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nilrehob

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SSG modes COP
« on: November 04, 2014, 09:54:31 AM »
A few weeks ago I finally figured out the common standard ordinary mainstream textbook theory what makes the Tesla-switch so interesting.
Then yesterday I watched a presentation by Peter Lindemann where he mentioned the Bedini SSG generator-mode.
After some calculations I came up with the following COP for some different SSG-modes:

Std SSG: 50%
Gen Mode: 66%
Ossie/TS Mode: 75%
Mixed Mode: 80%

A short presentation of the theory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo1RsJ0ym2Y

A previous video comparing Std SSG vs Ossie/TS Mode in a real life experiment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eh5pQpNsGM

/Hob
« Last Edit: November 04, 2014, 01:07:13 PM by nilrehob »
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Dave45

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 11:22:21 PM »
Thank you for sharing,
very interesting circuits.
I too am working on simple circuits to find the principle we are looking for.
All the best
dave

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MarkE

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2014, 12:25:34 AM »
Quote from: Dave45 on November 04, 2014, 11:22:21 PM
Thank you for sharing,
very interesting circuits.
I too am working on simple circuits to find the principle we are looking for.
All the best
dave
In the left hand circuit the top diode just wastes power and serves no useful purpose.  Ditto the bottom diode in the right hand circuit.

In the left hand circuit, the bottom diode is reverse biased, IE off when the NPN transistor is on.  No current flows through the right hand battery.  When the NPN transistor turns off, the coil discharges through the diode and the right hand battery.  You can make the circuit much more efficient by putting a driver in front of the NPN transistor to switch it off quickly and changing the diode to either a Schottky type or a synchronous rectifier.
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TinselKoala

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2014, 01:14:11 AM »
I wonder what "COP" you get in MHOP mode.


Meanwhile, Dave and Mark try this little circuit. You'll get a "kick" out of analyzing it, I'm sure. It's the circuit of the Perpendupetulum, and runs off bright room lighting onto a solar cell.
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MarkE

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2014, 01:40:51 AM »
I don't know why C2 is so large.  Otherwise it looks like a lot of other harvesting devices.
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Dave45

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2014, 01:56:55 AM »
Wouldn't it be better to pump current into the battery instead of voltage, or how about both.
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Dave45

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2014, 02:13:57 AM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on November 05, 2014, 01:14:11 AM
I wonder what "COP" you get in MHOP mode.


Meanwhile, Dave and Mark try this little circuit. You'll get a "kick" out of analyzing it, I'm sure. It's the circuit of the Perpendupetulum, and runs off bright room lighting onto a solar cell.
Whats interesting is where the pull up resistor is connected.
Does it get hit with pos and then neg.
I wonder how fast it turns on and off.
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Dave45

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2014, 03:37:33 AM »
Current flow follows electron flow, this is why the current doesnt just run to ground.
This causes a cycling through the inductor and diode.
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TinselKoala

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2014, 04:04:38 AM »
The triggered pulses are pretty short, 25 ms or so.

The circuit in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dMPQs5vpek
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MarkE

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2014, 04:43:57 AM »
Texas we have resonance!
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Dave45

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2014, 05:04:00 AM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on November 05, 2014, 04:04:38 AM
The triggered pulses are pretty short, 25 ms or so.

The circuit in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dMPQs5vpek
Too Cool
Bro I have to say you do good work.
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nilrehob

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2014, 07:34:42 AM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on November 05, 2014, 01:14:11 AM
I wonder what "COP" you get in MHOP mode.

Isn’t MHOP about how to trigger the switch rather than where the switch (and the rest) is in the circuit?

/Hob
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TinselKoala

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2014, 09:46:45 AM »
Quote from: nilrehob on November 05, 2014, 07:34:42 AM
Isn’t MHOP about how to trigger the switch rather than where the switch (and the rest) is in the circuit?

/Hob

That's mostly true, although there is a little finesse in the output side as well. But yes, it is still your basic lowside switch arrangement.
The MHOP's sense/trigger system gives the operator full control over dwell and timing, and the optional strobe circuit lets the user know the timing and dwell without the use of external instruments like a scope. The coil polarity can be reversed by a switch, so it's easy to change from an attraction-type to a repulsion-type PM without complicated reconfiguring, and the power take-off and recirculation bits have options too. The recirculation, for example, uses 2 neons, one each to the positive and negative poles of the run battery.
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TinselKoala

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2014, 09:49:40 AM »
Quote from: Dave45 on November 05, 2014, 05:04:00 AM
Too Cool
Bro I have to say you do good work.

Thanks! I'm learning, right along with the rest of us.
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PhiChaser

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Re: SSG modes COP
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2014, 12:05:36 AM »
Trying out a variant, seemed like a fun thing to try and make, thanks for sharing TK!
Pic of my (second) attempt; used an LED instead of the diode and I added a 331 potentiometer on the positive input instead of a 330 ohm resistor.

Okay, back to lurking... ;)

Phi Chaser
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