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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #270 on: December 14, 2015, 11:09:54 AM »
Weighing the jumping magnet.

The Output Energy (mgh) can be determined reasonably accurately.  There is no need for any assumption.  The only consideration is the recording of the maximum height.

The Input Energy (V*V/R*t) requires the average Voltage at the Pulse.  What to consider as the Pulse can be a point for discussion. The duration of the Pulse can also be discussed.  However, the values are large enough to eliminate small connection or equipment errors.  There may not be need to use very expensive DSOs.

We shall encourage the World to replicate the results.  May be a competition...
« Last Edit: December 14, 2015, 07:11:16 PM by ltseung888 »

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« Reply #271 on: December 14, 2015, 07:28:05 PM »
Screen shot of the waveform by TS Lau.

The replicators can send equipment details, results, video and this type of waveform to confirm overunity.

At least four more solenoids will be wound by Bill Fung and TS Lau in the coming days.

We shall have at least two full sets of equipment - one to stay and one to loan out for short periods or for off-site demonstrations.

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« Reply #272 on: December 15, 2015, 01:35:36 AM »
A word of Thank you to all those who helped to make the magnet repulsion experiment a success.

The Ninth design of the lead-out energy flying saucer was posted on reply 1 of this thread on July 7, 2015.  That design could provide lead-out energy via the pulsing and unbalanced rotation of the coils and magnet.  It could also provide the net thrust.

I discussed that design with the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  His comment was: “You have graduated from kindergarten.”  He was intimately associated with Tsinghua University and the Chinese Military.  He said that he knew which group produced the Nanjing UFO in 2006. 

I was deeply indebted to Professor Dennis Leung of Hong Kong University.  He advised me to do the simple proof-of-concept experiment.  He said: “Do one thing at a time.  Proving that mechanical energy output can be greater than electrical energy input is already earthshaking in the Scientific World.”  He got his research assistant, Ms. Holly Kwok involved.  See reply 90 posted on September 3, 2015.

The initial results were not encouraging.  The one magnet and a 130 turn coil produced a jump height of 10 cm.  The COP estimated was 0.07. We speculated the reasons.  One possible explanation was not using ferrite rods that could increase the permeability hundreds or thousands times.  I consulted the advice of Mr. Tong Po Chi (builder of the Tong Wheel), Mr. Peter Chan (builder of the Chan Wheel), Mr. Chan of Wai Cheng (supplied parts of Tong Wheel) and many Church members.  My grand God Daughter, Miss Forever Yuen and family provided much moral support.  My old Wah Yan Classmates, Mr. T.S. Lau and Dr. David Chan gave encouragement.  Their encouragement provided the fuel to continue.

We focused on the need to use ferromagnetic material.  Mr. Bill Fung used his own funds to buy the electromagnets in November and Professor Leung et al did the experiment with very disappointing results.  The electromagnet jumped only 1 cm.

Meanwhile, Jesse Seligman got his friend Simon Roberts and Melanie Low to interview me for a video on lead-out energy flying saucer.  I got the equipment back from Hong Kong University.  I added one magnet for the jump and used a winding more than 200 turns, the result improved to more than 20 cm.  I then bought additional magnets and was able to do the successful experiment.  There are many others I might have forgotten to mention especially those whom I never met in person but communicated via the Internet.

Last but not least, I thank my son Daniel and Jennifer who tolerated the many years of jokes and jeers from those who remarked: “Your father is a Physicist but works on UFOs!”

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #273 on: December 15, 2015, 09:29:11 PM »
The next steps:

The significance of the simple magnet and solenoid repulsion experiment demonstrating overunity will be earth shattering for the Scientific World.  Prof. Dennis Leung was right.  This single experiment replicated and confirmed by multiple reputable Universities will prove that overunity is possible.  Lead-out Energy Researcher will no longer be laughed at. 

To make sure that no experimental or equipment error occurred, we shall do the following:

1. Produce at least 4 more solenoids with different windings.
2. Have 4 more jumping magnets with different number of magnets.
3. Use at lease four different DSOs to ensure that there were no errors due to equipment.
4. Use at least two different DC Power supplies.
5. Use different wiring, clipping, switches.

Have at least two complete sets of equipment.  One shall stay in my home.  One can be loaned out for demonstration purposes.

Encourage Universities and other research organizations to independently set up their equipment and perform the experiment.  Encourage them to share the results.  Let Hong Kong University publish the academic paper after full confirmation.

I expect many Nations and Institutions will look at reply 1 in this thread and start to build the lead-out energy flying saucer.  The Race to benefit all humanity is ON.  I am sure that Nations such as Japan, Russia, Europe, India, Ethiopia and many "unexpected" Nations will be successful not only in replicating this experiment but will also get a lead-out energy flying saucer to function.

Is it possible for China or USA to deny that they are working on UFOs?  Is it possible for the debunkers to mislead the World in light of the undeniable scientific evidence?

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #274 on: December 15, 2015, 10:03:40 PM »
And what about to think Rodin's coil?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqjOuk7K9U0

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #275 on: December 17, 2015, 03:07:39 PM »
Had a Christmas and New Year Party with the Senior Center Citizens.

Sitting next to me was a ninety year old.  He cannot see and hear too well but he still has good appetite.  He really appreciated that the Non-profit social service organization arranged the Party.  He said, "I really enjoy my remaining years.  I do not know when I can still walk and enjoy the food.  Some folks of my age need someone to feed them and stay at the Old People's Home all the time."

Another old folk said: "You and I went through the War Years.  We did not have enough to eat.  We had to suffer the War and the loss of our loved ones.  This is the enjoyable time of our lives."

It looks like that the Hong Kong Government did the right thing - fund the non-profit organizations.  Let them compete to provide servces.  The amount of funding depends on the satisfaction of the "customers".

Old Soviet style Communism failed because it did not pay much attention to the competition element.  No competition, no progress. The Soviets did not have the Super Silicon Valley Mentality.  Everything is Third Class.  They need to turn it to Second or First class.

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« Reply #276 on: December 17, 2015, 11:46:13 PM »
Which Nation can compete with Hong Kong on the first experiment of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer?

The first experiment is to prove that Output Potential Energy can be greater than Input Electrical Energy.  This was suggested by Prof. Dennis Leung at the Mechanical Engineering Department of Hong Kong University.

The evidence so far is indisputable.  More setups will be done in the coming days.  Even if another Nation announces and demonstrates the results today, it will lag behind Hong Kong for a few days.

All Hong Kong needs now is to verify and confirm the results with multiple setups.  Multiple Universities will be invited to do the verification.  The New Innovation and Technology Department will be informed.  The video and experimental setups will be shown to different parties.  All are encouraged to replicate.

Hong Kong is extremely money minded.  We can quickly form a Company to sell equipment for the first experiment.  The complete set of equipment and procedures will be available so it will be a no-brainer to replicate the experiment Worldwide.  Just order and repeat the experiment.  We shall have a competition to see who can produce the highest COP.

The next competition is the implementation of the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer in reply 1 of this thread.  Jupiter Fund of Hong Kong successfully produced the 225 HP Pulse Motor explained by the Late Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself at Tsinghua University in 2006.  That was kept as top secret by both USA and China.  Now we go for another proof-of-concept experiment.

One part of the competition is to generate Net Thrust.  Another part is to extract lead-out energy.  Which Nation will win this time?  Will it be Hong Kong again?

What will the Scientists and Engineers involved in the Top Secret Military Establishments in China and USA think?  Should they share in the glory in benefiting the World?

At one time, the general public thought China would never win an Olympic Medal?  At one time, the general public thought China was only a copy cat?  Who would have guessed that Hong Kong could lead the Race in the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Paradigm???  Will the "factory of the world" become the innovation center of the world???

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #277 on: December 18, 2015, 03:40:06 AM »
The experimental setup.

One of the factors to note is that the crocodile clip wires have resistance between 1 to 2 ohms.  Different wires will have different total resistance.  However, the overunity COP>1 finding was not affected.  The actual values might change.

I shall also play with 4 magnet and a higher voltage (20V).  The magnets jumped higher but got hotter faster.

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« Reply #278 on: December 18, 2015, 09:36:36 AM »
Mr. William Fung and I wound a 540 turn coil using the new wire this morning.

The result with 3 magnets is also overunity (COP>1).  Attached is the calculation.

Voltage = -8V  averaged over the pulse period of 3ms
Resistance = 4 ohms
mass = 0.81 Kg.
Height jumped = 59 cm or 0.59m

The average back emf is greater than the applied 17.5V.  Does that mean energy actually flows back to Input (PC Power supply box)?

To minimize confusion, the next tube will have 300 turns.


Another tube that can be used to demonstrate overunity.

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« Reply #279 on: December 18, 2015, 10:14:13 AM »
Bill Fung Tube waveform.

Very similar.  COP > 1 detected.

Peak Pule 58V.  Peak back emf -27.6V.

Average Voltage during 3ms of pulse time (the dip) is negative.

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« Reply #280 on: December 19, 2015, 12:07:06 AM »
We shall do another solenoid with 300 windings today.  The 540 turn solenoid took Bill and I over 2 hours to wind by hand.  It appears to be an overkill if we just want to demonstrate overunity.

Hopefully, by next week, before Christmas, we shall have two complete sets of equipment.  One will stay with me and another one can be loaned out for short periods - one week at a time.  We shall encourage the interested to have their own setup.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all.

The success of this proof-of-concept experiment vindicated all the researchers of free energy.  The Newman machine, the 225 HP Pulse Motor, the QMOGENs, the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier, etc. are not hoaxes.  They are some form of lead-out energy machines.  The researchers are pioneers.  Their efforts are well appreciated.

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« Reply #281 on: December 20, 2015, 12:06:05 AM »
Mr. Bill Fung and TS Lau finished the 300 turn Solenoid yesterday. 

Now we have 4 tubes for demonstration:
1.   The 130 turn solenoid that does not produce overunity.  Too few windings.
2.   The over 200 turn solenoid by me that showed overunity with 3 magnets.
3.   The 540 turn solenoid by Bill and myself that easily showed overunity.  The magnets jumped out of the tube at 24V.
4.   The 300 turn solenoid by Bill and Lau that may become the work horse to show overunity.  It took less effort to wind.
5.   One 400 winding solenoid is planned for the next few days.  We shall have at least 4 solenoids capable of demonstrating overunity.

We have enough wires and tubes to do more.  We can always buy more or direct researchers in Hong Kong where to buy the materials.  Bill will be able to advise them on the winding techniques.  (A good winding is not that easy.)

The Output Potential Energy measurement side is very clear.  We choose the highest jump as most jumps have slight friction between the jumping magnets and the transparent tube.  We also need to adjust the exact position for the magnet to be placed inside the solenoid for the best effect.  The addition of one coin (1.5mm thick) to adjust the position could mean a jumping height difference of 10 cm or more.  The mass of the jumping magnets+PVC tube are measured with an electronic balance accurate to 1gm.

The actual positions of the jump can be captured on video and the errors are small.  We found that the push ON/OFF switch could produce a higher jump than the simple flick position ON/OFF switch.

I shall discuss the Input Electrical Energy side in a separate post.

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« Reply #282 on: December 20, 2015, 01:05:17 AM »
On the Input Electrical Energy side, we rely much on the waveforms such as those in reply 287 and 295.  Those wave forms showed what happened at the leading edge of the jump.  There will be a sudden high rise in voltage more than the stated supplied voltage from the DC power supply.  It is immediately followed by a back emf as expected.  That back emf is due to the inductance of the coil.  This back emf effectively sends current back to the power supply.  It reduced the energy input.

One of the more controversial arguments is what to use as the period for measurement. (Energy = power x time or = V*I *t)   There are a number of possibilities.

1.  The full duration of the press down period.  This can vary greatly with different experimenters and also with the same experimenter.  The time for the jumping magnets to reach highest position is usually around 30ms as can been seen from the full pulse on the DSO.  Some slower reaction experiments showed over 50ms.  This is definitely not the right time period to choose.

2.  The leading edge dip time from the DSO as in reply 287.  This technique ignores the full pulse time.  It does not depend of the reaction of the experimenters.  The time period is reduced to less than 5ms.

3.  I used the time for the jumping magnets to depart by 10cm.  The10cm is from observation that the steady repulsion of the magnet and solenoid with constant DC power supply becomes less significant after 10cm.  The time period is further reduced to 3ms approximately. This period can be calculated accurately from the time difference between the jumping height and (the jumping height - 10cm).  To be more exact, the differences in the free fall time is used.

The measurement of current can be via:
1.  Use the simple equation V=IR.  The resistance R is measured with a standard ohm meter.  The crocodile clips added 1-2 ohms to the measurement.  The actual wire resistance of the solenoid is also 1-2 ohms.  We may use a different connection method than crocodile ciips later.  However, even with a reduction of half the measured resistance, we still achieve overunity.

2.  Use a one ohm resistor in series with the solenoid.  The voltage drop across this one ohm resistor will give the current.  If this curve is on the first probe and the solenoid voltage probe is on the second probe of the DSO, the waveform comparison can be seen.  If we assume the voltage and current displayed correspond, then we can do the point-by-point multiplication.  The CSV files allow us to use EXCEL to do the analysis.  Some good DSOs can do that directly.  We can select different time intervals to do the calculation.

3.  Some results show that the average voltage during the leading edge of 5ms or less is negative.  This implies current flowing back toward the source.  The energy flowing from the source during such period is negative or the circuit is giving the DC power supply energy!  After the leading edge dip, the voltage becomes positive close to the supplied voltage.

I shall have more discussions with the academics on the validity of the above assumptions.  Even if the above assumptions are approximate, the COP > 1 results are still valid.  Most COP results with the above assumptions are 5 and upwards.

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« Reply #283 on: December 20, 2015, 04:44:19 AM »
Waveforms from the Bill and Lau 300 turn coil.  At 17.5V

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« Reply #284 on: December 20, 2015, 10:30:41 AM »

2.  Use a one ohm resistor in series with the solenoid.  The voltage drop across this one ohm resistor will give the current.  If this curve is on the first probe and the solenoid voltage probe is on the second probe of the DSO, the waveform comparison can be seen.  If we assume the voltage and current displayed correspond, then we can do the point-by-point multiplication.  The CSV files allow us to use EXCEL to do the analysis.  Some good DSOs can do that directly.  We can select different time intervals to do the calculation.

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The above recommendation will be taken.  Then we do not need to worry about the resistance introduced by the crocodile clips.  No need to do soldering or something similar.

 

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