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Author Topic: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water  (Read 355070 times)

Offline Nink

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #825 on: November 12, 2015, 02:01:09 PM »
The claim that it can only run for four hours at a time simply makes no sense.  There is simply no rational reason to state this.  It's a big clue telling you that this is a fake.

Sorry I wrote the chemical reaction would be endothermic and it's exothermic (35 years since I failed high school chem).   There are probably a dozen ways to create hydrogen via a chemical reaction but all of them would generate a lot of heat.  Some type of chemical reaction that involves a dense solid fuel source and water is the best I could come up with.

Mr Potter does not appear to be exactly wealthy, desperate to sell a motor home, he was even selling his personal stuff on line to make ends meet. The original warehouse he rented he was subletting to park cars and he doesn't seem to have another business.  Even if he is just renting a small part of the new factory, he also has signage rights so this costs real green dollars.   This leads me to believe someone is bankrolling him.  So he has managed to convince someone he has a viable product. 

I am the first to agree this is highly suspect, and yes he maybe scamming someone / everyone to fund his venture. So either he has found a rich fool who doesn't want to see a test model or he has some way to produce more energy than a battery in a box would.  So I started to think we need some type of solid fuel source and I came up with the PEMFC idea + chemical reaction to produce hydrogen (well this is how I would approach the problem), although he is next door to the Pickering nuclear power plant so maybe he got his hands on some U-235 :-)

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #826 on: November 12, 2015, 02:59:34 PM »
The claim that it can only run for four hours at a time simply makes no sense.  There is simply no rational reason to state this.  It's a big clue telling you that this is a fake.


One way to accomplish this specification would be to use a slow recharge of "lithium acid lead replacement" (google) batteries
for the required discharge power density. They would discharge rapidly for 4 hours in an emergency and could be recharged slowly
for an unspecified period of time ready to be used again, afterwards. On the recharge side, if for some reason Steorn didn't invent
the self recharging electrostatic battery tech used in his Orbo cell phone recharger perhaps the Chinese did invent it and will sell it
to anyone with money? I seem to be seeing blue leds lit inside of studio microphones. Microphones usually use electret as a micro
level power source. Where is the power to light these blue leds coming from?

Any water would be a prop to be used in case someone gets thirsty during the emergency.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #827 on: November 12, 2015, 03:28:45 PM »

One way to accomplish this specification would be to use a slow recharge of "lithium acid lead replacement" (google) batteries
for the required discharge power density. They would discharge rapidly for 4 hours in an emergency and could be recharged slowly
for an unspecified period of time ready to be used again, afterwards. On the recharge side, if for some reason Steorn didn't invent
the self recharging electrostatic battery tech used in his Orbo cell phone recharger perhaps the Chinese did invent it and will sell it
to anyone with money? I seem to be seeing blue leds lit inside of studio microphones. Microphones usually use electret as a micro
level power source. Where is the power to light these blue leds coming from?

Any water would be a prop to be used in case someone gets thirsty during the emergency.

I think we are talking about 5000 Watts for 4 hours with a 16 hour recharge time not trickle charging a 2mW  LED from ambient RF sources

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #828 on: November 13, 2015, 05:14:26 AM »
I think we are talking about 5000 Watts for 4 hours with a 16 hour recharge time not trickle charging a 2mW  LED from ambient RF sources

Look earlier very recently in the thread, the GDS guy specifically stated that the alleged device does not need recharging.  Alleged being the key word.  There is a good chance you will never see one of these devices shown in a credible demo situation.  Think Inteligentry.

There isn't a single shred of proof that Steorn has a "self recharging electrostatic battery tech."

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #829 on: November 13, 2015, 06:03:45 AM »
I am looking from the perspective of  OK I want to scam someone but still stay in the rules of the law.  The 15 day money back guarantee is interesting.

The money back Guarantee is the key to the whole charade.
Rosch/Gaia have the same wording in their deal with SwissRe.
Stuart thinks the guarantee is more proof that the water buckets thing is real.


A returned unit has to be "in working" condition in order to qualify for the refund.

So let's say you receive your product, and lo and behold, it doesn't produce any free energy.
So you want a refund under your guarantee.
But wait, didn't you say your unit was not working.
Well, sorry customer, but our guarantee did clearly state that the unit must be returned in "working" condition.
And yours isn't working.
We cannot be held responsible for you not reading the terms.

But thanks for your business anyhoo,

Greg

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #830 on: November 13, 2015, 10:48:03 PM »
Magnacoaster had that same kind of BS "guarantee" language. It must be in working condition in order to return it! All these guys follow the exact same script.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #831 on: November 14, 2015, 05:51:04 AM »
Magnacoaster had that same kind of BS "guarantee" language. It must be in working condition in order to return it! All these guys follow the exact same script.

Exactly TK!

So, I buy a claimed O.U. device and...low and behold, it does not produce O.U. for me.  I send it back to get a refund and, I am told that, since the device does not Produce O.U., it is not a working device and therefore, I can not get a refund.

Who comes up with this crap?  Scammers, that's who.

Bill

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #832 on: November 14, 2015, 08:30:44 AM »
This is a presentation (at Greek tv show) of a new invention by a greek scientist.  It runs on water and nothing else.. and produce pleanty of energy. No sound at all. All is about frequency.

In this page you can see the video and there is also live 24/24 streaming of the device..


http://www.zougla.gr/perivallon/article/energia-ap-to-nero

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #833 on: November 14, 2015, 02:58:20 PM »
There is no mention of how the measurements were performed or the exact description of the instruments used (calibration, brand and model).
Note that the 'lights' were very dim and could have been LEDs. What's inside the box?
I find the claimed efficiency of the 'inverter' to be very high, especially given the dates.
Since I don't know Greek, the documents meant nothing to me.
A Google search for 'electrophasmatic' and 'Peter Campus patent' had no relevant returns.

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #834 on: November 14, 2015, 04:09:14 PM »
There is no mention of how the measurements were performed or the exact description of the instruments used (calibration, brand and model).
Note that the 'lights' were very dim and could have been LEDs. What's inside the box?
I find the claimed efficiency of the 'inverter' to be very high, especially given the dates.
Since I don't know Greek, the documents meant nothing to me.
A Google search for 'electrophasmatic' and 'Peter Campus patent' had no relevant returns.

Hi memoryman,

Well he is Petro Zografo (no idea why the link included the "Campus" instead of Zografo...  (and Petro can be Peter, that may sound ok).

I figured out the Greek patent number from the first page of the patent showed in the link, it is 72866 and the European Patent Office "knows"  GR72866, see here:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19831219&CC=GR&NR=72866B&KC=B 

Unfortunately, the actual pages of the patent are not included, probably they are available for money from the Greek Patent Office (or from any Patent Office by ordering).  I do not know Greek either, unfortunately.

Gyula

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #835 on: November 14, 2015, 04:57:52 PM »
That's hilarious. I see dates on documents from 1988, 1985..... and the device looks like something I could whip up in half an hour from parts in my junkpile and a few feet of aluminum duct tape. And it's going to Save the World from the Tyranny of Big Oil !

They all follow the exact same script. A bank of lights, a couple of little motors, a DMM or two, some questionable documents, and some mysterious contraption sitting on a table or a workbench. Not a proper broadband power meter in sight, no light-meters (in a TV studio!) no oscilloscope, no high-power resistive load, no proper theory of operation .... Will somebody _please_ send this guy a bunch of money, so he can at least put together a contraption that looks like it has had thirty years of development behind it?



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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #836 on: November 14, 2015, 06:53:20 PM »
But TK, there were scientists involved...

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #837 on: November 15, 2015, 08:29:28 AM »
This guy is legit and his invention is working by ultra high frequency. The frequency interfear with atoms of water seperating their charges. The charges appear to be atracted by some kind of metal plates that transfer the charge.

The water has to be added slowly. It doesn't need any other source of energy to run for ever.

In few words this is free energy technique using water. So its not free, its very very cheep, very close to free as you can use salt water as well.

The Inventor does not want to give the technology free to anyone. He wants to make money. That is the problem.

I also know that his invention is already installed in many greek houses, and is succesfuly tested by military scientists, german big companies and others... All of them asked the details of how its working.

I could contact mr. Zografos and ask him some details for his invention, and what money he wants to produce units. I think he lives very near to me. I will check and let you know.



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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #839 on: November 15, 2015, 04:07:52 PM »
How and where is that ultra high frequency generated? How high is it?
Are the links in English?

 

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