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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #255 on: December 05, 2015, 02:10:32 PM »
Question:  Should we talk about the failed two electromagnet repulsion experiment?

One line of thought - people are not interested in failures.

Super Silicon Valley Mentality - show your failures so that the World can learn together.

The possible explanation is that for transfer of energy, we need force x displacement.  The electromagnets can provide greater repulsion force as the electromagnets can be placed close together.  However, the displacement or time for the force to act is short.  The case of the permanent magnet repelled inside the air solenoid has a long displacement.

Once that is demonstrated and understood, the World can look for alternatives.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #256 on: December 06, 2015, 03:18:28 AM »
How does Hong Kong handle the non-profit making social services?

Introduce an element of competition.  For example, there are a few organizations running services for the retired citizens in the same district.  The Government pays the organizations partly on the number of senior citizens enrolled.  The organizations are encouraged to provide innovative services to please and attract more customers.

This third class technique works.  Can it be improved to second or first class?

Videotaping is extremely common.  Almost every lift in Hong Kong has it.  Can the technology be enhanced to do both monitoring and helping others to improve the services?

Super Silicon Valley Mentality of treating everything as third class and strive to get to second and first class has its merits...

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #257 on: December 07, 2015, 02:48:24 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsok1-_qS8

The video talked about China 2025 and the changes to manufacturing industries.

The plan is to have he innovation elements reaching or surpassing USA and Germany.

Can the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology be the key?

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« Reply #257 on: December 07, 2015, 02:48:24 AM »
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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #258 on: December 07, 2015, 06:51:37 PM »
Is World War 3 inevitable?

Science, Technology and Innovation since the Industrial Revolution changed the World completely.  Unfortunately, with the unequal spread of knowledge at that time, some Nations were far ahead of others.  That led to the philosophy of "survival of the fittest".  Some Nations built their prosperity upon the sufferings of other Nations.  The cause of World War 1 was the conflict of the then European Powers over colonies and imperial interests.  The cause of World War 2 was more of Germany's revenge.

Now the World knows that prosperity of a Nation does not depend on conquests or building on the sufferings of other Nations.  Germany and Japan after the Second World War showed that their prosperity could be built on Industry and exports.  The rapid economic growth of China further demonstrated the importance of mastering science and technology.  China became factory of the World not only on its cheap labor but also on the quick copying and mastering of technology.

Can the existing Power (USA) understand that China or other rising Nations do not need to follow its example of expansion and conquest of the Native Americans.  There is no need to impose suffering on any other Nation.  Win-win can be achieved. 

When other Developing Nations look at the Chinese Model, they will find that becoming the lowest cost producer may not be the answer.  Winning the competition may mean much hard work; get much foreign currency that cannot buy much back.  Thus new thinking is required.  The Super Silicon Valley Mentality enables them to treat everything as third class - including the Chinese Model.  They will examine the third class concepts of Mutual Credits, Super Democracy, Modern Wealth, Love Thy Enemies and International Brotherhood and improve.

Hopefully all Nations will see that the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology is not just for Military purposes.  There is no need to go for another arms race.  They can use the new technology to clean up pollution, avert bad effects of climate change, travel easily and enjoy new levels of prosperity unimagined by the present scientists.

UFOs are flying.  Some of them are made in USA and China.  Soon they will be made by multiple Nations.  The oil Industry will undergo a major change.  The transportation Industry will be revolutionized.  The home appliance industry will be transformed.  The knowledge Industry will ensure that no Nation will be at the mercy of other Powerful Nations.  Nationalism will give way to International Brotherhood.

There is no need for World War 3.  Win-win can come to all Nations.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #259 on: December 08, 2015, 12:39:12 AM »
Is World War 3 inevitable?

Science, Technology and Innovation since the Industrial Revolution changed the World completely.  Unfortunately, with the unequal spread of knowledge at that time, some Nations were far ahead of others.  That led to the philosophy of "survival of the fittest".  Some Nations built their prosperity upon the sufferings of other Nations.  The cause of World War 1 was the conflict of the then European Powers over colonies and imperial interests.  The cause of World War 2 was more of Germany's revenge.

Now the World knows that prosperity of a Nation does not depend on conquests or building on the sufferings of other Nations.  Germany and Japan after the Second World War showed that their prosperity could be built on Industry and exports.  The rapid economic growth of China further demonstrated the importance of mastering science and technology.  China became factory of the World not only on its cheap labor but also on the quick copying and mastering of technology.


Can the copying and mastering of technology be achieved within 5, 10, 15, 20 or 25 years?  Textbook knowledge can be learned within 5 years by the top students of almost every Nation.  Concepts such as Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth and Love Thy Enemies etc. can be learned even faster.  Building factories can be done if there were a friendly Nation placing orders (with Mutual Credits?)  Most infrastructure projects can be completed within 10 to 15 years. USA and others have shown that Money can be created to stimulate the economy.  That third class technique can be turned into second class via Mutual Credits. 

Almost any Nation can come up with third class 5 year plans.  Can it train its elites to use the Super Silicon Valley Mentality to turn them into second or first class?

My conviction is that the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Technology cannot be kept as top secret any more.  The UFOs are flying.  The UFO like missile launch by the US Navy on Nov 7, 2015 over Southern California is a clear signal to the World.  Reply 1 in this thread outlined one third class design.  Will an unexpected Nation turn it into second or first class to benefit the World?

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #260 on: December 09, 2015, 05:09:33 AM »
The two experiments will be available in the Interview this weekend.

1.  The modified Joule Thief circuit.  The circuit is charged with one AA battery for 10 seconds.  The LED remains ON for 10 minutes.  This technique was applied by an Taiwan-US Company to capture sunlight in the day and light street lamps at night. 

2.  The electromagnet repulsion experiments.  This is on-going.  The final COP > 1 setup is not ready yet.  However, the World can still learn much from the experience.

If we show the third lass setups and even failures, the World can learn together with us.

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« Reply #261 on: December 09, 2015, 07:00:20 PM »
Preventing the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer Race from turning to Arms Race

Using the Super Silicon Valley Mentality - either we crack or the problem cracks.  The technology leads to UFOs that may be used as nuclear bomb delivery mechanisms.  If Nations do not trust each other, they may feel that military superiority is essential.  Once the Arms Race starts, there will be no stopping.

We now have the situation that there is only one super power - USA.  Can other Nations trust USA?  Can other Nations continue to let USA have the military dominance?  Can all Nations disclose and share their knowledge on the Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer technology?  Can all Nations feel secure that they will not be exterminated?  Can all Nations feel that their National Interests are not harmed?

The answer may be in Love Thy Enemies.  The World War 2 enemies Germany and Japan are Allies of USA and are no longer enemies.  Communism was once regarded as the enemy of the West.  People were told that Communists were evil and their intention was to destroy democracy.  (Have we been hearing political speeches that Islam is evil?)

USA knows that no Chinese Leaders are insane enough to risk their hard earned economic success with any wars.  Can there be peaceful competitions on the many innovation that will arise from this new technology?  Can the Race be developed similar to the Internet - the knowledge is quickly spread.  There are cyber attacks or spread of propagandas but the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.

One thing USA and China can do is to promote International Co-operation.  There can be joint International Efforts to achieve specific goals.  These goals may include:
1.  The Home Generator
2.  The no fuel car
3.  The no fuel ship
4.  The appliances that never need to receive electricity from the grid
5.  The flying saucer that can replace the family car
6.  The Apartments that have flying saucers docked in their balconies
7.  The Cities that can support large number of flying saucers
8.  The rules and regulations enabling flying saucers to cross Country Borders
9.  The enabling of prosperity to all Human Beings
10.  Successful applications of Mutual Credits, Modern Wealth, Super Democracy, etc.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #262 on: December 10, 2015, 08:30:03 AM »
The new setup that may already demonstrate overunity.

I bought additional magnets from the same vendor at Shum Shui Po this afternoon.

Instead of increasing the number of turns to increase magnetic strength, I tried to use multiple magnets as the jumping entity.  The Voltage was set at 17V - the value used when I experimented with one magnet.

To my delight, the new setup with three magnets appeared to demonstrate overunity.  The new mass is over 2.5 times (wait to get the accurate electronic balance next week).  The new height jumped was 46 cm as compared with 20 cm in the earlier experiment.

The COP in the earlier experiment was 0.2.  The Input Electrical Energy appeared to be similar but the output potential energy appeared to be 2.5 x (46/20) or 5.75 times.  A rough estimate of the new COP is thus 0.2 x 5.75 or 1.15.  This pointed us in the right direction.

The detailed DSO measurements will be done at my home.  The preliminary results will be posted.  The more accurate confirmation results are expected to come from Hong Kong University.

With the Super Silicon Valley Mentality, we post preliminary results...

*** after tuning, height jumped to 55 cm.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #263 on: December 10, 2015, 08:07:45 PM »
Experiments worth showing on the Dec 12 Interview

1.  Milkovic 2SO video.  Focus on the finger push and the raising of the weight twice.  Output Energy appears to be greater than Input Energy.  Improve with Chan Wheel.  William Skinner Video as application.

2.  FLEET  Can the Output Energy added together be greater than Input Energy?  Can it be a more efficient way of using energy?  Already applied to storing solar energy to charge lamps at night.

3.  Electromagnet repulsion.  Can the DC current align the tiny magnets in ferromagnetic material to become stronger magnet?  225 HP Pulse Motor and QMOGENs.

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« Reply #264 on: December 12, 2015, 10:40:42 PM »
The Interview with the film crew.  The final edited video will be available in a couple of weeks.

The team spent a total of four and half hours.  The interview focused more on the person.  I like the experimental part performed by Mr. William Fung best.  One experiment was the FLEET.  It is easy for the layman to follow.  The Input was charging the circuit for 10 seconds.  The Output was the lighting of the LED for over 10 minutes.  The more accurate results could be obtained with a high end DSO capturing the Input energy for the 10 seconds.  Then capture the Output energy for the over 10 minutes.

The second experiment was the repulsion of permanent magnets by an air solenoid.  Three magnets were used.  The Input Voltage was 17.5V and the height jumped was 55 cm.  It was much more impressive than the early setup with one magnet that jumped less than 20 cm.  The decision by Mr. Fung was to do more windings and use more magnets. 

The windings will be increased to 300, 500, 800 and 1000 turns.  Two transparent tubes will be used with two windings on each tube.  The additional material cost would be less than HK$1000.  The Output side (mgh) is expected to be much more impressive.  The Input side can go to a maximum of 30V DC with existing equipment.  The actual value will be determined by the DSO.  The load is essentially the solenoid.  The inductance produces a back emf effectively reducing the energy consumption as compared with a pure resistance.

Once some promising results can be demonstrated, we plan to start an open competition for the most impressive demonstration.  The proof-of-concept experiment can be done by all universities Worldwide.  The third class setup will be improved to second or first class.

UFOs are flying.  If the proof-of-concept experiment can be confirmed Worldwide, we can go for the next step.  The peaceful Race of Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer to benefit all humanity will be at full steam...

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« Reply #265 on: December 13, 2015, 01:17:12 PM »
Some Experimental results to share on Dec 13, 2015

The experiment was done at the home of Lawrence Tseung.  Mr. TS Lau also participated.  The equipment used was:
1.  DC Power supplied that can go up to 30V.  17.5V was used.
2.  Atten Oscilloscope was used to display waveform.
3.  3 magnets on end of PVC with total length 11 cm used.
4.  Rubber band wrapped around transparent tube to show maximum height reached.
5.  Solenoid has approximately200 turns with resistance measured at 5.4 ohms

Some preliminary results are:
1.  Height jumped was 49.2cm  (60.2 - 11)
2.  Actual height jumped could vary from 46 to 55 cm.  Cold solenoid allowed higher jumping.
3.  Resistance of solenoid could vary from 4.2 to 5.4 ohms.  Cold solenoid showed lower resistance.

YouTube video available at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkgzfbVI8x0

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #266 on: December 13, 2015, 01:37:47 PM »
Now we show the waveform with the voltage across the solenoid.  No other resistor was put into the circuit.  Some unavoidable resistance due to clip and wire connections would be present.  That probably accounted for the setting of 17.5V on the DC Power Supply and the 15V on the DSO.

The time pressed on the switch obviously varied from experiment to experiment.  From the shape of the waveform, that time was around 32ms in the display.

The most interesting part is the expanded waveform of the leading edge of the pulse.  The voltage rose to 35V and immediately followed by a negative 16V.  This is the expected back emf due to the inductance of the solenoid.

The controversial part was the time period of the Input.  Should we use 32ms or 2.7ms.  That factor would determine whether we achieved overunity or not.

I shall pause here for comments.

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« Reply #267 on: December 14, 2015, 01:39:01 AM »
I believe I have found a scientific way of estimating the magnetic repulsion time.

I assume that the first 10 cm of jump height is significant.  I then use the free fall equations to calculate the time to fall 50 cm (t1) and the time to fall 40 cm (t2).  The difference (t1-t2) can be approximated to the magnetic repulsion time.

The Physics assumption is that as soon as the magnet passes the 10 cm height, the force acting on it to slow it down to zero velocity is gravity. 

Please see the extract from the spreadsheet.  The values of h1 and h2 can be adjusted for any experimental results.  Thus we can estimate the magnetic repulsion time (t1-t2).  If this assumption is valid, we have good grounds to calculate whether our experimental setup is overunity.

Pease feel free to comment.

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« Reply #268 on: December 14, 2015, 09:55:39 AM »
The Input Electrical Energy Analysis.

The resistance of the coil + connecting wire as measured = 5.4 ohms.

The Pulse duration for magnet repulsion estimated at 3ms

Average Voltage during the Pulse = 3V


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« Reply #269 on: December 14, 2015, 10:11:54 AM »
The preliminary calculation:

Output Energy = mgh

= 0.082 * 9.8 * 0.492
= 0.05 (joules)

Input Energy = V*V/R*t

= 3*3/5.4*0.03
= 0.39 (joules)

COP = Output/Input = 7.88

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