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mscoffman

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #690 on: January 17, 2015, 08:56:30 PM »
Ramset clearly, jumping to a conclusion in the absence of *any* new evidence
is a technique that a MIB would use to make and holdups in the availability
of experimental data go onto the "against" column of the list of arguments
against a new device and is not correct or helpful. I have seen this done in
the overunity forums and seems may being used against you.

I think the lack of a clear cut demonstration does rank against Greg Potter and implies
he is personally not technically friendly but that he would prefer to use pure business
techniques rather then giving all technical types some vested interest in his new
developments. One can consider this smart in that it can limit damage in the event
that he is a fake. I'm all for his pure business approach, but think that he will eventually
need to add his name to the august list of people whose products were "stopped" before
market, and that might not have been if they had created some vested interest in
independent technical people who could be expected to truthfully vet his ideas. This
unfriendliness will not dissipate in future but is limited to the fact that he will need to
be ready do everything for himself.

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MileHigh

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #691 on: January 17, 2015, 09:33:53 PM »
Well, if I can decipher your prose (and it is not easy) you are suggesting that GDS may be legit and if they never make it to market it will likely be because of the "MIB."

This guy offers a fantasy generator and has already reneged on one or more promises to do a demo.  He claims that he was in a building in Ontario and someone went to see it and saw no evidence that any manufacturing company was there.  His claims of a giant new factory springing up in one month out of nowhere with a secret address are not credible.  He photoshoped a legitimate generator design and claimed they were his models.  Three models, three different power levels, and all the same size?

Sometimes you just have to use your knowledge, instincts, and wits to make a decision without all of the information but with a very high degree of confidence anyway.  If that was never done the current world we are living in would resemble 1930 much more than 2015.
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MarkE

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #692 on: January 17, 2015, 09:50:04 PM »
Quote from: ramset on January 17, 2015, 04:54:11 PM
Doug 1
I would bet any amount of money that a 3rd grade elementary school class with the right teacher and a few hours could "tare this thing apart" just as well as Mark E has done above.
It might actually take a seventh grade elementary school science education, but not more than that, because the method of operation is so painfully obvious as is the falsity of Greg Potter's/GDS' claims.
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and given that knowledge ,The efforts here [to discredit] are just as silly.
Quite the contrary, it is disregarding what even 12 year olds should readily recognize that is sad.  But my friend the Nigerian prince has an offer for any takers...
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feeling the  need to protect Grown men from Poverty at the hands of this type Fraud
is beyond condescending and speaks volumes....
Again, I can put you in touch with several Nigerian princes who say that they have even better deals than Greg Potter.
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 the zeal here approaches Phobia..


I offer a simple investigation to this claim and they run around screaming like their hair is on fire.
And how have those investigation efforts gone?  Have you learned anything that our hypothetical grammar school students shouldn't have recognized on Day 1?
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thx
Chet
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MarkE

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #693 on: January 17, 2015, 09:52:20 PM »
Quote from: MileHigh on January 17, 2015, 05:14:23 PM
Chet:

That's just politically correct crapola.  Stating that some people are gullible is the truth.  You are gullible.

I don't think you would have a problem if you wanted to buy a used car and your neighbour told you that the used car lot on the outskirts of town puts bananas in the transmissions of the chop-shop cars they try to sell.

On this one you are in the dog house unless you can produce a successful test of the device.  And that clearly will never happen because the generator never existed and will never exist and you are being played like a fiddle.

You are not doing good here, you are just advertising this criminal fraud.  In January 2016 you can post your apology to the forum stating that you got snowed by this creep.

MileHigh
I think that it si fine that Ramset offered to test the device.  I think it is naive beyond comprehension that he offers any hope of Greg Potter's outlandish, obviously false claims being true.
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MileHigh

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #694 on: January 17, 2015, 09:55:14 PM »
I just get reality-distortion-zone hives sometimes!  lol
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MarkE

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #695 on: January 17, 2015, 10:03:24 PM »
Quote from: mscoffman on January 17, 2015, 08:56:30 PM
Ramset clearly, jumping to a conclusion in the absence of *any* new evidence
is a technique that a MIB would use to make and holdups in the availability
of experimental data go onto the "against" column of the list of arguments
against a new device and is not correct or helpful. I have seen this done in
the overunity forums and seems may being used against you.

I think the lack of a clear cut demonstration does rank against Greg Potter and implies
he is personally not technically friendly but that he would prefer to use pure business
techniques rather then giving all technical types some vested interest in his new
developments. One can consider this smart in that it can limit damage in the event
that he is a fake. I'm all for his pure business approach, but think that he will eventually
need to add his name to the august list of people whose products were "stopped" before
market, and that might not have been if they had created some vested interest in
independent technical people who could be expected to truthfully vet his ideas. This
unfriendliness will not dissipate in future but is limited to the fact that he will need to
be ready do everything for himself.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Mark:  Greg Potter is perpetrating a fraud.  Five words, that's all it takes to fully describe this utter and total nonsense. 

There is no MiB suppression, no magic wheel works of nature, there is no secret manufacturing facility, and no product to stop.  There is just a cheap huckster who has repeated the same kind of claim and means of demonstration: battery in a box with an inverter, as so many hucksters before him.  Over the years many such claims have been made from sign painters in Bangladesh, to Greg Potter of Toronto / Acapulco.  Scams of the kind that Greg Potter attempt to perpetrate may actually be useful teaching opportunities for the incredibly gullible.  Maybe losing $5000. to a crook would be worth the lesson ... if it is learned. 
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MarkE

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #696 on: January 17, 2015, 10:06:19 PM »
Quote from: MileHigh on January 17, 2015, 09:55:14 PM
I just get reality-distortion-zone hives sometimes!  lol
Chet is free to act as foolishlly as he wants.  He doesn't make any affirmative offer that it works.  He may offer to test for the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, or the Easter bunny if he likes.
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ramset

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #697 on: January 17, 2015, 10:55:45 PM »
Mark Coffman
I actually have spoken Many times with Mr.Potter about investigating his claim ,however since a recent family tragedy my travel time is off the table .
I will however give him a call this coming week and see when he will allow this to happen.
   
the problem I have here is that these fellows won't do this themselves and when others offer they talk like Mark E does in the above post.
  to be perfectly honest the above post from MarK E fits every single claim to come across the pages of this forum.
he and Mile high will gladly boast this and will NEVER investigate any claim on their own.


To quote Milehigh "RETARDS" and of course  there are hundreds of similar examples from the Thousands of Mark E posts in the last year.[I think He has been here just about that long]


So yes this is typical as well as unacceptable.
but this is how its done around HERE


but not everywhere.
thx
Chet
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Nink

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #698 on: January 17, 2015, 10:56:31 PM »
I noticed in the Christmas suprise post there was mention of testing occuring on March 1st but this no longer appears in the January update.  So perhaps all of this talk of testing is a waste of time.   

Chet you may be better off signing up as a distributor and writing a PO out for say 100K and send him the money.  Yes i know last month he said he was no longer looking for distributors but this month he is again.  So there is your chance.

By the way we just had a new release of water front land in Cuba.  You can buy it today before the rush and Obama personally told me you can move in next month.
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MarkE

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #699 on: January 17, 2015, 11:10:20 PM »
Quote from: ramset on January 17, 2015, 10:55:45 PM
Mark Coffman
I actually have spoken Many times with Mr.Potter about investigating his claim ,however since a recent family tragedy my travel time is off the table .
I will however give him a call this coming week and see when he will allow this to happen.
   
the problem I have here is that these fellows won't do this themselves and when others offer they talk like Mark E does in the above post.
  to be perfectly honest the above post from MarK E fits every single claim to come across the pages of this forum.
he and Mile high will gladly boast this and will NEVER investigate any claim on their own.


To quote Milehigh "RETARDS" and of course  there are hundreds of similar examples from the Thousands of Mark E posts in the last year.[I think He has been here just about that long]


So yes this is typical as well as unacceptable.
but this is how its done around HERE


but not everywhere.
thx
Chet
LOL, Chet, there is nothing to investigate short of whether he has actually succeeded in his attempts at mail fraud.  Greg Potter has shown a box that contains two lead acid batteries clearly wired to DC-AC inverters and into which he connected a power strip and operated a couple of devices for a few moments.  He has added some other gadgets to his box and makes claims that the box will supply 5kW indefinitely if the water is periodically replenished.  He offers no more evidence that supports his outlandish claims than the supposed Nigerian princes I can introduce to you.
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ramset

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #700 on: January 17, 2015, 11:49:27 PM »
See
thats exactly my point
I see you and MH have been carrying around the nails and plywood to board up this place full of "retards"..
Oh I know you feel the need to teach rudimentary eleectronics to unsuspecting passersby .
but all that Ego stuff aside you have absolutely NO None Zero nada  belief in the theme of this forum ,nor would build or investigate [on your own dime] ant ideas presented here,  Even if the be from Nasa Or MIT or wherever...
  you  feel all who would pass thru these gates suffer from some type of ignorance or poor judgement...
and you are here to save us....


I am quite thankful that the services you provide here are of absolutely no value whatsoever to me.


Thank you
Chet
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MarkE

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #701 on: January 18, 2015, 05:09:38 AM »
Quote from: ramset on January 17, 2015, 11:49:27 PM
See
thats exactly my point
I see you and MH have been carrying around the nails and plywood to board up this place full of "retards"..
That's your claim.  Here we are dealing only with a fraud easily exposed by anyone with an elementary school science education.  For reasons of your own you decline to acknowledge Potter's claims as the obvious fraud that they are.
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Oh I know you feel the need to teach rudimentary eleectronics to unsuspecting passersby .
but all that Ego stuff aside you have absolutely NO None Zero nada  belief in the theme of this forum ,nor would build or investigate [on your own dime] ant ideas presented here,  Even if the be from Nasa Or MIT or wherever...
I go where the evidence goes.  If you or anyone else has reliable evidence of something unusual then I am interested.  Sadly, the vast majority of what we see falls between bad experiment protocols, misunderstanding of current science, and the occasional outright fraud such as Potter. Anyone such as yourself declining to acknowledge Potter's obvious fraud doesn't make discovery of some remarkable energy source anymore likely.  It only paints such a person as one who rejects overwhelming evidence even when it is right under their nose.
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  you  feel all who would pass thru these gates suffer from some type of ignorance or poor judgement...
and you are here to save us....
That is not something I have ever said.  Why do you insist on speaking on my behalf?
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I am quite thankful that the services you provide here are of absolutely no value whatsoever to me.


Thank you
Chet
It's good when people can find a sense of contentment.
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ramset

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #702 on: January 18, 2015, 06:45:22 AM »
Mark E
yes doing onto others as you would have done to you gives a peace of mind and purpose,   and  a nice pillow at night.
much better than living a life  of assumptions , guesstimates and libelous innuendos.  I see yourself and MH posting about Boxers, revenge and visits in the night .
YEESH...


and knowing that very talented and learned fellows are seeking over unity
all over the world as well as right under Mark E's  nose does have some sort of poetic justice to it.


perhaps I do suffer you and MH a bit too much with my pursuit of ultimate truth as it applies to Greg Potter.
but your having sooo much fun I feel compelled to share here.


every man has his vice...


but I am trying..


as a matter of fact I do have an idea and I will be sending yourself and MH a sincere
offer to consider .
one which I believe is long overdue and will make a lot of peoples lives much better.


respectfully


Chet
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MarkE

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #703 on: January 18, 2015, 07:34:26 AM »
Quote from: ramset on January 18, 2015, 06:45:22 AM
Mark E
yes doing onto others as you would have done to you gives a peace of mind and purpose,   and  a nice pillow at night.
much better than living a life  of assumptions , guesstimates and libelous innuendos.
The truth is never libelous.  Gregg Potter's claims are false.  He is attempting to perpetrate a fraud.[/quote]  I see yourself and MH posting about Boxers, revenge and visits in the night .
YEESH...[/quote]Visits in the night Chet?  I am not aware of any such reference.  Is your distortion deliberate? 
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and knowing that very talented and learned fellows are seeking over unity
all over the world as well as right under Mark E's  nose does have some sort of poetic justice to it.
People seek all kinds of things.  Reliable evidence rules the day.  Do you have any reliable evidence for free energy from anywhere?  Certainly there is none from Greg Potter.
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perhaps I do suffer you and MH a bit too much with my pursuit of ultimate truth as it applies to Greg Potter.
but your having sooo much fun I feel compelled to share here.
The truth as it applies to the falsity of Greg Potter's claims is painfully obvious whether you choose to acknowledge that fact or not.
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every man has his vice...


but I am trying..


as a matter of fact I do have an idea and I will be sending yourself and MH a sincere
offer to consider .
one which I believe is long overdue and will make a lot of peoples lives much better.


respectfully


Chet
Does it involve a security case in Amsterdam?
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Doug1

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #704 on: January 18, 2015, 04:57:30 PM »
Milehigh
   I guess you have toured all the power plants to make certain they are not committing any fraud. Checked all their equipment with your multimeter and spent days maybe even weeks being convinced that they have not broken laws of thermodynamics. Maybe you can tell me who your contact was so I can I can replicate your scrutiny of the power plants that service the world so i can scrutinize your conclusions. If every person is made to prove to you everything then you must be the smartest person in the world by now.
 So maybe you can explain why it is that there are special exceptions to the laws of physics. Seems to me if the math is right then there would not be any exception to it ever.
  As trust is concerned in any purchase this product has a return policy.Not that I would buy one unless I had a need for it. Someone will have a need for it and most likely will buy it. Then it will be know whether it works or not. Short of traveling to Canada to see one working for a period of time as to satisfy the claim and not having any details you can only wait and see.
  I can get pretty close to the cost of the parts used to build it which are visible and estimate the labor/time to assemble the unit so 500. bucks is what I came up with which seems to really offend you for some reason. I would think you and a few others would be a little more open minded at least to the point of having enough information to make a determination based on real evidence and not just fall back on the laws of thermodynamics. Man made laws are only as good as the observed at the time of the stated law. It's like the pirate laws, it's more a guide line then a law. The only enforcement of the laws of physics is the fragile ego's of those who live by them. Even amongst those who work so hard to bring about better understandings with repeatable experimentation the challenges to gain acceptance often takes longer then the life expectancy of the person with the proof of the observation. People like yourself are the reason that advances are so hard to come by and take more then a life time to complete. You actually make it easier for the criminal to commit a crime without knowing your doing so while discouraging anyone form coming forward who can make a difference. The real criminal isnt the greasy guy in his back yard who may be wrong, it's the guy who keeps saying it's not possible just keep sending your check to the power company while they toxify the planet.
 
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