Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding

User Menu

Google Search

Custom Search

Author Topic: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water  (Read 405358 times)

Offline MarkE

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6830
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #90 on: October 27, 2014, 09:26:27 PM »
No, I think they are way over the fraud line because:  They advertise that the device is a generator without stating any limitations on duty cycle.  They advertise that it has no exhaust.  They also state that hooking it up to a hose is optional. 

Offline polln8r

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 81
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #91 on: October 27, 2014, 09:37:14 PM »
Good points! Hopefully the authorities become aware of it and they can shut it down. It'd be nice to see them not get away with it.

Offline ramset

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7591
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #92 on: October 27, 2014, 10:10:05 PM »
Tinsel
Thanks,


regarding Patent Numbers ,I did not ask .


I actually felt bad for Mr.Potter ,some Jerk posted his device on 3 different "energy" forums
this weekend and then people started Buying it on Paypal.... :'(


After seeing Groundloops close up pics and comments at OUR as well as Luc's , Brad's and other comments here,The MO is self evident,i felt no need to pry any further [He knocked me onto my  heels with the three forum comment ]


However I did feel the need to ask some duty cycle questions ,run times and design load questions [perhaps redundant but....?]


Ok
Mr.Potter sounds like a very genuine and sincere fellow that perhaps has gotten in a bit over his head with
just what his market will be,he received 1500 Emails on Sunday  and spent the entire day hosting phone calls...


I'll be brief
No it does not run on the garden hose
the 5000 watt unit actually makes 7435 watts,  the excess runs the water pump and ancillary systems
yes it does run at design load 100% duty cycle for periods of 12 hrs nonstop
then must be cooled down for a few hours and run again up to another 12 hour cycle ,He stated components can
be upgraded to extend this cycle time,  however that would most likely raise the price
and is probably going to happen down the road.


He has a factory on a building schedule with delivery dates on or about Dec 15 2014
As mentioned he is excepting NO money upfront.
there were persons over the weekend that  jumped on his Paypal 'Buy it know link"
he is remedying that with those folks.


He stated that the machine is 100% money back guaranteed as advertised .
you can pick one up when he gets them in stock [no present inventory for sale]


I did mention his International patent issues [meeting with "that" lawyer this week]
presently only Canadian patents,as I said I did not ask for the specific patent info.


In summary we have no request for money up front,  a 100% guarantee on "performs as advertised"
a running working prototype which performs "as advertised" ...
and no issues whatsoever with testing or demonstrating once product arrives from factory.


also noted by others here alibaba seems to be running with this outside of The US ??


This is not an open source project ,this is a business man looking to sell units
I will probably not be calling Mr.Potter  again,  we don't do business here nor will
we be needed for "proof" claims [so it seems at this point]


However I do know some fellows that will be exploring the open source work previously associated with very similar claims in years past  8)


respectfully
Chet
PS
I will not be participating in any crystal ball anonymous scam claim nonsense .


my crystal ball is in the shop for repairs and this fellow is making every move possible to
Deliver as promised.


 










Offline Nink

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 393
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #93 on: October 27, 2014, 10:19:34 PM »

the 5000 watt unit actually makes 7435 watts,  the excess runs the water pump and ancillary systems
yes it does run at design load 100% duty cycle for periods of 12 hrs nonstop then must be cooled down for a few hours and run again up to another 12 hour cycle ,He stated components can be upgraded to extend this cycle time,  however that would most likely raise the price
and is probably going to happen down the road.


I am guessing that after 12 hours the batteries go flat.  At that point you need to charge batteries.  The components that need to be upgraded to make it run longer are more batteries.


Btw on one of their many websites they say this cryptic response to the question of over unity.  http://www.gdsystems.net/Services.html

2.     Are the Energy Systems positive (over unity) energy systems?

The energy systems are not positive energy systems. Rather, they use the natural properties of air and water along with the magnetic forces to harness one of the largest energy sources in the universe. Solar, Wind and Hydro are not positive energy systems either, but, they too harness natural energy forces just like the GDS energy systems. The difference is the those other technologies are not as efficient as the technology used by GDS systems.

Offline profitis

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3952
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #94 on: October 27, 2014, 10:45:18 PM »
In other words the product is infact intended to go global asap.we have to keep an eye open for the first unit sold.

Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #95 on: October 27, 2014, 10:47:49 PM »
Chet:

So I take it that you agree that this is a scam?   I think that is what I am hearing from you in your posting.

The pdf on the Canadian web site says nothing about payment.

The pdf on the Mexican web site says:

Quote
PAYMENT METHOD
To keep cost down on our products we do not take Visa/Master Card. A 50% deposit is due
when placing an order and 50% due before delivery. Unless stock is available 100% payment
when ordering.

Back to your report on the phone call:

Quote
I'll be brief
No it does not run on the garden hose
the 5000 watt unit actually makes 7435 watts,  the excess runs the water pump and ancillary systems
yes it does run at design load 100% duty cycle for periods of 12 hrs nonstop
then must be cooled down for a few hours and run again up to another 12 hour cycle ,He stated components can
be upgraded to extend this cycle time,  however that would most likely raise the price
and is probably going to happen down the road.

You can tell just by looking at the thing that if it actually worked it would reach thermal equilibrium in maximum one hour.  So it is completely nonsensical to state that it can run for 12 hours straight, and then needs a "cool down" period.  Complete and total bunk.

Quote
This is not an open source project ,this is a business man looking to sell units.

Assuming that you do believe that it is a scam because you won't speak to him anymore and you "got the message" from here and from other forums, how can you even state what you stated above?  He's a low life criminal.

This goes back to the same thing I posted to you earlier today:  If you want to be the "follow-up guy" then it is your duty to report the good and the bad when it comes to things like this.  If you take on that responsibility then you have to take on all the responsibility.

MileHigh

Offline ramset

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7591
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #96 on: October 27, 2014, 10:57:16 PM »
MH
I have never ever inferred in any way any where that I feel this is a scam
EVER


Never


NO


Also I have never ever encouraged anyone to Play with or use spoons in anyway, anywhere other then their intended utilitarian design function.


EVER !!!


As I have told you many times before The Dr, Savic Sonic Boiler project is on Hold
results were Overunity but not without electrolyte and not outside of error margins.


respectfully
Chet
PS
Please stay on topic.


 

Offline MarkE

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6830
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #97 on: October 27, 2014, 11:01:48 PM »
Tinsel
Thanks,


regarding Patent Numbers ,I did not ask .
Why not?  If they exist then it would make for important tangible evidence good or bad depending on whether the numbers check out and what's in the applications.  Why avoid seeking important verifiable information?
Quote


I actually felt bad for Mr.Potter ,some Jerk posted his device on 3 different "energy" forums
this weekend and then people started Buying it on Paypal.... :'(
Buyers didn't set-up his accounts, he / his company did.
Quote


After seeing Groundloops close up pics and comments at OUR as well as Luc's , Brad's and other comments here,The MO is self evident,i felt no need to pry any further [He knocked me onto my  heels with the three forum comment ]
It's obviously a battery in a box.
Quote


However I did feel the need to ask some duty cycle questions ,run times and design load questions [perhaps redundant but....?]


Ok
Mr.Potter sounds like a very genuine and sincere fellow that perhaps has gotten in a bit over his head with
just what his market will be,he received 1500 Emails on Sunday  and spent the entire day hosting phone calls...


I'll be brief
No it does not run on the garden hose
No it couldn't since they say a continuous connection to a water supply is optional.
Quote
the 5000 watt unit actually makes 7435 watts,  the excess runs the water pump and ancillary systems
No it does not.  There is not 7kW of power converter in the box.
Quote
yes it does run at design load 100% duty cycle for periods of 12 hrs nonstop
No it does not.  There is not 60kWh = ~216MJ ~1.9 USG gasoline equivalent stored in that box.
Quote
then must be cooled down for a few hours and run again up to another 12 hour cycle ,
Sure, if by  'cooled down' he means recharge the depleted batteries.
Quote
He stated components can
be upgraded to extend this cycle time,  however that would most likely raise the price
and is probably going to happen down the road.
This is another tell of the total BS that this guy is trying to sell.  In the same box that he claims to offer 5kW for 12 hours, IE 60kWh he claims to offer 15kW for 12 hours = 180kWh, enough to run 5kW for 36 hours.  Scammers who are too stupid to tell a consistent story are easy to expose.
Quote


He has a factory on a building schedule with delivery dates on or about Dec 15 2014
As mentioned he is excepting NO money upfront.
Except that he told you his paypal is live and took money.
Quote
there were persons over the weekend that  jumped on his Paypal 'Buy it know link"
he is remedying that with those folks.
Richard Willis style?
Quote


He stated that the machine is 100% money back guaranteed as advertised .
you can pick one up when he gets them in stock [no present inventory for sale]
Except that he stated on Ali Express that he has 400 in stock.  Which is the lie?  One the other or both?
Quote


I did mention his International patent issues [meeting with "that" lawyer this week]
presently only Canadian patents,as I said I did not ask for the specific patent info.
He began advertising in September.   If there were something useful to patent, outside the USA and Canada that ship sailed when he first advertised.  But since this is yet another battery in a box, there is nothing to patent.
Quote


In summary we have no request for money up front,  a 100% guarantee on "performs as advertised"
a running working prototype which performs "as advertised" ...
and no issues whatsoever with testing or demonstrating once product arrives from factory.
In summary he told you what you want to hear and you have chosen to ignore his self contradictions.  He did no t give you a single piece of tangible information that you could verify that supports his ridiculous claims.
Quote


also noted by others here alibaba seems to be running with this outside of The US ??
Alibaba is based in China, but the vendor is in absolute control of what they post to Alibaba.  He is no more detached from what's on Alibaba than Bob Rohner is responsible for what John Rohner has done.
Quote


This is not an open source project ,this is a business man looking to sell units
I will probably not be calling Mr.Potter  again,  we don't do business here nor will
we be needed for "proof" claims [so it seems at this point]
So far this is playing out like MagnaCoaster.  You have not obtained any information that improves their credibility.
Quote


However I do know some fellows that will be exploring the open source work previously associated with very similar claims in years past  8)


respectfully
Chet
PS
I will not be participating in any crystal ball anonymous scam claim nonsense .


my crystal ball is in the shop for repairs and this fellow is making every move possible to
Deliver as promised.
How can you draw such an unevidenced conclusion?  He has told you a story and given you can verify to support his extraordinary tale.

Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #98 on: October 27, 2014, 11:03:34 PM »
Chet:

Well then check out that normal distribution curve that I posted and look at the orange area.

As MarkE very aptly stated, it's a battery-in-a-box scam.

My comment about the time for thermal equilibrium is dead-on and that's the "38th" indicator that this is a scam.

MileHigh

Offline ramset

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7591
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #99 on: October 27, 2014, 11:10:17 PM »
Mark E
Have a nice day
I cannot spend the time to play with you  and the way you twist the content of my posts


***how the Heck did you turn a 12hr nonstop run time at 5000 watts continuous load into some Battery run nonsense???[just one example which jumped off the page before I stopped reading your post]



Nor will I participate in Crystal ball character assassination by anonymous individuals of a third Party Known person that is not here to defend himself.


MH
I will not be calling Mr.Potter back because I don't feel he will contribute to an Open source  replication attempt at this time .
however that could change.


Chet
ps
fellahs
Talk amoungst yourselves for a few days,if I have any relevant info I'll post it here





Dave45

  • Guest
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #100 on: October 27, 2014, 11:16:55 PM »
Tried, convicted and sentenced
LOL

and all with a couple of pictures

something around here stinks

Offline MarkE

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6830
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #101 on: October 27, 2014, 11:21:52 PM »
Mark E
Have a nice day
I cannot spend the time to play with you  and the way you twist the content of my posts


***how the Heck did you turn a 12hr nonstop run time at 5000 watts continuous load into some Battery running nonsense???
I didn't.  I took the information provided and interpreted it for its plain meaning.  On the one hand we have a box that obviously has but two large lead acid batteries as its potential energy store, one of which is connected with suitably heavy wires to a 2kW DC-AC inverter.  Gotuluc found the batteries and they are 94Ah at 10 hour rate, ie 9.4A each.  That  makes the total energy in the box 2400Wh when fully charged, and the batteries are not suitable for discharge beyond 0.2C, meaning that of the 200Ah available, only 40A, less than 500W can be drawn without harming the batteries.  At even 100% efficient power conversion the box cannot hold up for half an hour at the stated load.  Nor is there 5kW of power conversion in the box to feed the 220VAC outlet, the only place where 5kW could come out.
Quote




Nor will I participate in Crystal ball character assassination by anonymous individuals of a third Party Known person that is not here to defend himself.
He destroyed his own reputation when he started this scam.
Quote


MH
I will not be calling Mr.Potter back because I don't feel he will contribute to an Open source  replication attempt at this time .
however that could change.


Chet
Oh, you can bet that there will not be any meaningful verification tests.

Offline MarkE

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6830
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #102 on: October 27, 2014, 11:24:15 PM »
Tried, convicted and sentenced
LOL

and all with a couple of pictures

something around here stinks
How many pictures should it take? 

Offline profitis

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3952
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #103 on: October 27, 2014, 11:30:43 PM »
You mean satisfied customers mark E?

Offline MarkE

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6830
Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #104 on: October 27, 2014, 11:37:35 PM »
You mean satisfied customers mark E?
You could be the first.  Write a check.  Receive a boat anchor.