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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg
all info and comments welcome
thx
Chet
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5000 to see if it works :)
http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/
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Hi everyone,
thanks for posting this ramset.
Nothing can be found on the net to evaluate if it's real. For all I know this could be fake as there's limited information on their site and from the size of the two batteries inside the device it could easily power the low wattage appliances he plugs in. I can also see inside his box what looks to be an Inverter which takes the DC from batteries and converts it to regular 120v / 240v AC.
The brochure says a 15 day return if you are not satisfied but "as long as the device is like new in working order"... so what if it doesn't work when you receive it?
Their site:
http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/ (http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/)
Pdf brochure:
http://www.gdsenergy.mx/SpecSheet/GDS10000.pdf (http://www.gdsenergy.mx/SpecSheet/GDS10000.pdf)
Phone number and address:
1-905-576-4888, 727 Wilson Rd South Oshawa, ON Canada L1H 6E9
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Thanks Ramset
I decided to run a story on it.
http://revolution-green.com/water-powered-generator/
My big question is how long will it run before those big batteries need recharging?
There is no real information on this one, I actually thought it might have been a joke someone was trying to pull.
Mark
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Thanks for the comments and info , and thanks for the number Luc I'll ring them monday and see what they have to say ?
Chet
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Ahhh come on guy's-really ::)
The water will last for 4 day's?-yes,as the water is only for the water cooled fan that is attached to the water tank-evaporative cooling system. You will see that the fan seems to be the only thing attached to the water tank.
There is two inverters in there,1 for the 120v supply(3000 watt) and one for the 240v supply-size unknown.The electric motor is running what?-maybe a circulation pump for the cooling fan that is thermo controlled?-see wires coming from the unit driven by the motor.I see a solenoid that has no wires attached to it,along with other junk to make the unit look so complicated that it must work-right?.
But hey,it has rugged wheel's,and it's green-green is nice.
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Very expensive effort for a fake if it is one.advertising catch?
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Quote from there website.--GDS is a manufacturing company in renewable energy. We have developed a portable water powered generator that creates a large amount of energy to run our portable generators that generate power simply by adding water. Spending money on expensive gasoline is a thing of the past. We have found a way to produce energy by adding clean tap water.
So if you bought one of these machines,and it wasnt powered by water as they clearly state,then a full refund would apply-followed by a lawsuit against them for faulse advertising.
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In other words either very brave fakesters or very brave realsters
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And Richard Willis with his "magnacoaster" wasn't also openly a fraudster?
Even if these guys aren't fraudsters, they obviously are extremely ignorant and have deluded themselves into thinking they have something when in actual fact they don't.
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@poynt..I'm sorry sir.if your not in posession of one we cannot rely on your statement
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Clearly, if either the magnacoaster or the GDS unit actually worked as claimed, we would not be having this discussion. It would be all over the news and everyone would have one. ::)
It's simple common sense.
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Clearly, if either the magnacoaster or the GDS unit actually worked as claimed, we would not be having this discussion. It would be all over the news and everyone would have one. ::)
It's simple common sense.
But it's on Youtube ;)
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@poynt excuse me sir this is completely different.you plug in your toaster here and you get a benefit over plugging direct into batteries.that is the claim
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Reminds me of that spanish company's similar thingy called the 'palladium'
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@poynt excuse me sir this is completely different.you plug in your toaster here and you get a benefit over plugging direct into batteries.that is the claim
Huh ???
Seems to me the claim is that using the GDS device, you can power say a 1kW load for 3 or so days without "fuel" and without charging the batteries.
My estimate is that 2x 100 Ahr batteries could power a 1kW resistive load (through an inverter) for about 3 hours before the batteries are considered 100% depleted. So a simple test of them showing their unit driving a 1kW resistive load (metered to prove the wattage) for 4 or 5 hours would be a very good start.
I've already been in contact with them. If they respond, I will ask if they are willing to do a demo on camera.
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So its a battery efficiency booster of a few hundred percent.this is cool.just like the spanish claim
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I'm responding the the post "if it worked it would be everywhere"
You would think that would be true however the point you have to remember is that, even if I or anyone else comes up with the energy answer and it works every time everywhere flawlessly, the only people who will know are the inverter and his neighbors in yelling distance. Because not everyone will be looking at him at that time.
In other words it has to catch on and be marketed and that is a challenge all by itself
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Well
I really did not expect them to answer the phone on Sunday [here]
however I was a bit surprised that they have not yet setup the answering machine .
of course i will report all relevant info if they answer the phone tomorrow.
thx
Chet
ps
perhaps they will comment here if treated respectfully ??
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Hi everyone,
thanks for posting this ramset.
Nothing can be found on the net to evaluate if it's real. For all I know this could be fake as there's limited information on their site and from the size of the two batteries inside the device it could easily power the low wattage appliances he plugs in. I can also see inside his box what looks to be an Inverter which takes the DC from batteries and converts it to regular 120v / 240v AC.
The brochure says a 15 day return if you are not satisfied but "as long as the device is like new in working order"... so what if it doesn't work when you receive it?
Their site:
http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/ (http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/)
Pdf brochure:
http://www.gdsenergy.mx/SpecSheet/GDS10000.pdf (http://www.gdsenergy.mx/SpecSheet/GDS10000.pdf)
Phone number and address:
1-905-576-4888, 727 Wilson Rd South Oshawa, ON Canada L1H 6E9
That phone number and address also show up as a business offering truck storage.
http://www.kijiji.ca/b-heavy-equipment/oshawa-durham-region/page-11/c301l1700275
heated indoor storage heated indoor storage
Looking to store your equipment indoor and outdoor for the winter. 727 wilson rd south Oshawa 1(905)576-4888 park your trucks and go to work from oshawa
$50.00 08/10/2014
Somebody might want to ask them what the water turns into after the generator extracts energy from it.
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You would think there would need to be some sort of piston based engine (like a converted gas engine) for this to run off water. It doesn't look doable with what is seen in the pics tinman posted. This is also looking familiar to something that came up before where it turned out the pictures of the generators were just photoshopped pics from a gas based Chinese engine - pics even matched the China warehouse. That sound familiar to anyone?
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Water goes into a tank.
The water supposedly fuels an engine.
What does the water supposedly turn into as it gives up energy to run the engine?
The water tank has no visible connection to anything else in the box.
The box contains ordinary 12V batteries and two off the shelf inverters one of which is clearly wired directly to one of the batteries.
The box has at least one motor that spins.
The box is advertised as containing:
5kw/10kW/15kW Turbine Generator
AC Voltage - 110/240
Digital Hour Meter
ON / OFF Switch
They do not say that the box has any current or voltage or power indication.
They say silly things like: "3000 Watts per hour".
Or that a 3000W unit cannot run a single air conditioner, but that a 5000W unit (1.67X capacity) can run three air conditioners.
They do not state consumption rate of the water "fuel".
How much more does anyone need to know about this to know the claims are BS?
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Perhaps send out a call to Canadians who are close to Toronto before you light the torches
Mark E.
Maybe summon Captain Zero....[I believe he is close to Toronto]
A 10,000 rpm "Turbine" was mentioned ,it runs 4 days on 4 gallons of water, the unit in the Vid does not look like anybody is cutting and pasting anything ?
Also They don't seem timid about showing the inside works ?
Chet
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I would volunteer to go test the unit with my portable 1500 watt heater... but since I'm in Ottawa which is a 4 and half hour drive each way to Toronto and also leaving the country on Saturday November 1st I don't think I'll have time.
Lets see what they say when called on Monday
Luc
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Probably some sort electric-to- electrolysis-to-electric conversion efficiency thing going on here.
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Chet,
Ask them if they are willing to video a 4 hour test powering a metered 1kW load.
I've not yet received a response from them to my email, imagine that.
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Poynt
I will see what they will agree to pryor to a purchase?
thx
Chet
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Quote:
" Maybe summon Captain Zero....[I believe he is close to Toronto] "
Sorry Chet, am in the Witless Protection Program, and moved from NB to BC back in 2011.
If anyone buys one and it turns out to be a hoax, I need a new wood box for the garage.
Regards...
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Like others have said, I am smelling Richard Willis here. The guy in the clip could be somebody that Richard met in some low-life bar. Richard plus the new guy and between the two of them you probably total a grade 10 education, barely passing remedial grade 9 English.
It's just a "100% money up front" con. I am tempted to look at the Royal Canadian Mounted Police web site.
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Probably some sort electric-to- electrolysis-to-electric conversion efficiency thing going on here.
Yes it has been used many times known as Solar Collective Amplitude Management. SCAM for short lol
Mark
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Perhaps send out a call to Canadians who are close to Toronto before you light the torches
Mark E.
Maybe summon Captain Zero....[I believe he is close to Toronto]
A 10,000 rpm "Turbine" was mentioned ,it runs 4 days on 4 gallons of water, the unit in the Vid does not look like anybody is cutting and pasting anything ?
Also They don't seem timid about showing the inside works ?
Chet
A bald faced liar is still a liar. Again: The machine contains no visible connection between the water tank and the internal workings but a direct connection between the lead acid batteries and the inverter.
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A bald faced liar is still a liar. Again: The machine contains no visible connection between the water tank and the internal workings but a direct connection between the lead acid batteries and the inverter.
It would seem that it may be a 3 phase pelton generator that is mounted to the side of the tank.There also seems to be a pump mounted in front of the motor thats driving who knows what.
These images compliments of Groundloop from OUR.
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We also get a quick glimp's of what may be the pelton wheel in the water tank.
Surely this setup didnt have any merrit :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LckOcHJ7r8Y
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Thank you Groundloop for the excellent detective work ;)
Luc
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Here is the link to buy the Pelton Generator for $211. on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-Home-Power-Water-PMA-Generator-and-Pelton-Wheel-1000-3000-Watts-12-36-VDC-/191154591960 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-Home-Power-Water-PMA-Generator-and-Pelton-Wheel-1000-3000-Watts-12-36-VDC-/191154591960)
My guess is the 2000w inverter is powering the dark grey AC motor which is attached by v-belt / pulley to the silver permanent magnet generator
which is worth about $460. on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Freedom-II-PMG-12-24-volt-permanent-magnet-alternator-generator-4-wind-turbine-/291164191208? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Freedom-II-PMG-12-24-volt-permanent-magnet-alternator-generator-4-wind-turbine-/291164191208?)
My next guess is the other long silver 3000 watt inverter powers the AC output receptacles and maybe other single black AC motor which is possibly an off the shelf stripped AC pressure washer pump to spin the Pelton Generator at high speed.
Here are the batteries Pdf Datasheet
http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/datasheets/31GEL_Trojan_Data_Sheets.pdf (http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/datasheets/31GEL_Trojan_Data_Sheets.pdf)
Luc
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Oh Oh...there may be some face egg involved in this lynching yet...it might be so simple you'd laugh.
'Well boys, put the rope back in the buckboard and blow out the torches, restraint and reason just left the Sherrif's office and the three of 'em are headed over this way.'
Regards...
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Thx anyway Cap
TinMan
This is the second time James Hardy's pump has come up in the last few weeks
That would be quite a surprise ....however why would they need to keep adding water ?
@ All ,thanks for the helpful comments.
We'll know soon enough.
Chet
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I would have certainly volunteered my services if the invention had been located near me Chet.
If the generator doesn't work, it might make a great bong tho.
Regards...
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why would they need to keep adding water ?
@ All ,thanks for the helpful comments.
We'll know soon enough.
Chet
I would guess the water tank would loose a little water if it keeps being recirculated by the electric pressure washer pump.
Have another look at my post above as I kept adding stuff
Luc
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But what is the second battery for ???. Seems the light gauge wire go's to what looks like load resistors.Only one battery is conected to the inverter,and i dont see a conection to the second inverter(2000 watt blue one),or is this a charge controller?.
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I have a correction to my above post ::)
The dark gray motor that turns the silver permanent magnet generator is powered by the right side battery through the yellow shielded wire.
So basically that dark gray motor is a 12vdc motor.
Another possibility is they are using the silver permanent magnet generator as a motor and the dark gray motor as a generator :P
Luc
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" Is there any maintenance policy?
Yes every 3 months drain water tank and spray with garden hose." -- http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/FAQ.html
I imagine somewhere in some fine print it further stipulates that the spraying of the hose must be continuous and for up to several hours, perhaps to 'ensure it's clean' or something...
So, what they have is a water-powered electrical generator and storage device that, as their flashy video intro points out, would be handy to have during a storm or whatnot. In most places (that this device is marketed to) does not the water stay on and with pressure long after power has gone out? I imagine they've got a lawyer who's figured out exactly what they can get away with putting in/leaving out to make it seem to be something more incredible... so, sadly, I'd hold off on any calls to the RCMP.
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Looking at all the wires coming out of the Pelton generator and the silver permanent magnet generator they both go to the same kind
of contact switches which look to be grouped to the heavy Red positive wire going back to the left battery.
Looking at the dark front Inverter it seems its AC output goes into the front electrical box for the120vac plugs and possibly the rear
silver inverter powers the 220vac plug. Both inverters seem to be connected to the left battery.
I guess then the dark gray motor turning the silver PMG is fed by the right battery but nothing else seems to be connected to it so it has no recharge capability as it is.
Also, from the looks of the way that yellow wire shielding was stripped and connected, it looks like a last minute change :P
I think that's all from me for tonight
Luc
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Also, this cracks me up:
" Do I need to connect a garden hose or some sort of water to the generator when running?
No just fill up the tank when you receive your unit and it has a gage on the tank." --http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/FAQ.html
They rigged that 'gage' up, yep. It works nicely and is accurate too! (Floating Device of integral importance to the whole machine also prominently shown.)
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Looking at all the wires coming out of the Pelton generator and the silver permanent magnet generator they both go to the same kind
of contact switches which look to be grouped to the heavy Red positive wire going back to the left battery.
Looking at the dark front Inverter it seems its AC output goes into the front electrical box for the120vac plugs and possibly the rear
silver inverter powers the 220vac plug. Both inverters seem to be connected to the left battery.
I guess then the dark gray motor turning the silver PMG is fed by the right battery but nothing else seems to be connected to it so it has no recharge capability as it is.
Also, from the looks of the way that yellow wire shielding was stripped and connected, it looks like a last minute change :P
I think that's all from me for tonight
Luc
Luc
I think the PMA may have something to do with the AC supply ,as the motor driving it seems to be the only thing going through the emergency cut off switch.The black wire from that same motor that is driving the PMA seems to go over to the solenoid/load dump resistor's. Could it be that when the emergency cut off switch is hit,the power is disconected from the inverters(12volts),and the power still being generated from the PMA and pelton generator until they wind down,is sent to the load dump resistor's?.The solenoid may be being used as a ground state switch-hence the negative wire from the battery,to the solenoid,then from the solenoid to the motor driving the PMA. Once the emergency cutoff switch is hit,and the circuit becomes open,then the solenoid would also become open,disconecting the inverters from the battery,while redirecting the wind down power to the load dump resistors. I think the load dump resistors are only a safty feature.
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This has got to be a joke. And a poor one at that. Any kid in a highschool shop class could do a better job. The wire connections: just twisted around terminals. The two huge batteries are of course necessary for any electrical OU device... but where are the DMMs and the colored clipleads? Can't have OU without colored clipleads and DMMs.
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Supposedly a Patrick Flanagan bought a unit.
Would it be this guy?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Flanagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Flanagan)
Flanagan has written books focused on Egyptian sacred geometry and Pyramidology. He holds several patents as an inventor. He is also known for developing a method of drawing the geometrically complicated Sri Yantra. ... During the 1970s, Flanagan was a proponent of pyramid power.[6] He wrote several books and promoted it with lectures and seminars.[7] According to Flanagan, pyramids with the exact relative dimensions of Egyptian pyramids act as "an effective resonator of randomly polarized microwave signals which can be converted into electrical energy.
So, how long can the delivery be delayed? A looooong time.
Note that they get a significant victory anyway. Just the fact that someone has "bought" a unit could make some borderline gullibles flip. 5 x $2500 = $12,500.
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As the self-proclaimed reincarnation of Nikola Tesla, why doesn't Patrick Flanagan already have one of these of his own design?
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Sigh...
well i just hung up with Mr.Potter ,seems he is quite overwhelmed with the response and is scrambling to get his International patents sorted before shipment ,which is Dec 15 [only Canadian patents in place]
He sold 10 on Paypal link before he caught wind of it and now holding off on orders until product is in house,also He will Not except payment until product is ready for delivery
He said some Turkey posted the Product on three separate energy forums over the weekend and his life went from famine to feast...I did not mention my association with said Fowl ...Yet 8)
He is quite confident and sincere ,a truly nice fellow looking to play a bit of catch up ATM.more info to come ,I have to make a Dr.s visit/app't
Chet
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These people who claim to be "reincarnations" of Tesla, and/or who claim to understand his work or to have improved theoretical understandings of Tesla-inspired systems, cannot hold a candle to the _real_ modern-day proponents of the heritage of Tesla's knowledge and work: the Corum brothers.
http://www.teslasociety.com/corum.htm
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Sigh...[/size]well i just hung up with Mr.Potter ,seems he is quite overwhelmed with the response and is scrambling to get his International patents sorted before shipment ,which is Dec 15 [only Canadian patents in place]He sold 10 on Paypal link before he caught wind of it and now holding off on orders until product is in house,also He will Not except payment until product is ready for deliveryHe said some Turkey posted the Product on three separate energy forums over the weekend and his life went from famine to feast...I did not mention my association with said Fowl ...Yet 8) He is quite confident and sincere ,a truly nice fellow looking to play a bit of catch up ATM.more info to come ,I have to make a Dr.s visit/app'tChet
What are the numbers of the Canadian patents, and are they granted patents or merely applications?
How does he deal with the issue of Canadian CSA certification ?
Just what does he really mean by "3000 watts per hour"? Why are we being asked to trust someone who cannot even get his units of power and energy right?
ETA: At least his address is actually in an industrial area. Looks like there is a lot of tire-recycling going on nearby his heated vehicle storage business.
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Sigh...
well i just hung up with Mr.Potter ,seems he is quite overwhelmed with the response and is scrambling to get his International patents sorted before shipment ,which is Dec 15 [only Canadian patents in place]
He sold 10 on Paypal link before he caught wind of it and now holding off on orders until product is in house,also He will Not except payment until product is ready for delivery
He said some Turkey posted the Product on three separate energy forums over the weekend and his life went from famine to feast...I did not mention my association with said Fowl ...Yet 8)
He is quite confident and sincere ,a truly nice fellow looking to play a bit of catch up ATM.more info to come ,I have to make a Dr.s visit/app't
Chet
Did you ask him if his prototype actually _worked as claimed_ ? From the sound of things, and the images of the device, I am guessing that it is another case of "I know it will work, just a few more little things to iron out, for some reason it quits after 3 hours but that's just an engineering issue, and we should be ready to ship working models in a couple of months."
I have been looking for someone who will do a site visit. I know a few people in and around Toronto yet and hopefully one or more of them will be curious enough to waste, er, spend an afternoon checking it out.
If he has accepted money for any unit, but it doesn't work _as claimed_ at the time he accepted the money, he is putting himself in a tricky legal situation. And if he is selling some kind of electrical device that has not passed Canadian CSA certification... ditto.
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Fantasy or fiction the thing has already gone global http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_.html
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The Pelton-wheel generator inside the tank can't do anything unless there is _water flowing_, turning the Pelton wheel. This is obvious, isn't it? So where does the water flow come from to turn the Pelton wheel? The rest of the thing might actually work, as long as a strong water flow is driving the Pelton-wheel generator. Without something turning the generator though... then what?
Patent numbers, please.
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Fantasy or fiction the thing has already gone global http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_.html (http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_.html)
Four hundred units per month.
Come on, get real.
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Sigh...
well i just hung up with Mr.Potter ,seems he is quite overwhelmed with the response and is scrambling to get his International patents sorted before shipment ,which is Dec 15 [only Canadian patents in place]
He sold 10 on Paypal link before he caught wind of it and now holding off on orders until product is in house,also He will Not except payment until product is ready for delivery
He said some Turkey posted the Product on three separate energy forums over the weekend and his life went from famine to feast...I did not mention my association with said Fowl ...Yet 8)
He is quite confident and sincere ,a truly nice fellow looking to play a bit of catch up ATM.more info to come ,I have to make a Dr.s visit/app't
Chet
Sigh indeed. If you are going to assume the role of the "follow-up guy" then you have to follow through all the way. Your big problem is that when these things go sour you clam up and say nothing and leave people hanging. That happened with the spoon/resonance water heater guy. He was supposed to make a film and offer real proof that his gizmo worked. You were following up and then you clammed up and went silent. Then you were supposed to get the "real deal" from Bill Alek but you clammed up and went silent.
Now you are following this guy. You just revealed that he has already taken in $25,000 (if the guy is actually telling the truth). This is just another con job, a stupid piece of junk that will never be delivered to anybody. He spent about $1000 on a prop, made a clip and put it on YouTube, and now he has $25,000 sitting in his PayPal account. Sounds like a pretty good deal already and he is playing you like a fiddle. Then of course he will play Sterling Allen like a fiddle also and laugh his way to the bank.
You might not like these words Chet but that's what's going down as far as I can see. Your challenge will be to follow-through and not go dark. So, when the first deliveries get pushed out to January, then February, then March and beyond, you should be telling us that by posting on this thread. When the guy stops answering emails, and the web site goes offline, and when the cell phone number gets disconnected, you should be posting that in this thread.
You think that you are acting in good faith supporting some guy that has totally world-changing technology that will revolutionize everything, but you are not. You are helping this guy pick other people's pockets by being the "follow-up guy." So you are not so altruistic when you put things in that context.
Again, the challenge is for you to tell the truth, and that means telling the good and telling the bad. It all sounds "good" to your ears right now. But when nothing gets delivered and you start getting that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach, will you tell us the bad? If you want to be real and credible you have to tell the good and the bad the moment you volunteer to take on this role to be the "follow-up guy."
MileHigh
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Luc
I think the PMA may have something to do with the AC supply ,as the motor driving it seems to be the only thing going through the emergency cut off switch.The black wire from that same motor that is driving the PMA seems to go over to the solenoid/load dump resistor's. Could it be that when the emergency cut off switch is hit,the power is disconected from the inverters(12volts),and the power still being generated from the PMA and pelton generator until they wind down,is sent to the load dump resistor's?.The solenoid may be being used as a ground state switch-hence the negative wire from the battery,to the solenoid,then from the solenoid to the motor driving the PMA. Once the emergency cutoff switch is hit,and the circuit becomes open,then the solenoid would also become open,disconecting the inverters from the battery,while redirecting the wind down power to the load dump resistors. I think the load dump resistors are only a safty feature.
I don't know Brad? the one thing I can see is they demoed a device that is not completely wired up and fully operating.
Obviously they didn't operate the Pelton generator in the video but we can see it has been tried, since when he lifts the water tank cover it's all wet in there.
From the phone conversation Chet reported, it looks like they are not ready and that can be seen from the inside their device.
Luc
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Sigh...
well i just hung up with Mr.Potter ,seems he is quite overwhelmed with the response and is scrambling to get his International patents sorted before shipment ,which is Dec 15 [only Canadian patents in place]
He sold 10 on Paypal link before he caught wind of it and now holding off on orders until product is in house,also He will Not except payment until product is ready for delivery
He said some Turkey posted the Product on three separate energy forums over the weekend and his life went from famine to feast...I did not mention my association with said Fowl ...Yet 8)
He is quite confident and sincere ,a truly nice fellow looking to play a bit of catch up ATM.more info to come ,I have to make a Dr.s visit/app't
Chet
I am sorry, but the BS meter is off the chart. The PCT patent window slams shut the moment a product is advertised. He cannot obtain any patent based on any application filed since he began advertising. If he had a patent lawyer and were filing patents, he would know that.
A confidence artist has to sound sincere.
Any substance, water included is not fuel unless it is converted into something else in the process of yielding energy.
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Fantasy or fiction the thing has already gone global http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_.html (http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_.html)
Four hundred units per month.
Come on, get real.
He has now taken down that add
Luc
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The pictures of the "models" are really hilarious. Some PhotoShop color replacement, and the yellowgreen 5000 W unit becomes an orange 10000 W unit, and then a purple 15000 W unit. All identical, the very same picture.
He does not have working prototypes of any of these units.
Patent numbers, please.
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He has now taken down that add
Luc
The image below was taken just now:
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"Comments disabled" on the YT video. Where have we seen that before?
Patent numbers, please.
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The image below was taken just now:
I found the same add last night but it's no longer there. Do a refresh and it should be gone.
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I found the same add last night but it's no longer there. Do a refresh and it should be gone.
http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_.html (http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_.html)
What do you see when you use that exact URL? It comes up with the same ad for me, on multiple different browsers.
PATENT NUMBERS, PLEASE..... (sound of crickets chirping....)
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http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_.html (http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_.html)
What do you see when you use that exact URL? It comes up with the same ad for me, on multiple different browsers.
PATENT NUMBERS, PLEASE..... (sound of crickets chirping....)
See attached screen shot I get when I click the link in my browser
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Gotoluc allow scripts.
It gets funnier. Here is the product detail information from alibaba http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/Portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_/productdetail.html
Portable water generator (runs on water)
Quick Details
Place of Origin: Ontario Canada
Brand Name: GDS
Model Number: GDS5000
Type: Generator
Electricity Generator Type: runs on water
Output Voltage (V): 110
GDS5000: 5360
Packaging & Delivery
Packaging Detail: Foam with Cardboard
Delivery Detail: 31 Days
Specifications
Portable water generator that runs on water,copper coils and magnets.creates 5000 watts of electricity per hour.
GDS5000 which produces 5000 watts of power for light duty. Use for your house, cottage or small construction project. Emergency back-up power, concerts, camping, motor home. This unit is also 50% less noisey than traditional generator so you can use indoors with NO Fumes and NO Pollution and it's a great way of saving energy cost and helping the environment.
How does it work?
When you receive your new portable water generator just add 4 gallons of normal water in the tank and turn the red toggle switch to on position (emergency safety) that will start the battery and pump and turbine all at once, it's that easy. All units have been tested before leaving our facility.
Instruction and warranty manuals will be supplied with every unit sold.
How do I know which unit I need?
Simple, on ever electrical product that is made, there is a sticker and it will show how many watts per hour it uses then total all the watts together, that will tell you how many watts you are using and will help you decide which unit best works for your needs.
SPECIFICATIONS
Product Series GDS5000
AC Voltage 110/240
AC Frequency 50/60 hz
Energy Type Turbine Generator 5kw
Generator Coils and Magnets
Start method Battery
Ground On Frame
Water Gauge On Tank
Digital Hour meter with volt/amp meter
Start Switch Type On/Off
Handle Style Single Folding/Locking
1 1⁄4 Steel Frame Strength and Durability
Emergency Stop Button Yes
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And when I follow the link on PESN I see this:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-water-generator-runs-on-water-_50002273662.html (http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-water-generator-runs-on-water-_50002273662.html)
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See attached screen shot I get when I click the link in my browser
Weird. But you can see that your browser isn't loading the right link, in the location bar.
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See attached screen shot I get when I click the link in my browser
Maybe your ISP is protecting you from clearly fraudulent advertisements.
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Weird. But you can see that your browser isn't loading the right link, in the location bar.
Yes, that's right
Here is the correct link: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-water-generator-runs-on-water-_50002273662.html (http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-water-generator-runs-on-water-_50002273662.html)
EDIT, no it still redirects!... must be my browser script thing?
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Yes, that's right
Here is the correct link: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-water-generator-runs-on-water-_50002273662.html (http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-water-generator-runs-on-water-_50002273662.html)
EDIT no still redirects!
Apparently others aren't having this problem. Did you try the link from PESN?
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Apparently others aren't having this problem. Did you try the link from PESN?
It's not a big deal, I can get to the page if I copy the link and past it in the address bar but if I click on the link it re-directs
Thanks for your help and sorry for the problem
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Yes, that's right
Here is the correct link: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-water-generator-runs-on-water-_50002273662.html (http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-water-generator-runs-on-water-_50002273662.html)
EDIT, no it still redirects!... must be my browser script thing?
I am using NoScript and generally block all scripts except on trusted sites like this forum. AliBaba scripts are blocked, AliUnicorn scripts are blocked, and all lower-level scripts called from the page are blocked.
Try clearing your browser and DNS caches.
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If i use IE,i see what Luc see's,if i use firefox,i see the add that TK see's.
@TK
The pelton wheel is powered by the water pump at the bottom corner of the water tank.
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Gotoluc allow scripts.
Don't know what browser you use but In newer versions of firefox the option to allow or stop scripts has been removed.
But lets forget about it so not to clutter this topic any more
Luc
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I use FF 32 with the no script add on.
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I use FF 32 with the no script add on.
Okay, I added no script add on to firefox and the links are now working
thanks
Luc
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If i use IE,i see what Luc see's,if i use firefox,i see the add that TK see's.
@TK
The pelton wheel is powered by the water pump at the bottom corner of the water tank.
That's hilarious, completely hilarious. He combines several lossy systems in series and magically attains OU.
Pelton wheel: up to 92 percent efficiency for the most modern sophisticated designs.
PMA: up to 90 percent efficiency.
Motor driving water pump: perhaps 85-90 percent efficiency.
Water pump hydraulic efficiency: perhaps 90 percent for the very best designs.
0.92 x 0.90 x 0.90 x 0.90 = about 67 percent throughput efficiency. Where is the OU magic coming from?
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Tinsel
I know you have done hundreds of similar experiments ,,,
No?,,,well dozens maybe......
Ohhh.... a couple......?
No...?
Not even One ??
Oh I see, To smart for that kinda stuff.
I'm running around seeing doctors today ...
I spoke With Mr.Potter this AM will post more here and elsewhere Later.
thx
Chetkremens@gmail.com
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Tinsel
I know you have done hundreds of similar experiments ,,,
No?,,,well dozens maybe......
Ohhh.... a couple......?
No...?
Not even One ??
Oh I see, To smart for that kinda stuff.
I'm running around seeing doctors today ...
I spoke With Mr.Potter this AM will post more here and elsewhere Later.
thx
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Do you seriously think I report _all_ of my work here? Yes, I have made Pelton turbines, gnawed them out of aluminum or plastic with my own little teeth. Yes, I have worked with commercially available Pelton wheels like the one attached to the PMA. Yes, I have connected them to generators and even directly to pumps. Please do not forget that I was actually gainfully employed, full time, doing work researching devices like this one, in Canada, for around ten years. Very little of that work has been reported here, of course, since I was under NDA.
Now... You? Ever worked with a Pelton turbine driving a genset driving a motor driving a water pump?
Good luck with the doctors.
PATENT NUMBERS PLEASE.....
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Thanks for people pointing things out in the pictures. I wouldn't worry about fit and finish problems
because these seems are prototypes.
It does looks as though this may be several different OU ideas implemented at the same time. One thing
I had thought about is perhaps he is direct heating the water in the tank then steam+HHO would come out
the hole in the tank above the Fan, a jet nozzle on a stopper might fill the hole and point towards the 'fan' now
turbine. I can't see why a pump Pelton wheel pump combo would leak that much water over that short of time.
Also the tank rinsing instruction wouldn't make sense. Sometimes thieves do not understand the technology
sufficiently so they use the first working structure they come upon. They can't optimize results sufficiently.
It looks to me like this is a *Qmogen* operating on hardware meant to be a wind (small scale hydro)
energy set up. So this appears to be a dual coil PMA permanent magnet alternator with a dump load
battery controller with its large power dissipation resistors. If he has done it this way that is
pretty good actually, in that the unit will have stable electrical load dynamics characteristics
of standalone a wind generator energy system. The brush type DC electrical motor can follow the
external l electrical load at it's leisure.
As someone already mention;
I see *no* HHO electrolyzer, gas washer, electrolyte controller, flashback suppressor.
I see *no* combustion engine and no combustion heat path.
You know, This might not be too hard to do.
Use an existing generator support stand I'll bet he got his tank as a diesel fueled
generator fuel tank. And a small scale standalone wind generator dual core PMA
Alternator setup.
Added: Water heated by cavitation?!?
Actually him taking down advertisements is *highly* negative.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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I can't see where they actually claim any OU or even mention anything about efficiency at all. They leave an appallingly large amount of info out of their presentation, but the little bits that they do mention are technically all true, no?
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No the technical claims they make are not all true.
Their device is not powered by water. It is powered by the stored energy in the batteries.
It is a clumsily assembled battery in a box scam.
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Yep, gotta agree with the naysayers on this one. SCAM. I can't see any way this can produce the power claimed continuously on a little bit of water. I saw the guy said he got 10 orders already. So if they paid with PayPal (they have a PayPal button on the gensets) and he's got $50,000 or so in the PayPal account that would be a nice haul if he is able to transfer it to his bank and then close his account. Fortunately PayPal won't normally allow sudden large inflows of money to be taken out of the PayPal account. But consider they state something like 32 day delivery time .... I see a possibility this could leave a big hole in 10 wallets.
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The Pelton-wheel generator inside the tank can't do anything unless there is _water flowing_, turning the Pelton wheel. This is obvious, isn't it? So where does the water flow come from to turn the Pelton wheel? The rest of the thing might actually work, as long as a strong water flow is driving the Pelton-wheel generator. Without something turning the generator though... then what?
Patent numbers, please.
I don't know if this answers that question to any degree but thought Id post it anyway... from their FAQ: http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/FAQ.html I THOUGHT YOU NEED A RUNNING STREAM OR A POND OR RIVER TO CREATE THIS AMOUNT OF ENERGY? (http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/FAQ.html#)[/color][/font]
Yes you are correct however with the setup of many coils and magnets make up for the amount of energy required for each application.
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But would not water being sprayed by a hose to turn the Pelton turbine and generate electricity to be stored in those batteries be considered "water-powered?" They just leave out the part where the water needs to be moving.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's morally a complete sham. It looks like, based on all dissection done here, a home hydroelectric kit that runs a gizmo (the water pump) during operation for no other reason than to have the illusion that it's doing something. Shamefully low-down and dirty, considering how many might fall for it.
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Let's do a hypothetical plot of common sense for the population on a Bell curve. I am assuming that people know what a "Normal Distribution" is, a.k.a.; a "Bell curve." If you don't know what a Bell curve is, then you should. For those that don't, just do the searches and educate yourselves.
You can say, for the sake of argument, that the inverse of common sense is gullibility. So a plot of the common sense distribution for the population is also a plot for the gullibility of the population. Please see the attached drawing.
You can see how at the left extreme of the Bell curve for common sense, there is an area labeled, "people that will believe almost anything."
It's those people that GDS is making their pitch to. Supposing the "people that will believe almost anything" group is one in one thousand people. So if GDS can reach out and market their pitch to 20,000 people, then they stand a decent chance of getting 20 orders on the books with a 50% down payment. That would be $50,000 in their PayPal account.
That's the real reason this "battery in a box scam" exists and is being promoted.
MileHigh
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But would not water being sprayed by a hose to turn the Pelton turbine and generate electricity to be stored in those batteries be considered "water-powered?" They just leave out the part where the water needs to be moving.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's morally a complete sham. It looks like, based on all dissection done here, a home hydroelectric kit that runs a gizmo (the water pump) during operation for no other reason than to have the illusion that it's doing something. Shamefully low-down and dirty, considering how many might fall for it.
Well, then follow through and figure out what kind of flow and pressure drop amounts to the at least 5000W in required to generate 5000W out at 100% efficiency. A simple visual is that 5000W is 6.7HP. If you don't have a feel for what a 7 HP motor looks like, then consider:
5000W = 5000 J/s = 5000N*m/s = 5000Pa*m3/s, or ~26.6 cuft/s*psi or ~1590 cuft/min*psi. This corresponds to a pressure drop of 40psi and a flow of about 300gpm.
Does anyone believe that the little turbine in that tank is churning out anything close to 300gpm with a 40psi drop for the small 5kW model or three times that for the 15kW unit? Would not 300gpm water leaving the machine constitute a rather healthy "exhaust" volume? It would fill an average swimming pool in less than two hours.
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Perhaps I am not the smartest person in the room but the 2 large batteries and the DC to AC inverter should be a hint to anyone on how this works.
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MarkE,
You're absolutely right. I just don't see anywhere they've claimed that it's in any way an efficient contraption, or overunity, or anything but that if you fill it with water, it will 'run.' And wouldn't this be true? Even if it's just with a garden hose through a nozzle that spins that turbine for ten minutes while the really sweet gauge does its thing... wouldn't that give enough charge to a battery (that I assume is shipped with full charge to begin with) for it to run, even if only for a short time? I'm just saying that it looks like they've payed close attention to the wording so that, though it sounds like they're claiming it's capable of doing much more, they stop short of making any false claims.
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No, I think they are way over the fraud line because: They advertise that the device is a generator without stating any limitations on duty cycle. They advertise that it has no exhaust. They also state that hooking it up to a hose is optional.
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Good points! Hopefully the authorities become aware of it and they can shut it down. It'd be nice to see them not get away with it.
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Tinsel
Thanks,
regarding Patent Numbers ,I did not ask .
I actually felt bad for Mr.Potter ,some Jerk posted his device on 3 different "energy" forums
this weekend and then people started Buying it on Paypal.... :'(
After seeing Groundloops close up pics and comments at OUR as well as Luc's , Brad's and other comments here,The MO is self evident,i felt no need to pry any further [He knocked me onto my heels with the three forum comment ]
However I did feel the need to ask some duty cycle questions ,run times and design load questions [perhaps redundant but....?]
Ok
Mr.Potter sounds like a very genuine and sincere fellow that perhaps has gotten in a bit over his head with
just what his market will be,he received 1500 Emails on Sunday and spent the entire day hosting phone calls...
I'll be brief
No it does not run on the garden hose
the 5000 watt unit actually makes 7435 watts, the excess runs the water pump and ancillary systems
yes it does run at design load 100% duty cycle for periods of 12 hrs nonstop
then must be cooled down for a few hours and run again up to another 12 hour cycle ,He stated components can
be upgraded to extend this cycle time, however that would most likely raise the price
and is probably going to happen down the road.
He has a factory on a building schedule with delivery dates on or about Dec 15 2014
As mentioned he is excepting NO money upfront.
there were persons over the weekend that jumped on his Paypal 'Buy it know link"
he is remedying that with those folks.
He stated that the machine is 100% money back guaranteed as advertised .
you can pick one up when he gets them in stock [no present inventory for sale]
I did mention his International patent issues [meeting with "that" lawyer this week]
presently only Canadian patents,as I said I did not ask for the specific patent info.
In summary we have no request for money up front, a 100% guarantee on "performs as advertised"
a running working prototype which performs "as advertised" ...
and no issues whatsoever with testing or demonstrating once product arrives from factory.
also noted by others here alibaba seems to be running with this outside of The US ??
This is not an open source project ,this is a business man looking to sell units
I will probably not be calling Mr.Potter again, we don't do business here nor will
we be needed for "proof" claims [so it seems at this point]
However I do know some fellows that will be exploring the open source work previously associated with very similar claims in years past 8)
respectfully
Chet
PS
I will not be participating in any crystal ball anonymous scam claim nonsense .
my crystal ball is in the shop for repairs and this fellow is making every move possible to
Deliver as promised.
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the 5000 watt unit actually makes 7435 watts, the excess runs the water pump and ancillary systems
yes it does run at design load 100% duty cycle for periods of 12 hrs nonstop then must be cooled down for a few hours and run again up to another 12 hour cycle ,He stated components can be upgraded to extend this cycle time, however that would most likely raise the price
and is probably going to happen down the road.
I am guessing that after 12 hours the batteries go flat. At that point you need to charge batteries. The components that need to be upgraded to make it run longer are more batteries.
Btw on one of their many websites they say this cryptic response to the question of over unity. http://www.gdsystems.net/Services.html
2. Are the Energy Systems positive (over unity) energy systems?
The energy systems are not positive energy systems. Rather, they use the natural properties of air and water along with the magnetic forces to harness one of the largest energy sources in the universe. Solar, Wind and Hydro are not positive energy systems either, but, they too harness natural energy forces just like the GDS energy systems. The difference is the those other technologies are not as efficient as the technology used by GDS systems.
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In other words the product is infact intended to go global asap.we have to keep an eye open for the first unit sold.
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Chet:
So I take it that you agree that this is a scam? I think that is what I am hearing from you in your posting.
The pdf on the Canadian web site says nothing about payment.
The pdf on the Mexican web site says:
PAYMENT METHOD
To keep cost down on our products we do not take Visa/Master Card. A 50% deposit is due
when placing an order and 50% due before delivery. Unless stock is available 100% payment
when ordering.
Back to your report on the phone call:
I'll be brief
No it does not run on the garden hose
the 5000 watt unit actually makes 7435 watts, the excess runs the water pump and ancillary systems
yes it does run at design load 100% duty cycle for periods of 12 hrs nonstop
then must be cooled down for a few hours and run again up to another 12 hour cycle ,He stated components can
be upgraded to extend this cycle time, however that would most likely raise the price
and is probably going to happen down the road.
You can tell just by looking at the thing that if it actually worked it would reach thermal equilibrium in maximum one hour. So it is completely nonsensical to state that it can run for 12 hours straight, and then needs a "cool down" period. Complete and total bunk.
This is not an open source project ,this is a business man looking to sell units.
Assuming that you do believe that it is a scam because you won't speak to him anymore and you "got the message" from here and from other forums, how can you even state what you stated above? He's a low life criminal.
This goes back to the same thing I posted to you earlier today: If you want to be the "follow-up guy" then it is your duty to report the good and the bad when it comes to things like this. If you take on that responsibility then you have to take on all the responsibility.
MileHigh
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MH
I have never ever inferred in any way any where that I feel this is a scam
EVER
Never
NO
Also I have never ever encouraged anyone to Play with or use spoons in anyway, anywhere other then their intended utilitarian design function.
EVER !!!
As I have told you many times before The Dr, Savic Sonic Boiler project is on Hold
results were Overunity but not without electrolyte and not outside of error margins.
respectfully
Chet
PS
Please stay on topic.
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Tinsel
Thanks,
regarding Patent Numbers ,I did not ask .
Why not? If they exist then it would make for important tangible evidence good or bad depending on whether the numbers check out and what's in the applications. Why avoid seeking important verifiable information?
I actually felt bad for Mr.Potter ,some Jerk posted his device on 3 different "energy" forums
this weekend and then people started Buying it on Paypal.... :'(
Buyers didn't set-up his accounts, he / his company did.
After seeing Groundloops close up pics and comments at OUR as well as Luc's , Brad's and other comments here,The MO is self evident,i felt no need to pry any further [He knocked me onto my heels with the three forum comment ]
It's obviously a battery in a box.
However I did feel the need to ask some duty cycle questions ,run times and design load questions [perhaps redundant but....?]
Ok
Mr.Potter sounds like a very genuine and sincere fellow that perhaps has gotten in a bit over his head with
just what his market will be,he received 1500 Emails on Sunday and spent the entire day hosting phone calls...
I'll be brief
No it does not run on the garden hose
No it couldn't since they say a continuous connection to a water supply is optional.the 5000 watt unit actually makes 7435 watts, the excess runs the water pump and ancillary systems
No it does not. There is not 7kW of power converter in the box.yes it does run at design load 100% duty cycle for periods of 12 hrs nonstop
No it does not. There is not 60kWh = ~216MJ ~1.9 USG gasoline equivalent stored in that box.then must be cooled down for a few hours and run again up to another 12 hour cycle ,
Sure, if by 'cooled down' he means recharge the depleted batteries. He stated components can
be upgraded to extend this cycle time, however that would most likely raise the price
and is probably going to happen down the road.
This is another tell of the total BS that this guy is trying to sell. In the same box that he claims to offer 5kW for 12 hours, IE 60kWh he claims to offer 15kW for 12 hours = 180kWh, enough to run 5kW for 36 hours. Scammers who are too stupid to tell a consistent story are easy to expose.
He has a factory on a building schedule with delivery dates on or about Dec 15 2014
As mentioned he is excepting NO money upfront.
Except that he told you his paypal is live and took money.there were persons over the weekend that jumped on his Paypal 'Buy it know link"
he is remedying that with those folks.
Richard Willis style?
He stated that the machine is 100% money back guaranteed as advertised .
you can pick one up when he gets them in stock [no present inventory for sale]
Except that he stated on Ali Express that he has 400 in stock. Which is the lie? One the other or both?
I did mention his International patent issues [meeting with "that" lawyer this week]
presently only Canadian patents,as I said I did not ask for the specific patent info.
He began advertising in September. If there were something useful to patent, outside the USA and Canada that ship sailed when he first advertised. But since this is yet another battery in a box, there is nothing to patent.
In summary we have no request for money up front, a 100% guarantee on "performs as advertised"
a running working prototype which performs "as advertised" ...
and no issues whatsoever with testing or demonstrating once product arrives from factory.
In summary he told you what you want to hear and you have chosen to ignore his self contradictions. He did no t give you a single piece of tangible information that you could verify that supports his ridiculous claims.
also noted by others here alibaba seems to be running with this outside of The US ??
Alibaba is based in China, but the vendor is in absolute control of what they post to Alibaba. He is no more detached from what's on Alibaba than Bob Rohner is responsible for what John Rohner has done.
This is not an open source project ,this is a business man looking to sell units
I will probably not be calling Mr.Potter again, we don't do business here nor will
we be needed for "proof" claims [so it seems at this point]
So far this is playing out like MagnaCoaster. You have not obtained any information that improves their credibility.
However I do know some fellows that will be exploring the open source work previously associated with very similar claims in years past 8)
respectfully
Chet
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I will not be participating in any crystal ball anonymous scam claim nonsense .
my crystal ball is in the shop for repairs and this fellow is making every move possible to
Deliver as promised.
How can you draw such an unevidenced conclusion? He has told you a story and given you can verify to support his extraordinary tale.
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Chet:
Well then check out that normal distribution curve that I posted and look at the orange area.
As MarkE very aptly stated, it's a battery-in-a-box scam.
My comment about the time for thermal equilibrium is dead-on and that's the "38th" indicator that this is a scam.
MileHigh
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Mark E
Have a nice day
I cannot spend the time to play with you and the way you twist the content of my posts
***how the Heck did you turn a 12hr nonstop run time at 5000 watts continuous load into some Battery run nonsense???[just one example which jumped off the page before I stopped reading your post]
Nor will I participate in Crystal ball character assassination by anonymous individuals of a third Party Known person that is not here to defend himself.
MH
I will not be calling Mr.Potter back because I don't feel he will contribute to an Open source replication attempt at this time .
however that could change.
Chet
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fellahs
Talk amoungst yourselves for a few days,if I have any relevant info I'll post it here
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Tried, convicted and sentenced
LOL
and all with a couple of pictures
something around here stinks
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Mark E
Have a nice day
I cannot spend the time to play with you and the way you twist the content of my posts
***how the Heck did you turn a 12hr nonstop run time at 5000 watts continuous load into some Battery running nonsense???
I didn't. I took the information provided and interpreted it for its plain meaning. On the one hand we have a box that obviously has but two large lead acid batteries as its potential energy store, one of which is connected with suitably heavy wires to a 2kW DC-AC inverter. Gotuluc found the batteries and they are 94Ah at 10 hour rate, ie 9.4A each. That makes the total energy in the box 2400Wh when fully charged, and the batteries are not suitable for discharge beyond 0.2C, meaning that of the 200Ah available, only 40A, less than 500W can be drawn without harming the batteries. At even 100% efficient power conversion the box cannot hold up for half an hour at the stated load. Nor is there 5kW of power conversion in the box to feed the 220VAC outlet, the only place where 5kW could come out.
Nor will I participate in Crystal ball character assassination by anonymous individuals of a third Party Known person that is not here to defend himself.
He destroyed his own reputation when he started this scam.
MH
I will not be calling Mr.Potter back because I don't feel he will contribute to an Open source replication attempt at this time .
however that could change.
Chet
Oh, you can bet that there will not be any meaningful verification tests.
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Tried, convicted and sentenced
LOL
and all with a couple of pictures
something around here stinks
How many pictures should it take?
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You mean satisfied customers mark E?
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You mean satisfied customers mark E?
You could be the first. Write a check. Receive a boat anchor.
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In a few of the pics posted there is this unaddressed opaque looking box labelled with the number '25'...not knowing whats in this mysterious box how can anyone possibly comment on the unit's viability without the use of Chet's crystal ball ?
Regards...
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In a few of the pics posted there is this unaddressed opaque looking box labelled with the number '25'...not knowing whats in this mysterious box how can anyone possibly comment on the unit's viability without the use of Chet's crystal ball ?
Regards...
Water is not fuel. Thank you for playing.
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It's funny because I managed to stumble across some "reverse engineering" info about how they developed their "product."
Q: How do you engineer a nice sleek tubular frame for your fake generator?
A: Buy a real generator from a real company and use their frame!
http://www.generac.com/all-products/generators/portable-generators/gp-series/gp5000
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That's hilarious, completely hilarious. He combines several lossy systems in series and magically attains OU.
Pelton wheel: up to 92 percent efficiency for the most modern sophisticated designs.
PMA: up to 90 percent efficiency.
Motor driving water pump: perhaps 85-90 percent efficiency.
Water pump hydraulic efficiency: perhaps 90 percent for the very best designs.
0.92 x 0.90 x 0.90 x 0.90 = about 67 percent throughput efficiency. Where is the OU magic coming from?
The reason you fail to see the OU in this setup TK,is simply because he forgot to plug in the lights during the demo. We all know that once there is lights running from the unit,this will give us a clear indication of OU. This is how all OU devices show there OU output. ;)
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It's funny because I managed to stumble across some "reverse engineering" info about how they developed their "product."
Q: How do you engineer a nice sleek tubular frame for your fake generator?
A: Buy a real generator from a real company and use their frame!
http://www.generac.com/all-products/generators/portable-generators/gp-series/gp5000
Sorry MH,but you got it wrong this time. The generac has two bolt hole's each side,and the GDS has only one on the front and one on the side.
This can only mean that they built it from scratch :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Specifications subject to change without notice. 8)
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Specifications subject to change without notice. 8)
;)
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Sterling will be keeping in touch with Mr.Potter on a weekly basis
Here
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page)
if / when units become available for purchase /examination I will gladly up date here.
Thx
Chet
ps
Patent investigation/search is ongoing.
PPS
Cap , want some Gas for that fire.... ;D
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Is there any room on Bill Alec's scooter for this thing ?
Regards...
MEASUREMENTS PLEASE
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Chet, they have at least one prototype, right?
Well, ask him if they'd welcome 3rd party testing on it? I'll come down with my tekky scope and stop watch and see if the unit can make it past a few hours while delivering 1kW into a load.
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Poynt
Yes he has a running prototype,
This man has been Hammered by the overwhelming response , he is definitely Shell shocked
However I will call him again in a few days and see...
Thx
Chet
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Poynt
Yes he has a running prototype,
This man has been Hammered by the overwhelming response , he is definitely Shell shocked
However I will call him again in a few days and see...
Thx
Chet
All these running prototypes! We are still shellshocked by the QEG "running prototype" claimed by Naima Feagin, Valerie Feagin and James Robitaille over a year ago and as recently as last April. That running prototype that didn't really run itself as claimed, at all. And Alek's running prototype of his scooter. And Steorn's running prototype. And.... well, some of us have longer memories than others. We've seen dozens of people who had "running prototypes" of one kind or another that didn't actually run, even though their makers might have believed that they were only "seconds away" from running.
Sure, he's got a "running prototype", we saw that in the video. A running prototype that has two huge batteries in it, like all good electrical OU machines. A running prototype that doesn't even need the Pelton wheel/PMA to turn while it's running. A running prototype that the militaries of three nations would be fighting over, if it actually operated as claimed. A running prototype that will run for three days, on a single fill of water, I just know it will. Just now it only runs for two or three hours before something makes it stop and the batteries have to be recharged. But by December 15 I'm sure he and his 50 employees will have it all straightened out. Right.
Chet, if you had a real "running prototype" of such a machine, wouldn't you take the batteries out, live on camera, to demonstrate that it doesn't actually need the batteries to keep running? I sure would.
"Patent investigation/search is ongoing."
What, he doesn't remember the numbers of the "Canadian Patents" he mentioned to you?
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Well, Bill may not have a running prototype, but he has a riding one.
I'm almost sure this generator thingy wood run the scooter, and fit right on the back where the beer cooler is now.
Regards...
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Poynt
Yes he has a running prototype,
This man has been Hammered by the overwhelming response , he is definitely Shell shocked
However I will call him again in a few days and see...
Thx
Chet
He should take one of his fifty employees and assign her to telephone duty and order-taking, so he can just relax in his poolhouse and dream about all that money he will be raking in. He's going to have to have some big presentation to the people from the General Motors of Canada's car assembly plant just down the road. Maybe that will be before, or maybe after, the visits from the engineering professors from the University of Ontario's Institute of Technology over on Simcoe Street.
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All these running prototypes! We are still shellshocked by the QEG "running prototype" claimed by Naima Feagin, Valerie Feagin and James Robitaille over a year ago and as recently as last April. That running prototype that didn't really run itself as claimed, at all. And Alek's running prototype of his scooter. And Steorn's running prototype. And.... well, some of us have longer memories than others. We've seen dozens of people who had "running prototypes" of one kind or another that didn't actually run, even though their makers might have believed that they were only "seconds away" from running.
Sure, he's got a "running prototype", we saw that in the video. A running prototype that has two huge batteries in it, like all good electrical OU machines. A running prototype that doesn't even need the Pelton wheel/PMA to turn while it's running. A running prototype that the militaries of three nations would be fighting over, if it actually operated as claimed. A running prototype that will run for three days, on a single fill of water, I just know it will. Just now it only runs for two or three hours before something makes it stop and the batteries have to be recharged. But by December 15 I'm sure he and his 50 employees will have it all straightened out. Right.
Chet, if you had a real "running prototype" of such a machine, wouldn't you take the batteries out, live on camera, to demonstrate that it doesn't actually need the batteries to keep running? I sure would.
"Patent investigation/search is ongoing."
What, he doesn't remember the numbers of the "Canadian Patents" he mentioned to you?
There is no patent-there is a patent pending only in Canada. ::)
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Haven't we had this discussion before?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_pending
I don't know about Canada, but in the USA and in Australia, it is actually illegal to use the term "Patent pending" in sales or descriptive literature about a product unless a patent application has actually been filed.
Fraudulent use of a patent pending designation is prohibited by the law of many countries and inventors should be cautious when marking products or methods that may arguably not be covered by any pending patent application. In some jurisdictions, such as the United Kingdom, a warning notice should ideally mention the number of the pending application.
In the USA:
The use of the term "patent pending" or "patent applied for" is permitted so long as a patent application has actually been filed. If these terms are used when no patent application has been filed it is deemed as a deceptive act and a fine of up to $500 may be imposed for every such offense.
The Canadian patent article is longer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_patent_law
And from what that article contains, I am wondering how a box full of commercial off the shelf items connected in obvious and well known ways could ever be considered patentable. Especially after the video and other "disclosures" from GDS.
So what are the numbers of the Canadian patent applications, then?
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Gotoluc allow scripts.
It gets funnier. Here is the product detail information from alibaba http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/Portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_/productdetail.html (http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/Portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_/productdetail.html)
Portable water generator (runs on water)
Quick Details
Place of Origin: Ontario Canada
Brand Name: GDS
Model Number: GDS5000
Type: Generator
Electricity Generator Type: runs on water
Output Voltage (V): 110
GDS5000: 5360
Packaging & Delivery
Packaging Detail: Foam with Cardboard
Delivery Detail: 31 Days
Specifications
Portable water generator that runs on water,copper coils and magnets.creates 5000 watts of electricity per hour.
GDS5000 which produces 5000 watts of power for light duty. Use for your house, cottage or small construction project. Emergency back-up power, concerts, camping, motor home. This unit is also 50% less noisey than traditional generator so you can use indoors with NO Fumes and NO Pollution and it's a great way of saving energy cost and helping the environment.
How does it work?
When you receive your new portable water generator just add 4 gallons of normal water in the tank and turn the red toggle switch to on position (emergency safety) that will start the battery and pump and turbine all at once, it's that easy. All units have been tested before leaving our facility.
Instruction and warranty manuals will be supplied with every unit sold.
How do I know which unit I need?
Simple, on ever electrical product that is made, there is a sticker and it will show how many watts per hour it uses then total all the watts together, that will tell you how many watts you are using and will help you decide which unit best works for your needs.
SPECIFICATIONS
Product Series GDS5000
AC Voltage 110/240
AC Frequency 50/60 hz
Energy Type Turbine Generator 5kw
Generator Coils and Magnets
Start method Battery
Ground On Frame
Water Gauge On Tank
Digital Hour meter with volt/amp meter
Start Switch Type On/Off
Handle Style Single Folding/Locking
1 1⁄4 Steel Frame Strength and Durability
Emergency Stop Button Yes
Well well well. It appears that Gregory Potter has been trying to reduce his exposure on AliBaba. Try that link now....
http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/Portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_/productdetail.html (http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/Portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_/productdetail.html)
And this page has changed too:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-water-generator-runs-on-water-_50002273662.html
And of course a search of the Canadian patent database returns no results for Gregory Potter. That could be because his application is too new to appear there, of course.
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So we can deduce that after seeing your cries of scam etc here that the inventor is still determined to inject onto market mr tinselkoala.this is a good sign.
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Please note that the claim is NOT a claim of overunity of any kind.
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Please note that the claim is NOT a claim of overunity of any kind.
Please note that the claim is one of powering an engine from water. You are welcome to explain how hundreds of MJ may be obtained from 16 liters of tap water. Perhaps you would like to post a demonstration. You do claim expertise in chemistry don't you?
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So we can deduce that after seeing your cries of scam etc here that the inventor is still determined to inject onto market mr tinselkoala.this is a good sign.
You are funny!
Here's what I think on my more charitable times: Gregory Potter is another self-deluded "inventor" who thinks his system will work, and who is so confident it will that he has started selling it before it is ready to go. We have seen this kind of self-delusion before many times. He provides a partial demonstration as "evidence" that he has something to sell. We have seen this before many times. When challenged about the claims, they start to be altered, and the past claims get covered up. We have seen this before, many times. And the people who are most vocal in pointing out the problems and inconsistencies in the claimant's behaviour and claims... they get attacked and insulted... but never refuted. We have seen this before, many times!
Then I come to my senses and think "Wayne Travis".....
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You are funny!
Here's what I think on my more charitable times: Gregory Potter is another self-deluded "inventor" who thinks his system will work, and who is so confident it will that he has started selling it before it is ready to go. We have seen this kind of self-delusion before many times. He provides a partial demonstration as "evidence" that he has something to sell. We have seen this before many times. When challenged about the claims, they start to be altered, and the past claims get covered up. We have seen this before, many times. And the people who are most vocal in pointing out the problems and inconsistencies in the claimant's behaviour and claims... they get attacked and insulted... but never refuted. We have seen this before, many times!
Then I come to my senses and think "Wayne Travis".....
Ah and where is Mr. Wayne and his buoyancy machines? He's in about the same state as James Kwok and his hapless buoyancy machines. Wouldn't it be nice for Honest Wayne Travis if he could find a trillionaire willing to write a big cheque without doing any diligence? Then Wayne could pay off all the existing investors he's ripped off and stop worrying each time someone offers him a ride whether it would be wise to keep walking. Alas, poor Mr. Wayne can't seem to catch a break. The supermarket won't even give him a discount on such necessities as milk, toilet paper, or paper towels.
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Portable generator that RUNS on WATER.
Simply hook up one of our generators,and get OFF the expensive grid.
Dosnt come much clearer than that.
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http://pesn.com/2014/10/27/9602557_GDS-Technologies_not-ready-to-go-yet/2014-10-27_time_07_42_58-MDT_call-to_Greg-Potter.mp3 (http://pesn.com/2014/10/27/9602557_GDS-Technologies_not-ready-to-go-yet/2014-10-27_time_07_42_58-MDT_call-to_Greg-Potter.mp3)
This probably won't stay up very long....
Great "interview" isn't it? Where the interviewer does most of the talking...... and the interviewee doesn't explain why he put up a YT video, AliBaba pages, and PayPal links offering something for sale that he couldn't actually supply "yet".
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Archived.
The call was hilarious. Most of the time Sterling was trying to push his beliefs and Mike Water's contraptions on Potter. Questions like: "What kind of test data do you have?" "Is it independent?" "How many units have shipped?" "Why did you take out an advertisement this month to store trucks?" etc didn't seem to occur to Sterling.
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http://pesn.com/2014/10/27/9602557_GDS-Technologies_not-ready-to-go-yet/2014-10-27_time_07_42_58-MDT_call-to_Greg-Potter.mp3 (http://pesn.com/2014/10/27/9602557_GDS-Technologies_not-ready-to-go-yet/2014-10-27_time_07_42_58-MDT_call-to_Greg-Potter.mp3)
This probably won't stay up very long....
Great "interview" isn't it? Where the interviewer does most of the talking...... and the interviewee doesn't explain why he put up a YT video, AliBaba pages, and PayPal links offering something for sale that he couldn't actually supply "yet".
I love the way seagull-i mean Stirling tries to weasle his way into the deal. I have the best guys that could help you out with the engineering ::) The guy just built a machine that is powered by water(apparently),and he needs the help of engineer's ???
A water powered QMoGen-->aint that a hoot.
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You can't run an airconditioner on the 3000 watt unit you need the 5000 watt unit that can run 3 airconditioners because 5000 / 3 = anyway we also have a 15000 watt unit ... Now you may think I just used photoshop to change the color and the logo NOOO and we also use robots to assemble to the greatest level of quality control so screws are turned to the exact same position, scratches replicated and even random bends in our vents are standardized.
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There's still this matter of that component labelled with the number '25', and its possible function, which has been raised and still yet to be addressed.
Any takers as ?
Regards...
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I love the way seagull-i mean Stirling tries to weasle his way into the deal. I have the best guys that could help you out with the engineering ::) The guy just built a machine that is powered by water(apparently),and he needs the help of engineer's ???
A water powered QMoGen-->aint that a hoot.
Yes, but does his QMoGen have: Microthermite accelerators? Dusti8fying space beams? A rusty chain link to the wheel work of nature? A holder for post apocalypse beef jerky?
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There's still this matter of that component labelled with the number '25', and its possible function, which has been raised and still yet to be addressed.
Any takers as ?
Regards...
As if it matters: From the front side it looks like a circuit breaker.
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There's still this matter of that component labelled with the number '25', and its possible function, which has been raised and still yet to be addressed.
Any takers as ?
Regards...
That is the space time modulator that bugs bunny stole from the little alien.
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There's still this matter of that component labelled with the number '25', and its possible function, which has been raised and still yet to be addressed.
Any takers as ?
Regards...
25 is the power bar and it looks like he took it from the same generac he took frame off. I didnt go through all the Generac Models but this 7500 was close maybe someone with more patience can find the exact model with the same power bar and same screw holes in the metal frame.
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That is the space time modulator that bugs bunny stole from the little alien.
If we do not return that to the shaving cream planet we will all be lost.
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That is the space time modulator that bugs bunny stole from the little alien.
I believe it was the eludium piew disintegrator. ;) ;D
Mags
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My research seems to indicate it might actually be a 'Gonkulator'.
Regards...
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Lol mark E yes I might know a thing or two about obtaining a few extra joules from water but I'm not going to demo anything here I'm already walking a tightrope.the inventor here did under no circumstances claim overunity of any kind unless you can show us how the phrase 'runs on water' applies to overunity and not to lubrication or hydraulics. energy drinks companies use the same lines,'runs on water' or 'powers you up forever' etc etc.. The duracell bunny is a classic examp.this inventor is using an advertising skills for a better bat.
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@tinman.how does that phrase ,'runs on water,get off the grid' equate to overunity claim as opposed to advertising flash.did mr potter say it is overunity or not
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Lol mark E yes I might know a thing or two about obtaining a few extra joules from water but I'm not going to demo anything here I'm already walking a tightrope.the inventor here did under no circumstances claim overunity of any kind unless you can show us how the phrase 'runs on water' applies to overunity and not to lubrication or hydraulics. energy drinks companies use the same lines,'runs on water' or 'powers you up forever' etc etc.. The duracell bunny is a classic examp.this inventor is using an advertising skills for a better bat.
The inventor claims water alone as fuel which unless one is seriously ignorant or brain damaged one recognizes as a preposterous claim.
You are welcome to offer actual evidence that such a claim as the inventor makes can be true.
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Does anyone have an estimate of the volume of the water tank on the unit shown in the video? Pelton wheels don't do too well when they are totally submerged.
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We have now entered the bizarro zone of ou.com folks.
And have transitioned from baseless claims of fraud despite the fact there is an unknown component in the unit which could be the key to its operation, to proof of concept being demanded from people who also have no idea what the mystery component is.
Regards...
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We have now entered the bizarro zone of ou.com folks.
And have transitioned from baseless claims of fraud despite the fact there is an unknown component in the unit which could be the key to its operation, to proof of concept being demanded from people who also have no idea what the mystery component is.
Regards...
If you are talking about my question, I don't see the rationale for your complaint. If the amount of water that the claimant says to add completely fills the tank or even partially submerges the Pelton wheel, the efficiency of the Pelton system goes _way_ down. And this then would be a further inconsistency about the device that would add to the total "tells" that the device does not operate as claimed.
But of course... this complaint comes from a real troll, Captain Zero, who contributes nothing to the discussion but merely attacks the discussants.
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Only a massive ego could possibly relate my post to this troll's posted droolings.
Its all about TK all the time I guess.
Regards...
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We have now entered the bizarro zone of ou.com folks.
And have transitioned from baseless claims of fraud despite the fact there is an unknown component in the unit which could be the key to its operation, to proof of concept being demanded from people who also have no idea what the mystery component is.
Regards...
LOL. That's quite the argument from ignorance: Very willful ignorance. We also don't know if they hid fairies under the wire nuts. Neither matters. GDS claims the machine is powered by energy from a fuel source that doesn't have any energy to give.
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I don't think he has claimed over unity anywhere, just claimed it runs on water.
He probably could have put a 12 volt HOH generator (run a current through a dozen stainless steal plates and collected the gas) and ran a HOH motor of it so he could legally say it runs on water. Yes you would have the HOH generation stop when the battery went flat but it would have at least been a valid claim.
He could have also used an osmotic generator by putting both Sea water and Fresh water in the device and using pressure retarded osmosis but again I fail to see that occurring and he specifically says no salt water and we would need a few thousand liter water tanks or two hoses one connected to fresh and one to salt.
He could have connected a garden hose and at least supplemented the power with the pelton generator and create maybe 2 or 3 watts (and perhaps he did that in an earlier version) but I agree that if this is actually connected in the current form it would only retard the system consuming energy for the sake of mixing the water.
He could be using the water and the pelton wheel to create waves in the tank and then use the salter's duck method or other form of wave energy generator to convert the waves into electricity but in this small space I can't see him getting more than a couple of watts of power and the water would not depreciate (unless he has a leak).
He could have use a tidal energy method and had two tanks with the water flowing from the top tank to the bottom tank and use the water pressure to turn the turbine and generate power but again no second tank (unless the water spills on the ground) but a few liters is not going to last more than a few minutes and <1 watt.
The wheel in the water tank could be a minto wheel or some type of heat transfer engine with evaporation (One Hundred Drinking birds) this would explain the fact you need to refill the water as the evaporative cooling method would consume a small amount of water over time. But again only create < 1 watt.
He does have water in the battery for electrolyses as part of the charging process and the fact the batteries have handles and do not appear to be secured I get the feeling they need to be charged frequently. Without the water it would not work so I guess he could say it does in fact use water but this maybe a stretch.
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Here's what I think on my more charitable times: Gregory Potter is another self-deluded "inventor" who thinks his system will work, and who is so confident it will that he has started selling it before it is ready to go. We have seen this kind of self-delusion before many times. He provides a partial demonstration as "evidence" that he has something to sell. We have seen this before many times. When challenged about the claims, they start to be altered, and the past claims get covered up. We have seen this before, many times. And the people who are most vocal in pointing out the problems and inconsistencies in the claimant's behaviour and claims... they get attacked and insulted... but never refuted. We have seen this before, many times!
Then I come to my senses and think "Wayne Travis".....
Well I hope that you are back! I personally refuse to give one of these people the benefit of the doubt. Something like "It ran for 10 minutes at high power so I thought that it could do the same thing for 12 hours." Lies!
Jamie, this new guy, whomever, they simply can't be so stupid such that they don't do a load test to meet their "performance criteria." It just doesn't make sense and I refuse to believe this scenario can be true.
Meanwhile, on this thread, there has also been a lot of discussion that makes no sense at all. For example, all of this talk of a pelton wheel is crazy. Do you have any idea what kind of water pressure and flow rate it would take to produce three or five kilowatts of rotational mechanical output from the pelton wheel? Are you supposed to hook up the generator to a high-pressure fire hydrant? Likewise all of this crazy talk about "Rube Goldberg" recycling of energy inside the box. Evey single step would be under unity, it's just nonsense talk. Likewise Captain Zero does the "magic box" argument. There could be a "magic box" in any possible free energy devcice that you can imagine.
This one is a transparent fraud. The degrees that people will bend over to "make an accommodation" in their thought processes because of a desire to believe is hard to believe itself.
The little black box that holds water inside the big black box does NOTHING. It's just a prop that does nothing. Just like the whole box does nothing, it is a PROP. When the guy shows it powering a hand drill, that's because there is a battery powering an inverter inside the big box.
I am also feeling that the guy in the clip is just a frontman that knows nothing. He is being paid to put a public face on this fraud and the real perpetrator that dreamt up this scheme is behind the camera.
MileHigh
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no mark E the inventor did not claim free energy or overunity or even improved efficiency.the company did not even use the words 'self-sustain' or even the word 'permanent'.the duracell bunny insists to this day that it will go on and on and on etc..
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I believe it was the eludium piew disintegrator. ;) ;D
Mags
No Mag's-definitely a space modulator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuUJfYcn3V4
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no mark E the inventor did not claim free energy or overunity or even improved efficiency.
Bollocks
The inventor claims it run's on water,and as far as im aware,you dont have to pay for rain water-thus the energy produced would be free.
Improved effifiency-If the 3000 watt unit can pump out 3000 watts for 12 hour's(as claimed before a cooling down period of 3 hours is required) from 2x 100 amp hour 12 volt batteries,then that is one hell of an efficiency increase. As this 3000 watts for 12 hours would far exceed the posable output of those two batteries,then it would have to be OU to run for that 12 hour's.
So yes-all those claims have been made by the inventor profitis.In the inventors own words-3000 watts for 12 hour's(per the video)
2x 100 amp hour 12 volt batteries are what is inside the device,so the maximum output from them is 200 amps @ 12 volts for an hour-->this would also exceed the rated max amp draw of the batteries for extended periods of time.
200 x 12 = 2400 watts for one hour.
So not only are we 600 watts short in output,we are also 11 hours of run time short-and thats just inbetween rest period's.
So the rest of the output energy for the other 11 hours is comeing from where???
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When confronted with the logic of common sense and the reality that there is an unknown element of the device conveniently ignored...the response is an uncomfortable "LoL" followed by nonsensical conjecture...and a dismissive attitude towards a "magic box".
Obviously the goal is not putting forth cogent theory as to the possible function of the lonely 'box' in question.
Instead the preoccupation with dismissive ridicule front and center...which has the appearance of punching the troll clock.
'They shall be known by their fruits'
Regards...
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@tinman the rest of the power is coming from evaporation of water buddy let's not be silly now.
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@tinman the rest of the power is coming from evaporation of water buddy let's not be silly now.
Are you being serious? The evaporation of water is an energy sink, not an energy source. When water evaporates it draws in heat from the surrounding environment.
Beyond that, and if you are being serious, can you process 5000 watts of power compared to the power associated with evaporating water (supposing that it was an energy source)? Do you have any sense of scale?
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Unless one nose whats in the little black box...one nose nothing.
- taken from the book of Common Sense and Logic
Regards...
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When confronted with the logic of common sense and the reality that there is an unknown element of the device conveniently ignored...the response is an uncomfortable "LoL" followed by nonsensical conjecture...and a dismissive attitude towards a "magic box".
Obviously the goal is not putting forth cogent theory as to the possible function of the lonely 'box' in question.
Instead the preoccupation with dismissive ridicule front and center...which has the appearance of punching the troll clock.
You are punch drunk and you possess very little common sense.
When the end of December rolls around and there is no working device in sight, how about you posting that you were wrong in your conjecture about the 'box' and there is nothing working in sight. Then you can punch the snooze bar.
When the end of March 2015 rolls around, how about you posting that you were wrong again. Then you can punch the snooze bar.
When the end of June 2015 rolls around, how about you posting that you were wrong again. Then you can punch the snooze bar.
When the end of September 2015 rolls around, how about you posting that you were wrong again. Then you can punch the snooze bar.
Then at the end of December you can concede that you were totally wrong in your conjectures.
Then you can collect _your_ troll paycheck of 25 cents (or much more) and acknowledge that despite all of your hopes and dreams, it looks like yet again your attitude did nothing good and in fact it's just a facilitator for criminal activity. Scammers are very happy that you are around Captain Zero, because they know that they can count on your support to increase their sales.
Who knows, you may be working with a network of criminal scammers and your activities here are to increase their sales. You might be a very nicely compensated troll getting kickbacks from scammers and working with them to time the introductions of their fake devices. It's a dirty ugly job but somebody has to do it and the compensation is quite good.
Who knows, you could be a well paid troll working for a well established network of criminals.
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Was it something I said ?
Whatever could it have been ?
Hmmm, let me see now, I don't know...could it have been 3 little words, like...'LITTLE BLACK BOX' ?
Regards...
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Lol @milehigh now we see your true knowledge of thermodynamics coming into the picture,what do you think powers a dunking birdy eh.. I don't understand your and others' obsession with this device its no big deal it probably has an extra lithium battery in capn-zeros black box
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No evaporating water, no dunking birdie. I know what powers the dunking birdie. This is off topic, you can start a new thread if you want. I would be curious to hear what you think powers the dunking birdie.
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No Mag's-definitely a space modulator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuUJfYcn3V4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuUJfYcn3V4)
You are right. ;D The eludium Q36 space modulator. Been a long time since Ive seen those toons. Good stuff. ;)
Mags
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Lol @milehigh now we see your true knowledge of thermodynamics coming into the picture,what do you think powers a dunking birdy eh.. I don't understand your and others' obsession with this device its no big deal it probably has an extra lithium battery in capn-zeros black box
The sun powers the dunking birdie.
Put the dunking birdie in the fridge,and it wont work.
I think you would need 675890 dunking birdies to get 3000 watt's of output.How ever,no good in the north pole,dunking birdie would just freeze to a stop.
It takes energy to evaporate water-and thats the bottom line. So this is a loss,not a gain.
Profitis-->you are on a downhill slide,and have just about reached the bottom. I thought for a while there that you had great knowledge,but this seems to be incorrect :o
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Just went back to actually read what this loon posted...I only bother to read when they are frustrated with their disconnects being pointed out every time they try to post over them.
This latest one is goood.
The twisting of words the distortion of facts...oh, the humidity !
Wood anyone equate it to a false flag op, for it to be said that I support something of which I cannot say it works or it does not...simply because there's this little black box inside which could very easily contain circuitry enabling the device to run on water as is claimed.
BUT...because I refuse to join the chorus of hanging judges and blindly declare it a scam I am falsely being accused of backing this perceived "scam" product, and possibly other criminal scams.
Classic smear tactics...we all know where we've seen this M.O. before don't we ?
Assss above, so below ?
These desperate attempts to link me with gov look quite pretty silly given all the anti cabal stuff I've posted here and elsewhere...however, by contrast, I've seen no such critique's posted on the part of the finger pointer at hand.
Regards...
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Captain Zero:
Classic smear tactics...we all know where we've seen this M.O. before don't we ?
We see it from you all the time. That's where we've seen this M.O. You don't want to listen to rational technical arguments. Therefore it's possible that you are a paid shill, a troll, working for a network of criminal gangs. Who knows?
These desperate attempts to link me with gov
I interpret that huge blunder on your part is an indication that you got nervous and upset because you don't like being called a paid shill and a troll. How about them apples? Can you be as sleazy and low as John Rohner? Did he ever send you money? Who knows?
MileHigh
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Lol @milehigh now we see your true knowledge of thermodynamics coming into the picture,what do you think powers a dunking birdy eh.. I don't understand your and others' obsession with this device its no big deal it probably has an extra lithium battery in capn-zeros black box
Ok folks, here's the real back story to all of this.
The reason I kept bringing up 'the box' issue, is because I happen to know what that little box does.
I provided a number of opportunities for all of you to avoid making yourselves look like a judgmental blood thirsty pack of hyena's.
The people involved in making the video don't have a clue whats in the box either...the 'developer' is connected to the late Stan Meyers.
However, this device is an offshoot of Stan's concept, and eliminates the gas engine.
The units aren't yet as powerful as an engine at this stage but it won't be too far in the future before the current models will be used for camping or vacations.
How do I know all this you may well ask ? Well, I received this info from a hooker I was bangin' in Montreal last month
Yeah, I know I'm sick, I know I need help...is there a 12 step program or something for this ?
Hope one or two had a laff anyway.
Regards...
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Here are the bad things I see in the gds technologies Water Generators gds5000, gds10000 and gds15000.
A) Note: Guarantee that his documents contain both statements "stop using gasoline" and
"stop paying for electricity" at time of device order entry.
B) If he has used the unit for 4.5 years why hasn't he fixed this non continuous duty
cycle problem? This is a problem for testing for overunity.
C) If he using "great for shipping" gel cell batteries why is he using them in a place
where they are not recommend. Suggest VRLA AGM batteries. For AD Hoc regulators
the electrical parameters for these battery two types are slightly different.
D) No apparent use of latching relays or latching high current contactors, no apparent
control micrprocessor. Example: No automatic water tank fill and level control, no inverter
error signal summary and relay reset...
E) Equal batteries should be symetrically connected.
F) 12VDC battery bus should not be used above 3KW. Especially for 10KW and 240VAC is wrong,
at more than 200 Amperes per battery. Use serial battery 24 VDC batter power bus instead
above 3KW.
G) Overheating should not affect subcomponents except battery and water tank. Plot
energy efficiency of water tank and apparatus versus temperature. Swap symmetrically
connected batteries automatically.
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All these problems... and so little time.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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no mark E the inventor did not claim free energy or overunity or even improved efficiency.the company did not even use the words 'self-sustain' or even the word 'permanent'.the duracell bunny insists to this day that it will go on and on and on etc..
From the Description of the YT video:
We have developed a portable water powered generator that creates a large amount of energy to run our portable generators that generate power simply by adding water. Spending money on expensive gasoline is a thing of the past. We have found a way to produce energy by adding clean tap water.
Creates energy. Produces energy. What part of those claims do you not understand? "Oh, he just misspoke, because the creation or production of energy is forbidden by the law of Conservation of Energy, so the energy is in the water and it's just being liberated." Right.
Now please explain why no military agencies seem to be interested in this novel way to power their tanks.
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@mscoffman: But it has an Emergency Stop Switch! What more do you really need? After all many FE/OU devices don't have any such switch or brake. How many speed governors have you seen on Bessler Wheel designs?
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Captain Zero:
We see it from you all the time. That's where we've seen this M.O. You don't want to listen to rational technical arguments. Therefore it's possible that you are a paid shill, a troll, working for a network of criminal gangs. Who knows?
I interpret that huge blunder on your part is an indication that you got nervous and upset because you don't like being called a paid shill and a troll. How about them apples? Can you be as sleazy and low as John Rohner? Did he ever send you money? Who knows?
MileHigh
How many times does a troll have to repeat a lie, before its accepted as truth...in his own mind that is ?
Regards...
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How many times does a troll have to repeat a lie, before its accepted as truth...in his own mind that is ?
Look in the mirror biatch. I am just mocking you and making fun of you and giving you a taste of your own retarded medicine. You are probably the only fool that believes it. And at the same time it's true that you are aiding and abetting people that are criminals.
Meanwhile, just a few days ago, south of Montreal, a soldier was run down and killed by a crazy fanatic. Then two days later in Ottawa a soldier was gunned down by a crazy fanatic. I have told you repeatedly that your false accusations repeated often enough could also encourage a crazy fanatic. And you ignore the request like a stupid ass, and dwell in your daylight wanking fantasies about government agents suppressing people building spinny pulse motors. It's retarded.
So make whatever points you want to make about the propositions, but KEEP YOUR STUPID MOUTH SHUT with your stupid asinine accusations about people around here.
Do you get it, you ZERO?
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Well, I guess the troll cleared that up for everybody...we still await his expert(just ask him) opinion as to the nature of that black box hanging judges pretend is insignificant or invisible or something or other.
*sets box in middle of post*
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The proof will be in the pudding with respect to the latest box with batteries and inverters in it. The 'black box' is just a fantasy wank for you. Think about it five times tonight baby. Forget the black box, you need a small cardboard box.
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Most planes these days have a black box(even two),but no one is interested in them until the plane crashes,and everyone on board die's. ::)
The black box is just a palaver box.(intended to charm or beguile)-like the rest of the machine.
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no mark E the inventor did not claim free energy or overunity or even improved efficiency.the company did not even use the words 'self-sustain' or even the word 'permanent'.the duracell bunny insists to this day that it will go on and on and on etc..
Profitis get better glasses. GDS advertise the devices as generators that run on water. GDS claims: "Extended run time." Why do you take such silly positions?
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Lol @tinselkoala exactly,if it really 'runs on water' as opposed to uses water for lubrication efficiency then why aren't the military interested.so this spanish inquisition of yours is really for nothing.
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Yes @mark E.'extended' can mean anything,extended for two days.a car 'runs on water' technicly speaking even if its tanks are filled with gas.its engine burns out without water in the radiator.my stand and position here is to discourage a spanish inquisition on an innocent man.
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Yes @mark E.'extended' can mean anything,extended for two days.a car 'runs on water' technicly speaking even if its tanks are filled with gas.its engine burns out without water in the radiator.my stand and position here is to discourage a spanish inquisition on an innocent man.
LOL, that's some pretzel logic you've got going there profitis. Engines run on their fuel even if that fuel is first used as a coolant. You are alone with the daft idea that an engine instead runs on its dedicated coolant.
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Lol @tinselkoala exactly,if it really 'runs on water' as opposed to uses water for lubrication efficiency then why aren't the military interested.so this spanish inquisition of yours is really for nothing.
When do you expect delivery of your unit? Did your PayPal refund come in yet? Because surely you must have ordered one, based on your postings here.
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Bottom line.
Until the function of the black box is determined, every opinion posted here are simply speculation and conjecture.
Regards...
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Bottom line.
Until the function of the black box is determined, every opinion posted here are simply speculation and conjecture.
Regards...
LOL, you are free to believe or profess what you like no matter how silly. In the mean time: Water still is not fuel, and GDS's claims remain false by default.
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I noticed in the video that he has a "Pool Rules" poster of some kind on the wall and that the room itself isn't exactly a residential room. I wonder if he's in his pool-house, with a big swimming pool nearby.
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Bottom line.
Until the function of the black box is determined, every opinion posted here are simply speculation and conjecture.
Regards...
If you are referring to the box with "25" marked on it, it appears to me that it contains the timer, AC power distribution outlets, and breaker etc.
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If you are referring to the box with "25" marked on it, it appears to me that it contains the timer, AC power distribution outlets, and breaker etc.
Ripped directly out of the commercial gas or diesel genset where he got the frame. When I load the R-G article page scripts enabled I see an advert from Amazon for a commercial genset with the same frame and power distribution unit, even more similar than the one posted by tinman a few pages ago.
Now, look at the AliBaba links:
http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/Portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_/productdetail.html (http://m.alibaba.com/product/50002273662/Portable_water_generator_runs_on_water_/productdetail.html)
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-water-generator-runs-on-water-_50002273662.html (http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Portable-water-generator-runs-on-water-_50002273662.html)
Now they really do appear to be gone! Sanitized!
By the way, gotoluc found the exact PMA and Pelton turbine (yes, they are called turbines sometimes) on Ebay, and posted a link to the complete assembly some pages back. The Pelton wheel is also available separately.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Pelton+wheel&_sacat=0 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Pelton+wheel&_sacat=0)
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I figured it out, there is an electric eel in the water tank and two hamster wheels in the tires.
Seriously though apart from a fusion reaction (Oshawa is near the Pickering nuclear power plant :-), and this idea is really far fetched, but perhaps a generator could use some type of water/ algae based bio fuel. Generates a bio gas that is fed into the motor and uses the pelton wheel to keep the algae and water mixed. He could make that claim and say his bio fuel generator is hidden inside a hollowed out battery in order to hide his invention until his patent application is processed bythe USPTO and Canadian patent office.
Yeah I know I am making stuff up and I really think like everyone else this is just another battery in a box.
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I figured it out, there is an electric eel in the water tank and two hamster wheels in the tires.
Seriously though apart from a fusion reaction (Oshawa is near the Pickering nuclear power plant :-), and this idea is really far fetched, but perhaps a generator could use some type of water/ algae based bio fuel. Generates a bio gas that is fed into the motor and uses the pelton wheel to keep the algae and water mixed. He could make that claim and say his bio fuel generator is hidden inside a hollowed out battery in order to hide his invention until his patent application is processed bythe USPTO and Canadian patent office.
Yeah I know I am making stuff up and I really think like everyone else this is just another battery in a box.
The problem is scale. You need enough mutant atomic algae and rabid hamsters to generate 15kW = ~20hp.
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@tinselkoala oh well if it was a real breakthru or real fraud we'l never know now thanks to your crusades.the inventor is very stupid anyway if it is a breakthru improvement because he shouldv thort about the attention that it would bring from o.u. websites and the crusades that come along with such attention.he shouldve just called it a 'super gen runs long time' and shutup about the water promo
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@tinselkoala oh well if it was a real breakthru or real fraud we'l never know now thanks to your crusades.the inventor is very stupid anyway if it is a breakthru improvement because he shouldv thort about the attention that it would bring from o.u. websites and the crusades that come along with such attention.he shouldve just called it a 'super gen runs long time' and shutup about the water promo
Those with the ability to observe recognize this device as just yet another in a long string of battery in a box magic generator claims.
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There is said to be patent application. I can find nothing in the Canadian office mentioning Greg Potter, GDS or GDS Technologies.
Here's the link in case others may succeed:
http://brevets-patents.ic.gc.ca/opic-cipo/cpd/eng/search/advanced.html
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There is said to be patent application. I can find nothing in the Canadian office mentioning Greg Potter, GDS or GDS Technologies.
Here's the link in case others may succeed:
http://brevets-patents.ic.gc.ca/opic-cipo/cpd/eng/search/advanced.html
Three points:
1. Patent applications do not publish immediately.
2. An application would only state how the inventor claims the device works.
3. Applications that describe non-operable machines like this one routinely get rejected for lack of utility.
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Three points:
1. Patent applications do not publish immediately.
2. An application would only state how the inventor claims the device works.
3. Applications that describe non-operable machines like this one routinely get rejected for lack of utility.
1.Good point.
2. The applicant must describe what he or she wishes to claim
3. The USPTO is stuffed full of ordure. He will get past this easily, good or bad.
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All these running prototypes! We are still shellshocked by the QEG "running prototype" claimed by Naima Feagin, Valerie Feagin and James Robitaille over a year ago and as recently as last April. That running prototype that didn't really run itself as claimed, at all. And Alek's running prototype of his scooter. And Steorn's running prototype. And.... well, some of us have longer memories than others. We've seen dozens of people who had "running prototypes" of one kind or another that didn't actually run, even though their makers might have believed that they were only "seconds away" from running.
Case in point: Nathren Armour's watercar claim that I busted wide open a few years back. Told me he had a running prototype. Watch this to see his definition of "running"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHn5gTtLGkc&list=UUFIepgJGHPNvEpsj6q8rLmw
My advice - be hopeful but temper that hope with common sense and instinct.
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If you are referring to the box with "25" marked on it, it appears to me that it contains the timer, AC power distribution outlets, and breaker etc.
Thank you Poynt, a serious answer...finally.
I checked the pics, and that indeed seems to be the case.
While looking, I also noticed a metal looking box in behind the black box...does anyone recognize it ?
Another unanswered question.
Even so, any of the visible components may have been modified.
We are still in the dark until a device is closely examined...and I'm not about to speculate with so many factors yet unexplored.
Regards...
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1.Good point.
2. The applicant must describe what he or she wishes to claim
That is true. However the specification must enable the claims by describing in such a way that a person of ordinary skill in the art may practice the claims without undue experimentation. When the specification makes claims that the examiner recognizes as violating physical laws, then the applicant must overcome the examiner's objections with appropriate evidence.
3. The USPTO is stuffed full of ordure. He will get past this easily, good or bad.
Many junk applications get through it is true. Claims for a water powered engine are very unlikely to do so.
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Thank you Poynt, a serious answer...finally.
I checked the pics, and that indeed seems to be the case.
While looking, I also noticed a metal looking box in behind the black box...does anyone recognize it ?
Another unanswered question.
Even so, any of the visible components may have been modified.
We are still in the dark until a device is closely examined...and I'm not about to speculate with so many factors yet unexplored.
Regards...
Your doubts are off in left field. No black box that does not have its own power source changes water into fuel.
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@mark E that's the problem nothing was observed so no conclusion can be drawn.the mouse was chased straight back into the hole by these crusaders lynchmob here.does anyone even know if the alibaba ad is still up
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@mark E that's the problem nothing was observed so no conclusion can be drawn.the mouse was chased straight back into the hole by these crusaders lynchmob here.does anyone even know if the alibaba ad is still up
GDS/Potter made their false claims just like so many free energy scam artists before them. Scam artists like these never deliver because their claims are false, not because people start asking questions.
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Its too late @mark E.there's no way to be certain now.the product has vapourized from alibaba
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Without full and complete disclosure, all claims must be taken with a grain of salt. Just as a reminder to shake up the hypnotized:
Joe Newman.
Nathren Armour.
Don Smith.
Stan Meyer.
Bob Boyce.
Howard Johnson.
Daniel Dingel.
Mikhail Dmitriyev.
Dennis Lee.
Will Mr. Potter be the next name on this list????
The list can go on and on, but these are some names that I have had some personal experience with in one form or another. It's a controversial list, and there are many who still VEHEMENTLY defend these guys - and they have every technical reason and fact memorized and ready to load into their propaganda guns. For this reason, the door is still wide open for scammers and crooks. The hope and belief is still alive and well.
These are names of individuals who have made claims about overunity devices that were never completely verified and/or which failed to develop into a marketable device despite significant funds being invested and research being done both publicly and privately. I have personally met a few of the people on this list (which is short and incomplete) - some by phone, some in the flesh - and a couple of them I would even call friends. So let me say this - if an inventor can get carried away and caught up in their own claims, how much more so can we? Not all claims are made with intentional false pretenses, but some claims are misrepresented, mistakenly justified, or simply not true for reasons the claimant is not aware of. Some of these guys truly believe their claims are accurate, but third party investigation often uncovers honest or unintentional mistakes. Some of these guys have made claims that I still struggle with rejecting - most notably Stan's. After all these years, I'm still spending money trying to replicate his work in the hopes that there is something to it. My advice, keep your money in your wallet for the most part, and only spend it when its extra and it wont effect you and your family.
Potter is asking a ton of money for his product. It's not like each unit is 100 bucks. For most of us, multiple thousands is a really huge investment. If it works, its the bargain of the millennium. If is a rouge - its a steal of a lifetime for him. So just hang out for a few months. If the projected delivery date keeps getting pushed out - you know its just a pumped up scam. Time will reveal which are solid irrefutable claims and which are false. I will say this though - nothing in that box represents a technology which produces more energy that is required to operate it. I would say that stringing together a bunch of NON overunity devices in a box and claiming it makes more energy than it takes to run it is pretty impossible. One needs some kind of technology that taps into the ether - the ambient environment - the Zero Point reference background. Like say some kind of coil, collapsing magnetic field, or electron extraction device. At least Don Smith made a valiant attempt at it when he strung together some caps, a lightning arrestor, a cool adjustable coil and a neon light transformer. Look at one of those transformer rating labels, do the math, and you will be rather shocked (no pun intended). At least Don used a device that on paper "makes" more power than it uses (read the labels). So a bunch of conventional pumps and motors running off non exotic EM fields and moving water just wont cut it. It's been tried and done before and not once has it succeeded. I fear it will be the same result this time too. So sit back and wait to see where this goes. We will all know soon enough.
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Its too late @mark E.there's no way to be certain now.the product has vapourized from alibaba
There was never anything to be uncertain about profitis. Yet another bozo on the internet claimed a magic machine powered by water. Water is not fuel. These claims are false just like all the prior water as fuel gizmo claims have been false. End of story.
Potter / GDS claims that he has 10 units now. He claims that he will have production volumes in six weeks. What he won't have is any machine that does what he claims.
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Perhaps the most important information we have right now, given what we've learned so far... the only concrete thing about any of this:
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Even though it's probably very easy to do, offering t-shirts still shows that there is some slickness to this whole operation. I bet you they will ship out t-shirts promptly if they get orders for them. That will make some believers convinced that this thing is real.
There is confusion in the storyline so far, but that plays into a dramatic build-up to mid-December and that is probably hooking people and reeling them in. There are also "Big Fish" stories with the talk about 10 machines in existence, etc. I believe there is only one box, the one seen in the video. They bought a real generator, removed the guts from the frame, canabalized some parts like the AC outlets and the emergency stop button and then built their big black box with a hand-held jigsaw cutter.
If the average 50% down payment is say $4000, and they get 50 orders, that's $200,000.
What about people that ordered from Magnacoaster? From what I understand no one got delivery and no one got their money back.
If you are in South Carolina, or England, what do you do if your PayPal account does a $2500 CDN transfer into the GDS account and you don't get delivery? Put the time frame in May 2015. In other words, you have reluctantly accepted the three or four stories from GDS that were supposedly explaining the reasons for the delays in shipping and it is now May 2015 and you are starting to wake up.
So, you ordered something in December 2014, it is now May 2015, and you have nothing and you still haven't heard the confirmation from GDS that they are ready to ship so you can pay the remaining 50%. What can you really do? The "supplier" is in a foreign country, and you are basically on your own. Do you go to the police and say, "I bought a water-powered generator and the foreign supplier is not delivering." You are going to get some strange looks.
There is a sucker born every minute.
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Some interesting links:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ccb-sddc/fraud-fraude-eng.htm
Mass Marketing Fraud
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The RCMP has undertaken a joint task force / integrated approach with our partners to combat the problem. In 2001, the RCMP joined PhoneBusters as a full partner with the Ontario Provincial Police. Examples of integrated projects that involve domestic and international partners are projects COLT (Montreal) and EMPTOR (Vancouver). These alliances have been successful in identifying and arresting international criminals.
The Internet is becoming a medium of choice for mass solicitation by these types of criminals. Internet based fraudulent solicitations originating from West Africa are reported to the Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre at a rate of 1000 to 1500 per day. Partners continue to better educate and safeguard Internet users. This is driven by a guarded approach - "Recognize it, Report it, Stop it." If people believe they have been a victim of mass marketing fraud, they can lodge complaints through their local police detachment or the Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre at 1-888-495-8501.
http://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/english/index.html
How To Report Fraud
It's not always easy to spot a scam, and new ones are invented every day. If you suspect that you may be a target of fraud, or if you have already sent funds, don't be embarrassed - you're not alone. If you want to report a fraud, or if you need more information, contact The Canadian Anti- Fraud Centre:
Ways to report fraud
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The new online reporting tool has a timeout feature that will log users out if there is no activity within the reporting application for 20 consecutive minutes. After 19 consecutive minutes a message will pop-up asking the user to reset their session timer for another 20 consecutive minutes or logout. If the user is logged out the information will be lost.
On-line: https://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca
Toll Free: 1-888-495-8501
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Email: info@antifraudcentre.ca
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Big Fish Story:
http://pesn.com/2014/10/28/9602558_Greg-Potter_tells-me-to_wait-two-weeks-to-plan-my-visit/ (http://pesn.com/2014/10/28/9602558_Greg-Potter_tells-me-to_wait-two-weeks-to-plan-my-visit/)
Another thing Greg shared with me is that they moved out of their factory facility yesterday to move to a much larger, more secure facility, because they want to quadruple the rate of production they had initially planned on (previous plan: 400/month). (Sterling's comment: That will still be ~1000x less than the demand once people realize this is real.) They saw someone out front taking pictures of their facility yesterday, which accelerated the urgency of move. "Everything is out of the building, as of 3am." For their security, I won't convey the exact number of hundreds of thousand square feet he cited for the new facility, but I will say it is impressive.
You may as well milk it for all that it's worth....
Big Fish Rebuttal from PA32R:
Moved out of their facility yesterday? I was barely able to move out of a one bedroom apartment in one day. Yet he was so overwhelmed by the orders that he: 1) decided he had to move; 2) secured another facility; 3) packed up all his manufacturing facilities, office facilities, inventory (remember, he's showing completed units and claiming to manufacture them), etc.; 4) notified his employees and vendors; 5) secured transportation; 6) moved and at least unloaded all of the above. Sure.
"Number of hundreds of thousands of square feet" implies that "number" is at least one. So you're stating that the new facility is at least 100,000 square feet. That's at least 2.3 acres minimum. An acre is about the size of an American football field, so over two of those AT A MINIMUM? And he secured in on a day's notice? This cannot be taken seriously.
Poor Stuart wigged out on PA32R's comment.
I despise reality shows and never watch them but we sure could use one called "Scambusters!!!" Plan B is to call a toll-free number.
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I kid you not...
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If it's listed on PESN,then it's a guaranteed flop-non working device,as all the others posted on PESN by Stirling.I just love the way Stirling jump in on these !so called! free energy devices-->what a way to make a buck-from a scam.
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@tinman.. the karpen pile is listed on pesn and that is definitely not a scam
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@tinman.. the karpen pile is listed on pesn and that is definitely not a scam
It's also not an OU device,or free energy device either. It's a long lasting battery that has been running a motor that uses an extreemly low current.
But none of this matters to me ATM,as i have just found something(by chance)while working on another device that knocks all this crap out of the ball park.The time is comeing for something real.
Enjoy
Brad
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@tinman..bullshit.test for faraday's equivalency law and you'l get a very rude awakening.I don't want to start arguing about that now but hey,what's your system based upon
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Profits, in my opinion, most of the time you are deluded. Take the example of you not accepting that this is being pitched as an over unity device.
The next major steps in this very familiar storyline arc are the excuses for not making the December 15th and subsequent delivery dates.
Meanwhile, they are claiming that they have working devices, but you will not see any serious attempt to demonstrate that. For example, in their lobby they set up a system driving 5 kilowatts worth of space heaters for one full week and they invite guests and the media to come and observe the demonstration, wile streaming the whole thing live over the Internet via Skype or some other streaming service with live people and analog clocks in the video frame. The whole nine yards with excited volunteers taking 12-hour shifts to monitor the demonstration.
Now don't forget, that the "secret box" process that is allegedly inside this device will revolutionize the world, and prevent millions of people from dying from starvation and not having access to potable water, and the free energy could be used to make non-arable land arable, and so on. It could be used to run desalination plants to supply fresh water to where it is nost needed. They could start designing a 100-megawatt pilot plant that runs on rain water using "the process." They just have to license the alleged technology to a power plant builder. This could all start in earnest over the next 12 months.
It's the alleged process that really counts, not the stupid "portable generator." That's what people have to realize. The problem is that there is no process. The "process" is two or three Joe Blows that are smart enough to try to run an Internet scam selling free energy portable generators because they know there are people out there that will believe them and part with their hard-earned money. That's the real process.
So again, with all of that on the line, the salvation for literally millions of people, you would think that absolute and irrefutable proof that it is real and it works before December 15th would be in order.
But NO! They want to sell you portable generators so that you will be okay in case of a power blackout. You WILL NOT see absolute and irrefutable proof that this alleged world-changing technology is real before December 15th. Just wait for your portable generator to show up at Home Hardware, that's the ticket. So you sit here like Buddha not questioning anything and waiting for a portable free energy generator that is a cool orange colour instead.
You have to start thinking to see how ridiculous this whole farce is. Really thinking and analyzing situations instead of being comfortably numb.
All of you "waiting for the exciting roll-out of the portable free energy generators on December 15th" need to WAKE UP and stop being sheep.
Not a single person will ever get delivery of a portable generator from these con artists. Sterling at this point is borderline mentally unstable and he is seemingly incapable of seeing what is really going on. The factory moving in one day into a new location the size of two football fields is RIDICULOUS. You can tell from looking at the clip and from the satellite shot of the place in Oshawa this is a two or three person amateur con job. The clip was shot in some Joe Blow's back yard.
MileHigh
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Does anyone know for sure that the Karpen thing isn't a hoax?
Someone might be charging it every so often.
John.
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what's your system based upon
NMR?-and it's looking good.
I am now able to draw power from two isolated stator core's,and absolutely no reflection on the P/in(scope/CVR measured). The higher i raise the frequency,the lower the P/in,and the higher the P/out from the two core's(yes-two electrically isolated laminated steel cores).Lift the frequency high enough,and it blows the LED's to hell. ;)
Rather than bog up this thread,you can follow on the!my crazy project! thread.But nothing will be posted just yet,as it is being looked over(hopefully)by a couple of people in the know.
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I kid you not...
It won't be long now until Peswiki is a reseller of the water powered battery in a box.
OK dumb question: if it has such a big water tank and you have to fill it every 3 days where does the water go ?
1) Evaporates (don't tell me as well as pinning lots of things and making lots of noise we boiling water as well)
2) Spills out on the floor. Maybe that's why you use it next to the pool.
any other ideas.
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That's a fundamental question that yahoo promoters of "water powered" devices never answer: What lower energy state material does the water convert into as it supposedly releases the energy they claim?
PESN already promoted an empty box as a magic energy generator. Even when the obvious BS was explained, the intrepid Sterling Allan still planned a trip to see the magic rusty box: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=183247495049420&story_fbid=635013103206188 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=183247495049420&story_fbid=635013103206188)
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Does anyone know for sure that the Karpen thing isn't a hoax?
Someone might be charging it every so often.
John.
It is not a hoax,and it is not something special.Some people assume that because it has been running for a long time,it must be some sort of OU,or free energy device(dosnt consume anything to make energy),and thats bollocks,as energy CANNOT be created,only transformed. The sun has been burning for billions of year's,and it will burn for a few billion more. But eventually it will burn out and implode. The carpen pile will NOT continue to put out energy as long as the sun will,but for some reason some people think the carpen pile is wonderous,and the sun is nothing out of the ordinary ???.
Like the sun,the carpen pile consumes matter to create energy.
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The sun is converting matter to energy via nuclear fusion. Batteries like the Karpen pile operate by chemical reaction.
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The sun is converting matter to energy via nuclear fusion. Batteries like the Karpen pile operate by chemical reaction.
Chemicals are a form of matter,and they are consumed ;)
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Magic Rusty Box, that's a new Linux distribution, isn't it? ;D
Just the thought of Sterling soliciting funds for the return flight to go see the Magic Rusty Box cracks me up.
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Magic Rusty Box, that's a new Linux distribution, isn't it? ;D
Just the thought of Sterling soliciting funds for the return flight to go see the Magic Rusty Box cracks me up.
That episode was so insane. The promoter told sterling that the rusting steel base plate was made of special pyrolytic material. Some people really will believe anything. If I remember correctly, Sterling combined that visit with some other stops in Silicon Valley.
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String and Door...
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@mark E @minnie.. gibberish.take 20milligram nickel thinfoil(alfa aesar) and shove it in a karpen setup and do a faraday equivalency test and come tell me what happens in 3weeks time.you must listen to what school textbooks tell you to do.if pesn has this on its website then what else does it have on its website
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Chemicals are a form of matter,and they are consumed ;)
To many decimal places, the energy released or absorbed in a given chemical reaction is the result of differences in energy of chemical bonds before and after the reaction. The total beginning and ending mass are for all practical purposes are the same. One can make a closed cycle where by adding energy back one can get back to the original feed stock. In a nuclear reaction some mass converts to energy.
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@mark E @minnie.. gibberish.take 20milligram nickel thinfoil(alfa aesar) and shove it in a karpen setup and do a faraday equivalency test and come tell me what happens in 3weeks time.you must listen to what school textbooks tell you to do.if pesn has this on its website then what else does it have on its website
You have been offered the opportunity many times to assemble an experiment that supports your claims vis-a-vis the Karpen cell. If and when you come up with some interesting evidence, I will be happy to take a look.
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@tinman wow sounds interesting I'l be cheking that experiment out.solid state is the way to go
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@mark E I already gave you plenty chance to shove nickel and MnO2 into washing soda and test if the textbooks statements on catalytic spillover are true.Its not my loss if you are hesitant
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@mark E I already gave you plenty chance to shove nickel and MnO2 into washing soda and test if the textbooks statements on catalytic spillover are true.Its not my loss if you are hesitant
LOL, some people never learn. You make the extraordinary claim. It is up to you to provide evidence for that claim.
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Quote from mark E:'That's a fundamental question that yahoo promoters of "water powered" devices never answer: What lower energy state material does the water convert into as it supposedly releases the energy they claim?'....
End quote
If you raise the energy state of water,then drop it,you might get interesting effects
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Quote from mark E:'That's a fundamental question that yahoo promoters of "water powered" devices never answer: What lower energy state material does the water convert into as it supposedly releases the energy they claim?'....
End quote
If you raise the energy state of water,then drop it,you might get interesting effects
LOL Let's see if you can spot the flaw in your logic as it pertains to GDS.
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@mark E you can't tell me that without knowing exactly what's going on in gds device.ie.obtaining one and tearing it apart
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@mark E you can't tell me that without knowing exactly what's going on in gds device.ie.obtaining one and tearing it apart
LOL. GDS makes phony claims of a water powered generator that is in reality a battery in a box. For whatever motivation you see fit to defend their idiotic claims.
Have you figured out your logical error yet?
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@mark E you can't use the word phony until the device has been tested per the company claims.how about that for logic
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@milehigh why was the device whisked away from alibaba after the tinselkoala crusades
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@mark E you can't use the word phony until the device has been tested per the company claims.how about that for logic
LOL. Not only can I, I already have.
You are free to try and prove me wrong. Start by demonstrating using any means you like that a claim such as theirs to a water powered generator can be true. Conjure up 25MJ or so from a liter of tap water.
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@milehigh why was the device whisked away from alibaba after the tinselkoala crusades
In three words, one likely answer is: Fear of prosecution.
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@mark E you can't use the word phony until the device has been tested per the company claims.how about that for logic
Get real Profits. The burden of proof is on GDS to prove that their claims are real. Without that proof they can safely be considered to be phony. You have to get this logic into your head. People that believe claims without any proof because they want so much to believe them are sheep, like I stated in my previous post.
@milehigh why was the device whisked away from alibaba after the tinselkoala crusades
Crusades my ass, it's called critical thinking skills. What are the chances that some unknown dude making a video in his backyard in Oshawa has totally revolutionized the production of energy for the entire world? The answer is about nil and the burden of proof is on that guy to prove it. Do you see any physical spears or maces attacking the guy? There is no "crusade," that's just hysterical rhetoric.
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@mark E the laws governing entropy are being challenged from high up(proffessors,phd's etc) at an accelerated pace every day thus if you take some time to actually listen to these people you might start seeing claims such as these gds with less emotion and more analytical fervour.give em some benefit of the doubt.50/50.and if it was vanished from alibaba due to fear of getting frauded then why still say they gonna release it soon and move to factory?
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Crusades yes @milehigh.would you be willing to sell a miracle-gen in public after all the websites scream 'over there!' Try slip into kim kardashian's shoes for one day
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Yes I would be willing to sell my working miracle generator no matter what any web site said because it would actually work. Likewise, I would undertake to prove definitively to a skeptical audience that it worked with some sort of a credible test with credible witnesses.
Why should I worry if my product actually worked? Think of when the first 'magic' microwave ovens came out. All that you had to do was put a cold glass of water into the oven and then remove a hot glass of water 60 seconds later. That must have overridden the objections of the skeptics pretty quickly.
Now, if you want to be a believer, why aren't you asking for definitive proof yourself? Why do you believe without proof?
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Lol @milehigh yeah right I don't believe you for a second.if your prepared for michael jackson-type fame and and the mental(or even physical) imprisonment that comes with that then you're a glutten for punishment.a hundred people will suit you,a hundred people will love you
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@mark E the laws governing entropy are being challenged from high up(proffessors,phd's etc) at an accelerated pace every day thus if you take some time to actually listen to these people you might start seeing claims such as these gds with less emotion and more analytical fervour.give em some benefit of the doubt.50/50.and if it was vanished from alibaba due to fear of getting frauded then why still say they gonna release it soon and move to factory?
LOL Profitis: Neither you nor GDS have provided any evidence that water is fuel. Neither you nor GDS have provided any evidence that their absurd claims could possibly be true. Keep trying.
The fact is that they have withdrawn open sale of the phony product offering. They have promised they will be back mid December. Promises are not deliveries. If you don't know that, may I offer you an opportunity to buy from MagnaCoaster? Or, better yet Mike Brady is out of jail and insists that his Perendev motor works. For a small finder's fee, I can point you to him.
Yeah, sure that's it they need to move to a big old factory. That's why they've been advertising their premises as an indoor parking lot.
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Crusades yes @milehigh.would you be willing to sell a miracle-gen in public after all the websites scream 'over there!' Try slip into kim kardashian's shoes for one day
You are confusing your scams. SHT pitched a line of clothes to the Kardashians. This is GDS that we are talking about.
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@milehigh why was the device whisked away from alibaba after the tinselkoala crusades
Probably because both he and AliBaba realize that it's actually illegal to offer for sale something he does not have and that will not work as he claims. Did you see the part where he claimed to have between 11 and 50 employees? But he still answers the phone himself, and there isn't anyone parked in his parking lot. Maybe they all carpool, or park inside. Or maybe he doesn't actually have that many employees at all. What do you think?
Do you really think that I, by posting a few true statements on two rather obscure forums, have such mighty powers? I wish.
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Yes I would be willing to sell my working miracle generator no matter what any web site said because it would actually work. Likewise, I would undertake to prove definitively to a skeptical audience that it worked with some sort of a credible test with credible witnesses.
Why should I worry if my product actually worked? Think of when the first 'magic' microwave ovens came out. All that you had to do was put a cold glass of water into the oven and then remove a hot glass of water 60 seconds later. That must have overridden the objections of the skeptics pretty quickly.
Now, if you want to be a believer, why aren't you asking for definitive proof yourself? Why do you believe without proof?
If he really was smart enough to find a way to convert water to HHO or other fuel source with a net gain in energy to the tune of 15 kilowatts he would have
1) filed a patent with every patent office on the planet (multiple countries including canada do not allow you to file a patent after disclosure to the public )
2) when the patent was granted or at least a patent pending number provided sent an email to every billionaire on the planet saying have i got a deal for you...
Or
3) if he was not financially motivated (greater good and all that stuff) he would have released the plans under an opensource licence.
After all if this really did work it would be worth several trillion dollars to the holder of the patents and solve the worlds energy problems so why would he be peddling generators using a video he shot on a handycam and uploaded to youtube.
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It is truly amazing how fake devices get so much attention,while actual ideas and thoughts get passed by. My video on the fake free energy coil has already made me 22 cent's on youtube. So it will only take another 63694267 days for me to make my first million-disgarding inflation.I could knock that time down to 6369.4267 days if i make another 10,000 videos that feature fake devices.
Of course i would have to make them all today,and have them posted by tonight :D
I reckon i have as much chance as GDS dose at having a water powered generator ready for release by mid december 8)
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The burden of proof is on GDS to prove that their claims are real. Without that proof they can safely be considered to be phony. You have to get this logic into your head.
The 'burden of proof' may be assumed by anyone
who wishes to activate that burden. 8)
Your claim is that it is 'phony' yet you yourself
provide no 'proof' to support your opinion. :o
People that believe claims without any proof because they want so much to believe them are sheep, like I stated in my previous post.
As in the case of the 'Official Storyline of the
9/11 Tragedy.' Thankfully, the Architects and
Engineers and the Airline Pilots have offered
proof that the 'official' story is bunk. ???
Funny though, how many 'sheep' have fallen
for the 'official' deception... ::)
Crooked is as crooked does. ;)
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I will take some liberties and edit your quote to make it more accurate.
"Thankfully, some Architects and Engineers and the Airline Pilots have offered what they consider to be proof that the 'official' story is bunk."
But I am willing to bet you that a majority of architects, engineers, and airline pilots would disagree with the people that you are referring to.
How about you don't get away with derailing this thread this time to promote your agenda? Start you own thread or threads if you want to talk about these issues.
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I wish I had saved the link of the video where this 80ish lady stated not long after 9/11 that 'anybody who can't see that the US gov was behind this is a god dammed idiot'.
That was someone applying common sense to what she saw only.
Another more famous quote applies here...'You don't need to be weatherman to know which way the wind blows'.
Regards...
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The 'burden of proof' may be assumed by anyone
who wishes to activate that burden. 8)
Your claim is that it is 'phony' yet you yourself
provide no 'proof' to support your opinion. :o
Water is not fuel. Is that a surprise to you?
As in the case of the 'Official Storyline of the
GDS' phony claims have nothing to do with the 'Official Storyline' of 9/11, or any of the events of 9/11.9/11 Tragedy.' Thankfully, the Architects and
Engineers and the Airline Pilots have offered
proof that the 'official' story is bunk. ???
Funny though, how many 'sheep' have fallen
for the 'official' deception... ::)
Crooked is as crooked does. ;)
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How about you don't get away with derailing this thread this time to promote your agenda? Start you own thread or threads if you want to talk about these issues.
When you open the 'door' with generalities regarding
the question of 'truth' and 'claims' and 'sheep' etc.,
please do not be surprised if someone walks through. ::)
My 'agenda' is simply to expose deception and find
Truth. Really not any different than what you claim
your own agenda is. It is common to most discussions
here in fact and shared by many; where 'claims' are
controversial. 8)
You have demonstrated through your numerous opinions
that your search for truth is narrow in scope and limited
in breadth. You are on the one hand, a self-proclaimed
'debunker' yet, on the other hand, are the classic 'sheep.' :o
There are obviously some 'Truths' which are far too frightening
to be fully examined. Better to just resort to 'sheep' behavior
in order to avoid the 'upset' or the possible discomfort of
rocking the boat of public perception. ???
Firmly rooted in the 70% region of your bell curve. ;)
An average 'Joe.' ::)
Is the GDS 3 KW power unit anything out of the
ordinary? Probably not. In due time the Truth
will be established. :)
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When you open the 'door' with generalities regarding
the question of 'truth' and 'claims' and 'sheep' etc.,
please do not be surprised if someone walks through. ::)
My 'agenda' is simply to expose deception and find
Truth. Really not any different than what you claim
your own agenda is. It is common to most discussions
here in fact and shared by many; where 'claims' are
controversial. 8)
You have demonstrated through your numerous opinions
that your search for truth is narrow in scope and limited
in breadth. You are on the one hand, a self-proclaimed
'debunker' yet, on the other hand, are the classic 'sheep.' :o
There are obviously some 'Truths' which are far too frightening
to be fully examined. Better to just resort to 'sheep' behavior
in order to avoid the 'upset' or the possible discomfort of
rocking the boat of public perception. ???
Firmly rooted in the 70% region of your bell curve. ;)
An average 'Joe.' ::)
Is the GDS 3 KW power unit anything out of the
ordinary? Probably not. In due time the Truth
will be established. :)
Thats just how science work's SeaMonkey-you make a claim that refutes known science,and you have to back it up.It would be much the same if i claimed i could walk on water,i would have to prove it before you or anyone else would believe me :o
Come mid december,there will be a statement by GDS that they need an extention on the release date-we see it all the time,and we will see it again with this device. It will eventually fade away in the distance,like so many before it. There will also be many more to come,so get ready. ;)
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Thats just how science work's SeaMonkey-you make a claim that refutes known science,and you have to back it up.It would be much the same if i claimed i could walk on water,i would have to prove it before you or anyone else would believe me :o
Come mid december,there will be a statement by GDS that they need an extention on the release date-we see it all the time,and we will see it again with this device. It will eventually fade away in the distance,like so many before it. There will also be many more to come,so get ready. ;)
Potter has already closed down his office deleted his alibaba entries and moved to an undisclosed 100k + square foot facility (cough) so my guess is he has already received a stack of money for pre orders and is .....
Don't worry when he does finally disappear a conspiracy theory will emerge that the (insert government illuminati secret society here) has kidnapped him because his water powered battery in a box really worked.
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Nink:
I pretty much agree and of course everything said by GDS is suspect and could be a lie. He may indeed be capitalizing on this burst of publicity that he got and he could be lying about "refusing and cancelling orders." So he decided to take the money and run.
I thought of a new possible and related scenario. He originally just wanted to lay low. He had his YouTube clip that he could monitor and delete comments if necessary. Then he had his Alibababa PayPal links. So if you assume that he would mostly be getting PayPal down payments from customers in Asia, on the other side of the world, he would be more insulated by distance from frustrated customers that made their 50% down payment and got nothing. Possibly he could fly under the radar like this for quite a while, processing two or three down payments per month and not being noticed.
But now he has been noticed. The views on his YouTube clip went up like crazy and now there are people in Canada and the United States that want to order. They want to order, they are much closer, and now there is a GDS footprint on many over unity forums. That is a big down-side for him because if he takes local orders, and with an elevated web presence that he has no control over, people will talk online about the failure to deliver. People will also talk online about the "burning water" scam, which is very well known.
So now he is too exposed and too high-profile to get away with taking down payments and doing nothing. He knows that many new people are aware of him and will monitor him online for all to see. He has lost control. So the best next move is to take the money and run and just disappear. His M.O., "flying under the radar and scooping up the down-payment cash" has been busted due to over exposure. He knows that he can play Sterling on the phone or in email, they are like his typical customers. But he knows that he could never get away with an actual visit from Sterling, that would bust him. At this point in time Sterling is smart enough to not let another South African-type fiasco happen. The South African deal still boggles the mind. He makes all this effort to go to South Africa, and then only watches the device in operation for 20 minutes and states that he is "convinced" that it is real.
So perhaps the GDS guy can't stand the heat in the kitchen. He has been busted by overexposure, so his only option is to run.
Note the irony in this possible scenario. It's the old cliche about people that monitor Sterling's web site to find the con artists out there. PESN is like flypaper for con artists. GDS is a fly that landed on the flypaper, but was smart enough to break away. So with this scenario nobody should be surprised if GDS goes completely dark.
There is no "secret new factory" that he relocated to in a single day. It's a euphemism for "I am taking the down payment money while I still have the chance and disappearing."
MileHigh
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And it's a safe bet to assume that he has no CSA, UL, or CE approval for his "generator." That in itself can bust him.
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That is not entirely true MH.
Companies ship their uncertified products all the time to Canada. I work with countless pieces every day, and I have in the past as well.
All you need is a "special inspection" sticker applied to the device to have it legal in Canada. These can be applied on a case by case basis. Just call CSA and ask them to come out (or take your unit there).
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OK so I figured I would build a water powered engine. Now don't just think I took a CD rom with magnets on it and taped it to a drinking bird. I think I am going to be short about 14999.999 Watts https://twitter.com/NINK/status/528252772291207169
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That is not entirely true MH.
Companies ship their uncertified products all the time to Canada. I work with countless pieces every day, and I have in the past as well.
All you need is a "special inspection" sticker applied to the device to have it legal in Canada. These can be applied on a case by case basis. Just call CSA and ask them to come out (or take your unit there).
Now _that's_ a video I'd like to see.
"Er, Mister Potter, you say this device runs on _water_? Here, let me hook up my test equipment and a proper load bank to it."
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OK so I figured I would build a water powered engine. Now don't just think I took a CD rom with magnets on it and taped it to a drinking bird. I think I am going to be short about 14999.999 Watts https://twitter.com/NINK/status/528252772291207169
That's just a small scaling and optimization problem. Investors need to get in on the ground floor now.
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That's just a small scaling and optimization problem. Investors need to get in on the ground floor now.
You are absolutely right, I just launched a new company Drinking Bird Systems (DBS) and I am taking pre orders now. Don't forget to buy my tshirt /sarcasm
BTW it appears you can no longer buy the tshirt from GDS, did anyone get one ?
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You are absolutely right, I just launched a new company Drinking Bird Systems (DBS) and I am taking pre orders now. Don't forget to buy my tshirt /sarcasm
BTW it appears you can no longer buy the tshirt from GDS, did anyone get one ?
When PESN picks-up on your discovery, I hope that you will give them an interview.
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Hi all,
I like to add my two cents to this GDS Technologies, I believe it's not what they have claimed.
Working with water power projects in the past you can clearly see when Greg Potter( I could not find this person on the internet of any past comment) showing the machine running with the top off and in 5:00 video time.
You can see the dc motor running and a belt powering a permanent magnet generator or pressure pump but, that turbine was not spinning at all.
If this was a water power turbine, you would expect to see the turbine spinning, why was it stopped?
I did a few calculation and eveny time I adjust pressure & volume need to produce power in a water turbine it's always showing a loss.
AS we all know that hp= PSI * GPM/1714 is the amount of mechanical work needed.
Everytime I try to get power output their is a 50%-60% lost due to friction and other factors. No different then a gasoline engine producing 1 kw taking up to 2hp in mechanical work in gasoline engines and 1.5 hp for diesels.
I believe it's another scam when you start looking at the numbers.
Tom
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In an interesting development it appears the same company and person has a company in Mexico. It was established in 2010 according to the website.
I published a story outlining the details
http://revolution-green.com/gds-water-generator-moves-mexico/
May be purely coincidental lol
Kind Regards
Mark
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A ten to 100 million dollar turnover with 10-100 employees... and his fax and voice numbers are the same. Riiight. What do you get when you actually call that number?
Where is any evidence that he has ever sold a product in Mexico?
Mexican addresses are hard to decode, but when I look in Google Earth for that address in Villahermosa, Tabasco, I see what looks like a mixed lightindustrial-residential area. More likely to be a simple mail-drop (the "Unit 106" is a giveaway).
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At DBS we have had some recent major scientific breakthroughs on the water powered generator. Today we solved the depreciating water level issue through the addition of a patent pending* Fuel Dispensing System. We are adding a garden hose attachment next week.
NEWS HEADLINE We have also had a major breakthrough, we have made a significant capital investment and our upgrading our generator to increase energy output by 100% Yes that's right this new upgrade will double our energy output**
* Pending until we work out how to file a patent, can you file a patent on something we purchased from the store.
** Adding a second drinking bird
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I see you've doubled up on everything... smart move!
One might wonder how you generate power from water without a running stream, pond or river, but I see you have a setup of many coils and magnets make up for the amount of energy required for each application... Also very clever!
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A ten to 100 million dollar turnover with 10-100 employees... and his fax and voice numbers are the same. Riiight. What do you get when you actually call that number?
Where is any evidence that he has ever sold a product in Mexico?
Mexican addresses are hard to decode, but when I look in Google Earth for that address in Villahermosa, Tabasco, I see what looks like a mixed lightindustrial-residential area. More likely to be a simple mail-drop (the "Unit 106" is a giveaway).
He appears to have disappeared. It appears was original GDS Energy Management Consultants. Orignal domain was GDSenergy.ca (domain now deleted but still in wayback machine) but there was an issue and apparently no one got paid back in 2011 and there was a quick relocation to mexico. http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Gds-Energy-Management-Consultants-Ltd./reviews Greg Potter deleted all his contacts on linkedin but he is still there as the owner https://www.linkedin.com/pub/greg-potter/20/335/246
The building he was in 727 Wilson is back up for lease, Looks like it was Pepi's pizza before he moved in and then OSCAN ? A greg potter in oshawa used to own a fast food place called Pita Pita Express.
http://www.espacelistings.com/details_industrial.asp?id=29079&language=english&property_group=&property_group_id=&state_id=&guidkey={35B8E1D8-743A-4344-8CDC-C707697C3110}
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At DBS we have had some recent major scientific breakthroughs on the water powered generator. Today we solved the depreciating water level issue through the addition of a patent pending* Fuel Dispensing System. We are adding a garden hose attachment next week.
NEWS HEADLINE We have also had a major breakthrough, we have made a significant capital investment and our upgrading our generator to increase energy output by 100% Yes that's right this new upgrade will double our energy output**
* Pending until we work out how to file a patent, can you file a patent on something we purchased from the store.
** Adding a second drinking bird
Aren't you worried that the second unit may cause overheating or a harmonic disturbance?
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Good find, Nink.
http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Gds-Energy-Management-Consultants-Ltd./reviews (http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Gds-Energy-Management-Consultants-Ltd./reviews)
Skipped out on payroll and building rent, employees "greeted by bailiff".... what a hoot. This guy is evidently a scammer and fraudster from way back.
A company with an excellent product, but no business sense
Manager Administration (Former Employee), Oshawa, ON – May 27, 2012
Very disappointed with the daily operation of the company; the President and CEO left the country for Mexico, abandoned his responsibilities to the existing staff, defaulted on building lease and payroll. Staff were greeted by a Bailiff on the last day of April, 2011 and no one was paid.
What was the "excellent product" and who has one that we can talk to?
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Aren't you worried that the second unit may cause overheating or a harmonic disturbance?
LOL Yes I am very concerned about spontaneous combustion but based on the lessons learned from GDS Energy for Water Powered Generators I will adhere to strict 12 hour duty cycle and then let it cool down for a few hours before restarting.
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As I understand it his unit at 727 Wilson Rd South Oshawa, ON Canada L1H 6E9 is up for lease:
http://www.espacelistings.com/details_industrial.asp?id=29079&language=english&property_group=Industrial&property_group_id=1&state_id=62&guidkey={95808515-FE6E-4DC2-819A-5164D7EF6AD3}
But three weeks ago Potter posted an ad for people to use the 727 address to park their trucks and farm equipment during the winter.
GDS have removed their street address from their web site.
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LOL Yes I am very concerned about spontaneous combustion but based on the lessons learned from GDS Energy for Water Powered Generators I will adhere to strict 12 hour duty cycle and then let it cool down for a few hours before restarting.
That's smart thinking.
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Wow, you guys did some amazing digging on this creep. He stinks to high heaven. The chances of seeing some magic boxes on December 15th was zero, and with this new information, it's an even firmer zero. We have found a "Jian Ghomeshi" of the Canadian free energy scene.
Sterling, Stuart, Chet, are you listening?
Greg Potter, are you listening?
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Well, as long as the guy doesn't turn out to be connected or affiliated with Stevious HAARPer, former ala Jimmy Savile BBC presenter or any of the pedo popes, there still remains a faint ray of Hope...sans Girl that is.
Regards...
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Hi All,
I have been saying this from the start, you can fool people sometime, but not those that question everything
Tom.
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Now it's starting to make sense. Where in Ontario will you find an open poolhouse with a thatched roof, hanging baskets full of tropical plants? There is no way this video was made in Canada.
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The sad thing is that all of this information that has been dug up will likely be ignored by Sterling. That means that Sterling facilitates the operation of what is allegedly a criminal organization. Everything points in that direction. Chances are in a few months he will have simply forgotten this episode and he will be embracing another criminal operation that displays the same M.O.
There seems to be very little accountability by Sterling for all of the schemes that haven't panned out. South Africa anyone? You wonder if those South Africans are still trying to pitch their "QMoGen" or if they have disappeared completely.
Now, if this thread prevented five people from putting a down payment on a 5-kilowatt fake generator then that's $12,500 that could be better spent elsewhere. Like buying some books and clothes for your children, as an example.
Some people may think it's "crazy" to make a call on this before December 15th. Well, just watch this space and see what happens.
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The sad thing is that all of this information that has been dug up will likely be ignored by Sterling. That means that Sterling facilitates the operation of what is allegedly a criminal organization. Everything points in that direction. Chances are in a few months he will have simply forgotten this episode and he will be embracing another criminal operation that displays the same M.O.
There seems to be very little accountability by Sterling for all of the schemes that haven't panned out. South Africa anyone? You wonder if those South Africans are still trying to pitch their "QMoGen" or if they have disappeared completely.
Now, if this thread prevented five people from putting a down payment on a 5-kilowatt fake generator then that's $12,500 that could be better spent elsewhere. Like buying some books and clothes for your children, as an example.
Some people may think it's "crazy" to make a call on this before December 15th. Well, just watch this space and see what happens.
Sterling being a self claimed religious man seems at odd's with his religion -->lead us not into temptation :o
Seems to me he is quite easly led up the garden path that has $$$$ signs at the end.It would not be in Sterlings best interest for the truth to come out too quickly,as the chance of making a buck would deminish quite rapidly ;)
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I have not been able to follow all the collected information here regarding Mr. Potter
nor how you fellows qualify these things and take them as facts?
I am in the middle of a Medical Issue which is weighing heavy at the moment,
can someone summarize the more credible "accusations" and I will Call Mr.Potter tomorrow.
thx
Chet
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Honestly I am personally not accusing Potter of anything. He has never stated overunity, He has stated his engine runs on water but I don't know if he has specifically stated "the water inside the generator is the only fuel source". I think we have been exploring all possibilities and principles that his generator could use to only "run on water" and have quickly ruled these out. Based on the components we have been able to identify inside his "generator" he appears to be only consuming energy not creating it.
If Mr Potter does come back and says he has invented cold fusion, we are able to validate his claim and he manages to obtain world wide patents before full public disclosure, please ask him to give me a call as I would be happy to help negotiate a 9 digit figure.
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Honestly I am personally not accusing Potter of anything. He has never stated overunity, He has stated his engine runs on water but I don't know if he has specifically stated "the water inside the generator is the only fuel source". I think we have been exploring all possibilities and principles that his generator could use to only "run on water" and have quickly ruled these out. Based on the components we have been able to identify inside his "generator" he appears to be only consuming energy not creating it.
If Mr Potter does come back and says he has invented cold fusion, we are able to validate his claim and he manages to obtain world wide patents before full public disclosure, please ask him to give me a call as I would be happy to help negotiate a 9 digit figure.
He states that there is no other fuel source. 1:20 "Water goes in here, not fuel of any kind. ... This tank here four gallons should last three days."
The home page states: "GDS is a manufacturing company in renewable energy. We have developed a portable water powered generator that creates a large amount of energy to run our portable generators that generate power simply by adding water. Spending money on expensive gasoline is a thing of the past. We have found a way to produce energy by adding clean tap water."
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I have not been able to follow all the collected information here regarding Mr. Potter
nor how you fellows qualify these things and take them as facts?
I am in the middle of a Medical Issue which is weighing heavy at the moment,
can someone summarize the more credible "accusations" and I will Call Mr.Potter tomorrow.
thx
Chet
You can see from the video that the location where it was shot is in a place where one can have an open-air poolhouse with a thatched roof. Have you ever spent a winter in Ontario? I have. Please ask him where the video was made.
You can see from the video at the 5 minute mark that the Pelton wheel/PMA assembly is _not turning at all_ while the device is allegedly "running on water". Please ask Gregory Potter to explain this, and do not let him off the hook. It would be nice if you could record and publish the call, like Sterling did with his phone interview.
You can see from the links provided that a "Greg Potter" skipped out on building lease payment and employee payroll back in April of 2011. Please ask him to explain this. Was that a different Gregory Potter, a different GDS? Is that link a lie? Has he made good on what he owed people from that incident?
You can see from the links provided above that there is some "GDS" business in Villahermosa, Tabasco, Mexico claiming to have a ten million dollar turnover and oodles of employees, but their fax and voice phone numbers are the same number. What do you get when you call _that_ number, I wonder? And how does a big factory wind up with a "Unit 106" kind of maildrop address in a mostly residential area?
Ask him if he has successfully refunded the PayPal payments and any other money he might have gotten for "selling" this thing, and if he can provide any proof that he has done so.
Of course... all this presumes that you are even able to contact him at all. My bet is that you won't be able to, but I will be happy if you can prove me wrong on this one.
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Tinsel
thanks for stepping up.
I will call Mexico Too.
Chet
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Hi All,
I believe I said the same thing a while back, why was the turbine not spinning...
You know I have better things to do then play with who is right or wrong, I said this was a scam from the start after I did some calculation.
I think some people just want to believe in free energy, that they over look the details of input verse output of energy.
I'm done, won't be adding another post on the forum!
Tom
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In addition to all that tinselkoala has pointed out, one might note a couple of other things in the video:
Potter's first word is: "Hola".
The video has available Spanish subtitles that include his 3000 Watts per hour idiocy.
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There are some more questions.
What is the process at play? Since this alleged process would completely revolutionize the entire world energy scene, why is he trying to sell portable generators? Aren't there bigger fish to fry, like working with government, science, and industry to develop commercial-scale electrical generating stations?
What is the alleged base (primary) output of the native free energy process? We know that we can take mechanical energy to power a generator to generate electricity. Sometimes we generate the mechanical energy with heat, for example like when we boil water to drive a steam turbine. So is the base output of the process heat? Is the base output of the process direct mechanical energy? Is the base output of the process direct electrical energy? Is the base output of the process direct chemical energy? If the base output of the process is direct chemical energy, then what is the form of the chemical energy? How does the base output of the alleged over unity process eventually become the generator output, what are the conventional steps taken to go from <free energy process output> to <electrical output>?
How does the base output of the alleged free energy system relate to the requirement for water? If water is "consumed" in the process, what are the waste products after the water is consumed?
When will a proper demonstration of the device be shown that proves the stated specifications of the device? Typically we expect a demonstration where at least 10 times the stored energy in all of the batteries is expended during the test. How will this type of test be implemented? How will it be demonstrated? How long will it be demonstrated for? How will the output be measured? How will the water consumption of the device be measured? What steps will be taken to make the demonstration as convincing as possible if you assume that one is operating under the constraints of generating a video clip or possibly doing a live streaming event? Will there be independent third-party witnesses that can attend any kind of demonstration? How will any possible witness verification of the alleged system be documented?
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He states that there is no other fuel source. 1:20 "Water goes in here, not fuel of any kind. ... This tank here four gallons should last three days."
The home page states: "GDS is a manufacturing company in renewable energy. We have developed a portable water powered generator that creates a large amount of energy to run our portable generators that generate power simply by adding water. Spending money on expensive gasoline is a thing of the past. We have found a way to produce energy by adding clean tap water."
I have no doubt water goes in the water tank and not fuel in the water tank. He keeps using that statement on facebook, website etc "We have developed a portable water powered generator that creates a large amount of energy to run our portable generators that generate power simply by adding water" but what does that mean?
I get the feeling the way it was actually originally designed to work was you connect a hose, the water hits the pelton wheel, charges the battery and then when the battery is charged you can use the power in the battery to run some small devices for a short period of time.
Interesting concept and probably useful for supplementing power using mains pressure water. You place the generator on the roof of your house and connect it to your house water supply ( think there must be an exit tap underneath the generator), you also connect your garden hose to the tap on the generator. If you had an external tank on the roof as well that held several hundred litres of water it would work even better, You turn the hose on fill the tank while spinning the pelton wheel and charging the batteries. There looks to be all the parts necessary to do this. The tap has an auto shut off valve he mentions the one way check valve in the video on the tap. Now the water tank is drained and filled again if you turn a tap on in the house, The pelton wheels will once again spin as the water enters the generator and leaves the generator and enters your house, again providing power to the batteries.
I think that was the original purpose an energy scavenger using mains pressure water. It looks like it was then modified and a 12V DC motor was added to spin the permanent magnet generator and this is where I get a little confused....Why go 12V DC to PMG to Inverter instead of battery direct to Inverter apart from some noise and watching stuff spin.
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Sure, that makes some kind of sense (except that a tank on your roof isn't going to be enough head to produce the stated power output).
But how do you explain the fact that the Pelton Wheel and attached Permanent Magnet Alternator assembly is not turning at all during the video demonstration?
And there doesn't seem to be any outlet on the bottom of the unit.
(I've made a high-resolution copy of the video, which I will excerpt, analyze and post to my YT channel when Gregory Potter finally snaps and removes his video.)
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In addition to all that tinselkoala has pointed out, one might note a couple of other things in the video:
Potter's first word is: "Hola".
The video has available Spanish subtitles that include his 3000 Watts per hour idiocy.
Ho-ho-hola!
His accent is lousy, though.
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I have no doubt water goes in the water tank and not fuel in the water tank. He keeps using that statement on facebook, website etc "We have developed a portable water powered generator that creates a large amount of energy to run our portable generators that generate power simply by adding water" but what does that mean?
They claim that the device uses no fuel. See for example the immediately following declaration:
"We have found a way to produce energy by adding clean tap water."
I get the feeling the way it was actually originally designed to work was you connect a hose, the water hits the pelton wheel, charges the battery and then when the battery is charged you can use the power in the battery to run some small devices for a short period of time.
I am not so generous. But supposing that it was: If one had a 8'/s water running through a 3/4" diameter pipe and a pressure drop of 40 psi, then there is about 190W. For one hour of use at 5kW it would take more than a day of running that water using about 2200 cu ft. Around here, it costs about $3. / 100 cu ft of water. So that one hour at 5kW instead of costing $1.00 if taken from the wall outlet would cost $66. in water.
Interesting concept and probably useful for supplementing power using mains pressure water. You place the generator on the roof of your house and connect it to your house water supply ( think there must be an exit tap underneath the generator), you also connect your garden hose to the tap on the generator. If you had an external tank on the roof as well that held several hundred litres of water it would work even better, You turn the hose on fill the tank while spinning the pelton wheel and charging the batteries. There looks to be all the parts necessary to do this. The tap has an auto shut off valve he mentions the one way check valve in the video on the tap. Now the water tank is drained and filled again if you turn a tap on in the house, The pelton wheels will once again spin as the water enters the generator and leaves the generator and enters your house, again providing power to the batteries.
I think that was the original purpose an energy scavenger using mains pressure water. It looks like it was then modified and a 12V DC motor was added to spin the permanent magnet generator and this is where I get a little confused....Why go 12V DC to PMG to Inverter instead of battery direct to Inverter apart from some noise and watching stuff spin.
I think that it is all for show.
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Ho-ho-hola!
His accent is lousy, though.
"Hola! Como esta usted? Me llamo es Greg Potter. Yo soy un artisa estafador excellente! Yo quiero su dinero mucho!"
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@nink if it was potters strategy to throw some cheese onto alibaba and lure attention of boys with big toys then I think he may already have 9 figures sorted by now.get ready for another rossi,best regards
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Profitis
Do you understand this Alibaba ? Isn't this a venue for Chinese manufacturers to solicit Buyers
for their inventory?
or is it for venture capitol?
Or other??
My first impression when I heard it was on Alibaba was that his factory[*the one he contracted with in China] was soliciting orders on his machine outside of their agreement . {noted "no sales to USA"].
I have never used this Alibaba and am not familiar ??
thx
Chet
*pure conjecture on my part , at the time of our conversation the Mexican factory possibility was not in the mix.
PS[added after Profitis reply below]
On that Note [factory contract] all of the Employee claims and production numbers from Mr.Potter could be based on his agreement with his Supplier/ factory contract.
which is actually how I always perceived the "My Factory" comment from Mr.Potter.
This was a term [My Factory] I always used in Business dealings with Large volumes and specialty orders from Factories which I did business with.
Exampl
""My Factory has 100 employees working on this run""
or
""My Factory does 10 million dollars annually with this product"" [or as per agreement pryor to Contract signing]
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Alibaba is where you go if you want bulk sales to the entire globe chet so no doubt you will get the attentions you seek over there.if it is an hose-pipe powered device then yes,why leave out american sales?good question
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@MarkE @TinselKoala yep agree 5KW not going to happen unless you live next to Niagara Falls. I really think the original design was only ever meant to produce a 100 to 200W for for a short period of time from trickle charging the battery every time you turn a tap on or in an emergency when you have a power outage. The reason I said on the roof of your house was so you still have some water pressure inside the house.
@profitis e-Cat LOL
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@nink if it was potters strategy to throw some cheese onto alibaba and lure attention of boys with big toys then I think he may already have 9 figures sorted by now.get ready for another rossi,best regards
Everything we have seen so far points to this being fake, a criminal con job. I asked you before why you want to just blindly believe in an alleged free energy device with no solid evidence that it works and you ignored the question.
So I will ask you again: Why do you want to blindly believe in this device with no solid evidence that it works?
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@milehigh well in my opinion the laws of physics are so screwed right now that anything is possible.I don't rule out this device for overunity until we know precisely what's going on.
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Is GDSystems.net related ? Registered tucows Says "Not overunity" http://www.gdsystems.net/Services.html
I like these links
http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/images/ click on paypal, Suspended ?
Try this one
http://www.gdsenergy.mx/upload/GDS/public/images/
Crap, we missed the sale (resized as per request original image here http://www.gdsenergy.mx/upload/GDS/public/images/BigDiscount.jpg )
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Well you can believe what you want to believe but you provide no substance. You want to believe that "the laws of physics are screwed" because you are fixated on your perception that the thermodynamics laws are somehow wrong or they can be overcome. I don't buy it. I think I asked you why evaporating water draws heat from its surroundings and I don't think you answered. Have you ever had one of those compressed air cans in your hand and then sprayed the dust out of your computer? Your had gets very cold. Same process in action. Can you explain it?
When it comes to the laws of physics like f=ma and stuff like that, that all works perfectly. So without you providing any substance to your argument, there is nothing there.
Then, you would have to directly apply any arguments that you have about the laws of physics being screwed to this particular GDS device. You have to make a connection otherwise your argument falls flat.
In a generic sense and from my experience and feeling, the people on the forums that say "laws are just laws made by man," they themselves don't actually have a mastery over the laws that they are criticizing. It's very ironic.
Anyway, I don't really care. You will see that nothing will happen with this alleged device. It's all about getting PayPal money, nothing more than that. The fact that there are many people out there that think like you means that there is a "market." GDS is just trying to get their slice of that market, just like any other company tries to do the same thing for all sorts of other markets. This is all just an attempt to deceive people to steal their money. It's a shame that you can't see that. When they don't deliver anything, it will not be because they are suppressed or bought out. That's all part of the "marketing strategy" by companies like GDS so that they can escape and live another day to start another con. There are ugly nasty people in the world posing as the good guys. You just have to open your mind and open your eyes to see what is really going on.
P.S.: Nink, please resize your image.
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Oh, the plot thickens!
The "GDSystems.net" link says it's a TEXAS company, and has pictures of some people on the "management team":
http://www.gdsystems.net/Management-Team.html
But the whole thing looks like a Wayne Travis clone, again with no real product, just promises, deceptive images and slick web page design.
It is able to generate power locally that is scalable from 3MW to 5GW power systems.
(from the link below) Wow! 5GW! That's one heck of a liquid-gravity-magnet powered system!
But... they are playing in a big field:
http://www2.thestockmarketwatch.com/newsletters/2012/12/06/phi-group-to-jv-with-gds-global-development-systems/
The address in Houston again looks to me like a zone with some big rich apartment blocks, perhaps with a little light industrial thrown in.
1013 Van Buren Street, Houston, TX 77019
The other link is another real hoot, since Potter told several people that the "3000" unit was not going to be offered for sale, since it's wimpy and the bigger ones are cast-iron. I think it is likely that Potter's use of the "GDS" brand is just another part of his overall scam. But I wonder what the folks in Houston would say if they were called about Potter's device and claims.
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@milehigh sure you'l get your consters but why be a conster when you don't have to be a conster.I've already given you my experimental reasons why I believe the 2lot has gone awol on the other threads here.if you can flatten a profitis cell then I'l kiss you.
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Sure, that makes some kind of sense (except that a tank on your roof isn't going to be enough head to produce the stated power output).
But how do you explain the fact that the Pelton Wheel and attached Permanent Magnet Alternator assembly is not turning at all during the video demonstration?
And there doesn't seem to be any outlet on the bottom of the unit.
(I've made a high-resolution copy of the video, which I will excerpt, analyze and post to my YT channel when Gregory Potter finally snaps and removes his video.)
May be the pelton wheel is not turning because there is nothing connected to the "generator" that need power ?
May be when you need power the pump start pushing water on the pelton wheel ?
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May be the pelton wheel is not turning because there is nothing connected to the "generator" that need power ?
May be when you need power the pump start pushing water on the pelton wheel ?
Maybe. But what is the motor driving with the belt, then?
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This is how it works... no point in arguing, I know I'm correct.
1. Water provides the necessary head for the...
2. ...miniature Zed to start oscillating, which...
3. ...squeezes down on an array of MOSFETs, which...
4. ...actually sends a stream of zipons hurdling toward the pelton wheel...
5. ...generates mass quantities of energy.
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This is how it works... no point in arguing, I know I'm correct.
1. Water provides the necessary head for the...
2. ...miniature Zed to start oscillating, which...
3. ...squeezes down on an array of MOSFETs, which...
4. ...actually sends a stream of zipons hurdling toward the pelton wheel...
5. ...generates mass quantities of energy.
This fellow sounds a lot like Rose. Zipons? Mosfets? Give me a break!
Bill
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The reason the pelton wheel is not rotating is because the zipons are merely channeled through it, and the magnets/coils they've gone with, powering the motor/generator system.
Someone should do more studies on the pelton wheel, to see if different shapes receive zipons with better efficiency.
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The reason the pelton wheel is not rotating is because the zipons are merely channeled through it, and the magnets/coils they've gone with, powering the motor/generator system.
Someone should do more studies on the pelton wheel, to see if different shapes receive zipons with better efficiency.
I had to google what a zipon was and Peswiki was the first hit. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Rosemary_Ainslie Sigh! BTW I have some "water front" property in Florida for sale...
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Everything we have seen so far points to this being fake, a criminal con job. I asked you before why you want to just blindly believe in an alleged free energy device with no solid evidence that it works and you ignored the question.
So I will ask you again: Why do you want to blindly believe in this device with no solid evidence that it works?
Hi @Milehigh
I think your comment was directed at me. I don't believe this device produces 3KW to 15KW for a sustained period purely fueled by water. I also do not believe the generator could be fueled by the two batteries in the system based on what we have seen for a sustained period of time, (12 hours as per the phone conversation) but I am certainly open to being proven wrong. I also don't believe anyone has or will ever solve the problem of cold fusion based on my limited understanding of physics. I am also not someone who wants to be subjected to a law suit for slandering a person and or a company without fully understanding all interpretations of the various ambiguous statements that have been made by the CEO.
Perhaps you miss the sarcasm in a lot of my statements, so I appolagise if I appear to be endorsing the product in anyway. I am not. As I said if Mr Potter does come forward and he has managed to change the laws of physics and is able to prove this and I can verify it I am more than happy to discuss.
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Nink:
No, the comment was for Profits. Note the system will cite the author of the quoted text when you hit the "quote" button. Don't worry, I understand where you are coming from.
MileHigh
P.S.: Thanks for resizing the image.
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@milehigh sure you'l get your consters but why be a conster when you don't have to be a conster.I've already given you my experimental reasons why I believe the 2lot has gone awol on the other threads here.if you can flatten a profitis cell then I'l kiss you.
But you didn't answer my question about why when you use a can of compressed air to spray the dust out of your computer your hand gets cold. Why should we give credence to your concerns about the laws of thermodynamics if you can't answer that question?
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Because I refuse to answer to such ridiculous sarcasm that's why.what's a can of pepper-spray got to do with a 2lot violation anyway
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Because I refuse to answer to such ridiculous sarcasm that's why.what's a can of pepper-spray got to do with a 2lot violation anyway
It's not ridiculous sarcasm. If you are going to say that physics has all sorts of problems or there are ways to violate the laws of thermodynamics then the only way you are going to gain any credibility with your statements is to demonstrate competency in physics and thermodynamics. If you were truly competent in these two subjects then you would be able to answer the question without thinking. So that is a fundamental problem with your statements. I can't take them seriously because I don't believe that you know what you are talking about. In the real world you actually have to know what you are talking about if you are going to make statements like you are making. The same issue comes up with electronics all the time.
Why does your hand get colder when you use the can filled with pressurized air? How come Earth retained its atmosphere but Mars lost most of its atmosphere? Those two questions are quite closely related but it appears that you can't answer the first, and it's doubtful that you could answer the second. I will repeat, in the real world you actually have to know what you are talking about before you critique something.
But we are not in the real world, we are on a chat board. So just do your thing. If you want to deceive yourself, nobody is stopping you.
Note that the guy pitching this ridiculous GDS contraption does not know what he is talking about either. The difference is that he IS in the real word, and he is trying to feed off of other people's ignorance and harm them by taking their money and giving nothing in return. Come January, April, or July 2015 when there are no reports of a single magic box working anywhere in the world then I ask to seriously contemplate what I said here today.
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Quote fom milehigh:'It's not ridiculous sarcasm. If you are going to say that physics has all sorts of problems or there are ways to violate the laws of thermodynamics then the only way you are going to gain any credibility with your statements is to demonstrate competency in physics and thermodynamics'.
end quote
No.if YOU are competent then you will have to explain to us,using textbooks, why all karpen cells,regardless of power density last way beyond their faraday equivalency.we welcome any testable explanation.your explanation will be very important to us because it will destroy any chance of spontaneously reversable thermodynamics if true.your explanation will by default also nullify any chance that a few peswiki items might be legit
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No.if YOU are competent then you will have to explain to us,using textbooks, why all karpen cells,regardless of power density last way beyond their faraday equivalency.we welcome any testable explanation.your explanation will be very important to us because it will destroy any chance of spontaneously reversable thermodynamics if true.your explanation will by default also nullify any chance that a few peswiki items might be legit
Bait and switch is not going to work on me. Everything I stated in my previous post still applies and you haven't addressed it at all. Hence I conclude you can't explain why the compressed air can gets cold.
Responding to your "switch" I think Tinman addressed that issue with you recently. Do you know what the average power consumption of the motor device in the Karpen pile is? I doubt you do because the few times I read up on it there was no mention at all about that issue. It's possible that the average power consumption is on the order of nano-watts, just a guess. How much chemical energy is in the pile? One more time, in my readings I have never seen any mention about the estimate for the amount of chemical energy in the pile, so I assume that you don't have the answer to that either.
Let's assume for the sake of argument I am right about my two conjectures in the paragraph above. Nobody knows how much chemical energy is in the pile and nobody knows the average power consumption. So what are you left with? We are ignorant about the average power consumption of the device. We are ignorant about the estimated amount of chemical energy in the pile. So you have ignorance on top of ignorance, and yet you allege that the Karpen pile defies the laws of thermodynamics? You make reference to "Karpen cells" but as far as I am aware there is only a single Karpen pile.
Now, if you had the data and crunched the numbers, it might say that the Karpen pile will work for 150 years. Then when there is no more chemical energy left to run it, it will STOP.
Also, I just did the calculation. If hypothetically the average power consumption of the "motor" in the Karpen pile is one nano-watt, then a single Joule of energy will power the "motor" for 31.7 years.
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Quote from milehigh:'Now, if you had the data and crunched the numbers, it might say that the Karpen pile will work for 150 years. Then when there is no more chemical energy left to run it, it will stop'
End quote
You will be forced by the scientific establishment to explain a constant stable 100microamp/cm2 from precisely 1 milligram of warm gold leaf coupled to warm platinum sponge in warm H2SO4.we are waiting.. It is now in your hands to rescue peswiki and other ou-sites from possible legitimacy
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Yet another attempt to do a bait and switch? So to me that means that you have no answer for the Karpen pile like I suspected. So your argument for the Karpen pile fails.
I am not taking the "switch" that you are trying yet again. I know nothing about the experiment and I am not going to look it up. What I can say is that when metal undergoes some kind of a galvanic reaction, a lot of electrical energy and associated current is produced from the reaction. They talk about cars being powered from batteries based on aluminum powder. All "earth batteries" get zero power from the earth, it's the corroding magnesium that is the source of the power. It takes TONS of electricity to produce aluminum and magnesium. Hence they locate the production plants close to cheap plentiful sources of electrical power. When the metal corrodes, you are getting that electrical energy back.
I challenge you to look up the gold leaf experiment and do a serious analysis of it yourself. If you are just blindly believing what some free energy experimenter is telling you and you only are referencing this as your single and only source, then you are making a grave mistake.
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Quote from milehigh:'I challenge you to look up the gold leaf experiment and do a serious analysis of it yourself. If you are just blindly believing what some free energy experimenter is telling you and you only are referencing this as your single and only so'
End quote
This experiment is repeatable by anyone anywhere anytime
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Profits:
You will be forced by the scientific establishment to explain a constant stable 100microamp/cm2 from precisely 1 milligram of warm gold leaf coupled to warm platinum sponge in warm H2SO4.
You have to learn how to think logically. You are not even specifying a time frame. That's the elephant in the room so your statement is meaningless. On top of that if there were some kind of anomaly with this experiment and it was easily repeatable, then it would be a big deal and everybody would know about it. Clearly this is not he case. I can remember in chemistry class looking at chemical reaction formulas where some some reactions absorbed electrons or gave off electrons.
So, one more time, you have two logical fails. No time frame and no existence of a ubiquitous experiment with an anomaly. You have to think these things through.
Anyway, let's end this debate because it's drifting far off topic.
MileHigh
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This is how it works... no point in arguing, I know I'm correct.
1. Water provides the necessary head for the...
2. ...miniature Zed to start oscillating, which...
3. ...squeezes down on an array of MOSFETs, which...
4. ...actually sends a stream of zipons hurdling toward the pelton wheel...
5. ...generates mass quantities of energy.
That all makes it very clear.
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Quote from milehigh:'I challenge you to look up the gold leaf experiment and do a serious analysis of it yourself. If you are just blindly believing what some free energy experimenter is telling you and you only are referencing this as your single and only so'
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This experiment is repeatable by anyone anywhere anytime
Fantastic! Perform the experiment yourself with proper controls, record the whole thing and then present it along with your analysis and conclusions.
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Lol @milehigh.. I don't think you understand.I challeged you to do a standard faraday equivalency test by the book not by my imagination. You have failed to provide us with satisfactory explanation for karpen phenomena.best regards,profitis
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@mark E..milehigh wanted to know why I'm openminded to the potter claimsi so I gave him the reason.I'm not going to do experiments for you that you can do for yourself easily at home
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Profits:
I am not making any claims that are out of the ordinary and I am not doing any experiments. Now if you are a claimant, and you are making claims that are out of the ordinary, then the burden of proof rests with you to do some experiments to back up your claims.
You always try to invert the process and state, "prove my extraordinary claims are NOT true." Start using your head and using proper logic. The burden of proof rests on your shoulders if you make an extraordinary claim to prove that it IS true.
That is never going to change and you have to live with it.
MileHigh
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Profits:
I am not making any claims that are out of the ordinary and I am not doing any experiments. Now if you are a claimant, and you are making claims that are out of the ordinary, then the burden of proof rests with you to do some experiments to back up your claims.
You always try to invert the process and state, "prove my extraordinary claims are NOT true." Start using your head and using proper logic. The burden of proof rests on your shoulders if you make an extraordinary claim to prove that it IS true.
That is never going to change and you have to live with it.
MileHigh
Bravo, now write and repeat 100 time profits. Complain as much as you want but it will not change the current status quo.
"Show me the data" means lets see how you conducted your experiment and analysed the outcome.
Please listen to MH and you may then be taken more seriously
You will always have supporters and believers (look at Sterling) but denying logic and scientific process is really a matter of faith. ego and self delusion.
I like you and your rants, so consider this tough love
Kind regards
Mark
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Here is an old ad I found for GDS before they had the original financial issues back in 2011. They were providing energy saving consulting services and sold a range of products that save a few watts here and there. Example LED light bulbs, solar panels, compressor optimizes, power monitors etc. this fits back with my theory the GDS 3000 was originally just a device that used your regular mains pressure tap water usage to generate small amount of power. http://www.hotfrog.ca/Companies/Gds-Energy-Management-Consultants
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OK
If you fellows continue to treat this thread Like the funny Papers
then you will have to go elsewhere for info.
I spoke with Mr.Potter a few minutes ago ,he will allow us to do a black Box demo in Mid December.
I explained a brief protocol which would require Run times an order of magnitude greater then
the batteries involved.
"NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER " was the reply.
Also he is the same company in Mexico.
Quite honestly I am interested in Nothing more than qualifying This Claim.
PERIOD
respectfully
Chetkremens@gmail.com
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Now it's mid December not 2 weeks from now? Ok I am in, PM me time and location and I will go to Oshawa.
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OK
If you fellows continue to treat this thread Like the funny Papers
then you will have to go elsewhere for info.
I spoke with Mr.Potter a few minutes ago ,he will allow us to do a black Box demo in Mid December.
I explained a brief protocol which would require Run times an order of magnitude greater then
the batteries involved.
"NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER " was the reply.
Also he is the same company in Mexico.
Quite honestly I am interested in Nothing more than qualifying This Claim.
PERIOD
respectfully
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Quite Honestly... I am surprised, nay, shocked actually that you were able to reach him at all. Did a secretary answer the phone or did he pick up himself? I guess he hasn't yet been able to milk enough cash out of this to vanish -- again --, just yet.
Where are the answers to the questions you said you were going to be asking him?
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Now it's mid December not 2 weeks from now? Ok I am in, PM me time and location and I will go to Oshawa.
Heh... don't make your airline reservations just yet. I will wager that there will be no demo in mid December.
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Heh... don't make your airline reservations just yet. I will wager that there will be no demo in mid December.
I can't see why we can't do this right now. He said it has been working for 2 years. We could go out this week, run a 12 hour load test (he said it runs for 12 hours) with 3KW / 5KW etc (depending on model).
I am really confused!
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I can't see why we can't do this right now. He said it has been working for 2 years. We could go out this week, run a 12 hour load test (he said it runs for 12 hours) with 3KW / 5KW etc (depending on model).
I am really confused!
You are only confused because you haven't read the script!
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Events:2013:August:Chuck_Pierce%27s_Regen_Demo (http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Events:2013:August:Chuck_Pierce%27s_Regen_Demo)
(After the first paragraph, scroll down and read the "blog" in chronological order going up...)
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Tinsel
Chet
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Quite honestly I am interested in Nothing more than qualifying This Claim.PERIOD
Thx
Chet
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Ya @markdansie.maybe I shud listen to you and do what is considerded a standard procedure,a full-blown experimento with flashy lights an go same way as rossi(and now potter) wif sexi one word answers,'bes regards','we are completing it','this is correct','I likey you',hasta lavista bapay' lol.this line of mentality appears to work with these kids here on ou lol
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@milehigh I hear you I hear you man but jus remember you asked the queshun.I gave a straight answer
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Tinsel
Chet
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Quite honestly I am interested in Nothing more than qualifying This Claim.PERIOD
Thx
Chet
Godspeed ramset.
Just do the best you can relative to effective measurements...be true this December.
:MarkSCoffman
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Ya @markdansie.maybe I shud listen to you and do what is considerded a standard procedure,a full-blown experimento with flashy lights an go same way as rossi(and now potter) wif sexi one word answers,'bes regards','we are completing it','this is correct','I likey you',hasta lavista bapay' lol.this line of mentality appears to work with these kids here on ou lol
Yes its hard to beat logic and reality. Rossi failed to present his case in an acceptable, repeatable way. This water powered device is just a scam and not even wasting time over. And like every other overunity and perpetual motion claims (although there are some interesting ones like your pet project that cant be fully explained) they all end up on the scrap heap...theory unsupported.
No room for semantics
Kind regards
Mark
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Chet:
I spoke with Mr.Potter a few minutes ago ,he will allow us to do a black Box demo in Mid December.
I explained a brief protocol which would require Run times an order of magnitude greater then
the batteries involved.
"NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER " was the reply.
Great, so the next step is to not fall for any potential bait and switch. Ask him to define the setup and the test protocol right now. Ask him to write a spec that can be shared on this thread. Ask him to have it ready within two weeks. The spec should have pictures of the device under test and all of the load components and all of the measurement components. The duration of the test must be specified and the four batteries need to be specified for make and model number.
So he allegedly has a 5-kilowatt device. What will the power output be during the test? What will his load be and how will it be wired up? Will there be one or more scopes to look at the voltage waveform and the current waveform? No scopes is a non-starter as far as I am concerned. I take nothing for granted, and the voltage waveform has to be scoped. Do you need a HV probe for 320 volts peak-to-peak voltage readings? (Showing my lack of familiarity because I never had a reason ever to look at mains power with a scope and I have forgotten things like max input range with a regular probe.) What current sensing resistor will be used? For sure there are industrial current sensing resistors for high power applications. If he doesn't have one he can order one on DigiKey. Or, will he use clamp-on meters? Or a current probe? It would be preferable to see two or more live measurements of the current with two different methods. What makes and models for all of this equipment? It would be a requirement to see a clear unambiguous measurement of the output power for the observers all of the time during the test. What kind of load? 5 kilowatts is a LOT. So will the load be implemented with baseboard heaters? Which baseboard heaters? If the answer is yes can you bypass the rheostat so they don't shut down?
There is absolutely no need for monkeyshines with respect to the load. No changing of the load during the test, like connecting a power drill, etc. That's crap. What would be preferable in my opinion would be something like a baseboard heater load where people can actually FEEL the heat generated. Chances are most of the time hot air would have to be blown out a window with fans connected to the regular mains power. It all has to be in the spec. No crap like, "Oh sorry, we didn't realize the room was going to get so hot so we have to shut the test down prematurely." No CRAP like that, period.
Where will the test take place? Is there proper air circulation? Will there be seating for some independent observers?
I am just rattling stuff off of the top of my head. TK is the real person for precise information and recommendations because he has the real-world experience. MarkE and Picowatt may also have some expertise.
I am just sketching out minimum requirements so there no bogus nonsense or potential for bait and switch subterfuge going on. Do you remember the Steorn demo where the "bearings got too hot under the lights." Remember the second Steorn demo with nonsensical Perspex pulse motors?
Do you get it Chet? We have to see a spec that is fleshed out so that when people go, they know what the layout will be, and they know what the setup will be right down to the load components and all of the measurement components.
A spec must be generated by GDS if they want to be credible. I am sure by now the GDS guy is reading this thread. Pleas call/email him and get it going. There simply can't be a repeat of Sterling's South African fiasco.
MileHigh
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@mark E..milehigh wanted to know why I'm openminded to the potter claimsi so I gave him the reason.I'm not going to do experiments for you that you can do for yourself easily at home
Nor do you seem inclined to produce any other evidence. Yet, you bemoan that people do not take your claims seriously.
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Here is an old ad I found for GDS before they had the original financial issues back in 2011. They were providing energy saving consulting services and sold a range of products that save a few watts here and there. Example LED light bulbs, solar panels, compressor optimizes, power monitors etc. this fits back with my theory the GDS 3000 was originally just a device that used your regular mains pressure tap water usage to generate small amount of power. http://www.hotfrog.ca/Companies/Gds-Energy-Management-Consultants
That's an interesting find. Legitimate retail didn't work out for them so they decided to run a perpetual motion scam from Mexico.
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Tinsel
Chet
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Quite honestly I am interested in Nothing more than qualifying This Claim.PERIOD
Thx
Chet
I have no doubt about your honesty, Chet. And I am interested in qualifying This Claim too, and that is why I asked you if he answered the phone himself or did a secretary answer it. I think that most companies with tens of employees, operating in a hundred thousand square foot factory, would probably have someone to answer the phone for the Boss, don't you? But they do do things a little differently in Canada, I suppose. Although I never saw a thatched roof on an open-air pool house when I was up there.
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Tinsel
Chet
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Quite honestly I am interested in Nothing more than qualifying This Claim.PERIOD
Thx
Chet
Chet, thanks for chasing this.
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We can cut him some slack if he doesn't have a fax machine because fax machines are finally truly dying. lol
In theory, they should _already_ have a test bed for a sustained 5 kilowatt load.
The test spec with the measurement protocols is everything Chet and if it doesn't make it to this thread then forget it as far as I am concerned. This is not "excessive," what I am saying is absolutely real.
I just remembered a classic load configuration for something like this. You can put electric oven elements inside a metal cage. You can buy 2000-watt electric oven elements on eBay for $40 USD. You also need the interconnect wires with the insulation that can withstand high temperature. Al long as you have a reliable method to dispose of 5 kilowatts of heat power you are good to go.
MileHigh
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MH
As you are aware, I worked hand in hand with test labs most of my life.
and freelanced on sight testing in the most hazardous and horrific conditions
over the same period.
Here the claims are outlined and The test protocol is brutally simple .
Mark Dansie
I Understand your position and respect your right to an opinion ,for myself
To have prejudice without investigation is the height of arrogance
and at the very least a strong path to ignorance.
here there is an offer to investigate,and we shall....
you need not waste another breath here.
respectfully
Chet
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Chet:
I was not aware of that. I thought that you were some type of building inspector.
Here the claims are outlined and The test protocol is brutally simple .
That makes me uncomfortable. It sounds like you are brushing me off. If it is brutally simple then it should be brutally simple for GDS to create the test spec.
To have prejudice without investigation is the height of arrogance
and at the very least a strong path to ignorance.
Quite a bit of investigation has already been done, including making a lot of intelligent inferences. You speak of ignorance, the other side of the coin is willful ignorance with respect to what has taken place in this narrative so far. You have to remember, the scenario that you don't want to consider is that you are dealing with people that put on a nice face but they want to steal other people's money. This is clearly a distinct possibility that cannot be ignored.
So, a spec is required and we will see what happens.
MileHigh
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protocol will be outlined here
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2662.msg42833;topicseen#msg42833 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2662.msg42833;topicseen#msg42833)
MH
In 1993 when the world trade center was bombed the first time, the chief engineer for the port authority requested my presence.[they owned the buildings]
I Don't know where you get the term "building inspector".
I never ever worked in such a capacity.
I appreciate your concern for my time ,please feel free to address the test protocol as it forms[over these coming weeks].
respectfully
Chet
PS
I apologize for the lack of time I can spend here
these days I make furniture for Children with special needs and I must stay focused
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Sad news one of the drinking birds commited suicide last night. I do not believe it had anything to do with the working conditions despite comments and concerns regarding tethering workers to a CD and making them work 24/7 while giving them nothing but water. As a result I have given up trying to harness power from water. With some magnets and a few windings, a bridge rectifier and capacitor you can flash an LED every minute or so but my calculations that with 2 drinking birds I could run 3 air conditioners appears to have been a little off.
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Don't worry Nink I have already developed a Solid State Drinking Bird that far outperforms the mechanical version. My SSDB has no moving parts, no coils or magnets or diodes or even capacitors, it will keep an LED lit continuously for days and is activated by a single drop of water. Unfortunately this drop of water has to be replaced with a new one when it dries out, but other than that, my device will run the LED for days before it needs to be... er.... reconfabulated. And it's no bigger than a thumbnail.
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Chet:
Thanks for the link to OUR and I know that there are good people there that know what they are doing.
The reason that I have pushed hard on this testing issue is because I have seen so many of these things degenerate into ridiculous farces. I have also seen you become very passive in situations like this and it gets you nowhere. It's very frustrating to see that.
With respect to the test specification, it is never simple. You may have expertise in testing methods for buildings (or whatever you do) but that does not necessarily translate into testing for electronic circuits. A spec is being developed at OUR and I am quite sure it will be very good. The problem is that it is just a piece of paper or some bits sitting on a hard drive. What guarantees do you have that Mr. GDS will follow your test protocol? Right now I am assuming that there are none, and that opens the Pandora's Box for GDS to come up with a bunch of excuses.
You should give the document to GDS and have them generate their own test spec based on your document. You should clearly have a complete picture of what will transpire when people go to GDS before they go there - from GDS themselves. Get them to take ownership and produce their own spec based on the OUR spec.
Then do you know what is going to happen? If they produce a spec that looks legitimate they will bow out at the last minute and call it off. Do you know why? The reason is that they don't have a magic box, period. Tons of information is pointing in that direction and you don't want to look at it. If they produce a test spec based on the OUR spec then they have no choice but to bow out because they won't be able to deliver. They will make up an excuse like a sickness or a car accident or a death of a member of the family or a close friend. You will have effectively smoked them out and they will run away. That would be a victory for the truth.
I think TK put up the link for the guy from 2012 that was supposed to send a big lumbering box to Sterling that would power his house. It never happened. The same thing will take place with respect to GDS.
You can get annoyed as much as you want. The only thing that I have to do is watch the clock run out. There are no magic beans for a vine that climbs into the clouds coming from GDS. They are a rank amateur bunch of clowns that can't string five sentences together about their alleged product that make sense. And sorry, but you do deserve some flak for buying the lame excuses from the other two jokers. You have to realize that in sincerely trying to do good on your part, you can easily become a facilitator for criminal activity.
Have GDS put their name to a test protocol before anybody considers visiting them.
MileHigh
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Hi Chet,
Thank you for continued perseverance into the matter whether positive or negative.
Hi All,
If speculating at an easier design with less moving components this patent looks like it would use the full force of the pumped water.
Patent Application US2005/0103004 A1 - Velocity Intensifying power system
https://www.google.com/patents/US20050103004
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DTB how is that any different than the perpetual motion Archimedes screw water wheel machine designs that have never worked?
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DTB how is that any different than the perpetual motion Archimedes screw water wheel machine designs that have never worked?
Hi MarkE,
Exactly, no matter how we arrange the equation it will end in equivalency.
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I see how it works you plug a huge battery at 13. Sigh!
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MH
As you are aware, I worked hand in hand with test labs most of my life.
and freelanced on sight testing in the most hazardous and horrific conditions
over the same period.
Here the claims are outlined and The test protocol is brutally simple .
Mark Dansie
I Understand your position and respect your right to an opinion ,for myself
To have prejudice without investigation is the height of arrogance
and at the very least a strong path to ignorance.
here there is an offer to investigate,and we shall....
you need not waste another breath here.
respectfully
Chet
Hi Chet,
I work in a lab everyday with engineers, scientists and sometimes inventors. The only way to move forward.
However you do not always need a test result to verify something, you can draw on past experience and know the limitations of components.
So here I see batteries, I see inverters, I see a water container and I believe there is a pelting wheel and a pump. All of these components are under 100% efficient so its not hard to conclude a not supported results. There is a lack of data, methodology or any critical analysis. You can also do the background checks on the inventor, not promising.
So we can disagree, and once again head down the road where I can comfortable say you will be disappointed once again. Lets face it the track record is not good for overunity claims.
However i encourage you to seek the tests, the data and look at the methodology. For that I would applaud you.
Kind regards
Mark
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Mark
the history is self evident and by default , so is the skepticism.
Very very easy Job .
some folks here have a gift ,a talent for stating "THE PROFOUNDLY OBVIOUS" and treating it like
a Gift from on high.
respectfully
Chet
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Chet:
Your efforts are appreciated but you have a track record of going dark when things don't go as you were hoping for. At least that is my impression.
If you can let us know the milestones and what happens with this endeavour that would be appreciated. As long as you give us both the good news and the bad news then that would be you giving us the straight goods and not going dark.
All that I know is that OUR is generating a test spec and GDS is indicating that they will cooperate. But will they they be transparent? Will they respond to the spec? Will they state exactly what they are going to do? Are people seriously going to make arrangements to visit them? What will the results be?
Nobody is asking you to write a book, but once every week or two you can post to this thread indicating what is happening. That seems reasonable to me.
If GDS looked credible I would state that. Unfortunately, they don't look credible and this does not look promising. That's the straight goods from me.
This is from PESN:
RE: Water Powered Generator
GDS Technologies
727 Wilson Rd South Oshawa, ON Canada L1H 6E9
phone: +1 905-576-4888
email: sales@gdstechnologies.ca
As I said I would, I've sent a trusted friend to 727 Wilson Road South in Oshawa, Ontario Canada.
He went by the end of last week and he took these pictures at 10AM this morning.
No one around... Certainly doesn't look like an operation set up to do 400+ units a month.
Anyone got a correct address for these guys?
May the blessings be.
George Wiseman
Know what that means to me? It means the whole time he was claiming he had a business and a production facility in that building, the building was actually empty. George Wiseman saw an empty building up for rent with no discernible sign that there ever was a business there set up to manufacture free energy generators. The whole time you have been talking to this guy he has been at his house.
So, that raises the following question: Where is the demo going to be done on December 15th? If it will be taking place at somebody's house I expect you to tell us that. That's why I made a big deal about having fans to remove the 5 kilowatts of heat generated (in the long-shot that you actually see that) because my expectation is that the demo is going to take place in somebody's two-car garage. The talk about a 100,000 square foot production facility is just nonsense as far as I am concerned. Chances are the demo is going to be in a garage.
Think Chet: You haven't sold a single generator, and you are setting up in a 100,000 square foot facility? Are you buying production line equipment, fork lifts, air compressors, air tools, inventory? Are you hiring production workers, quality managers, production engineers, purchasing people, planning people, service techs? Can't you see how riduculous it is? You can't go from zero to a giant factory without having sold a single machine. It's absolutely and utterly ridiculous. Just like the story about moving everything in a single day to the alleged new facility is absolutely ridiculous. This is just a case of reality being stranger than fiction. The fact that he can say this stuff and seemingly get away with it may make him a bit too cocky and he may make a slip up and then the whole house of cards will come tumbling down. The talk about this giant factory with a secret address is ridiculous.
MileHigh
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Mark
the history is self evident and by default , so is the skepticism.
Very very easy Job .
some folks here have a gift ,a talent for stating "THE PROFOUNDLY OBVIOUS" and treating it like
a Gift from on high.
respectfully
Chet
I am a simple man with one request, show me the data.
Mark
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Mark
With one addendum
Qualified, Quality data.
respectfully
Chet
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@MH: If the demo is to be held in a garage in Oshawa, you won't have to worry about removing 5kW of heat with fans, etc. Just crack the garage door open a little bit. If it's not frozen to the tracks, that is.
http://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Canada/Ontario/Places/oshawa-temperatures-by-month-average.php
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MH
several times recently I have started some threads here ,spoken with the fellows that were relevant to the thread and always hoped beyond hope that I could invite the inventors to a discussion.
many here know that's what I like to do [do it elsewhere all the time] , after all I am fervently Open source .
MH If you peed in the punch bowl while smirking at the Host you could not be more disrespectful of this thread and My intent.
and now you want to help??
I have always respected you and never given you cause to treat me this way [or my hopeful guests]
There are some wonderful and talented people in this community ,with skills to boot.
Your offer to help is an invitation I cannot accept at this time,
Please resist the temptation to continually treat your fellow man like some inept ignoramus that would drown in a rain storm whilst staring slack jawed into the sky.
or send untold fortunes to the acc't of some scammer.
Enuff already...............
Chet
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TK:
Yes, you don't have to remind me, the days are ticking by. Canadian winters have been better, but you still get nasty ones.
I was a fan of NYPD Blue in the 90s. I used to love it when the detectives would interview the perp. The detectives knew 'the game' and could extract the truth from some con artist that started out all smug with his fake story. They could see right through them. By the end of a hard-ball interview the perp was turned into a trembling basket case and the detectives got at the real truth. Denis Franz who played Sipowicz was great at that.
That's a good analogy for what's taking place here, except for the fact that you can't interview the perp directly. But you can get his initial smug storyline and see all the holes in it and all the BS in it. You can see right through them. If only to be Sipowicz and have one of these guys in a room.
It's a thankless thing also. You look like the 'bad guy' all the time. Look at how you and I called the BS on Fix the World and the QEG months ago. Did anybody ever post, "Hey thanks guys you were right?" It never happens.
Well, when this little house of cards crumbles to dust, let's see if anybody has the guts to thank the people that made the call early enough to prevent some other people from throwing their money away. Quite a few of us have called this one as being BS. It takes just a little bit of character to thank people for sharing their wise opinions, many that come from real-world experience and a real-world education. Often the opinions come from just plain common sense.
MileHigh
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Chet:
I know that I am pushing. I don't have to push any more, I made my case. I know that you like to do these things also. I don't have an answer for you for that. But truly, I have made my case and I won't repeat myself.
I have asked you to keep us in the loop. I have asked for a stringent serious test to be done. I have made my case for why this won't work. If someone is serious about making a down payment and does their due diligence chances are they will read this thread. That's the real reason the comments are made. If they make an informed decision and decide to make a down payment it's their choice.
So that's it. I will wait to see what happens.
MileHigh
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I am a simple man with one request, show me the data.
Mark
Who needs facts and data, we have have smoke and mirrors. I think its great we have a test plan but unless that entire chassis is made of graphene super capacitors it is going to be fairly obvious after 12 hours at full load if this thing is generating power or just flatening batteries.
Do we know the model we are testing ? The 3000 or is it the obviously photoshopped 5000 10000 or 15000 model.
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Good points Ramset.
If I were in charge of this site, I would Permanently DISBAR the Trolls & Nay Sayers in a New York Minute!!!!
There are a few here that have NEVER, EVER contributed anything positive!!
They are nothing but a NEGATIVE DRAIN on innovative positive ideas!!
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FatBird
I get the QEG thing, It is a complete spectator event for this forum No invite or input whatsoever
Zilch....
Shadow Boxing ...
However
this is the second time in a few months that I have started a thread with the exact same scenario,
speaking with an inventor who extends an invite to investigate .
a sophomoric infantile gafaw filled orgy proceeds,its like a frat house filled with imature Kids out of control each one trying to out do the other , then new children become emboldened and come here with no contribution other than to take a dump in this unflushed overflowing frat house toilet.
these EXPERTS have an opportunity to vet a claim and this is what we get ???
REALLY?
I do not address any of this to TK
i TRULY APPRECIATE Tinsel .[He busts his but here]
clean this place up and shut the lights off before you leave.....
I'll be back
I have to go count to ten and get a bandage for this bump on my head [from banging it against the wall]
can't find the cat either .... :o
Chet
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Chet, honestly look into the box and what do you see?
Look at the box when it is operating and what do you see?
Do you see any reason to believe that water which is not a fuel could power anything?
Do you see anything in the demonstration or the wiring in the box that suggests that the big lead acid battery wired directly to the DC-AC inverter is not the source of electrical power output by the box?
Set your expectations appropriately.
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Here is an older version GDS 5000 no gas no diesel uses water ( i think that what it says)
http://web.archive.org/web/20140519214913/http://gdsenergy.mx/data1/images/generador-2.jpg
Now compare that to a photoshopped gp 5500
http://www.harry-the-electrician.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/portable_GP_5500_back_handles_down__73327_zoom.jpg
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Here is an older version GDS 5000 no gas no diesel uses water ( i think that what it says)
http://web.archive.org/web/20140519214913/http://gdsenergy.mx/data1/images/generador-2.jpg
Now compare that to a photoshopped gp 5500
http://www.harry-the-electrician.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/portable_GP_5500_back_handles_down__73327_zoom.jpg
It gets even funnier. Even earlier than that May 2014 capture the wayback capture from January 2014 has them announcing after three years of R&D their water fueled generator. I wonder when they started trying to take money for these in Mexico.
Enjoy the metamorphosis:
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I kind of get the photo shop thing everyone here would be more excited by a schematic and reading on a multimeter than aesthetics but the average joe consumer wants polish.
If i understand the test will be a closed box test if it ever happens and we are being told that new models are being built so we cant assume the unit we review will be the same inside as current unit. I know if i am working on an invention i trial and error all sorts of things until i finally work it out so a lot of legacy components may still be in the system. We see a lot of things simply not even connected on his prototype box.
So if closed box and new model is there a rule of thumb we can use to calculate maximum power density of the unit assuming latest technology. Ie graphene, lithium air or lithium salt water batteries, chemical, nuclear reaction etc remember he just said it would only run for 12 hours than had to cool. So if he can come up with a way of jamming enough batteries , chemicals or whatever to generate 3000 watts for 12 hours he passes the test and get endorsed by the team.
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Good points Ramset.
If I were in charge of this site, I would Permanently DISBAR the Trolls & Nay Sayers in a New York Minute!!!!
There are a few here that have NEVER, EVER contributed anything positive!!
They are nothing but a NEGATIVE DRAIN on innovative positive ideas!!
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Burn the books, execute all the scientists that the way to proceed. Lets turn energy research into a faith where it belongs.
So go to Sterling's site they censor everything there and look at how many QmoGens they now have running.
But the scams still continue lol,
I vote for Fatbird as our fearless leader and to have the authority to censor anyone who dare suggests anything against unsupported claims.
Yeehaaa
Mark
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Mark
You would be a good fellow to ask this question .
I know that I have mentioned this soooo many times here I have no breath left.
when You first solicit an inventor and tell him you can help change his life and bring his invention to market .do you start from scratch with the prototype? higher engineers to design Mundane things like wheels and chassis, ancillary components etc etc
Or do you [like myself and THE REST OF THE WORLD] approach a factory that already makes a competitively priced good looking Unit and proceed right past the very expensive "ground Up " design stage to the meat and Potatoes of my specific needs ??
Mark, this is what you do after all, you take opensource work [when you can find it] and put it up for sale.
or should I say "Help" get things out to the world [patents and such].
but getting back to real world business models for success on a tight budget [obviously not what some here have any experience with]
This is after all how it works.
you source your needs and build your product
it may take a few factories to get you there But.
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OHH But Not here with this group of deep pocket entrepreneurs...
its more Like "giggle" snicker""
LOOK LOOK what I found !!
he's using this factories Chassis !!
and look look he has THAT factories Motor
OOH and Look he has this guys out lets ETC ETC ETC
HE DIDN"T BUILD THAT >:( >:( >:( >:(
This guy is a Crook.....
get the stones we need to Kill this thing !!
Really? ??? ??? ??
GEEEEESH
Sigh....
so you can't help yourselves
I get it....
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Chet, the problem seems to be that some people have more sensitive "bs detectors" than others. When someone comes along with an assembly of commercial off-the-shelf parts and makes extraordinary and not well supported or explained claims for the performance of this assembly... and appears to be following nearly the exact script that we have seen so many times before instead of doing it "right"... the bells and whistles start to ring loud and clear. For some people.
In the case of some claim like the present one... heck, he could do a lot worse than just shipping off to you ( or Mark D, or me, or even Sterling) one of the "about ten" items that he already has built. It would cost a lot less than round-trip airfare to his location and you could test it to your heart's content, and nobody would worry about him cheating in some way, because we trust you (or Mark D, etc) to do a good and thorough and unrushed job of testing.
He could show us the scientific papers published on his break through technology. He could show us the electric bills from his house and factory! Or some photos of the assembly line. Or even a testimonial from someone who already has one of the ones he was selling in Mexico.
But instead what he shows is the same-old-same-old thing, following the Chuck Pierce script with only minor deviations. (He hasn't started insulting his critics yet.)
I sincerely hope you do get to go see him and examine his devices, see his factory, test his claims. But this isn't in the script! The script says that he will postpone your visit, or that the device will break down just before you arrive and won't be fixed until after you leave.
If I had such a device... or ten of them... I'd be more than happy to send one off to you, MarkD, and anyone else qualified and willing to sign my NDA. But if I already had patent protection why even bother with an NDA? Unbox it, follow the easy-to-read bilingual instructions, and then test away, take it apart, do your damnedest to prove me wrong in my claims. If you can, then we are all better off. If you can't... then I am instantly rich beyond my wildest dreams, for a little while before the entire world economy collapses.
Don't be too critical of the critics, Chet... we haven't been wrong yet, as far as I can tell, and we gain nothing from being right. But, for example, Sterling... has been wrong over and over and over again, but people still send him money for his "testing" vacations to places like South Africa and Greece, etc. What is wrong with this picture?
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Good points Ramset.
If I were in charge of this site, I would Permanently DISBAR the Trolls & Nay Sayers in a New York Minute!!!!
There are a few here that have NEVER, EVER contributed anything positive!!
They are nothing but a NEGATIVE DRAIN on innovative positive ideas!!
That is not a true statement at all, Fatbird.
Some of the people with sensitive "bs meters" have made tons of positive contributions around here.
TinselKoala has been making informative replication videos for years, as well as making hundreds of educational and interesting videos covering a wide range of subjects discussed on this forum.
MarkE shares his considerable knowledge and expertize with people that are building various devices in order to help them. I even used to do that a long time ago. He also discusses and explains stuff relating to electronic circuits and myriad of other scientific matters, the list is very long.
Between myself and TK, we created the MHOP pulse motor, and TK fully documented the process in in a series of videos. That is the most advanced, most flexible, and highest performing pulse motor architecture ever seen on the forums. Ironically enough it is also very simple.
And there are many other people that I am not mentioning that criticize when they deem it appropriate, and also make similar positive contributions.
The contributions from this group of people enriches the forum and makes it a better place. Some threads have real substance and when you look at the equivalent threads on say the Energetic Forum, they are just "puff pieces."
And what about you Fatbird? In the last year you might have posted between 10 and 20 links to YouTube clips that were such amateur or obvious fakes that the threads got no attention at all. That shows that you have almost no functioning "bs meter." That is not a positive contribution to this forum at all.
So, Fatbird, hopefully this posting put your usual rant in perspective and you will acknowledge the great positive contributions that come from people that you disagree with.
MileHigh
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Tinsel
So you feel my BS meter needs Calibration ,Nah it just came back from the shop
they are however taking forever with My Crystal ball.
Some fellows here act like they are babysitting a room full of wealthy imbeciles with Dementia.
getting WAAAAY to personal with the Job at hand and how it reflects on THEM.
{below isNot addressed to Tinsel}
here I feel like I'm babysitting a room full of Egomaniacs that are too immature to just do the Job at hand ,the job which is handed to them on a silver platter.
And "THEY" don't even have to do a thing ..
just eat when the meal is ready , a nice healthy portion or if it turns out
they can serve Crow....
Nahh they are completely intent on destroying the opportunity because it is "Beneath" them
and their ilk.
then of course they will get what they want and save face....[just by some remote chance they really don't know everything there is to know about everything that's ever happened or will ever happen on Planet earth ,and maybe a few other nearby celestial bodies.]
Then they can turn on the news and slap themselves on the back ,whist complaining about the "way its done"
Egomaniacal monday morning quarterbacks in silly superheroe costumes saving wealthy Demented imbeciles from themselves.
Sigh.............
You fellows want to change the way things are done..
be that change.
here we have a chance for input on the process and all some seem able to do is write forty pages of Horsepoop and then offer an olive branch
talk about dementia ??
is this an overunity Forum??
are you _experts_ trying to be part of the vetting Process or are you putting on disguises when you leave the building so nobody knows you visit here.
are you ashamed of what we do here?
well I suppose if Nothing Changes here [vetting protocol]
nothing will....
One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
are you Guys Nuts??
Chet
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Chet:
How about live and let live? I am sorry for the hard feelings.
Here is a way of looking at it: There are two groups, A, and B, and they a discussing subject C. A and B have opposing viewpoints about subject C. From a bird's eye view: Why should group A be able to dictate what group B says? Why should group B be able to dictate what group A says?
Nothing is stopping the demo process from going forward. New information can generate chatter. You are living in the 24-hour news cycle.
MileHigh
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MH
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Nothing is stopping the demo process from going forward. New information can generate chatter.
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see the thread at OU.Com from an inventors perspective , or better yet
from your own perspective as an inventor [make believe :o ]
your kidding right??
if you guys ran around with cans of gasoline and matches whilst peeing and pooping on the table this could not be less inviting to an inventor...
you don't live by the do onto others as you would have done onto you rule...
you live by the Do onto others before they can do onto you rule...
how about we try to fix this, and you Dementia "police" try to play along??
I am out of time today
maybe this can be a line in the sand
A bench mark to move forward from
respectfully
Chet
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Chet
I am new to your forum and I want to be impartial as possible. (Maybe he has discovered some new HHO process or ....) but the "black box" demo is causing me some concern. The challenge I have is the box may just prove he can make a battery that size that can produce 130 Million Joules (3000 watts for 12 Hours). He could also use induction / chemical process etc to generate power. All we will really know from the test is he produced 3000 watts from a large box. As you well know there have been recent advances in Lithium Iron Phosphate / Graphene and various other power sources so I do not think it is unreasonable to assume he could build a 130 Million Joule battery (or super capacitor). Although it may get really hot and need to be evaporative air cooled and that would require some water and a fan :-)
So my vote is open box test with an NDA.
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In the near future There will be several other technologies being brought to this level [ready for testing]
How to proceed here [in this forum ]
can you elect a representative from your group??
or at least a spokesperson??
can there be a "CODE OF CONDUCT"
maybe a poll of the membership??
ideas?
Thx
Chet
PS
I must add,the MO for investigation here has had a most intimidating and detrimental influence on would be contributors to this forum.[inventors]
lets change that...?
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Critical review has yet to delay or prevent any working energy device from reaching the market.
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My GDS google alert just went off. Any bilingual people in Oshawa looking for a job $15 an hour
We are building a call center
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-office-manager-receptionist-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/looking-for-billigual-french-and-english-for-call-center/1030738737
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Mark E
am I to assume this thread represents your opinion of Critical review?
@NInk
I am sorry to read your contributions here represent your quality of scientific rigor.
Job applications and cut and paste investigations .
Did you just Pile on and not read the thread? did you not read the part where we have an opportunity /invitation
to perform scientific measurements of this device?? If so please explain how ANY of your contributions to this thread are of any value other than to Inflame an already volatile and at best tenuous situation?
Nink, have you ever in your life performed or contributed to such a test
in any way whatsoever??
thx
Chet
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My new toy.....
This weekend if I have time, I'll connect the water pump and see the input and output in a simple way...
To say the truth, I expect not more than what we can find in the engineering books....
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My new toy.....
This weekend if I have time, I'll connect the water pump and see the input and output in a simple way...
To say the truth, I expect not more than what we can find in the engineering books....
In my opinion the pelton wheel pump does not have good evidence for him using it. The main reason is that the water level
in the tank is not constant, so the pelton wheel generator would have vast changes in environment as the water level changes.
So it may only be there for stirring water around for cooling. Someone pointed out that the pelton wheel is too small to run
all the power through, which I think I would agree with. For example someone pointed out that the dump load controller
has not had its relay wired. The pelton wheel with a PMA alternator would require the load dump resistor circuit for regulation.
Also someone else pointed out that the pelton wheel was not running when the video demo is going on.
In my opinion what would work is if the high pressure pump is using overpressure to run the larger sump style low pressure
pump by causing it to overrun its RPM. The low pressure pump would have a constant environment as the water level would not
be changing and if the rotor is overrun the AC motor would be begin operating as a synchronous alternator with enough capacity
to circulate the whole power capacity through. An DC-AC inverter would be reserved for use as an VR and exciter for the pump
motor used as the synchronous alternator.
The control knob with arrows drawn on it is probably and oven PWM thermal controller that uses a manual input
and a local resistor element to set the PWM pulse width modulation low frequency to drive the DC input motor.
It would work like the old automobile thermal blinker unit but with manual frequency control.
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Well the above I believe would bring operational capability to the unit except that a battery charger would probably be required
to recharge the lightly wired battery.
He's going to have to bring overunity to the table but scroll pumps and chaotic water situation have both been used as people
having seen overunity situations associated with them.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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@ ariovaldo
CONGRATULATIONS on wanting to try the Pelton Wheel setup. If you go to Ebay &
search on Pelton, you will find some Pelton Wheels for sale. The nice part is that the
Ebay seller lists different specs, so you can compare things.
Thank you for sharing your findings & pictures.
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As I said, just a toy for test...
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Mark E
am I to assume this thread represents your opinion of Critical review?
I believe that both my comments and comments of a number of others have been factual and on point, yes.
@NInk
I am sorry to read your contributions here represent your quality of scientific rigor.
Job applications and cut and paste investigations .
Did you just Pile on and not read the thread? did you not read the part where we have an opportunity /invitation
to perform scientific measurements of this device?? If so please explain how ANY of your contributions to this thread are of any value other than to Inflame an already volatile and at best tenuous situation?
Nink, have you ever in your life performed or contributed to such a test
in any way whatsoever??
thx
Chet
If you have been following along you should now realize that GDS has been advertising this device since January on their Mexico web site. You should also be aware that they didn't just buy Generac units and refit them, they lifted the art and photo shopped it as I showed above with a direct overlay of Generac stock art and GDS' art. While it can be pragmatic to prototype using pieces from off the shelf gear, Photo Shopping someone else's art and representing it as one's own real product is IP theft of the art and fraudulent misrepresentation of non-existent product.
The fact that GDS have been advertising for 10 months wipes out the "Oops no one was suppose to see the September advertisements." response. How do GDS account for the fact that they have been advertising for 10 months but have no proof of their claims?
At the present moment, GDS has no identified business address.
They have shown no evidence that their extraordinary claims are true.
Their demonstrations are completely explained by noting the large batteries connected to off the shelf DC-AC inverters both visible in their own pictures.
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My hunch is that the Output is much Greater than the EBAY seller says
because it's all over the Web that a ROTATING Magnetic Field gives a
higher output.
If that isn't true, then why is GDS selling 5,000 & 10,000 Watt units
using one Pelton Wheel?
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If you want a good 3.5 kw. from your pelton wheel you'll need about 4 inch pipe
and 150 ft. head.
I can't quite see it somehow. Ask Wayne Travis, he knows!!!
John.
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The Pelton wheel in the GDS unit is nothing but a prop. The lead acid batteries and the DC-AC inverter are what produce the output electricity.
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Mark E
am I to assume this thread represents your opinion of Critical review?
@NInk
I am sorry to read your contributions here represent your quality of scientific rigor.
Job applications and cut and paste investigations .
Did you just Pile on and not read the thread? did you not read the part where we have an opportunity /invitation
to perform scientific measurements of this device?? If so please explain how ANY of your contributions to this thread are of any value other than to Inflame an already volatile and at best tenuous situation?
Nink, have you ever in your life performed or contributed to such a test
in any way whatsoever??
thx
Chet
Hi Chet,
I have worked in research for many years and have over 100 patents. I review other peoples inventions for a living. I do not believe a single closed box test in the presence of the inventor provides the necessary rigor for an unbiased and objective review process.
To perform a successful review it is imperative that you have full unrestricted access to the invention. All schematics, diagrams and any other relevant disclosure information should be provided prior to the review process. This is necessary to adequately formulate a review plan and decide on the appropriate test criteria and conditions that will be required in order to perform your analyses. You will need to identify and engage the appropriate subject matter experts based on the preliminary information provided.
It is also absolutely mandatory that the inventor is not present during the review process and if possible the review occurs in a location that is decided by the review team and not the inventor to ensure there is no possibility of bias.
If you honestly believe a single, closed box review in the presence of the inventor at the inventors chosen location will result in unbiased and accurate data for analyses of the invention will allow you to provide an informed opinion on the legitimacy of the invention, I can assure you that you are sadly mistaken.
As I stated I am open to understanding if the invention is legitimate and I am just focusing on facts and data that is publicly available on the internet. A position to hire people and grow a call center is a good example of someone making a legitimate effort to grow a business so I believe this was a relevant post.
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Mark E
If I could just state one fact which negates every single point you are making.
have you noticed in this thread that there is an invitation to scientifically measure this GDS unit?
can you state in plain english why you are not recognizing or acknowledging this very simple fact
and continually referring to completely irrelevant History that will in NO WAY reflect on this test or its outcome?
Please??
or are we going to do research on all the generator suppliers in Korea next and how their chassis seem to have come from similar vendors??
More irrelevant Photo shop garbage
More marketing mumbo jumbo from perhaps Mr.Potters childhood
or maybe a past life?
please start your own threads on this and leave this one to folks here that wish to help with this theme in a sane and focused manner.
Please
Thx
Chet
Ps
Nink
so you are posting drinking birds here, why?
making Jokes about my thread Why?
as has been stated this is not a solicitation for investors at some Patent fest
this is not a closed Box test .
Black box applies to the MO of the device and its working principle
PERIOD
For such a smart man you are exceptional here in only your rude behavior and sophomoric antics.
please start another thread .
PPS
here is an example of YOUR level of scrutiny
"I review other peoples inventions for a living"
= come show me your inventions so I can sell them or patent them after you leave my office.
similar garbage being thrown around here about Mr.Potter
Prejudice with out investigation...
quite rude
No??
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Mark E
If I could just state one fact which negates every single point you are making.
have you noticed in this thread that there is an invitation to scientifically measure this GDS unit?
I am aware that Potter has told you that under some unspecified conditions that he will allow you to perform unspecified tests at some unidentified facility supposedly sometime after December 15. This is despite that he claims to have 10 units now, and has been advertising units since January on his Mexico web site.
can you state in plain english why you are not recognizing or acknowledging this very simple fact
and continually referring to completely irrelevant History that will in NO WAY reflect on this test or its outcome?
Promises of future deliverables are just promises. Potter's and GDS's history is entirely relevant as is the plain simple fact that water is not fuel, as is the same fact that Potter has demonstrated a battery packaged in a box with an inverter.
Please??
or are we going to do research on all the generator suppliers in Korea next and how their chassis seem to have come from similar vendors??
Chet, I have already stated that I don't have a problem with anyone gutting OTS goods to build prototypes. I do object when people such as Potter / GDS present Photo Shopped images of someone else's equipment as their own gear.
More irrelevant Photo shop garbage
More marketing mumbo jumbo from perhaps Mr.Potters childhood
or maybe a past life?
Chet if you don't think it is relevant that Mr. Potter represented an image he edited as a picture of real product, then to me it looks like you are trying to bury your head deep in the sand.
please start your own threads on this and leave this one to folks here that wish to help with this theme in a sane and focused manner.
Please
Thx
Chet
Chet do you believe the thread is best served by getting down to facts, or promoting preconceived fantasies? If it is the former then you should welcome all discussion of the facts, whether or not you agree with anyone else's conclusions. If it is the latter, I have no respect for that. May I point out your OP?
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GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« on: October 26, 2014, 02:24:26 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg
all info and comments welcome
thx
Chet
Have you changed your mind about welcoming comments and information?
Ps
Nink
so you are posting drinking birds here, why?
making Jokes about my thread Why?
as has been stated this is not a solicitation for investors at some Patent fest
this is not a closed Box test .
Black box applies to the MO of the device and its working principle
PERIOD
For such a smart man you are exceptional here in only your rude behavior and sophomoric antics.
please start another thread .
PPS
here is an example of YOUR level of scrutiny
"I review other peoples inventions for a living"
= come show me your inventions so I can sell them or patent them after you leave my office.
similar garbage being thrown around here about Mr.Potter
Prejudice with out investigation...
quite rude
No??
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Mark
so you [resident Expert] have no interest in the testing discussion at this time..
your primary interest is a shadow boxing, single party fraud investigation of an old advertising
campaign by Mr.Potter ?
and Yes I am no longer interested in anything but the recent Test agreement which supersedes and
negates any other concerns by Default .
To reiterate, of what value is historic single party advertisement analysis to an ongoing Proof of advertised claims Test protocol?
this Test will clear up all concerns
ONE WAY OR THE OTHER...............
END OF STORY!!
all other concerns will be MOOT.
thx
Chet
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Chet,
I must apologize for my comments as there has been an obvious misunderstanding on my part. I had made in my error, the assumption, due to the ludicrous nature of the inventors claims, without any supporting evidence, that this thread was placed here purely for the purpose of providing comic relief.
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Nink
you are correct in your perception , this Expert Panel does this here on a regular basis ...
its all one big ego trip with one insulting "revelation" after another.
they will NEVER bow to the level of participation required here without a 4 page disclaimer [in triplicate]
wayyyy to insecure for that, wayy to much ego...
they might loose anonymous face.
speaking of which ,
@Nink
I do not understand the humor in anonymous men on the internet publicly investigating a Known individual with a Claim , a claim he is willing to submit to scientific rigor
and yet anonymous men with nothing to loose pursue this compliant known man with the vigor usually associated with the pursuit of Pedophiles.
in an attempt to completely destroy him publicly
Where is the humor or fun in that??
do something else for fun this kind of behavior can ruin peoples lives
and is also VERY cowardly from the comfort of anonymity.
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Mark
so you [resident Expert] have no interest in the testing discussion at this time..
your primary interest is a shadow boxing, single party fraud investigation of an old advertising
campaign by Mr.Potter ?
Chet, it you would like to discuss test protocols, I am happy to do so. The chances that Potter will let anyone perform an objective evaluation on his battery in a box are just about zero. But on the off chance that he will, then being properly prepared would be a good thing.
Honestly, I think you do yourself great disservice by playing apologist for Greg Potter. Advertising essentially the same claims since January is a big deal given:
He does not allow anyone to test nor will he ship to paying customers any of the production units he claims to have had for months, nor any of the development units used in the course of the claimed three year development.
The facts aren't changed by anyone's opinion. If in the extremely unlikely circumstances I am wrong about this being nothing more than a a battery and inverter in a dressed up box that we have so far seen, then I am happy to learn the real facts.
and Yes I am no longer interested in anything but the recent Test agreement which supersedes and
negates any other concerns by Default .
To reiterate, of what value is historic single party advertisement analysis to an ongoing Proof of advertised claims Test protocol?
There is no ongoing test. If you wish to discuss a test protocol then I am happy to do so.
this Test will clear up all concerns
ONE WAY OR THE OTHER...............
END OF STORY!!
all other concerns will be MOOT.
thx
Chet
Reality does not bend to declaration. You may wish to consider that some other people have dug up classified ads selling off bits of personal property using GDS' phone number. Maybe Greg thinks that he is about to be so rich that he doesn't need his motor home or other personal items anymore. On the other hand, maybe he is just trying to liquidate before leaving town.
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Mark
I will not join in your Hypothetical worst case fantasy at the cost of another mans reputation .
especially when he is compliant and you are deluded with a nasty "Reality" which wishes him nothing But ill will.
I make no apologies , I take a man at his word and move forward.
its just how men treat each other,very old tradition...
thx
Chet
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Please don't feel the need to continue this conversation, we live by very diferent rules.
and only one of us is anonymous....
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Mark
I will not join in your Hypothetical worst case fantasy at the cost of another mans reputation .
Is that your way of saying you refuse to review facts you find inconsistent with the claims you would like to believe?
especially when he is compliant and you are deluded with a nasty "Reality" which wishes him nothing But ill will.
I make no apologies , I take a man at his word and move forward.
I have a bridge for sale and ocean front Florida property as well. Would you like to discuss price and terms? I might be able to throw in a security case in Amsterdam as part of the deal.
its just how men treat each other,very old tradition...
thx
Chet
Diligence is a very old tradition as well. It circumvents a lot of unwanted surprises.
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Mark E
Unlike yourself I have no relevant facts.
the test which will establish the facts has not been performed yet !
And my crystal ball is still in the shop.
and unlike your sales pitch
there is nothing being sold here .
please report immediately if that changes .
good bye !!
Chet
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My GDS google alert just went off. Any bilingual people in Oshawa looking for a job $15 an hour
We are building a call center
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-office-manager-receptionist-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/looking-for-billigual-french-and-english-for-call-center/1030738737 (http://www.kijiji.ca/v-office-manager-receptionist-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/looking-for-billigual-french-and-english-for-call-center/1030738737)
Note the address !!
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Note the address !!
Maybe he thinks that he's shook the MiB.
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I think this link was posted already:
Industrial
For Lease
Property ID: #29079
727 Wilson Road South
http://www.espacelistings.com/details_industrial.asp?id=29079&language=english&property_group=&property_group_id=&state_id=&guidkey=%7B35B8E1D8-743A-4344-8CDC-C707697C3110%7D (http://www.espacelistings.com/details_industrial.asp?id=29079&language=english&property_group=&property_group_id=&state_id=&guidkey=%7B35B8E1D8-743A-4344-8CDC-C707697C3110%7D)
I found a link that shows that Oscan Electrical Supplies was still there in 2011. So the question is when Oscan left the building, did anybody replace them?
This guy would probably know (from the link):
Joe Bosco
Real Estate Broker 905-576-4111
joebee_ca@yahoo.ca
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Thats the great thing about a motor home until you sell it you can always park it out the front
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-rv-motorhome/oshawa-durham-region/certified-and-e-tested-23-500-00-ready-to-go/1026252919
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Mark E
Unlike yourself I have no relevant facts.
the test which will establish the facts has not been performed yet !
And my crystal ball is still in the shop.
and unlike your sales pitch
there is nothing being sold here .
please report immediately if that changes .
good bye !!
Chet
Chet, we all know what is not going to happen and that is an objective test that validates GDS' claims. Water is not fuel.
If you want to discuss a test protocol I am still happy to do that.
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So, what, he's moved back in to the Wilson Road South address? I thought he was all paranoid since someone was taking pictures, so he moved out, in one day, to an undisclosed location of multiple 100,000s of square feet. At least that's what he told Sterling, isn't it?
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Hydrino's :-) This really is a comedy thread.
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Chet:
That was a rambling, incoherent response that said nothing. Also, you are using the technique of pointing at random unrelated things to supposedly advance your argument. There are probably between 15 and 25 solid "bullet points" that indicate that there is something amiss with GDS and you haven't responded to the vast majority of them. You haven't even acknowledged most of them.
Please go ahead with what you want to do anyway. Please just keep us in the loop.
MileHigh
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fellahs
I am interested in nothing but the test.
You fellahs do what you do .
apologies
Chet
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fellahs
I am interested in nothing but the test.
You fellahs do what you do .
apologies
Chet
What equipement do you have available for the test?
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@ ariovado
Any new info ariovaldo??
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@ ariovado
Any new info ariovaldo??
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I have everything ready but the time to test. I will try to do a simple test by Monday. I'll let you know..
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What are the expected outcomes of the test? Will the results be made public? Will the inventor be permitted to point back to the test results? Will overunity, its members, testers or others be liable if the results are incorrect? What protection will be provided for consumers in the event the results are perceived by the general public as an endorsement of the authenticity of the device? What exactly are you testing? Is this just energy output or are you also testing against any possible attempts on the part of the inventor to influence the results? Will you be testing the fuel source for chemicals or other additives or will you be providing your own pure water? Will you be permitted to test the water for chemicals during the electricity generation (tap and monitor water transformation process if any) or is this a non invasive test?Will you be testing the vapour exiting the unit? Will you be testing for other potential fuel sources that may be external to the device? Microwave, laser, induction, or conduction into the device? Will you be checking other potential internal fuel sources such as monitoring for radioactive material, high density or next gen battery systems, chemical reactions or other potential fuel sources? Will you be testing and checking external environmental factors or will you be relocating this "portable generator" to another location to remove any possible opportunities for the results to be invalid. Will this be a single test or multiple tests? What unit will you be testing? How long will each test last? What are the skill and qualifications of the people providing the tests? Will the inventor be present in the tests? What components will be deemed MO and not subject for inspection versus non MO components? Will the battery power source be disabled during test? ........
These are all of course fairly obvious questions and certainly should not be considered an exhaustive list of questions for testing consideration. My primary concern is something is missed and perceived commitments or endorsements are made on behalf of the team performing the tests, and the capabilities of this invention are later proven incorrect.
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Aw cumon nink we're talking kwh here not microwatt-hour.it won't be hard to chek this shit out no need to put surgical gloves on bro
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GUYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE THEY HAVE AN UPDATE CLAIM TO HAVE
A PATENT PENDING WIPO (THE POWER OF WATER) GREGORY POTTER CA5281GP1114 READY
BY MARCH 2015!
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Aw cumon nink we're talking kwh here not microwatt-hour.it won't be hard to chek this shit out no need to put surgical gloves on bro
Don't forget Mr Potter is an energy specialist. Was CEO of a large energy company up until 2011. If verified he stands to sell pre orders of millions of dollars ( I would buy one). So if you want to sign off he is producing 3000 watt when in reality he just sat his generator wheels on two conductive plates or used a laser powered sterling engine or .... Is completely up to you.
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An energy specialist who talks about "3000 watts per hour" ? OK... but I think I'd be hiring someone else to do my energy audit.
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Tinsel
Yes independent 3rd party testing of claims using calibrated equipment and loads
signed off and certified by the Scientists /engineers involved.
Specifics will be shared here as the test becomes more "solid".
thx
Chet
Ps
Relax and enjoy ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7deClndzQw
"Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value." Albert Einstein
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Chet, have you talked to him lately? Why is he now saying March of 2015, instead of December? Is your trip postponed too?
(Has he in fact moved the goalposts to March 2015 now? See? He's following the script exactly.)
GUYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE THEY HAVE AN UPDATE CLAIM TO HAVE
A PATENT PENDING WIPO (THE POWER OF WATER) GREGORY POTTER CA5281GP1114 READY
BY MARCH 2015!
Searching google for that number returns only this:
http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/images/Certificate_of_edition.pdf
A certificate of edition? What is that? It's certainly not a patent application. Do you have a link to the actual WIPO application?
(Nevada corporations registered in Henderson... these are like degrees from diploma mill "universities". All they need is a hundred dollars of paperwork, a filing of status, and a maildrop box. Anyone can get their own Nevada corporation with an address in Henderson. )
https://www.incorporate.com/llc_nevada.html
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Its a sealed and dated reference of notes that will be used at a later date when filing a patent that the inventor can refer back to. This ensures he has documented notes for a disclosure so he can refer back to this if someone should file claims that are similiar to his before the patent application is filed. It is not a patent or a patent application.
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Tinsel
I will update Monday AM EDT.USA.
thx
Chet
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FatBird:
You said this:
If I were in charge of this site, I would Permanently DISBAR the Trolls & Nay Sayers in a New York Minute!!!!
There are a few here that have NEVER, EVER contributed anything positive!!
They are nothing but a NEGATIVE DRAIN on innovative positive ideas!!
I responded with this:
That is not a true statement at all, Fatbird.
Some of the people with sensitive "bs meters" have made tons of positive contributions around here.
TinselKoala has been making informative replication videos for years, as well as making hundreds of educational and interesting videos covering a wide range of subjects discussed on this forum.
MarkE shares his considerable knowledge and expertize with people that are building various devices in order to help them. I even used to do that a long time ago. He also discusses and explains stuff relating to electronic circuits and myriad of other scientific matters, the list is very long.
Between myself and TK, we created the MHOP pulse motor, and TK fully documented the process in in a series of videos. That is the most advanced, most flexible, and highest performing pulse motor architecture ever seen on the forums. Ironically enough it is also very simple.
And there are many other people that I am not mentioning that criticize when they deem it appropriate, and also make similar positive contributions.
The contributions from this group of people enriches the forum and makes it a better place. Some threads have real substance and when you look at the equivalent threads on say the Energetic Forum, they are just "puff pieces."
And what about you Fatbird? In the last year you might have posted between 10 and 20 links to YouTube clips that were such amateur or obvious fakes that the threads got no attention at all. That shows that you have almost no functioning "bs meter." That is not a positive contribution to this forum at all.
So, Fatbird, hopefully this posting put your usual rant in perspective and you will acknowledge the great positive contributions that come from people that you disagree with.
After my posting you posted about something else and you ignored my posting.
Do you have anything to say FatBird?
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So are we to understand after, moving into a new facilaty last week, he will have now tooled up a fully automated plant and will have produced 50,000 units that will be ready in 4 months. Do we also assume as per the original request he will take preorders of 50,000 units at 50% deposit ? If this is the case we can assume min $3000 * 50,000 = $150,000,000 in preorders. WOW
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Stephan could give people or say a group to have private threads where only the ones in the group can read or post in that thread. And when the group hopefully comes to a conclusion, that it becomes an open thread for everyone to read. Like a fresh book at the news stand. Or even not so private, and only the group can post there. This would enable a solid ground for only positive posts on the subject without pages of interference. And if anyone else wants to post a public rebuttal thread, then they that want to criticize can do so there, while leaving the group thread intact with all positive aspects of the thread subject, so readers that want the raw info as it pours in can get through it a lot quicker. And if a reader wants to go to the critics thread, they can read that also.
Im sure there are many out there that would agree, the negativity aspect, insults and the like gets tiresome. ::) Also makes for a lot of time wasted for the reader that doesnt have much interest in the bickering and get down to business. Time is money they say.
Lets say there are certain criteria for having a group only thread. Possibly the group has to volunteer to actually do tests and experiments as a commitment to being able to have a clean thread. Everything has a price these days.
Also, probably the biggest advantage would be to the device claimant. A place they can go with a chosen few and discuss and post without trashing along the way. If someone really has something and wants to share, it should not be an uncomfortable event in their lives. ??? There are many here that if they were in the group, would treat the claimant as a human being whether the claim was proven right or wrong. And some that belittle to the very end without ever even a light bulb and battery on the table.
Any way, if anyone likes the idea of group threads, ask Stefan if it is possible.
Mags
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Its a sealed and dated reference of notes that will be used at a later date when filing a patent that the inventor can refer back to. This ensures he has documented notes for a disclosure so he can refer back to this if someone should file claims that are similiar to his before the patent application is filed. It is not a patent or a patent application.
Anyone please feel free to correct me if my understanding is incorrect, but sealed notes are pretty worthless for patent purposes.
Prior to just a few years back, the US was indeed using the "first to invent" method of choosing which of multiple applicants to award a patent to. Under this method, if two inventors filed a patent on the same invention, an interference hearing could be used to determine who actually invented the device first, and that "first person" was awarded the patent. It is for the purpose of such a hearing that an inventor's notes, previous prototypes, NDA's, etc, could be used to prove the earliest date the invention was conceived by the inventor (and to prove that the inventor diligently worked on that invention throughout that prior period).
However, in 2011 the US switched to "first to file", which is similar to the EU and Canada. In this system, whoever gets to the patent office first wins. Even if an inventor has proof that his invention was conceived many years prior, and that the inventor had been working diligently all that time to develop the invention, another inventor that might only have worked on the invention for a month prior to filing would still be awarded the patent if he gets it to the patent office first.
This "first to file" is a terrible system. If an inventor works on something for years and its methods/operation somehow leaks out to another party, that party can rush off to be the "first to file", even though he was not the true inventor.
In short, anyone who believes notarized notes, videos, mail backs, etc, are of any value to the current patent process are mistaken. Any company/attorney that tells you that somehow publishing a notice of intention to file or allowing them to retain a copy of your notes for you will somehow help with winning a patent, are likely scamming you for money. Prior to 2011, such things may have had utility during an interference hearing, but are likely of little use at this time.
All my patent work was done prior to 2011, so possibly I misunderstand the new "first to file" system the US has adopted, but the above is how I understand it to now be.
Again, please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken.
PW
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If you disclose your invention, say by showing it operating, inside and out, in a YouTube video, and you offer it for sale, say on AliBaba or on a Mexican website, or you have a visiting investigator test it thoroughly and report the test results publicly, before you've actually filed any application with WIPO or the Canadian or US Patent Offices... what does that do to your chances of having a patent actually granted to you?
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Stephan could give people or say a group to have private threads where only the ones in the group can read or post in that thread. And when the group hopefully comes to a conclusion, that it becomes an open thread for everyone to read. Like a fresh book at the news stand. Or even not so private, and only the group can post there. This would enable a solid ground for only positive posts on the subject without pages of interference. And if anyone else wants to post a public rebuttal thread, then they that want to criticize can do so there, while leaving the group thread intact with all positive aspects of the thread subject, so readers that want the raw info as it pours in can get through it a lot quicker. And if a reader wants to go to the critics thread, they can read that also.
Im sure there are many out there that would agree, the negativity aspect, insults and the like gets tiresome. ::) Also makes for a lot of time wasted for the reader that doesnt have much interest in the bickering and get down to business. Time is money they say.
Lets say there are certain criteria for having a group only thread. Possibly the group has to volunteer to actually do tests and experiments as a commitment to being able to have a clean thread. Everything has a price these days.
Also, probably the biggest advantage would be to the device claimant. A place they can go with a chosen few and discuss and post without trashing along the way. If someone really has something and wants to share, it should not be an uncomfortable event in their lives. ??? There are many here that if they were in the group, would treat the claimant as a human being whether the claim was proven right or wrong. And some that belittle to the very end without ever even a light bulb and battery on the table.
Any way, if anyone likes the idea of group threads, ask Stefan if it is possible.
Mags
Mags:
There are several problems with that. First, it is censorship, which is an ugly word and probably has no place on an "OPEN SOURCE" website.
Second, this idea would allow folks like the QEG group to continue to post bogus claims (while continuing to raise money by fraud) without allowing anyone with a differing (and correct) opinion to post.
I think the issue here is really nothing more than good moderation. Not biased moderation, nor clickish moderation, but true and well done moderation.
So, if someone posts a "proven overunity device" as a topic, and someone else asks who has proven it and where are the test results, it is not considered trolling to ask a legit question. In your suggested approach, (if I understand it correctly) no one who might ask such a question would ever be allowed into that group so, folks could be deceived for a long, long time. What is that harm with that? Well, decent folks working hard for their money would find themselves ordering parts and components to attempt to replicate a fake device that never had a chance of ever working. We have seen that many times here...too many times.
Now, to your point. (as I see it) If I make a topic that says I have discovered something interesting and want folks to look at it, and the next post says..."Your Mother was a ", I think we can all agree that this is not constructive and should be dealt with by a good Moderator.
If someone asks..."Why do you think it is interesting and where are your measurements?" I should not claim that they are from the MIB and blocking my attempt to share valuable info.
Folks should be able to ask questions of a claimant...any one should be able to do so. If the claimant thinks he/she is being attacked because they have been asked legit questions...then...too bad. If they are indeed being bashed for no reason...then a good Moderator should step in.
Open source should be open.
Anyway, my 2.975 cents on the matter.
Bill
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They are just questions, Leon... they're written down for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiuAI-GuOOc
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Bill
Perhaps the point needs clarity
here we tried to involve resident _Experts_ in a test procedure
not referring to TinselKoala
all we got here was a "YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME " linch mob,
50 pages of "SAVE THE WORLD FROM THE THIEVING SCAM ARTIST""
Non stop negative comments as well as all manner of assumptions and innuendos.
Most recent again by Nink [ASSUMPTION AND INNUENDO]
I would have to say at a ten to one ratio.
I tried a few months back with Bill Alek's project
same thing.
How about just treating people the way you would like to be treated.
For Pete's sake we're talking about a man that invited Me to do a Test [same with Mr.Alek]
HOW is that like the QEG thing.... ???
Since when is opensource a licence to behave like this? ???
actually turns my stomach.....
Chet
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Bill
Perhaps the point needs clarity
here we tried to involve resident _Experts_ in a test procedure
not referring to { TinselKoala]
all we got here was a "YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME " linch mob,
50 pages of "SAVE THE WORLD FROM THE THIEVING SCAM ARTIST""
Non stop negative comments as well as all manner of assumptions and innuendos.
Most recent again by Nink [ASSUMPTION AND INNUENDO]
I would have to say at a ten to one ratio.
I tried a few months back with Bill Alek's project
same thing.
How about just treating people the way you would like to be treated.
For Pete's sake we're talking about a man that invited Me to do a Test [same with Mr.Alek]
Since when is opensource a licence to behave like this? ???
actually turns my stomach.....
Chet
Chet:
It is not, nor should it ever be, a license to act like that. That was the focus of my post. (Perhaps I was not clear enough?) My point was that simply asking for measurements, testing and data is not trolling. (as it is often accused of here) Questioning someone's ancestry, or what their mother does for a living, is. Please re-read my post and I think you will find that we agree.
I do hope that you actually get to "test" this device. That is a good first step. I think it is great that you volunteered to do that.
Bill
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I do hope that you actually get to "test" this device.
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Bill
I think that is the jist of Mag's point.
having this type of response to an invitation is a prelude to getting shown the door......
not good, not good at all.
Thx
Chet
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Its a sealed and dated reference of notes that will be used at a later date when filing a patent that the inventor can refer back to. This ensures he has documented notes for a disclosure so he can refer back to this if someone should file claims that are similiar to his before the patent application is filed. It is not a patent or a patent application.
Dated documents are much less useful than they used to be before the first to file AIA took hold in March 2013.
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I fully agree with the statements regarding the first to file changes last year and that to secure the rights to a disclosure there is only one real option, and that is to file a disclosure with the patent office. The decision to not file a legitimate disclosure is confusing at best. There are significant advantages to keeping an inventors notebook and this will certainly assist in bolstering any claims. As I am not a patent attorney I can not advise on the opportunities to invalidate another inventors disclosure if you can demonstrate prior art and intent within a 12 month period of first disclosing your invention. I can only suggest he should engage the appropiate people in support of his claim and file as soon as possible.
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I fully agree with the statements regarding the first to file changes last year and that to secure the rights to a disclosure there is only one real option, and that is to file a disclosure with the patent office. The decision to not file a legitimate disclosure is confusing at best. There are significant advantages to keeping an inventors notebook and this will certainly assist in bolstering any claims. As I am not a patent attorney I can not advise on the opportunities to invalidate another inventors disclosure if you can demonstrate prior art and intent within a 12 month period of first disclosing your invention. I can only suggest he should engage the appropiate people in support of his claim and file as soon as possible.
It is too late for him to file in most locations. He has advertised the unit for sale. That closes the patent door in most countries. The US remains an exception. There is a year's grace there.
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Mags:
There are several problems with that. First, it is censorship, which is an ugly word and probably has no place on an "OPEN SOURCE" website.
Second, this idea would allow folks like the QEG group to continue to post bogus claims (while continuing to raise money by fraud) without allowing anyone with a differing (and correct) opinion to post.
I think the issue here is really nothing more than good moderation. Not biased moderation, nor clickish moderation, but true and well done moderation.
So, if someone posts a "proven overunity device" as a topic, and someone else asks who has proven it and where are the test results, it is not considered trolling to ask a legit question. In your suggested approach, (if I understand it correctly) no one who might ask such a question would ever be allowed into that group so, folks could be deceived for a long, long time. What is that harm with that? Well, decent folks working hard for their money would find themselves ordering parts and components to attempt to replicate a fake device that never had a chance of ever working. We have seen that many times here...too many times.
Now, to your point. (as I see it) If I make a topic that says I have discovered something interesting and want folks to look at it, and the next post says..."Your Mother was a ", I think we can all agree that this is not constructive and should be dealt with by a good Moderator.
If someone asks..."Why do you think it is interesting and where are your measurements?" I should not claim that they are from the MIB and blocking my attempt to share valuable info.
Folks should be able to ask questions of a claimant...any one should be able to do so. If the claimant thinks he/she is being attacked because they have been asked legit questions...then...too bad. If they are indeed being bashed for no reason...then a good Moderator should step in.
Open source should be open.
Anyway, my 2.975 cents on the matter.
Bill
Im not saying every thread be group threads.
Lets say if some group wanted to write a book on a subject. The publisher does not inject many pages from skeptics of the ideas in the book. And why dont the publishers do that?? Censorship??
It has nothing to do with censorship by allowing a group to have a clean thread. The skeptics can make their own thread in order not to be censored, being its all on the same site. Moderation does not keep a thread clean. All the crap is still posted. Most of the time its temporary banning then back to the same littering by them or someone else.
OUR has private groups. And its not about censorship or hiding things from being open source. Its about a comfortable place to be when people want to discuss a subject without page after page of harassment. There are also open threads on most of the subjects that are discussed in group threads.
Mags
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Reality may be a cruel mistress, but the only thing she harasses is delusion.
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Reality may be a cruel mistress, but the only thing she harasses is delusion.
Yeah. I suppose so.
Like in U.S. schools, instead of teaching how and why our for fathers helped guide this country into the great nation that it 'was', they teach more that they were slave drivers and that Alah is the only god down to the 3rd grade. But if you say "Jesus" or the like, the child gets suspended. ::) ::) Yeah, reality at its best. So no sense in 'trying' to make things any better. If the screw machine aint broke, dont fix it? ::)
A thread such as this one, yeah, open thread. Nobody has any idea on how to build or experiment the contraption. Shown a lot but not enough. Like Kapanadze, people try things, but there is not enough to go on to really do any testing at all. But when someone does prepare to show and put forth info for replication, then there should be no interference of negativity or pestering. If someone wants to build the device in retribution to the claim to prove it does not work, then that is all that is needed. Insults and name calling is just pure immaturity. Or is it something else?
When I see that kind of garbage toward others with ideas, I either think, 'This dude is a real jerk', or, 'Why are they coming down on this guy so hard.' 'Why do they push so hard to make the person look so bad?' 'Is it because they may really have something??' Or is it something else. ;)
Mags
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One of the features I really like about the GDS 3000 5000 10000 or 15000 is they all have exactly the same size water tank as they all take 10 gallons to fill. This is fantastic. Does this mean no matter how much power you generate it will only ever require 10 gallons of water every 3 days?
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It makes you wonder how big a real 15 kw generator is.
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A nice gutsy looking one. You want two of these in your bunker and a giant underground swimming pool filled with diesel fuel for the coming End Times.
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@milehigh yes this is another signifitcant advantage, the massive reduction in size and weight of the 15KW unit. Perhaps this should be included in the brochure next to the plastic wheels. #recomend
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@Magluvin: What you are asking for already exists. It's called Energetic Forum.
http://www.energeticforum.com/
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It appears the GDS 5000 just had some optimization and now only uses 4 gallons of water, what is even more exciting is mexican version of the 15KW unit only uses 4 litros (i think that is about 1 gallon for 15KW ). I will make sure I continue to save all the time stamped and dated Screenshots as these significant advancements in fuel optimization continue to occur.
Currently all 3 units on gdsenergy.mx use 4 litros of water, I will be the first to applaud the massive reduction in water requirements for systems for the people from Mexico.
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OK
I Spoke with Mr.Potter this AM
Nothing has changed..
I see nothing has changed here either .
respectfully
Chet
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I can no longer take part in this type of thread.
I will however Be in contact with TinselKoala.
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Chet:
Do you have an issue with showing what a real 15 kw generator looks like to allow comparison to the previous pictures shown of an alleged GDS 15 kw generator? Do yo think it's possible that some people following this thread had never considered this comparison?
What do you think about the comparison?
Is it "insulting" or "demeaning" to illustrate this comparison? If you had your way would you have banned any posting along these lines?
MileHigh
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MH
You are aware I have never once asked anyone to ban anybody.
never will.
I work around these issues as best I can.[been that way for many years]
I can appreciate that you seem to have lots of time on your hands
to Play guessing games and compare apples and coconuts as well as assume the rest here
are incapable of the thought process necessary to have a cogent opinion on this topic.
It has absolutely nothing to do with an opinion or shadow boxing argument.
it is about vetting the claim.
PERIOD.
respectfully
Chet
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Chet:
Do you have an issue with showing what a real 15 kw generator looks like to allow comparison to the previous pictures shown of an alleged GDS 15 kw generator? Do yo think it's possible that some people following this thread had never considered this comparison?
What do you think about the comparison?
Is it "insulting" or "demeaning" to illustrate this comparison? If you had your way would you have banned any posting along these lines?
MileHigh
MH,
While those generators are indeed some heavy duty monsters (4 pole gens intended for 'round the clock use), to be fair, there are some smaller 2 pole portable gens available in that output range:
http://www.generac.com/all-products/generators/portable-generators/gp-series/gp15000e
That said, given sufficient flotation (boat, barge, pontoons), just about any generator can be adapted to "run on water".
PW
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Chet:
I didn't say anything about banning anyone either. I think that it's a valid issue to discuss the amazing claim that the 5 kw GDS generator looks idential to the 15 kw GDS generator, and the size is much smaller than a conventional 15 kw diesel generator. It looks like it would be impossible to drive a conventional 15 kw output generator or 15 kw worth of inverters and still fit everything else in the same small frame. It's clearly in the realm of delusion as compared to reality as we know it right now. If you want to believe "there must be a magic box inside the generator" that "answers" all of these real-world technical issues then so be it. But that doesn't advance your project in my opinion. When you bury your head in the sand, everybody standing around can see a man with his head buried in the sand.
When the next free energy proposition comes along and you decide to take up the cause, will it be the same deal? Let's say within two weeks of the discovery of a new proposition, there are 15 serious red flags. Do you ignore them again, and just put your horse blinders on and scold everybody for pointing out the red flags? Sorry, but if there were red flags, you would hear about them. You can't be disconnected from reality if you are going to be credible. Same thing applies to the people making the proposition. Do you notice that the "pros" almost never engage on the forums when their propositions are being discussed?
The sad fact is that sometimes these things are a "Great Turkey Shoot" and the final reality always comes out in the long run. For example, the reality of South Africa and the secret motor-generator people has come out. Between Mark Dansie's visit and the clock ticking we know there is nothing. It was a long time ago, but I am pretty sure there were lots of red flags in the story and many people must have told Sterling that the red flags indicated that it was a scam. It typically takes less than a week to qualify the proposition as best as can be done by discussing and doing some Internet sleuthing.
PW:
Thanks for the link. My search was not scientific for sure, I just did a quick look at Google Images plus using the Generac stuff for a fully boxed 15 kw generator. Looking at the pics including yours you get a sense of how much torque stress there is to bear between the engine and the generator when driving a full 15 kw load.
MileHigh
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MH
Relax,
I brought you a movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WREyAicJXkM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WREyAicJXkM)
Chet
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Things are heating up over at GDS. Do you speak Spanish and can take pre sale orders for GDS5000 they need you
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-customer-service-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/spanish-and-english-speaking-rep-for-call-center/1031653145
Do you have a degree in engineering and know autocad to design GDS5000 they need you
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/manufacturing-engineer/1031723423
Are you a production manager with 10 years of experience they need you
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/production-manager/1031720990
Kijiji is well know world wide as the top place for recruiting the best talent and not just somewhere you can place an ad to sell a water powered generator for free.
So if you don't want to pay $3000 up front today and wait 4 months for your generator it appears you can get a 3KW unit for only $2500 today.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-buy-sell-other/city-of-toronto/portable-generator-that-runs-on-water-no-fuel-produces-3000-watt/1018645838
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Things are heating up over at GDS. Do you speak Spanish and can take pre sale orders for GDS5000 they need you
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-customer-service-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/spanish-and-english-speaking-rep-for-call-center/1031653145
Do you have a degree in engineering and know autocad to design GDS5000 they need you
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/manufacturing-engineer/1031723423
Are you a production manager with 10 years of experience they need you
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/production-manager/1031720990
Kijiji is well know world wide as the top place for recruiting the best talent and not just somewhere you can place an ad to sell a water powered generator for free.
So if you don't want to pay $3000 up front today and wait 4 months for your generator it appears you can get a 3KW unit for only $2500 today.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-buy-sell-other/city-of-toronto/portable-generator-that-runs-on-water-no-fuel-produces-3000-watt/1018645838
I will gladly sell anyone who wants one a generator that produces much more than GDS' quoted 3000 Watts per hour for just $1000. Models suggest that up to 100,000 Watts per hour are feasible. It uses only a single rechargeable laptop battery cell. In the interest of open disclosure, the rechargeable cell requires periodic recharge.
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Bill
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I do hope that you actually get to "test" this device.
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Bill
I think that is the jist of Mag's point.
having this type of response to an invitation is a prelude to getting shown the door......
not good, not good at all.
Thx
Chet
Chet:
I do not understand your post at all. I just said that I hope that you do actually get to test this device...as in wishing you luck. If you are upset at my use of " (quotation marks on the word "test".) it is only because I have no idea of your background in electronics and electrical engineering, and, you were asked what sort of testing equipment you would be using and you did not answer so, I can only assume that these "tests" would be preliminary, which is a good first step.
Now, if you are an electrical engineer and do have the proper testing equipment, then I did not need to use those quotation marks. If this is the case then I am sorry as I was not aware.
Please accept my apology,
Bill
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There is a great YouTube guy named Thunderf00t and he also has a channel called Beautyintheuniverse.
Here is a clip about Solar Roadways. They got $1.7 million in crowd funding. He does a great job analyzing the proposition and says it's not real, it's not workable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H901KdXgHs4&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H901KdXgHs4&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A)
The clip is very convincing and may make you question the integrity of the people behind Solar Roadways. It's important to note the actual analysis and how it is done. The guy is phenomenal. That process is the same as what takes place here. Except on a thread you don't have the luxury of everything being cleaned up and neatly packaged in a clip. And of course you get both pro and con opinions expressed on a thread.
Certainly there are a lot of dubious things that get huge amounts of crowd funding. Is it a prop or is it a prototype? You always have to be thinking about that.
I plucked a comment from YouTube:
You sir, Illustrate things brilliantly. I watched the video about "solar freaking roadway" few days and I got excited, I didn't think to much about the details of it but I loved this idea but now I see how inefficient this is.
Keep those videos flowing pal. delight to watch.
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Bill
I sent you a PM
thx
Chet
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There is a great YouTube guy named Thunderf00t and he also has a channel called Beautyintheuniverse.
Here is a clip about Solar Roadways. They got $1.7 million in crowd funding. He does a great job analyzing the proposition and says it's not real, it's not workable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H901KdXgHs4&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H901KdXgHs4&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A)
The clip is very convincing and may make you question the integrity of the people behind Solar Roadways. It's important to note the actual analysis and how it is done. The guy is phenomenal. That process is the same as what takes place here. Except on a thread you don't have the luxury of everything being cleaned up and neatly packaged in a clip. And of course you get both pro and con opinions expressed on a thread.
Certainly there are a lot of dubious things that get huge amounts of crowd funding. Is it a prop or is it a prototype? You always have to be thinking about that.
I plucked a comment from YouTube:
Actually electric or solar generating roads are not that crazy or far off. Graphene costs have gone down as the process is simplified so this will be as simple soon as painting roads with graphene based paint This technology is well understood but turning water into energy without consuming more energy than is actually created is not curtently possible (until now if you believe this).
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Thunderf00t is one of my favorite YT commentators. You should hear him take on creationists and other religionists. He's almost an amateur version of Christopher Hitchens, God rest his soul.
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Yes TK, Thunderf00t is great. I suppose one of the reasons I posted it is because it illustrates evaluating a proposition on it's merits, both technically and financially. He is also willing to debate with people and listen to them and make his case.
There is an implicit issue relative to this thread. It's the "mute silence" issue. Logical points are made that indicate something is amiss with GDS and the response from the supporters is mute silence. Certainly mute silence does not make the issues raised go away.
Then sometimes attitude creeps in. It can happen because something is perceived as being ridiculous or impractical. It can happen because the impression is that the people putting forth the proposition might be criminal con artists.
Then the same people that respond with mute silence to the valid technical issues, they will seize on the attitude issue and cry foul. The attitude issue is used as a smokescreen to obscure the real technical issues. We see this over and over.
So the message is that if you are going to support somebody's free energy proposition, then you need to respond to the valid technical and other issues raised about the proposition. Mute silence about the issues does not make these issues go away. Moaning and groaning about some attitude does not make the issues go away either.
As I stated before, there are probably between 15 and 25 valid issues about this GDS "just add water" generator and the company itself. The responses to most of them have been mute silence.
Well, we are just over four weeks before a test is done on a generator. Will it really happen? I suppose that you can say one of the issues is the statement made by myself and others that a valid test will in fact not take place in 4 1/2 weeks and the GDS guy is just playing some people to keep the storyline going and keep the PayPal system primed.
Mute silence by the supporters of some propositions to valid critiques - it's a big issue that goes way beyond GDS.
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There is another issue that has already raised its head, and that is the accusation that somehow, critical comments on an obscure hobbyist's forum will somehow have the effect of preventing the testing of the claims when the time rolls around. Don't be negative, because it might scare the claimant or drive him away out of spite. I've pretty much stopped making comments about this particular item because I don't want to "enable" this kind of excuse when the promised date comes along and goes along without the testing actually happening. If it turns out that way, that is. If you recall the Chuck Pierce script you can see that that is just how it went down for Sterling.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:QMoGen
With all those "working" devices already being demonstrated, but none of them actually ever validated, what is a poor old Koala to think?
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You fellows want to offer up an alternative??
work it out yourselves with Mr.Potter,apparently all manner
of Peeps are coming out of the woodwork and pestering with "helpy helperton
Offers"
To be perfectly clear I am not interested in Anything other than
the agreed upon test ,and would completely agree that such a test
should be a prerequisite for purchase or investment [always been that way]
and to add, to my knowledge Nothing is for sale here [been told this weeks ago and again recently]
and no money is being solicited from would be customers.
Nor are there any fundraising programs or other daydreams which are being forwarded here.
thx
Chet
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Chet, is it possible that Potter isn't aware of what his own website is saying?
http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/index-2.html
Items offered for sale, including pricing.
http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/
At this time, we will only be selling to distributors that we have approved. If you would like to be a distributor for GDS Technologies LTD here is what we need to know: 1) What City, State, Country that you would like to cover
2) Wiring requirements, if you require 50/60 Hz
3) Which models you would like to sell, and how many you would like to order in your first order.
We will then decide who is going to join our distributor team.
Email Inquiries to: distributors@gdstechnologies.ca
In the English I learned in school, "at this time" means... well, it means "now". Doesn't it?
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TK
I refer to customers ,I am aware that there are no customers,nothing being shipped.
I have no interest in Marketing or assisting in marketing.
only in validation of claims .
Numero UNO .
thx
Chet
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and to add, to my knowledge Nothing is for sale here [been told this weeks ago and again recently]
and no money is being solicited from would be customers.
This is my favorite part. http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/images/Exclusive_Distribution_Agreement.pdf
"payment shall be made by Distributor by wire transfer in advance of shipment from the Supplier
facilities."
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Yes TK, Thunderf00t is great. I suppose one of the reasons I posted it is because it illustrates evaluating a proposition on it's merits, both technically and financially. He is also willing to debate with people and listen to them and make his case.
There is an implicit issue relative to this thread. It's the "mute silence" issue. Logical points are made that indicate something is amiss with GDS and the response from the supporters is mute silence. Certainly mute silence does not make the issues raised go away.
Then sometimes attitude creeps in. It can happen because something is perceived as being ridiculous or impractical. It can happen because the impression is that the people putting forth the proposition might be criminal con artists.
Then the same people that respond with mute silence to the valid technical issues, they will seize on the attitude issue and cry foul. The attitude issue is used as a smokescreen to obscure the real technical issues. We see this over and over.
So the message is that if you are going to support somebody's free energy proposition, then you need to respond to the valid technical and other issues raised about the proposition. Mute silence about the issues does not make these issues go away. Moaning and groaning about some attitude does not make the issues go away either.
As I stated before, there are probably between 15 and 25 valid issues about this GDS "just add water" generator and the company itself. The responses to most of them have been mute silence.
Well, we are just over four weeks before a test is done on a generator. Will it really happen? I suppose that you can say one of the issues is the statement made by myself and others that a valid test will in fact not take place in 4 1/2 weeks and the GDS guy is just playing some people to keep the storyline going and keep the PayPal system primed.
Mute silence by the supporters of some propositions to valid critiques - it's a big issue that goes way beyond GDS.
Besides Mr. Potter there probably is no what would be called supporters of the GDS technology. So for now silence it
seems is indeed the appropriate response.
Mr. Potter probably feels that these will be addressed when the appropriate time comes.
Most people simply discuss what they see in photos so that when others eventually get better view of the device there will be a lower
selection of components that an individual subsystem might be. I feel that being a supporter with the current somewhat insufficient
device viewpoint, would be folly.
GDS credibility will rapidly rise with a reasonable demo, and should rapidly fall with no demonstration or a failed one.
Incredible claims are being made for this device...so an incredible demonstration must follow. Again this is a product
not a operating principle and different demands are made for each.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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This is my favorite part. http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/images/Exclusive_Distribution_Agreement.pdf
"payment shall be made by Distributor by wire transfer in advance of shipment from the Supplier
facilities."
Fear not! Your advance payment will be held in escrow by John Rohner in an account in the Antilles.
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On the 28th of October Sterling posted that Mr Potter told him to wait two weeks before he visited. Yesterday was two weeks so I wonder how the visit went (or did it get cancelled for some strange reason)? http://pesn.com/2014/10/28/9602558_Greg-Potter_tells-me-to_wait-two-weeks-to-plan-my-visit/
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It looks like the people at GDS have decided on a "go for broke" strategy to get up-front money from "distributors." I put that in quotations because they will never distribute anything from GDS.
The main web site opens with a big "splash page" all about signing up distributors.
http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/ (http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/)
The regular web site now states the 5 kw generator will be available by March 15, 2015.
On the splash page it looks like they learned about the requirement for approvals:
We have proceeded with all the necessary steps to obtain all certificates for the electrical safety codes for North America and Europe, other countries will take approximetly 3 weeks.
Note there is a clue about the type of people we are dealing with: "approximetly"
The police need to visit these people.
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It looks like the people at GDS have decided on a "go for broke" strategy to get up-front money from "distributors." I put that in quotations because they will never distribute anything from GDS.
The main web site opens with a big "splash page" all about signing up distributors.
http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/ (http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/)
The regular web site now states the 5 kw generator will be available by March 15, 2015.
On the splash page it looks like they learned about the requirement for approvals:
Note there is a clue about the type of people we are dealing with: "approximetly"
The police need to visit these people.
Does anyone know what certification a water powered generator uses., EGSA, CSA EPA all come up with no listing maybe just my bad search skills. I am sure they will post the certification numbers before they accept any money ,after all assuming it does work, what happens if a country decides not to certify it, and I just purchased 100 units.
CSA
http://www.csagroup.org/ca/en/services/testing-and-certification/certified-product-listing
EPA
http://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/
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Wait two weeks before you _plan_ your visit. Of course there has been no site visit from Sterling.
I think the thread on Energetic Forum is verrrrry interesting. For a change, by far most of the comments are rather skeptical. It seems that even "Asea" is an unbeliever this time.
They even had someone who lives in Kitchener, ON, offer to drive over and pay a visit. It is only a relatively short drive, many people in the Toronto area commute more than that to work every day.
That thread has been dead for over a week though.
The silence is deafening.
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Seems like he is trying to prevent any verification of design by duplication
We and we alone control the worldwide rights to our property. Please note that it is a criminal offence should anyone attempt to copy our design for either their personal or resale use.
By the way, I was under the impression that any patented device could be recreated by an individual for personal use. Is this incorrect?
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Seems like he is trying to prevent any verification of design by duplication
By the way, I was under the impression that any patented device could be recreated by an individual for personal use. Is this incorrect?
No, you are not incorrect, in the USA at least. The threatening quasi-legal language on Potter's website is incorrect on a number of bases. Sending a description of a design to a Nevada shell corporation offers no legal protection at all except maybe "copyright" and even that is doubtful, and unless his "actual" design is substantially different from what he showed in the video, he has no recourse at all if anyone should purchase and gut a Generac genset, and put a few batteries, inverters, Pelton-wheel PMAs etc inside and claim that it "works". In fact a case could be made that he himself has infringed on several prior art patents and applications himself... IF what he showed in the video is what is really inside what he is intending to offer for sale.
Reading the solicitation for "applications for distributorships" makes me think that he and Richard Willis are old buddies.
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http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20140522&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=WO&NR=2014076510A1&KC=A1&ND=4 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20140522&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=WO&NR=2014076510A1&KC=A1&ND=4)
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Good find!
So unless the GDS system is doing something different than what Potter showed in the video, this application seems to have the basic idea of pumping a water jet onto a turbine wheel driving an alternator/generator completely covered.
But if you look a little deeper at the "Search Report" you can see two actual granted patents and two applications that are prior art that cause this application to be rejected.
"The claimed invention cannot be considered novel or cannot be considered to involve an inventive step when the document is taken alone."
US 4086764A
US 4345160A
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Looks like no one pre paid to order 50,000 units so they have now removed the distributor document link and information about only selling direct to distributors and they posted we will sell direct again but will not accept orders until mid march. Having trouble keeping up.
Don't worry GDS if you want your old distributor page back or a copy of your distributor document I made a backup for you. Also have a long list of your other stuff you posted on kijiji, Alibaba etc if you want backup copies of these as well.
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Spending money on expensive gasoline is a thing of the past. We have found a way to produce energy by adding clean tap water.
Sounds too good to be true. 8)
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I like that GDS now comply with the Bilingual French language laws of Canada. The challenge I have is they just created the page this week and they put their old address up that they moved out of a month ago. I get mistakes where you forget to change an address but I struggle with this.
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Nink:
Same address in English. We know from PESN that someone passed by the building recently and it is empty. Assuming that GDS actually was in the building at one time, then perhaps they just asked the building owner if they could continue to pass by and pick up mail once a week. It's also possible that they were never in the building, and just paid the owner of the building a nominal cash sum for the privilege of using the address.
My current presumption is that there is no building in existence for this pseudo company anywhere. Certainly there is no giant factory. The "company" consists of a cell phone number and the fake generator prop that we saw in the video. The fake generator is sitting in the garage of the home of the perpetrator. He also has a computer with some Photoshop renderings of some fake generators. That's it, that is all the "company" consists of.
The ads on Kijiji for telemarketers and production managers, etc, are FAKE. They are just virtual props to tickle the fancy of someone doing Internet surfing to see if the company is real. Some highly susceptible people seeing those fake job ads will then make their down payment.
We can't be too far away from an excuse to delay the proposed Dec 15h test. I seem to recall that was the tentative date for doing an actual test. After all, they allegedly have several working machines already. If GDS comes back and says that December 15th is the day to have discussions about setting the date for the test, then there is your first moving of the goal posts.
Like I said before, doing a proper test will never happen because the device is fake. The only possible response from GDS is to make up excuses for delaying the test. That is effectively smoking them out.
MileHigh
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Why, MH, aren't you rather jumping to conclusions? ;)
The phone number of the leasing agent to that property has been posted, some pages back. Call him and simply ask if the property is still available for lease! Then we will have some hard data.
And what happens when you call that "customer care representative" number on Potter's adverts? Does some nice bilingual or trilingual agent answer, or does Potter answer, or does nobody answer? I don't even have a telephone, and it's awkward for Koala paws to manage one anyway, but I'm sure someone could be stirred up enough simply to call those two numbers and obtain some hard data.
THEN we can jump to conclusions.....
:P
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I went through this technology many years ago!!!
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Mr. Hardy
Good of you to clear that up,When Mr.Potter's GDS unit is tested by an independent 3rd party
it will clear up any further speculation .
he has agreed to this .
Will keep you posted.
Respectfully
ChetKremens@gmail.com
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Hi All,
Is this the James Hardy water wheel person?
Tom
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Tom
Yes this Fellow says it was His Work ,and he also Said it does not work for more than 20 minutes.
said a few things about being bothered by what seemed to be investors?? and something else about Sterling ??
He apologized to those who believe this GDS works based on his device.
[He modified his post after I posted]
I did not mean to put him off ,and hope he does return to clear up his position or Email me .
I would like to speak with him
Respectfully
Chetkremens@gmail.com
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I went through this technology many years ago!!!
How much energy did you measure in the water and what was the end product of the process after it extracted energy from the water?
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Hi Mark E,
I believe this is the best water wheel design, base on the Clem's engine.
The pelton wheel was not as efficient as this design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2L_PBGgHZw&list=UUp3mD3EJromKns3YpglKdpA
Tom
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Tommey: that's a neat machine you have built. If you know the flow that you are getting then from the pressure drop of 45psi you can figure out the input power. After you get settled down on the nozzles and such it will be time to connect the machine to some sort of load and see what kind of efficiency you get.
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Is there another turbine inside the basic Hero's Turbine - style rotating thing?
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That's what I understood from the video.
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@Tommy love your work, Spent some time watching your videos very cool.
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I see the Kijiji ad I found selling the GDS 3000 that potter had Put on line is no longer up. Either it was sold or he took it down. That's ok though as I kept a copy.
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So are we still on for the 15th of December? Has a time and place been organized? Has travel been booked and con firmed?
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Nink
You remind me of a Friends EX,EX wife,[two Ex's ago] is your name Matilda??
she was one of the most entitled and arrogant persons I have ever met....
She would look a gift horse in the mouth and every other orifice, made my skin crawl.
Whatsa matter your Patent harvesting business a little slow?
Bored?
Your business solicitations at GDS going unanswered ?
so you figured you'rd come around an open source forum and try and drum up some Patent Biz??
help some more Inventors get Patents ??[that is what you said you do for a living,
remember the ""I have over 100 patents to my name and help inventors get patents for a living Claim??]""
such a helpy Kinda Guy....
?
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Nink
You remind me of a Friends EX,EX wife,[two Ex's ago] is your name Matilda??
she was one of the most entitled and arrogant persons I have ever met....
She would look a gift horse in the mouth and every other orifice, made my skin crawl.
Whatsa matter your Patent harvesting business a little slow?
Bored?
Your business solicitations at GDS going unanswered ?
so you figured you'rd come around an open source forum and try and drum up some Patent Biz??
help some more Inventors get Patents ??[that is what you said you do for a living,
remember the ""I have over 100 patents to my name and help inventors get patents for a living Claim??]""
such a helpy Kinda Guy....
?
Hi Ramset,
I am not sure I understand your response. Is the meeting still scheduled for the 15th or not ?
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Nink
I choose not to assist you in your business investigations ,I will offer you no counsel , advice
or information.
Unlike yourself I don't "hunt" inventors for Profit and I don't get paid to do this.
your level of entitlement rings of a very young and immature Schoolgirl.
I might add your level of entitlement is one which I would associate with a person that would gladly take an idea from an unsuspecting Inventor.
Character does not OOze from you or your methods and your blatant presence here in an open source forum speaks volumes .
However,
As odd as it seems to me [soliciting inventors for a patent business at an open source Forum]
you do have a right to make a living [your welcome]
Have a good life.[and I do mean that]
I will however let Tinsel know what is going on.
you can pester him from now on [Your welcome Tinsel ;D ]
thx
Chet
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Nink
I choose not to assist you in your business investigations ,I will offer you no counsel , advice
or information.
Unlike yourself I don't "hunt" inventors for Profit and I don't get paid to do this.
your level of entitlement rings of a very young and immature Schoolgirl.
I might add your level of entitlement is one which I would associate with a person that would gladly take an idea from an unsuspecting Inventor.
Character does not OOze from you or your methods and your blatant presence here in an open source forum speaks volumes .
that being said you do have a right to make a living [your welcome]
Have a good life.[and I do mean that]
I will however let Tinsel know what is going on.
you can pester him from now on [Your welcome Tinsel ;D ]
thx
Chet
Hi Ramset,
I appreciate your detailed response but I will have to apologize as again I do not understand your answer to my question. I also do not understand your accusations. I am an inventor. I have filed patents as many inventors do. I believe that is the process. I have also made considerable contributions to the open source community and published instead of patenting on many occasions. I do this in order to ensure that an area has sufficient opportunity grow in a new market without being hampered or stifled by broad patents that would prevent any development in a specific field to occur.
I must admit I am extremely confused why you would suspect I am interested in taking another inventors intellectual property that rightfully belongs to them. I am not! My interest is only to understand if this is a working and credible invention. A water fueled generator would be a significant breakthrough in science and as an inventor any break through is of interest to me.
I appreciate that you do not wish to provide details of the proposed meeting and this is entirely your prerogative but to openly accuse me and insult me is confusing at best.
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Nink
I have no time to play your games,or your double standard when its applied to you, let people read your posts .
Anonymous game players come here all the time,I will gladly engage your claims anytime you wish
at ChetKremens@gmail.com if you send me your real name ,I will Give you your update
good bye
Chet
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My real name and email are in my profile. I also posted my twitter account and that is NINK, All the domains NINK are mine even the license plate on my car is NINK so I hardly believe I am anonymous.
This is an open source forum so lets have an open conversation or is the intent to continue to deflect.
So back to my question, Is the meeting on the 15th of December still on ?
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you have none of the above in your profile
except NINK
I would take you more seriously if you could show me this "profile" [a trust issue]
it says you joined here about one month ago [at least under that name 8) ]
and have only hunted for inventors here in this thread??
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you have none of the above in your profile
except NINK
I would take you more seriously if you could show me this "profile" [a trust issue]
it says you joined here about one month ago [at least under that name 8) ]
and have only hunted for inventors here in this thread??
you have none of the above in your profile
I see your approach is going to be to continue to deflect.
The ability to email me is enabled in my profile. Send me an email, My address is my name. I appologise I did not realize you would require instructions.
So back to my question, Is the meeting on the 15th of December still on ?
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Nink
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""My real name and email are in my profile. I also posted my twitter account and that is NINK, All the domains NINK are mine even the license plate on my car is NINK so I hardly believe I am anonymous.""
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No actually it seems like you are a either a bit nutty or a bold faced Liar
My real name is actually in My Profile and so is My Email
are you Anonymous??
yes
Is Mr,Potter?
No,
and you've posted everything you could find on him except his shoe size.and now you want me to assist you [you being an anonymous person]
Me being a known person] you want me to assist your gestapo tactic investigation, a guilty until proven innocent affair,no due process just Ninks way...
well Nink I deflect to some good faith truth
you said your not anonymous[its all in My profile] you said you make your living finding inventors and getting them patents [you also said you have accrued 100 patents [yet somehow you are clueless about patent law]] and now you say your name and email and everything but your shoe size is in your profile.
@ Nink
Nink, I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night
consider this a deflect until you tell the truth
and then I will post your info here in the very next Post
No deflection just your answer
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I sent you and email to youremal@gmail.com
I will post it here for full disclosure.
"Is the meeting still on for the 15th of December ? "
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yes you did
and I will respect you and your anonymity [its how I roll]
Nothing has changed NOTHING
But I am calling him tomorrow , which I have posted in the forum [look at my posts]
and I will update regarding tomorrows conversation .
which I already posted to the forum [re update]
thx
Chet
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I suspect that what is going on is that quite predictably Greg Potter keeps moving the goal posts and that Chet does not wish to report this in the fear that somehow comments with the obvious conclusions will somehow spook Greg Potter into reneging on tests altogether.
Special news flash: Water is not fuel, and Greg Potter is full of it. His claims are beyond absurd. A one phone number and to all appearances one man company cannot suddenly start moving hundreds of millions of dollars of material each month.
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Thank you for the update :-)
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twas My Pleasure.....
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@All
Had a nice Chat with Mr.Potter, and yes the date for testing is moving to a more realistic schedule for him.
I am in no rush whatsoever ,and actually am making connections with fellows who live _Very_ close to the test area and are willing to assist.
It has always been my dream here that this community would step up and Muster people to do these types of investigations,
In the absence of that, some of us have mustered a "crew" which can be Tapped for these types of claims ..
is that fair??
no
But I must say I am very pleased with the Others that have stepped in to offer sincere help.
And here I must add something.
something about the direction this needs to go [and its very good because now I see it happening]
but I'm busy ATM and will post later today
thx
Chet
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@All
Had a nice Chat with Mr.Potter, and yes the date for testing is moving to a more realistic schedule for him.
I am in no rush whatsoever ,and actually am making connections with fellows who live _Very_ close to the test area and are willing to assist.
It has always been my dream here that this community would step up and Muster people to do these types of investigations,
In the absence of that, some of us have mustered a "crew" which can be Tapped for these types of claims ..
is that fair??
no
But I must say I am very pleased with the Others that have stepped in to offer sincere help.
And here I must add something.
something about the direction this needs to go [and its very good because now I see it happening]
but I'm busy ATM and will post later today
thx
Chet
I have not seen any discussion of a meaningful test protocol. As long as we are going to pretend that GDS is going to eventually allow an independent test to take place, we might as well discuss what kind of test procedure would be needed to discern between Wet Fire 2.0 and Yet Another Magnacoaster.
My recommended guidelines are such:
The independent tester supplies all test equipment and loads.
The independent tester performs calibration checks of their equipment and loads before and after the test(s).
Recommended load is simple household heaters, 1500W typical.
The load will be at least 50% but no more than 100% of the device under test rating.
AC RMS voltage applied to the resistive power load will be monitored throughout the test. Optionally current may be monitored and/or a power analyzer may be used.
If inspection of the unit is allowed immediately before the test, then the make and model of the batteries inside will be recorded. A successful test will demonstrate output energy greater than a minimum of five times the total energy capacity of the batteries.
If inspection of the unit is not allowed, then a successful test must demonstrate at least five times energy out as could be provided by filling the device volume with the highest density available Lithium batteries.
GDS will present the unit to the independent tester. From that point until the end of the test no one but the independent tester will be allowed within 10 feet of the unit.
The independent tester will move the unit within the test facility by up to 100 feet from the location GDS presents the unit.
The independent tester will connect their supplied voltage / current / power monitoring equipment and load(s) to the unit under test.
The independent tester will start the unit according to instructions provided by GDS.
The test will begin when the unit has operated connected to the test load for at least five minutes where the average power over the five minute interval is within +/-10% of the power delivered over any one minute average during that five minute interval. If the unit fails to stabilize to this criteria within 15 minutes of start, the test is declared a failure.
The test will run until the earlier of: successful output energy criteria is satisfied, or the AC RMS voltage to the heaters averaged for one minute drops by 15% or more versus the AC RMS average obtained when the unit stabilized and the test began.
Preferred: The procedures beginning with locating the unit to test end are videotaped without interruption.
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Happy to be part of a test team all I need 24 hours notice. When is the test
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thats the easy part
There are probably several centuries of collective experience in the present test team Pool ,and enuff degrees
to boot..
telling "Them" what to do is not the problem ...
its quite another problem we have here ..
and we need to come to an agreement.
sorry but I had some surgery today and I'm shot
Tomorrow then.....
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thats the easy part
There are probably several centuries of collective experience in the present test team Pool ,and enuff degrees
to boot..
telling "Them" what to do is not the problem ...
its quite another problem we have here ..
and we need to come to an agreement.
sorry but I had some surgery today and I'm shot
Tomorrow then.....
Chet, there is often a valid complaint that some defend the status quo based on appeals to authority. That cuts all ways. The protocol should both be transparent and stand on its own. It doesn't have to be my suggestion. It does need to be rigorous or there isn't much point. When you are feeling more recovered from your procedure please state where the proposed protocol is published.
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@MarkE
I think understanding HOW we will be testing is important. I also think we are missing is the WHO WHAT WHEN AND WHERE components.
WHO: who will be conducting the tests (Is there a team committed to go to the location and test)
WHAT: what is it we are testing (is claim water is only Fuel source for 12 hours operation @ 5000W)
WHEN: when will the tests be occurring (The date continues to change Sterling was Nov, Chet Dec..)
WHERE: Where are the actual tests going to occur. ( Is it Oshawa at the NEW PLANT or elsewhere)
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@MarkE
I think understanding HOW we will be testing is important. I also think we are missing is the WHO WHAT WHEN AND WHERE components.
WHO: who will be conducting the tests (Is there a team committed to go to the location and test)
WHAT: what is it we are testing (is claim water is only Fuel source for 12 hours operation @ 5000W)
WHEN: when will the tests be occurring (The date continues to change Sterling was Nov, Chet Dec..)
WHERE: Where are the actual tests going to occur. ( Is it Oshawa at the NEW PLANT or elsewhere)
As long as the who are independent of GDS I am not particular. Chet may not wish to identify the testers at least at this time to avoid anyone pestering them.
I think that we know what the claim is: A 5000W 120V 60Hz generator with internal batteries that that slowly evaporates water can run indefinitely. Ergo it uses no fuel. Ergo it is a free energy machine. Ergo if it fails to deliver more energy than stored in the batteries it is a false claim.
I don't think GDS will ever allow competent tests to take place. Greg Potter is selling a perpetual motion machine. As you note the date for anyone to even see the device has as predicted been a moving target.
Since GDS says that they will be knocking out hundreds of millions of dollars of product per month, they must be in quite a large new facility. It's probably hampering them a bit that their website doesn't state their business location. Any vendor looking for them will have to wait until Greg has a free minute off the phone so that they can call him and ask for an address. It's also probably pretty tough on the many job applicants as well. Robots or no robots, it takes a lot of people to run such a large business, clean and maintain the factory.
Everyone knows that this story ends without anyone ever seeing a working generator.
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fellows
for the last 3 to 4 years certain members of this community have been working behind the scenes to help inventors/experimenters with claims , mostly because of the attitudes and behaviors exhibited here .
As a result ,some amazing things are happening ....
and for that I am VERY grateful.
I am discussing this Privately with Tinsel [long standing history which I am comfortable with] ,there is nothing etched in stone just trying to figure out a solution that will give the people who read here a fair and balanced product.
to create a venue where independent 3rd party analysis can be offered to an inventor/experimenter without all this extra noise,or people calling the police or the hawking businessmen looking to _HELP_ !! or other persons with _Agendas_ and interests outside of open source .
to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR this venue already exists here [privately], and the Model works fabulously.
We shall see where this goes,but I for one will NEVER give up hope, quite the contrary.
this is lots of fun and I want more Peeps to enjoy it.
respectfully
Chet
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fellows
for the last 3 to 4 years certain members of this community have been working behind the scenes to help inventors/experimenters with claims , mostly because of the attitudes and behaviors exhibited here .
As a result ,some amazing things are happening ....
and for that I am VERY grateful.
I am discussing this Privately with Tinsel [long standing history which I am comfortable with] ,there is nothing etched in stone just trying to figure out a solution that will give the people who read here a fair and balanced product.
to create a venue where independent 3rd party analysis can be offered to an inventor/experimenter without all this extra noise,or people calling the police or the hawking businessmen looking to _HELP_ !! or other persons with _Agendas_ and interests outside of open source .
to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR this venue already exists here [privately], and the Model works fabulously.
We shall see where this goes,but I for one will NEVER give up hope, quite the contrary.
respectfully
Chet
Chet I appreciate your optimism and as long as you are willing to engage Greg Potter and try and get more information, then more power to you.
However, I it is painfully obvious that Greg Potter is a BS artist selling nonsense. When all is said and done the device is a set of batteries in a box with a couple of inverters. All the rest of the kit is just distraction. This story is already playing out like so many before where the claimant was full of beans.
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Mark
honestly I am not interested in any one claim,I am interested in a solution to a long standing problem .
Too few helping hands and too many helping mouths...
we Don't need helping mouths ,we need helping hands .
We have solved this problem, now we need to grow the model.
I will investigate a solution with TinselKoala ,if he chooses not to input,
then we shall see what other options there are ?
don't get me wrong Mark ,I am interested in a solution not focusing on yet another example of the problem.
a solution here at this forum ,an open source over unity forum.
respectfully
Chet
ps
I am in no rush ,there is no need,i would just like others here to benefit the same way that OUR group has.
its actually quite wonderful....
and I am not looking to "steal" members or start other websites or money generating venues ,
Could care less about that .AND WON"T be apart of that Nonsense.
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Here's (some of) my input: There is only one thing preventing proper testing of any claim, and that is the behaviour of the claimant.
The collective effort that Chet mentions can accomplish everything that is necessary for proper testing of just about any claim. That's the easy part. Getting the claimant actually to submit a working device for proper testing... that is another story altogether, and the failure of any particular claimant to submit such a device for testing is itself very informative, in my opinion.
Take, for example the Akula/Ruslan/Stivep devices that allegedly run themselves. Several of them are small, use cheap commonly available components and even have had their schematics presented, and have even been replicated to produce the exact waveforms that were presented by the claimants... yet none of the replications actually "self run". So why do these claimants not take one of these devices that they have built and demonstrated on YT, with the claim that it will self-run, put it in a box and send it off to Chet, or Stefan, or even Sterling A. ? I know why... and so do you.
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Now, let me ask a couple of questions. How many "goalpost movements" (rescheduling of test dates or product availability dates for example) should we allow a claimant to make, before we conclude that testing may actually never be allowed to happen? One, two, three, four? If a claimant says he has about ten working units on hand, but still won't present one for testing for months and months after that claim is made, nor will he actually show those units or present his own evidence of testing them, can we reasonably conclude anything from that?
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I think I will back off this thread for a while unless something changes and mark this as an unverified claim with no attempt to seek verification.
If something changes I will jump back in again. this may include Patents filed, documents published or if Mr Potter agrees to a test and sets a confirmed date and location so we can all organize travel. I will also jump back in if generators "powered by water" from GDS start selling especially if they require all or partial payment in advance either directly or indirectly via distributors.
if Mr Potter wants to allow a test as I said I am happy to go with 24 hours notice to any location in North America to be part of a team.
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Mark
honestly I am not interested in any one claim,I am interested in a solution to a long standing problem .
This subject of this thread is GDS. I suggest that we keep the discussion here focused on that.
Too few helping hands and too many helping mouths...
we Don't need helping mouths ,we need helping hands .
Just what does that mean Chet? You have been offered sound advice on how to conduct testing that will yield meaningful results in the very unlikely event that Greg Potter / GDS ever allows any testing. All available evidence points to Greg Potter holding his hand out for cash and handing back the stuff we scrape off our shoes.
We have solved this problem, now we need to grow the model.
What is the problem? Is it that you do not like advice or opinion that is correct?I will investigate a solution with TinselKoala ,if he chooses not to input,
then we shall see what other options there are ?
don't get me wrong Mark ,I am interested in a solution not focusing on yet another example of the problem.
a solution here at this forum ,an open source over unity forum.
respectfully
Chet
ps
I am in no rush ,there is no need,i would just like others here to benefit the same way that OUR group has.
its actually quite wonderful....
and I am not looking to "steal" members or start other websites or money generating venues ,
Could care less about that .AND WON"T be apart of that Nonsense.
You hold out hope that an obvious scam may not be what it obviously is. I respect that you want to hold out that hope. I respect that you are willing to let this play out for a long time. However, there is no reason to to get snippy with other people who see the facts as they are, have accurately predicted what has unfolded and continue to accurately predict what will unfold. Recognizing a scam for what it is does not create the scam. It does not suppress inventions that work. It does not prevent honest investigators from looking into unlikely things. It exposes crooks who prey on people's hopes for something good. I submit to you that policing out scammers is an important activity that helps prevent honest investigators from being associated with crooks.
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TK
to be clear
we are only discussing claims which have allowed access to the Group ,and how they will be treated HERE at this forum.
@ Mark E is correct this discussion does not belong here.
I did send you a PM
thx
Chet
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An APPROXIMATE Block Diagram of his unit.
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No, your diagram does not correspond to the unit displayed in Potter's YT video.
In that video, a Pelton-wheel/outrunner alternator combo is shown in and outside the water tank. It is not connected by a belt to anything, and it is not even turning when Potter is demonstrating the unit "running". The belt drive system appears to be a motor driving a small generator, separate from the Pelton wheel and its attached outrunner alternator. Or it could be a water pump that is driven by the belt, but it certainly isn't pumping water onto the Pelton wheel during that demonstration.
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TK
to be clear
we are only discussing claims which have allowed access to the Group ,and how they will be treated HERE at this forum.
@ Mark E is correct this discussion does not belong here.
I did send you a PM
thx
Chet
If it doesn't belong here why do we keep talking about it here?
Sure, you are talking about devices that have been presented to the group for testing. But aren't we in a Red Queen's "jam tomorrow" kind of situation with the GDS system? Being promised that you will be able to test something at some rubber date in the flex-future is not the same thing as someone showing up on your doorstep today saying "Here you go, test one of my about ten Free Energy machines, have at it!"
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An APPROXIMATE Block Diagram of his unit.
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Very nice graphic, FB. But how can this device not run at an efficiency of about 30% ?
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Well I said I wouldn't post unless something changed. Something changed GDStechnologies.ca no longer even mentions water powered generator.... Just says "coming soon". http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/
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Well I said I wouldn't post unless something changed. Something changed GDStechnologies.ca no longer even mentions water powered generator.... Just says "coming soon". http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/ (http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/)
Nink,
Good checking and no surprise there, we have all seen it before. Perhaps the Oshawa Police anti-fraud group paid them a visit? Every now and then I check Google News to see if the police have put out a press release stating that they busted GDS Technologies.
The vibe I get from the guy in the video and the use of language on their websites is that we are dealing with one or more people that dropped out of school in grade 8 and they have been hustlers in one form or other for the rest of their lives.
MileHigh
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Maybe they will turn up in Morocco?
Bill
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Now now, let's not be hasty. After all, the video is still up, as of this evening.
And Happy Thanksgiving, tomorrow, for all the USA residents out there!
Eat food, not too much, mostly plants. (Michael Pollan)
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FatBird,
That is one of my prototype drawings,, we went through many different designs at least 15.
http://www.google.com/patents/US20070018461
I know everyone is hoping for Mr. Potters water generator to be successful,,
I looked over his design very carefully,there is nothing inside his set up that I already have completed and tested in one of our prototypes.that will only last for about 20 min.
Sorry!!! From my experience in this field years of testing it does not last.
Potter documentation dates will be prolonged as long as he can.
James
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Now now, let's not be hasty. After all, the video is still up, as of this evening.
And Happy Thanksgiving, tomorrow, for all the USA residents out there!
Eat food, not too much, mostly plants. (Michael Pollan)
You are absolutely right @TinselKoala, It is not as if they moved the operations back to Mexico and are now selling drawings and plans to build your own generator for $565 bank transfer only. Now if he starts accepting Bitcoin ....
http://gdsenergy.mx/ via google translate
GDS Technologies LTD. He offers to sell this technology but was rejected. We already have separate generator and started the drawings and measures to put together in this instrucional video on demand. This video will be accessible in GDS Technologies LTD. Webside with security code to view all those who purchase the security code.
The fee is $ 565.00 USD INCLUDING TAXES,
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OK Nink
you wanna put your money where your mouth is??
MH
it will save on all those phones calls to the police in Canada??
besides I can't imagine what it would cost you to mount a similar campaign in Mexico with those federaleees
Mark E
are you a man of conviction [or only criminal convictions of others??]
you want answers?
I got one hundred in the till for this,we will send it to Tinsel [after I get it] for analysis and public review??
you fellahs in??
oh and happy thanksgiving to all who celebrate
Thx
Chet
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If I see a working unit I will pay for the plans. I will not pay someone for something that breaks the laws of physics without testing it especially when they don't even accept credit card or PayPal.
Please note: It also says plans will not be ready for 3 to 6 weeks. If they want to show us the generator and allow us to test I will pay cash on the spot.
My advice do not send money until after a test.
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So Nink
that's a no from you??
Plain English works best here ,we cover the planet with Dialects and different tongues ..
next
??
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OK Nink
you wanna put your money where your mouth is??
MH
it will save on all those phones calls to the police in Canada??
besides I can't imagine what it would cost you to mount a similar campaign in Mexico with those federaleees
Mark E
are you a man of conviction [or only criminal convictions of others??]
you want answers?
I got one hundred in the till for this,we will send it to Tinsel [after I get it] for analysis and public review??
you fellahs in??
oh and happy thanksgiving to all who celebrate
Thx
Chet
Chet, since you want to put the cards on the table: Greg Potter's claims that he has generators that output: 3kW or 5kW or 10kW or 15kW for 8 hours or more fueled by water are patently false. His claims that any of the generator units shown can output anything more than what is stored in the batteries inside are false.
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So Nink
that's a no from you??
Plain English works best here ,we cover the planet with Dialects and different tongues ..
next
??
Chet, what is your question? Is your question: Who is stupid enough to wire transfer money to a guy with a checkered business past who is promoting an obvious scam?
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Mark E
so that's a no from you too...........
the " I'm too smart excuse" of course not too smart to post 40 thousand words in the topic or spend another thousand hours of your "too smart time" here .
whats that cost? " smart time..."
must be AWFUL CHEAP...
skqeeaky Cheap !!
no this nonsense is much more fun than calling... [poker thing]
and at least you can beg off on any real commitment .
Glad to hear how far you_ won't_ go for this community which you serve so well .
Next << I got this From Cap ,sorry if its annoying [just saves time]
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Mark E
so that's a no from you too...........
the " I'm too smart excuse" of course not too smart to post 40 thousand words in the topic or spend another thousand hours of your "too smart time" here .
whats that cost? " smart time..."
must be AWFUL CHEAP...
skqeeaky Cheap !!
no this nonsense is much more fun than calling... [poker thing]
and at least you can beg off on any real commitment .
Glad to hear how far you_ won't_ go for this community which you serve so well .
Next << I got this From Cap ,sorry if its annoying [just saves time]
Chet:
I fear you are going off the deep end here defending this guy without knowing a single thing about the actual device. I have always admired your optimism, most of the time, that is a good attribute. But unless/until this fellow allows some folks (that know what they are doing) to test his device, I do not think you should jump to conclusions that it works, especially since there are already so many red flags that we have all seen before. I won't bother to name them all, you know what they are.
You say that you have the guys ready to test, and that they are well educated in this field....that is good. All we need now if for this guy to set up and keep a date for testing.
I do not think you will ever see that date in reality. If/when that happens and I am correct, that is the last red flag you should need.
I just hope that we are not here 3 years from now with you saying something like..." I just spoke to him, he said maybe we can test it next month, but he might need more time."
Hard to hit a moving target so, if you keep getting put off, eventually you will have to conclude that you will NEVER get to test this.
I actually hope that I am wrong but, my gut tells me that I am sadly correct.
Bill
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Bill
I respect your opinion ,can you please point to similar claims or behaviors from myself that would lead you to believe i would still be here "3 years from now" doing this nonsense?
Do you really figure me the "sucker" ?? I assume nothing and take a man at his word.
to date I have lost _ZERO_ ,for this approach.
have you never played Poker?[I don't but "get it"]
If you don't "buy in" you don't get to play.
I don't consider this a game ,I just get a lot closer to the "Claim" than some here are comfortable with.
And am also prepared to do much more than those that post here ,at no charge whatsoever to them
I will work with a man by his rules under His conditions and Give Him all the Room he needs..
I live by a motto ,"no stone left unturned"
and all benefit from my efforts.
have a happy thanks giving !!
Chet K
ps
i see Nink posted below while I was slappin keys
see here [above]
""I will work with a man by his rules under His conditions and Give Him all the __Room__ he needs..
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Ramset
All along you have said all you care about is the test. I think we all agree you had the right approach, test it and if it works give the man his dues.
How about this approach, Mr Potters time is worth money. Agree to pay after you see the test. He gets a glowing report. If that's the case I am in. Payment after successful test.
FYI he just dropped price to $499. Is he desperate for money?
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Chet:
Happy Thanksgiving to you too. This also goes for everyone here who celebrates this day.
Bill
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Now up on English website
http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/
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NEWS ALERT
GDS Technologies LTD. is excited to announce to the public worldwide our consultation services in a video on demand format. We have started the process of filming the video this week and will take about 3 - 6 weeks to finish.
Due to the lack of funds to produce a mass order worldwide we have decided to get this video out to the public a.s.a.p. on how to build your own unit.
This video on demand will be a step by step guide to the following
Drawings
Pumps and motors
Wiring and plumbing
Coils and Magnets
Technical support
Suppliers List with all pricing
5000 watt output unit only
We have taken the generator apart already and started the drawings and measurements to put it together in this instructional video on demand. This video will be accessible on GDS Technologies LTD. website with a secure code for viewing for those who purchase access.
The charge, For Canada: $499 + $64.87(taxes) For outside Canada: USD$499.00 , for this video on demand can be made by:
E - TRANSFER email: sales@gdstechnologies.ca
BANK TRANSFER call: 1(905)576-4888 for company banking information.
NO Credit Card payments will be accepted.
The cost to build your own unit would be approximately $3870.00 USD.
This technology is the property of GDS Technologies LTD.
It is for personal use only. GDS Technologies LTD. owns the intellectual property for this technology. Any unauthorized or illegal use of this technology will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Thank you for all your patience and all your support, now let's get this out to the world.
Greg Potter
President, GDS Technologies LTD.
So, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GIANT FACTORY?
Chet, can't you SEE what is going on here?
What a bunch of sleazy uneducated money grubbing whores. They are trying every trick in the book to get money. It's rare that you see such sleazy low-lifes like this. I am truly disgusted.
MileHigh
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Scumbags revisited.
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@MilieHigh
The building is occupied by a storage company. I can not say if GDS is still in the building or not or if they are the storage company - Photo taken in last 48 hours.
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Nink:
It appears that a legitimate storage business is there, but who knows. I note that we saw earlier postings about truck and car rental space so who knows if Greg Potter is associated with them. What a joke these con artists are. Perhaps Greg Potter is following this thread in "reactive mode" and is jumping through his own paranoid hoops in response to our comments. That would be amusing.
MileHigh
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This is never going to happen ,,,,,,,,,, I have experience in this field trust me when I say this guy is just going to try to take your money anyway he can,
This guy is a fake
His generator does not work
Giving him money will be your mistake
He will never have a professional testing our documentation
I know this machine inside and out for many years,,,,,,, he is a con artist
James
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James
When you posted your video several years ago of your pump and generator you had a lot of people talking about it. Most didn't believe, some did but I never saw any more videos or retraction from you .
You say that the machine will not run longer than 20 minutes. Was that from running on a battery till it drained? You're video clearly showed a grid powered pump. Your patent shows a battery self powered
machine.
Can you give us some detail of what you really had and why it only ran for 20 minutes. If that is true then self running for 20 minutes is a feat unto itself and worthy of discussion if not experementation.
Vince.
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Mark E
so that's a no from you too...........
the " I'm too smart excuse" of course not too smart to post 40 thousand words in the topic or spend another thousand hours of your "too smart time" here .
whats that cost? " smart time..."
must be AWFUL CHEAP...
skqeeaky Cheap !!
no this nonsense is much more fun than calling... [poker thing]
and at least you can beg off on any real commitment .
Glad to hear how far you_ won't_ go for this community which you serve so well .
Next << I got this From Cap ,sorry if its annoying [just saves time]
Chet, Potter's box is demonstrated as consisting of a battery in a box with an inverter. It is demonstrated as performing exactly as a battery in a box with an inverter is expected. Greg Potter merely declares that the box performs magically, delivering energy far in excess of what the batteries can store. Greg Potter has done nothing to establish by theory or demonstration that his box has any chance of living up to his ridiculous claims. No sane person would give him a cent for plans to such an obvious scam.
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Bill
I respect your opinion ,can you please point to similar claims or behaviors from myself that would lead you to believe i would still be here "3 years from now" doing this nonsense?
Do you really figure me the "sucker" ?? I assume nothing and take a man at his word.
to date I have lost _ZERO_ ,for this approach.
have you never played Poker?[I don't but "get it"]
If you don't "buy in" you don't get to play.
I don't consider this a game ,I just get a lot closer to the "Claim" than some here are comfortable with.
And am also prepared to do much more than those that post here ,at no charge whatsoever to them
I will work with a man by his rules under His conditions and Give Him all the Room he needs..
I live by a motto ,"no stone left unturned"
and all benefit from my efforts.
have a happy thanks giving !!
Chet K
ps
i see Nink posted below while I was slappin keys
see here [above]
""I will work with a man by his rules under His conditions and Give Him all the __Room__ he needs..
Chet if you are fond of poker analogies then Greg Potter has failed to ante-up.
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Now up on English website
http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/
It is all so silly. He wants to license manufacturers on a set of obviously false claims. Good luck to him with that. And with that, there goes the 50,000 units per month fantasy.
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It is all so silly. He wants to license manufacturers on a set of obviously false claims. Good luck to him with that. And with that, there goes the 50,000 units per month fantasy.
Is this the poker equivalent of folding? Or, doubling down?
Bill
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WOW he changed the website. I guess we missed the $499 deal. Chet are you keeping up.
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Well I'll be danged! He is reading this thread and going nuts!
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Off the top of my head I think we had the original
1) GDS3000 on kijij in September
2) the discount GDS3000 in September on the website,
3) A viral video that resulted in the prepay for a GDSX000 50% (until paypal account was disabled)
4) Sign a distribution deal in October and just pay for 2 of each model up front and wire me the money
5) todays transfer $565 to my bank account for some plans in 3 to 6 weeks
6) Black Friday $499 SPECIAL 5 minutes later for same plans
7) Finally a I want to cut a deal with manufacturers.
This all looks like a legitimate well planed out and well thought out strategy to me. /sarc
Here is the site from 4 hours ago before it was changed AGAIN
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Well I'll be danged! He is reading this thread and going nuts!
This time he didn't even get his own phone number correct :-)
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Chet:
Any updates?
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No response, so it is the same pattern repeating itself. No demo? No test protocol? No details on who, what, where, when, why?
Chet, you spoke on the phone a few times with someone that I think many people around here would consider to be a common criminal, a thief. There were milestones that you were supposed to report on and nothing has happened.
Shame on you one more time for going dark and not having the courage or conviction to state what is going on, whether the news be good or bad. It's just another fiasco where you ignored the advice of others. This has happened several times in the past.
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No response, so it is the same pattern repeating itself. No demo? No test protocol? No details on who, what, where, when, why?
Chet, you spoke on the phone a few times with someone that I think many people around here would consider to be a common criminal, a thief. There were milestones that you were supposed to report on and nothing has happened.
Shame on you one more time for going dark and not having the courage or conviction to state what is going on, whether the news be good or bad. It's just another fiasco where you ignored the advice of others. This has happened several times in the past.
Reading back, Chet apparently wanted to make $100. bets with folks. Chet, I am happy to cover a $100. bet. My position is GDS will not deliver because as we all know: water is not a fuel. So if you want to bet whether or not GDS will deliver a working unit by say three months from now: March 1st. I'll be happy to see you donate your end to a homeless shelter. If hell freezes over and you win I'll send the $100. to you or whatever you direct. If you want more than three months, I am reasonable: Tell me what time frame you think GDS needs even though they say that they have 10 working units now.
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Mark E
Please point out the 100 dollar bet "format" which you are referring to.
{the quote where I said I would bet you money??]
MH
sorry I got off the leash ,I didn't feel your tug....
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Mark E
Please point out the 100 dollar bet "format" which you are referring to.
MH
sorry I got off the leash ,I didn't feel your tug....
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« Reply #526 on: November 27, 2014, 06:28:26 PM »
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OK Nink
you wanna put your money where your mouth is??
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it will save on all those phones calls to the police in Canada??
besides I can't imagine what it would cost you to mount a similar campaign in Mexico with those federaleees
Mark E
are you a man of conviction [or only criminal convictions of others??]
you want answers?
I got one hundred in the till for this,we will send it to Tinsel [after I get it] for analysis and public review??
you fellahs in??
oh and happy thanksgiving to all who celebrate
Thx
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Mark E
so that's a no from you too...........
the " I'm too smart excuse" of course not too smart to post 40 thousand words in the topic or spend another thousand hours of your "too smart time" here .
whats that cost? " smart time..."
must be AWFUL CHEAP...
skqeeaky Cheap !!
no this nonsense is much more fun than calling... [poker thing]
and at least you can beg off on any real commitment .
Glad to hear how far you_ won't_ go for this community which you serve so well .
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So Nink says he can get Plans from GDS for 4-500 dollars
Chet says he's got 100 dollars to put towards the plans if NinK Mark E and MH will chip in
All three either say no or make excuses.
and now... some how you turn My offer for the three of us to buy these plans together send them to TK etc etc
you see a bet NOW??
Go Pull Caps leash I can't play your games tonight.
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I'm not as much fun because I have learned its better to refer to trolls and shills instead of interacting with them.
You, on t'other hand, still give them the attention they seek.
Don't feed the trolls.
Regards...
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So Nink says he can get Plans from GDS for 4-500 dollars
Chet says he's got 100 dollars to put towards the plans if NinK Mark E and MH will chip in
All three either say no or make excuses.
and now... some how you turn My offer for the three of us to buy these plans together send them to TK etc etc
you see a bet NOW??
Go Pull Caps leash I can't play your games tonight.
Chet,
GDS stated they would sell plans for $499 not me. See screen shots ( or are you denying this was ever posted on their website) This offer does not appear to be available any more just like all their other "offers".
According to GDStechnologies.ca website they are no longer offering sales or even acknowlegment they have a water powered generator, so can we assume just like the other 1000+ claims of other companies in the past this no longer exists. I do appreiciate Mr Potter is reading this forum and corrected his phone number.
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So Nink says he can get Plans from GDS for 4-500 dollars
Chet says he's got 100 dollars to put towards the plans if NinK Mark E and MH will chip in
All three either say no or make excuses.
and now... some how you turn My offer for the three of us to buy these plans together send them to TK etc etc
you see a bet NOW??
Go Pull Caps leash I can't play your games tonight.
Well, then I had it right the first time. You were pitching the idea that we should chip in money to give to the hapless crook Greg Potter. When I reread it today, particularly when you got mad that people weren't taking you up, I thought maybe in your broken sentences you were offering a bet that Greg Potter would come through instead. I'm sorry for any confusion.
Why in the world would you expect anyone in their right minds to send an advance payment to Greg Potter? His stories are preposterous and he changes them frequently. Do you still think that there is any chance that he has discovered a multi-trillion dollar miracle of how to use water as not just fuel but a potent fuel?
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@MarkE if you give me a hamburger today i will gladly pay you Tuesday. Wimpy
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fellows Have a good life.
and I mean that.
Chet
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fellows Have a good life.
and I mean that.
Chet
Chet I am not trying to be hard on you. I think your intentions are good. Greg Potter is the villain selling lies. I think we all know that water is not fuel and that Greg Potter will never deliver on his claims.
Be well.
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Nink yes that could be Greg Potter or any of the many other people who promise free energy and never deliver.
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Geeesh
I'm such a sucker
Why on earth would you think for an instant that water could not be a fuel??
you keep saying that...
The energy locked in water could knock hell off its hinges..
On this point I could not disagree more.
But I gotta go
Respectfully
Chet
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Don't feed the trolls.
Regards...
But if we don't, you will starve. Did you not think of this? Please try to think before posting things like this.
Bill
PS Please try not to respond with yet another gay, or sexual reference. I have no idea what your fixation on that subject is but...it is getting old.
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Looks as tho he's on the bottle again folks...hung over...or he may have mistakenly glanced in a mirror took a dislike to the sloppy drunk he thought was looking in his window.
Regards...
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Geeesh
I'm such a sucker
Why on earth would you think for an instant that water could not be a fuel??
you keep saying that...
The energy locked in water could knock hell off its hinges..
On this point I could not disagree more.
But I gotta go
Respectfully
Chet
Chet all you need to do is show an example of someone extracting this incredible stored energy from water. If you are referring to ZPE there is no known way to get at ZPE. A little Pelton wheel turbine sure won't unlock it.
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Water is not a fuel, because it is the _ash_ of burning fuel, that is, burning hydrogen. Water is a _low energy state_ of the combined H and O atoms; it takes energy to split the water molecule to yield hydrogen and oxygen gases. If you had a perfect, no-loss-whatsoever system (the magic factor) you could get nearly as much energy back by burning the gases as you put in to split the water in the first place. But there are no perfect, zero loss electrolysis systems or hydrogen or ho-ho-ho burning engines.
Take some white ashes from your fireplace. Get some more energy out of that, why don't you? Nobody would even try, they know it's a waste of time.
Injection of water into the combustion chambers of internal combustion engines, either by direct manifold or cylinder injection or by mixing it with fuel in an emulsion, can have benefits such as increased fuel economy, smoother burning in high-compression supercharged engines, even increased power in such engines that operate at manifold pressures greater than ambient. None of these effects are due to "burning water" though, in fact just the opposite. The water retards explosive combustion (knocking) and promotes even fuel burn. If there is too much water, though, you may have more power than without the water, but your TBO (time between overhauls) will go way down. If you are, say, using your big turbosupercharged radial engine operating at 40 inches of MAP to deliver bombs or food to troops, who cares about TBO, nobody does, that's what mechanics are for. If you are trying to make a consumer-grade economy vehicle, your manipulations had better not cut the lifetime of the engine in half, or your extra power just isn't worth it.
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Water is definitely not a chemical fuel.
Water could be used as feed stock for fusion of the hydrogen it contains. But a Pelton wheel is hardly an inertial confinement mechanism.
If ZPE were accessible then there is lots of ZPE "locked up" inside even a small mass of water. But ZPE is frustratingly an inaccessible energy reservoir.
So, Chet may note that there is lots of energy "locked up" in even small amounts of water, but it is there to stay.
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You guys still up??
there to stay ??
I say Nay....
water as fuel is well on its way.
actually might find out today??
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here, talk to the Bug in the sea ,he snaps his claw and causes 9000C
and knocks a photon outta orbit ,causing that wonderful prefusion moment, called Biological Sonoluminescence.
oh we have sooo much to do [and learn] on this beautiful planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC6I8iPiHT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC6I8iPiHT8)
I think Mr,Potter would only need one well trained Bug in that water tank to make all that power??
"the karate Clam""[or shrimp....
have a good night fellahs
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You guys still up??
there to stay ??
I say Nay....
water as fuel is well on its way.
actually might find out today??
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here, talk to the Bug in the sea ,he snaps his claw and causes 9000C
and knocks a photon outta orbit ,causing that wonderful prefusion moment, called Biological Sonoluminescence.
oh we have sooo much to do [and learn] on this beautiful planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC6I8iPiHT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC6I8iPiHT8)
I think Mr,Potter would only need one well trained Bug in that water tank to make all that power??
"the karate Clam""[or shrimp....
have a good night fellahs
Chet the water in this example is a transmission medium. It is not a source of energy.
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The "claim"
[which I cannot discuss yet]
input .34MA-12V output 1 liter HHO in one minute.
the input of .34 MA-12V in the above example is the energy used to yield ! liter Of HHo gas from distilled water
transmit that !!
Is water a fuel ? when so little input can yield so large an output .34 MA = 1 liter HHO....
or is .34 MA the fuel?? [pick one there are only two choices]
coming to a world near you very soon.....
the Pistol shrimp whats his input Vrs Yield ..[you asssume too much
NO Mark E I propose to you that there comes a relationship in some cases where an input becomes a "catalyst" to turn something here to fore never perceived as a fuel into Well..
A fuel !
coming to a world near you very soon.....
Edit added 12V [it is a car system]
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You still grossly neglect all entropy changes involved in h2+o >< h2o equilibria @mark E and your supposed to be a scientist,huh.
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The "claim"
[which I cannot discuss yet]
input .34MA output 1 liter HHO in one minute.
the input of .34 MA in the above example is the energy used to yield ! liter Of HHo gas from distilled water
transmit that !!
Chet current is not energy.
Is water a fuel ? when so little input can yield so large an output .34 MA = 1 liter HHO....
or is .34 MA the fuel?? [pick one there are only two choices]
The correct answer is neither. Really, you should know better than this. If one makes a cell that has many very small area plates in series, then the cell will require a high voltage and low current. Conversely, if one has large plates, then a voltage barely above the 1.23V required for the sum of the half reactions will generate lots of gas, while drawing lots of current.
coming to a world near you very soon.....
the Pistol shrimp whats his input Vrs Yield ..[you asssume too much
NO Mark E I propose to you that there comes a relationship in some cases where an input becomes a "catalyst" to turn something here to fore never perceived as a fuel into Well..
A fuel !
coming to a world near you very soon.....
Based on what you have described so far, a critical misunderstanding has already arrived.
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** Below comments completely unrelated to this GDS claim ,and are in reference to a pending Claim.
Mark E
there is no need to discuss this Nonsense [water as fuel] any further.
you are correct I should know better.
and when He puts the water in His gas tank instead of Gas ,I'll make sure to tell him that Mark E said
Don't call it Fuel!!
Note :to be clear this conversation [the .34MA-12V = 1 liter per minute HHO]
has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GDS CLAIM...
Thx
Chet
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Added 12 V [it is a car system]
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Seems like the QEG people are upset with Mr Potter. I guess he is stealing their thunder (or financial targets)
From a QEG Blogger on the Canadian site:
Kevin Blundell: ATTENTION: PLEASE WARN EVERYONE TO STAY CLEAR OR GREG POTTER AND HIS WATER GENERATOR. IT IS A SCAM.
He has now taken down his website. He has, apparently, refused several offers of hundreds of millions of dollars for his machine. He was asking for 5 million just to go see his machine, and on and on.
He now has created a new website where he is selling directions on how to build a unit and charging consultancy fees of $500.
I called him yesterday and called him out on his new revamped website and about his scam etc. I told him I was going to spread the word.
Within hours he edited his website again. Now his site says he is seeking international manufacturers to work with on a royalty basis.
There are far too many inconsistencies and lies coming from Greg.
He has not shown the unit working to anyone yet. He constently changes his story over and over again to try and stop the doubters from informing the public.
STAY CLEAR AND WARN EVERYONE NOT TO GIVE HIM ANY MONEY UNTIL HE SHOWS HIS MACHINE TO SOMEONE WHO CAN REPORT TO THE PUBLIC THAT IT IS REAL.
Devils advocate - maybe he does have a machine….but if he does he is one hell of a shitty business man and his lawyer (yes he claims his lawyer is the one who is advising him not to take any buy out or the millions that he has been offered for his machine)…hahaha… it is so ridiculous
AGAIN - PLEASE WARN EVERYONE TO STAY CLEAR UNTIL HE PROVES THAT HE HAS A MACHINE.
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So how does this end?
I see 3 possible scenarios
1 Greg Potter breaks the laws of physics and we get to see a generator that runs on water
2 Sales and claims are/were made for a fictitious product and the RCMP moves in
3 GDS disappears and the conspiracy sites all post GDS shut down by government / big oil.
My vote #3 if Mr Potter is smart enough to see the writing on the wall.
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Mark E
there is no need to discuss this Nonsense [water as fuel] any further.
you are correct I should know better.
and when He puts the water in His gas tank instead of Gas ,I'll make sure to tell him that Mark E said
Don't call it Fuel!!
He can call it anything he wants but it won't be providing any energy to run his generator. The only thing in his box that can do that is his batteries. And any 12 year old can connect a car battery to an off the shelf 12V to AC inverter.
Note :to be clear this conversation [the .34MA-12V = 1 liter per minute HHO]
has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GDS CLAIM...
I figured that, but thanks for making it clear just the same. Remember current is not power. 0.34mA @ 1V is less than a mW, at 1000V is is 340mW, etc.
Thx
Chet
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Seems like the QEG people are upset with Mr Potter. I guess he is stealing their thunder (or financial targets)
From a QEG Blogger on the Canadian site:
Kevin Blundell: ATTENTION: PLEASE WARN EVERYONE TO STAY CLEAR OR GREG POTTER AND HIS WATER GENERATOR. IT IS A SCAM.
He has now taken down his website. He has, apparently, refused several offers of hundreds of millions of dollars for his machine. He was asking for 5 million just to go see his machine, and on and on.
He now has created a new website where he is selling directions on how to build a unit and charging consultancy fees of $500.
I called him yesterday and called him out on his new revamped website and about his scam etc. I told him I was going to spread the word.
Within hours he edited his website again. Now his site says he is seeking international manufacturers to work with on a royalty basis.
There are far too many inconsistencies and lies coming from Greg.
He has not shown the unit working to anyone yet. He constently changes his story over and over again to try and stop the doubters from informing the public.
STAY CLEAR AND WARN EVERYONE NOT TO GIVE HIM ANY MONEY UNTIL HE SHOWS HIS MACHINE TO SOMEONE WHO CAN REPORT TO THE PUBLIC THAT IT IS REAL.
Devils advocate - maybe he does have a machine….but if he does he is one hell of a shitty business man and his lawyer (yes he claims his lawyer is the one who is advising him not to take any buy out or the millions that he has been offered for his machine)…hahaha… it is so ridiculous
AGAIN - PLEASE WARN EVERYONE TO STAY CLEAR UNTIL HE PROVES THAT HE HAS A MACHINE.
Mark, there are greater odds of Jesus and satan filing for gay marriage together than there is of Greg Potter ever delivering on his BS claims.
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So how does this end?
I see 3 possible scenarios
1 Greg Potter breaks the laws of physics and we get to see a generator that runs on water
2 Sales and claims are/were made for a fictitious product and the RCMP moves in
3 GDS disappears and the conspiracy sites all post GDS shut down by government / big oil.
My vote #3 if Mr Potter is smart enough to see the writing on the wall.
Greg Potter has no choice but to attempt #3. The wire transfer offers were feeble attempts to try and monetize his scam and they already failed.
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He still says he will finance one so I'm going to see if I can get him on illegal consideration.
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I'm hoping that the RCMP moves in and busts him.
Every country should have a fraud investigation division that targets low-level scammers. The scammers are hoping that they can fly under the RADAR and get away with their crimes because they are small fry. However, there are a lot of them.
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" I'm hoping that the RCMP moves in and busts him."
Not a chance...professional courtesy.
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Chet:
The "claim"
[which I cannot discuss yet]
input .34MA-12V output 1 liter HHO in one minute.
If you back what appears to be another scam you will hear about it from me. If your "fun" ends up harming people then it would be no fun for the people that got burned.
You are clearly highly susceptible to believing in free energy scams. In order for there to be balance, sometimes your projects are going to get challenged. You are not the Thought Police for what is posted on a given thread.
MileHigh
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So an offer to investigate a claim for this community at no cost whatsoever to the community,
as well as no gain whatsoever to the test group [other than the truth]
Makes me "susceptible to scams" and an accomplice in your world .
?
good to know that MH.
no need to add anymore.[I get it]
Thanks
Chet
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Chet:
I have no objection in principle if there is no cost to the community. But if you try to get money or resources from the community for investigating what appears to be a scam, people will comment.
The most important thing is freedom of expression. So if you back something that looks like junk, you are going to get comments. You can't suppress the comments just because you are backing something. Likewise, nobody will stop you if you get supporters to do some investigations.
Fair is fair. Human psychology is that people tend to repeat things and I know that gets very annoying to you. I don't have an answer for that.
For what it's worth, I was in favour of the GDS testing because it was a way of exposing him if he would actually deliver a device. Of course I was never expecting that to happen - that appears to be where we are right now.
MileHigh
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If you back what appears to be another scam you will hear about it from me. If your "fun" ends up harming people then it would be no fun for the people that got burned.
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I will not be able to respect your input if you continue to add make believe scenarios to what I am actually doing or offering.
no Money is received or solicited By the test group ,NEVER HAS BEEN.
No offer to investigate a claim should ever be perceived By any sane person as an endorsement of said claim
your trying to controls something that you have no control over
I suggest you file a formal complaint immediately with the appropriate authority's [against me]
hopefully they'll keep you in the rubber room at least until Christmas is over...
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Well if my rubber room isn't as nice as your "water as fuel/resonating spoons/pistol shrimp" rubber room then perhaps we can time share.
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If you back what appears to be another scam you will hear about it from me. If your "fun" ends up harming people then it would be no fun for the people that got burned.
End quote
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MH
I will not be able to respect your input if you continue to add make believe scenarios to what I am actually doing or offering.
no Money is received or solicited By the test group ,NEVER HAS BEEN.
OK so what was all that about wanting money from others and myself to buy a set of plans from Greg Potter that we just went over yesterday? I don't see that solicitation as a problem. People could easily reject the value proposition and here people did.
No offer to investigate a claim should ever be perceived By any sane person as an endorsement of said claim
I agree and don't have any problem with your willingness to look at a claim, no matter how obvious it is that the claims are total BS.
your trying to controls something that you have no control over
I suggest you file a formal complaint immediately with the appropriate authority's [against me]
hopefully they'll keep you in the rubber room at least until Christmas is over...
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you fellows Mark E Mh and now Nink, play from the shadows ,poke and jab ,wrestle and stab
to me its like Mr.Magoo and the Windmill.
Its fun for you,you get to feel smart and useful ,and... you get to feel smart and useful ,etc etc etc.
collectively you fellahs probably have 1000 hrs into this fun project
me about 2 hrs.
I figure maybe by some very remote possibility your time has value??
or a worth to it.
so when Twink says "Oh Look Plans for sale"
Chet says to Nink " Oh heres your chance to get away cheap boys ,Lets buy the plans and send them to TK for vetting
Chet has 100 in the till for this"
"you boyz in"??
In Poker its called a bluff [in this case a potentially much bigger Bluff had you agreed [the phone call that could have been to Mr.Potter]]
instead you cry foul and offer all manner of Offence to the offer...
so you guys are rookies, you play soft ball from the shadows.
and your time is apparently "worthless" to you ..
mine is not ,because I am prepared to do much more than you would ever dream of doing
for this community and plan on doing even more in the near future.
and to a level of scrutiny that you could Never say a peep about [like you love to with Sterling]
have fun fellahs
Oh..
and I will be calling Mr.Potter next week .
thx
Chet
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Mark E
you fellows Mark E Mh and now Nink, play from the shadows ,poke and jab ,wrestle and stab
to me its like Mr.Magoo and the Windmill.
Its fun for you,you get to feel smart and useful ,and... you get to feel smart and useful ,etc etc etc.
collectively you fellahs probably have 1000 hrs into this fun project
me about 2 hrs.
I figure maybe by some very remote possibility your time has value??
or a worth to it.
so when Twink says "Oh Look Plans for sale"
Chet says to Nink " Oh heres your chance to get away cheap boys ,Lets buy the plans and send them to TK for vetting
Chet has 100 in the till for this"
"you boyz in"??
In Poker its called a bluff [in this case a potentially much bigger Bluff had you agreed [the phone call that could have been to Mr.Potter]]
instead you cry foul and offer all manner of Offence to the offer...
so you guys are rookies, you play soft ball from the shadows.
Chet, Greg Potter's offer for plans was no different than any of those Nigerian advance fee scams. Greg Potter doesn't have what he claims. That's pretty much the long and short of it. No one with any sense would give Greg Potter a dime against any of his promises.
and your time is apparently "worthless" to you ..
mine is not ,because I am prepared to do much more than you would ever dream of doing
for this community and plan on doing even more in the near future.
Plans are nice Chet. Aspirations are nice too. But no amount of good intentions will make a fairy tale come true.
and to a level of scrutiny that you could Never say a peep about [like you love to with Sterling]
have fun fellahs
Oh..
and I will be calling Mr.Potter next week .
thx
Chet
Good for you Chet. What won't be happening next week or the week or month or year or decade after will be Greg Potter delivering on his claims. You are in the Magnacoaster realm now. One delay will follow another until you give up.
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The immense gratitude owed to the ever vigilent Captain John Braddock's Racket Squad Rat Pack!
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This is my last article on the subject and includes many other comments from people like George Wiseman
There is only entertainment value here now.
http://revolution-green.com/water-powered-gen-mr-potter-wizard-water/
Kind Regards
Mark
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I'm hoping that the RCMP moves in and busts him.
Every country should have a fraud investigation division that targets low-level scammers. The scammers are hoping that they can fly under the RADAR and get away with their crimes because they are small fry. However, there are a lot of them.
You're free lancing for Nelson Eddy and Seargent Preston now. Tell me this Holmes, if water's not a fuel how can Dr. Kanzius burn it? A Royal Canadian super sleuth huh!
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Kanzius uses a lot of electric power, as microwaves, to turn the water into gases, then he burns the gases. Since he is burning salt water, it burns with the characteristic yellow flame of sodium. He is putting in a lot more energy than he is getting out, and guess what the "ash" is of his burning: it is water.
To claim that he is "burning water" as a fuel is about the same thing as claiming you are eating dirt with sunshine dressing, when you have a nice green salad for brunch.
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You're free lancing for Nelson Eddy and Seargent Preston now. Tell me this Holmes, if water's not a fuel how can Dr. Kanzius burn it?
copy/paste/google/wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius
It took me all of 30 seconds.
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Kanzius uses a lot of electric power, as microwaves, to turn the water into gases, then he burns the gases. Since he is burning salt water, it burns with the characteristic yellow flame of sodium. He is putting in a lot more energy than he is getting out, and guess what the "ash" is of his burning: it is water.
To claim that he is "burning water" as a fuel is about the same thing as claiming you are eating dirt with sunshine dressing, when you have a nice green salad for brunch.
Maybe you're eating dinosaurs when you burn environmentally destructive black sand ooze. I got a make on your stinking Keystone Canuck crew now bub.
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Black gold, Texas tea! lol
Or there are giant scooper machines in the tundra scraping away at the goop so you can have your hot shower and bacon and eggs.
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A canard of twony royalist canucks. Lo!
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My water fueled drinking bird is still going strong and creating a massive .002 Watts of earth shattering power. I just need 2,500,000 more birds, 10 football fields, 500 miles of copper wire and 10 Million magnets and I will show all you non believers what a 5,000W water powered generator can do.
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Here is a video showing you just what a drinking bird can do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYhNw6SuTfA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYhNw6SuTfA)
Nink...I like your idea too, but that is a lot of birds...ha ha.
Bill
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Here is a video showing you just what a drinking bird can do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYhNw6SuTfA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYhNw6SuTfA)
Nink...I like your idea too, but that is a lot of birds...ha ha.
Bill
I love it, the sad thing is that this is about as advanced as we have gotten with using water as a fuel (evaporative cooled heat exchange engine). If you scroll back about 20 pages or so there was some photos of my bird setup using coils and magnets and it's about as effective. (maybe if we combine the two, :-)
Here is a vine without his coils on my twitter feed https://twitter.com/NINK/status/528252772291207169 he is since gone through a transformation Rastafarian look with felt aluminum and graphene ink (you can guess what I am up to now). The bird feeder was the real genius so I don't have to fill up the water and I know how much he drinks
WATER IS NOT FUEL
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I love it, the sad thing is that this is about as advanced as we have gotten with using water as a fuel (evaporative cooled heat exchange engine). If you scroll back about 20 pages or so there was some photos of my bird setup using coils and magnets and it's about as effective. (maybe if we combine the two, :-)
Here is a vine without his coils on my twitter feed https://twitter.com/NINK/status/528252772291207169 (https://twitter.com/NINK/status/528252772291207169) he is since gone through a transformation Rastafarian look with felt aluminum and graphene ink (you can guess what I am up to now). The bird feeder was the real genius so I don't have to fill up the water and I know how much he drinks
WATER IS NOT FUEL
Very creative Sir. I like it. I especially like the bird feeder gravity water feed supply bottle. Very nice work.
Bill
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Maybe you're eating dinosaurs when you burn environmentally destructive black sand ooze. I got a make on your stinking Keystone Canuck crew now bub.
A substance is a fuel when it is consumed in the process of releasing energy. Fuel goes in, energy and waste product (ash) come out.
If you could get back all of your feedstock at the end of a cycle that also delivers net energy then you got something for nothing. One might reasonably then ask: Why do you need the feedstock that doesn't get consumed?
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A substance is a fuel when it is consumed in the process of releasing energy. Fuel goes in, energy and waste product (ash) come out.
If you could get back all of your feedstock at the end of a cycle that also delivers net energy then you got something for nothing. One might reasonably then ask: Why do you need the feedstock that doesn't get consumed?
The cost of refining petroleum does not justify it's production alone. The manufacturing of plastic is needed to make the process profitable. The other thing is, the COP of the Kanzius burn process depends on the amount of water placed in the radiation zone and the number of burners ignited. It can cost less to burn water his way then to manufacture petroleum.
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The cost of refining petroleum does not justify it's production alone. The manufacturing of plastic is needed to make the process profitable. The other thing is, the COP of the Kanzius burn process depends on the amount of water placed in the radiation zone and the number of burners ignited. It can cost less to burn water his way then to manufacture petroleum.
Where do you get those ideas?
Refineries use their own feedstock for power.
Kanzius takes salt water, adds lots of energy by wave of microwaves, produces intermediate products of salt, hydrogen, and oxygen gasses, combusts the hydrogen with the oxygen, and ends up back with the salt water feedstock. Kanzius RIP would have been better off just taking electricity from the outlet to power whatever he wanted.
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Kanzius uses a lot of electric power, as microwaves, to turn the water into gases, then he burns the gases. Since he is burning salt water, it burns with the characteristic yellow flame of sodium. He is putting in a lot more energy than he is getting out, and guess what the "ash" is of his burning: it is water.
To claim that he is "burning water" as a fuel is about the same thing as claiming you are eating dirt with sunshine dressing, when you have a nice green salad for brunch.
The frequency generated to start with was in the 13-14Mhz range (13.56Mhz) which is High Frequency, 13.56Mhz is the industrial frequency which does not need a license. The final frequency in the water is another thing, what a lot do not understand is this was using a feedback, similar to a microphone infront of a speaker, but in this case a reciever on the other side of the test tube. The resulting EM waves have a profound effect on the oxygen more than the hydrogen, creating elongation of the molecular bond and finally breaking the bond (it is infact molecular stress that finally breaks the bond), NaCl is just a catylist to create a charge separation, there are others that can do this as well.
I believe the input power was 300w (input and not radiating) and tests done by third parties showed that it was up in the 90% efficient as it stood, so correct not OU. This was taken on by the navy and is to be used (is used) to make aircraft fuel onboard the aircraft carriers, energy used not being a problem when you have only 25% of their reactor power being used, so energy comes for free in this case ;) and so does the starting material, the ocean, CO2 maybe needed if the ocean does not supply enough, but I believe it does.
This is not new, it was done back in the 70's and again in the 80's, just a little covered within the description (poetic licence? I'm sure it was).
Best regards
Mike G6GVA amongst others
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Where do you get those ideas?
Refineries use their own feedstock for power.
Kanzius takes salt water, adds lots of energy by wave of microwaves, produces intermediate products of salt, hydrogen, and oxygen gasses, combusts the hydrogen with the oxygen, and ends up back with the salt water feedstock. Kanzius RIP would have been better off just taking electricity from the outlet to power whatever he wanted.
The U.S. Navy makes fuel this way. Now you look real smart again with your impudent RCMP credentials.
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The U.S. Navy makes fuel this way. Now you look real smart again with your impudent RCMP credentials.
Synchro1 read what you just wrote: "The US Navy makes fuel this way." Neither the water nor the carbon dioxide feed stocks are fuel. They are feed stock to a process that makes fuel out of those feed stocks by using a lot of energy.
I don't know what you are on about with the RCMP.
Here is something to think about: Are hydrocarbons the ultimate hydrogen storage mechanism? Suppose that one had a convenient and low-cost way to capture tail pipe CO2. Suppose also that one had a: clean, plentiful, and cheap source of electricity. One could then take advantage of the advantages of liquid fuels without having to pull oil from the ground, or dump net CO2 into the atmosphere.
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If you attach a wind turbine to the roof of your electric car will you charge your battery as you drive along so you can drive further?
If I put a Pelton wheel in front of my electric water pump can I use the energy crrated to ruñ the water pump.
If I convert water to HOH can I use the hydrogen gas to convert more water to HOH?
Yes you will generate energy from all these examples but the energy created is less than the energy used to create it.
I can't believe we continue to have this discussion
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Synchro1 read what you just wrote: "The US Navy makes fuel this way." Neither the water nor the carbon dioxide feed stocks are fuel. They are feed stock to a process that makes fuel out of those feed stocks by using a lot of energy.
I don't know what you are on about with the RCMP.
Here is something to think about: Are hydrocarbons the ultimate hydrogen storage mechanism? Suppose that one had a convenient and low-cost way to capture tail pipe CO2. Suppose also that one had a: clean, plentiful, and cheap source of electricity. One could then take advantage of the advantages of liquid fuels without having to pull oil from the ground, or dump net CO2 into the atmosphere.
All you need to do is find an extension cord long enough to reach down to the carrier from an altitude of 30,000 feet! Try burning potash by focusing high frequency broadcast radiation at it!
Quote from Kookcooala:
"Take some white ashes from your fireplace. Get some more energy out of that, why don't you? Nobody would even try, they know it's a waste of time".
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To those who believe and hope someday we will have free energy!!!
This guy is not going to change the world,, I can guarantee you this guy is out to steal your money.
I have posted on this site, to wake up people that believe and hope in this guy.
I have built this machine years ago and it does not last I don't know how much more I can say.
There is no secret behind his generator it is straightforward very simple for most people to understand.
James Hardy
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If you attach a wind turbine to the roof of your electric car will you charge your battery as you drive along so you can drive further?
If I put a Pelton wheel in front of my electric water pump can I use the energy crrated to ruñ the water pump.
If I convert water to HOH can I use the hydrogen gas to convert more water to HOH?
Yes you will generate energy from all these examples but the energy created is less than the energy used to create it.
I can't believe we continue to have this discussion
I can believe it. Look at how reasoned, factual responses are met with insults and foot-stomping. Consider the source...
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I will say it again...nobody knows whether the generator has been modified.
For example, look at the thread about the lensless generator...who's to say he hasn't done something similar with his generator ?
Regards...
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I can believe it. Look at how reasoned, factual responses are met with insults and foot-stomping. Consider the source...
It's more correct to compare salt water to crude oil then it is to compare it to potash based on the arguments you're citing.
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I will say it again...nobody knows whether the generator has been modified.
For example, look at the thread about the lensless generator...who's to say he hasn't done something similar with his generator ?
Regards...
I say it, and the evidence is the sloppy visible wiring in the displayed unit. Anyone who could rewire a generator would not make such a mess of the simple wiring in the rest of the device. Would you?
Not only that, but also nothing has been demonstrated that contradicts the assertion that the batteries are simply powering the rest of the stuff in the perfectly ordinary manner that anyone can achieve with COTS parts.
Now, where is there any _evidence_ that he has modified anything in that unit to make it "water powered"?
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It's more correct to compare salt water to crude oil then it is to compare it to potash based on the arguments you're citing.
Where have I mentioned crude oil, or potash? Water, salty or not, is not a fuel. It can be converted to fuel by the use of energy, and the resulting energy you get from the water-converted-to-gaseous-fuel is _always_ less than the energy needed to convert it in the first place. If you are the US Navy, with nuclear reactors giving you more energy than you can use, but you _can_ use gaseous fuels in your portable vehicles, then accepting the hit in energy may be worthwhile. Most of the energy produced by the Navy's reactors is wasted as unused heat, anyhow. Stand in your backyard with a garden hose on full blast spraying water into the yard. If I come by with a bucket and catch some of the spray for my own use, does that show up on your water bill?
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My repeatedly ignored point is that no one can make definitive or conclusive statements without knowing what is inside the generator.
Speculation is all that can be done until that is determined or the presenter goes into full Hope girl mode.
Regards...
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Water is not a fuel, because it is the _ash_ of burning fuel, that is, burning hydrogen. Water is a _low energy state_ of the combined H and O atoms; it takes energy to split the water molecule to yield hydrogen and oxygen gases. If you had a perfect, no-loss-whatsoever system (the magic factor) you could get nearly as much energy back by burning the gases as you put in to split the water in the first place. But there are no perfect, zero loss electrolysis systems or hydrogen or ho-ho-ho burning engines.
Take some white ashes from your fireplace. Get some more energy out of that, why don't you? Nobody would even try, they know it's a waste of time.
Injection of water into the combustion chambers of internal combustion engines, either by direct manifold or cylinder injection or by mixing it with fuel in an emulsion, can have benefits such as increased fuel economy, smoother burning in high-compression supercharged engines, even increased power in such engines that operate at manifold pressures greater than ambient. None of these effects are due to "burning water" though, in fact just the opposite. The water retards explosive combustion (knocking) and promotes even fuel burn. If there is too much water, though, you may have more power than without the water, but your TBO (time between overhauls) will go way down. If you are, say, using your big turbosupercharged radial engine operating at 40 inches of MAP to deliver bombs or food to troops, who cares about TBO, nobody does, that's what mechanics are for. If you are trying to make a consumer-grade economy vehicle, your manipulations had better not cut the lifetime of the engine in half, or your extra power just isn't worth it.
Here's where you say it Einstien!
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Here's where you say it Einstien!
White ashes from your fireplace are not potash. They have to be processed first and the yield of actual "pot ash" from them is low. Nowadays the term "potash" refers to mined minerals that are not the same composition as what you get from plant ashes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potash
Now go ahead and burn some potash, from any source, and tell me what happens.
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My repeatedly ignored point is that no one can make definitive or conclusive statements without knowing what is inside the generator.
Speculation is all that can be done until that is determined or the presenter goes into full Hope girl mode.
Regards...
Nobody is ignoring your point, even when you are being your usual insulting self. I am allowed to express my opinion and to state the observable facts upon which that opinion is based. There is no observable fact that supports your repeatedly stated opinion that there could be some alteration or rewiring of any of the COTS components visible in the box. Is there? If there is you haven't stated it, as I have stated my observed facts which support my considered opinion. Feel free to state the observable facts which support your own opinion, at any time.
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White ashes from your fireplace are not potash. They have to be processed first and the yield of actual "pot ash" from them is low. Nowadays the term "potash" refers to mined minerals that are not the same composition as what you get from plant ashes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potash)
Now go ahead and burn some potash, from any source, and tell me what happens.
This amounts to just another one of your "bullcrap" dodges. Crude oil is a better comparison for water then white ash from a fireplace.
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Nobody is ignoring your point, even when you are being your usual insulting self. I am allowed to express my opinion and to state the observable facts upon which that opinion is based. There is no observable fact that supports your repeatedly stated opinion that there could be some alteration or rewiring of any of the COTS components visible in the box. Is there? If there is you haven't stated it, as I have stated my observed facts which support my considered opinion. Feel free to state the observable facts which support your own opinion, at any time.
It wood seem that presenting evidence which infers that another forum member is a criminal to discredit him in order to gain back lost ground in a debate is something I should just let pass without expressing my disgust.
Well, thats just me being my "usual insulting self".
Now he's just "expressing" his opinion...and I guess he's also free to 'express' his "considered" opinion that Potter is a fraud, read criminal.
Its hard to explain conduct like that away, especially when the same pattern of behavior continues unabated.
But it does serve to divert attention away from "my repeatedly ignored point is that no one can make definitive or conclusive statements without knowing what is inside the generator".
Regards...
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This amounts to just another one of your "bullcrap" dodges. Crude oil is a better comparison for water then white ash from a fireplace.
Synchro, no not at all: Crude oil has internal energy that can be released even without any processing. Water and white ash do not.
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Potter is a fraud. And fraud is a crime. Any questions?
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Fraud is a crime and requires proof.
Without solid evidence of fraud, to make such an accusation without proof is slander, and is actionable.
We are now at the point where we shall either have evidence of fraud, or we shall have evidence of slander.
Regards...
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It wood seem that presenting evidence which infers that another forum member is a criminal to discredit him in order to gain back lost ground in a debate is something I should just let pass without expressing my disgust.
Well, thats just me being my "usual insulting self".
Now he's just "expressing" his opinion...and I guess he's also free to 'express' his "considered" opinion that Potter is a fraud, read criminal.
Its hard to explain conduct like that away, especially when the same pattern of behavior continues unabated.
But it does serve to divert attention away from "my repeatedly ignored point is that no one can make definitive or conclusive statements without knowing what is inside the generator".
Regards...
Yes, we don't know what is inside the magic black box, so you assume that it is indeed something magic and that it works. Nice failed logic there. We assume that it does not. Logic is on our side along with 10,000 years of science and physics.
But, maybe you are right. We won't "KNOW" until Chet and his people get a look at it. I, of course, will probably be dead before that happens, and so will you. But, if you enjoy clinging to false hope, who am I to stop you?
Have at it.
Bill
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Fraud is a crime and requires proof.
Without solid evidence of fraud, to make such an accusation without proof is slander, and is actionable.
Regards...
Um...please read some legal books before making such stupids remarks.
Slander is the spoken word. I really doubt that you heard anyone say anything here on this forum. (Please try to ignore the voices in your head as they do not count)
Libel, yes, that is the word that you are obviously ignorant about. Libel is the act of PRINTING something that is first, (and most important here) not true. Second, it must damage someone in a monetary way. Also, the claimant must prove these two points in court.
Other than that, you were totally correct.
Like I suggested, please read and learn some things before posting. It just might make you appear to be less of an idiot.
Bill
PS Truth is an absolute defense in any libel case. Look it up.
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Yes, we don't know what is inside the magic black box, so you assume that it is indeed something magic and that it works. Nice failed logic there.
Bill
Ahar ahar thar...it appears the drunken pirate has come to...I like how he immediately falsely infers that I expressed belief in this device.
Unlike him and his handlers, I'm just not into calling someone a fraud until I see clear evidence of fraud...like I did with the Hope Girl character.
Nobody needed to convince me when I finally saw enough.
Since his post was based on a false premise the rest of it became irrelevant to anything constructive..
Regards...
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Since his post was based on a false premise the rest of it became irrelevant to anything constructive..
Regards...
In your mind. The rest of us know I am correct.
But, thanks for trying.
Bill
PS Just how much money did you end up donating to HopeGirl's fraud? Are you embarrassed to tell us? I understand. It's funny that it took you a while to figure out it was a fraud. And now, others that know more than you are telling you this guy is a fraud also, and, since you are a little behind the curve, you attack them for it. A month from now you will be agreeing with them. Maybe you should listen to them?
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Fraud is a crime and requires proof.
Without solid evidence of fraud, to make such an accusation without proof is slander, and is actionable.
We are now at the point where we shall either have evidence of fraud, or we shall have evidence of slander.
Regards...
Fraud is a crime and convicting an individual of the crime requires proof. Greg Potter has already established that he does not have what he claims and has offered for sale. Ergo he has committed fraud. Water isn't fuel. His generators cannot delivered his claimed output for even an hour before his batteries deplete. Thanks for playing.
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So, now I am/was a supporter/backer of Hope Girl...OKaaaaaay.
Needles to say there will be ZERO evidence of that dug up.
Yo ho ho an' a bottle of rum...hmmm, mabe better make that 2 or 3...4, I really don't know his limit...I've seen them go for days.
He's probably got a few hard miles on him already tho...so its hard to say...lets say 6.
Regards...
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Unlike him and his handlers, I'm just not into calling someone a fraud until I see clear evidence of fraud...like I did with the Hope Girl character.
Nobody needed to convince me when I finally saw enough.
Emphasis mine. Admitting that it took you a while to figure it out. That's fine as long as you realize that smarter folks than you didn't take that long. The same applies here. If you can possibly try to get over yourself, you will see that I am correct. Everyone else does.
Bill
Enough said.
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Um...please read some legal books before making such stupids remarks.
Slander is the spoken word. I really doubt that you heard anyone say anything here on this forum. (Please try to ignore the voices in your head as they do not count)
Libel, yes, that is the word that you are obviously ignorant about. Libel is the act of PRINTING something that is first, (and most important here) not true. Second, it must damage someone in a monetary way. Also, the claimant must prove these two points in court.
Postings on the internet within the USA are most often treated as speech and not writings.
Other than that, you were totally correct.
Like I suggested, please read and learn some things before posting. It just might make you appear to be less of an idiot.
Bill
PS Truth is an absolute defense in any libel case. Look it up.
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Postings on the internet within the USA are most often treated as speech and not writings.
I respectfully disagree. Since things printed on the internet are protected by copyright law, which covers the printed word, libel is the only type of case that can be made by a post on the internet. There are many interesting cases that support this. No different than any other publication like newspapers or magazines. Now, if you make a video and speak slanderous words in that video, that is a different story. That would come under the slander protection provisions in the law.
At least, that is the way cases are treated here in the U.S. Of course, internet law is constantly in flux, and lagging behind the technology a bit.
Bill
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*tosses shiny object into thread*
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I respectfully disagree. Since things printed on the internet are protected by copyright law, which covers the printed word, libel is the only type of case that can be made by a post on the internet. There are many interesting cases that support this. No different than any other publication like newspapers or magazines. Now, if you make a video and speak slanderous words in that video, that is a different story. That would come under the slander protection provisions in the law.
At least, that is the way cases are treated here in the U.S. Of course, internet law is constantly in flux, and lagging behind the technology a bit.
Bill
If you go dig through anti-SLAPP actions you'll find quite a number of rulings where internet postings were treated as speech and not writings. The recurrent concept is that internet postings are far more spontaneous than traditional written publications. The distinction matters a lot as to what the allegedly defamed party has to prove.
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It depends upon several factors as to whether it
actually constitutes "libel."
What is defamation, libel and slander? (http://www.traverselegal.com/internet-defamation/defamation-libel-slander/)
INTERNET LAW - Understanding Internet Defamation (http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_portal_view.aspx?s=latestnews&id=1874)
To further complicate the matter today's juries
are very easily manipulated in those cases which
do play out in courts.
The Love of Money is a terrible thing.
MarkE's suggestion above is a good one.
SLAPP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation)
Anti-SLAPP resource center (http://www.thefirstamendment.org/antislappresourcecenter.html)
Ripoff Report (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r//anti-slapp-laws/government-corrupption/first-ammendment-rights-chill-free-speech-EA115.htm-863513)
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Well I guess all of us non believers will have egg on our faces on the 15th of December when Chet rocks up to GDS 100K+ square foot plant they have in an undisclosed secret location and test one of the 10 working prototypes Sterling says they have, plug in our 5 * 1000 watt heaters and spend the next 12 hours melting a massive pile of snow. Although I am a little confused why it will still overheat after 12 hours when it's below freezing outside.
Hey I am still happy to attend that day but still waiting on the invite and location.
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Well I guess all of us non believers will have egg on our faces on the 15th of December when Chet rocks up to GDS 100K+ square foot plant they have in an undisclosed secret location and test one of the 10 working prototypes Sterling says they have, plug in our 5 * 1000 watt heaters and spend the next 12 hours melting a massive pile of snow. Although I am a little confused why it will still overheat after 12 hours when it's below freezing outside.
Hey I am still happy to attend that day but still waiting on the invite and location.
Near midnight December 14, a tragic safety heater overload in the Rossi Robotized Industrial Complex will cause the entire facility to fall prey to Searl Effect antigravity devices on board flying saucers built by Mehran Keshe. The secret facility will literally disappear into thin air.
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Here
I brought you fellows a movie [get your own popcorn]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMngKaFQg0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMngKaFQg0) [thx to masterblaster]
enjoy
Chet
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Chet:
I looked at the clip. It's junk! That kind of nonsense is just stupidity and intellectual pollution. It dumbs-down our society.
It isn't a 'secret' anymore that the Sun is electrically powered, only the evidence is increasing as advanced instrumentation lets us see more of it. For example, we can see the same two electric energy bands encircling the Earth that are also evident on the face of the Sun. This means that the same electric energy resource that powers the Sun to its brilliance is also to a lesser degree surrounding the Earth where it powers lightning, hurricanes, tornadoes, and other planetary services. There is evidently plenty of this resource available to also satisfy our comparatively 'puny' human needs.
Absolute junk.
MileHigh
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Here
I brought you fellows a movie [get your own popcorn]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMngKaFQg0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMngKaFQg0) [thx to masterblaster]
enjoy
Chet
OMG Free energy really does exist :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skAePZGgpAA
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Here
I brought you fellows a movie [get your own popcorn]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMngKaFQg0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMngKaFQg0) [thx to masterblaster]
enjoy
Chet
Fielding the solar wind antennas will be a bit of an expense as will coming up with the overstress protections.
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OMG Free energy really does exist :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skAePZGgpAA
Why aren't those in the stores now?
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Why aren't those in the stores now?
I can sell one to you. I am selling the 3000 watt unit for $3000 I call it the BS3000 but you cant run an air conditioner off it for that need my 5000 watt unit the BS5000 that can run 3 air conditioners for $5000. Please send me money directly via bank transfer only (or cash in a paperbag) as I do not accept Credit card etc. I am building 50,000 units in my new 100K square foot factory. They will be ready in March 2015. I have not patented it but I wrote it down on a piece of paper and put it in an envelope and may or may not sell the plans for $499
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I can sell one to you. I am selling the 3000 watt unit for $3000 I call it the BS3000 but you cant run an air conditioner off it for that need my 5000 watt unit the BS5000 that can run 3 air conditioners for $5000. Please send me money directly via bank transfer only (or cash in a paperbag) as I do not accept Credit card etc. I am building 50,000 units in my new 100K square foot factory. They will be ready in March 2015. I have not patented it but I wrote it down on a piece of paper and put it in an envelope and may or may not sell the plans for $499
This is just fantastic! I like that it has an indicator light and an on/off switch for safety. Would it be possible to get a distribution license?
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This is just fantastic! I like that it has an indicator light and an on/off switch for safety. Would it be possible to get a distribution license?
Yes but you have to buy 2 of each unit so that's 70K in my bank account today as I am taking down the distribution agreement tomorrow. By the way about my manufacturing plant would you be able to make this for me I will share royalties
You really see how rediculous this entire thing sounds and have to wonder why anyone with an IQ higher than a brick would fall for it.
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Yes but you have to buy 2 of each unit so that's 70K in my bank account today as I am taking down the distribution agreement tomorrow. By the way about my manufacturing plant would you be able to make this for me I will share royalties
You really see how rediculous this entire thing sounds and have to wonder why anyone with an IQ higher than a brick would fall for it.
It is a completely silly fraud. I think it is an offense to bricks everywhere to suggest even an inanimate object could be fooled by Greg Potter's scam. Only someone hit on the head with a heavy brick or acting like they had could still buy into this farce.
There are legitimate companies that produce portable power units with large banks of Li-ion batteries. They are pricey but don't have the noise issues and such of gasoline powered generators where Honda remains king.
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So what were the results of the test ?
a) The test occurred today and water is really fuel.
b) The test occurred today and it was a failure.
c) The tests were rescheduled and the new date is ?
d) what test ?
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We all need to lighten up. There are other matters happening at the moment that take precedence over the GDS situation, unfortunately.
I hope ramset can find the time to deal properly with GDS but right now is not the time to be bothering him with such things.
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Besides, anyhow.....
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It is the ever moving goal posts of Greg Potter / GDS.
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It is the ever moving goal posts of Greg Potter / GDS.
March 1st 2015. No, wait....
July 15th, 2015 No..hang on...
August 1st, 2015 Baring any unforseen events.
Opps...make that December 20th, 2015. We are pretty sure we will be ready by then....we think.
Bill
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March 1st 2015. No, wait....
July 15th, 2015 No..hang on...
August 1st, 2015 Baring any unforseen events.
Opps...make that December 20th, 2015. We are pretty sure we will be ready by then....we think.
Bill
Exactly. As you and anyone else with a functioning brain figured out back in October when this first appeared here, GP is FoS, has nothing and will keep offering to pay for his burgers "next week".
I am curious how Chet views these developments that were always inevitable. Why? Because W A T E R .. I S .. N O T .. F U E L.
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I can already envision the con. Come "launch" day you get a phone nerd to redirect some international numbers to your home phone. Of course your phone system puts up a front to make it sound like you are navigating through a real company's phone system. You put your fake distributor web sites up and make sure that they are being hosted in the host countries.
CALL DISPLAY - Then this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13t69RVq1YY
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He says it will produce 3000 watts for an hour right? This is normal cause the batteries will be nearly dead by then he does not say its over unity or anything right?
The cooling water will last 3 days not the batteries.
He is very carefull not to say anything that is not true. Notice at 1:48 he is about to say if you hook up your hose it will last for months but they cut it out because they know the batteries will run down in an hour or so. Simple battery powered inverter i would not consider it a generator very misleading to the little old lady but nothing special here.
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He says it will produce 3000 watts for an hour right? This is normal cause the batteries will be nearly dead by then he does not say its over unity or anything right?
The cooling water will last 3 days not the batteries.
He is very carefull not to say anything that is not true. Notice at 1:48 he is about to say if you hook up your hose it will last for months but they cut it out because they know the batteries will run down in an hour or so. Simple battery powered inverter i would not consider it a generator very misleading to the little old lady but nothing special here.
Wrong, he claims that it runs for eight hours and longer, which of course it cannot do at its stated capacity.
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Water is not a fuel,Lenz cannot be delayed,there is no such thing as Overunity....(and if there were it would be two words not one :) )
Words and talk ,they are cheap ..no cost or investment ,never a goalpost or commitment ,no obligation inferred or implied....
A strong faith in your fellow man required too, that he has seen all and done all that will ever be ,forever and ever...."AMEN"
Men of faith that like to talk .....(cheaply)
Give me a doer any day give me a thinker and a tinker ,give me the curious and the men that stare at the ruts you drive in and say "what if " "why not"......
Regarding GDS ,I do not believe or have "faith" in words ,I have faith in our ability to investigate,and this is all it has ever been from "OUR"part, an offer to investigate a claim.
Period...
Talk on cheap men of faith ,talk on.....
"Water is not a fuel " "there is no delay in Lenz" and there's no such thing as "Overunity"(whether it be one word or two).
I'll take a doer over a cheap talker anyday.
And that's what I have to say about that M ark E and MH
talk on.......
Or should I say "as you were"!! And forever more shall be...
Naahhhhh
You'll see"....................
And then it will be your turn to move the goalposts!!
Chet
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If you want to take a "doer" over a "cheap talker" I am all for that. The problem with you is that you have to keep your eye on the ball. The people making the often-dubious propositions are the ones that have the ball. They are the cheap talkers because they are the making propositions without any substance or proof to back up their claims.
It's the old cliche about who bears the burden of proof. There is no "magic workaround" for who bears the burden of proof even though you would like to believe it.
You are talking to the wrong people. Talk is cheap, I think we can all agree on that.
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Water is not a fuel,Lenz cannot be delayed,there is no such thing as Overunity....(and if there were it would be two words not one :) )
I will be happy to be persuaded otherwise by factual evidence. Ah, and there is the problem: No one who has ever tried has shown one of these things to be true.
Words and talk ,they are cheap ..no cost or investment ,never a goalpost or commitment ,no obligation inferred or implied....
A strong faith in your fellow man required too, that he has seen all and done all that will ever be ,forever and ever...."AMEN"
Chet the goalposts are quite fixed: Provide evidence that supports claims of the extraordinary or see them rejected.
Men of faith that like to talk .....(cheaply)
Give me a doer any day give me a thinker and a tinker ,give me the curious and the men that stare at the ruts you drive in and say "what if " "why not"......
Curiosity is a good thing. Harboring fantasy for the sake of it is unproductive.
Regarding GDS ,I do not believe or have "faith" in words ,I have faith in our ability to investigate,and this is all it has ever been from "OUR"part, an offer to investigate a claim.
Period...
Given that Greg Potter has now consistently frustrated your efforts to investigate, what do you think? Do you realize that his promises were empty? Do you realize that he is not a man of his word? Given that he has offered zero evidence that supports his outlandish claims do you discount them yet?
Talk on cheap men of faith ,talk on.....
"Water is not a fuel " "there is no delay in Lenz" and there's no such thing as "Overunity"(whether it be one word or two).
I'll take a doer over a cheap talker anyday.
And that's what I have to say about that M ark E and MH
talk on.......
Or should I say "as you were"!! And forever more shall be...
Naahhhhh
You'll see"....................
And then it will be your turn to move the goalposts!!
Chet
Chet what have you and the "doers" managed to do with GDS over the past two months other than keep faith in obvious lies?
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Unfortunately a heck of a lot of "doers" are idiots!
There are some things that are reliable and life as
we know it wouldn't exist if they weren't .
Just imagine if gravity or induction started misbehaving.
It's no use having faith in a dream.
Show a good scientist a viable idea and he/she will
do their best to go along with it,
John.
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Minnie
I do not question Terrafirma or gravity or water ,I appreciate them and their purpose ,or apparent purpose
Nor do I place myself into the position of assuming that they will always be as I see them,or have been taught to see them.
I no longer assume we know all there is to know about gravity or water or the what ifs....
It is a privilege that I declare by free will.
And to be clear there are all levels of ignorance ,and I do not imply we should aspire to ignorance
Or to be so..
Quite the contrary!
Mark E
GDS ??
I see your a bit of a word twister..and assumer...
Perhaps you should actually read what I wrote about that in my last Post,it describes the entire unchanging scope of OUR commitment
Actually to this moment nothing has changed....
And I could care less about dates,I'm in no rush ATM.
Just buried my 30 year old soninlaw last week and spending some time with my daughter and my 3 year old granddaughter while she prepares to give birth to another baby in 3 days..
I have other things on my mind ATM
Thx
Chet
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Chet, I am sorry for your loss.
I think that it is fascinating that Greg Potter's predictable and predicted actions leave you unfazed in your belief that his claims warrant technical investigation. It is your choice but I think it should be quite clear to all now that the impediment to checking out Greg Potter's claims is Greg Potter refusing access, and that he refuses access because he knows his claims are false.
I also find fascinating your apparent resentment for those who correctly predicted that Greg Potter would keep shifting the goal posts. He had insisted that he would have volume production available for sale 12/15. Now, he doesn't want anyone coming around to look at anything for another three months. We all know what is going to happen come March: Those goal posts will move yet again.
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Mark E
You are easily fascinated ,and assume way to much about what offends me...
As I stated from day one ,there is an offer on the table to investigate a claim
Nothing more nothing less.
Please do not feel the need to imply anything from this offer,it does not apply to you or anyone reading these pages.
Thx
And good bye..
Chet
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Chet:
That is terrible news about your son-in-law. For what is is worth, you have my condolences.
I am very sorry for your loss.
Bill
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Bill
Thank you
Yes very ruff times ahead,but I have also been amazed at this young mans legacy,literally hundreds of strangers came to his service ...
It is not my wish to discuss this or him here,I am just trying to catch my breathe .
Thanks to all the kind words here and elsewhere.
Jeremy had a saying he used to like..
"It's never so bad ...that it's not good for something "
We move on...
Thx
Chet
Ps
But not today !
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GDS is back on the send me lots of money and become a distributor angle again.
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The BS from this clown Potter just rolls on. Of course the thousands of units per month that were supposed to be rolling off the line in the secret factory never materialized. They must be piling up in the secret warehouse.
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The BS from this clown Potter just rolls on. Of course the thousands of units per month that were supposed to be rolling off the line in the secret factory never materialized. They must be piling up in the secret warehouse.
Well...something sure seems to be piling up.
Bill
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So if you are a sucker for GDS and you have dreams of reselling GDS free energy generators and Mary Kay Cosmetics, then make sure the terms of your PO indicate 50% cash pre-paid. No dinero no agua.
The whole modus operandi here is to commit bank transfer or check fraud and be a small enough fish to escape the attention of the police and governmental authorities.
This guy is a criminal, and the free energy cottage industry is filled to the brim with criminals of varying degree because there are people out there that will part with their cash. That's the main reason I am here, to help reduce these incidents. If you let crime run rampant then one day you will wake up and it will be like living in Brazil with fear and crime running rampant on the streets in broad daylight.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=814_1421419739
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I had originally thought he had forgotten the password to the Mexican site as he had messed up the Canadian site a few months ago and left the French flag link to a missing page. It appears he has now updated the Mexican site http://www.gdsenergy.mx/ but still left the dead URL.
I am suspecting he doesnt know html (originally he had a web design company build it) and a few months ago he had an ad on kijiji looking for a web designer after he accidentally blew the old website away. Now all he knows how to do is add some basic text and not even imbed his video, images or links to PDFs.
Anyway based on the price of oil it is cheaper to buy a liter of gas than a bottle of water so he needs to focus on turning fuel into water and not the reverse.
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Lol
I cant believe none of you can pick this apart. It is two units one for 120 volt one 240 volt water cooled. The mystery components are hardly a mystery. Two electric motors two very large resistors two batteries a water pump and a fan or two. It is unfortunate for him he will not get any better then a design patent if he tries to do so. Of course the morons at the patent office might let it slip through until a protest is lodged that there is already a patent. He had little choice but to miss lead people into thinking it runs on water. The slight of hand also applies to the slight of words.
The more interesting fact is how many people are so quick to call it a scam or fraud just because don't know how it works. Is it not up to the person who does to make it share wear or to try to make a living from the work they applied to recover some of the expense of getting something to work? The cost of the parts alone does not leave that much room for profit. If he is making 500. off each unit he will quickly learn that the time spent on the phone answering questions will burn up that profit. He chose poorly ,he should have just kept it to himself and kept what he could save on his own bills and left it at that.
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lol indeed. Your prose is "challenging" but if I understand it correctly you believe that this guy has some sort of a free energy machine but he is falsely claiming that it runs on water to throw people off the real reason "it works."
Sadly you typify the reason con artists like this exist in the first place. No matter how ridiculous and cheap and sleazy the proposition is, there are going to be some people out there willing to believe it without any proof and without even seeing it. Some of these people will be willing to part with their money. You are so confident in yourself that you can laugh about it and even make an estimate of his profits per machine.
People like you are like the "golden source for the stream of life" that feeds the criminals in the free energy cottage industry. It's almost like people can open an online business and sell "free energy rocks" and they will make some money as long as there are people around that think like you. And the statistical reality is that there are people around that think like you.
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Lol
I cant believe none of you can pick this apart. It is two units one for 120 volt one 240 volt water cooled. The mystery components are hardly a mystery. Two electric motors two very large resistors two batteries a water pump and a fan or two. It is unfortunate for him he will not get any better then a design patent if he tries to do so. Of course the morons at the patent office might let it slip through until a protest is lodged that there is already a patent. He had little choice but to miss lead people into thinking it runs on water. The slight of hand also applies to the slight of words.
The more interesting fact is how many people are so quick to call it a scam or fraud just because don't know how it works. Is it not up to the person who does to make it share wear or to try to make a living from the work they applied to recover some of the expense of getting something to work? The cost of the parts alone does not leave that much room for profit. If he is making 500. off each unit he will quickly learn that the time spent on the phone answering questions will burn up that profit. He chose poorly ,he should have just kept it to himself and kept what he could save on his own bills and left it at that.
It was picked apart when first published. It's a couple of car batteries and DC-AC inverter in a box. Everything else is distraction. When the batteries run down, they will have to be recharged from something else.
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Doug 1
I would bet any amount of money that a 3rd grade elementary school class with the right teacher and a few hours could "tare this thing apart" just as well as Mark E has done above.
and given that knowledge ,The efforts here [to discredit] are just as silly.
feeling the need to protect Grown men from Poverty at the hands of this type Fraud
is beyond condescending and speaks volumes....
the zeal here approaches Phobia..
I offer a simple investigation to this claim and they run around screaming like their hair is on fire.
thx
Chet
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Chet:
feeling the need to protect Grown men from Poverty at the hands of this type Fraud
is beyond condescending and speaks volumes....
That's just politically correct crapola. Stating that some people are gullible is the truth. You are gullible.
the zeal here approaches Phobia..
I don't think you would have a problem if you wanted to buy a used car and your neighbour told you that the used car lot on the outskirts of town puts bananas in the transmissions of the chop-shop cars they try to sell.
On this one you are in the dog house unless you can produce a successful test of the device. And that clearly will never happen because the generator never existed and will never exist and you are being played like a fiddle.
You are not doing good here, you are just advertising this criminal fraud. In January 2016 you can post your apology to the forum stating that you got snowed by this creep.
MileHigh
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MH
so To be clear
you are accusing me of perpetrating a fraud
because of an offer to investigate??
and thus I will need to apologize if said claim does not hold up under scrutiny??
In simple terms this is your position??
That's a yes or a no, I don't need a thousand words
1] YES
2] NO
pick one
Thx
Chet
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No you are not perpetrating a fraud. Simply engaging with the fraudsters will give them an air of credibility in some people's minds. But nothing will ever come of this and you should apologize in January 2016 as a result.
I will apologize if it's real and the world changes forever because of an uneducated Joe Blow in Ontario (A place to stand! A place to grow!) that is actually a hidden genius that has overthrown the laws of thermodynamics and opened up a whole new branch of science.
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MH
Please explain why _I_ will have to apologize for offering to investigate this claim??
what Sin will you find me guilty of ??
thx
Chet
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You can apologize for advertising and inadvertently promoting criminal fraud because that is part and parcel of your "investigating."
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Please explain why _I_ will have to apologize for offering to investigate this claim??what Sin will you find me guilty of ??
I need to see something which I can get my Head around,
so far I see a deity called MileHigh with a decree ....no due process no 3rd party investigation ,just
"let it be written let it be so"
what a wonderful precedent ,where did you learn this "guilty until proven innocent"
??
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You are never, ever going to see a GDS generator and as a result there will never ever be a third-party investigation. Good intentions aside, just the waste of time and resources and needless foolishness is something that merits an apology. I have set the goalposts a full nine months past the currently moved set of goalposts. Good luck.
This guy is insulting all people of reasonable understanding and good will and you are buying into it. He is just a low-life and you tarnish yourself by engaging with him and speaking to him like he is legit.
No matter what, sometimes you have to make a call in life even if you don't have all of the information. You have to just move forward. I am making the call on this GDS guy and I have no regrets about that. If I am wrong I will apologize.
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Please explain why _I_ will have to apologize for offering to investigate this claim??what Sin will you find me guilty of ??
I need to see something which I can get my Head around,
If they can't find fault in you to gain advantage, they will simply make it up.
That seems to be the choice method of operation used by these creeps.
Regards...
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so you are taking a fascist position here and find me guilty in absentia ...?
gotta go
please respond if this is your position.
Later
Chet
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Your naive behaviour and lack of common sense and inadvertent promotion of criminality is enough that I think it will merit an apology when nothing happens and you end up holding the bag. My opinion.
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so you are taking a fascist position here and find me guilty in absentia ...?
gotta go
please respond if this is your position.
again its a yes or no,
the attitude is self evident ,we have seen it thru history no amount of words will cover or hide your true intent.
YES
NO
Later
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Hey, I said you can wait 12 months to let this play out. I told you I am giving you my opinion. I am not busting up unions or forcing the trains to run on time under the threat of imprisonment if it doesn't happen. I am not drawing up lists of who to ban from the forum.
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NO, the f*cking thing does not run on water.
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Actually
I have never heard Mr.Potter say what the MO is.
but I will be maintaining OUR position and our offer.
I do not mean to upset you ,I just do not understand your position
especially regarding investigation and My need to apologize for investigating this claim.
But we can leave it there ,
I do not wish to upset you [and I am being sincere]
respectfully
Chet
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Ramset clearly, jumping to a conclusion in the absence of *any* new evidence
is a technique that a MIB would use to make and holdups in the availability
of experimental data go onto the "against" column of the list of arguments
against a new device and is not correct or helpful. I have seen this done in
the overunity forums and seems may being used against you.
I think the lack of a clear cut demonstration does rank against Greg Potter and implies
he is personally not technically friendly but that he would prefer to use pure business
techniques rather then giving all technical types some vested interest in his new
developments. One can consider this smart in that it can limit damage in the event
that he is a fake. I'm all for his pure business approach, but think that he will eventually
need to add his name to the august list of people whose products were "stopped" before
market, and that might not have been if they had created some vested interest in
independent technical people who could be expected to truthfully vet his ideas. This
unfriendliness will not dissipate in future but is limited to the fact that he will need to
be ready do everything for himself.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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Well, if I can decipher your prose (and it is not easy) you are suggesting that GDS may be legit and if they never make it to market it will likely be because of the "MIB."
This guy offers a fantasy generator and has already reneged on one or more promises to do a demo. He claims that he was in a building in Ontario and someone went to see it and saw no evidence that any manufacturing company was there. His claims of a giant new factory springing up in one month out of nowhere with a secret address are not credible. He photoshoped a legitimate generator design and claimed they were his models. Three models, three different power levels, and all the same size?
Sometimes you just have to use your knowledge, instincts, and wits to make a decision without all of the information but with a very high degree of confidence anyway. If that was never done the current world we are living in would resemble 1930 much more than 2015.
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Doug 1
I would bet any amount of money that a 3rd grade elementary school class with the right teacher and a few hours could "tare this thing apart" just as well as Mark E has done above.
It might actually take a seventh grade elementary school science education, but not more than that, because the method of operation is so painfully obvious as is the falsity of Greg Potter's/GDS' claims.
and given that knowledge ,The efforts here [to discredit] are just as silly.
Quite the contrary, it is disregarding what even 12 year olds should readily recognize that is sad. But my friend the Nigerian prince has an offer for any takers...
feeling the need to protect Grown men from Poverty at the hands of this type Fraud
is beyond condescending and speaks volumes....
Again, I can put you in touch with several Nigerian princes who say that they have even better deals than Greg Potter.
the zeal here approaches Phobia..
I offer a simple investigation to this claim and they run around screaming like their hair is on fire.
And how have those investigation efforts gone? Have you learned anything that our hypothetical grammar school students shouldn't have recognized on Day 1?
thx
Chet
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Chet:
That's just politically correct crapola. Stating that some people are gullible is the truth. You are gullible.
I don't think you would have a problem if you wanted to buy a used car and your neighbour told you that the used car lot on the outskirts of town puts bananas in the transmissions of the chop-shop cars they try to sell.
On this one you are in the dog house unless you can produce a successful test of the device. And that clearly will never happen because the generator never existed and will never exist and you are being played like a fiddle.
You are not doing good here, you are just advertising this criminal fraud. In January 2016 you can post your apology to the forum stating that you got snowed by this creep.
MileHigh
I think that it si fine that Ramset offered to test the device. I think it is naive beyond comprehension that he offers any hope of Greg Potter's outlandish, obviously false claims being true.
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I just get reality-distortion-zone hives sometimes! lol
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Ramset clearly, jumping to a conclusion in the absence of *any* new evidence
is a technique that a MIB would use to make and holdups in the availability
of experimental data go onto the "against" column of the list of arguments
against a new device and is not correct or helpful. I have seen this done in
the overunity forums and seems may being used against you.
I think the lack of a clear cut demonstration does rank against Greg Potter and implies
he is personally not technically friendly but that he would prefer to use pure business
techniques rather then giving all technical types some vested interest in his new
developments. One can consider this smart in that it can limit damage in the event
that he is a fake. I'm all for his pure business approach, but think that he will eventually
need to add his name to the august list of people whose products were "stopped" before
market, and that might not have been if they had created some vested interest in
independent technical people who could be expected to truthfully vet his ideas. This
unfriendliness will not dissipate in future but is limited to the fact that he will need to
be ready do everything for himself.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Mark: Greg Potter is perpetrating a fraud. Five words, that's all it takes to fully describe this utter and total nonsense.
There is no MiB suppression, no magic wheel works of nature, there is no secret manufacturing facility, and no product to stop. There is just a cheap huckster who has repeated the same kind of claim and means of demonstration: battery in a box with an inverter, as so many hucksters before him. Over the years many such claims have been made from sign painters in Bangladesh, to Greg Potter of Toronto / Acapulco. Scams of the kind that Greg Potter attempt to perpetrate may actually be useful teaching opportunities for the incredibly gullible. Maybe losing $5000. to a crook would be worth the lesson ... if it is learned.
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I just get reality-distortion-zone hives sometimes! lol
Chet is free to act as foolishlly as he wants. He doesn't make any affirmative offer that it works. He may offer to test for the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, or the Easter bunny if he likes.
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Mark Coffman
I actually have spoken Many times with Mr.Potter about investigating his claim ,however since a recent family tragedy my travel time is off the table .
I will however give him a call this coming week and see when he will allow this to happen.
the problem I have here is that these fellows won't do this themselves and when others offer they talk like Mark E does in the above post.
to be perfectly honest the above post from MarK E fits every single claim to come across the pages of this forum.
he and Mile high will gladly boast this and will NEVER investigate any claim on their own.
To quote Milehigh "RETARDS" and of course there are hundreds of similar examples from the Thousands of Mark E posts in the last year.[I think He has been here just about that long]
So yes this is typical as well as unacceptable.
but this is how its done around HERE
but not everywhere.
thx
Chet
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I noticed in the Christmas suprise post there was mention of testing occuring on March 1st but this no longer appears in the January update. So perhaps all of this talk of testing is a waste of time.
Chet you may be better off signing up as a distributor and writing a PO out for say 100K and send him the money. Yes i know last month he said he was no longer looking for distributors but this month he is again. So there is your chance.
By the way we just had a new release of water front land in Cuba. You can buy it today before the rush and Obama personally told me you can move in next month.
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Mark Coffman
I actually have spoken Many times with Mr.Potter about investigating his claim ,however since a recent family tragedy my travel time is off the table .
I will however give him a call this coming week and see when he will allow this to happen.
the problem I have here is that these fellows won't do this themselves and when others offer they talk like Mark E does in the above post.
to be perfectly honest the above post from MarK E fits every single claim to come across the pages of this forum.
he and Mile high will gladly boast this and will NEVER investigate any claim on their own.
To quote Milehigh "RETARDS" and of course there are hundreds of similar examples from the Thousands of Mark E posts in the last year.[I think He has been here just about that long]
So yes this is typical as well as unacceptable.
but this is how its done around HERE
but not everywhere.
thx
Chet
LOL, Chet, there is nothing to investigate short of whether he has actually succeeded in his attempts at mail fraud. Greg Potter has shown a box that contains two lead acid batteries clearly wired to DC-AC inverters and into which he connected a power strip and operated a couple of devices for a few moments. He has added some other gadgets to his box and makes claims that the box will supply 5kW indefinitely if the water is periodically replenished. He offers no more evidence that supports his outlandish claims than the supposed Nigerian princes I can introduce to you.
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See
thats exactly my point
I see you and MH have been carrying around the nails and plywood to board up this place full of "retards"..
Oh I know you feel the need to teach rudimentary eleectronics to unsuspecting passersby .
but all that Ego stuff aside you have absolutely NO None Zero nada belief in the theme of this forum ,nor would build or investigate [on your own dime] ant ideas presented here, Even if the be from Nasa Or MIT or wherever...
you feel all who would pass thru these gates suffer from some type of ignorance or poor judgement...
and you are here to save us....
I am quite thankful that the services you provide here are of absolutely no value whatsoever to me.
Thank you
Chet
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See
thats exactly my point
I see you and MH have been carrying around the nails and plywood to board up this place full of "retards"..
That's your claim. Here we are dealing only with a fraud easily exposed by anyone with an elementary school science education. For reasons of your own you decline to acknowledge Potter's claims as the obvious fraud that they are.Oh I know you feel the need to teach rudimentary eleectronics to unsuspecting passersby .
but all that Ego stuff aside you have absolutely NO None Zero nada belief in the theme of this forum ,nor would build or investigate [on your own dime] ant ideas presented here, Even if the be from Nasa Or MIT or wherever...
I go where the evidence goes. If you or anyone else has reliable evidence of something unusual then I am interested. Sadly, the vast majority of what we see falls between bad experiment protocols, misunderstanding of current science, and the occasional outright fraud such as Potter. Anyone such as yourself declining to acknowledge Potter's obvious fraud doesn't make discovery of some remarkable energy source anymore likely. It only paints such a person as one who rejects overwhelming evidence even when it is right under their nose. you feel all who would pass thru these gates suffer from some type of ignorance or poor judgement...
and you are here to save us....
That is not something I have ever said. Why do you insist on speaking on my behalf?
I am quite thankful that the services you provide here are of absolutely no value whatsoever to me.
Thank you
Chet
It's good when people can find a sense of contentment.
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Mark E
yes doing onto others as you would have done to you gives a peace of mind and purpose, and a nice pillow at night.
much better than living a life of assumptions , guesstimates and libelous innuendos. I see yourself and MH posting about Boxers, revenge and visits in the night .
YEESH...
and knowing that very talented and learned fellows are seeking over unity
all over the world as well as right under Mark E's nose does have some sort of poetic justice to it.
perhaps I do suffer you and MH a bit too much with my pursuit of ultimate truth as it applies to Greg Potter.
but your having sooo much fun I feel compelled to share here.
every man has his vice...
but I am trying..
as a matter of fact I do have an idea and I will be sending yourself and MH a sincere
offer to consider .
one which I believe is long overdue and will make a lot of peoples lives much better.
respectfully
Chet
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Mark E
yes doing onto others as you would have done to you gives a peace of mind and purpose, and a nice pillow at night.
much better than living a life of assumptions , guesstimates and libelous innuendos.
The truth is never libelous. Gregg Potter's claims are false. He is attempting to perpetrate a fraud.[/quote] I see yourself and MH posting about Boxers, revenge and visits in the night .
YEESH...[/quote]Visits in the night Chet? I am not aware of any such reference. Is your distortion deliberate?
and knowing that very talented and learned fellows are seeking over unity
all over the world as well as right under Mark E's nose does have some sort of poetic justice to it.
People seek all kinds of things. Reliable evidence rules the day. Do you have any reliable evidence for free energy from anywhere? Certainly there is none from Greg Potter.
perhaps I do suffer you and MH a bit too much with my pursuit of ultimate truth as it applies to Greg Potter.
but your having sooo much fun I feel compelled to share here.
The truth as it applies to the falsity of Greg Potter's claims is painfully obvious whether you choose to acknowledge that fact or not.
every man has his vice...
but I am trying..
as a matter of fact I do have an idea and I will be sending yourself and MH a sincere
offer to consider .
one which I believe is long overdue and will make a lot of peoples lives much better.
respectfully
Chet
Does it involve a security case in Amsterdam?
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Milehigh
I guess you have toured all the power plants to make certain they are not committing any fraud. Checked all their equipment with your multimeter and spent days maybe even weeks being convinced that they have not broken laws of thermodynamics. Maybe you can tell me who your contact was so I can I can replicate your scrutiny of the power plants that service the world so i can scrutinize your conclusions. If every person is made to prove to you everything then you must be the smartest person in the world by now.
So maybe you can explain why it is that there are special exceptions to the laws of physics. Seems to me if the math is right then there would not be any exception to it ever.
As trust is concerned in any purchase this product has a return policy.Not that I would buy one unless I had a need for it. Someone will have a need for it and most likely will buy it. Then it will be know whether it works or not. Short of traveling to Canada to see one working for a period of time as to satisfy the claim and not having any details you can only wait and see.
I can get pretty close to the cost of the parts used to build it which are visible and estimate the labor/time to assemble the unit so 500. bucks is what I came up with which seems to really offend you for some reason. I would think you and a few others would be a little more open minded at least to the point of having enough information to make a determination based on real evidence and not just fall back on the laws of thermodynamics. Man made laws are only as good as the observed at the time of the stated law. It's like the pirate laws, it's more a guide line then a law. The only enforcement of the laws of physics is the fragile ego's of those who live by them. Even amongst those who work so hard to bring about better understandings with repeatable experimentation the challenges to gain acceptance often takes longer then the life expectancy of the person with the proof of the observation. People like yourself are the reason that advances are so hard to come by and take more then a life time to complete. You actually make it easier for the criminal to commit a crime without knowing your doing so while discouraging anyone form coming forward who can make a difference. The real criminal isnt the greasy guy in his back yard who may be wrong, it's the guy who keeps saying it's not possible just keep sending your check to the power company while they toxify the planet.
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Fucking brilliant @doug1.I couldn'tve said it better.applause to you my friend
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Milehigh
I guess you have toured all the power plants to make certain they are not committing any fraud. Checked all their equipment with your multimeter and spent days maybe even weeks being convinced that they have not broken laws of thermodynamics. Maybe you can tell me who your contact was so I can I can replicate your scrutiny of the power plants that service the world so i can scrutinize your conclusions. If every person is made to prove to you everything then you must be the smartest person in the world by now.
So maybe you can explain why it is that there are special exceptions to the laws of physics. Seems to me if the math is right then there would not be any exception to it ever.
As trust is concerned in any purchase this product has a return policy.Not that I would buy one unless I had a need for it. Someone will have a need for it and most likely will buy it. Then it will be know whether it works or not. Short of traveling to Canada to see one working for a period of time as to satisfy the claim and not having any details you can only wait and see.
No, what Greg Potter has shown is quite enough to determine that he is pitching a battery and inverter in a box as a perpetual motion machine.
I can get pretty close to the cost of the parts used to build it which are visible and estimate the labor/time to assemble the unit so 500. bucks is what I came up with which seems to really offend you for some reason. I would think you and a few others would be a little more open minded at least to the point of having enough information to make a determination based on real evidence and not just fall back on the laws of thermodynamics.
What examples if any do you have for violations of the laws of thermodynamics that would allow for Greg Potter's claims to be true?
Man made laws are only as good as the observed at the time of the stated law. It's like the pirate laws, it's more a guide line then a law. The only enforcement of the laws of physics is the fragile ego's of those who live by them.
That is an argument from ignorance. It is a logical fallacy. Water is not fuel. No perpetual motion scheme has ever been shown to work.
Even amongst those who work so hard to bring about better understandings with repeatable experimentation the challenges to gain acceptance often takes longer then the life expectancy of the person with the proof of the observation. People like yourself are the reason that advances are so hard to come by and take more then a life time to complete.
LOL, no skeptics don't bend nature. Skeptics ask for evidence commensurate to claims.
You actually make it easier for the criminal to commit a crime without knowing your doing so while discouraging anyone form coming forward who can make a difference. The real criminal isnt the greasy guy in his back yard who may be wrong, it's the guy who keeps saying it's not possible just keep sending your check to the power company while they toxify the planet.
So small time grifters who take money and attention while producing nothing do what for the planet? They offset dirty sources like coal by producing nothing useful how?
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I have photographic evidence that proves the GDS 5000 does in fact run on water.
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Quote from mark E:' Water is not fuel. No perpetual motion scheme has ever been shown to work.'
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Never been shown to you maybe.speak for yourself mr E.
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Doug1:
As trust is concerned in any purchase this product has a return policy.
You would be very foolish to believe that. I will repeat again: From what I can see this guy just wants to get down payment money and then run. That's it, there is nothing more to it than that.
You remind me of this guy about two years ago that set up an account here on OU.com. He then made a posting stating something like, "I want to set up a small snack bar business on the beach and I want to get a free energy generator for my power needs. Can someone tell me where I can get an 8 kW free energy generator machine?"
Like this guy thinks that you can just shop around for an 8 kW free energy machine just like running to a Big Box store to buy a snow blower?
he should have just kept it to himself and kept what he could save on his own bills and left it at that.
That's another joke. You supposedly have designed a device that will revolutionize the entire world as we know it. Millions and millions and millions of people that are starving and in need of potable water will have their lives fundamentally changed for the better because they will have access to energy. Millions and millions and millions of people that die of starvation and deprivation every year will be saved because of the way this alleged device will transform the entire world.
And you think he should just keep his "magic box" in his basement so he can save $150 per month on his electricity bill? Wouldn't you feel a greater responsibility to all of humanity if you had such a device?
Man made laws are only as good as the observed at the time of the stated law.
That's one more mistake that many people make all the time on these forums. "Brute mechanical force turning a generator rotor produces electricity that heats up a load resistor." That is not a "man made law." It's Nature that is showing us that. It's a law of Nature, not a man-made law.
MileHigh
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I have photographic evidence that proves the GDS 5000 does in fact run on water.
One Photoshop job begets another. You image is just as honest as the original.
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Nink, That is just too funny. LOL
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He needs of those count down clocks you see on the doomsday websites.
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Chet said that he would be calling today and report back...
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There is actually a whole new set of web pages behind that hold off screen that
I saw on his Web site the day before. Since he was blindsided last time I felt I would
give him a break this time and not mention them here as being visible. He has great new
graphics but not a whole lot of new information. I am favorably impressed. But I think
we can agree on what would and hopefully will *really* impress us. He may decide
that it is not up to the corporate organization to do demoes but will make it, up
to his distributors to do them. I agree on the website "countdown clock" display.
We must get past the "unity gain battery backup unit" though. It must be more
than that.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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I live ~ 1.5 hrs from Oshawa, where this company is 'located'.
Under the right conditions I am willing to test/verify this device and report back to the community the results (I can visit relatives in Oshawa to get use out of my time).
Who is willing to organise this trip, assuming GDS is interested in a real test?
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sigh
yes I did call him today,and I am not sure if this Sterling situation made him think
twice....in my first few chats with Mr.Potter there was back and forth mention of
Sterling he started talking with Mr.Potter after my first contact ,I specifically mentioned we were NOT affiliated in any way .but he did ask me about Sterling several times.
to make a long story Short , he is using "A Lab in Toronto" [*a friend will be looking into this.]
I asked him for the name of that Lab [i did not offer up any names to him] he said My Man XXXXX is handling that he mentioned Mr.X several times throughout our Chat.
he inferred the Lab report would be made available to the Distribution team and also mentioned an atmospheric water harvesting tech that will be coming out too [this year ?] to be sent to underdeveloped country's with water shortages.
I will be calling him again in another month [ruffly].
thx
Chet
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Well, Chet, it sounds like you were given the run-around. It's just about impossible for him to not know the name of the lab, if it actually existed. Or, there is no reason that he could not check with Mr. X and get back to you and give you the name of the lab.
Mind you, even if you had the name of the lab, that is not going to get you anywhere. You can't call up a lab and ask them who their customers are.
Why would the lab report only be made available to the distribution team? Why would they want to have it be kept under wraps if they had a third-party report stating that their alleged technology is legitimate? These are just rhetorical questions.
Any discussion about setting up a test with forum people?
MileHigh
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sigh
yes I did call him today,and I am not sure if this Sterling situation made him think
twice....in my first few chats with Mr.Potter there was back and forth mention of
Sterling he started talking with Mr.Potter after my first contact ,I specifically mentioned we were NOT affiliated in any way .but he did ask me about Sterling several times.
to make a long story Short , he is using "A Lab in Toronto" [*a friend will be looking into this.]
I asked him for the name of that Lab [i did not offer up any names to him] he said My Man XXXXX is handling that he mentioned Mr.X several times throughout our Chat.
he inferred the Lab report would be made available to the Distribution team and also mentioned an atmospheric water harvesting tech that will be coming out too [this year ?] to be sent to underdeveloped country's with water shortages.
I will be calling him again in another month [ruffly].
thx
Chet
Thanks for making the effort Chet. I appreciate it.
Bill
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sigh
yes I did call him today,and I am not sure if this Sterling situation made him think
twice....in my first few chats with Mr.Potter there was back and forth mention of
Sterling he started talking with Mr.Potter after my first contact ,I specifically mentioned we were NOT affiliated in any way .but he did ask me about Sterling several times.
to make a long story Short , he
says that he is using "A Lab in Toronto" [*a friend will be looking into this.]
I asked him for the name of that Lab [i did not offer up any names to him] he said My Man XXXXX is handling that he mentioned Mr.X several times throughout our Chat.
Ah a mysterious Mr. X is responsible, because Greg Potter is so busy doing things like selling his motor home. Did you ask to see a picture of his inventory or any other evidence of the production and production facility that he has claimed?
he inferred the Lab report would be made available to the Distribution team and also mentioned an atmospheric water harvesting tech that will be coming out too [this year ?] to be sent to underdeveloped country's with water shortages.
Dehumidifiers are hardly new.
I will be calling him again in another month [ruffly].
thx
Chet
That should be pretty close to the next goal post reset.
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MH
Can't call a Lab?? Of Course I can.
for clarity I know Mr.X's name I just chose to not involve someone I have not spoken with by posting his Name on a public forum. there are lots of things I won't post in Public.
its called respect of another man as well as the boundaries I place on myself and the way I have learned to treat others.
and of course there is the Law and my refusal to make assumptions in Public forums
some rub one Law in your face and dance all over others .
risky business and poor character.
but I must be careful here some that read these pages consider profoundly obvious statements like the above as Threats
for clarity when I speak of the Law and its consequence that is not a threat.
its an observation of the fact of Law.
respectfully
Chet
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With this Mr. X business it's starting to feel like Reservoir Dogs. lol
I am looking forward to seeing Mr. Orange Jumpsuit.
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Why is the dead horse still being floged?
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Go chew on a magnum....
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Go chew on a magnum....
Funny you should say that-had one two minutes before you rang lol.
But now i know how to get you to call me Chet ;)
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Yes
I also have a weakness for the magnums....
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This thread is beginning to remind me from a scene from the Australian Movie;
"Incident at Raven's Gate"... Several of the scenes actually. :D
:S:MarkSCoffman
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This thread is beginning to remind me from a scene from the Australian Movie;
"Incident at Raven's Gate"... Several of the scenes actually. :D
:S:MarkSCoffman
You mean this???
Bill
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Yes
I also have a weakness for the magnums....
What is a magnum?
Bill
I am guessing a cigar of some type. If so, I prefer Macanudo Portifinos.
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What is a magnum?
Bill
I am guessing a cigar of some type. If so, I prefer Macanudo Portifinos.
http://www.unileverusa.com/brands-in-action/detail/Magnum-/295860/
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This thread is beginning to remind me from a scene from the Australian Movie;
"Incident at Raven's Gate"... Several of the scenes actually. :D
:S:MarkSCoffman
Havnt seen that movie yet-must watch it now ;)
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So mscoffman
now that you know what a Magnum is, perhaps this thread is
not so much like Mutilation and mayhem ,but more like
WillyWonka and the chocolate factory....... :o
Bill ...Cigars.?...Rookie mistake .. 8)
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Havnt seen that movie yet-must watch it now ;)
Nowadays for relatively obscure movies YouTube can be a great place to find them. I downloaded it from YouTube. It's available as a 259 MB mp4 file, and it is also available in slightly higher quality in the newfangled 'webm' format at 328 MB.
I use this: http://www.videograbber.net/ (http://www.videograbber.net/)
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I watched it last night on YT. Pretty strange UFO-type lights, noises, water disappearing, people and animals going crazy, stuff happening, not much of a plot really. I fell asleep before the very end so I'll have to watch that part again to see how it ends.
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Nowadays for relatively obscure movies YouTube can be a great place to find them. I downloaded it from YouTube. It's available as a 259 MB mp4 file, and it is also available in slightly higher quality in the newfangled 'webm' format at 328 MB.
I use this: http://www.videograbber.net/ (http://www.videograbber.net/)
I use the Firefox extension Multi youtube Mp3. This places a "Download button" button on all youtube videos and gives you three options for sites to download and convert to mp4 (video) or download as an MP3. This is a great way to get just about any music you might like. Just type it into youtube and someone has uploaded the song or album, hit the download button and...poof..in a few seconds you have the mp3. Same with any movie.
I also use Adblock plus as when an album is uploaded, even some songs, there are ads running inside the video...in the case of an audio book, sometimes as many as 40 ads! (spaced like every 10 minutes) Adblock gets rid of these.
Bill
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Thanks for the info. Is Adblock Plus considered to be one of the better pop-up blockers? Do they make it easy and quick to enable/disable it?
I watched the movie but don't see the connection with GDS! It was very dark and I couldn't see anything half the time. But I like movies in that genre. The nerd in me likes seeing all of the miniatures destroyed in old Godzilla movies and stuff like that. The greatest thing since sliced bread for organizing movies on your computer is XBMC, now known as Kodi.
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Thanks for the info. Is Adblock Plus considered to be one of the better pop-up blockers? Do they make it easy and quick to enable/disable it?
I watched the movie but don't see the connection with GDS! It was very dark and I couldn't see anything half the time. But I like movies in that genre. The nerd in me likes seeing all of the miniatures destroyed in old Godzilla movies and stuff like that. The greatest thing since sliced bread for organizing movies on your computer is XBMC, now known as Kodi.
POP up blocker? It does one hell of a lot more than that. I am a big consumer of audiobooks and, it not only blocks pop-up and other ads that run in the background, but it takes out (I have no idea how) the internal ads stuck inside videos. Long videos like movies, or a 10 hour audiobook, can have many, many adds every five minutes..or whatever. This removes them even without downloading. Right now, I am listening to an Ian Flemming James Bond audiobook on youtube and...no ads inside the "video" at all. It is just playing like watching a tube video online.
Yes, you can go to your add-ons menu and either remove, or disable at any time. (It may require a restart of firefox which, if it does will be automatic.
I have not seen this movie...yet so I can't comment about that.
The first audiobook I used this on was The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy...which is a very long (But great) audiobook. My computer is wired to the input on my stereo so I can pump whatever is playing all over my small apartment. I love listening to audiobooks while I am doing something else.
Try this...you will love it. If not...remove it. Adblock Plus 2.6.7
Oh, you can also temporarily disable on any page you want at any time and/or, you can put in exceptions so it never works on certain pages. I have no idea why anyone would want to do that but...you can if you want.
It makes this site here (OU) a lot less cluttered and pages load really fast.
Bill
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Cool, thanks for the info. I have a five-year-old over-clocked quad-core computer with eight gig of ram and a solid-state OS drive. Even by today's standards, it's a pretty powerful computer. What I am finding now is that some web pages are so busy with so much crap going on (even news web sites) that the "super browser bloat" is slowing down my computer. Like if I have five Firefox tabs open and some are "super browser bloat" tabs, then I can't even watch a YouTube clip on the sixth tab without it stuttering. There is so much junk running on the other tabs that it's eating into the performance of my computer.
So perhaps Adblock Plus will help remove the "super bloat" that is starting to become a real pain.
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MH, I have been using Adblock for two years and am happy with the speed up.
Use Chrome, but used Firefox for years.
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Bill
yes I remember you mentioned this years ago when I had a slower computer,
it worked great .
will have to give it a try , some sites I go to I grow old waiting for them to open.
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Bill
yes I remember you mentioned this years ago when I had a slower computer,
it worked great .
will have to give it a try , some sites I go to I grow old waiting for them to open.
Chet:
Guess where I first learned about Firefox (I was using IE) and then adblocker? Here. It was 5 or 6 or 7 years ago someone here on this site posted about both of them. I have been a big fan ever since and I am happy to pass it along just like that other fellow did back then.
Bill
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Looking for some female models who want to travel. Dont worry about the clothes everything you need will be supplied. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tv-media-fashion-jobs/city-of-toronto/looking-for-female-models/1049941534
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I have to reprint it here:
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Looking for female models who can travel globally
Photo shoot,display and promote our new products.
Conventions,uniform we supply, t-shirt,shorts,running shoes.
Also will include lunch meeting with important business meetings with proffessional atar.(dress or slacks and blouss.
Please email sales@gdstechnologies.ca
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That is totally bizarre. Was the guy drunk when he posted it? Looking for some auto show car models?
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I have to reprint it here:
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Looking for female models who can travel globally
Photo shoot,display and promote our new products.
Conventions,uniform we supply, t-shirt,shorts,running shoes.
Also will include lunch meeting with important business meetings with proffessional atar.(dress or slacks and blouss.
Please email sales@gdstechnologies.ca
Display
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That is totally bizarre. Was the guy drunk when he posted it? Looking for some auto show car models?
It's going to take an incredibly distracting body to keep anyone from noticing that the free energy generator isn't what Greg Potter says it is. Then again, maybe he is just a loney entrepreneur with nothing but his water generator to keep him company.
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Sorry milehigh your to late' already applied for the job as the personal assistant so i will be interviewing the models. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-office-manager-receptionist-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/executive-personal-assistant/1049832745
GDS Technologies LTD. is looking for an Executive Personal Assistant to start soon.
Duties include, but not limited to:
-Screening telephone calls and handling enquiries
-Organising your manager’s diary and making appointments
-Dealing with letters and emails
-Writing letters and producing reports and presentations
-Arranging meetings
-Organising and maintaining office systems
-Taking notes at meetings
-Making travel arrangements and travelling
Requirements:
-Ability to travel internationally (valid passport)
-Excellent organisational skills
-Good written and spoken communication skills
-Accuracy and attention to detail
-A calm and professional manner
-An ability to carry out several tasks at the same time
-Excellent computer and administration skills
-Flexible and adaptable approach to work
-The ability to use your own initiative
-Tact and discretion, for dealing with confidential information
-Previous experience is not mandatory, but professional references would be required
Please email your resumes ASAP.
Thank you for your interest, only those selected will be contacted for interviews.
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Ok this ad is interesting. Not because of the request for a CAD designer to do drawings for a unit that will be shipping in 4 weeks but based on who the contact email name is. I wont post her name to preserve privacy but you can look it up and her linkedin details say she is a grad from U of T in materials engineering and focused on green energy so i would actually be interested in having a serious conversation with her.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/cad-drafter-required-asap-in-oshawa-on/1047955208
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If GDS is trying to hire people, won't they have to reveal the location of their secret factility so that these people know where to show up?
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It's going to take an incredibly distracting body to keep anyone from noticing that the free energy generator isn't what Greg Potter says it is. Then again, maybe he is just a loney entrepreneur with nothing but his water generator to keep him company.
You seem to have left out a letter. Don't you mean.... looney ?
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I have to reprint it here:
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Looking for female models who can travel globally
Photo shoot,display and promote our new products.
Conventions,uniform we supply, t-shirt,shorts,running shoes.
Also will include lunch meeting with important business meetings with proffessional atar.(dress or slacks and blouss.
Please email sales@gdstechnologies.ca
Display
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That is totally bizarre. Was the guy drunk when he posted it? Looking for some auto show car models?
With an ad like that he'll get a lot of applicants from Eastern Europe who are used to making 300-500 dollars an hour for "incalls"....
Erotic massage skills a plus....
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Ok this ad is interesting. Not because of the request for a CAD designer to do drawings for a unit that will be shipping in 4 weeks but based on who the contact email name is. I wont post her name to preserve privacy but you can look it up and her linkedin details say she is a grad from U of T in materials engineering and focused on green energy so i would actually be interested in having a serious conversation with her.
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/cad-drafter-required-asap-in-oshawa-on/1047955208 (http://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/cad-drafter-required-asap-in-oshawa-on/1047955208)
Well, you have her email address... I hope you will be able to tell us what you learn from your correspondence.
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Perhaps Pirate Labs should place an ad like that? I mean, just think of the interview process. Of course, I do not need to hire anyone ..BUT, I might one day so...it would be good to have some applicants on hand....right? I could even supply the Interview Attire...I think a bikini would suffice. Nothing says Green Energy like a bikini I always say.
This guy may be a genius.
Bill
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Yud think a genious would be abel to use a spel cheker.
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spel cheker
lol ;D I found this funny.
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Guess where I first learned about Firefox (I was using IE) and then adblocker? Here. It was 5 or 6 or 7 years ago someone here on this site posted about both of them. I have been a big fan ever since and I am happy to pass it along just like that other fellow did back then.
What do you know about WEP, WPA, WPA2, wifi encryption?
What do you know about what is a firewall?
What do you know about “phishing”?
What do you know about MAC addresses?
What do you know about virtualization?
What do you know about “onion” protection? i.e. how viruses enter the OS in the computer?
What are ports in a computer? like port 80?
What are ports in an OS?
From the looks of it, not a lot...lol.
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What do you know about WEP, WPA, WPA2, wifi encryption?
What do you know about what is a firewall?
What do you know about “phishing”?
What do you know about MAC addresses?
What do you know about virtualization?
What do you know about “onion” protection? i.e. how viruses enter the OS in the computer?
What are ports in a computer? like port 80?
What are ports in an OS?
From the looks of it, not a lot...lol.
Well, I have been playing with computers since the days of the old 8088 processor. I have never been hacked or infected with a virus so...I am either very lucky, or...I might actually know a thing or two about computers. (Possibly both)
Bill
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Well, I have been playing with computers since the days of the old 8088 processor. I have never been hacked or infected with a virus so...I am either very lucky, or...I might actually know a thing or two about computers. (Possibly both)
In all honesty bill, you just mentioning firefox and adblock+ does not really make you an EXPERT in SECURITY!
WEP is the weakest wifi encryption there is.
WPA is stronger than WEP but still vulnerable.
WPA2 can still be cracked.
If you are not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about...just to worry about your bank account.
I have never been hacked or infected with a virus
How do you know that?
Do you even know what a firewall is? Let alone what a firewall that also firewalls the packets that go out!
You know why you are lucky? Because there is no hacker out there that would want to hack you..lol
Maybe you have been, I don't know why you believe you haven't. How do you know a person is not using your wifi to surf the Internet for free?
Are you protecting your AP with WEP or WPA? You tell me sir lol
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In all honesty bill, you just mentioning firefox and adblock+ does not really make you an EXPERT in SECURITY!
WEP is the weakest wifi encryption there is.
WPA is stronger than WEP but still vulnerable.
WPA2 can still be cracked.
If you are not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about...just to worry about your bank account.
How do you know that?
Do you even know what a firewall is? Let alone what a firewall that also firewalls the packets that go out!
You know why you are lucky? Because there is no hacker out there that would want to hack you..lol
Maybe you have been, I don't know why you believe you haven't. How do you know a person is not using your wifi to surf the Internet for free?
Are you protecting your AP with WEP or WPA? You tell me sir lol
I know 100% that my wifi is totally secure because I do not have wifi. Everything is hardwired over here. I get download speeds of18 mbps. I am running 2 firewalls. I know how easy it is to hack people's wifi which is why I do not use it. I do not own or use a smart phone. My cell makes calls, receives calls and, I have voice mail. That is it. I use an Android for listening to audiobooks but do not surf with it.
I am not paranoid, just security conscious.
Bill
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I know 100% that my wifi is totally secure because I do not have wifi.
I guess you don't know what zero-day-exploits mean and you believe to be 100% secured because you don't use wifi. ok.
Everything is hardwired over here. I get download speeds of18 mbps. I am running 2 firewalls.
What are the names of the firewalls?
Do you understand what cookies are sir?
I know how easy it is to hack people's wifi which is why I do not use it.
How do you protect your computer from Internet viruses?
Does it has to do with ports?
How do you know what ports do you have open and what ports are closed?
How did the icloud of celebrities got hacked to exposed naked pictures sir? Because they where using a wifi.
At any rate, this tells me that you are not aware of OS vulnerabilities. Let alone know how vulnerable you are regarding ACTUAL real life viruses. As if just by not using WIFI connection your are 100% safe from OS viruses.
Lets say you do get a virus in your OS, how do you get rid of it?
How do you know you got a virus in your OS? :P
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I am running 2 real time anti virus software programs and...I periodically use Malwarebytes, Spybot and AVG scans to look for intrusions.
Yes, I know what ports are. (Geeze)
Yes, I know what cookies are.
The only folks that can hack me are the NSA. (Don't ask me how I know)
Possibly the FBI but, they would most likely get the NSA to do it for them.
Bill
PS My main risk is answering all of those emails from Nigeria where evidently, a relative of mine has left me 20 million dollars. All I have to do is send $2,500 to bribe the boarder guards and...I get the money. Sounds easy to me.
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I am running 2 real time anti virus software programs and...I periodically use Malwarebytes, Spybot and AVG scans to look for intrusions.
Yes, I know what ports are. (Geeze)
Yes, I know what cookies are.
The only folks that can hack me are the NSA. (Don't ask me how I know)
Possibly the FBI but, they would most likely get the NSA to do it for them.
Have a good night bill lol. You need a measles vaccination cause you are not thinking straight. Make sure to get one tomorrow to make everything OK! lol
Maybe you have viruses in your OS! A vaccine will get rid of them all! trust me!
Bill, can you tell me why I don't use NO antivirals programs?
I have none! I've jet to see a virus! I guess the mandatory of VACCINATING my Operating System is working. lol
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Bill, can you tell me why I don't use NO antivirals programs?
I have none! I've jet to see a virus! I guess the mandatory of VACCINATING my Operating System is working. lol
Interesting conversation. I have a hunch what
you're referring to Joel. Very nice!
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Bill, can you tell me why I don't use NO antivirals programs?
I have none! I've jet to see a virus! I guess the mandatory of VACCINATING my Operating System is working. lol
But, and I hate to point this out...if you do not do any virus scans...how do you KNOW that you are not infected? I mean...all of your friends on your email list might be getting spam emails from you that you never sent. Your computer might have been taken over and used as a bot.
As far as I know, there is no mandatory laws saying that we must use this type of software...yet. You said I don't know anything about computers yet....you are having without a condom every time you go online.
Just pointing this out.
Bill
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Not sure who knows more about IT security will help us validate if this technology is legitimate.
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look at http://valtx.com/
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look at http://valtx.com/ (http://valtx.com/)
Thanks MemoryMan.
Here's the link to the IBM study article. (http://www.techrepublic.com/article/ibm-says-most-security-breaches-are-eue-to-human-error/)
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Well, you have her email address... I hope you will be able to tell us what you learn from your correspondence.
I sent her an email (well an email at that address I hope it goes to her and not a generic catch all account) . I also mentioned she may want to use a generic email in ads instead of Real.Name@gdstechnologies.ca
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The person who posted the ad who worked for GDS never responded to my email but she did delete the ad for GDS with her name in it. Looks like she has done a good job scrubbing any association with the company as working at GDS is not listed on Linkedin or her personal website where she is looking for work. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR FUTURE CAREER !!!
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-jobs/oshawa-durham-region/cad-drafter-required-asap-in-oshawa-on/1047955208
The ads for supermodels and a personal assistant are still up. :-)
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Ooops.....
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I am shocked (no pun intended) that there is yet another delay.
Will there be another delay announced in Sept.?
Who knows...
Bill
PS At least he seems to admit that water is not a fuel. So, it does not run on water.
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Ooops.....
Yes, it doesn't exactly jive with their prior and still posted claims on their YouTube posted September 9th 2014.
That last sentence is a hoot:
We have developed a way to enhance the high volume of energy required with our components all working together.
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I came here to put the countdown clock up and had missed the new September date umm. So we are to believe 15 days before go live on a previous 3 month project plan it will now be delayed 6 months. At what point do we officially reclassify this from the "news" category to the "something else" category.
I see gdsenergy.mx now just says coming soon.
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First they were taking orders last October. Then they said they needed until mid-December to build up inventory. Then they pushed to March 2015. Now, they have pushed to September 2015 and admit that water cannot power their "water powered generator".
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First they were taking orders last October. Then they said they needed until mid-December to build up inventory. Then they pushed to March 2015. Now, they have pushed to September 2015 and admit that water cannot power their "water powered generator".
Heh I missed the
"it is impossible to create energy out of 4 gallons of water."
So now they are basically saying what they had previously stated was not correct.
What does this mean
"We have developed a way to enhance the high volume of energy required with our components all working together."
Does this mean it requires more energy to produce energy with this device than it does without this device?
So you pay thousands of dollars for the device, you add 4 gallons of water , plug it in, charge up the batteries, unplug it, motors spin, it makes 50% less noise than a traditional diesel powered generator, or 1,000,000,000% more noise than just a battery alone (silent) and it will over heat in a few hours ( I guess you swap batteries out every hour with a set of charged batteries to get 12 hours out of it).
Sound fantastic where do I buy one.
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Heh I missed the
"it is impossible to create energy out of 4 gallons of water."
So now they are basically saying what they had previously stated was not correct.
What does this mean
"We have developed a way to enhance the high volume of energy required with our components all working together."
Does this mean it requires more energy to produce energy with this device than it does without this device?
So you pay thousands of dollars for the device, you add 4 gallons of water , plug it in, charge up the batteries, unplug it, motors spin, it makes 50% less noise than a traditional diesel powered generator, or 1,000,000,000% more noise than just a battery alone (silent) and it will over heat in a few hours ( I guess you swap batteries out every hour with a set of charged batteries to get 12 hours out of it).
Sound fantastic where do I buy one.
Nink:
From my understanding...you have summed it up nicely.
Bill
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Heh I missed the
"it is impossible to create energy out of 4 gallons of water."
So now they are basically saying what they had previously stated was not correct.
Yes.
What does this mean
"We have developed a way to enhance the high volume of energy required with our components all working together."
Does this mean it requires more energy to produce energy with this device than it does without this device?
Yes.
So you pay thousands of dollars for the device, you add 4 gallons of water , plug it in, charge up the batteries, unplug it, motors spin, it makes 50% less noise than a traditional diesel powered generator, or 1,000,000,000% more noise than just a battery alone (silent) and it will over heat in a few hours ( I guess you swap batteries out every hour with a set of charged batteries to get 12 hours out of it).
Sound fantastic where do I buy one.
Yes, that is pretty much what it boils down to. (No pun intended.)
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H2O blues a comin' down that railroad track.
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AFAIK he has not sold any.
Somebody put up some cash for the original video. There used to be a family of grifters in the Toronto area who promoted scam hydrogen from water fuel schemes. About 12 years ago they crossed the wrong people. The people they burned very systematically reemed the patriarch and a couple of his sons. I wonder if some of the remnants of that clan are behind the hapless Greg Potter and his GDS Technologies.
I am also wondering if Ramset is going to man up and acknowledge that Greg Potter's current statements are admissions that his prior claims of a water powered generator were false.
We are currently delayed and behind schedule. We are getting our unit tested and certified by a third party North American company. We are in the process of getting performance and safety testing done which is crucial for the warranty purposes. This is our last update until early September before we can release the product to the public.
As you know, it is impossible to create energy out of 4 gallons of water. We have developed a way to enhance the high volume of energy required with our components all working together.
Thank you.
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GDS device in fact is an micro hydroelectric generator but as all energy devices you need an ENERGY SOURCE for maintain the process.. with just two battery that power motor , inverter etc... can't work in the time or you can obtain perpetual motion machine that as you know actually is impossible :) ... But theorically and pratically this method CAN works without problems with an low cost energy source. There are some solutions but the best for me is the heat.
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Saw this on the GDS website today. Gee, that "performance and safety testing" is sure taking a long time (he he)!
"We are currently delayed and behind schedule. We are getting our unit tested and certified by a third party North American company. We are in the process of getting performance and safety testing done which is crucial for the warranty purposes. This is our last update until October 30th before we can release the product to the public."
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Don't expect anything to happen on October 30th.
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Don't expect anything to happen on October 30th.
I am still ready and waiting to go there and test. I have my multimeter and a bottle of water ready...
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You will need a FLIR camera for a definite test...
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You will need a FLIR camera for a definite test...
To be honest all we probably need is a chair to sit on while the battery goes flat.
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Is it Oct 30th already http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/ Comfy chair or the wooden stool?
Maybe it runs on Keshe magrav power also shipping October 30th http://www.keshefoundation.org/shop-et-livres/product/view/7/147
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Is it Oct 30th already http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/ (http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/) Comfy chair or the wooden stool?
Maybe it runs on Keshe magrav power also shipping October 30th http://www.keshefoundation.org/shop-et-livres/product/view/7/147 (http://www.keshefoundation.org/shop-et-livres/product/view/7/147)
I think it runs on money. No money, it will not run.
Bill
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I think it runs on money. No money, it will not run.
Bill
Ain't it the truth..... Ain't it the truth....
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Icing on the cake.
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Icing on the cake.
We don't need employees. It is all robotics. :-)
Maximum run time is 4 continuous hours per day.
Only runs for 4 hours at a time now. There goes my chair test. After 4 hours? I guess you need to charge the batteries again for 16 hours. Takes a lot of energy to spin a pelton wheel around in 4 gallons of water.
Anyone know the patent pending number ?
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My IP address has been black listed from the website. He must have taken offence to my articles calling it a scam.
LOL
Mark
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sorry to hear that. Now you can't buy one. I will help you out. Send me the 50% deposit he is asking for $2500 (I only accept cash in unmarked bills leave the money in a brief case) for those who still have access you can order it here http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/GDS5000.html
$5,000 USD + HST
50% Deposit $ 2500 USD + HST
Balance due upon delivery
BTW I did a patent search. The only patent I could find filed by a Greg Potter is a Toilet seat http://www.google.ca/patents/US8006323
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Only runs for 4 hours at a time now. There goes my chair test. After 4 hours? I guess you need to charge the batteries again for 16 hours. Takes a lot of energy to spin a pelton wheel around in 4 gallons of water.
It turns into a pumpkin generator if you run it for more than four hours.
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its real! the building with the empty parking lot in oshawa is real i meant!
if it wasn't real, they would be asking for the full price amount, rather than just 50% down.
some of the nicest people live in oshawa.
sure, oshawa has some real jerks too, some are scumbags, some of those scumbags are very ok finding ways to rob people, but those are just a pathetic minority of oshawa citizens.
most oshawa citizens are honest. even though their local level of government is ran by a bunch of pickpocketing crooks. somehow they've managed to make oshawa more expensive per sqft than the much larger city just down the road from it.
oshawa prides itself on enforcing regulations, and creating new ones.
the citizens there do not approve of this, any more than they approve of non politicians who act on setting up shop there and creating clever marketing angles aiming at non transparently robbing people, such as those who can only accept payments based on these terms:
We are accepting orders with a 50% deposit, not including shipping, duties and taxes.
At this time we only accept payment via Bank/Wire Transfer or E-Transfer. Please confirm with your bank regarding e-transfer limit.
gds should be willing to accept payment in person, just like any other honest business should be able to.
i mean, why even bother showing the address number at 666 boundary crossed road, if a potential customer who would have what appears to be lots of vehicle parking options at that location, and gds is able to cover the yearly land taxes of over 660 thousand dollars for that advertised address they post on their amazing website.
ya, ok.
perhaps it is in the general interest of the marketers safety being the main point of reasoning for avoiding customer interactions beyond a wire transfer.
there is so many damn wires..
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wonder what the flight schedules are from oshawa airport to anywhere in morocco.. nope, they would need a connecting flight.
here are some examples of money wire scams
http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/avoiding-money-wiring-scams
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Anybody actually call and speak to someone ?
Or go over there and have a chat with the fellows ?
?
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Is anybody close enough to drive by there? I'd be interested if they 'shopped the sign in front of the building with their name.
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Is anybody close enough to drive by there? I'd be interested if they 'shopped the sign in front of the building with their name.
Anybody can just call either commercial real estate agent and inquire about the building and ask if the entire space is available for lease.
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Nobody has telephones here?
why do I always have to be the call guy ?
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I sent them an email:
"I am interested in this unit. Do the batteries require recharging after the 4 hours run time? If so, how long is the recharging time?"
We'll see what the response is, if any. Nowhere on their website do they mention anything about recharging, just 4 hours run time max per day. Interesting that their FAQ doesn't answer this elephant of a question. Otherwise it's just a mundane battery-powered generator.
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Nobody has telephones here?
why do I always have to be the call guy ?
Because Chet, you do so well at it. I am serious, you are good at this.
And..yes, none of us have phones. (Ha ha)
Bill
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I live <2 hrs west of there. Sent an email; wait and see.
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Current listing is for two parts: 200,000 sf and 150,000sf; rents @ C$6.85/sf; total for ~$210k/month.
See https://spacelist.ca/p/on/osha...
Note the photo.
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Your link needs attention because it's not working.
Note the listing I pulled up lists the building as being 313,500 sq. ft.
Assuming you spoke to someone, that indicates the building is EMPTY and EMPTY = FRAUD.
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https://spacelist.ca/p/on/oshawa/999_boundary_rd/space5
That listing was last Updated Apr 23, 2015; verified on Apr 23, 2015.
It is possible that GDS has a short term lease for a small part of the total.
http://www.manta.com/ic/mtqd3p1/ca/syncreon-canada-inc mentions a tenant.
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So what if the guy has a lease on some building space. Don't you remember his past history, of running out on his lease, failing to pay his employees and fleeing to Mexico?
A leopard doesn't change his spots.
This faker doesn't have what he has claimed to have, which was a water powered energy generating device. That's the real bottom line.
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I saw some hundred people lose their money to a guy in Canada. Even after they got a lawyer they were never able to get anything back. Apparently being that it is outside U.S. jurisdiction it makes it a lot harder to recover anything in such a case. Wouldn't trust this situation for a second. Got to agree with the naysayers on this one.
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I am in Toronto, I have a customer on Boundary Rd (about an hours drive away) I will try and head out there and take a look in a week or so. Maybe a quick email to the property agent who is leasing the property. ask if GDS is a tenant ?
If you did invent a generator that ran on water, this building is certainly where you would set up manufacture and distribution.
http://www.cbre.ca/AssetLibrary/999%20Boundary%20Road,%20Oshawa%20ON%5B2%5D.pdf
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The sign has been confirmed to exist on peswiki by a person driving by. I guess that validates the technologylol.
Mark
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Got an answer to my email today. I wrote:
"I am interested in this unit. Do the batteries require recharging after the 4 hours run time? If so, how long is the recharging time?"
GDS answer:
"Good Afternoon David,
Thank you for your email and interest in our generator!
No there is a recharging needed for the batteries.
Have a nice day.
Regards,
Greg"
So now I'm totally confused. "No" there "is" a recharging necessary? Can someone translate this?
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No there is a recharging needed for the batteries.
This has been a recurring theme since day one for this affair. There were gross grammatical errors all over the place when they first put out their information last year. It suggests that the guy running this con job is a hustler that dropped out of school in grade five and he is barely functionally literate.
I feel sad about MarkE because he was waiting for these guys to resurface this month.
I suggest that you write back and politely point out the offending sentence and ask for clarification.
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Thanks, MileHigh, I did just that and received this whopper of an answer:
"No there is no recharging needed. Sorry about that 😊
Greg"
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I take to mean that no SPECIFIC recharging protocol is needed; rather since the unit (it's just a back-up generator) is connected to the grid, it will automatically recharge. It's telling that the maximum run time is 4 hours.
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Thanks, MileHigh, I did just that and received this whopper of an answer:
"No there is no recharging needed. Sorry about that 😊
Greg"
Is that a double negative?
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memoryman, he doesn't ever mention connecting it to the grid, so the implication is that the unit will deliver 20kWh daily at the sole cost of a few gallons of H2O. I can't really understand how this jives with his previous statement "...it is impossible to create energy out of 4 gallons of water."
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Sterling is heading there to verify the technology. Should be a barrel of laughs like the German trick.
Mark
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I think that Stuart should go with his FLIR camera.
This is a BACK-UP generator for emergency use, NOT a primary source.
I sent an email:
Hello. I just read about your generator on PESN, and would love to see your product in action. As my company is located in Guelph, it is easy to arrange a visit.
Our interest is in becoming a dealer/distributor in certain areas.
For now, we can communicate this way, although my company XXXXXXX is available for verification.
thank you.
Reply:
Good Morning Bill,
Thank you for your email.
At this time we are not yet looking for dealers/distributors as that may be something we may look at in the near future. We are just starting our setup of manufacturing so this is where we are focused right now.
Regards,
Greg
My next email:
Thank you for your prompt.response.
You indicate on your website that the product can be seen in Oshawa. When can that be arranged?
Bill
The reply:
f you check our website in late November early December we hope to be in full production mode and then we will begin demonstrations of the generator. Until then please be patient.
Have a great day.
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Late Nov or early Dec? Hmm, did someone make his announcement a little prematurely? Maybe he's still at less than 1.0? Just a few more tweaks!
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Now available mid 2016 Kicks can down the road. http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/index.html
We are now in our manufacturing phase and our product will be available mid 2016.
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All customers can protect their shipment for any damaging orders by purchasing insurance with the shipping company it is very little money and not worth the risk to ship without it. GDS highly recommend this.
-if the item does not work for the customer and would like to return it, but it does not work for the seller, then there is some sort of built in profitable clause that does work that could cost 5 grand, plus shipping. the seller gets 5 grand and the buyer who handled the shipping arrangements, could have their own challenges dealing with getting their money back elsewhere.
GDS is not responsible when leaving our facility.
-ideally using shipping it sounds like is the preferred ideal for generating sales, though no proper shipping prearrangements have been considered by this 'manufacturer'. is this at all common?
Client is responsible for delivery, any cross border duties and bonding charges, if applicable.
- if not applicable then a local pick up has been arranged, by someone most likely living in the same area, who will be using canadian dollars that must be converted to us values, though the seller has a canadian flag icon on their webpage.
If you are not satisfied with our product within 15 days of delivery GDS Technologies Canada will refund your money in full. If unit is damaged, there will be no refund, must be in clean new working order. If your not satisfied with our product within 15 days of delivery, GDS Technologies Canada will refund your money in full.
Note: Delivery or any duty charges will not apply to any refunds only our product will be refunded.
Instruction and warranty manuals will be supplied with every unit sold.
-after spending:
$5,000 USD + HST
- these are not canadian dollars, runs on water, costs the sky.
-canadian company advertising in us funds. sure that makes sense.
For warranty purpose, maximum run time is 4 continuous hours per day.
-that is $39.8 grand CAD for just 5kw if to go 24 hours per day. comical.
all 'components' of the generator units are ESA(Electrical Safety Authority) approved.
-as are off the shelf items.
is there not a requirement for other types of certification for a manufacturer and or seller in ontario for things such as these CAD $6634.50 investments?
5 grand us dollars, no advertised knowing of how long of time a customer has before it is no longer allowed to be returned for a refund.
i wonder how many pre orders have been placed.
and how many more will be placed before 'mid 2016'.
no, not gonna do it.
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Lets assume this generator is real. The rules around the generators use are fairly stringent Only 4 hours a day for 1 year warranty or 365 days. So that tells me the total run time is 1460 hours producing 5KVA. We have read it can run for 4 hours but then needs to cool down so the water is getting hot. Needs 4 gallons of tap water but consumes 1 gallon every 4 days.
I am beginning to wonder if this is a PEM fuel cell using Platinum (or alternative) and Nafion (or alternative) membranes to produce electricity.
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And what would the fuel be?
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And what would the fuel be?
Money from hapless dupes.
Bill
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Money from hapless dupes.
Bill
LOL yeah probably.
I am looking from the perspective of OK I want to scam someone but still stay in the rules of the law. The 15 day money back guarantee is interesting. So I can run for 4 hours a day for 15 days and after that I can't get a refund.
A PEMFC usually uses hydrogen as the fuel. Hydrogen can be created by passing voltage through a stack of stainless steal plates but this would be counter productive Electricity > Hydrogen > Electricity or via a chemical reaction Example Sodium Hydroxide + Aluminum. The reaction takes a while to start but a small amount of lye crystals should produce a decent amount of hydrogen or you could use combination of the two.
Example: Start producing HHO by passing Water through stainless steal plates until mixing lye and water reaction starts. Then kill the battery and pass the hydrogen produced by the NaOH + Al +H2O reaction through the PEMFC. Now recharge the battery and provide 5000 watts of power.
This would be an exothermic reaction that would produce a lot of heat so I wouldn't want to do this for a long time (perhaps 4 hours) and you would need a lot of water to keep it cool (Maybe 4 Gallons). Eventually you will run out of Lye Crystals though... but would you only need enough lye crystals to fuel the device for 15 days / 4 hours per day or 60 hours.
(Changed endothermic to exothermic)
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LOL yeah probably.
I am looking from the perspective of OK I want to scam someone but still stay in the rules of the law. The 15 day money back guarantee is interesting. So I can run for 4 hours a day for 15 days and after that I can't get a refund.
A PEMFC usually uses hydrogen as the fuel. Hydrogen can be created by passing voltage through a stack of stainless steal plates but this would be counter productive Electricity > Hydrogen > Electricity or via a chemical reaction Example Sodium Hydroxide + Aluminum. The reaction takes a while to start but a small amount of lye crystals should produce a decent amount of hydrogen or you could use combination of the two.
Example: Start producing HHO by passing Water through stainless steal plates until mixing lye and water reaction starts. Then kill the battery and pass the hydrogen produced by the NaOH + Al +H2O reaction through the PEMFC. Now recharge the battery and provide 5000 watts of power.
This would be an endothermic reaction that would produce a lot of heat so I wouldn't want to do this for a long time (perhaps 4 hours) and you would need a lot of water to keep it cool (Maybe 4 Gallons). Eventually you will run out of Lye Crystals though... but would you only need enough lye crystals to fuel the device for 15 days / 4 hours per day or 60 hours.
Hence the warranty. I believe that you may be on to something here. This whole deal just smells bad...you know?
Bill
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The claim that it can only run for four hours at a time simply makes no sense. There is simply no rational reason to state this. It's a big clue telling you that this is a fake.
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And what would the fuel be?
We all know it commonly as Pixie Dust. You should know this already. Or it could be powered by the wheel work of nature
Kind Regards
Mark
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The claim that it can only run for four hours at a time simply makes no sense. There is simply no rational reason to state this. It's a big clue telling you that this is a fake.
Sorry I wrote the chemical reaction would be endothermic and it's exothermic (35 years since I failed high school chem). There are probably a dozen ways to create hydrogen via a chemical reaction but all of them would generate a lot of heat. Some type of chemical reaction that involves a dense solid fuel source and water is the best I could come up with.
Mr Potter does not appear to be exactly wealthy, desperate to sell a motor home, he was even selling his personal stuff on line to make ends meet. The original warehouse he rented he was subletting to park cars and he doesn't seem to have another business. Even if he is just renting a small part of the new factory, he also has signage rights so this costs real green dollars. This leads me to believe someone is bankrolling him. So he has managed to convince someone he has a viable product.
I am the first to agree this is highly suspect, and yes he maybe scamming someone / everyone to fund his venture. So either he has found a rich fool who doesn't want to see a test model or he has some way to produce more energy than a battery in a box would. So I started to think we need some type of solid fuel source and I came up with the PEMFC idea + chemical reaction to produce hydrogen (well this is how I would approach the problem), although he is next door to the Pickering nuclear power plant so maybe he got his hands on some U-235 :-)
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The claim that it can only run for four hours at a time simply makes no sense. There is simply no rational reason to state this. It's a big clue telling you that this is a fake.
One way to accomplish this specification would be to use a slow recharge of "lithium acid lead replacement" (google) batteries
for the required discharge power density. They would discharge rapidly for 4 hours in an emergency and could be recharged slowly
for an unspecified period of time ready to be used again, afterwards. On the recharge side, if for some reason Steorn didn't invent
the self recharging electrostatic battery tech used in his Orbo cell phone recharger perhaps the Chinese did invent it and will sell it
to anyone with money? I seem to be seeing blue leds lit inside of studio microphones. Microphones usually use electret as a micro
level power source. Where is the power to light these blue leds coming from?
Any water would be a prop to be used in case someone gets thirsty during the emergency.
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One way to accomplish this specification would be to use a slow recharge of "lithium acid lead replacement" (google) batteries
for the required discharge power density. They would discharge rapidly for 4 hours in an emergency and could be recharged slowly
for an unspecified period of time ready to be used again, afterwards. On the recharge side, if for some reason Steorn didn't invent
the self recharging electrostatic battery tech used in his Orbo cell phone recharger perhaps the Chinese did invent it and will sell it
to anyone with money? I seem to be seeing blue leds lit inside of studio microphones. Microphones usually use electret as a micro
level power source. Where is the power to light these blue leds coming from?
Any water would be a prop to be used in case someone gets thirsty during the emergency.
I think we are talking about 5000 Watts for 4 hours with a 16 hour recharge time not trickle charging a 2mW LED from ambient RF sources
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I think we are talking about 5000 Watts for 4 hours with a 16 hour recharge time not trickle charging a 2mW LED from ambient RF sources
Look earlier very recently in the thread, the GDS guy specifically stated that the alleged device does not need recharging. Alleged being the key word. There is a good chance you will never see one of these devices shown in a credible demo situation. Think Inteligentry.
There isn't a single shred of proof that Steorn has a "self recharging electrostatic battery tech."
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I am looking from the perspective of OK I want to scam someone but still stay in the rules of the law. The 15 day money back guarantee is interesting.
The money back Guarantee is the key to the whole charade.
Rosch/Gaia have the same wording in their deal with SwissRe.
Stuart thinks the guarantee is more proof that the water buckets thing is real.
A returned unit has to be "in working" condition in order to qualify for the refund.
So let's say you receive your product, and lo and behold, it doesn't produce any free energy.
So you want a refund under your guarantee.
But wait, didn't you say your unit was not working.
Well, sorry customer, but our guarantee did clearly state that the unit must be returned in "working" condition.
And yours isn't working.
We cannot be held responsible for you not reading the terms.
But thanks for your business anyhoo,
Greg
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Magnacoaster had that same kind of BS "guarantee" language. It must be in working condition in order to return it! All these guys follow the exact same script.
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Magnacoaster had that same kind of BS "guarantee" language. It must be in working condition in order to return it! All these guys follow the exact same script.
Exactly TK!
So, I buy a claimed O.U. device and...low and behold, it does not produce O.U. for me. I send it back to get a refund and, I am told that, since the device does not Produce O.U., it is not a working device and therefore, I can not get a refund.
Who comes up with this crap? Scammers, that's who.
Bill
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This is a presentation (at Greek tv show) of a new invention by a greek scientist. It runs on water and nothing else.. and produce pleanty of energy. No sound at all. All is about frequency.
In this page you can see the video and there is also live 24/24 streaming of the device..
http://www.zougla.gr/perivallon/article/energia-ap-to-nero
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There is no mention of how the measurements were performed or the exact description of the instruments used (calibration, brand and model).
Note that the 'lights' were very dim and could have been LEDs. What's inside the box?
I find the claimed efficiency of the 'inverter' to be very high, especially given the dates.
Since I don't know Greek, the documents meant nothing to me.
A Google search for 'electrophasmatic' and 'Peter Campus patent' had no relevant returns.
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There is no mention of how the measurements were performed or the exact description of the instruments used (calibration, brand and model).
Note that the 'lights' were very dim and could have been LEDs. What's inside the box?
I find the claimed efficiency of the 'inverter' to be very high, especially given the dates.
Since I don't know Greek, the documents meant nothing to me.
A Google search for 'electrophasmatic' and 'Peter Campus patent' had no relevant returns.
Hi memoryman,
Well he is Petro Zografo (no idea why the link included the "Campus" instead of Zografo... (and Petro can be Peter, that may sound ok).
I figured out the Greek patent number from the first page of the patent showed in the link, it is 72866 and the European Patent Office "knows" GR72866, see here:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19831219&CC=GR&NR=72866B&KC=B (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19831219&CC=GR&NR=72866B&KC=B)
Unfortunately, the actual pages of the patent are not included, probably they are available for money from the Greek Patent Office (or from any Patent Office by ordering). I do not know Greek either, unfortunately.
Gyula
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That's hilarious. I see dates on documents from 1988, 1985..... and the device looks like something I could whip up in half an hour from parts in my junkpile and a few feet of aluminum duct tape. And it's going to Save the World from the Tyranny of Big Oil !
They all follow the exact same script. A bank of lights, a couple of little motors, a DMM or two, some questionable documents, and some mysterious contraption sitting on a table or a workbench. Not a proper broadband power meter in sight, no light-meters (in a TV studio!) no oscilloscope, no high-power resistive load, no proper theory of operation .... Will somebody _please_ send this guy a bunch of money, so he can at least put together a contraption that looks like it has had thirty years of development behind it?
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But TK, there were scientists involved...
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This guy is legit and his invention is working by ultra high frequency. The frequency interfear with atoms of water seperating their charges. The charges appear to be atracted by some kind of metal plates that transfer the charge.
The water has to be added slowly. It doesn't need any other source of energy to run for ever.
In few words this is free energy technique using water. So its not free, its very very cheep, very close to free as you can use salt water as well.
The Inventor does not want to give the technology free to anyone. He wants to make money. That is the problem.
I also know that his invention is already installed in many greek houses, and is succesfuly tested by military scientists, german big companies and others... All of them asked the details of how its working.
I could contact mr. Zografos and ask him some details for his invention, and what money he wants to produce units. I think he lives very near to me. I will check and let you know.
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Related links
https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CE%AD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82_%CE%96%CF%89%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%82
http://www.zougla.gr/greece/article/anakino8ike-to-idiko-epistimoniko-sinedrio-gia-tin-efevresi-tou-petrou-zografou
http://www.zougla.gr/topstory/article/220-volt-apo-nero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGjlaAllUIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaPonbPUQ_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7tGtvMFC3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDJh2j-Skds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRwfx2Ktzx8
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How and where is that ultra high frequency generated? How high is it?
Are the links in English?
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How and where is that ultra high frequency generated? How high is it?
Are the links in English?
Hey memoryman,
From one of the links given above by member l0stf0x, when translated by the link's online translator, it turns out that the device 'consumes' i.e. uses up a certain metal while operating in the GHz range.
This sounds as the Meyer Mace device in which the iron rod is also said to be consumed when it transmutes.
And an estimation is given how the cost of the material for a given output power compares to the cost of same power taken from utility company (in Greece).
Translated text from Greek to English from the link I mention above: http://tinyurl.com/nmr2xhu
"Suppose that the metal used in a power device (for 1 kw output) worth of 7-8 euro and lasts one month. For a house we need twice as effective, ie two power devices, so two for 8 euros equals 16 euros per month, so for two months will spend two times 16 equals 32 euros. The reasoning is that the mistake of identification of kw power plant with the consumption unit kWh. As in any home we have continuous consumption 24 hours a day of installed capacity, the correct calculation of these same data is that we pay 32 euros for consumption of 2880 Kwh (1 kwh for 2 devices for 24 hours for 60 days), so the cost of electricity produced by this technology is 0,011 euros per kwh, when the PPC (utility provider) charge ten times (0.102 per kwh)".
In this video, also given by member l0stf0x, you can read a test report in English from time 18:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDJh2j-Skds
In the same video the inventor shows probably the "heart" of his device when he add water to the container, watch from 32:14
and at 36:40 he shows the metal sheets which are probably the ones that are consumed... I guess.
At 38.35 the metal covers are removed from the sidewalls of the water container. I picked a picture of the printed circuit board, it looks indeed like as a microwave circuit. I wonder where the power comes from to operate that circuit? He adds water to the container and electricity appears at the output: is the water also used as a kind of (low power) galvanic cell with different metals and is able to run the microwave circuit which then does something to the metal (say transmutes it) ??
More info is needed of course, with more observations.
Gyula
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With respect to the return policy, the product did not meet its published specs initially and throughout the warranty period; It's defective. It was supposed to do what was advertised at the time of sale (5kW for 4hrs every 24hrs). Options would be repair/replace/refund or something else agreeable to the buyer. Anything else has gotta be breach of contract/false advertising.
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gyulasun, thank you.
Wish I could understand what they are saying...
The English translated parts don't really help much.
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Hey memoryman,
From one of the links given above by member l0stf0x, when translated by the link's online translator, it turns out that the device 'consumes' i.e. uses up a certain metal while operating in the GHz range.
This sounds as the Meyer Mace device in which the iron rod is also said to be consumed when it transmutes.
And an estimation is given how the cost of the material for a given output power compares to the cost of same power taken from utility company (in Greece).
Translated text from Greek to English from the link I mention above: http://tinyurl.com/nmr2xhu
"Suppose that the metal used in a power device (for 1 kw output) worth of 7-8 euro and lasts one month. For a house we need twice as effective, ie two power devices, so two for 8 euros equals 16 euros per month, so for two months will spend two times 16 equals 32 euros. The reasoning is that the mistake of identification of kw power plant with the consumption unit kWh. As in any home we have continuous consumption 24 hours a day of installed capacity, the correct calculation of these same data is that we pay 32 euros for consumption of 2880 Kwh (1 kwh for 2 devices for 24 hours for 60 days), so the cost of electricity produced by this technology is 0,011 euros per kwh, when the PPC (utility provider) charge ten times (0.102 per kwh)".
In this video, also given by member l0stf0x, you can read a test report in English from time 18:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDJh2j-Skds
In the same video the inventor shows probably the "heart" of his device when he add water to the container, watch from 32:14
and at 36:40 he shows the metal sheets which are probably the ones that are consumed... I guess.
At 38.35 the metal covers are removed from the sidewalls of the water container. I picked a picture of the printed circuit board, it looks indeed like as a microwave circuit. I wonder where the power comes from to operate that circuit? He adds water to the container and electricity appears at the output: is the water also used as a kind of (low power) galvanic cell with different metals and is able to run the microwave circuit which then does something to the metal (say transmutes it) ??
More info is needed of course, with more observations.
Gyula
thankyou for sharing and your efforts to help understand through translation. so, disolving metal additives it could be then. interesting.
still the marketers at gds are not being all that on the level when considering their version of how a warranty should work,
if the device worked exactly as they claim, not only customers with broken contraptions would be wanting their the expensive investment to be well covered against anything for a reasonable amount of time.
and gds chosing certain channels to market their product release also is enough to make anyone who does not stand to receive a reward or affiliated payment, might want to wait and see, as if there hasn't been enough waiting already for them to be granted CSA and UL standard approvals being an electrical device built and sold in canada that it only makes sense they would need to have unless gifting them away (for 5 grand us dollars cash) from a minivan touring various parkinglots like a garbage speaker merchant from the late 80's.
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A hypothetical is that the GDS guy simply paid the commercial real estate agent $1000 cash for the privilege of putting up his logo on the small sign outside the huge industrial building in Oshawa. In other words, the sign outside the building could be meaningless and when a real tenant moves in the GDS sign will be taken down. You can call it sign spoofing.
If you plan on building "50,000 per month" by the end of Q1 2016, how come they are not hiring full staff for a GIANT FACTORY?
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With respect to the return policy, the product did not meet its published specs
It was supposed to do what was advertised at the time of sale (5kW for 4hrs every 24hrs)
So I guess it all comes down to what Greg is promising.
I cannot find any "published" specs, so let's look at the wording on the website
How does it work?
When you receive your new backup portable renewable generator just add 4 gallons of normal water in the tank and turn the red toggle switch to on position (emergency safety) that will start the battery, pump and turbine all at once, it's that easy. All units will be tested before leaving our facility.
Instruction and warranty manuals will be supplied with every unit sold.
So he tells us that "turning it on" starts the battery.
And I am sure that when you receive your unit, the instruction manual promised will say that after 4 hours,
the unit will need to be plugged into the grid for about 20 hours to recharge the previously mentioned battery.
Water needs to be added periodically to account for evaporation.
In the manual you will learn that the purpose of the water is to weigh the unit down to stop it from blowing away in strong winds.
After all, two other important features that he pushes are :
Fold down locking handle for sturdy portability and compact storage.
Heavy duty never flat wheels for reliability portability.
So you would want this thing to feel heavy right ?
In all fairness to Greg, he is no longer saying that this unit will run for 4 hours on purely water alone.
The fact that it runs "pollution free" and can be used indoors might get some people believing that water is the fuel.
But it is not stated as such anywhere on his website currently.
Unfortunately for Greg however,
his earlier youtube video is still out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg) titled Portable Generator Runs on Water!!
and in the comments :
We have developed a portable water powered generator that creates a large amount of energy to run our portable generators that generate power simply by adding water. Spending money on expensive gasoline is a thing of the past. We have found a way to produce energy by adding clean tap water.
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If you plan on building "50,000 per month" by the end of Q1 2016, how come they are not hiring full staff for a GIANT FACTORY?
I am sorry to say this MH, but I think you are losing it.
Don't you remember about 6 months ago he was hiring "models" to work for GDS tech.
The kijiji ad has long gone, but still documented at
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2015:07:20#GDS_Technologies_looking_for_models_to_promote_their_product (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2015:07:20#GDS_Technologies_looking_for_models_to_promote_their_product)
Looking for Model/Promotional Staff
Date Listed: 17-Jul-15
Address: 999 Boundary Road, Whitby, ON L1N 7G4
Job Offered By: Individual
Company: GDS Technologies Ltd
Job Type: Full-Time
We are looking for females between the ages of 22 - 35yrs old for Promotional and Modelling work. There will be some travel within Canada. Candidate must be reliable, punctual and flexible. Please apply with full length picture and your resume. Marketing experience will be a plus. We are located in Oshawa and looking to market and promote our new product coming out soon. : Please submit picture and resume to sales@gdstechnologies.ca
Only qualifies applicants will be contacted.
I can't say I blame the guy.
Who would not want to own a business where scantily clad babes push the buttons to operate the robot factory ?
Obviously, I am making a big assumption that it is a "robot factory",
but it fits the mold compared to all the other 1/2 million units a year free energy claimants
Pete
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I see on the latest GDS 5000 model they say they use permanent magnet generator http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/SpecSheet/GDS5000.pdf
Also I see there is a 15,000 Watt model now that will run for 8760 hours over 2 years (that is every hour of every day for 365 days). They say they will also build a 50,000 watt model. http://www.gdstechnologies.ca/SpecSheet/GDS15000.pdf
As usual pay 50% up front.
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Nice find, Nink, but 8760 hours is 2 two years at 50% duty, not 100%. Still, its 3x what he's pushing now.
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Nice find, Nink, but 8760 hours is 2 two years at 50% duty, not 100%. Still, its 3x what he's pushing now.
Nowhere in ANY of Potters documentation does it say it will run for 8760 hours.
Just that it is warrantied for 8760 hours or two years whichever comes soonest.
If you are not satisfied with your unit, within the first 15 days you may return it for a full refund (provided it is clean and WORKING of course).
After 15 days you can get a replacement for up to two years (at your shipping cost of course).
How many times do you want to pay to have one shipped back and forth until you finally get one that does WORK ?
And remember, Greggy boy does say "GDS is not responsible when leaving our facility".
So if it doesn't WORK after it has left the loading dock, it must be the shipping companys fault or yours.
Understand the documentation at your own risk.
I would gladly buy a 15KW generator that ran for at least 8760 hours without requiring fuel or recharging.
That amount of power is worth about 19,700 bucks where I live (at 15 cents a KWh).
But nowhere is that currently promised.
Pete
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Now their website says:
We are now in our manufacturing phase and our product will be available mid 2016.
The goalposts have moved again. It's a sleazy con to get down-payment money from gullible people.
On PESN somebody drove by and verified that the sign was really there outside that presumably vacant giant distribution center. I wish that they would drive by again and actually see if there are offices and a factory undergoing setup there. The most likely scenario is that there is nothing there except for the sign itself.
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I have a customer down the road so I took a quick drive past this morning. 3 cars in the car park at 9:30am Monday morning. Looks like they have the office at the front about 2000 square feet and there is a loading dock around the side maybe 5000-10000 square feet. There was a sign that said visitors enter at front office and another that said shipping and receiving around the side. The rest of the building the long row of loading docks out front appeared to be vacant and was blocked off with concrete blocks and a no trespass sign. I did not see a for lease sign out front though . I didn't stop or knock on the door or drive around the back (there is a road that circles the building).
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Nink:
Thank you very much for doing that. As you well know, the number of cars in the parking lot is very telling. If I can ask a favour of you, it would be to do a simple "car check" again in two or three months. We can compare the number of cars in the parking lot against the "Big Fish Story" about a huge production operation with a capacity to manufacture 50,000 units per month.
MileHigh
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Nink:
Thank you very much for doing that. As you well know, the number of cars in the parking lot is very telling. If I can ask a favour of you, it would be to do a simple "car check" again in two or three months. We can compare the number of cars in the parking lot against the "Big Fish Story" about a huge production operation with a capacity to manufacture 50,000 units per month.
MileHigh
Hey, 3 people can easily build and ship 50,000 units/month. One person answers the phone and take orders. (money) One person builds the units and inspects them. The last person loads them onto the trucks at the loading dock. Don't forget, they will have a lot of automated equipment at this new site because they will not have to ever worry about paying an electric bill once they build the first few units...right? I mean, they can use them for free energy and then...run as much stuff as they need. Right? It would be cool to see a power bill from this place in a few months, ha ha.
Bill
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Hey, 3 people can easily build and ship 50,000 units/month. One person answers the phone and take orders. (money) One person builds the units and inspects them. The last person loads them onto the trucks at the loading dock. Don't forget, they will have a lot of automated equipment at this new site because they will not have to ever worry about paying an electric bill once they build the first few units...right? I mean, they can use them for free energy and then...run as much stuff as they need. Right? It would be cool to see a power bill from this place in a few months, ha ha.
Bill
Just think, after one year, that's 600,000 generators. Since they produce energy out of nothing more than bottled water, and the energy they produce always becomes heat in the end, they are going to be making a contribution to global warming that will rival the tar sands. After 10 years, they will make a contribution to global warming that will rival all of the cow off-gassing. The only solution will be to nuke the cows.
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Hey, 3 people can easily build and ship 50,000 units/month.
Don't forget, it's a "robot factory".
All "1/2 million plus units a year" free energy claimants have "Robot Factories" don't they ?
So don't expect to see too many cars in the parking lots cause robots don't drive to work.
You might only see a few Mazda Miatas owned by the models that he was hiring.
The only employees he has been advertising for BTW.
Pete
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Don't forget, it's a "robot factory".
All "1/2 million plus units a year" free energy claimants have "Robot Factories" don't they ?
So don't expect to see too many cars in the parking lots cause robots don't drive to work.
You might only see a few Mazda Miatas owned by the models that he was hiring.
The only employees he has been advertising for BTW.
Pete
Well, I am sure some of those robots would love to drive Mazda Miatas. I doubt that they would be allowed to. Only Google can do that, no matter how many accidents are caused by their robots.
Will those models also get free energy? That would be a nice perk.
Ha ha.
Bill
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I see the building advertisement has been updated. I will be driving past later this week.
What does Property Use Type: Vacant/Owner-User mean ?
http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/Looplink/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=18678199&STID=CB0003&LL=true
I see you can rent the entire 315,500 sqf as well.
http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/Looplink/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=17786358&STID=CB0003&LL=true
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Well, I am sure some of those robots would love to drive Mazda Miatas. I doubt that they would be allowed to. Only Google can do that, no matter how many accidents are caused by their robots.
Will those models also get free energy? That would be a nice perk.
Ha ha.
Bill
Don't scoff, remember that those robots are producing 1,369 UL certified free energy generators a day while we are sitting on our butts.
I can guarantee you that nobody on this site has produced 1,369 free energy machines ever.
Let alone in a day.
The average for this site is less than 1 EVER
And I think the "models" qualify for free "inflation" whenever that damned gravity seems to take effect on them.
Pete
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Nink, "What does Property Use Type: Vacant/Owner-User mean ?" usually refers to the allowed uses for the current zoning.
Where do you live?
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Nink, "What does Property Use Type: Vacant/Owner-User mean ?" usually refers to the allowed uses for the current zoning.
Where do you live?
Thanks, memoryman,
I live about 50 km away. I just happen to have a customer around the corner I visit very once in a while, who have a large automated warehouse with various computer systems, PLC controllers, robotics, conveyors etc.
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Interesting. I live in Guelph, but my in-laws are from Oshawa. My specialty is industrial electronics, focusing on CNC/motion control.
Been to GM in Oshawa to work on their robots.
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I drove past yesterday about 10:30am, this time only 2 cars same ones (and in same spot) but the 3rd car, the black Benz that was out the front was gone. I guess they had a 33% improvement in automation so they were able to release a 3rd of the employees. A couple more no trespass signs had been put up but they appear to be for the vacant parts of the facility (the warehouses and loading docs, they blocked off the road that went around the back of the building).
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I drove past yesterday about 10:30am, this time only 2 cars same ones (and in same spot) but the 3rd car, the black Benz that was out the front was gone. I guess they had a 33% improvement in automation so they were able to release a 3rd of the employees. A couple more no trespass signs had been put up but they appear to be for the vacant parts of the facility (the warehouses and loading docs, they blocked off the road that went around the back of the building).
Thanks for that. It's unfortunate in the sense that in my personal "Google bubble" this thread only comes up on the sixth page of search results for the company. However, you figure that anybody that does say at least an hour of due diligence searching the web would conclude that they are a fraud.
Two cars says a whole lot...
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Two cars says a whole lot...
It says, "Amazing robot automation they have got there".
And also, it says "one model remaining plus Greg".
Too bad on the drive by, he missed the fleet of delivery trucks hauling the (it's got to be 150 thousand by now) free energy generators out of there.
Obviously I am assuming again, when I say they are hauling them out of there.
Cos 150,000 gensets with a footprint of 4 foot by 3 foot would take up over 1.8 million square feet.
And they only have a couple of hundred thousand sq ft available.
And where do the robots do their thing and hang out at lunch time ?
Maybe they doubly or triple stack them but ......................
I am also going to have to assume they are in storage somewhere BIG.
Somewhere with lots of cars.
Pete
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Did you see the fleet of drones? There must have been 10,000.
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We have to keep this thread alive in honour of MarkE because he was in accord with those among us that know this is an outright fraud made in Canada.
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We have to keep this thread alive in honour of MarkE because he was in accord with those among us that know this is an outright fraud made in Canada.
I agree 100%.
Bill
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I just noticed that he's changed his web page. He's now saying 2500 5kW units will be available to ship July 5. He's also showing manufacturing tools and raw materials on pallets, presumably in his building.
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I just noticed that he's changed his web page. He's now saying 2500 5kW units will be available to ship July 5. He's also showing manufacturing tools and raw materials on pallets, presumably in his building.
It's just godawful. You have the moving of the goal posts again to fend off people that have already ordered, and a bogus claim of a big pending availability of product to entice more gullible buyers.
The pictures are fake of a big empty building with no production line in sight. There are big wrapped things that could be anything and I worked in a factory and I know with 100% certainty that his small alleged generators would not be packed as seen in the pictures. The objects are so large they could be anything, like HVAC equipment as an example. I bet you the dude just surfed the net to find those pictures.
I am not even going to bother checking the job boards this time round.
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Well, I tried Google Image Search on a couple of the photos and didn't turn up anything.
The pictures show some big and very expensive 6-axis CNC mills and turret lathes, some tool holders, and raw materials like billets, bar stock and pipe sections, and a machined plate with some holes in it. Certainly nothing in the "demonstration" model shown in the video would be made from those raw materials -- it was assembled from OTS bits and pieces.
It would be nice to see the insides of that building in Oshawa, to see if the photos were actually taken inside there or not.
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As if they would buy/lease their own very expensive CNC mills for their own "production" as opposed to "farming it out." It's a dream wrapped in a dream.
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If I am in the Oshawa area in the near future, I'll do some sleuthing and post the results.
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If I am in the Oshawa area in the near future, I'll do some sleuthing and post the results.
That would be cool. Actually, the easiest thing to do there is to just follow the power lines from the pole to the building they are in and look for the electric meter(s). If the meter is turning, they are on grid power. Why on earth would that be if they have all of this free energy available?
Bill
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"Why on earth would that be if they have all of this free energy available?"
That question can be asked of all FE/OU inventors.
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I cannot believe that this guy is still dragging the public into believing that this machine works? The July date he has this crazy nothing is going to happen with this guy and his company, if anybody has spent any money on this character than you are a full.This fruitcake has copied my I dare on Steve Allen's website he posted my website and he said look this is possible. I cannot believe that he wasted all this money to make the public believe that he has a machine that creates energy longer than 20 min. I have worked on this project for quite some time rebuilt the generators multiple times, went through testing directly from AC motor right to the generator plenty of times. It does not work the motor will overheat no matter what you do to cool off the motor. the force that is generated by the motor it will not give you enough RPMs before the motor overheats. That is why I went with the water pump there is no force that is generated on the water pump.I have spent hundreds of hours piles of paperwork to make this project work. He is a phony and so is his company. that's all I can say to all of us that are looking for Over unity machine.
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I cannot believe that this guy is still dragging the public into believing that this machine works? The July date he has this crazy nothing is going to happen with this guy and his company, if anybody has spent any money on this character than you are a full.This fruitcake has copied my I dare on Steve Allen's website he posted my website and he said look this is possible. I cannot believe that he wasted all this money to make the public believe that he has a machine that creates energy longer than 20 min. I have worked on this project for quite some time rebuilt the generators multiple times, went through testing directly from AC motor right to the generator plenty of times. It does not work the motor will overheat no matter what you do to cool off the motor. the force that is generated by the motor it will not give you enough RPMs before the motor overheats. That is why I went with the water pump there is no force that is generated on the water pump.I have spent hundreds of hours piles of paperwork to make this project work. He is a phony and so is his company. that's all I can say to all of us that are looking for Over unity machine.
Well, I can't disagree with your dismissing of GDS Technologies. They are con artists and I can only hope that Canadian law enforcement catches up with them.
Your prose is not all that coherent. I am thinking this may be a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
I believe that you are the person behind this totally fake clip from 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en-GB&gl=GB&v=zlinM1wAI5U
If my belief is correct then you are in the same boat as GDS Technologies.
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MileHigh,That video I made 2008 was for documentation the people that were present only needed to see the machine run on its own power for only 1 min. what you seen on that video was no fake, I can't help you on your beliefs.
To put me in the same category or the same boat as GDS Technologies is incorrect,
I did not make the video to sell anything.
I never took any money.
I never promised any due dates of production.
I never claimed I had a company or phony buildings
I never made up any contracts are promised people future models.
I could keep going on with reasons why that I am not in the same boat.
I made one video for documentation only to show that I achieved, when you look at my video and then you look at the videos from GDS Technologies and everything that GDS put together with contracts to sign promised dates when their machines will hit the market and companies that don't exist, multiple different generators.
What in the world are you thinking that I am calling the kettle black.
Why do you think I posted on this website only to help any believers of GDS that I know personally from doing the work in this field the machine/generator will not run for any long period.
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The only issue that concerns me with respect to your clip is that it is a lie. It's impossible for a water pump to pump water down a hose to hit some vanes to drive a generator that then powers the water pump. Try doing that in real life and the water pump will grind to a halt in 2/3 second.
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JDHardy54, I agree with most of what you said; however, your device did not work then nor does it now. One glaring error in your video: the incandescent lightbulb goes out very suddenly, NOT gradually as you would expect from a slowing of the generator. I also think that at that time you would KNOW that the concept is wrong, so there is deception going on, despite you not asking publicly for money.
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I was comparing the interior photos with the exterior shot on the home page. The inner walls show a frame structure with vertical panels attached. This is similar to the exterior shot which also shows vertical lines, although the panels appear narrower in the outside photo. This could simply be the way the panels are constructed, of course, or the photo's perspective. Seems legit, though.
In the states we usually construct cement "tilt-ups" for manufacturing buildings. Is this building's construction typical in Canada?
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I have visited many plants with sometime hundreds of cnc machines; this looks like a typical plant to me. I suspect that the pictures are NOT GDS.
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If this was me and I invented a water powered generator apart from Calling Elon Musk and asking him for a bazillion dollars for my patent, I would use a combination of off the shelf parts (like their "Heavy duty never flat wheels" they keep talking about) and custom parts where an existing off the shelf part is not available. So I get buying a small lathe to build some prototypes and then send it off to a fab plant but 4 massive commercial milling machines ??? Maybe they are looking for a made in Canada sticker or some type of Grant from Canadian Government.
I checked the exif data of the photos they are all photoshop jpegs so no info. I am not really prepared to peer in the windows (I don't want a trespass issue) but I will drive past in the next week or 2 and see if there is some more activity (Anyone see any robotics :-)
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(Anyone see any robotics :-)
Well Bugger me.
I was 100% confident that there must be robots in that building.
After all, I read on PESN that "come February, they expect to increase that to 50,000/month".
http://pesn.com/2015/10/30/9602673_GDS-Technologies_Announces_Manufacturing-Phase-launched_Back-up-FE-Generator/ (http://pesn.com/2015/10/30/9602673_GDS-Technologies_Announces_Manufacturing-Phase-launched_Back-up-FE-Generator/)
And I have not seen one single ad for any machinists etc at GDS.
So the natural conclusion is that robots were to be involved.
But now it seems, no robots.
All manual labor with those machines.
Someone is going to produce more than 1 pelton wheel a minute 24/7.
Hope he gets some employees soon (apart from Models of course).
And I have a bone to pick with those models also.
Why haven't they appeared in any literature / media yet ?
Been waiting a year already with tissues close by :o.
Slackers.
Pete
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As soon as enough 50% down payment orders are in, one can imagine that the "factory" and the entire workforce is going to relocate to a small cottage on the beach in Costa Rica.
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Just doing some searching and I came up with this nugget from the "early buzz" days from late 2014 when they were at their "previous address:"
http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/eagle-research-enotices/43
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Stopped by their office
Hi George
I went by 727 Wilson Rd in Oshawa again on Monday afternoon. There was a car in the front parking lot and a light on in the office. I did a bit of recon first and drove around back. Only the one car in the front, no vehicles, trucks etc etc in the back to show any evidence of manufacturing.
Anyway I decided to go in, the building was open. This is what I saw:
-The cleanest emptiest office space I have ever seen.
-a girl working on a laptop at a solitary desk. No papers, files, filing cabinets, books etc etc to suggest any kind of business operations
-I went in under the guise of renting storage space inquiring about the sigh out front. I really wasn't prepared as I stopped in on a whim.
-She took me around the corner to another office where low and behold Mr Greg Potter himself (definitely the guy in the video) was sitting at a desk in a another completely empty office having his lunch. Again COMPLETELY empty, just a desk
I asked about storage space and he asked what I had to store. I said boxes and equipment. He said they mainly store vehicles. I thanked him and as I was leaving I saw a white board on the wall. Written on it was
"Signed distribution agreements" and a list of about 10 - 15 countries
And I left
Not sure what to make of this. I'm sure they were the only two people in the building. Certainly no manufacturing going on here. I'm going to give it a bit and go back again. Staying on top of it. Not done yet. Take care
Wed, 2014-12-03 17:10 — George Wiseman
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You have to laugh. It's going to be fun as we rush towards the big anti-climax in the middle of this year. If anything, you wonder when the next "moving the goalposts" message will come out, and how far they will move.
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GDS HAS MOVED AGAIN now in Brampton They still have the same photos up but now they are in unit #5 170 Wilkinson Rd so based on size of unit I think they have developed Tardas technology . Also has the shipping date changed?
"We are now in our manufacturing phase and our product will be available mid 2016."
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GDS HAS MOVED AGAIN now in Brampton They still have the same photos up but now they are in unit #5 170 Wilkinson Rd so based on size of unit I think they have developed Tardas technology . Also has the shipping date changed?
"We are now in our manufacturing phase and our product will be available mid 2016."
That is literally _walking distance_ from where I used to work!
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The mid-2016 date hasn't changed, but the address certainly did!
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The administrative offices relocated to Brampton and the factory relocated to Kandor.
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unit #5 170 Wilkinson Rd, Brampton
I was sooo close to that yesterday. May go there this week.
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he does get around
We had the original House we think was in Mexico in the video
Someone said something about an RV rental in Florida (suncoast?)
The RV camper van in Toronto
Then the following business addresses
631 Montrave Ave, Oshawa, ON
727 Wilson Rd South, Oshawa, ON L1H 6E9
999 Boundary Rd. Oshawa ON L1J 8P8
unit #5 170 Wilkinson Rd, Brampton
I would send him a check to buy a generator but not sure he will get it before his next move
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It looks like the website has been updated and the statement "THE FIRST 2500 UNITS OF THE GDS5000 WILL BE RELEASED AND READY FOR DELIVERY BY JULY 5, 2016" has been removed.
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Sound like Rossi's words of late 2011:
"WE ARE PREPARING THE PRODUCTION OF 1 MILLION E-CATS TO REACH A VERY LOW PRICE, TO MAKE IT AT HAND FOR EVERYBODY."
and :
"The customer (an undisclosed branch of the US Military) that purchased the one megawatt plant is so satisfied with it, they have ordered a total of thirteen plants! At a price of $2,600,000 per one megawatt plant, this order comes up to almost 34 million dollars."
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I think I detect the goal posts moving once again.
Bill
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I think I detect the goal posts moving once again.
Bill
Always the skeptic :-) , although if you think they were shipping 2500 units in 2-3 months there would at least be a prototype built we could test.
"We are now in our manufacturing phase and our product will be available mid 2016."
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The original "Portable Generator Runs on Water!!" from GDS video is no longer available on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqSuTOKUEg
But someone (a skeptic apparently) has posted a copy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLw1LswpCec
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Another website update: They've replaced their distributor advert with "ARE YOU INTERESTED IN A MANUFACTURING LICENSE WITH GDS TECHNOLOGIES?" This, combined with their move to what looks like a much smaller space within a building, might indicate that they are no longer trying to manufacturer these things. What's next, back to trying to sell the blueprints?
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Website now says "Your interest is important to us but due to overwhelming demand we have temporarily suspended accepting orders at this time."
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Cynical me sees another possibility: "Your interest is important to us but due to our inability to make a product that works, we have temporarily suspended accepting orders at this time. We'll be back as soon as we can scam you better."
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One week to go! Must be a fleet of trucks heading their way to move those 2500 units!
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I found two GDS job listings for Electrical Engineers dated June 28.
http://jobbanktoronto.com/jobs/electronic-engineer/
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I found two GDS job listings for Electrical Engineers dated June 28.
http://jobbanktoronto.com/jobs/electronic-engineer/ (http://jobbanktoronto.com/jobs/electronic-engineer/)
Knowledge of all electronic components, resistors, capacitors, IC’s etc…
I can only guess that it's part of putting up a front to try to make themselves look real to a potentially big customer. They are spending some money in pursuit of a big score.
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OK, Steorn's gone under. What's keeping GDS alive?
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Just saw this on the GDS site today. I guess he's running low on cash?
GDS are now accepting pre-orders for up to 100 units of the 5 kW GDS 5000 generator. All pre-sales monies will go to manufacturing (wages, parts, overheads) five verification test GDS 5000 units for 3rd party laboratory and field trial performance testing. Further, these funds will be used to obtain all electrical certifications and an international patent.
Participants will be required to submit a deposit of $2,500.00 USD via
email transfer to sales@gdstechnologies.ca
Western Union
Bank Transfer
The full purchase is $5,000.00 USD shall be discounted $300. This means that when the GDS 5000 is ready to be shipped, (doesn’t include shipping) the remaining purchase amount will be $2,200 USD. Ontario participants must add 13% HST as shown below for one GDS 5000 generator:
First installment $2,500
HST $ 325
Sub total $2,825 USD
Second installment $2,200
HST $ 286
Subtotal $2,486 USD
Total HST $ 611
Total for generator $4,700
Total submitted $5,311 USD
Living outside the province of Ontario will be subject to their province tax, outside Canada are not subject to any tax. Also we will provide deposit invoice of proof of deposit.
Please submit:
Your full legal name
Your postal address and postal code
Email address
Daytime phone number and cellular phone number
The present schedule is to have the five verification GDS 5000 generators available for performance testing in March 2017. Participants will have access to the verification test plan to be conducted by independent Canadian scientists, their test report, still photographs and videos.
The GDS Technologies Website shall be used to post pictures, links YouTube for videos, and links for Dropbox positing of PDF documents. All links will be posted on http://gdstechnologies.ca/ as they are released.
You will receive the first 100 GDS5000 units, and be invited to see full testing at one of our locations.
If you require a travel visa we will provide an invitation letter to start you travel visa to Canada.
Please Note: Any refunds with be released at the end of testing if required.
Thank you,
Gregory Potter
President
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Of course he doesn't have a working prototype that can be used for independent testing and certification...
When you go into production, the feasibility testing 'should' have been done.
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I'm on GDS's mailing list, I guess, because I received an email from Greg Potter today about the 100 pre-sales. In it, he stated that, after the Mar 2017 testing takes place, the shipments of 100 units will begin May 2017.
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See my response on revolution-green.
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Does anyone know what happened to this guy? Did he disappear? Is he living in Mexico under an assumed name? It's obvious his product didn't transform the world.