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Offline joel321

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #120 on: October 09, 2015, 10:02:51 AM »
Hey sir, have you thought about this type of propulsion combine with magnetism http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhqahh_laser-beam-powered-propulsion-spacecraft-lightcraft_tech

Check out how the laser light explodes like plasma in this picture https://i.imgur.com/jYRkUUM.png which makes you think about the plasma in the universe.

Keep up the good work sir.

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« Reply #120 on: October 09, 2015, 10:02:51 AM »

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #121 on: October 09, 2015, 09:54:31 PM »
Hey sir, have you thought about this type of propulsion combine with magnetism http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhqahh_laser-beam-powered-propulsion-spacecraft-lightcraft_tech

Check out how the laser light explodes like plasma in this picture https://i.imgur.com/jYRkUUM.png which makes you think about the plasma in the universe.

Keep up the good work sir.

Thank you for the interesting information.

I firmly believe many UFOs are man made.  The technology is kept top secret for fear of an unexplored paradigm.  With lead-out energy flying saucers, what would happen to Nations and National Boundaries?  What would happen to "Wealth of Nations"?

I believe that the Internet has brought knowledge to the masses - any person can present his idea to the rest of the World.  Much of the known technology can be applied to the developing Nations - speeding up their development.  When every Nation and individual enjoys the fruits of good food, clothing, transport, medical care, education etc., the temptation to risk such comfort and risk destructive wars will be much lower.

Disclosing the top secret to the World (against the wishes of some Military Thinkers in China and USA) may be a good thing...  Those in authority may not be right all the time...  We have access to much information.

*** This website has information that is worth looking into.
http://www.billionsinchange.com/film

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #122 on: October 10, 2015, 04:47:41 AM »
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I firmly believe many UFOs are man made.  The technology is kept top secret for fear of an unexplored paradigm.  With lead-out energy flying saucers, what would happen to Nations and National Boundaries?  What would happen to "Wealth of Nations"?

Yes I agree since it is a rule of “knowledge”. The cave men did not have computers and now we can go to the moon physically and send proves to Pluto. But if we understand how “knowledge” is born from the “fishing” for fish, we can understand that the “knowledge” of understanding such knowledge must come from outer space. With out dueling in “theories”, the rule of thumb is that we are learning from the “outside” = outsiders perspective. So we have an accumulation of 50% more outer space UFO's and less than 50% man made UFO's… where the teachers of UFO technology has to come from outer space knowledge.

Regarding that keeping it secret to the general public is makes sense too. Just like the armies never show their schematics of their weapons so the opponent cannot have an “upper hand”...for example, no one knows right know how the drones work 100%. we may have a clue by looking to the past of how radar works and laser communication, but we don't know 100% what is happening 'behind closed doors' exactly and I’m sure most of the UFO type aircraft flights are done during the night or when it is very cloudy (hide behind the night/clouds).

So yes I agree, the army has many many undisclosed UFO's that can change the economy of this world. It's only a matter of time to get disclosed by those who understand these things.

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believe that the Internet has brought knowledge to the masses - any person can present his idea to the rest of the World.  Much of the known technology can be applied to the developing Nations - speeding up their development.  When every Nation and individual enjoys the fruits of good food, clothing, transport, medical care, education etc., the temptation to risk such comfort and risk destructive wars will be much lower.

True the GREEDY side of things is that the neurons change in the mind of the money hungry. It is corruption-corrupts-absolutely where the human being tasting the drug of money cannot have enough where it becomes and addiction to control the people out of their money not for developing their minds NOR helping the earth survive BUT to make money and enjoy seeing how people suffer. This is a thing that no psychology teacher will tell you….the GREEDY are sick people with no heart!

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Disclosing the top secret to the World (against the wishes of some Military Thinkers in China and USA) may be a good thing...  Those in authority may not be right all the time...  We have access to much information.

Yes and they are countering with neutralizing the FREEDOM of speech on the internet by getting the internet very very restricted pretty soon. The internet is a gold mine of information and an acumulation of many upon many intelligent people that are not corrupted. They now want to control the internet so you cannot express your FREEDOM of speech. Once the internet is “filtered” there would be very very few speaking their knowledge. Only that what the internet moderators allow.

At any rate, I hope everything works out good for everyone and support the FREEDOM of knowledge since that is how we learn = from each other and teaching the kids.

I will read that website when I have time thanks.

Keep on teaching kids/people how to fish. :)

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« Reply #122 on: October 10, 2015, 04:47:41 AM »
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« Reply #123 on: October 10, 2015, 09:02:30 AM »
Yes I agree since it is a rule of “knowledge”. The cave men did not have computers and now we can go to the moon physically and send proves to Pluto. But if we understand how “knowledge” is born from the “fishing” for fish, we can understand that the “knowledge” of understanding such knowledge must come from outer space. With out dueling in “theories”, the rule of thumb is that we are learning from the “outside” = outsiders perspective. So we have an accumulation of 50% more outer space UFO's and less than 50% man made UFO's… where the teachers of UFO technology has to come from outer space knowledge.

Regarding that keeping it secret to the general public is makes sense too. Just like the armies never show their schematics of their weapons so the opponent cannot have an “upper hand”...for example, no one knows right know how the drones work 100%. we may have a clue by looking to the past of how radar works and laser communication, but we don't know 100% what is happening 'behind closed doors' exactly and I’m sure most of the UFO type aircraft flights are done during the night or when it is very cloudy (hide behind the night/clouds).

So yes I agree, the army has many many undisclosed UFO's that can change the economy of this world. It's only a matter of time to get disclosed by those who understand these things.

True the GREEDY side of things is that the neurons change in the mind of the money hungry. It is corruption-corrupts-absolutely where the human being tasting the drug of money cannot have enough where it becomes and addiction to control the people out of their money not for developing their minds NOR helping the earth survive BUT to make money and enjoy seeing how people suffer. This is a thing that no psychology teacher will tell you….the GREEDY are sick people with no heart!

Yes and they are countering with neutralizing the FREEDOM of speech on the internet by getting the internet very very restricted pretty soon. The internet is a gold mine of information and an acumulation of many upon many intelligent people that are not corrupted. They now want to control the internet so you cannot express your FREEDOM of speech. Once the internet is “filtered” there would be very very few speaking their knowledge. Only that what the internet moderators allow.

At any rate, I hope everything works out good for everyone and support the FREEDOM of knowledge since that is how we learn = from each other and teaching the kids.

I will read that website when I have time thanks.

Keep on teaching kids/people how to fish. :)

Joel:  You keep talking about greedy.  Did you ever stop to think what would happen if there were no rewards for pushing our technology forward?
If not for that reward, we would still be rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Please get real man.

Bill

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #124 on: October 10, 2015, 03:57:53 PM »
Joel:  You keep talking about greedy.  Did you ever stop to think what would happen if there were no rewards for pushing our technology forward?
If not for that reward, we would still be rubbing sticks together to make fire.  Please get real man.

Bill

The World has progressed.  Wealth is no longer land, resources and population.  Modern Wealth is the quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.  Such activities can be increased to infinity - just like numbers.  We need to redefine our collective value systems.

China made a big change in its value system - one child family.  That allowed the increased wealth to be spread amongst fewer number of citizens.  The increase in standard of living in the last few decades has become the fastest in human history...

The old concept of greed was to take things from others.  The new concept is to increase Modern Wealth and take more share from the increased pie...

The forum in here is even better - knowledge has the property that the more you give away, the more you will have.  I have posted much but I have gained more...

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #125 on: October 12, 2015, 08:13:18 PM »
Can the lead-out energy flying saucer be the weapon that can wipe out all known weapons?
1.   It does not require fuel.
2.   It can made very sharp turns. The path is unpredictable.
3.   It can move to outer space and then come down at speeds no missiles can match.
4.   It can carry nuclear bombs.
5.   The weapons that might destroy it may be the laser beams.
6.   But it may have the stealth technology making it almost impossible to track.
7.   The first wave of attack will disrupt almost all electronic communications making radar ineffective.
8.   If more than one Nation have such weapons, war means the end of the human race.

There are man-made UFOs flying already.   Have they reached weapon grade?
If the basic theory is centrifugal force (King David Sling technology) plus lead-out energy, how many Nations are capable of developing it?
Do USA and China have the scientists and engineers to develop such a weapon?  Have they developed it already?

What is more meaningful?  Keep quiet or disclose such a technology?

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #126 on: October 13, 2015, 10:25:13 AM »
Bob Lazar Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VWmNm6J09M

Discussing the above youtube video with Scientist X.

Bob Lazar said that he was hired to work on Project Galileo in 1989 for about 6 month to reverse engineer a UFO in Area S4. 
At 9:20 time interval, Bob mentioned that the UFO came from a Binary Star.
At 10:27, there was a fight between Aliens and Security Personnel with death to many Security Personnel.
At 15:16, there was mention of gravity wave.
At 23:10, there was talk of gravity distorts space and time.
At 25:45, there was talk of element 115 that acts as fuel to the UFO.

Scientist X: “One possible explanation was that the USA Government was sending misleading information to confuse.  I think your explanation of King David Sling Technology is easier to accept.”

Tseung: “Thank you.  Please elaborate.”

Scientist X: “The moment one mentions that gravity waves distort space and time, one enters the unknown.  There are speculations and no solid science.”

Tseung: “How about Element 115?”

Scientist X: “Another speculation.”

Tseung: “What is your recommendation?”

Scientist X: “Stick to your lead-out energy flying saucer theory and let some qualified groups do more research and development.”

Tseung: "Do you think the USA and Chinese Governments have already developed something similar?"

Scientist X: "Possible but at this point, it is just speculation.  I do not rule out UFO sightings but I do not risk my career on it."

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #127 on: October 16, 2015, 08:26:18 PM »
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/electromagnet-12v

The electromagnets are designed for lifting.  But they can be used for our repulsion experiment.  The cost is a few to tens of US dollars.  We may need to build the jumping part...

Open discussion and development has its virtues...

*** Meaningful Economic Activities.  Now almost every organization with DSO can do the electromagnet repulsion experiment.  Who will configure it appropriately first and publish the results  (COP > 1)?  The results can be easily verified. 

Can China and USA keep their top secret?
« Last Edit: October 17, 2015, 12:04:49 AM by ltseung888 »

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #128 on: October 18, 2015, 08:03:55 PM »
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/round-holding-electromagnet-JSP-3022-12V_1475984387.html

The attached is an electromagnet manufactured in China.  Shall contact this company and other similar ones to get more information.

If a relationship can be developed, the experiment may be enhanced.

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« Reply #128 on: October 18, 2015, 08:03:55 PM »
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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #129 on: October 20, 2015, 08:18:16 PM »
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/johnson.htm

A person sent me this link.

One of the pictures has the element of an unbalanced wheel - a rotating arm in a wheel with magnets?

I still like the diagram in reply 1 - the lead-out energy flying saucer better.
http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg454951/#msg454951

Graduating from kindergarten in this case means not to believe or waste energy on all suggestions...  Studying Patrick Kelly's Book would have taken years...

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« Reply #130 on: October 24, 2015, 01:04:36 AM »
The two important aspects of UFO propulsion are:

1.  Varying circular motion produces changing centrifugal force.  The difference in centrifugal force provides the net thrust in the appropriate direction.  Multiple UFO engines allow hovering, sharp turns, going into outer space etc.

2.  Leading out of energy from the surrounding.  One form of energy is the gravitational energy that is available anywhere in space.  A horizontally pulsed pendulum will increase the tension of the string.  The vertical component of the tension will raise the pendulum bob and thus lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy.  The Milkovic two stage pendulum uses the pendulum swing to raise the weight to bring-in gravitational energy.  When the pendulum swings, the largest downward force is produced when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position - highest centrifugal force.  The weight is lifted at this point with no loss of momentum of the swing.

If gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in, magnetic or electromagnetic energy can be brought-in via magnetic pendulums in magnetic fields.  Electromagnets orientate the tiny magnets (dipoles) of the iron core to produce suddenly large magnetic fields.  A pulsing DC current acts similar to pulsing a pendulum.  Magnetic or electromagnetic energy is brought-in.  The brought-in energy is then replenished by the surrounding electromagnetic energy that is always available.

Both gravitational and electromagnetic energy are available in space.  Some positions carry more.  This is one possible scientific explanation of the propulsion of the UFO engine...

Both China and USA have developed UFOs...  One possible design is outlined in reply 1 of this thread.  The technology is within the capability of many Nations.

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Re: Ufo propu engine, closed loop
« Reply #131 on: October 28, 2015, 01:16:04 AM »
At a meeting with old friends.

"What are Meaningful Economic Activities for retired persons like us?"

The answered varied.  Some examples were:
1.  Enjoy the grand children.
2.  Help the underprivileged.  If you are still warm, shine your light.
3.  Enjoy the wine and the travelling.  Do not wait.  Sitting on the wheel chair with no teeth is no fun.
4.  Share your experience with the young. Hope they will make less mistakes. 
5.  The world keeps progressing.  We did not have computers, Internet and iphones when we grew up.  Let the young take on the responsibility.
6.  There are old values to keep.  There are moral values that need to be re-examined.  One example is the result of China's one child family.  There will be 115 men to 100 women.  Should we allow one woman to have more than one husband?
7.  What is Meaningful at one time may not be meaningful now.  For example, it was meaningful to save as much as possible for the rainy day.  Now the concept is to spend to keep the economy growing.  Governments should pump out more money at down times to stimulate the economy.
8.  There is no point in keeping some technology top secret to have military dominance.  The right path is win-win. 
9.  Let many people define what they believe as Meaningful.  The extreme ones are unlikely to get support.  The way to prevent wars is to listen to each other and share the new wealth - quality and quantity of Meaningful Economic Activities.

Will China and USA disclose their UFO secrets?

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« Reply #132 on: October 28, 2015, 05:48:20 AM »
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Will China and USA disclose their UFO secrets?
Nope. Only when they have a new war toy to show off.

I applaud your efforts to research the lead out energy. Just read that global warming will push some temperatures in the Persian Gulf beyond human tolerance levels by 2100. I wish such energy efforts would help but I'm afraid if we had cleaner energy alternatives we would simply consume it all up as well. Without population control, we are like locusts to this planet and its other inhabitants.

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« Reply #133 on: October 28, 2015, 12:07:11 PM »
Nope. Only when they have a new war toy to show off.

I applaud your efforts to research the lead out energy. Just read that global warming will push some temperatures in the Persian Gulf beyond human tolerance levels by 2100. I wish such energy efforts would help but I'm afraid if we had cleaner energy alternatives we would simply consume it all up as well. Without population control, we are like locusts to this planet and its other inhabitants.

I agree with your statement on population control.  China is unlikely to have its rapid economic development without the one child policy.  I came from a family of eight children.  The young ones wore the clothes of the old ones...

One of the Meaningful Economic Activities is to use Energy more efficiently.  The US model of cars with one driver driving on highways may not be meaningful...

I have the gut feel that the lead-out energy flying saucer will come out from a totally unexpected Nation first.  The experiments can be done by almost any Nation. 

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« Reply #134 on: October 28, 2015, 12:31:02 PM »
What are the likely actions from the USA or Chinese Governments to keep the technology a top secret?
1.   Discredit the inventors or researchers
2.   Send in investors or helpers to sabotage
3.   Use National Security as excuse to stop the Research and Development
4.   Hire the inventors or researchers into top secret military institutes
5.   Silence the Inventors including murder
6.     Post false information on the Internet.  Turn the research into a mockery
7.     Send in the debunkers to get the inventors upset
8.     Use scientific roadblocks such as Law of Conservation of Energy

But if the theory is as simple as outlined in reply 1 of this thread, almost any Nation can develop it.  It was like the Internet forty years ago.  Many scientists and engineers could see the potential.  But it required much resources to develop it…
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