construction went into problems because of some treating underused park areas as sacred...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 19, 2017, 02:29:33 PM

What should China do with the one belt one road initiative.


1. Create the website linking to the many level forums.


2. Show the progress on-line. Infrastructures can be seen.


3. Plan together. Promote the plans from other Nations.


4. Work together. Make sure technology is passed on.


5. Enjoy the results together. Do joint parties. Some parties can be on-line.


6. Promote the philosophy that if a Nation wants to be rich and remain rich, the best way is to help other Nations rich. Let the World see the increase in wealth...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 20, 2017, 09:37:02 AM
http://www.cp1897.com.hk/advanced_search_result.php?productName=%E5%A4%96%E5%8C%AF&author=&productISBN=&publisher=&category_Chi=1226&category_sub_Chi=all&category_Eng=all&df=all&series=&publishYear_From=&publishMonth_From=01&publishYear_To=&publishMonth_To=12&price_from=50&price_to=300&x=41&y=18 (http://www.cp1897.com.hk/advanced_search_result.php?productName=%E5%A4%96%E5%8C%AF&author=&productISBN=&publisher=&category_Chi=1226&category_sub_Chi=all&category_Eng=all&df=all&series=&publishYear_From=&publishMonth_From=01&publishYear_To=&publishMonth_To=12&price_from=50&price_to=300&x=41&y=18)


A friend asked: "Where can I look for Forex Books for beginners in Chinese?"


The above is a sample search result from a major Chinese Bookstore in Hong Kong.



In China, such searches are common. The traditional bookstores are meeting tough competition... In the one belt one road initiative, this new form of Internet trading is likely to dominate if China takes the lead...


A library search yields:
https://webcat.hkpl.gov.hk/lib/item?id=chamo:148230&fromLocationLink=false&theme=WEB

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 20, 2017, 12:18:43 PM

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-16/china-s-manhattan-sheds-ghost-town-image-as-towers-begin-to-fill


Ghost town disappearing???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 20, 2017, 10:01:57 PM

 The UFO Missile?

What happens if the Missile is disc shaped? On the way up, it can go in straight line. On the way down, it can spin and move in circular motion. On the way down, gravity will help to provide it with energy. The circular motion will make its path unpredictable. Anti-missile will be much more difficult. Circular motion can be created via thrusts in direction perpendicular to motion.

US, China and other advanced Nations have most likely mastered such technology. If not, they are working on it. There are many UFO sightings. Is it possible that some of them are man-made?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 20, 2017, 10:43:35 PM

 Mutual Credits and Sure-win Businesses

It is important to link these two concepts together. The poorer Nation B can purchase goods and services from the richer Nation A with the exchanged currency. The richer Nation A can help Nation B to become rich via the Sure-win Businesses. It has the currency of Nation B. It can easily persuade its investors to invest in Nation B. For example, it can fund a restaurant district and rent the restaurant sites out at a low rent. The chance of investors making money is very high. The investors need not all be from Nation A. Nation C, D, E, etc. are welcome to participate to provide the variety. Win-win to all Nations.

Introduce remote control and monitoring. Plan together, work together and enjoy together..
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 21, 2017, 03:06:45 AM

 
  Mutual Credits and Sure-win Businesses
 
 It is important to link these two concepts together. The poorer Nation B can purchase goods and services from the richer Nation A with the exchanged currency. The richer Nation A can help Nation B to become rich via the Sure-win Businesses. It has the currency of Nation B. It can easily persuade its investors to invest in Nation B. For example, it can fund a restaurant district and rent the restaurant sites out at a low rent. The chance of investors making money is very high. Investors need not all be from Nation A. Nations C, D, E, etc. are welcome to participate to provide the variety. Win-win to all Nations.
 
 Introduce remote control and monitoring. Plan together, work together and enjoy together..
 

For example, Mongolia is participating in the one belt one road initiative. It also has a Currency Exchange or Mutual Credit Arrangement with China. Mongolia is land-locked between Russia and China. Almost all its exports and imports must go via through these two Countries. It has few industries. How can the currency exchange be turned into win-win?

For example, a special economic zone to cater for tourism can be set up allowing Chinese Nationals to use the exchanged currency to invest in shopping malls, office buildings, tourist attractions, restaurants, science parks, conference centers, etc. The Chinese Government can use the exchanged currency to develop the zone and rent the restaurant sites at very low prices to all Nations. There will be variety of food and many daring individuals or companies will come. China can use the exchanged currency to run many conferences, student exchanges or tours. The control and monitoring mechanisms can be set up so that the Investors from different parts of the World can see daily activities and progress. The project can be turned to generate many sure-win businesses.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 21, 2017, 03:26:40 AM
 Comment on sure-win businesses:
 
Tseung, when I first heard the term – sure-win business – I thought that it was a joke.
I then understood that you were using Government printed thin-air money to help businesses to be profitable.
This is a revolutionary concept. In the times of Kings and Emperors, farmers paid some of their produce as tax.
Now, Governments give money to farmers to improve their standard of living or to prevent excess production.
The role of Governments has changed. Instead of collecting taxes, Governments help to generate Meaningful Economic Activities.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 21, 2017, 03:51:15 PM

Comment:

I always wonder where does China get the Money to build infrastructures for itself and for other Nations.

You gave the simple answer - print thin-air money.

Within China, the Infrastructure Builders accept RMB. Outside China, most of the Infrastructure Builders are also Chinese Companies, they obviously accept RMB. Will an European Nation such as UK accept RMB to build the Infrastructures for a third party Nation such as Ethiopia?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 21, 2017, 06:59:15 PM


 
Comment:
 
 I always wonder where does China get the Money to build infrastructures for itself and for other Nations.
 
 You gave the simple answer - print thin-air money.
 
 Within China, the Infrastructure Builders accept RMB. Outside China, most of the Infrastructure Builders are also Chinese Companies, they obviously accept RMB. Will a European Nation such as UK accept RMB to build the Infrastructures for a third party Nation such as Ethiopia?

 
China have learned the lesson. It is technology, technology and technology that is responsible for making a Nation rich. Capital (money) can be printed.

1.       The first thing to master is the technology to grow or get enough food for the citizens. Subsistence farming is NOT the answer. The answer is agricultural technology. With agricultural technology, the number of farmers can be greatly reduced.
2.       The second thing to master is the industrial technology. China accepted low wages and pollution. Let the investors make lots of money. Learn the technology. Improve on the process. China became the factory of the World.
3.       The third thing to master is to use thin-air money to build infrastructures. The technology must be there first. The early dam constructions and steel making were “tofu” engineering – use inefficient labor forces and non-scientific methods. After learning the real technology, employ the technology on a massive scale. Ensure the citizens see and enjoy the benefits.
4.       The fourth thing to master is the new technology such as Internet and mobile phones. Focus on innovation.
5.       The present stage is to carry out the philosophy of “getting rich and remaining rich by helping others rich”. For China, technology and capital are no longer scare resources. Both have the property that the more you give away, the more you will have.
6.       There is no need to follow the Western Economic Principle of Return on Investment. Treat the World as one Nation. Within a Nation, the government must ensure that every citizen has food, shelter, education, health and social benefits. Every citizen should be given opportunity to be the best he can be. With long term Globalization, all Human Beings are treated as belonging to One Nation.
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 22, 2017, 06:37:04 AM



 
China have learned the lesson. It is technology, technology and technology that is responsible for making a Nation rich. Capital (money) can be printed.

1.       The first thing to master is the technology to grow or get enough food for the citizens. Subsistence farming is NOT the answer. The answer is agricultural technology. With agricultural technology, the number of farmers can be greatly reduced.
2.       The second thing to master is the industrial technology. China accepted low wages and pollution. Let the investors make lots of money. Learn the technology. Improve on the process. China became the factory of the World.
3.       The third thing to master is to use thin-air money to build infrastructures. The technology must be there first. The early dam constructions and steel making were “tofu” engineering – use inefficient labor forces and non-scientific methods. After learning the real technology, employ the technology on a massive scale. Ensure the citizens see and enjoy the benefits.
4.       The fourth thing to master is the new technology such as Internet and mobile phones. Focus on innovation.
5.       The present stage is to carry out the philosophy of “getting rich and remaining rich by helping others rich”. For China, technology and capital are no longer scare resources. Both have the property that the more you give away, the more you will have.
6.       There is no need to follow the Western Economic Principle of Return on Investment. Treat the Wntrorld as one Nation. Within a Nation, the government must ensure that every citizen has food, shelter, education, health and social benefits. Every citizen should be given opportunity to be the best he can be. With long term Globalization, all Human Beings are treated as belonging to One Nation.ilding t


The most important thing is to build the confidence that technology can be learned.


1. Can Pakistan learn the Road Building technology? Can Pakistan be a subcontractor first?
2. Can Philippines learn the Bridge and Tunnel Building technology? It needs to link its many islands.
3. Can Ethiopia learn the dam building technology? It has vast water resources.
4. Can Hong Kong master super democracy? It has one of the fastest internets in the World.
5. Can Malaysia master Forex exchanges? It suffered in the Asian Financial Crisis.
6. Can China with the help of Russia, master the building of commercial aircraft?
7. Can Egypt be a master builder of pre-fabricated housing? It could build pyramids.


Can other Nations master the many models - model farms, model shopping malls, model cities, etc?
The Developing Nations will develop faster that way compared with China doing all the work...

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 22, 2017, 05:13:46 PM

Comment:


Talk is cheap. Most Nations will wait to see the actual results.


So far, the shining examples are Ethiopia and Pakistan.


There are now hundreds of actual projects. China is now pro-active. Many projects will show results by 2019 - the next BRF Conference.


Momentum will gather pace if a substantial number of these projects are successful.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 22, 2017, 09:01:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENZ7mUw36to (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENZ7mUw36to)

CPEC will receive 50 billion USD investment and generate over 2 million jobs in Pakistan.

Will there be stability? Will there be results within 2 years? Will it be a success story by 2019?

There is much planning being done. Money, technology and determination are there...

Gwadar will become a major port improving the energy route to China.

Will China make it a success? Can Pakistan and China together overcome all difficulties?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 22, 2017, 11:46:12 PM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENZ7mUw36to (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENZ7mUw36to)

CPEC will receive 50 billion USD investment and generate over 2 million jobs in Pakistan.

Will there be stability? Will there be results within 2 years? Will it be a success story by 2019?

There is much planning being done. Money, technology and determination are there...

Gwadar will become a major port improving the energy route to China.

Will China make it a success? Can Pakistan and China together overcome all difficulties?


Can the Pakistan Economy progress as fast as that of China in the next 15 years?

What will hold back the progress?

What are the sure-win businesses?

What are the model farms, shopping malls, cities, factories, etc?

What are the infrastructures and how can they be built quickly - power stations, dams, roads, airports, hospitals, universities, social services, high speed trains, financial institutions, internet, etc?

What kind of win-win examples can be shown? Will there be shining examples to show in 2019?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 23, 2017, 09:03:37 PM


 

 
 Can the Pakistan Economy progress as fast as that of China in the next 15 years?
 
 What will hold back the progress?
 
 What are the sure-win businesses?
 ;
 What are the model farms, shopping malls, cities, factories, etc?
 
 What are the infrastructures and how can they be built quickly - power stations, dams, roads, airports, hospitals, universities, social services, high speed trains, financial institutions, internet, etc?
 
 What kind of win-win examples can be shown? Will there be shining examples to show in 2019?
 

I would recommend pouring much more resources into Gwadar. One of the industries can be pre-fabricated Housing. Such housing can have air conditioning, fast internet connections, efficient home appliances etc. Such housing can be the showcase for Pakistan and demonstrate to all the Pakistanis what can be done. The plan can be even more ambitious to include modern transport (multi-level to avoid traffic jams?); integration of home and office; integration of home and factory; green environment; etc.

Get the Pakistan Universities involved. Stimulate the students and professors. Do not wait or hope for outside investors to bring in capital and technology in this effort. Capital (money) can be printed. Technology can be learned quickly. (China can build high rises in days with pre-fabricated housing.) Learn and improve. Let some parts of Pakistan get rich first. Make sure Gwadar have more than enough electricity, running water, hospitals, social and recreational facilities. Provide the image of super-city that can beat Singapore, Hong Kong, Shenzhen or Shanghai.

Do not just let citizens pour into Gwadar. Put in place screening policies. Tell all Pakistanis that this is a bold experiment and sacrifices must be made. Some may feel that it is unfair that they cannot move freely into a privileged city like Gwadar.

Get into the head of every Official in Gwadar that their career depends on the economic success of Gwadar. Learn from Singapore on how to prevent corruption. Set up the many models – model farms, model homes, model malls, model transportation, model factories, model financial centers etc. Introduce super democracy when ready. Introduce Internet Courses so that all Pakistanis will benefit. Introduce social service set ups so that there will not be slums. All sick, disabled or old will be well taken care of. There is likely to be jealousy from other cities. Tell them that it will be their turn later. Let them learn from the Gwadar experience…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 23, 2017, 10:48:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFMdk_OEaY4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFMdk_OEaY4)

The topic is related Chinese think tanks. One important thing pointed out was - tank as a weapon. Thoughts can be powerful weapons. USSR was destroyed by such weapons.

China almost lost the Currency War via stupidly trading in the Forex Exchanges of other Nations. Losing one trillion USD foreign reserve is a loss in the Global Economic Battle. Hopefully, the war is not lost yet...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 24, 2017, 02:20:40 AM

 

 Can the Pakistan Economy progress as fast as that of China in the next 15 years?
 
 What will hold back the progress?
 
 What are the sure-win businesses?
 ;
 What are the model farms, shopping malls, cities, factories, etc.?
 
 What are the infrastructures and how can they be built quickly - power stations, dams, roads, airports, hospitals, universities, social services, high speed trains, financial institutions, internet, etc.?
 
 What kind of win-win examples can be shown? Will there be shining examples to show in 2019?


Hong Kong and Pakistan can have a Mutual Credit exchange. The principal activity can be the setting up of Think Tanks targeted on the CPEC or One Belt One Road. Pakistan wants Gwadar to grow to be superior to Hong Kong. One path is to send Strategic Thinkers to study Hong Kong. The thinkers will study the Hong Kong Airport, the MTR, the container ports and the tourism attractions. They will also study the high speed rail, the Hong Kong- Macau-Zhuhai Bridge. They will study how the high housing prices boost the Hong Kong economy. They will study the stock market, the hospitals, the educational systems and the labor market. They will study how the domestic helpers from Thailand, Philippines, and Indonesia etc. helped Hong Kong.

They may also have similar arrangements with Singapore, Shenzhen and Shanghai. There will be much money involved. But that can be thin-air money from both sides. The activities can be classified as Meaningful Economic Activities.

The Strategic Thinkers from the Hong Kong Think Tanks can study and monitor the development in Gwadar and Pakistan. They will study the development model and compare it with other models. They will propose sure-win projects for both sides to achieve win-win. They will study the opportunities for the Hong Kong entrepreneurs in CPEC. They will show how Pakistan can control its own currency exchange rate and protect the financial attacks from the Sharks or Hedge Funds. They will help to set up the various model farms, malls, factories, restaurant or retail franchises, low cost housing, tourist attractions etc.

Both Hong Kong and Pakistan will gain confidence in such Think Tank Exchange Activities. Win-win.
 
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 24, 2017, 09:09:56 AM



Hong Kong and Pakistan can have a Mutual Credit exchange. The principal activity can be the setting up of Think Tanks targeted on the CPEC or One Belt One Road. Pakistan wants Gwadar to grow to be superior to Hong Kong. One path is to send Strategic Thinkers to study Hong Kong. The thinkers will study the Hong Kong Airport, the MTR, the container ports and the tourism attractions. They will also study the high speed rail, the Hong Kong- Macau-Zhuhai Bridge. They will study how the high housing prices boost the Hong Kong economy. They will study the stock market, the hospitals, the educational systems and the labor market. They will study how the domestic helpers from Thailand, Philippines, and Indonesia etc. helped Hong Kong.

They may also have similar arrangements with Singapore, Shenzhen and Shanghai. There will be much money involved. But that can be thin-air money from both sides. The activities can be classified as Meaningful Economic Activities.

The Strategic Thinkers from the Hong Kong Think Tanks can study and monitor the development in Gwadar and Pakistan. They will study the development model and compare it with other models. They will propose sure-win projects for both sides to achieve win-win. They will study the opportunities for the Hong Kong entrepreneurs in CPEC. They will show how Pakistan can control its own currency exchange rate and protect the financial attacks from the Sharks or Hedge Funds. They will help to set up the various model farms, malls, factories, restaurant or retail franchises, low cost housing, tourist attractions etc.

Both Hong Kong and Pakistan will gain confidence in such Think Tank Exchange Activities. Win-win.

Let us estimate how much Meaningful Economic Activities that can be generated with such a Mutual Credit arrangement.

Let us use the data from Hong Kong (I can get very good estimates with real data). The hotel cost will be HK$1,000 per day. The food and travel expenses will be HK$800. Conference, meetings and gifts will be HK$1,000. (To build good will and help to sell the products of a Nation, giving gifts is a good investment.) Miscellaneous expenses will be HK$200. Thus the cost of supporting a think-tank "scholar" is HK$3,000 per day or HK$90,000 per month. Let us round it up to HK$100K. If we exchange 10 scholars, the monthly cost is HK$1m. Such a sum is easily affordable especially done in a Mutual Credit arrangement basis.

How much can be done with an exchange of a 10 member think tank? We can assume a constant exchange and thus a monthly Meaningful Economic Activity of HK$1m. The think tank person is expected to be well educated, property trained and focused. He/she represents the best of a Nation. The good will and the opportunities discovered will be worth every dollar.

If Hong Kong has similar arrangement with 50 Nations, the money invested is only HK$50m per month. With a Mutual Credit arrangement, Hong Kong provides HK dollar to Nation A. Nation A  provides the equivalent of its currency to Hong Kong. If the money is not spent, it will be rendered useless. Thus the Meaningful Economic Activity is almost guaranteed.

On a person exchange basis, Hong Kong will have 500 top level think tank scholars constantly stationed outside Hong Kong to seek out opportunities for Hong Kong and to promote the image of Hong Kong.  No foreign currency reserve is drained... Plan together. Win-win.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 24, 2017, 11:47:24 PM

China Moderately wealthy by 2020?
 
The stated goal of China is to have all citizens moderately wealthy by 2020. What does that really mean?

1.       From before birth, there are health checks. Additional social services will be provided to the family.
2.       Proper care is taken at birth. Preferably at well-equipped hospitals. The minimum is properly trained mid-wives.
3.       Assigned social workers will visit babies – providing help if and necessary.
4.       Free education up to secondary school level. Every student will have access to Internet via personal computer or smart phone. State subsidies will be provided to ensure such facilities are available.
5.       University or higher education may be available on a competitive basis. The opportunity will be given to the successful competitors. However, continued Internet education is free and available to all.
6.       State Capitalism will try to provide opportunities for all. Citizens can work in Governments or in the private sector. Sure-win businesses will be created with the State providing thin-air money if appropriate.
7.       Every family is guaranteed shelter, electricity, running water, access to internet, health care, social services such as help during unemployment, re-training, disaster relief etc.
8.       Every adult will be able to participate in Super Democracy. They can participate in forums, select representative and vote on key issues via their PCs or Smart Phones.
9.       Every citizen will receive retirement benefits to ensure that they can enjoy a minimum standard of living when retired.

Will China be able to achieve that by 2020? At present, almost all homes have electricity, running water and access to Internet. Computer data can point to every family that may need help. Officials are judged on their ability to bring wealth to these families. The one belt one road initiative is opening vast opportunities outside China. The knowledge level is increasing at a rapid rate. Think Tanks are popping up everywhere. China will not drain another trillion of its foreign currency reserve from stupid Forex trading. That trillion can be directed towards one belt one road projects. If China can maintain peace, it can achieve the fast pace of economic growth.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 25, 2017, 02:03:09 PM


China Moderately wealthy by 2020?
 
The stated goal of China is to have all citizens moderately wealthy by 2020. What does that really mean?

1.       From before birth, there are health checks. Additional social services will be provided to the family.
2.       Proper care is taken at birth. Preferably at well-equipped hospitals. The minimum is properly trained mid-wives.
3.       Assigned social workers will visit babies – providing help if and necessary.
4.       Free education up to secondary school level. Every student will have access to Internet via personal computer or smart phone. State subsidies will be provided to ensure such facilities are available.
5.       University or higher education may be available on a competitive basis. The opportunity will be given to the successful competitors. However, continued Internet education is free and available to all.
6.       State Capitalism will try to provide opportunities for all. Citizens can work in Governments or in the private sector. Sure-win businesses will be created with the State providing thin-air money if appropriate.
7.       Every family is guaranteed shelter, electricity, running water, access to internet, health care, social services such as help during unemployment, re-training, disaster relief etc.
8.       Every adult will be able to participate in Super Democracy. They can participate in forums, select representative and vote on key issues via their PCs or Smart Phones.
9.       Every citizen will receive retirement benefits to ensure that they can enjoy a minimum standard of living when retired.

Will China be able to achieve that by 2020? At present, almost all homes have electricity, running water and access to Internet. Computer data can point to every family that may need help. Officials are judged on their ability to bring wealth to these families. The one belt one road initiative is opening vast opportunities outside China. The knowledge level is increasing at a rapid rate. Think Tanks are popping up everywhere. China will not drain another trillion of its foreign currency reserve from stupid Forex trading. That trillion can be directed towards one belt one road projects. If China can maintain peace, it can achieve the fast pace of economic growth.


At the fishing pond:

Fisherman: "Can China bring moderate prosperity to all its minority races?"

Tseung: "Yes. Special policies are taken to ensure that. Many of the minority race areas are turned to tourist spots. Special funding is provided. Every minority home has electricity, running water, internet (if not now, by 2020)"

Fisherman: "If China can do that, can it treat all Developing Nations as 'its minority races' and bring moderate prosperity to them all?"

Tseung: "Good idea. I never treat the problem that way. Capital (money) can be printed. Technology is already available. Knowledge can be given out with China gaining more in the process. Treat all Developing Nations as 'Minority Races in China' and bring moderate prosperity to all."

Win-win.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 25, 2017, 02:33:16 PM



At the fishing pond:

Fisherman: "Can China bring moderate prosperity to all its minority races?"

Tseung: "Yes. Special policies are taken to ensure that. Many of the minority race areas are turned to tourist spots. Special funding is provided. Every minority home has electricity, running water, internet (if not now, by 2020)"

Fisherman: "If China can do that, can it treat all Developing Nations as 'its minority races' and bring moderate prosperity to them all?"

Tseung: "Good idea. I never treat the problem that way. Capital (money) can be printed. Technology is already available. Knowledge can be given out with China gaining more in the process. Treat all Developing Nations as 'Minority Races in China' and bring moderate prosperity to all."

Win-win.


Can US, Japan, Russia bring moderate prosperity to all Developing Nations? Capital (money) can be printed. Technology has been mastered by these Nations. They can give away the knowledge and gain more.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 26, 2017, 08:44:51 AM
 

 Can US, Japan, Russia bring moderate prosperity to all Developing Nations? Capital (money) can be printed. Technology has been mastered by these Nations. They can give away the knowledge and gain more.

Tseung, as a West trained economist, I always thought that the growth rate of any Nation will slow down as it becomes developed. Europe, Japan, USA, Hong Kong all follow the same path. Once a Nation reaches overcapacity, it has to cut back. 
 
China is defying that phenomenon. It expands via the one belt one road. The expansion is not via military conquest. The expansion is via win-win. Thus the GDP of China can grow back at 10% and help other Developing Nations grow at a similar rate. They can use your concept of Mutual Credits and achieve win-win. The rate of GDP growth needs to slow down only after all Nations are developed…
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2017, 08:32:34 AM
 Moody’s downgrade of China
 
Economist A: “Will the downgrade affect the economic growth of China?”
 
Economist B: “No. China does not need to borrow money. It can print its own. Other Nations accept RMB eagerly. The one belt one road projects help the economic growth of China and many other Nations.”
 
Economist C: “After 2008, Moody’s and other foreign rating agencies lost their credibility. China is embarking on a new game. It Forex trades via its own exchange. There will no longer be drain on its Foreign Currency Reserve. RMB automatically becomes a strong settlement and reserve currency with the expansion of the one belt one road projects.”
 
Economist A: “So we just ignore Moody’s. I look forward to a steady appreciation of RMB.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2017, 11:42:19 AM

 
  Moody’s downgrade of China
 
 Economist A: “Will the downgrade affect the economic growth of China?”
 
 Economist B: “No. China does not need to borrow money. It can print its own. Other Nations accept RMB eagerly. The one belt one road projects help the economic growth of China and many other Nations.”
 
 Economist C: “After 2008, Moody’s and other foreign rating agencies lost their credibility. China is embarking on a new game. It Forex trades via its own exchange. There will no longer be drain on its Foreign Currency Reserve. RMB automatically becomes a strong settlement and reserve currency with the expansion of the one belt one road projects.”
 
 Economist A: “So we just ignore Moody’s. I look forward to a steady appreciation of RMB.”

Economist A: “Let us talk about Mutual Credits. If China gives X RMB to Nation A and Nation A gives the equivalent Currency A to China, no debt is incurred. Nation A can purchase the products and infrastructures from China. That will stimulate China’s economy. On the other hand, China can use Currency A to build residential buildings, malls, tourist areas, factories and explore minerals in Nation A. That will help Nation A to become wealthy. Such an act will serve as a very powerful engine of growth. Win-win.”
 
Economist B: “That means both China and Nation A will print more of their thin air money. Are there any bad consequences?”
 
Economist C: “ A Nation must increase it currency supply for its citizens to become wealth. The same applies to Nations. If the printing of thin air money is well managed, the act will indeed be a very powerful engine of development. If I were Nation A, I can use thin air money to build my needed infrastructures without incurring debt. I would gladly do so. If China uses my Currency A to help to bring prosperity (not inflation), I would get rich faster. Why not?”
 
Economist B: “If I were Nation A, I would focus on Internet and education. The key to getting rich is technology, technology and technology. I would encourage my people to learn, master and improve on technology. I would ask them to delay getting luxury goods.”
 
Economist A: “If Nation A pegs its currency to RMB, RMB and the pegged currency will have a mass far more than USD. Does that mean RMB will be the default settlement and reserve currency?”
 
Economist B: “China can forex trade via its own Forex Exchange and thus define any exchange rate independent of market forces. Now China is the number one trading nation. Soon it will be the number one investor nation. There will be no stopping it to becoming the largest economy in the World. Its GDP growth can easily be 10% again.”
 
Economist C: “USA, Japan or any other Nation can adopt the China strategy. Make other Developing Nations rich using its spare production capacity and know-how.”
 
Economist A: “If two camps (USA et al and China+Russia et al) compete to get Developed Nations rich, it will not take long to get all Nations developed. I would guess the time to be less than one generation.”
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on May 27, 2017, 01:07:15 PM
"If two camps"

I'm beginning to really like this camp I'm in
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2017, 01:17:46 PM
 Comment:
 
Tseung, with Mutual Credits, China essentially provides the funding and technology to build infrastructures for Nation A. There may not be any “Return On Investment”. The thin air money and labor may result in a road or bridge for Nation A. That road or bridge may not bring any direct benefit to China.
 
Such an act is a violation of economic principles. Economic principles state that there must be a return for any effort. Otherwise, the act would not be sustained. China may be able to do it once or twice but the citizens will soon object.
 
You are also assuming that China can use the thin air money from Nation A to generate wealth for Nation A and for itself. Such an assumption has no basis. It is high risk. US, Japan and other Developed Nations will not do it because they rely on private enterprises. Private enterprises rely on profit to sustain their growth. Do not even think that any Developed Nation will take on such stupid, violation of economic principle acts.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 27, 2017, 02:48:45 PM
 Pakistan and other Stans
 
Pakistan may be able to establish win-win relationship with other Stans. (Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan)
 
Pakistan has a larger population and the Stans have much oil and mineral resources. The one belt one road initiative covers all these Nations. Roads, rails and bridges may be built to link these Stans to the Gwadar port. Internet can bring education and opportunities to all.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 28, 2017, 04:19:15 PM

Seminar on One Belt One Road and Sure-Win Businesses


June 13, 2017 at Tanner Hill from 2:30pm to 4:30pm.


See attached presentation
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 28, 2017, 10:14:28 PM
 Service Industry to fight poverty
 
Can China set up retirement centers in minority race or remote areas to cater for their benefits? At present, many families have the young working outside. The old are left to care for themselves. If the Central Government funds the setup of retirement centers, there will be employment and the old will benefit.
 
Money is not a problem. Staff is not a problem. Is this a Meaningful Economic Activity? If China adds such activities to its GDP, the chance of bringing moderate prosperity to all citizens by 2020 is not a problem.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 29, 2017, 05:03:36 PM


Technology, technology, technology.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCnXp_c9stg

Has China made great progress in the exploration of combustible ice?

If the venture succeeds, the energy picture of the World will change. Can China master the technology ahead of Japan, USA, Canada, Russia, etc.?


https://phys.org/news/2010-03-china-combustible-ice-fuel-source.html (https://phys.org/news/2010-03-china-combustible-ice-fuel-source.html)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 30, 2017, 03:56:35 PM
 The housing problem in China and how to solve it.
 
In China, the price of homes in some Cities have risen so high that the average worker cannot afford to buy them. Some rich persons own many pieces of property. In some other Cities, there are empty homes and are labelled as Ghost Cities. Many Western Economists claim that this represents a Bubble and that the bursting of the Bubble will cause a major financial crisis in China.
 
There are elements in the Chinese State Capitalism setup that are very different from the West. Among these include:
1.       The Government can always buy back the properties and rent them out to the needed. Thus all those who cannot buy can still live in good housing.
2.       The Government can always demolish some properties. It is similar to over-production of apples. If the apples cannot be sold, one way is to plough them back into the soil. Such a powerful tool is only possible with a strong Government.
3.       The Government can state (as now) that houses are for living and not for speculating. No individual is allowed to own more than two pieces of property. Those who own more than two must sell the excess back to the Government at no profit (and no loss).
4.       The Government will set up investment vehicles for the excess funds. These may include special one belt one road funds for different Nations; special funds on sure-win businesses; high risk funds on innovative projects; retirement funds tied to rise of living index backed by the Government; insurance funds backed by Government and (at the last resort) derivatives and Forex trading and the bond market.
5.       There will be recommendations from Think Tanks. These will be discussed thoroughly via many Internet Forums. The discussions will cover the global view as well as the individual view. The interest of all will be identified. (Some corrupt gains will be exposed.)
 
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on May 31, 2017, 03:04:45 PM

The presentation on June 13, 2017 will be treated as a dry run.


A Chinese version is being prepared.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 01, 2017, 12:17:34 AM

Currency Pegging
 
RMB exchange rate had a big rise in the last few days. What does it mean?
 
1.       China is Forex Trading via its own Forex Exchange. It can effectively determine the RMB exchange rate.
2.       The best path for RMB to become the Settlement and Reserve Currency is for its exchange rate to rise slowly.
3.       Other Developing Nations can peg to RMB. If RMB is stable, their currencies will be stable too.
4.       The one belt one road projects can be settled in RMB. Chinese firms will accept that. Nations with currency pegged to RMB will also accept that. RMB will be on real, material projects while the US dollar will still focus on derivatives, forex gambling, bonds etc.
5.       Mutual credit agreements will be more meaningful. A particular Nation may change the pegging rate when deemed appropriate and after consultation with other trading partners.


There is no need to go down the path of Euro where Nations gave up their own currency and the control of their financial policies.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 02, 2017, 08:43:12 AM

Kra Canal in Thailand is now a reality. Work is going to start. It may take 10 years.


The idea started in the seventeen century.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq9QpRHJqkM



Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 03, 2017, 01:08:09 AM

Tseung, the one belt one road initiative will not work for a small Nation with no natural resources.


When a small Nation has no resources to trade, how can it acquired the capital, the technology, the interest from richer Nations?


*** With Mutual Credits, China can use the exchanged currency to help the small Nation rich. China wants to have examples to show the World that the new order led by China of win-win really works. A small Nation is ideal for a showcase project. Just approach China or its Think Tanks...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 06, 2017, 08:48:37 AM

Tseung, the one belt one road initiative will not work for a small Nation with no natural resources.


When a small Nation has no resources to trade, how can it acquired the capital, the technology, the interest from richer Nations?


*** With Mutual Credits, China can use the exchanged currency to help the small Nation rich. China wants to have examples to show the World that the new order led by China of win-win really works. A small Nation is ideal for a showcase project. Just approach China or its Think Tanks...


A seminar preview comment:


It has many pieces that can be placed together as the economic war strategy.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 07, 2017, 09:08:25 PM

What is the difference between Mutual Credits and Currency Swap?
 
With Mutual Credits, the richer Nation A uses the Swapped Currency B to help Nation B rich. One example is to build model homes in Nation B’s environment. The model homes can be largely factory built. That will help the local industries in designing and supplying the various components. The actual building or assembling will train and employ many local workers. These can be paid with Currency B.
 
The homes may be initially owned by Nation A (or its investors) in Special Economic Zones. The land could be purchased with Currency B. When Nation B becomes richer, almost all its assets including the homes mentioned will increase in value. Thus Nation A will get richer via helping Nation B to become richer. Nation B never needs to go into debt.
 
Nation A (e.g. China) has the confidence that it can help Nation B to become rich because it has the experience in getting itself rich. Nation A also knows that for its citizens to become rich, it has to increase its money supply. Mutual Credits extends that philosophy to include Nation B. Win-win. Nation A also knows that in giving away its knowledge, it will learn more!

USA could have played the role of Nation A. It can still lead Camp A to compete with Camp B (Russia+China). The purpose of the competition is to help Developing Nations rich...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 08, 2017, 01:39:17 AM

Now that China has introduced the opaque anti-periodic element to its fixing of the official RMB exchange rate, what is likely to happen?

The effect is essentially telling the World - China will determine the RMB exchange and not the Market Force or Crocodiles. There will be no need to burn Foreign Currency Reserves to support the RMB exchange rate. China does not need to play in the Forex Exchange Casi*os.

The May Foreign Currency Reserve rose. It is expected to be relatively stable and is likely to increase slowly.

Pouring money down the one belt one road projects is not likely to change that picture much - Chinese contractors accept RMB. The total amount is less than the 1 trillion USD China lost in the Forex Exchange Casi*os. The loss of that one trillion did not do obvious harm to the Chinese Economy. (It did not do much good either). But one trillion USD infrastructure projects will result in many roads, bridges, airports, seaports, power stations, internet connections, hospitals, model farms, hotels, industrial parks etc worldwide. The Citizens will see many new variety of goods in the supermarkets and over the Internet...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 09, 2017, 12:07:27 AM

What is the difference between Mutual Credits and Currency Swap?
 
With Mutual Credits, the richer Nation A uses the Swapped Currency B to help Nation B rich. One example is to build model homes in Nation B’s environment. The model homes can be largely factory built. That will help the local industries in designing and supplying the various components. The actual building or assembling will train and employ many local workers. These can be paid with Currency B.
 
The homes may be initially owned by Nation A (or its investors) in Special Economic Zones. The land could be purchased with Currency B. When Nation B becomes richer, almost all its assets including the homes mentioned will increase in value. Thus Nation A will get richer via helping Nation B to become richer. Nation B never needs to go into debt.
 
Nation A (e.g. China) has the confidence that it can help Nation B to become rich because it has the experience in getting itself rich. Nation A also knows that for its citizens to become rich, it has to increase its money supply. Mutual Credits extends that philosophy to include Nation B. Win-win. Nation A also knows that in giving away its knowledge, it will learn more!

USA could have played the role of Nation A. It can still lead Camp A to compete with Camp B (Russia+China). The purpose of the competition is to help Developing Nations rich...


Tseung, I heard about Mutual Credits before. I thought it was just a simple Currency Swap. I never realize that it is a powerful Economic War Weapon.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 12, 2017, 02:38:59 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkDXXpPfoLc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkDXXpPfoLc)

Dream?

Vision?


The New Silk Road Becomes the World Land-Bridge, A Tour
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 12, 2017, 06:02:28 PM

Service Industry to fight poverty
 
Can China set up retirement centers in minority race or remote areas to cater for their benefits? At present, many families have the young working outside. The old are left to care for themselves. If the Central Government funds the setup of retirement centers, there will be employment and the old will benefit.
 
Money is not a problem. Staff is not a problem. Is this a Meaningful Economic Activity? If China adds such activities to its GDP, the chance of bringing moderate prosperity to all citizens by 2020 is not a problem.


Comment:
The Business Schools taught the need for " Return on Investment". Social Service Projects will need constant pumping in of resources. There is no financial "Return on Investment". Such welfare projects are a drain on the Government.  Europe lost its economic momentum because of too much welfare.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 12, 2017, 06:05:12 PM


Comment:
The Business Schools taught the need for " Return on Investment". Social Service Projects will need constant pumping in of resources. There is no financial "Return on Investment". Such welfare projects are a drain on the Government.  Europe lost its economic momentum because of too much welfare.


This comes back to the issue of Meaningful Economic Activities. What is meaningful to one Nation may not be meaningful to another. What was meaningful at one time may not be meaningful now.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 14, 2017, 03:26:46 AM

http://tv.cctv.com/2017/06/10/VIDETUjpQdZyJcuR0XJnkasC170610.shtml


The average age of the Group is 72.3 years. They are the classmates of Tsinghua University. They are the ones that helped to produce the Chinese  Miracle...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 17, 2017, 01:35:12 PM

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3482.msg62772#msg62772 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3482.msg62772#msg62772)


The above link points to articles that I can edit at any future time. It is ideal for discussions and improvements. You are welcome to visit it.


The focus is on one belt one road and how it can be implemented better...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 22, 2017, 01:11:52 AM
Gift and Relationship Selling.

A friend went to Africa and gave me a gift of high quality honey. The price was not cheap. The packaging was super.

One way to combat the "lowest cost producer wins" is selling gifts. Price does not matter.

The Developing Nations can focus on Special Gift Products that can enhance their image...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 24, 2017, 11:14:40 PM
An Official of a Developing Nation asked: "Can you recall the development of China from the early 1980s when China was poor after the Cultural Revolution? What can we learn from that history?"
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 28, 2017, 11:21:00 PM

Meeting with an IT Company

IT: “Our Founders have education in Europe. We specialize in Artificial Intelligence (AI) and helping Companies manage their businesses worldwide.”

Tseung: “We are interested in applying AI to trading in the Forex Market. The Forex Market is an unregulated market but its daily transaction volume is in trillions of US dollars.”

IT: “We have not done too much work on Forex but we understand it to be highly leveraged. Investors can make or lose a lot of money in a short time.”

Tseung: “That is correct. Normally, a Nation wants to keep its Exchange Rate within a narrow range for financial and trading stability. The fluctuation on a daily basis is kept to fractions of one percent in most cases. Previously, the game is reserved for Governments and big Banks.  Now there are hundreds of small Forex Brokers or Companies. The purpose is not to exchange money to settle trading difference. The purpose is speculation – manipulating or betting whether the Exchange Rate will go up or down.”

IT: “But if the daily fluctuation is small, there is not much profit to be made.”

Tseung: “That is where leverage comes in. These Forex Brokers or Companies loan the customer money to bet. In Hong Kong, the legal limit is 1 to 20 meaning if the customer places 1 dollar, the broker may loan 20 dollars to the customer. In USA and UK, 1 to 200 is the norm. Since the Industry is not regulated, some brokers loan 1 to 500 or more.”

IT: “How would an Investor make money?”

Tseung: “The operation is effectively a Casi*o . The investor or gambler basically bets on whether the Exchange Rate will go up or down. The betting is always on a pair.  For example, USD and Euro is a pair(EUR/USD); USD and Japanese Yuan is a pair, USD and Chinese Offshore CNH is a pair etc.”

IT: “An investor can bet whether the Euro will go up or go down against the USD.  If he thinks the Euro will go up, he buys EUR/USD now and sells EUR/USD later when the Euro exchange rate goes up.”

Tseung: “Correct. If he thinks the Euro will depreciate against the Dollar, he sells the EUR/USD pair first. When the Euro depreciates, he buys the pair back to make the profit.  It is a form of gambling. The investor never needs to own any Euro or USD. (The Forex Broker does not need to own such currencies either.)”

IT: “What determines whether an exchange rate will go up or down?”

Tseung: “The Western Economists call it Market Forces. There are buyers and there are sellers. The Forex Brokers ( casi*o owners) quote a buy and a sell price at any one time. They can take the risk themselves or broker the transaction to a bigger bank and take a small transaction fee.  In the bigger picture, the exchange rate is affected by World Events.  For example, when Brazil had meat export problems, their currency depreciated. When UK left the Common Market and the Election Results were not favorable, the British Pound depreciated.”

IT: “That is ideal for Artificial Intelligence. AI helps to predict the results when an event occurs.”

Tseung: “That is why we have this meeting…”


(More in the One Belt One Road thread at overunityresearch.com)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 30, 2017, 11:49:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8c55hH9ENE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8c55hH9ENE)

One positive view on One Belt One Road. (Jeff Brown: Belt and Road Initiative - Peace is Breaking Out All Over)

The West was successful for 500 years with their technology.  They won and others lost. Win-win was never considered...

A retired Hong Kong and Shanghai (HSBC) Manager said: "The OBOR operation was like HSBC for Hong Kong since the 1970s. HSBC loaned aggressively to Hong Kong Businesses especially property developers. When a Developer successfully won a bid on a piece of land, HSBC loaned money to them to do initial development.  The Developers then sold their planned or developed units.  HSBC loaned to the Citizens (as mortgages). The money was never from deposits. The money was created from thin-air with the blessing of the then Colonial Hong Kong Government."

"When Hong Kong became prosperous with all the business activity, HSBC grew to be one of the biggest banks in the World.  The OBOR plans to do something similar.  It pumps out thin-air money to get the many Nations rich.  These Nations will then make the AIIB or other involved Banks rich.  The banks do not really care about a few bad loans as the money comes from thin-air.  China is in a similar position. So long as the end result is general prosperity for the many OBOR Nations, China and AIIB will enjoy the benefits."

"It was a win for HSBC (a UK owned bank) and a win for the Citizens of Hong Kong. Win-win. The Business Activities in Hong Kong would never have been this successful if not for the aggressive lending of HSBC.  Will the aggressive lending from China via OBOR help the many Developing Nations rich?"

Tseung: "China not only lends capital. China also gives out knowledge and technology. China gets itself rich via aggressive printing of thin-air money and circulation of knowledge and technology.  Can China help others rich???"


The above also appeared in:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3482.msg63142#msg63142

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on June 30, 2017, 11:52:55 PM
The HSBC example should be looked at carefully.

HSBC loans out thin-air money.  The customer pays back with real money generated from Meaningful Economic Activities.

But without the loan from HSBC, many customers cannot generate the Meaningful Economic Activities.  They cannot live in their homes.  They cannot ride on their own cars.  They cannot make plastic toys and goods for export.  There were some bad loans but HSBC treats those as expected business activities.

In the Belt and Road Initiative, if China or AIIB does not loan out thin-air money, much of the Meaningful Economic Activities in the Developing Nations will not happen... 

If the Meaningful Economic Activities happen, China or AIIB will be extremely rich - much richer than HSBC.  There will be some bad loans.  But the loans come from thin-air money in the first place!  Writing off a few should be viewed as a normal business activity.

If the loans were on Infrastructure Projects, less will go into the pockets of corrupt politicians.  Infrastructure Projects can be seen by all Citizens.  Once a non-profit making road is completed, the profit making Meaningful Economic Activities such as Hotels, Tourist Attractions, Malls, Restaurants etc. can happen. (The Chinese saying: "If a Nation wants to be rich, build a road first.")
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 01, 2017, 12:11:59 AM


The USD/CNH closed at 6.7771 on June 30, 2017.  What is its significance?


Many Western Financial Institutes predicted that RMB would depreciate. Some claimed that the USD/CNH rate would be more than 7.0.  That prediction was used to scare the RMB holders to exchange RMB to USD forcing China to use its Reserve to pop up the RMB Exchange rate.


China now ignored the Market Forces and quotes its own rate. There will be no more drain on the Reserve.


My prediction is:


1. China will slowly force the RMB to appreciate.  Its exported goods will be more expensive.
2. Since the RMB will appreciate and the interest rate in holding RMB is higher, many individuals and Nations will hold RMB. RMB will be a default Settlement and Reserve Currency.
3. The Belt and Road Initiative Nations will be glad to use RMB.  There will be more Currency Swaps and Mutual Credit Arrangements will be experimented.
4. The 2 Camp competition will enter into the thinking of the many Think Tanks.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 02, 2017, 06:14:15 AM

If I were Carrie Lam, the New Chief Executive of Hong Kong, I would:
 
1.       Implement Super Democracy.
2.       Arrange Mutual Credits with Pakistan and Ethiopia.
3.       Set up the Public Investor System.
4.       Promote Super Silicon Valley Mentality.
5.       Take an active role in the OBOR initiative with Think Tanks and Test Projects.
6.       Introduce the sure-win businesses in both inside and outside Hong Kong.
7.       Let the General Public know about Global War and true Globalization
8.       Get all Political Parties and Elites to discuss what are the Meaningful Economic Activities for Hong Kong?

Each point will be elaborated in the following posts.  For Basic Background Information, go to overunityresearch.com. Read the One Belt One Road Thread.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 02, 2017, 06:43:45 AM



If I were Carrie Lam, the New Chief Executive of Hong Kong, I would:
 
1.       Implement Super Democracy.
2.       Arrange Mutual Credits with Pakistan and Ethiopia.
3.       Set up the Public Investor System.
4.       Promote Super Silicon Valley Mentality.
5.       Take an active role in the OBOR initiative with Think Tanks and Test Projects.
6.       Introduce the sure-win businesses in both inside and outside Hong Kong.
7.       Let the General Public know about Global War and true Globalization
8.       Get all Political Parties and Elites to discuss what are the Meaningful Economic Activities for Hong Kong?

Each point will be elaborated in the following posts.  For Basic Background Information, go to overunityresearch.com. Read the One Belt One Road Thread.


1. Implement Super Democracy

Hong Kong has the basic requirements to implement Super Democracy to demonstrate to China and the World. 


Super Democracy has the following elements:

a.   Use Structured Internet Forums to discuss issues thoroughly.  There will be at least three levels.  The first level allows posts from all.  Only the obscene, really abusive posts would be deleted.  This enables freedom of speech.  The second level will be via invitation only.  The good ideas from the first level will be reposted and further discussed.  The third level will receive much more resources and may form the basis of future Government Policies.

b.   Funding for the first level can be relatively small.  Any organization with checked support from 1,000 registered voters will receive funding.  The amount may be HK$100,000 startup and HK$20,000 monthly for maintenance.  The applying organization is responsible for moderating the forum.

c.   Funding for the second level will be much larger.  There will be dedicated staff to select worthwhile posts from the first level.  Each post may be given HK$1,000.  Some Think Tank Personnel may treat that as a part-time or full-time job and post regularly. Some budding politicians will find that as a good platform.  The registered voters can read the posts and place their votes on such posts.  The qualifications of the Candidates will be effectively screened.

d.   Funding for the third level will vary.  This is equivalent to the Consultant Reports or Recommendations.  The amount of funding is likely to be project specific.  The good thing about this arrangement is that the funding can go to any Political Party or Organization with good ideas open to the Public.  The Reports may form the basis of actual Government Policies.

e.   The Legislative Council Members may still be voted using the present system. 

f.   There will be a supplement all registered voter participation system. Important policies can be voted by all registered voters on-line.  Initially, this may be for reference only.  The Internet and Mobile Phone Technology have advanced to make such a system practical.  If Hong Kong can demonstrate this to the World first, Hong Kong Citizens will be proud.  When all eyes are on Hong Kong, many stupid in-fighting will disappear...


Internet technology has already overcome the limitation of space, time, and number of participants. Registered voters who cannot use the Internet can be helped by designated personnel similar to helping the blind voters at present. Technology, technology and technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 07, 2017, 12:07:50 AM

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3482.msg62772#msg62772


The attached file was used in the Meeting with the Maritime Silk Road Society on July 5, 2017.


The recommendation was to refine it more and send it to the New Central Policy Unit and other relevant organizations.


The file represents some view points on what the new Chief Executive of Hong Kong should do.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 07, 2017, 04:50:35 PM

What can derail China from becoming the number one economy in the World?


The most obvious is war - regional war or worst.


One place where regional war might happen is with India.


Another place is with Japan but that is likely to get US involved.  Japan will not start wars.


Taiwan is unlikely.  It will be words more than swords.


North Korea will be a funny place.  China will continue to persuade North Korea not to pursue it Nuclear Weapons.  But trade will increase.  China plus Russia will try to persuade US not to start wars there.


The best scenario is for USA and allies in one camp.  Russia and China in another.  The two camps compete to get Developing Nations rich.  No wars - either physical or economic.  Win-win.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 08, 2017, 08:00:47 AM

China's foreign exchange reserves grew for a fifth consecutive month to reach USD 3.057 trillion in June of 2017, which is the highest level since October. The reserves increased by USD 3 billion, which is slightly below market expectations of USD 3.062 billion and much below USD 24 billion reported in May. Since the beginning of the year, the capital outflows have slowed as China tightened rules on moving capital outside the country.


China and Germany will work together to build infrastructures in Africa.  Both Germany and China have capital and technology to help Developing Nations.  One Belt One Road is no long the Solo of China.  If Germany participates actively, the rest of Europe will follow. 


China can print thin-air RMB and still increase its Research slowly.  The new Financial Rules are budding...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2017, 01:01:22 AM

If I were Xi Jinping, I would:

1.   Tell the World that every human being on earth can enjoy a healthy standard of living.

2.   The Bell and Road Initiative is not about domination. It is the philosophy of – if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help other Nations get rich.

3.   Many Nations including USA, Japan, Germany and now China have the technology, the knowledge and the capacity to help Developing Nations rich.

4.   USA, as the World’s only Super Power, did not play that role.  Instead, USA chooses the path of Domination.  America First.

5.   The New Globalization is about win-win, plan together, work together and enjoy the fruits together.

6.   Within one generation, every human being on Earth will enjoy electricity, running water, adequate food, clothing, comfortable home, education, health care, employment, social services, communicate with each other and easy travelling to all parts of the World.

The above points will be elaborated in the following posts.


The same will be posted in overunityresearch.com under the thread one belt one road.  The posts there will be updated and improved as appropriate. (Third class turns to second or first class.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2017, 01:27:19 AM


If I were Xi Jinping, I would:

1.   Tell the World that every human being on earth can enjoy a healthy standard of living.


2.   The Bell and Road Initiative is not about domination. It is the philosophy of – if a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, it should help other Nations get rich.

3.   Many Nations including USA, Japan, Germany and now China have the technology, the knowledge and the capacity to help Developing Nations rich.

4.   USA, as the World’s only Super Power, did not play that role.  Instead, USA chooses the path of Domination.  America First.

5.   The New Globalization is about win-win, plan together, work together and enjoy the fruits together.

6.   Within one generation, every human being on Earth will enjoy electricity, running water, adequate food, clothing, comfortable home, education, health care, employment, social services, communicate with each other and easy travelling to all parts of the World.

The above points will be elaborated in the following posts.

The same will be posted in overunityresearch.com under the thread one belt one road.  The posts there will be updated and improved as appropriate. (Third class turns to second or first class.)


1.   Tell the World that every human being on earth can enjoy a healthy standard of living.


China has demonstrated to the World that it can pull itself from a poor Nation in the 1970s to a relatively prosperous Nation within one generation.  China is willing to share that secret.  There were also mistakes that can be lessons for all.  The main secret is learn, improve and re-invent technology, technology and technology.  Use State Capitalism - government works hand-in-hand with private enterprises.  Develop the Five Year Plans and execute them diligently.

Mistakes include pollution, ghost towns and unequal distribution of wealth.  These mistakes are being corrected. 

China has changed from a "have not" society to an "overcapacity" society within one generation.  China is willing to help all "have not" or Developing Nations to march into Developed Nations.  China does not want to interfere in the internal politics of any Nation.  China does not seek to impose its model on any Nation.  China will not seek any dominance.  China will not repeat the historic tragedies of Imperialism and Colonialism.

Every Chinese Citizen can now enjoy a healthy standard of living. He is guaranteed enough food, clothing, shelter, education and social welfare. The same can happen to any human being anywhere on this planet Earth.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 10, 2017, 11:26:23 PM

The draft file titled - If I were Xi - is now done.


You are welcome to comment.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 12, 2017, 12:41:14 AM
If I were Xi Jinping, how would I handle the present border dispute with India?

China builds a road at its border.  If the relationship with the neighbor is good, the act will be viewed positively.  Comments will be that the trade between the two Nations will benefit.

If the relationship is tense, the same act will be seen as preparation for a regional war.

If I were Xi Jinping, I would suspend the project until the relationship is good again.  I shall use the above argument to convince the Chinese Citizens.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 15, 2017, 01:16:00 AM
The four pro-democracy or anti-government Legislative Council Members who did not take the oath seriously were ruled to lose their seats.

This means that the anti-government legislative camp will lose their ability to block Hong Kong Government Policies as they do not have one third of the total seats.  Can the pro-government camp capture the seats in the coming replacement election?

The Hong Kong Public is tired of the in-fighting and the inability of Hong Kong Government to do anything.  Will they vote in favor of the pro-government camp to finally give the Hong Kong Government a chance to do something constructive?

Will the pro-government camp be able to ride on the recent popular visit of the aircraft carrier and the One Belt One Road Initiative? Both the High Speed Rail (Hong Kong side) and the Zhuhai-Macau-Hong Kong Bridge are near completion.  Can the pro-government camp use these to their advantage?  Will the pro-government camp advocate Super Democracy and show their foresight?  Will they be able to charm the Hong Kong Citizens with new concepts such as Super Silicon Valley Mentality, Public Investors, Mutual Credits and Sure-Win Businesses?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 20, 2017, 03:41:52 PM



Quote from: ltseung888 on 2017-07-19, 02:32:26 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3482.msg63514#msg63514) (overunityresearch.com)
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Thank you for reminding me.  India and Pakistan used to be one Nation. Their combined population exceed that of China.  Their top students and talents in IT is undoubted.  There is indeed a chance for them to take over the Number One Economic Nation sometime in the future.


Modern Wealth is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Both India and Pakistan need to have many infrastructures, more electricity for homes and industry, more roads and rails to speed up travel and many mobile phones to communicate.  These Meaningful Economic Activities will keep India and Pakistan busy for many years or decades.

They now know that capital is not scarce.  They have the basic knowledge and technology to build.  They need peace.  They need the Five Year Plans.  They need the innovative individuals to spot the many opportunities.  They need the many models to copy and improve.  They can go from "have not" to over capacity in most products and services.  It is technology, technology and technology.

Unfortunately, many politicians know that they can incite emotions to work in their favor via "patriotism".  All they need to do is to paint someone as an aggressor and they can have a wave of support.  That wave is likely to give them political positions.  Their shortcomings can be diverted or overlooked.  Sending some soldiers to disrupt the Chinese Road Construction may get the Chinese to over react and destroy the Chinese image of win-win; plan together; work together and enjoy the fruits together.   They can claim that the OBOR is a lie.  USA and Japan are happy to work with India to destroy the Chinese Image.  They want to prevent or slow down the rise of China.  They see the rise of China as a threat to their Dominance.

China must not over react.  The Chinese Think Tanks must show their worth now...                               
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 21, 2017, 12:14:38 AM
The Meaningful Economic Activities for China and India at present is to resolve the border conflict.  Focus on economic development.  China can develop a model town at the high altitude as a tourist attraction with new technology and innovation.  For example, the model town can have multi-level traffic lanes within buildings eliminating traffic jams.  The buildings not only have air conditioning but also increased air pressure making it more comfortable to live and breath.

India can use its high tech promotional ability to rival the construction capability of China.  Plan together; work together and enjoy the fruits together.  Win-win.  Forget the history of Colonialism, 1962 wars and the border disputes.  If Pakistan and India want to unite as one country again, so much the better.  The final Globalization will enable all humans on Earth to enjoy prosperity, respect each other and tour every spot with harmony and happiness.

Capital, knowledge and technology are no longer scarce.  Just create the environment to apply them...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 24, 2017, 11:41:42 AM



                  Comment:  Real reason on the present India China Border Conflict?


From an Indian Scholar:

"India is somewhat jealous of the One Belt One Road attention China is getting.  India just wants to show the World that China is not all good.  The intrusion and pushing by the unarmed Indian Soldiers is meant to provoke and test the reaction of China."

"As expected, the Chinese press and Internet users have warmonger reactions.  The Official Chinese Agency did not show the image of a Great, Peaceful Nation."

Tseung: "What is the best thing China can do?"

"As a top Diplomat or Think Tank, I would suggest that - China should openly ask India on its intentions nicely.  China could say that since the Indian Soldiers were unarmed, India does not war.  Just ask India to state its concerns openly in United Nations or any suitable setting.  Yelling, barking and pushing Indian Soldiers back is not the greatest diplomatic act."

Tseung: "The local commanders are not expected to be top diplomats.  Hopefully, this post will be read by top diplomats in Beijing."                               
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on July 24, 2017, 01:36:29 PM
"Real reason on the present
India China Border Conflict"

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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 27, 2017, 08:18:34 AM



                  Comment:  Real reason on the present India China Border Conflict?


From an Indian Scholar:

"India is somewhat jealous of the One Belt One Road attention China is getting.  India just wants to show the World that China is not all good.  The intrusion and pushing by the unarmed Indian Soldiers is meant to provoke and test the reaction of China."

"As expected, the Chinese press and Internet users have warmonger reactions.  The Official Chinese Agency did not show the image of a Great, Peaceful Nation."

Tseung: "What is the best thing China can do?"

"As a top Diplomat or Think Tank, I would suggest that - China should openly ask India on its intentions nicely.  China could say that since the Indian Soldiers were unarmed, India does not war.  Just ask India to state its concerns openly in United Nations or any suitable setting.  Yelling, barking and pushing Indian Soldiers back is not the greatest diplomatic act."

Tseung: "The local commanders are not expected to be top diplomats.  Hopefully, this post will be read by top diplomats in Beijing."                               

Indian Scholar: "India can have a faster GDP growth rate than China in the coming years."

Tseung: "How?"

Indian Scholar: "In 2008, China embarked on a massive Infrastructure project with thin-air money.  China used capital, knowledge and technology well.  India is learning that lesson.  The growth in India will not depend on exports or the World Market.  India can just build, build and build with the latest knowledge and technology.  India can print thin-air money too."

Tseung: "No Wars!"

*** Almost any Nation can use the above model.  Stimulate and increase the Meaningful Economic Activities with appropriate increases in thin-air money.  Learn, master and improve the technology, technology and technology.  Get the Citizens rich and improve their standards of living.  The OBOR projects will help - China is willing to pass out capital, knowledge and technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 30, 2017, 11:39:51 PM




                  Comment:  Real reason on the present India China Border Conflict?


From an Indian Scholar:

"India is somewhat jealous of the One Belt One Road attention China is getting.  India just wants to show the World that China is not all good.  The intrusion and pushing by the unarmed Indian Soldiers is meant to provoke and test the reaction of China."

"As expected, the Chinese press and Internet users have warmonger reactions.  The Official Chinese Agency did not show the image of a Great, Peaceful Nation."

Tseung: "What is the best thing China can do?"

"As a top Diplomat or Think Tank, I would suggest that - China should openly ask India on its intentions nicely.  China could say that since the Indian Soldiers were unarmed, India does not war.  Just ask India to state its concerns openly in United Nations or any suitable setting.  Yelling, barking and pushing Indian Soldiers back is not the greatest diplomatic act."

Tseung: "The local commanders are not expected to be top diplomats.  Hopefully, this post will be read by top diplomats in Beijing."                               


Indian Scholar: "What does China gain in building a road to Bhutan now?  Can China wait and build the road when the relationship is better?"

Tseung: "I believe that China is over-excited with One Belt One Road.  It feels that improving the transportation to all its neighbors is a good thing.  It never considers itself as an aggressor.  It has no intention of attacking or conquering neighboring Nations.  But India thinks otherwise.  India still remembers the 1962 war."

Indian Scholar: "The act of some unarmed soldiers walking over the border, pushing and trying to stop the construction of a road is not serious in the eyes of Indians.  It is a strong way of telling the Chinese Government and the International Community that India feels threatened as the construction of the road is near the chicken neck (a sensitive strategic area) in India."

Tseung: "Is there any other way of showing that concern?"

Indian Scholar: "The cost of a few hundred unarmed soldiers crossing the border got International Publicity.  USA and Japan are more willing to assist and invest in India.  The Indian population is spurted on to be more united to build the Infrastructures.  The unarmed Indian Troops will withdraw.  The coming cold weather and snow is likely to cause a natural withdrawal.  The strategic objective of raising  International attention has been achieved."

Tseung: "It soured the relationship between India and China.  The anti-Chinese feeling is rising in India.  The Chinese Press and Internet users presented the incident as an invasion from India."

Indian Scholar: "In politics, there are no real friends nor enemies.  The politicians play the public opinion to their advantage.  The USA politics right now is more serious to the stability of the World."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on July 31, 2017, 09:48:54 PM
What a top Think Tank can propose:

(1)  The goal for all humans is to enjoy a rising standard of living in peace and respect.
(2)  The ugly history of Imperialism and Colonialism must not be allowed to happen again.
(3)  The way to prevent the ugly history is for all Nations to seek win-win, plan together, work together and enjoy the results together.
(4)  There must be trust.  India need to trust that China does not want to invade India and take any part of Indian Territory.  China welcomes the eventual re-unification of Pakistan and India.  China will not be a road block in such events.  (China also wants eventual re-unification with Taiwan.)
(5)  The One Belt One Road Initiative is to let all Nations share knowledge and technology.  Imperialism and Colonialism happened because there was great disparity of knowledge and technology since 1600.  Capital, knowledge and technology are no longer scarce resources.  China is willing to share them with the World.
(6)  The way the West and USA to increase and maintain their wealth is via Domination.  USA takes on the role of World Policeman.  It uses the carrot and stick approach to keep the existing order that is in its favor. 
(7)  The OBOR initiative from China is - to increase and maintain its wealth, the way is to help other Nations to become wealthy.
(8)  There will be new concepts.  One is Super Democracy.  Stupid Democracy is one person one vote - electing representatives that may not be qualified.  Many political parties choose to object good policies hoping to discredit the Government so that they have a chance to govern.  Super Democracy uses the capability of the Internet to conduct structured forums to discuss issues thoroughly and gives all voters a chance to express their opinions or even vote on important policies with ease.
(9)  Another new concept is Mutual Credits.  Nation A gives X amount of its Currency A to Nation B.  Nation B gives the equivalent amount of its Currency B to Nation A.  Thus no debt is involved.  Nation B may be relatively poor.  It can use Currency A to buy products and services from Nation A.  Nation A can use Currency B to help Nation B become rich by building hotels, malls, tourist attraction centers, conference and exhibition facilities, model farms, model factories in the Special Economic Zones of Nation B.
(10)  Knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will gain.  Nations can plan together (or individually) to put all primary and secondary school courses on Internet.  Some courses can be at University or Specialist levels.
(11)  Technology can be shared by having multiple Nations working on some selected projects.  For example, a Dam can be done as a learning and demonstration project.  Developing Nations wanting to learn such infrastructure projects are welcome to participate.  This can be done in China, in India or in Africa.
(12)  Capital is not a scarce resource.  Money can be created from thin-air.  It is just a matter of trust.  China is printing thin-air money to support the Infrastructure projects in other Nationnis.  If these other Nations can pay back, so much the better.  Even if they cannot pay back, much meaningful economic activities would have been created.  There will be actual infrastructures built to benefit the citizens of such Nations.  (China does not really suffer as that money comes from thin-air.  Many Nation will trust China and the OBOR initiative more.)
(13)  Modern Wealth is no long herd, gold or numbers in financial institutions.  Modern wealth is the quality and quantity of meaningful economic activities (MEA).  Such MEAs are different in different Nations and will be different at different times.  The Think Tanks should help to identify such MEAs.
(14)  India has demonstrated remarkable GDP growth.  Its GDP growth is faster than that of China now.  Efforts must focus on keeping the GDP growth on track.  Any diversion such as border conflicts, wars or disputes must be avoided.  The growth is real, material growth that Citizens and Tourists can feel and see.  (There is no need to go for thin-air gains such as derivatives.)
(15)  India and China must watch out for another type of war - economic war.  Such happened in the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997.  It almost happened again in 2017 with the rumored devaluation of the RMB (by the financial institutions of USA) and the stupidity of China playing in the unregulated Forex Exchanges.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 02, 2017, 12:49:17 AM

Relationship Selling at its best?

One of the hottest topic in Asia right now is the salary that China is willing to pay for the Pilipino Maids.  The starting salary for a Pilipino Maid in Hong Kong is around HK$5,000.  China is rumored to pay HK$15,000 or three times that.

As a top think tank, we consider the following:

(1) Having Maids is a "luxury".  China is willing to pay a high price for luxury goods - watches, jewelry, wine etc.  Willing to pay a high price serves two purposes.  The first is appreciation of the quality.  The second is to show off the wealth.

(2) Some comments on the Internet focus on getting the best goods or services at the lowest price.  They claim that as the cardinal economic principle.  They may not have gone to super expensive restaurants.  An ordinary meal in an average restaurant that will satisfy one's hunger costs HK$40-50.  An average meal in a top restaurant costs HK$1,000 and up (not including wine). 

(3) It is difficult for the average person to understand the philosophy of - to become rich and remain rich, a Nation should help other Nations rich.  But seeing the Pilipino Maids getting a salary of HK$15,000 per month is easy to accept.  It is already hot news.  If it were reality (which is highly recommended), the average person in Asia and elsewhere will look to China as the Land of Opportunity.

(4) What will happen to the relationship between China and Philippines?  There will be no anti-Chinese feelings?  China treats such Maids as valuable helpers.  They may serve as English Teachers.  They may serve as a link to improving the relationship of the two Nations.  They may serve as an example of Relationship Selling.  (Not the lowest price wins.  But wanting the partner to become rich wins. Win-win at a high level.)

(5) The details of the Government Negotiations will start in September.  Paying HK$15,000 per month per Maid to generate good will is more effective than building a high speed rail.  The effect is almost immediate.  We believe China will be clever enough to do the right thing...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 02, 2017, 11:45:37 PM
AN INNOVATIVE PROJECT

Quote from: ltseung888 on 2017-07-23, 17:40:41 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3482.msg63601#msg63601)<quote>China and India should not copy the energy wasteful model of USA.  Every family owning one or more cars will just cause more traffic jams, more pollution, more noise and creating a deteriorating environment.

Consider towns with no traffic jams.  A two level transportation arrangement will be a possible solution.  Cut the need to travel with Internet Commerce and Conferences.  Plan local communities with malls, hospitals, restaurants, entertainment centers, sports facilities.  Develop modern new towns with the latest technology.  There is no need for traditional telephone lines, schools or universities.  Modern storage, processing and prediction facilities will guarantee food security.  Re-examine jobs, factories and offices.  What is the best model?  Redefine the Meaningful Economic Activities for now and for the near future

Renewable and new sources of energy is now available. Technology, technology and technology.   Do not stupidly destroy the prosperity with wars and misguided patriotism.
</quote>


Let us start with a town with no traffic jams.  Assume all buildings are connected.  Floor two has electric trains on rails that will zigzag in the North-South directions.  There will be many stops.  Floor three has electric trains on rails that will zigzag in the East-West directions.  Its stops will coincide with Floor two.  If a passenger wants to go to a particular stop, he can be lazy and just remain on either Floor two or Floor three to take the zigzag paths.

If the passenger wants to shorten the travel time, he can always go East-West first and then walk one level to travel North-South.  His total travel time will be one East-West leg, one walking up or down a floor, one waiting time for trains and one North-South leg.

Thus human and light load traffic will have no traffic jams at all.  The ground floor can carry heavy load traffic with the usual traffic lights.

China and India can compete on such innovative concepts. (Others are welcome to join in such competition.)  Other features such as temperature control, air pressure control, use of renewable energy, efficient town planning, and infrastructure setup can be added.  Compete on something positive rather than destructive conflicts or wars.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 04, 2017, 04:15:06 PM
Talk with a Pilipino Lady:

Tseung: "It is big news that China is negotiating to employ Pilipino Helpers for HK$15,000 per month.  That is three times the salary paid in Hong Kong."

Pilipino Lady: "Most people will wait before believing.  I am more interested in your no traffic jam city idea.  We have terrible traffic jams in Manila."

Tseung: "If traffic were really heavy, we can replace the zigzag with "to and back traffic" on each line.  That will need more trains."

Pilipino Lady: "Do you mind my sharing the idea with others?  I am sure some Pilipino City Planners will be interested."

Tseung: "Please do.  I am too old to implement such. There is still much to plan - such as what happens in emergencies; catering for the disabled; computer modelling etc.  Plan together."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 04, 2017, 10:20:59 PM


Talk with a Pilipino Lady:

Tseung: "It is big news that China is negotiating to employ Pilipino Helpers for HK$15,000 per month.  That is three times the salary paid in Hong Kong."

Pilipino Lady: "Most people will wait before believing.  I am more interested in your no traffic jam city idea.  We have terrible traffic jams in Manila."

Tseung: "If traffic were really heavy, we can replace the zigzag with "to and back traffic" on each line.  That will need more trains."

Pilipino Lady: "Do you mind my sharing the idea with others?  I am sure some Pilipino City Planners will be interested."

Tseung: "Please do.  I am too old to implement such. There is still much to plan - such as what happens in emergencies; catering for the disabled; computer modelling etc.  Plan together."

Talk with an Australian Friend.

Tseung: "Do you have traffic jam problems in Australia?"

Friend: "We have much land and few citizens compared with China, India or the Asian Nations. Your separating North-South traffic and East-West traffic into two separate floors or levels is simple.  Australia does not need it.  We may discuss it in academic circles."


Tseung: "China, India and Asian Scholars used to examine the West and tried to copy their solutions.  The West has different problems.  Asians must think for themselves. Hong Kong is small but we can still have the best Think Tanks in the World.  With Internet, there is no limitation on space, time, number of participants and information.  Hong Kong Think Tanks can work out Meaningful Economic Activities for itself and for the rest of the World."


Friend: "Old folks like you can still Think in your wheel chairs. You do not need to compete in the rat race.  Great ideas often come when there is no day-to-day pressure to make a living."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 08, 2017, 02:11:58 PM


(9)  Another new concept is Mutual Credits.  Nation A gives X amount of its Currency A to Nation B.  Nation B gives the equivalent amount of its Currency B to Nation A.  Thus no debt is involved.  Nation B may be relatively poor.  It can use Currency A to buy products and services from Nation A.  Nation A can use Currency B to help Nation B become rich by building hotels, malls, tourist attraction centers, conference and exhibition facilities, model farms, model factories in the Special Economic Zones of Nation B.


At a Lawyer's Office:

Lawyer: "How would you safeguard Nation B from the currency attack by Nation A?"

Tseung: "The assumption is that Nation A wants Nation B to become rich."

Lawyer: "In our profession, we do not rely on intention.  We rely on black and white documents."

Tseung: "I believe good intentions and clear documents both have merit.  Clear documents remove much uncertainty and potential areas of conflict.  Good intentions provide the necessary trust to get things done."

Lawyer: "Nation B can write down in black and white on how Nation A uses its Currency B.  That will give us much work to do.  We can contribute significantly in this OROB initiative..."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 09, 2017, 12:10:32 AM
At a Lawyer's Office:

Lawyer: "How would you safeguard Nation B from the currency attack by Nation A?"

Tseung: "The assumption is that Nation A wants Nation B to become rich."

Lawyer: "In our profession, we do not rely on intention.  We rely on black and white documents."

Tseung: "I believe good intentions and clear doct uments both have merit.  Clear documents remove much uncertainty and potential areas of conflict.  Good intentions provide the necessary trust to get things done."

Lawyer: "Nation B can write down in black and white on how Nation A uses its Currency B.  That will give us much work to do.  We can contribute significantly in this OROB initiative..."

Banker: "I just do not believe China will build a road in Nation B without asking for a return.  I never give out loans if there is no guarantee for a return."

Lawyer: "Even if a father intends to give his money to his children, I still advise him to do proper legal documents.  That is why doing wills is a big part of our business."

Tseung: "China believes that in building infrastructures for Nation B, Nation B will become rich.  In addition, if China and Nation B do a Mutual Credit Arrangement, China can use Currency B to build up more wealth for both itself and Nation B."

Banker: "You pointed to the heart of the matter.  There is no guarantee that China can use Currency B to build up more wealth."

Lawyer: "Tseung defines Modern Wealth as the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities. In his definition, the activity of building infrastructures is already increasing Modern Wealth.  If China can use Currency B to create more Meaningful Economic Activities such as more restaurants, more shopping centers, more entertainment, nicer homes and better standard of living for Citizens in Nation B, that is regarded as increasing more Modern Wealth."

Banker: "Nation B does not need to pay back the loan in Nation A's currency (RMB).  With Mutual Credits, Nation B even does not owe any debt.  This is like a father giving money to his sons.  It is against human history.  Human history tells us that Nation A will conquer and take over Nation B at some stage of the game."

Tseung: "China is re-writing history.  China can use thin-air RMB, knowledge and technology to make every human being prosperous."

Lawyer: "India does not believe it.  India is sending some soldiers to provoke China by trying to stop the construction of a road.  India does not see that road as win-win.  So far, China does not show the act of great statesmanship.  China does not address the concerns of India but keep issuing warnings to India threatening war."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 10, 2017, 10:27:37 AM


Tseung: "China is re-writing history.  China can use thin-air RMB, knowledge and technology to make every human being prosperous."

Lawyer: "India does not believe it.  India is sending some soldiers to provoke China by trying to stop the construction of a road.  India does not see that road as win-win.  So far, China does not show the act of great statesmanship.  China does not address the concerns of India but keep issuing warnings to India threatening war."


A Great Statesman would:

1.  Ask India to raise its concerns in United Nations or any appropriate International settings.
2.  Re-state the goals of OBOR as win-win for all.
3.  Suspend the building of the Road until the relationship is better.
4.  Demonstrate that China can use the exchanged Currency B to create more Modern Wealth for Nation B and China.
5.  Create wealth with Pakistan and encourage Pakistan and India to overcome the outdated British Strategy of "Divide and Rule".  Encourage eventual re-unification.  (Just mention the possible re-unification of Taiwan.)
6.  Slowly but surely take over the position of Number One Economic Power replacing USA.  Tell India that some day, India+Pakistan may take that Number One spot.  Do it in a peaceful manner so that all human beings enjoy the benefits.


*** The old Colonial approach would be:
1.  I can use Military Power to force you to do anything.  Your land is effectively mine.  You are allowed to live because of my mercy.
2.  The Red Indians virtually disappeared from the surface of the Earth.  That could have happened to any race without the knowledge and technology to protect itself.
3.  USA can wipe out North Korea and remove the nuclear threat totally.  USA might do it if there were no Russia and China (or other Nations possessing Nuclear Weapons).  The longer the delay, the more capable will be the North Korean Nuclear Missile capability.  This option will be too costly.  USA may have a few of its own cities destroyed.  (Thus the logical choice is to accept that North Korea will possess the Nuclear weapons and work with it in peace.)
4.  There is absolutely no advantage of China going to war with India.  Winning a small regional battle will continue to generate hatred in the hearts of Indians who still feel the humiliation and betrayal of the 1962 war.  Losing a small regional battle will escalate to a larger war that might lead to the use of the unthinkable nuclear arsenal.
5.  Suspend the building of a road would not harm the interest of China in any way.  Political climates change.  Who could have predicted that China and Philippines work together so well today?
6.  China needs time to show that OBOR is different from the Imperial and Colonial days - the Military Strong dictates.  China can easily help Pakistan to be rich.  China can encourage Pakistan and India to re-united or exist peacefully together.
7.  A British friend asked me: "England helped to produce a prosperous Hong Kong.  Why are the Hong Kong Citizens not grateful?"  What should be the answer???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 12, 2017, 01:53:32 AM
Strategy of China in the next 5 years:

1.   Complete the many Infrastructures in the Belt and Road Initiative with excellence.
2.   Introduce Mutual Credits to eliminate or reduce debts incurred by the Developing Nations.
3.   Use the exchanged currency B to make Nation B rich via profitable, short-term projects. 

4.   Develop Models from planning, constructing to completing. Get many Nations involved.
5.   Continue to do the monitoring via Internet using best on-line techniques.
6.   Separate the Projects into (a) long-term Infrastructure Projects that may have no financial returns.  Such Projects will be undertaken by Governments.  And (b) short-term profitable projects suitable for private investments.

7.   Provide Insurance and rescue projects that may have failed.  For example, some bridges may collapse.  Some oil pipes may crack.  Some electricity stations may catch fire.  Some dams may under-perform.  Some e-commerce sites may fail to deliver.

8.   Avoid war at all costs.  Focus on the eventual Globalization when all Human Beings can travel to, tour or work anywhere on Earth with respect and happiness.  Patriotism and National Boundaries will fade.

9.   Experiment with Super Democracy so that voters can participate early in policy making via structured internet forums and vote easily later in policy decisions.
10.   Get two camps to compete to help Developing Nations rich.  One camp can be headed by USA+Japan and allies.  Another Camp can be Russia+China and allies.
11.   Develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality.  Everything is third class.  Develop it to second or first class.  Examine and change the many unfair financial rules.  Look out for the economic war situations such as those in the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis or the unregulated Forex Exchanges of today.

12.   Seek win-win in every situation.  Capital, knowledge and technology are no longer scarce commodities.  Any Nation can become prosperous within one generation.  Let them learn and define their own paths via the models and Internet.

13.   Use the over-capacity well.  Give the thin-air money, knowledge and technology generously to under-developed regions in China.  Ensure that the minority races have equal or better opportunities.  Expand to beyond the borders of China.  The One Belt One Road is just a start.  Once successful, extend it to Central or South America.  Do not worry about touching the backyards of other Nations.
14.  Do not stop until every Human Being on Earth has food security, comfortable home, education, medical care, social security and self-confidence.
15.  There is no need to actively seek the Leadership Role.  Nations will look at the success examples.  Encourage them to treat such examples as third class.  Copy, improve and innovate.  Continue to host the International One Belt One Road Conferences.  Put much more effort into the Internet Forums.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 16, 2017, 04:55:26 PM


A Great Statesman would:

1.  Ask India to raise its concerns in United Nations or any appropriate International settings.
2.  Re-state the goals of OBOR as win-win for all.
3.  Suspend the building of the Road until the relationship is better.
4.  Demonstrate that China can use the exchanged Currency B to create more Modern Wealth for Nation B and China.
5.  Create wealth with Pakistan and encourage Pakistan and India to overcome the outdated British Strategy of "Divide and Rule".  Encourage eventual re-unification.  (Just mention the possible re-unification of Taiwan.)
6.  Slowly but surely take over the position of Number One Economic Power replacing USA.  Tell India that some day, India+Pakistan may take that Number One spot.  Do it in a peaceful manner so that all human beings enjoy the benefits.


*** The old Colonial approach would be:
1.  I can use Military Power to force you to do anything.  Your land is effectively mine.  You are allowed to live because of my mercy.
2.  The Red Indians virtually disappeared from the surface of the Earth.  That could have happened to any race without the knowledge and technology to protect itself.
3.  USA can wipe out North Korea and remove the nuclear threat totally.  USA might do it if there were no Russia and China (or other Nations possessing Nuclear Weapons).  The longer the delay, the more capable will be the North Korean Nuclear Missile capability.  This option will be too costly.  USA may have a few of its own cities destroyed.  (Thus the logical choice is to accept that North Korea will possess the Nuclear weapons and work with it in peace.)
4.  There is absolutely no advantage of China going to war with India.  Winning a small regional battle will continue to generate hatred in the hearts of Indians who still feel the humiliation and betrayal of the 1962 war.  Losing a small regional battle will escalate to a larger war that might lead to the use of the unthinkable nuclear arsenal.
5.  Suspend the building of a road would not harm the interest of China in any way.  Political climates change.  Who could have predicted that China and Philippines work together so well today?
6.  China needs time to show that OBOR is different from the Imperial and Colonial days - the Military Strong dictates.  China can easily help Pakistan to be rich.  China can encourage Pakistan and India to re-united or exist peacefully together.
7.  A British friend asked me: "England helped to produce a prosperous Hong Kong.  Why are the Hong Kong Citizens not grateful?"  What should be the answer???

A member of the Democratic Party in Hong Kong claimed that he was kidnapped by people from Beijing and tortured.  He got the support of the Democratic Party, held a press conference and showed staple wounds.  It immediately become front page news.

In Hong Kong, there are numerous security cameras especially in busy street from private stores.  Such videotapes showed that he walked and boarded a minibus safely.  The Democratic Party still backed him.

Are politicians that stupid?  In the International front, some Indian Soldiers tried to stop China building a road.  They did not use arms but just pushed and produced body contacts.  Was that stupidity? 

That politician got media attention.  The Indian Soldiers got International Attention.  Did they achieved their goal?
 
Did India convinced the World that the OBOR initiative from China was not all peaceful and not win-win???
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 17, 2017, 01:22:41 AM

A member of the Democratic Party in Hong Kong claimed that he was kidnapped by people from Beijing and tortured.  He got the support of the Democratic Party, held a press conference and showed staple wounds.  It immediately become front page news.

In Hong Kong, there are numerous security cameras especially in busy street from private stores.  Such videotapes showed that he walked and boarded a minibus safely.  The Democratic Party still backed him.

Are politicians that stupid?  In the International front, some Indian Soldiers tried to stop China building a road.  They did not use arms but just pushed and produced body contacts.  Was that stupidity? 

That politician got media attention.  The Indian Soldiers got International Attention.  Did they achieved their goal?
 
Did India convinced the World that the OBOR initiative from China was not all peaceful and not win-win???

Sometimes a Political Party had to back up the stupid action of its members.  Does that apply to backing up some soldiers crossing the Border?

Some Indian Politicians may see the following advantages:

1.  If China over-reacts, it will show that OROB is not win-win.

2.  Patriotism always helps to unite the Nation.

3.  Indians will buy more Indian made goods and boycott the cheaper and better Chinese goods.

4.  The politicians get more publicity by supporting the action of the Indian Soldiers.

5.  The Military will be given a higher budget.  The pro-Japanese camp will win the High Speed Rail Contracts.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 17, 2017, 11:23:59 PM
Can India have a faster pace of development than China?

1.  Can India develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class?  Then strive to turn them into second or first class?
2.  Will India forget or bypass the unnecessary polluting Industries?
3.  Will India avoid wars?
4.  Will India develop the Five Year Plans and go for the good elements of State Capitalism?
5.  Will India be able to overcome corruption and adopt the Singapore Model?
6.  Will India be able to go for the cashless society with its advantages of efficiency and monitoring of use of funds?
7.  Will India be able to use the Internet for the best education and spread of "real" information?
8.  Will India be able to gear its production both for exports and internal consumption?
9.  Will India be able to become the lowest cost producer in some industries?
10. Will India be able to copy, improve and innovate faster than any other Nation on Earth?
11. Will India be able to go for Super Democracy first and unite the Nation better than all other Nations?
12. Will India be able to develop the self-confidence to say - "whatever you can do, I can do better!"?
13. The advantage of the West was due to technology, technology and technology.  Will India be able to overtake in technology, technology and technology?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 17, 2017, 11:46:06 PM

Can India have a faster pace of development than China?

1.  Can India develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class?  Then strive to turn them into second or first class?
2.  Will India forget or bypass the unnecessary polluting Industries?
3.  Will India avoid wars?
4.  Will India develop the Five Year Plans and go for the good elements of State Capitalism?
5.  Will India be able to overcome corruption and adopt the Singapore Model?
6.  Will India be able to go for the cashless society with its advantages of efficiency and monitoring of use of funds?
7.  Will India be able to use the Internet for the best education and spread of "real" information?
8.  Will India be able to gear its production both for exports and internal consumption?
9.  Will India be able to become the lowest cost producer in some industries?
10. Will India be able to copy, improve and innovate faster than any other Nation on Earth?
11. Will India be able to go for Super Democracy first and unite the Nation better than all other Nations?
12. Will India be able to develop the self-confidence to say - "whatever you can do, I can do better!"?
13. The advantage of the West was due to technology, technology and technology.  Will India be able to overtake in technology, technology and technology?


1.  Can India develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class?  Then strive to turn them into second or first class?

The Super Silicon Valley Mentality was first developed in USA when the Computer Companies reverse engineered each other's products.  The Mentality is essential in that cut-throat competitive environment.  Scientists and Engineers will not contend to be second-best.


I worked closely with many Indian Engineers  since the 1970s.  Almost all engineers of all Nationalities were subjected to such mentality.  We reverse-engineered products.  We debated on possible improvements.  We worked for long hours.  We discussed issues over pints of beer. 


I am absolutely certain that some of the Indian Engineers I worked with also developed the Super Silicon Valley Mentality.  Many went back to India and developed their impressive IT industry inside India.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 17, 2017, 11:59:52 PM

Can India have a faster pace of development than China?

1.  Can India develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class?  Then strive to turn them into second or first class?
2.  Will India forget or bypass the unnecessary polluting Industries?
3.  Will India avoid wars?
4.  Will India develop the Five Year Plans and go for the good elements of State Capitalism?
5.  Will India be able to overcome corruption and adopt the Singapore Model?
6.  Will India be able to go for the cashless society with its advantages of efficiency and monitoring of use of funds?
7.  Will India be able to use the Internet for the best education and spread of "real" information?
8.  Will India be able to gear its production both for exports and internal consumption?
9.  Will India be able to become the lowest cost producer in some industries?
10. Will India be able to copy, improve and innovate faster than any other Nation on Earth?
11. Will India be able to go for Super Democracy first and unite the Nation better than all other Nations?
12. Will India be able to develop the self-confidence to say - "whatever you can do, I can do better!"?
13. The advantage of the West was due to technology, technology and technology.  Will India be able to overtake in technology, technology and technology?

2.  Will India forget or bypass the unnecessary polluting Industries?

China is suffering from the bad effects of the polluting industries.  At one time, China was focusing on low cost production.  The toxic wastes were just dumped into the rivers.  The polluting exhausts or smoke were simply released into the atmosphere. 

The car industry was developed without regard to pollution and traffic jams.  Now, China is considering High Speed Rail as a better solution.  Much more attention is paid to subway trains, light rails, traffic-jam free cities, shared cars and bicycles etc.

Solar and Wind energies are given high priorities in China.  India will not ignore such.  India depends on imported oil more than China.  It must examine all energy sources more carefully.

The area of India is much smaller than China.  The population is roughly equal and may surpass that of China soon. Polluting the environment will have a more harmful effect...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 18, 2017, 04:11:28 PM


Can India have a faster pace of development than China?

1.  Can India develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class?  Then strive to turn them into second or first class?
2.  Will India forget or bypass the unnecessary polluting Industries?
3.  Will India avoid wars?
4.  Will India develop the Five Year Plans and go for the good elements of State Capitalism?
5.  Will India be able to overcome corruption and adopt the Singapore Model?
6.  Will India be able to go for the cashless society with its advantages of efficiency and monitoring of use of funds?
7.  Will India be able to use the Internet for the best education and spread of "real" information?
8.  Will India be able to gear its production both for exports and internal consumption?
9.  Will India be able to become the lowest cost producer in some industries?
10. Will India be able to copy, improve and innovate faster than any other Nation on Earth?
11. Will India be able to go for Super Democracy first and unite the Nation better than all other Nations?
12. Will India be able to develop the self-confidence to say - "whatever you can do, I can do better!"?
13. The advantage of the West was due to technology, technology and technology.  Will India be able to overtake in technology, technology and technology?

3.  Will India avoid wars?

At the back of the mind of many Indians, the 1962 defeat by China is a humiliation that must be revenged.  It is similar to the Opium War when China was humiliated by the British.  China no longer seek war with Britain or the West.  But China wants to show that it is better than the West.  (Even many of us who studied and worked in the West for many years harbor that thought.)

Hong Kong was a British Colony for 99 years.  India was a British Colony longer than that.  At one time, the British Ruling Class enjoyed many special privileges.  Even some parks had the sign that "Chinese and Dogs are not allowed".  Some British questioned why the Hong Kong Chinese were not grateful for the Civilization, Knowledge, Religion, Law and Order, Democratic Values, Science and Technology know-how.  Some British claimed that Hong Kong became an important Financial Center because it was under British Rule.  During the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s, many Chinese Refugees crossed the Border to settle in Hong Kong.

Now Hong Kong has been returned to China.  To our delight, the Chinese Economy developed rapidly.  Have we forgotten the "Century of Humiliation"?  It was one of the strongest driving forces.  That driving force is one of the reasons behind the rise of the Dragon.

My guess is that the 1962 humiliation suffered by India provides a very strong driving force.  It is helping the rise of the Elephant.

The ruling elites of both China and India do not want war.  But the citizens can be easily incited to do stupid things.  Few would like to see an all out nuclear war.  But many Indians want to have a "controlled war of revenge" as judged by their news media.

The Think Tanks from both China and India should now step onto the stage. Avoid war at all costs.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 19, 2017, 12:25:27 AM

 
Can India have a faster pace of development than China?
 
 1.  Can India develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class?  Then [font=]strive to turn them into second or first class?[/font]
 2.  Will India forget or bypass the unnecessary polluting Industries?
 3.  Will India avoid wars?
 4.  Will India develop the Five Year Plans and go for the good elements of State Capitalism?
 5.  Will India be able to overcome corruption and adopt the Singapore Model?
 6.  Will India be able to go for the cashless society with its advantages of efficiency and monitoring of use of funds?
 7.  Will India be able to use the Internet for the best education and spread of "real" information?
 8.  Will India be able to gear its production both for exports and internal consumption?
 9.  Will India be able to become the lowest cost producer in some industries?
 10. Will India be able to copy, improve and innovate faster than any other Nation on Earth?
 11. Will India be able to go for Super Democracy first and unite the Nation better than all other Nations?
 12. Will India be able to develop the self-confidence to say - "whatever you can do, I can do better!"?
 13. The advantage of the West was due to technology, technology and technology.  Will India be able to overtake in technology, technology and technology?

4.  Will India develop the Five Year Plans and go for the good elements of
State Capitalism?

The old style of Five Year Plans without computers relied much on humans and often unreliable information.  They were “great leap forwards” of faith.  Now the many what-if scenarios can be played out.  The progress of any project can be monitored.  Compensation money can be deposited directly to the Bank Accounts of the affected families and traced.

The teachings of Market Forces from the West are now discredited.  The 1997 Asian Financial Crisis showed that “crocodile speculators” from USA could destroy entire economies.  The 2008 World Financial Crisis showed that Greed of some Investment Bankers could rock the fundamental financial trust.  The subtle and unpublished 2016 attack on RMB drained one Trillion USD of the Chinese Currency reserve.  Fortunately, China finally realized that it did not need to play by the unregulated Forex Exchange Rules.  China can ignore the speculative market forces and specify its own RMB Exchange Rate.

India must have learned the lessons.  Its massive infrastructure plans are long term.  It does not seek funds from IMF or World Bank.  It will print its thin-air money to develop such infrastructures.  It will not rely on Exports to generate the needed capital.  It will learn, copy and improve the required technologies.

India knows that it needs both hands – State Planning and Private Entrepreneurship – to move ahead.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 19, 2017, 02:12:55 AM

 
Can India have a faster pace of development than China?
 
 1.  Can India develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class?  Then strive to turn them into second or first class?
 2.  Will India forget or bypass the unnecessary polluting Industries?
 3.  Will India avoid wars?
 4.  Will India develop the Five Year Plans and go for the good elements of State Capitalism?
 5.  Will India be able to overcome corruption and adopt the Singapore Model?
 6.  Will India be able to go for the cashless society with its advantages of efficiency and monitoring of use of funds?
 7.  Will India be able to use the Internet for the best education and spread of "real" information?
 8.  Will India be able to gear its production both for exports and internal consumption?
 9.  Will India be able to become the lowest cost producer in some industries?
 10. Will India be able to copy, improve and innovate faster than any other Nation on Earth?
 11. Will India be able to go for Super Democracy first and unite the Nation better than all other Nations?
 12. Will India be able to develop the self-confidence to say - "whatever you can do, I can do better!"?
 13. The advantage of the West was due to technology, technology and technology.  Will India be able to overtake in technology, technology and technology?
5.  Will India be able to overcome corruption and adopt the Singapore Model?

Corruption occurs when there is financial or other interests involved.  The worst is group corruption.  Some developing countries learned the printing of thin-air money.  They let it out of control.  Instead of using the thin-air money to generate more Meaningful Economic Activities, they destroyed the “trust” in such papers.

The old corruption in Hong Kong and China would affect the lives of ordinary citizens.  For example, in the 1960s, if you want to get a driver’s license, you have to give a hundred Hong Kong Dollar Bill to the examiner.  If you were a street hawker, you had to pay a small sum to avoid arrest.  The illegal businesses (prostitution, gambling and drugs) were protected by the Police.

In the 1960s in China, everyone was poor.  There was not much money changing hands.  But when China opened up in the 1980s, there were few controls.  The sons and daughters of Senior Officials were encouraged to go into Business.  They could obtain Bank Loans via their connections.  Soon, enterprising individuals or companies found that if they could connect to such Princelings, their businesses would flourish.  The 1989 student protest was a result.

The Communist Party realized that they must develop the economy at a fast pace to hold on to power.  Officials were promoted according to their ability to generate wealth.  Official went out of their ways to attract investment and foster economic growth.  One example was my friend receiving a phone call at 11pm at night from Officials working on the application of his proposal.  I asked: “It is 11pm now.  Does Chinese Officials work this late?”  The reply: “They are more like business partners.”

Nowadays, Corrupt Officials are afraid to show their wealth.  They and their relatives dare not drive expensive cars, wear luxury jewelry or own mansions.  If they were photographed, their careers will suffer.  What is the point of corruption when one cannot enjoy it?

India is in a similar phase.  The Internet Technology in India is advanced.  India is moving in the direction of the cashless society.

Corruption can be traced easily.  Most politicians realized that they could help their sons and daughters to enter into legitimate businesses. That helped the economy.

Singapore is a good example of State Capitalism.  The Government is actively helping the private sector with information, connections, funding and policies.  Officials are well paid.  If they were found or suspected to be corrupt, they would be “finished”.  Singapore is a small place with nowhere to hide.  It is better to be clean and help the private sector (including friends and relatives) to become wealthy.  It is legitimate and respected.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 19, 2017, 07:09:55 AM


Can India have a faster pace of development than China?

1.  Can India develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class?  Then strive to turn them into second or first class?
2.  Will India forget or bypass the unnecessary polluting Industries?
3.  Will India avoid wars?
4.  Will India develop the Five Year Plans and go for the good elements of State Capitalism?
5.  Will India be able to overcome corruption and adopt the Singapore Model?
6.  Will India be able to go for the cashless society with its advantages of efficiency and monitoring of use of funds?
7.  Will India be able to use the Internet for the best education and spread of "real" information?
8.  Will India be able to gear its production both for exports and internal consumption?
9.  Will India be able to become the lowest cost producer in some industries?
10. Will India be able to copy, improve and innovate faster than any other Nation on Earth?
11. Will India be able to go for Super Democracy first and unite the Nation better than all other Nations?
12. Will India be able to develop the self-confidence to say - "whatever you can do, I can do better!"?
13. The advantage of the West was due to technology, technology and technology.  Will India be able to overtake in technology, technology and technology?

6.  Will India be able to go for the cashless society with its advantages of efficiency and monitoring of use of funds?


There is no doubt that the IT industry in India is amongst the best in the World.  There are talks of providing every citizen a smart phone that can act as identity card, bank card, credit card, e-commerce card, medical card, social service card, education and entertainment tool.

The cost of providing such a smart phone is less than providing the education to achieve the necessary knowledge and know-how with the traditional methods.  At one time, there was talk of a smart phone produced in India that would be less than USD30.  The Indian Government might subsidize such a device.

In the affluent West, everything is linked to money.  US Citizens will automatically think about the cost of the Apple i-phone and conclude that such is an impossible dream.

But technology can be learned.  Computers were thought to be outside the budget and knowledge of the average citizen.  Within half a generation, it has reached every corner of the Earth.  My six year old granddaughter can play with the i-pads and i-phones better than me.

If the Indians are determined, they can produce miracles.  There is no need to follow the traditional path of copper telephone lines, highways, coal fired electricity generators, schools with teachers and blackboards, banks and paper money.  Those are third class stuff that need to be replaced...
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 19, 2017, 09:15:36 AM


Can India have a faster pace of development than China?

1.  Can India develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class?  Then strive to turn them into second or first class?
2.  Will India forget or bypass the unnecessary polluting Industries?
3.  Will India avoid wars?
4.  Will India develop the Five Year Plans and go for the good elements of State Capitalism?
5.  Will India be able to overcome corruption and adopt the Singapore Model?
6.  Will India be able to go for the cashless society with its advantages of efficiency and monitoring of use of funds?
7.  Will India be able to use the Internet for the best education and spread of "real" information?
8.  Will India be able to gear its production both for exports and internal consumption?
9.  Will India be able to become the lowest cost producer in some industries?
10. Will India be able to copy, improve and innovate faster than any other Nation on Earth?
11. Will India be able to go for Super Democracy first and unite the Nation better than all other Nations?
12. Will India be able to develop the self-confidence to say - "whatever you can do, I can do better!"?
13. The advantage of the West was due to technology, technology and technology.  Will India be able to overtake in technology, technology and technology?

7.  Will India be able to use the Internet for the best education and spread of "real" information?

So far, the Internet has proven to be the most efficient way of spreading information.  Anyone can be a source of information.  It produces information overload.  Good and bad are mixed together.

Will the Indian Government be able to fund “recommended websites”?  Will it be able to stand the expected criticism? Will it be able to use the structured Internet Forums to provide “real information”?

I believe the West dominated for the last 500 years because of technology, technology and technology.  Technology can be learned – even if the West wants to suppress certain parts of it.  North Korea demonstrated that even nuclear missile technology can be learned.

China under Mao advocated self-reliance.  Without the knowledge base, the path was difficult.  Mao called for the Cultural Revolution to suppress the many failures.  Many dams were substandard.  Many village steel were useless.  Many deep ploughing methods yielded less crops.  Political loyalty was more important than scientific knowledge.

China under Deng changed all that. Special Economic Zones were created.  Foreign investment was welcome.  Technical knowledge became key.  There were many areas thought to be essential were really unnecessary.  These areas include:
1.       Pollute the environment is a necessary price to pay for development.
2.       Subsidizing exports and earning large Foreign Currency Reserves is always the best policy.  This is similar to an individual producing more goods and having a larger number in the Bank Account.
3.       Listening to the West on the Financial Rules of Market Forces, need to borrow from IMF or World Bank, keeping US Dollar or US Treasury Bills, need to play in the unregulated Forex Exchange Markets to keep the RMB Exchange Rate…
4.       The superiority of the West must not be challenged.  The West provided real civilization of equality, democracy, freedom, religion and rule of Law.  The traditional Chinese ways of Emperors were concentrating the power and wealth to the hands of Royal Families.  Such ways essentially enslaved the rest of the Nation.
5.       Communism must be given up totally.  USSR fell for it.

India, with its IT technology, watched and learned.   Its news media is less controlled and thus less one-sided.  In most cases, that will help to produce a better solution.  (Avoid Wars at all costs!)
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 19, 2017, 02:46:40 PM


Can India have a faster pace of development than China?

1.  Can India develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class?  Then strive to turn them into second or first class?
2.  Will India forget or bypass the unnecessary polluting Industries?
3.  Will India avoid wars?
4.  Will India develop the Five Year Plans and go for the good elements of State Capitalism?
5.  Will India be able to overcome corruption and adopt the Singapore Model?
6.  Will India be able to go for the cashless society with its advantages of efficiency and monitoring of use of funds?
7.  Will India be able to use the Internet for the best education and spread of "real" information?
8.  Will India be able to gear its production both for exports and internal consumption?
9.  Will India be able to become the lowest cost producer in some industries?
10. Will India be able to copy, improve and innovate faster than any other Nation on Earth?
11. Will India be able to go for Super Democracy first and unite the Nation better than all other Nations?
12. Will India be able to develop the self-confidence to say - "whatever you can do, I can do better!"?
13. The advantage of the West was due to technology, technology and technology.  Will India be able to overtake in technology, technology and technology?

8.  Will India be able to gear its production both for exports and internal consumption?

China focused on exports as its main engine of growth at one time.  It actually subsidized its exports via policies and taxes.  It produced a large surplus of Exports over Imports.  At one time, it did not realize that its large population of 1.3 billion already provided a large market. 

India has a similar large population.  It does not rely on export as the main engine of growth.  This has the advantage that the growth is less dependent on outside factors.  The World paid less attention to India as fewer Indian Goods dominate the World Market.

When a Nation focuses on Exports, it has to try to become the lowest cost producer.  The task of India is to get many of its poor out of poverty.  China expects to lift every citizen out of poverty by 2020.  India may be a few years behind.
 
With a different set of goals, different actions will result.  India will not aim to “please the foreign customers”.  India aims to “please its workers”.  India can produce goods and services for its own citizens.  India can focus on reducing pollution, providing healthy working conditions, giving adequate social services and equalizing opportunities.  India does not worry about food security. India does not worry about education. India does not aim to accumulate large Foreign Currency Reserves.  India does not worry about mastering high technology.  India can have a different development model from China (or from the West).
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 20, 2017, 03:16:07 PM

Can India have a faster pace of development than China?

1.  Can India develop the Super Silicon Valley Mentality and treat everything as third class?  Then strive to turn them into second or first class?
2.  Will India forget or bypass the unnecessary polluting Industries?
3.  Will India avoid wars?
4.  Will India develop the Five Year Plans and go for the good elements of State Capitalism?
5.  Will India be able to overcome corruption and adopt the Singapore Model?
6.  Will India be able to go for the cashless society with its advantages of efficiency and monitoring of use of funds?
7.  Will India be able to use the Internet for the best education and spread of "real" information?
8.  Will India be able to gear its production both for exports and internal consumption?
9.  Will India be able to become the lowest cost producer in some industries?
10. Will India be able to copy, improve and innovate faster than any other Nation on Earth?
11. Will India be able to go for Super Democracy first and unite the Nation better than all other Nations?
12. Will India be able to develop the self-confidence to say - "whatever you can do, I can do better!"?
13. The advantage of the West was due to technology, technology and technology.  Will India be able to overtake in technology, technology and technology?


 [font=]9.  Will India be able to become the [font=]lowest cost producer in some industries[/font]?[/color][/font]
 
 At one time, Economists advocated that Nations should become the lowest cost producers in order to beat the competition.  The workers should accept lower wages.  The pollution to the environment should be tolerated.  Every effort should be focused on efficiency and cutting costs.  Success of any Nation is measured in the accumulation of its Foreign Currency Reserve.
  Now, Economists start to question the advantage of holding a large Foreign Currency Reserve.  More are advocating balanced trade.  Protection of the environment has taken importance.  Welfare of the workers will not be ignored.
India, with its large and growing population, can beat China in terms of low wages.  Its IT technology is providing it an edge in management and marketing.  Should it try to become the lowest producer in some industries?
I was having lunch in a famous noodle restaurant.  I had the following conversation.
Tseung: “Your beef noodle is excellent but your menu is limited.  Have you ever considered increasing your menu?”
Manager: “Most customers order the beef noodle.  Many come because of this particular dish.  Our chef cooked this dish for over 20 years.  He is also a co-owner.  He does not want to expand and earn more money.” 
Tseung: “He can open many branches.  Let more people enjoy this excellent dish.  He can make much more money without too much hard ."
 
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 21, 2017, 07:56:42 AM
The first draft of the document is saved in RTF format in overunityresearch.com under the thread One Belt One Road.  Reply 125.


It will be updated in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 23, 2017, 09:15:17 AM

What should be in a Special Economic Zone?

China used Special Economic Zones successfully.  China is helping to set up many Special Economic Zones in the One Belt One Road Nations.  What should be in a Special Economic Zone?


1.   Model Infrastructures such as electricity, water, sewage, garbage disposal, roads, railways, schools, malls, residential areas, recreational facilities, hospitals, retirement centers etc.  In other words, there must be excellent city planning right from the beginning.  The plans should cater for the local climate, culture and needs of Citizens, Foreign Workers and Tourists.
2.   Special Policies that may be different from other parts of the Nation.  The most obvious is the tax structure.  Governments plan to generate wealth via increased Meaningful Economic Activities and not tax revenues. 
3.   Possible “International Zones” within the Special Economic Zones.  These “International Zones” include restaurants, retail stores, exhibition halls, entertainment areas and business activity centers.  Special events such as celebrations on the National Days can be scheduled.
4.   Internet demonstration Centers that can monitor the businesses in the Special Economic Zones.  For example, the computer systems of a fast food restaurant can already monitor the on-line business transactions.  The same technology can be modified to retail stores, factories, amusement parks and hotels etc.
5.   E-commerce Centers.  There is no need for actual floor space for many businesses.  Many small and medium size businesses can be on-line.  Efficient International payment systems should be developed.  (China can help to set up RMB as the default settlement and reserve currency in such Special Economic Zones.)



6.   Mutual Credits.  China will accept much of the payment of Infrastructures with the currency of the OBOR Nations.  These Nations will not have much debt.  China can use their currency to build Modern Wealth for them.
7.   One of the key demonstrations is sure-win businesses.  When China holds a large quantity of Currency B, China can use that Currency B to generate sure-win businesses.  For example, China can set up an eatery with much of the overhead paid to the locals in Currency B.  The eatery will have many International Food Stalls managed by the many OBOR Nations.  These Stalls will focus on specialty food.
8.   Students in Hotel Management or Food Catering may be paid and work in such eatery for specified times.  Much effort will be paid to foster friendship and mutual respect.  The model can be expanded to other establishments including retail, factory, design, think tanks etc.
9.   The experience gained in the Special Economic Zones will be appropriately promoted.  When ready, the OROB conferences may be held at such Special Economic Zones.  Local Universities should have a department in the Special Economic Zones to give it an academic element.



10.   One of the elements to consider is the speculative element.  When one Special Economic Zones is successful, many investors will pour money into that and other Special Economic Zones.  For example, the Special Economic Zone of Shenzhen is spectacularly successful.  Much speculative money poured in.  The planners of the Special Economic Zones should make consideration for such Investors.  They will give most projects additional momentum. (Watch the bubbles.)
11.   Success stories of how different Individuals make their fortune.  Almost all the Chinese Entrepreneurs made their fortune within the last 30 years. Many new entrepreneurs will make their fortune in the Special Economic Zones in the coming decades.  Translate such stories into many different languages and use actors of many races.  One motivating story is Former US president Obama – a black person can become the president of USA. 
12.   Tie scientific and technological successes with motivating stories.  Tell the story of building the Three Gorges Dam.  Create a love story to arouse the emotions.  Promote the new Globalisation Spirit subtly – win-win, plan, work and enjoy the fruits together.  Promote racial harmony as much as possible.



13.   Use the Think Tanks well.  These Think Tanks can solve current problems.  For example, USA sees North Korea developing Nuclear Missile Capabilities as a problem.  North Korea sees such capabilities as long term security for the Nation.  Rather than waiting for the outcome, Think Tanks can propose their solution in movies and stories.  Another current event is the India-China Border Dispute.  This event has the funny side of soldiers pushing each other rather than shooting.  The solution stories should be educational and point to win-win.
14.   There should also be stories of mixed marriages, traditional customs and modern concept conflicts, religious harmonies and international joint ventures.  Promote the concept that technology can be learned, mastered and improved.  Technology and innovation do not depend on IQ.  Machines now have higher IQ than humans.
15.   Tourism and short-term work tours should be strongly encouraged.  Prepare the participants well.  Make sure the experiences are enjoyable and memorable.  Create opportunities for retired people to contribute – not via competition but via experience and kindness.
16.   Financial stories should be played out.  Take the example of printing thin-air money. The stories can cover the whole range of refusing to print, over-printing and printing appropriately.  The stories can also cover Currency Swaps, Mutual Credits and cashless societies.
17.   Financial stories of the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997, collapse of USSR in 1991, subtle attack on the RMB causing the loss of one trillion USD will also be educational.  Tell the story from both sides – the victors and the victims.  In addition, the Rise of Vietnam, Singapore, Thailand and many other Countries may be motivating stories.  There will be no shortage of topics.
18.   Many of the innovative solutions can be tried in the Special Economic Zones.  It does not matter if some projects fail.  Example of innovative solutions may include traffic jam free cities, cashless society, energy saving technologies, relationship selling, new biological and agricultural technologies.



19.   The management of the Special Economic Zones must have the Super Silicon Valley Mentality.  Everything is only third class.  It is our duty to improve them to second or first class.  Everything covers infrastructures, law and order, social services, care for each other and Globalization attitude.  The constant strive for excellence will make the Special Economic Zones shine as example for the World.
20.   The Think Tanks must try to provide constant monitoring, think out-of-the-box, debate with one another, examine and redefine what are the Meaningful Economic Activities?  They should use structured internet forums to provide logical and improving suggestions.
21.   The projects should be divided into long-term, non-profit making funded by Government Thin-Money and short-term, profit making projects funded by the Private Sector.  Make sure the projects are thought out carefully and managed vigorously.  Have special Five Year Plans for the Special Economic Zones.

Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on August 25, 2017, 11:36:33 PM

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3482.msg64545#msg64545 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3482.msg64545#msg64545)


Example post on Creating stories to change the future 9

Conversation of Economists in India

Person A: “Is India on the right economic path?  The GDP growth is over seven percent.  Infrastructures are being built.  The living standard of the citizens is improving.  Whatelse can be done better?”

Person B: “Set up Special Economic Zones to try out Super Democracy, Cashless Society, Robots to achieve high efficiency, Traffic Jam Free Cities, Internet Conferences, Life-long Education, Green Energy Industries and other Innovative ideas.”

Person C: “Should India be content to grow at the present rate?  The thin-air money is already being spent wisely on Infrastructures.  India may not be capturing the Headlines as China.  But our growth is fast and well controlled.  Our youngsters see hope and prosperity.  They know that if they work hard, they will have a better future than their parents.”

Person A: “I want to focus more on Thin-air Money. Is it really true that we can pump out thin-air money to develop our Infrastructures without bad side-effects?”

Person B: “I was educated in Britain with the old school of economics.  Adam Smith concepts were Gospels.  It took me a long time to accept that Capital is not a scarce resource.  I believed a Nation should function like an Individual – work hard and accumulate wealth.  Money must be earned and not printed.”

Person C: “I still remember the many nights we argued and yelled at each other.  Fortunately, in our hearts, we knew that we are trying to introduce the best for India.  So far, we have not borrowed much from World Bank or IMF.  We have not gotten huge Foreign Investment.  But our Infrastructures are popping up everywhere.”

Person A: “Some Western Economists told me that we must pay back the thin-air money.  If we do not pay, our future generations must pay.  Are they right?”

Person C: “They are wrong.  We shall leave Infrastructures, knowledge and security for our children.  We shall not leave debts for them to repay.  We never need to borrow from World Bank, IMF, or AIIB.  We borrow from our own State Banks.  They need to master and control the science of thin-air money creation and removal.  Capitalism is dead.  It is a thing of the past.”

Person B: “For a Nation, it is no longer – who has the gold rules.  The infinite Gold Mine is behind the Nation.  It is a matter of translating this Gold into Meaningful Economic Activities to benefit the Citizens.”

Person C: “If we spend 100 billion to build a road, we can add 100 billion to our assets.  We always have a balanced budget.  Make sure that we have the technology, technology and technology.”
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 02, 2017, 05:43:34 AM
The Doklam border dispute between India and China was resolved peacefully.


Some Comments:

1.  It is a win-win for both China and India.  India achieved its goal of getting world attention and arousing nationalism.  China achieved its goal of retaining the image of a peaceful rising power.

2.  Some Internet posts and news media tried to incite war.  Some of these posts were from evil foreign parties wanting to see India and China derailed from their fast development path.  Some are from misguided Indian and Chinese "Patriots".  The most stupid posts even claimed that nuclear wars destroying dams and cities were justified.

3.  Fortunately, the Leaders are sensible.  Capital, knowledge and technology are no longer scarce.  Both India and China can carry on with massive infrastructure projects to lift their citizens out of poverty.  Not only that, they can revive their Cultures to provide a different model from Imperialism and Colonialism.

4.  If a Nation wants to become rich and remain rich, the best strategy is to help other Nations rich.

5.  The USA strategy of keeping other Nations "inferior" so that it can Dominate forever will not work for long.  USA will have to accept North Korea and other Nations will develop the Nuclear Weapon Capabilities.  Technology cannot be bottled up.  The win-win, plan together, work together and enjoy the fruits together OBOR initiative is much better. 

6. BRICS can be one camp to compete with USA and allies to help Developing Nations rich...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 03, 2017, 10:44:04 PM
Creating Stories to change the future 17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rd89DErkwY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rd89DErkwY)

Raising pigs with high technology, green energy and marketing.  This series already has over 450 stories. It shows small improvements can make a big difference to the Chinese Economy and Technology.  Even the average person can achieve and such improvements

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMTaHAAGGHg&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMTaHAAGGHg&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)

Zhifujing - how an ordinary folk can get rich.  There are over 950 stories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMTaHAAGGHg&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMTaHAAGGHg&list=PLYG8vFcMYIaIlscXsnAEHea7cyiEaQxq1)

Such stories can motivate the average citizen. 

*Citizens use their brains and eyes to spot every opportunity to make money.  Governments increase the money supply via building more infrastructures.  The result is more citizens earn more money via outstanding efforts.  India and China are moving along on such win-win paths.  Why war?  Print thin-air money to build infrastructures.  Control the currency so that it is used for trading purposes only - not speculation.  Introduce currency control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inmmwEILB0Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inmmwEILB0Y)

The above series from CCTV outline the peaceful diplomacy of China.                    
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 05, 2017, 05:00:47 PM

Comments on the BRICS summit in China.

1.  These BRICS Nations still need Infrastructures to improve the standard of living of their citizens.  Infrastructures include roads, bridges, rail, dams, electricity, Internet, hospitals, retirement centers, education institutes, hotels and entertainment facilities.

2.  Food security is no longer a problem.  Military security is not a problem if India and China do not start any wars.

3.  Thin-air Money will be used to develop Infrastructures and more Meaningful Economic Activities.

4.  USA and Europe print more thin-air money to drive up the Stock Market, the Derivatives, the Bonds and the Forex Markets.  These are more like Casin*s.  BRICS have to guard against such Economic or Currency Wars.

5.  BRICS have to develop the self-confidence that they are on a better path of development than the Developed Nations.  Whatever the West says are Third Class Only.  It is the duty of the BRICS to turn them into Second or First Class...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 14, 2017, 10:54:42 PM
Latest energy News from China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyvKyijvk9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyvKyijvk9U)

Chinese Scientists successfully extracted energy from hot rock in the Western Parts of China.  Estimated quantity will serve the Chinese Energy Needs for the next 3900 years.  We shall eagerly wait for the details...


Hot dry rock geothermal energy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hot dry rock (HDR) is by far the most abundant source of geothermal energy available to mankind. A vast store of thermal energy is contained in the hot—but essentially dry—impervious crystalline basement rocks found almost everywhere deep beneath the earth’s surface. A concept for the extraction of useful amounts of geothermal energy from HDR originated at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in 1970, and Laboratory researchers were awarded a U.S. patent covering it.

Although often confused with the relatively limited hydrothermal resource already commercialized to a large extent, HDR geothermal energy is very different. Whereas hydrothermal energy production can only exploit hot fluids already in place in the earth’s crust, an HDR system (consisting of the pressurized HDR reservoir, the boreholes drilled from the surface, and the surface injection pumps and associated plumbing) recovers the earth’s heat from hot but dry regions via the closed-loop circulation of pressurized fluid. This fluid, injected from the surface under high pressure, opens pre-existing joints in the basement rock, thus creating a man-made reservoir that may be as much as a cubic kilometer in size. The fluid injected into the reservoir absorbs thermal energy from the high-temperature rock surfaces and then serves as the vehicle for transporting that heat to the surface for practical use.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on September 15, 2017, 12:07:25 PM
"Whereas hydrothermal energy production
can only exploit hot fluids already in place in the
earth’s crust"

Yes
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 15, 2017, 05:27:36 PM
"Whereas hydrothermal energy production
can only exploit hot fluids already in place in the
earth’s crust"

Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRPp6iYDGls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRPp6iYDGls)
The above is from CCTV13.  It looks like the information is real.

If the information is real, China is doing the following:

1.  Find locations where there may be a Natural Fault which can act as heat storage/reservoir.
2.  Use technology to produce such Faults or Reservoirs.
3.  Improve the drilling technique to drill deeper and faster.  (One suggestion is to use the no drill head technology.  Use Brown's Gas to burn through rocks.)

I actually used Brown's Gas to burn through bricks over 20 years ago.  Brown's gas is produced by "fresh electrolysis".  The Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms are still in the mono-atomic state.  When such a gas is ignited, it has special properties - such as melting tungsten, burn through bricks but feels cool when touched by hand.  It can cause implosion rather than explosion.  But once it is not used, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms will combine to the highly explosive mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gases.  The late Yull Brown spent some years in China and helped to develop some commercial Brown Gas Generators.

Note that the discussed technology is hot, dry rocks(HDR).  HDR exist almost everywhere if one drills deep enough (assuming the center of the earth is still hot, molten).  The trick is to extract the energy by injecting water from one hole and extracting the steam from another.  In many locations, the water will go elsewhere and wasted.  It is a matter of finding the right location, store and extract the heat.  China is able to achieve that in some (5) experimental holes/wells in Tibet.

A concept for the extraction of useful amounts of geothermal energy from HDR originated at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in 1970.
China was able to turn that concept into successful experiments 50 years later.  Technology, technology and technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 18, 2017, 06:00:32 PM
Game Changer at the Fishing Pond and its implications.

At the Fishing Pond I frequently visit, the bait supplied by the owner used to be the traditional mixture of flour and grounded-up peanuts from oil factories after the peanut oil is extracted.  Bottom fishing technique is used.  The fishes caught (mainly tilapia) are usually small.

Recently, the owners reached business deals with some bakeries.  They got large supply of “unused portions of sandwich bread”.  The half dried bread floats on the surface and the fishes compete to devour them.  The fishes caught this way are usually the larger ones.  The on-lookers can see the fishes rushing to eat the bait and that creates much excitement.

One fellow fisherman remarked: “This changes the equipment and technique I used all my life.  I can see that it brings more excitement and thus more business to the owners.”

The Game Changer is occurring at the Fishing Pond.  But the other major Economic Game Changer is occurring all over the World.

The old rule of the Economic World was – Capital was King. If Nation X wants to build an infrastructure, it has to pay.  It needs to beg the World Bank or IMF.  It needs to get USD to pay for energy, technology and foreign experts.

The new rule is – Technology is King.  Nation X should master the technology. Capital can be printed from thin-air. Some Nations with spare capacity and know-how (e.g. China and Japan) are willing to go for win-win. They accept Currency X via Currency Swaps or Mutual Credits.  Plan together, work together and enjoy the fruits together.

(The fishes caught are larger.  The on-lookers can enjoy the excitement together.  The owners get more profit.  The Infrastructures built are bigger.  The on-lookers can see and enjoy together.  The Nations involved get more knowledge, technology and prosperity.)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 20, 2017, 01:16:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihIKCsbpGpM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihIKCsbpGpM)

The post praises President Trump via his misguided policies that indirectly help the rise of China.

One of the points I would like to make here is on Currency War.

1.  President Trump thinks that China deliberately lowered its RMB exchange rate to help Exports.  The misguided policy is to force the RMB to appreciate.  In reality, this will diminish the dominance of the US Dollar.  When the RMB slowly appreciates, Nations will use it as the Settlement and Reserve Currency.  It is better than holding Gold.  RMB deposits earn interest.  RMB can purchase almost all types of goods and services.

2.  The concept of Mutual Credits has not been taken seriously yet.  Some Wall Street Analysts treated it as Currency Swap with little future. In reality, this allows Nations to use their own thin-air money with their trading partners.  They do not need to borrow USD thus making World Bank or IMF irrelevant.  For example, China has a mutual credit arrangement of 10 Billion RMB with Nation X at an agreed, fixed exchange rate of Y within a one year time frame.  This means Nation X has 10 Billion RMB to purchase goods and services from China and vice versa.  Trade and investment will be stimulated.  (The 10 Billion RMB will be effectively worthless if not used within the one year time frame.  Think of it as gift coupons with an expiration date!)

3.  The fixed exchange rate effectively pegged Currency X to RMB for the one year period for a total value of 10 Billion.  This arrangement partially shields Currency X from the attack of the Crocodiles.  Once Currency X is pegged, more stability in trading will result.  If Nation X indiscriminately prints Currency X, the maximum risk is only a manageable 10 Billion RMB.  Market forces (or Crocodiles) will not be able to devout Nation X as in 1991 with USSR and in 1997 with the Asian Nations.  The present unregulated Forex Exchanges need to be reformed.  Wall Street and the West will not initiate reforms as they are profiting from it.

4.  The World will no longer be dominated by World Bank, IMF, AIIB etc.  There will be many local national banks catering for the local needs.  All these local national banks can print thin-air money with limited support via Mutual Credits.  When China is successful with the win-win, plan together, work together and enjoy the fruits together OBOR initiative, many Developing Nations X will acquire the knowledge and technology.  (Runs on local national banks can be prevented with some Big Government or National Guarantees such as practiced in China or Hong Kong.)

5.  When local banks loan to private companies and individuals, these companies and individuals can get rich much more quickly.  When the World was dominated by USA, IMF and the World Bank were used as political tools.  Nation X must submit to USA to get thin-air USD.  Now Nation X can print its own thin-air money and set up Mutual Credit Arrangements (plan together with other Nations, especially China).

6. The new financial rule is no longer totally domination of the USD.  It will be the collective Mutual Credit Arrangements of many Nations.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 21, 2017, 01:08:32 AM

Senior Citizen A: "I disagree that Governments should print thin-air money to get its citizens rich.  A Government should be like an individual.  It must earn its living.  It must collect taxes.  It must sell or lease out land."

Senior Citizen B: "In a zero sum game, if A earns more, B will earn less.  A Government must pump out more money for both A and B to get richer."

Senior Citizen C: "Let USA pump out the money.  All other Nations must work and earn such thin-air USD.  It works.  Hong Kong is an example.  When USA placed orders for plastic flowers in the 1960s, Hong Kong businessmen earned USD, workers got paid, restaurants got customers etc.  Prosperity flows down from USA."

Senior Citizen B: "Can China or other Nations take on the role of pumping out thin-air money?"

Senior Citizen D: "That will upset the Status Quo. USA will incite riots, overthrow Governments or send in Drones to bomb."

Senior Citizen A: "Sorry to have started the topic. Let us enjoy our present lives in peace and harmony."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: lancaIV on September 21, 2017, 02:14:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRPp6iYDGls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRPp6iYDGls)
The above is from CCTV13.  It looks like the information is real.

If the information is real, China is doing the following:

1.  Find locations where there may be a Natural Fault which can act as heat storage/reservoir.
2.  Use technology to produce such Faults or Reservoirs.
3.  Improve the drilling technique to drill deeper and faster.  (One suggestion is to use the no drill head technology.  Use Brown's Gas to burn through rocks.)

I actually used Brown's Gas to burn through bricks over 20 years ago.  Brown's gas is produced by "fresh electrolysis".  The Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms are still in the mono-atomic state.  When such a gas is ignited, it has special properties - such as melting tungsten, burn through bricks but feels cool when touched by hand.  It can cause implosion rather than explosion.  But once it is not used, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms will combine to the highly explosive mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gases.  The late Yull Brown spent some years in China and helped to develop some commercial Brown Gas Generators.

Note that the discussed technology is hot, dry rocks(HDR).  HDR exist almost everywhere if one drills deep enough (assuming the center of the earth is still hot, molten).  The trick is to extract the energy by injecting water from one hole and extracting the steam from another.  In many locations, the water will go elsewhere and wasted.  It is a matter of finding the right location, store and extract the heat.  China is able to achieve that in some (5) experimental holes/wells in Tibet.

A concept for the extraction of useful amounts of geothermal energy from HDR originated at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in 1970.
China was able to turn that concept into successful experiments 50 years later.  Technology, technology and technology. ö

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Superdeep_Borehole

                            20000 m(20 KM) deep,2 m wide whole
https://www.swissphotonics.net/libraries.files/10_Foppe_-_Photonics_Electromagnetics_for_deep_geothermal_energy_harvesting.pdf (https://www.swissphotonics.net/libraries.files/10_Foppe_-_Photonics_Electromagnetics_for_deep_geothermal_energy_harvesting.pdf)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761221&CC=US&NR=3998281A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19761221&CC=US&NR=3998281A&KC=A#)
The problem in attempting to apply the teaching of such patents to drilling, for example a hole 30cm in diameter and 5km deep is that even by using the most advanced form of lasers known today too much energy would probably be required to vaporize a cylinder of that size from the earth's crust. Some other approach therefore, seems necessary in order to reduce the total amount of energy input required and hence the cost for boring a hole this size.

cited documents !
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on September 21, 2017, 01:18:52 PM
Senior Citizen B: "Can China or other Nations take on
the role of pumping out thin-air money?"

Senior Citizen D: "That will upset the Status Quo. USA
will incite riots, overthrow Governments or send in
Drones to bomb."

Senior Citizen A: "Sorry to have started the topic. Let
us enjoy our present lives on our knees."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 21, 2017, 11:42:19 PM

Senior Citizen B: "Can China or other Nations take on
the role of pumping out thin-air money?"

Senior Citizen D: "That will upset the Status Quo. USA
will incite riots, overthrow Governments or send in
Drones to bomb."

Senior Citizen A: "Sorry to have started the topic. Let
us enjoy our present lives on our knees."

Religious Elder: "Kneel on your knees five time a day.  Be grateful."

Colonial Master: "I am the Lord, thy God."

USA Economist: "I have the Gold.  I Rule.  I have the carrot and the stick.  I can destroy North Korea if it refuses to accept my rule."

Chinese Philosopher: "The East will rise.  The new rule will be technology, technology and technology.  The Nation falling behind in technology will suffer."

Tseung: "Drill the hole to get Geothermal Energy.  Do not waste time..."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on September 22, 2017, 10:15:36 AM
Religious Elder: "Kneel on your knees five time a day.
Be grateful."

Colonial Master: "I am the Lord, thy God."

USA Economist: "I had the Gold.  I Ruled.  I had the
carrot and the stick.  I couldv destroyed North Korea if it
refused to accept my rule."

Chinese Philosopher: "The East will rise.  The new
rule will be technology, technology and technology.
The Nation falling behind in technology will suffer."


Me: " let them Drill the hole to get Geothermal Energy.let them not waste time..."
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 22, 2017, 10:58:13 AM

Religious Elder: "Kneel on your knees five time a day.
Be grateful."

Colonial Master: "I am the Lord, thy God."

USA Economist: "I had the Gold.  I Ruled.  I had the
carrot and the stick.  I could have destroyed North Korea if it
refused to accept my rule."

Chinese Philosopher: "The East will rise.  The new
rule will be technology, technology and technology.
The Nation falling behind in technology will suffer."

Me: " let them Drill the hole to get Geothermal Energy.let them not waste time..."

Just back from a Seminar when the speaker said: "The Internet is so powerful that no information can be hidden.  That applies to technology as well."

US was able to extract Shale gas.  This required much technology.  China was successful with experiments on combustible ice and now hot dry rock (HDR).  The experiments will take time to develop to commercial operations.  But the direction is clear.  I am sure that many more holes are being drilled - not only in China.

The logical solution for the North Korea Nuclear Weapon problem is to accept the fact.  Technology can be learned and mastered.  Starting World War III to stop it is crazy.  (But is Donald Trump crazy?)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: lancaIV on September 22, 2017, 11:45:37 AM
Donald Trump,neither Democratic Party nor Republican Party member = independant) does not act, he reacts:
his ultra-ghostwriter
https://www.google.pt/search?q=bannon+china&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=DdrEWa39FPOs8wfE_7PoCw

the democratic opposition:
his own administrance,establishment members and the different departments functionaries( incl. whistleblowers)
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on September 23, 2017, 02:19:00 PM
"Starting World War III
to stop it is crazy.  (But is Donald Trump crazy?)"

He thinks we are fools.he thinks we do not learn
from his fishing line.our spiritual war is won either
way
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 24, 2017, 10:14:27 AM

"Starting World War III
to stop it is crazy.  (But is Donald Trump crazy?)"

He thinks we are fools.he thinks we do not learn
from his fishing line.our spiritual war is won either
way


*** Some comments from the OBOR seminar yesterday

Comment 1: "The progress of the West was due to technology.  Now the East is learning and catching up.  If there were no wars, the Asians, the South Americans and the Africans will catch up quickly.  The OBOR initiative will help." 

Comment 2: "Physics is Physics. India, Pakistan, North Korea etc. can learn Physics. They can build the nuclear bombs and missiles without outside help."

Comment 3: "The West thought that they could just print thin-air money and get China and other Nations to produce goods for them. They told the Asian Nations that export was the key.  But they passed on the technology - how to mass produce grain, clothes, household appliances, cars, sky scrapers, Internet etc.  The larger Asian population provided the Market.  Export was not necessary to provide economic growth.  *India is a good example."

Comment 4: "The West promoted religion.  They said that - the life after this would be better.  But they do not believe it themselves. The missionaries provided many social services including schools, health care etc. at one time.  But now all such services are deemed government responsibilities. The Government is responsible to make life better for the citizens now - not in the next life."

Comment 5: "The West, especially USA, is responsible for the conflicts and regional wars - not the ISIS or terrorists.  Just hope that USA would not start another Korean War.  The World will be much more peaceful if the US troops go back to USA and make USA great again within USA.  They can make iPhones, movies and innovative gadgets.  Do not outsource.  Tell the Multi-national Companies not to make easy money by using the cheap labor of other Nations."

Comment 6: "Tell China to cut back its over-capacity.  Do not use the over-capacity to help other OBOR Nations rich.  Do not print thin-air RMB.  Stick with thin-air USD.  Send hackers to disrupt the Internet until people lose confidence in using it.  Tell farmers to use ox rather than tractors to plough the land.  Do not use fertilizers or insecticides."


*** We know that USA elites are not fools.  But some of them may miscalculate. They believed North Korea would never be able to produce the nuclear bombs and missiles by themselves.  They thought that sanctions would stop North Korea from building such.  They thought that invading Iraq, bombing Iran, Syria and creating Arab Spring Events would deter any Nation from thinking about developing nuclear technology.  They know that technology can be learned and mastered. But they also could miscalculate the ability of others.


* import and export data
USA
Import (US$ Thousand)   2,306,822,161.27
Export (US$ Thousand)   1,503,870,438.32
India
Import (US$ Thousand)   390,744,731.41      India, similar to USA, Imports more than Exports...
Export (US$ Thousand)   264,381,003.63
China
Import (US$ Thousand)   1,681,670,816.14
Export (US$ Thousand)   2,281,855,922.48
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on September 24, 2017, 05:58:25 PM
'They believed North Korea
would never be able to produce the nuclear bombs
and missiles by themselves'

I have my doubts about this.they knew.they waited for just the right time.a silent blow to china and a silent warning to the rest (or is it the otherwayround?did russo-china plant a seed?)(or is it the otherwayround?did russo-china-usa plant a seed?dear jesus no) listen people,people! Whatever it is,a nation without nukes in this day and age is an utterly defenceless nation.a slave nation.not one african nation is 'allowed' adequate self-defence.the whole african continent is laid bare.indeed 90% of the worlds nations lay bare.how long must we wait? The next 100years?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on September 24, 2017, 07:13:54 PM
" the Asians, the SouthAmericans and the Africans will catch up quickly."

Damn right we'l catchup.I.p. securities are first importance.no nation can grow with leaky laboratories.all the brics must be hack-proof.
Hacking is a huge problem worldwide
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on September 24, 2017, 07:43:19 PM
"The West promoted religion. They said
that - the life after this would be better. But they
do not believe it themselves"

Maybe the north korean seed is their divine karma.we
shall see
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 24, 2017, 11:10:58 PM

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-issues-bold-anti-trump-statement/ar-AAspaWI?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp


Democracy elects Donald Trump as president.  I call that stupid democracy.  Go for super-democracy...
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 24, 2017, 11:18:26 PM

"The West promoted religion. They said
that - the life after this would be better. But they
do not believe it themselves"

Maybe the north korean seed is their divine karma.we
shall see



Comment 4: "The West promoted religion.  They said that - the life after this would be better.  But they do not believe it themselves. The missionaries provided many social services including schools, health care etc. at one time.  But now all such services are deemed government responsibilities. The Government is responsible to make life better for the citizens now - not in the next life."


I was educated at Wah Yan College - run by the Jesuits Priests in Hong Kong.  I am proud of the knowledge I gained.  But I strongly agree that Governments are responsible to make life better for the citizens in this life - not the next.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 25, 2017, 11:19:49 PM

 Technology, technology and technology

What are the technologies that China and Allies can compete in the foreseeable future?
1.       Combustible Ice
2.       Hot Dry Rock Geothermal
3.       Biotechnology that will provide Food Security for all
4.       Energy efficient cities that will eliminate pollution
5.       Internet and ecommerce including cashless transactions
6.       Information Technology that will lift all Humans out of poverty
7.       Financial Technologies that will provide security for every Nation against Economic Wars
8.       Transportation Technologies covering roads, rails, planes, drones and other flying objects
9.       Space Stations and outer space travel mechanisms
10.   Military technologies that will deter any Nation from thinking about wars

The most important factor that may derail scientific and technological development is WAR.  China and all Nations must avoid wars of any form – including border disputes, ethic wars, regional wars, nuclear wars and economic wars.

It is fruitless to bottle up technology in this modern era.  Nuclear weapon technology will be mastered by any determined Nation.  The better solution is win-win, plan together, work together and enjoy the fruits together.  The two camp competition idea may worth investigating.  USA and Allies in one camp.  Russia+China and Allies in another camp.  The competition is to get the Developing Nations rich.  Poverty and ignorance will disappear within one generation and all Humans can enjoy a good standard of living.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: lancaIV on September 26, 2017, 11:15:46 AM
                                                    what :
                                        how much-many :
                                     is -per capita- life-essential ?
                                           scientifical answer
                                        in calories/Joule/Watt/mL

                       answer source,f.e.: Guinness book of records=remark and test yourself
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 27, 2017, 07:02:44 AM

Technology, technology, technology


India takes a different path from China and most ASEAN countries.  India does not focus on Exports.  India does not aim to be Factory of the World.  India plans to be Office of the World.


That requires understanding and mastering of technology - especially information technology.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on September 27, 2017, 03:59:32 PM



Quote from: ltseung888 on 2017-09-18, 16:50:49 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3482.msg64871#msg64871)<quote>Game Changer at the Fishing Pond and its implications.

At the Fishing Pond I frequently visit, the bait supplied by the owners used to be the traditional mixture of flour and grounded-up peanuts from oil factories after the peanut oil is extracted.  Bottom fishing technique is used.  The fishes caught (mainly tilapia) are usually small.

Recently, the owners reached business deals with some bakeries.  They got large supply of “unused portions of sandwich bread”.  The half dried bread floats on the surface and the fishes compete to devour them.  The fishes caught this way are usually the larger ones.  The on-lookers can see the fishes rushing to eat the bait and that creates much excitement.

One fellow fisherman remarked: “This changes the equipment and technique I used all my life.  I can see that it brings more excitement and thus more business to the owners.”

The Game Changer is occurring at the Fishing Pond.  But the other major Economic Game Changer is occurring all over the World.

The old rule of the Economic World was – Capital was King. If Nation X wants to build an infrastructure, it has to pay.  It needs to beg the World Bank or IMF.  It needs to get USD to pay for energy, technology and foreign experts.

The new rule is – Technology is King.  Nation X should master the technology. Capital can be printed from thin-air. Some Nations with spare capacity and know-how (e.g. China and Japan) are willing to go for win-win. They accept Currency X via Currency Swaps or Mutual Credits.  Plan together, work together and enjoy the fruits together.

(The fishes caught are larger.  The on-lookers can enjoy the excitement together.  The owners get more profit.  The Infrastructures built are bigger.  The on-lookers can see and enjoy together.  The Nations involved get more knowledge, technology and prosperity.)
</quote>


*****

Went fishing again.  Apparently, most customers now use bread supplied by the owners as bait.  I caught over 100 fishes including 10 big ones in about 5 hours.  I ate a two pounder to reward myself.  It was delicious.

Innovation can be this simple.  You do not need to study for years to get a PhD to innovate.  Everyone in China is encouraged to innovate.  The many "minor innovations" will bring a higher standard of living and happiness.  I already enjoyed the innovation of others...                               
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: isawit on September 28, 2017, 07:20:27 AM
MAGNETISM

2 parallel wires at r distance, the free electrons in the 2 wires repel each other with force f=Ke x q1q2/rr, that force is the carrier of energy/moving electric force. if electrons accelerate in wire 1 at 3 volts, electrons in wire 2 will instantly have 3vq1 emf. the true mechanism of electromagnetic induction. same as momentum conservation.

every magnetic atom/magton contains 2 atoms. 2 atoms of a ferrimagnetic matter before magnetize, we put it as 00. if 1 electron moved from 1 atom to the other atom and stays there as 01, the 2 atoms become a magton, it carries a special property now, we call it magnetic force.

01, 02, 03...0n are all magton, but carry different magnetic force strength.

2 magtons attract each other in the direction 01+01, and repel each other in the direction 01-10 or 10-01.

use copper wire winding around an iron core, put a current, the electrons in the wire move in circles around the core, make atoms in the core arrange into 0101 directions all the way. on the pole plane area, magtons are arranged as clockwise concentric circles of 0101 directions, north pole.

reverse the current direction, the pole plane area magtons are arranged as counterclockwise concentric circles of 0101 directions, south pole.

so, a magnet north pole stored clockwise electric force, south pole stored the counterclockwise electric force. the same poles always repel, different poles always attract.

the earth magnetic field is a mistake. there is no field but the force in the universe. sunlight moves electrons moving westward causing earth magnetic force interact with compasses.

there is only 1 force exists, coulomb force f=Ke x q1q2/rr. gravity and magnetic force are both different configurations of electric force.

from http://fuckedscience.blogspot.nl/2017/
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Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: isawit on September 29, 2017, 08:57:25 PM
if we circling charged mercury in a ring at high speed, it will produce strong circling electric force/magnetic force/magnetic field. that force interacts with earth magnetic force, magnetic propulsion system principle.

ufo technology? am i drunk?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on September 29, 2017, 09:12:17 PM
"am i drunk?"

Macroscopic
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: isawit on September 29, 2017, 09:30:51 PM
tooo much profits?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: isawit on September 29, 2017, 10:01:10 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on September 30, 2017, 10:15:41 PM
"Starting World War III
to stop it is crazy.  (But is Donald Trump crazy?)"

He must be crazy.he even attacks his own kind
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on October 04, 2017, 06:10:14 AM
"The logical solution for the North Korea Nuclear
Weapon problem is to accept the fact.  Technology
can be learned and mastered."

Imagine them mericans going to camp c and telling them what
to do.camp c will tell them to go to hell.camp c's
flying fish are very safe from harm.now they want
to come and dictate to us?fuck them I say.heck I'l
even bridge forces with camp c if necessary
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 05, 2017, 09:58:27 AM

Retired life should be peaceful and fun.  Why would a 64 year old retiree kill 50+ nd injured 500+ in Las Vegas?


One possible answer: USA brainwashed its people to be Number One.  If you cannot be number one in GOOD.  Be number one in EVIL.


I created a blog at the following website to show my retirement life in Hong Kong.  Retired life should be peaceful and fun.


https://lawrencetseung.wixsite.com/tannerhill-tenants/blog
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: profitis on October 05, 2017, 11:17:48 AM
"Be number one in EVIL."

Trump can buy our names but he cannot a fuck buy
our surnames
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 16, 2017, 10:06:12 AM

Forex Exchanges as Casinos

Money came into existence as media for exchange of goods and services.  The first type of money was gold or silver that had intrinsic value.  Such were not convenient to carry.  Paper money came out.  Governments then took over as the supplier of paper money. The paper money has no intrinsic value.  It is the Government power behind that provides the trust and value.

When people use paper money for daily transaction, settlement or reserve purposes, more money must be created.  Money is now evolved to numbers in Trusted Financial Institutions.

Any Sovereign Government can print money for its citizens to use.  There will be stability so long as the citizens have faith in the Government.  They do not mind keeping their wealth as numbers in their Bank Accounts.

When there is trade between Nations, there needs to be exchange rates.  Who determines the exchange rates?  Many of the textbooks list Supply and Demand as the main factor.

Many Developing Nations use pegged exchange rates.  Many pegged to the US Dollar.  If a party has Currency X to change to US Dollars, Nation X is supposed to supply the US Dollar to complete the transaction if there were no other Dollar suppliers.  This means Nation X must keep a large US Dollars as Reserve.  When Nation X gets richer, it needs to keep more US Dollars.  US Government is “forced” to supply more dollars not just to cater for the needs of its citizens but also for the citizens of Nation X.

The common practice is for US Government or Companies to buy more goods or services from Nation X. The suggested best practice is for a reasonably balanced trade between US and Nation X with a small imbalance.  The imbalance can be the USD Reserve stored in Nation X.

This also means US can purchase more goods or services from Nation X with thin-air money.  To entice this practice, US encourages Nation X to purchase its Treasury Bills and pay a small interest.  In some cases, the imbalance gets unreasonably large.  This is the case of trade between China and USA.

The Financial Brains in USA asked the question – how can we get the US Dollar back from China with the least effort?  One of their solutions is – tempt or force China to gamble in the unregulated Forex Exchanges.

At present, there are thousands of on-line Forex Exchanges.  These are different from the small Money Exchanges helping tourists to exchange their currencies.  These on-line Forex Exchanges are like casinos.  They set their own rules, define their own exchange rates and most importantly, define their own leverages.  The normal daily changes in Exchange Rate is small (less than 1%), there will not be much profit in trading.  These unregulated Forex Exchanges “loan money .or provide leverage” to entice the investors or gamblers. If the gambler puts down 1 dollar, the Forex  can loan the gambler 20 to 1000 dollars.  Fortunes can be made or lost in a few hours.

The Forex Exchange transactions now average over 4 trillion USD daily.  That is larger than the Stock Market.  The currency exchange is not for settlement of business transactions but for gambling purposes.  The exchange rate between two currencies is not determined by supply and demand for commercial transactions.  They are determined by speculators, gamblers, sharks or Casin*o owners for quick profits.

China lost over 1 trillion USD Foreign Currency Reserve from 2015 to 2016 in this way.  The sharks supplemented the gambling with rumors of collapse of the Chinese Economy.   That caused many RMB holders to exchange their RMB to USD further causing a depreciation of the RMB Exchange Rate.

China will have to play in its own Forex Exchange  or fix the RMB Exchange without regard to the Market Forces controlled by Speculators, Sharks or  Casin*o Owners.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 18, 2017, 02:58:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqn5iI35wEw


The opening talk of the China 19 congress was 3 hours.  It summarized the developing in the last 5 years and stated the direction to move in the coming years.


The talk was interpreted into English real-time.
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on October 21, 2017, 11:13:40 AM
https://lawrencetseung.wixsite.com/tannerhill-tenants/single-post/2017/10/21/Money-Talks-9 (https://lawrencetseung.wixsite.com/tannerhill-tenants/single-post/2017/10/21/Money-Talks-9)


Money Talks 9

October 21, 2017


A Sure-Win Business
 
There are some businesses that can be classified as sure-win businesses.  This is due to the fact that a Government can create money from thin-air and that a Government must increase the money supply for its citizens to become wealthy.
 
China does many infrastructure projects.  Thin-air money is given to many construction firms.  So long as these firms can perform, they can be treated as sure-win businesses.  They will always be paid.  The companies that supply the meals to their workers can also be treated as sure-win businesses indirectly.
 
The sure-win comes from the Trust in the Government and its ability to increase its money supply.
 
One suggested sure-win business is for a Government backed Company X to invest in tourism related industries.  It can provide a Government X backed guarantee that no matter what happens, the investor can convert his shares to tour packages within Nation X.
 
The Investor wins as the risk of investment is reduced.  Company X wins as it gets the capital to develop the many projects.  Nation X wins as it is guaranteed  more tourists.  It is a win-win for all. Is that a sure-win business?  Can a small Developing Nation take advantage of such an opportunity?
Title: Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Post by: ltseung888 on November 07, 2017, 03:44:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5YTbJK3LAk


interesting ufo discussion.