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New Battery systems => Crystal batteries => Topic started by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 27, 2014, 01:27:20 PM
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I've worked for a few weeks on what I'm calling a nanocrystal oxide
I haven't found anything similar except for John Bedini trying to make his cathode a semi conductor and that really isn't what's going on here.
I made a YouTube video http://youtu.be/X-HAgHLdk-M
for my Channel for a better description of what's going on.
What I do is heat a piece of nickel till its cherry red and quench it in a solution of aluminum sulfate no salt and iodized salt dissolved in tap water I do the same to magnesium ribbon
Now the biggest problem is keeping sweat and oils away from the components of the cell because they will then give you a false reading, if you contaminate them and that contamination will shorten the life of the cell, I believe however my oldest cell is only two to three weeks old. Unless anyone else can tell me who or where they have seen this (witch is fine great minds think alike) I'm going to claim this discovery as my own.
And as I said before I open source this information because, you never know I could walk out my front door and get hit by a bus (or at least that will be the story ) and information should be free
The link again is
http://youtu.be/X-HAgHLdk-M
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Hey jon mm interesting but isn't there still magnesium metal there at the anode?
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yeah I know but making an oxide layer with no moisture or at least minimal amounts of moisture the magnesium seems to not react
which makes me think that the cells will last for a very long time
Ive used magnesium before in wet cell construction and I just don't want to get away from it because it's packed full of energy
And I have one device, a wet cell, that is still making current after six months
But I put these new cells under a load of a led so I'll see how long it last
And I like how thin the cells can be with this design
I Could make a device about the size of a cell phone that probably could run a lamp .....with a led lamp and a joule theft...on low lol
I think it's something to stand on.
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Take a few milligrams of magnesi foil and use that as anode and see how long you can get it to go jon.if its still going after 2 weeks then sumtin's hecticly anomolous going down
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I'll give that a try but I'll have to find some...
can I find it in any house hold appliances? Or should I just order it
The idea for using the ribbon was to use something thin that would run out quickly if it was the normal reaction
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Printer-plates or school-lab-magnesi ribbon is fine.weigh exactly 20-200 milligram on a scale and then put into cell.calculate faraday-equivalency and proceed.magnesi's gram-molar weight must be divide by 2 to get 96500 colombo equivalency (Mg2+).you must calculate how long you expect your sample to last.one amp is one colomb/second.one milliamp is one millicolomb/sec.one microamp is one microcolomb/sec
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I'm having a hard time calculating how long the cell should last, I normally just try for as long as I can go and see when it will stop putting out current.
I found the Mol value
then divided
then multiplied by the constant but now I'm not sure where I should be going next
this is my work :
.70 g MG
Molar value
0.028800658300749998
÷2
0.0144003292
×
96500
1,389.631762975eq
÷24
=57.9013234573 days=?
I really just don't know
could you take a look and maybe show me how to do this equation?
Because 57 days does seem right as far as my experience goes with magnesium ribbon but the way I came to that numberseem very wrong shouldn't the value be in seconds so I should be multiply up to days and then the end value is 3,000 days and that can't be right?
but I ve never tried actually calculating it before
All the best
jon
Ps and if 3000 is right then "damn that's alot"
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Hi jon it'l take precisely 11days of continuous 1milliamp current to destroy exactly 0.12gram magnesium so its best to use smaller weights in these type tests.the weight of the cathode is irrelevant ofcourse only the anode dissolves.
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Thank you very much.
I'm graphing The voltage under a 1/8 wat 10 ohm resistor right now. My program only allows me to save up to five days of data. So I'm going to save it each day and record it. your more then welcome to review the data if you would like to. Much thanks
jon
#fingerscrossed
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Exellent jon.what is your current at moment and what weight ribbon are you using.
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Currently at .784 v after about twelve hours.
1.03 @ 1.5 mili amp when I first started measuring
The sample weighs approx .70 grams
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0.7g mmm it might take a while jon.what you can try doing is putting the cell in a warm(not hot) water or oil bath with a heater in it to raise current a bit.you can put the cell in a cup or glass beaker so that it doesn't get wet.you can also simply put the cell near(not ontop) a regular home heater to raise temp
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.07 g
I just looked and I posted the wrong weight
but I'm already getting some unusual data. At about 9 o'clock today the temperature rose in my workshop because today was warmer than usual and the voltage started trending up
I just took a temperature reading of the cell and it is reading at 57.6 degrees Fahrenheitthe ambient wall tempture behind it is 58.4 to 59 depending on hight and similar metal around my workshop is 58-59 degreesthat
indicates to me that the cell is drawing ambient temperature energy
Could that mean it's a demon thing?
How can I verify it?
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0.07g will take about 6days to destroy at 1milliamp draw.only way to know 4 shore if its a maxwell is if we fly past day 6 jon,way past.what's readings now
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It's easier to do a video because of all the information
so here the link
and fwi and any other views of this post I don't receive compensation from views but it would be nice to have some traffic to my YouTube channel again
http://youtu.be/0xrbv_9T61k
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Ok jon how many hours have you been going so far.what's the average current
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Three days now with an average of 1-2 milli amps
but today the voltage is lower and it seems to be fatiguing
I want to give it an hour break and see if the voltage shoots back up but I'm not sure if that will rule oUT the "6 day" life span.
What do you think?
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If you can see in the graph the voltage begins ton spike and I did nothing that I could say what effecting the cell actually it was about the time I made my last post and after that I sat dowe for a movie with my sons
Call me crazy but good vibes effect this cell
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http://youtu.be/b4G2R9-VT8s
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What's happening with the .07gram mags jon.its day 5 now I think?
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It should be day six and it is most certainly still on I did videolog last night
https://youtu.be/ycqCXvT8SsY
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I'm going to hold back from getting scared until after day after tomorrow or so if its still going jon.tell me something is the cell sealed or exposed to air.
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I would say it's more vented then exposed. In the video I have a real good close up of what it looks like. And again I'm getting the feeling like it draws off good vibes because I was thinking it was my WiFi but the data correlates with the days that my boys are at my house and the voltage doesn't drop at night when there is little activity on the router
But in a few more days we can probably say it's running off another type of energy other then chemical?
And also I keep referencing you in my videos but I don't know your name? And I don't want to mispronounce your login name
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Stagename is pronounced proff-it-teaze like the greek way of saying it jon.I stick with my stagename for now although a few guys here may know my real name.what's the average current at the moment jon and are you sure that the weight of that sample was accurately measured?
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I'l freakout if its still going at 1milli after another 3 or 4 days yes
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The sample was so light I had to do a deduction measurement by putting two grams on my gold scale adding the mg taking a measurement then removing it and taking a measurement
I did this multiple times with graeter and lesser weights every time I got .07
I'm sure of it
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Well I have worked with mg before and as it decays it pops and fizzes and this cell does none of these
I'll do a video tonight showing how mg reacts to the crystal structure normally
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Ok then its pretty much accurate then.I do all my experiments in miniture form usually involving microamps and then I make deductions from there as to how larger models will behave.one way to get an accurate small weight of anode material is to simply electroplate very thin layers onto inert graphite,I just measure the time for electrodeposition/current
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What kind of cells are you making? electric plating?? Are you making wafer cells?
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I'm testing cells based upon catalytic spillover(google) where ficks' law of diffusion is the driving force
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I'm still in testing phases but yes these cells can be made wafer-thin and flexible.they need to have very specific advantages besides just lifetime over regular batteries in order to be of value commercially.the most powerful factor for regular batteries is low-cost/power-density but not always
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Do you have access to labs/chemicals jon
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I'm still in testing phases but yes these cells can be made wafer-thin and flexible.they need to have very specific advantages besides just lifetime over regular batteries in order to be of value commercially.the most powerful factor for regular batteries is low-cost/power-density but not always
have a look at robert murrey smiths vids on the batteries he's been making:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AkVj-qnJxNtKuz3rkq16A
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@ qtrhack, Robert is a good guy he works on some good stuff, he's a very smart man.
@profitis, depending on what chemicals I do, and if I don't I can sometimes make them. I would label my setup as more a hobby setup then anything. Like I do sometimes refine gold for a few extra bucks if it's relevant
But I did a videolog here https://youtu.be/8lBucCP8n1s demonstrating how reactive mg is.
profitis, do you sometimes used crystalrefers from old radios?
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Smith is good and I wont be surprised if he's taken a peek at some of my work on the karpen threads.his graphite-air karpen is exellent but he used paper as the electrolyte absorbent which is a no-no because it can provide fuel.I've sent out word for him to repeat his graphite karpen experiment using fiberglass or nylon absorbents instead of paper but I don't know if he's repeated the experiment. Paper,cardboard,starch must never be used in karpen setups because they provide fuel.cotton-cellulose is also a fuel
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@jon I use semicontuctor thin chemicaly deposited layers sometimes for investigation and I use crystals too eg FeS pyrite or PbS galena.the infrared-sensitive semiconductors give some very interesting results in certain photoelectrochemical setups.I always try make sure that there is no possibility of corrosion-current in my setups and this is why I always have advanced inorganic chemistry textbooks closeby.the best inorganic textbooks are the old issues from the 1940's, 1950's or 60's where they give lots of lil precious details in their sidenotes that you don't find in modern textbooks.how's the magnesi doing is the current still going?
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I agree 110%, favorite text books are the early ones
I have a visualized chemistry book from the early 40's that is torn ripped and was wet at one time and I wouldn't trade it for any amount of modern textbooks I've seen.
And the same goes for an early electric text book I have. They were basically being thrown out but I grabbed them and started reading them. Then when I picked up some modern books on the same topics, they just couldn't compare. There is so much information that is left out in modern books where in the old ones nothing is taken for granted. And those things that aren't stated can change everything!
My sister in law has a chemistry degree, and one day she was going on about organic this and organic that. So I simply said "how isn't a potato chip organic? If it wasn't on the pericardial table of elements it wouldn't exist! "
She eventually agreed and stopped preaching, however the point is that the old stuff teaches objective though and criticism. Where today "the nail that stands up gets hammered down"
Does your design incorporate a gold-plated cylinder?
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Profitis,
my good sir, I need you to check my math. If you would be so kind? I'm trying to find my average watts per cell to confirm a hypothesisabout the drops in voltage and the spikes and amperage and vice versa
I've been noticing that when the voltage is high the amps are low and when the voltage is low the amps are high, so my hypothesis is that the total Watts never chang threw the cell making the changes redundant. However I would like to know why this is happening and I'll keep changing variables till I isolate the cause, but no the less I think it doesn't matter
I randomly sampled 4 data points of peaks and valleys and their corresponding values
I'll have more over time to widen the sample
.706v. 1.00ma
1.138v .68 MA
1.202v .60 MA
.69m 1.04 ma
I got 729.5 milli watts
I may have moved my decimal wrong and your in put is always appreciated
Jon
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Ah yes jon it is probably due to fluctuation of h2 gas pockets liberation not only from the cathode but also from the anode. Its like a ordinary cell: more current draw equals voltage dive over the IR(internal resistance).less current draw equals less voltage drop over the IR. Trapped/liberated gas pockets causing fluctuations in current draw density. There is a cell that I would like you to build and put on youtube jon and it is quite high-powered and definitely everlasting.are you up for this.it will bring us a bit of fame.we are not going to reveal its inner-working secret to the public just show it powerup something what do you say.
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Well I don't know about any fame but ok let's give it a shot! And no open source? Doesn't that go against this forums ethics. I will because it's your design but I hope when it's done you will reconsider, maybe after you have a paton?
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Oh yeah I almost forgot to post this video for you to check out https://youtu.be/8lBucCP8n1s
I make a candle from vinegar showing how reactive mg is
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I've given enough textbook-teachings away jon so I've done my ethical part. its time to gearup for getting the corporates interested now and this will be part of the plan.since you are a computer boff and are in the biggest firstworld country your in a position to do lots of things that I can't.can you send your email addy to my inbox please jon
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I'm on a phone contract that gives me gigs but not airtime jon so can't open youtube right now.what's the candle doing
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The mg releases the hydrogen bonds in the mild actic acid in the vinegar and to drive the reaction faster I add iodized salt and potassium chloride (no salt), I do this in a glass jar (old salsa jar)then with a cotton twine flash arrestor threw a small hole in the lid I can then light it like a candle.
Got to love chemistry
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Luv it to bits.chemistry is power.I sent u a mail jon hope u got it
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Yup i got it check your email from my reply
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Okdoke
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The cell is showing big signs of Fatigue
.60v .04ma
I heated the cell to roughly 100°f (my thermal laser is not working)
The cell recovered but fell quickly
If this is still the case in another 12 hours I will give the cell 24 to 48 hours rest and reevaluate
This did happen once before I started the load testing and I let it rest and was surprised when it came back just as strong
So we'll see in twelve hours