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MileHigh

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #345 on: November 04, 2014, 08:04:23 PM »
Chet:

Thanks for the link to OUR and I know that there are good people there that know what they are doing.

The reason that I have pushed hard on this testing issue is because I have seen so many of these things degenerate into ridiculous farces.  I have also seen you become very passive in situations like this and it gets you nowhere.  It's very frustrating to see that.

With respect to the test specification, it is never simple.  You may have expertise in testing methods for buildings (or whatever you do) but that does not necessarily translate into testing for electronic circuits.  A spec is being developed at OUR and I am quite sure it will be very good.  The problem is that it is just a piece of paper or some bits sitting on a hard drive.  What guarantees do you have that Mr. GDS will follow your test protocol?  Right now I am assuming that there are none, and that opens the Pandora's Box for GDS to come up with a bunch of excuses.

You should give the document to GDS and have them generate their own test spec based on your document.  You should clearly have a complete picture of what will transpire when people go to GDS before they go there - from GDS themselves.  Get them to take ownership and produce their own spec based on the OUR spec.

Then do you know what is going to happen?  If they produce a spec that looks legitimate they will bow out at the last minute and call it off.  Do you know why?  The reason is that they don't have a magic box, period.  Tons of information is pointing in that direction and you don't want to look at it.  If they produce a test spec based on the OUR spec then they have no choice but to bow out because they won't be able to deliver.  They will make up an excuse like a sickness or a car accident or a death of a member of the family or a close friend.  You will have effectively smoked them out and they will run away.  That would be a victory for the truth.

I think TK put up the link for the guy from 2012 that was supposed to send a big lumbering box to Sterling that would power his house.  It never happened.  The same thing will take place with respect to GDS.

You can get annoyed as much as you want.  The only thing that I have to do is watch the clock run out.  There are no magic beans for a vine that climbs into the clouds coming from GDS.  They are a rank amateur bunch of clowns that can't string five sentences together about their alleged product that make sense.  And sorry, but you do deserve some flak for buying the lame excuses from the other two jokers.  You have to realize that in sincerely trying to do good on your part, you can easily become a facilitator for criminal activity.

Have GDS put their name to a test protocol before anybody considers visiting them.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #346 on: November 04, 2014, 08:08:58 PM »
Hi Chet,

Thank you for continued perseverance into the matter whether positive or negative.

Hi All,

If speculating at an easier design with less moving components this patent looks like it would use the full force of the pumped water.

Patent Application US2005/0103004 A1 - Velocity Intensifying power system
https://www.google.com/patents/US20050103004

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #347 on: November 04, 2014, 08:10:37 PM »
DTB how is that any different than the perpetual motion Archimedes screw water wheel machine designs that have never worked?

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #348 on: November 04, 2014, 08:28:05 PM »
DTB how is that any different than the perpetual motion Archimedes screw water wheel machine designs that have never worked?

Hi MarkE,

Exactly, no matter how we arrange the equation it will end in equivalency.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #349 on: November 04, 2014, 09:13:03 PM »
I see how it works you plug a huge battery at 13.   Sigh!

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #350 on: November 05, 2014, 10:06:30 AM »
MH
As you are aware,  I worked hand in hand with test labs most of my life.
and freelanced on sight testing in the most hazardous and horrific conditions
over the same period.


Here the claims are outlined and The test protocol is brutally simple .


Mark Dansie
I Understand your position and respect your right to an opinion ,for myself
To have prejudice without investigation is the height of arrogance
and at the very least a strong path to ignorance.


here there is an offer to investigate,and we shall....
you need not waste another breath here.


respectfully
Chet


Hi Chet,
I work in a lab everyday with engineers, scientists and sometimes inventors. The only way to move forward.
However you do not always need a test result to verify something, you can draw on past experience and know the limitations of components.
So here I see batteries, I see inverters, I see a water container and I believe there is a pelting wheel and a pump. All of these components are under 100% efficient so its not hard to conclude a not supported results. There is a lack of data, methodology or any critical analysis. You can also do the background checks on the inventor, not promising.
So we can disagree, and once again head down the road where I can comfortable say you will be disappointed once again. Lets face it the track record is not good for overunity claims.
However i encourage you to seek the tests, the data and look at the methodology. For that I would applaud you.
Kind regards
Mark
 

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #351 on: November 05, 2014, 02:19:31 PM »
Mark
the history is self evident and  by default , so is the skepticism.


Very very easy Job .


some folks here have a gift ,a talent for stating "THE PROFOUNDLY OBVIOUS" and treating it like
a Gift from on high.


respectfully
Chet



MileHigh

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #352 on: November 05, 2014, 04:21:38 PM »
Chet:

Your efforts are appreciated but you have a track record of going dark when things don't go as you were hoping for.  At least that is my impression.

If you can let us know the milestones and what happens with this endeavour that would be appreciated.  As long as you give us both the good news and the bad news then that would be you giving us the straight goods and not going dark.

All that I know is that OUR is generating a test spec and GDS is indicating that they will cooperate.  But will they they be transparent?  Will they respond to the spec?  Will they state exactly what they are going to do?  Are people seriously going to make arrangements to visit them?  What will the results be?

Nobody is asking you to write a book, but once every week or two you can post to this thread indicating what is happening.  That seems reasonable to me.

If GDS looked credible I would state that.  Unfortunately, they don't look credible and this does not look promising.  That's the straight goods from me.

This is from PESN:

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RE: Water Powered Generator
    GDS Technologies
    727 Wilson Rd South Oshawa, ON Canada L1H 6E9
    phone: +1 905-576-4888
    email: sales@gdstechnologies.ca

    As I said I would, I've sent a trusted friend to 727 Wilson Road South in Oshawa, Ontario Canada.

    He went by the end of last week and he took these pictures at 10AM this morning.
    No one around... Certainly doesn't look like an operation set up to do 400+ units a month.

    Anyone got a correct address for these guys?

    May the blessings be.

    George Wiseman

Know what that means to me?  It means the whole time he was claiming he had a business and a production facility in that building, the building was actually empty.  George Wiseman saw an empty building up for rent with no discernible sign that there ever was a business there set up to manufacture free energy generators.  The whole time you have been talking to this guy he has been at his house.

So, that raises the following question:  Where is the demo going to be done on December 15th?  If it will be taking place at somebody's house I expect you to tell us that.  That's why I made a big deal about having fans to remove the 5 kilowatts of heat generated (in the long-shot that you actually see that) because my expectation is that the demo is going to take place in somebody's two-car garage.  The talk about a 100,000 square foot production facility is just nonsense as far as I am concerned.  Chances are the demo is going to be in a garage.

Think Chet:  You haven't sold a single generator, and you are setting up in a 100,000 square foot facility?   Are you buying production line equipment, fork lifts, air compressors, air tools, inventory?   Are you hiring production workers, quality managers, production engineers, purchasing people, planning people, service techs?  Can't you see how riduculous it is?   You can't go from zero to a giant factory without having sold a single machine.  It's absolutely and utterly ridiculous.  Just like the story about moving everything in a single day to the alleged new facility is absolutely ridiculous.  This is just a case of reality being stranger than fiction.  The fact that he can say this stuff and seemingly get away with it may make him a bit too cocky and he may make a slip up and then the whole house of cards will come tumbling down.  The talk about this giant factory with a secret address is ridiculous.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #353 on: November 05, 2014, 04:27:11 PM »
Mark
the history is self evident and  by default , so is the skepticism.


Very very easy Job .


some folks here have a gift ,a talent for stating "THE PROFOUNDLY OBVIOUS" and treating it like
a Gift from on high.


respectfully
Chet


I am a simple man with one request, show me the data.
Mark

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #354 on: November 05, 2014, 08:19:27 PM »
Mark
With one addendum
Qualified,  Quality data.

respectfully
Chet









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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #355 on: November 05, 2014, 09:30:54 PM »
@MH: If the demo is to be held in a garage in Oshawa, you won't have to worry about removing 5kW of heat with fans, etc. Just crack the garage door open a little bit. If it's not frozen to the tracks, that is.

http://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Canada/Ontario/Places/oshawa-temperatures-by-month-average.php

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #356 on: November 05, 2014, 11:38:50 PM »
MH
several times recently I have started some threads here ,spoken with the fellows that were relevant to the thread and always hoped beyond hope that I could invite the inventors to a discussion.


many here know that's what I like to do [do it elsewhere all the time] , after all I am fervently Open source .


MH If you peed in the punch bowl while smirking at the Host you could not be more disrespectful of this thread and My intent.


and now you want to help??


I have always respected you and never given you cause to treat me this way [or my hopeful guests]


There are some wonderful and talented people in this community ,with skills to boot.
Your  offer to help is an invitation I cannot accept at this time,


Please resist the temptation to continually treat your fellow man like some inept ignoramus that would drown in a rain storm whilst staring slack jawed into the sky.


or send untold fortunes to the acc't of some scammer.




Enuff already...............


Chet




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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #357 on: November 05, 2014, 11:57:09 PM »
TK:

Yes, you don't have to remind me, the days are ticking by.  Canadian winters have been better, but you still get nasty ones.

I was a fan of NYPD Blue in the 90s.  I used to love it when the detectives would interview the perp.  The detectives knew 'the game' and could extract the truth from some con artist that started out all smug with his fake story.  They could see right through them.  By the end of a hard-ball interview the perp was turned into a trembling basket case and the detectives got at the real truth.  Denis Franz who played Sipowicz was great at that.

That's a good analogy for what's taking place here, except for the fact that you can't interview the perp directly.  But you can get his initial smug storyline and see all the holes in it and all the BS in it.  You can see right through them.  If only to be Sipowicz and have one of these guys in a room.

It's a thankless thing also.  You look like the 'bad guy' all the time.  Look at how you and I called the BS on Fix the World and the QEG months ago.  Did anybody ever post, "Hey thanks guys you were right?"  It never happens.

Well, when this little house of cards crumbles to dust, let's see if anybody has the guts to thank the people that made the call early enough to prevent some other people from throwing their money away.  Quite a few of us have called this one as being BS.  It takes just a little bit of character to thank people for sharing their wise opinions, many that come from real-world experience and a real-world education.  Often the opinions come from just plain common sense.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #358 on: November 06, 2014, 12:05:07 AM »
Chet:

I know that I am pushing.  I don't have to push any more, I made my case.  I know that you like to do these things also.  I don't have an answer for you for that.  But truly, I have made my case and I won't repeat myself.

I have asked you to keep us in the loop.  I have asked for a stringent serious test to be done.  I have made my case for why this won't work.  If someone is serious about making a down payment and does their due diligence chances are they will read this thread.  That's the real reason the comments are made.  If they make an informed decision and decide to make a down payment it's their choice.

So that's it.  I will wait to see what happens.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #359 on: November 06, 2014, 01:08:38 AM »

I am a simple man with one request, show me the data.
Mark

Who needs facts and data, we have have smoke and mirrors. I think its great we have a test plan but unless that entire chassis is made of graphene super capacitors it is going to be fairly obvious after 12 hours at full load if this thing is generating power or just flatening batteries.   

Do we know the model we are testing ? The 3000 or is it the obviously photoshopped 5000 10000 or 15000 model.