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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #135 on: October 28, 2015, 07:05:04 PM »
What are the likely actions from the USA or Chinese Governments to keep the technology a top secret?
1.   Discredit the inventors or researchers
2.   Send in investors or helpers to sabotage
3.   Use National Security as excuse to stop the Research and Development
4.   Hire the inventors or researchers into top secret military institutes
5.   Silence the Inventors including murder
6.     Post false information on the Internet.  Turn the research into a mockery
7.     Send in the debunkers to get the inventors upset
8.     Use scientific roadblocks such as Law of Conservation of Energy

But if the theory is as simple as outlined in reply 1 of this thread, almost any Nation can develop it.  It was like the Internet forty years ago.  Many scientists and engineers could see the potential.  But it required much resources to develop it…

What actions can the Inventors or Researchers take?

1.  Give up
2.  Develop the technology outside USA or China (and their sphere of influence)
3.  Get sufficient resources and develop in secret with support from a friendly government
4.  Open source and continue development on forums such as this one
5.  Have the conviction that scientific truth and progress cannot be stopped
6.  Remove the scientific roadblocks with simple proof of concept experiments
7.  Some will focus on documenting information including false ones
8.  Support each other via conferences etc., knowing that there will be sabotage

My gut feel is that some governments will take on such research (some may be doing it now).  The announcement and demonstration will arouse so much interest that the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucer will be impossible to block...

We may need to change some mindsets at the same time.  Some such mindsets include:
1.  A Nation must maintain Military Dominance
2   Some races are superior
3.  The Bible predicts Nuclear Wars and the end of the World
4.  The status Quote must be maintained at all costs for sake of World Stability
5.  The established scientific knowledge and theories are sacred and cannot be wrong.  There cannot be different explanations such as lead-out energy.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #136 on: October 29, 2015, 07:07:09 AM »
I agree with your statement on population control.  China is unlikely to have its rapid economic development without the one child policy.  I came from a family of eight children.  The young ones wore the clothes of the old ones...
And they were harshly criticized for that policy. I was against it also until I really started to see how bad the picture is turning out to be. I read we are already past the breaking point with the worlds population. If we removed a billion people, there would still be to many to stop global warming at its current rate. Humans don't like change so we end up reacting to slowly. What is taking place right now with global warming and the fresh water shortage, in geologic time, is faster than the blink of an eye.

One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is to use Energy more efficiently.  The US model of cars with one driver driving on highways may not be meaningful...
I agree. It's very inefficient. Along with population control we also need vehicle control. A three person house hold may have to do with just two cars, god forbid they use public transportation to get it down to just one car. Soon every city will be like San Francisco or New York where you have no choice but to take public transportation because there are so many people around. I just saw a house in my neighborhood with gallons and gallons of water running down the street off of their soaking lawn as if we aren't in the worst drought ever. People won't change unless forced to and they resist those changes until it's to late.

I have the gut feel that the lead-out energy flying saucer will come out from a totally unexpected Nation first.  The experiments can be done by almost any Nation.
Perhaps India or somewhere. Elon Musk knows this rock is doomed so he'll use it to get to Mars if he can.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #137 on: October 29, 2015, 09:33:58 PM »
One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is tolerance.


Hong Kong is an International City with many tourists.  They bring their culture and customs.  Some of these may be different from accepted Chinese customs.


What needs to be accepted?  What needs to be tolerated?  What needs to be rejected?


What can be improved? 

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #138 on: November 01, 2015, 01:33:31 AM »
One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is tolerance.


Hong Kong is an International City with many tourists.  They bring their culture and customs.  Some of these may be different from accepted Chinese customs.


What needs to be accepted?  What needs to be tolerated?  What needs to be rejected?


What can be improved?


Is it meaningful to accept:
1.  Actions that do not harm others such as guy rights, political demonstrations that block streets, fake handbags, watches, etc.
2.  Actions that will delay or block infrastructure development that will benefit the majority - such as preventing development of new towns, new roads, etc.
3.  Actions that will limit the development potential of others such as limiting the opportunities of the domestic helpers, refugees, etc.
4.  The right to die with dignity such as the very old, the terminally sick, etc.
5.  Challenges to moral, religious or traditional values such as  relationship before marriage, worships via Internet, letting the government take care of the old, etc.
6.  Continued talk of revenge of earlier wars such as the Second World War, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Middle East Wars etc.


With the new paradigm of lead-out energy flying saucers, there will be new degrees of freedom.  National boundaries will disappear or will become uncontrollable...  What are the new rules?  Who will define these rules?

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« Reply #139 on: November 01, 2015, 09:42:23 AM »

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/china-abandons-one-child-policy
Tom Phillips in Beijing


Thursday 29 October 2015 14.37

China has scrapped its one-child policy, allowing all couples to have two children for the first time since draconian family planning rules were introduced more than three decades ago.

The announcement followed a four-day Communist party summit in Beijing where China’s top leaders debated financial reforms and how to maintain growth at a time of heightened concerns about the economy.


*** What was Meaningful changed.  China can now provide a higher standard of living for a larger population.  All Nations should re-examine what is Meaningful from time to time.


*** When will it be Meaningful for USA and China to disclose the top secret?

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #140 on: November 02, 2015, 01:06:20 AM »
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/china-abandons-one-child-policy
Tom Phillips in Beijing


Thursday 29 October 2015 14.37

China has scrapped its one-child policy, allowing all couples to have two children for the first time since draconian family planning rules were introduced more than three decades ago.

The announcement followed a four-day Communist party summit in Beijing where China’s top leaders debated financial reforms and how to maintain growth at a time of heightened concerns about the economy.


*** What was Meaningful changed.  China can now provide a higher standard of living for a larger population.  All Nations should re-examine what is Meaningful from time to time.


*** When will it be Meaningful for USA and China to disclose the top secret?


China also benefited from the Green Revolution.  The number of farmers decreased.  The acreage of farmland decreased.  Food production increased.  The improvement in farming, processing and storage technologies ensured sufficient food for its population.  The additional mouths from the expected increase of the two children policy will not go hungry.


Using lead-out energy flying saucer technology to improve energy and transportation will be meaningful for China - even in the field of agriculture.  China should speed up the pace of development and let the top secret be used for non-military use.


Every person in the World can enjoy more Modern Wealth.  The World Population growth is around 1 %.  Modern Wealth can grow much faster than 1%.  China has a growth rate much higher.  Developing Nations should examine the model and achieve a similarly high growth rate.


There is no need to conquer another Nation.  Modern Wealth can be created with no wars, no robbing or cheating...  Win-win is possible.

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« Reply #141 on: November 03, 2015, 01:25:07 PM »
Food security at present and in the future.


Over the past 20 years, the Latin America and the Caribbean region has significantly increased its share in global agricultural trade'


   " Latin America is home to about 28% of potential new arable land. And despite droughts and water scarcity in some sub-regions, it also holds the highest share of renewable water resources. "

*** Can Africa do something similar?  China is helping - developing a potential food supplier...

To be successful in the new paradigm of abundant energy and easy travelling, the World needs peace, security for everyone and "equal opportunity" for all to achieve their highest potential.

Developed Nations cannot just look inwards.  They must help to raise the quality of life of others - sharing knowledge freely on the Internet is a good way; doing example projects together is another, helping to find what is Meaningful may be a key...
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« Reply #142 on: November 04, 2015, 12:20:28 PM »
Conversation with an Economist.


Economist: "Do you know that if the lead-out energy flying saucer technology is true, the World as we know it will change totally?"

Tseung: "Please elaborate."


Economist: "One key factor in the development of any economy is energy.  If that were cheap and abundant, the growth rate will be extremely high.  China can go back to double digit growth in the foreseeable future.  Energy is the fuel of the economic engine.  With more fuel, the engine can run faster."


Tseung: "How about the flying saucer technology?"


Economist: "That will be a revolution in its own right.  Cars have given man a new degree of freedom compared with the day of the horse.  Flying Saucers will give new dreams.  That is why China and USA Governments are keeping the technology top secret."


Tseung: "Scientific progress is inevitable.  The advantages outweight the disadvantages."


Economist: "Tesla talked and built free energy devices.  He got his support cut off."


Tseung: "If the products come out from a totally unexpected Nation, what will happen?"


Economist: "England become the Colonial Power with the Industrial Revolution.  It dominated the World,"


Tseung: "I hope that will never happen again.  All Nations and Humans can enjoy Modern Wealth."

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« Reply #143 on: November 04, 2015, 11:54:08 PM »

Economy of Ethiopia

In 2013/14, Ethiopia’s economy grew by 10.3%, making the country one of Africa’s top performing economies and this strong growth is expected to continue in 2015 and 2016.
Owing to a co-ordinated prudent fiscal and monetary policy stance, inflation has been contained to single digits since 2013.

Federalism and devolution of power to the regions are paving the way to overcoming geographic and socio-economic barriers to inclusive growth and structural transformation.


The International Monetary Fund (IMF) ranks Ethiopia as among the five fastest growing economies in the world. After a decade of continuous expansion (during which real GDP growth averaged 10.8% per annum), in 2013/14 the economy grew for its 11th consecutive year posting 10.3% growth. Over the 12 months from July 2013 (the country’s fiscal year runs from July-July), all of the economy’s main sectors performed well. Agriculture (which represents 40.2% of GDP) grew by 5.4%, industry (14% of GDP) expanded by 21.2% and services (46.2% of GDP) rose by 11.9%. This positive growth should continue for the coming two years, although constraints on private sector development could slow its momentum.


***It is an example of an African Nation finding what is Meaningful and helping themselves.  It may work on and develop the lead--out energy flying saucer...

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« Reply #144 on: November 05, 2015, 05:22:40 PM »
What is the most Meaningful way to help a Developing Nation?


1.  Give aid.  This is like giving money to your teenage children.  They may just depend on that money.


2.  Develop their potential.  Buy their goods and services.  I still remember the days when Hong Kong got orders to produce plastic flowers and wigs.  Some people questioned the usefulness of such products.  However, it produced jobs.  It got the people feeling good about themselves.  It got the whole light industry (textiles, toys) going.  It got people to travel, to do commerce and learn the import and export trade.


Is it more meaningful to get the children to learn some skills and get jobs.  Is it more Meaningful to order and buy products from a Developing Nation to develop its potential and confidence?  Can China use some of its huge foreign currency reserve to buy clothes, toys, plastic flowers, furniture, food from a Developing Nation with the intention of speeding up its development.  Can that be turned into a win-win?


It is not just a matter of buying the best or the cheapest product.  It is a matter developing the confidence and potential of another Nation.  This has to be done with planning and moderation.  It is like encouraging the children to write a computer program or a game.  The program or game may not be the best (or not even good).  But that would give the children a chance to learn and master the skills.  I still remember writing the Black Jack Game in Basic... 


The lead-out energy flying saucer may be a Meaningful Activity in the right direction.  UFOs are flying.  Can they be man-made?  Can a Developing Nation rediscover the top secret of USA and China?

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« Reply #145 on: November 06, 2015, 09:59:55 PM »
Talking about the making plastic flower days in Hong Kong.


Retiree A:  "I remember those days.  Hong Kong did not have much industry after the war.  There were plenty of refugees.  There were no proper housing.  We took the parts and made the flowers at home.  There were no minimum wage or maximum working hours.  It was a matter how many pieces you make that determined how much you earn."


Retiree B: "It was a family affair.  It did not matter about age.  Boys and girls at eight or nine years old joined."


Retiree C: "Initially, I questioned what was the use of plastic flowers.  I was indoctrinated to believe that only heavy industries were good.  Making products to make the Westerners feel good was a waste of time.  But I soon realized that getting the order was a good thing.  The refugees got jobs. We learned to be efficient.  We had mini assembly lines at home."


Tseung: "It was the start of the light industry in Hong Kong.  Hong Kong started making things.  I still remember working at Fairchild Semi-conductors.  I helped to document how the efficiency increased over 1,000 percent.  It was not only low wages.  It was the improvement at every step.  One big improvement was replacing the placing of chips on the plates for testing.  The process from USA was to use tiny vacuum pumps to pick up each diode chip and place it on the plate.  In Hong Kong, a female worker just poured the chips on the plate and used a card  to separate and align them.  The chips that were bottom up were flicked over gently.  What used to take 20 women one whole day could be done by a "skill" worker in 2 hours."


Retiree A: "Every Individual was focused on making money.  We had to find the most efficient ways.  In the textile industry, we had the choice of buying the old machinery or buying the most efficient modern ones.  Some bought the old ones but they could not compete with the modern ones in terms of making money."


Retiree B: "China learned from Hong Kong.  Many Hong Kong owners set up factories in China.  Chinese engineers and technicians examined every process and made improvements.  They had the Government to help in setting up their own factories, giving all the incentives to produce products for exports, etc."


Retiree C: "China accepted pollution.  Workers lived in factory provided housing.  If needed, they worked overtime.  China became the lowest cost manufacturer."


Tseung: "The World has progressed.  We do not go to the cheapest restaurants all the time any more.  We look for quality and variety.  Sometimes we even go the restaurants of our friends or relatives to support them even though the food was not of the highest quality."


Retiree A: "Are you saying that we should buy goods from a Developing Country even if the quality is not the best and the price is not the cheapest?"


Tseung: "We have to think about the World now.  We have to deal with and respect all Nations.  We have to treat every one as a friend.  If a friend produces a toy and I have plenty of spare cash, i do not mind buying it if it is functional and safe.  The price may be higher.  I may tell my friend and help him to improve."


Retiree B: "You are talking about changing the game of the World.  We are too old to do anything."


Are we???

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« Reply #146 on: November 07, 2015, 01:19:09 AM »
You lot are nuts !!!! over population ???? what ???? hahahahah we can handle 22 billion and thats without free energy !
Lol. Just because this rock might have the square footage for it doesn't mean you can support them on that square foot  ::)

Food problems ? we got advance home grow food technology 10 000 times fast than a plant in a field
Magic beans? Jack is that you ???

... And than what about the moon ??? Thats good for another 5 billon !
Let me guess. We actually landed on it didn't we 8)

   What mad world are you planning for ???? If it was up to you we would all be eating each other in 30 years ! The idea  of isolating a problem is to solve it ! Thats my job as you guys couldn't solve a melting block of ice ...
I live on earth. Not sure where you are though. You'll have no choice but to eat your neighbors when fresh water runs out and you can't grow anything anymore. Can't raise livestock without that magic liquid so no more weekend grilling that steak or burger. We are the problem. Removing us is the cure. Your solution is magic beans on the moon :o

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« Reply #147 on: November 07, 2015, 01:19:16 AM »
The UFOs made in USA and in China are already flying.


The 225 HP Pulse Motor and the Tsinghua Energy Multiplier were working in 2000.  The late Lee Cheung Kin and I presented the lead-out energy theory in 2004.  The QMOGEN patent was granted to Jesse McQueen in USA in 2006.


The lead-out energy flying saucer is a paradigm shifting technology.  It is similar to Newton's Laws of Motion.  It is similar to the invention of the gun and cannons.  It is like the Atomic Bomb that ended the Second World War.


If USA were the only Nation that could produce the Atomic weapons, it might be able to dominate the World forever.  However, science and technology can be learned by all.  The Internet has facilitated that.


One approach that USA took was - join my camp and I could give you prosperity.  I could buy your goods, provide investment and teach you democracy.  That is the magic to prosperity.  Once you are in my camp, you do not need to worry about Nuclear Wars.  You do not need to develop weapons.  I shall protect you.


The rise of China provided the Developing Nations with another alternative.  There is no need to choose democracy.  There is no need to join the USA camp.  There is no need to accept the USA dominated Multi-nationals.  Modern Wealth can be generated by increasing the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.


One of the most Meaningful Economic Activities in Hong Kong is real estate.  It has to be built within the local place.  It can be done without foreign investment.  It provides a better environment for its citizens.  Almost all Nations can develop such Meaningful Economic Activities.  Just do not over do it.


The fear from USA is that some "independent" Nation can master the lead-out energy flying saucer technology and run with it.  USA knows that China has such a technology.  There is the Nuclear Weapon club.  No other Nation is allowed to join. 


The lead-out energy flying saucer technology is potentially more paradigm changing.  The USA and Chinese Leaders have not figured out what to do.  They are treating it as a matter of National Security.  They can influence the Nations in their camp.  But there are Nations outside their camp.  What happens when such "independent" Nations master such technology and introduce products?


The World has changed from scarcity to relative abundance.  Food is no longer a problem.  in USA, some farmers are paid not to produce food.  In China, some cropland is returned to forests.  Knowledge is not a problem with the Internet.  Cars, refrigerators, electrical appliances will no longer be scarce with multiple suppliers.  Money can and have been printed.  There is no lack of capital for investment (if one has the right connections).   Prosperity can reach every human being provided that we do not have another population explosion.

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« Reply #148 on: November 07, 2015, 01:46:27 AM »
...One approach that USA took was - join my camp and I could give you prosperity.  I could buy your goods, provide investment and teach you democracy.  That is the magic to prosperity.  Once you are in my camp, you do not need to worry about Nuclear Wars.  You do not need to develop weapons.  I shall protect you...
Yup. That's what they told Ukraine. They got rid of all their nukes a while ago which didn't work out to well for them recently. Not to worry though. Russia just moved a bunch of nukes back into that region so all is well again ::)

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« Reply #149 on: November 07, 2015, 03:34:38 AM »
I AM SURE WE ALL AGREE THAN !...
Yes! We are on the same page now. Got to wipe the slate clean every now and then. It's just good house keeping. I don't know if we can wait on our governments to help us get the UFO tech released. We have to find a way to do it ourselves. I have a couple ideas that I think have a (.0000001) percent chance of working so we are pretty much screwed if it's up to me. Hopefully someone out there, perhaps it's you, will head the call of ltseung888 in releasing the secrets of the leading-out energy!!!

 

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