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Offline profitis

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #195 on: October 29, 2014, 07:06:48 PM »
@mark E that's the problem nothing was observed so no conclusion can be drawn.the mouse was chased straight back into the hole by these crusaders lynchmob here.does anyone even know if the alibaba ad is still up
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Offline MarkE

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #196 on: October 29, 2014, 07:14:02 PM »
Quote from: profitis on October 29, 2014, 07:06:48 PM
@mark E that's the problem nothing was observed so no conclusion can be drawn.the mouse was chased straight back into the hole by these crusaders lynchmob here.does anyone even know if the alibaba ad is still up
GDS/Potter made their false claims just like so many free energy scam artists before them.  Scam artists like these never deliver because their claims are false, not because people start asking questions. 
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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #197 on: October 29, 2014, 07:21:20 PM »
Its too late @mark E.there's no way to be certain now.the product has vapourized from alibaba
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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #198 on: October 29, 2014, 07:28:56 PM »
Without full and complete disclosure, all claims must be taken with a grain of salt.  Just as a reminder to shake up the hypnotized:

Joe Newman.
Nathren Armour.
Don Smith.
Stan Meyer.
Bob Boyce.
Howard Johnson.
Daniel Dingel.
Mikhail Dmitriyev.
Dennis Lee.

Will Mr. Potter be the next name on this list????

The list can go on and on, but these are some names that I have had some personal experience with in one form or another.  It's a controversial list, and there are many who still VEHEMENTLY defend these guys - and they have every technical reason and fact memorized and ready to load into their propaganda guns.  For this reason, the door is still wide open for scammers and crooks.  The hope and belief is still alive and well.

These are names of individuals who have made claims about overunity devices that were never completely verified and/or which failed to develop into a marketable device despite significant funds being invested and research being done both publicly and privately.  I have personally met a few of the people on this list (which is short and incomplete) - some by phone, some in the flesh - and a couple of them I would even call friends.  So let me say this - if an inventor can get carried away and caught up in their own claims, how much more so can we?  Not all claims are made with intentional false pretenses, but some claims are misrepresented, mistakenly justified, or simply not true for reasons the claimant is not aware of.  Some of these guys truly believe their claims are accurate, but third party investigation often uncovers honest or unintentional mistakes.  Some of these guys have made claims that I still struggle with rejecting - most notably Stan's.  After all these years, I'm still spending money trying to replicate his work in the hopes that there is something to it.  My advice, keep your money in your wallet for the most part, and only spend it when its extra and it wont effect you and your family.

Potter is asking a ton of money for his product.  It's not like each unit is 100 bucks.  For most of us, multiple thousands is a really huge investment.  If it works, its the bargain of the millennium.  If is a rouge - its a steal of a lifetime for him.  So just hang out for a few months.  If the projected delivery date keeps getting pushed out - you know its just a pumped up scam.  Time will reveal which are solid irrefutable claims and which are false.  I will say this though - nothing in that box represents a technology which produces more energy that is required to operate it.  I would say that stringing together a bunch of NON overunity devices in a box and claiming it makes more energy than it takes to run it is pretty impossible.  One needs some kind of technology that taps into the ether - the ambient environment - the Zero Point reference background.  Like say some kind of coil, collapsing magnetic field, or electron extraction device.  At least Don Smith made a valiant attempt at it when he strung together some caps, a lightning arrestor, a cool adjustable coil and a neon light transformer.  Look at one of those transformer rating labels, do the math, and you will be rather shocked (no pun intended).  At least Don used a device that on paper "makes" more power than it uses (read the labels).  So a bunch of conventional pumps and motors running off non exotic EM fields and moving water just wont cut it.  It's been tried and done before and not once has it succeeded.  I fear it will be the same result this time too.  So sit back and wait to see where this goes.  We will all know soon enough.
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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #199 on: October 29, 2014, 07:43:01 PM »
Quote from: profitis on October 29, 2014, 07:21:20 PM
Its too late @mark E.there's no way to be certain now.the product has vapourized from alibaba
There was never anything to be uncertain about profitis.  Yet another bozo on the internet claimed a magic machine powered by water.  Water is not fuel.  These claims are false just like all the prior water as fuel gizmo claims have been false.  End of story.

Potter / GDS claims that he has 10 units now.  He claims that he will have production volumes in six weeks.  What he won't have is any machine that does what he claims.
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Offline polln8r

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #200 on: October 29, 2014, 09:31:16 PM »
Perhaps the most important information we have right now, given what we've learned so far... the only concrete thing about any of this:

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #201 on: October 30, 2014, 12:31:43 AM »
Even though it's probably very easy to do, offering t-shirts still shows that there is some slickness to this whole operation.  I bet you they will ship out t-shirts promptly if they get orders for them.  That will make some believers convinced that this thing is real.

There is confusion in the storyline so far, but that plays into a dramatic build-up to mid-December and that is probably hooking people and reeling them in.  There are also "Big Fish" stories with the talk about 10 machines in existence, etc.  I believe there is only one box, the one seen in the video.  They bought a real generator, removed the guts from the frame, canabalized some parts like the AC outlets and the emergency stop button and then built their big black box with a hand-held jigsaw cutter.

If the average 50% down payment is say $4000, and they get 50 orders, that's $200,000.

What about people that ordered from Magnacoaster?  From what I understand no one got delivery and no one got their money back.

If you are in South Carolina, or England, what do you do if your PayPal account does a $2500 CDN transfer into the GDS account and you don't get delivery?  Put the time frame in May 2015.  In other words, you have reluctantly accepted the three or four stories from GDS that were supposedly explaining the reasons for the delays in shipping and it is now May 2015 and you are starting to wake up.

So, you ordered something in December 2014, it is now May 2015, and you have nothing and you still haven't heard the confirmation from GDS that they are ready to ship so you can pay the remaining 50%.  What can you really do?  The "supplier" is in a foreign country, and you are basically on your own.  Do you go to the police and say, "I bought a water-powered generator and the foreign supplier is not delivering."  You are going to get some strange looks.

There is a sucker born every minute.
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #202 on: October 30, 2014, 01:19:38 AM »
Some interesting links:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ccb-sddc/fraud-fraude-eng.htm

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The Internet is becoming a medium of choice for mass solicitation by these types of criminals. Internet based fraudulent solicitations originating from West Africa are reported to the Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre at a rate of 1000 to 1500 per day. Partners continue to better educate and safeguard Internet users. This is driven by a guarded approach - "Recognize it, Report it, Stop it." If people believe they have been a victim of mass marketing fraud, they can lodge complaints through their local police detachment or the Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre at 1-888-495-8501.

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #203 on: October 30, 2014, 07:09:16 AM »
Big Fish Story:

http://pesn.com/2014/10/28/9602558_Greg-Potter_tells-me-to_wait-two-weeks-to-plan-my-visit/

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Another thing Greg shared with me is that they moved out of their factory facility yesterday to move to a much larger, more secure facility, because they want to quadruple the rate of production they had initially planned on (previous plan: 400/month). (Sterling's comment: That will still be ~1000x less than the demand once people realize this is real.) They saw someone out front taking pictures of their facility yesterday, which accelerated the urgency of move. "Everything is out of the building, as of 3am." For their security, I won't convey the exact number of hundreds of thousand square feet he cited for the new facility, but I will say it is impressive.

You may as well milk it for all that it's worth....

Big Fish Rebuttal from PA32R:

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Moved out of their facility yesterday? I was barely able to move out of a one bedroom apartment in one day. Yet he was so overwhelmed by the orders that he: 1) decided he had to move; 2) secured another facility; 3) packed up all his manufacturing facilities, office facilities, inventory (remember, he's showing completed units and claiming to manufacture them), etc.; 4) notified his employees and vendors; 5) secured transportation; 6) moved and at least unloaded all of the above. Sure.

"Number of hundreds of thousands of square feet" implies that "number" is at least one. So you're stating that the new facility is at least 100,000 square feet. That's at least 2.3 acres minimum. An acre is about the size of an American football field, so over two of those AT A MINIMUM? And he secured in on a day's notice? This cannot be taken seriously.

Poor Stuart wigged out on PA32R's comment.

I despise reality shows and never watch them but we sure could use one called "Scambusters!!!"  Plan B is to call a toll-free number.
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #204 on: October 30, 2014, 07:16:48 AM »
I kid you not...
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Offline tinman

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #205 on: October 30, 2014, 09:56:55 AM »
If it's listed on PESN,then it's a guaranteed flop-non working device,as all the others posted on PESN by Stirling.I just love the way Stirling jump in on these !so called! free energy devices-->what a way to make a buck-from a scam.
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Offline profitis

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #206 on: October 30, 2014, 10:54:12 AM »
@tinman.. the karpen pile is listed on pesn and that is definitely not a scam
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Offline tinman

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #207 on: October 30, 2014, 12:06:44 PM »
Quote from: profitis on October 30, 2014, 10:54:12 AM
@tinman.. the karpen pile is listed on pesn and that is definitely not a scam
It's also not an OU device,or free energy device either. It's a long lasting battery that has been running a motor that uses an extreemly low current.

But none of this matters to me ATM,as i have just found something(by chance)while working on another device that knocks all this crap out of the ball park.The time is comeing for something real.

Enjoy
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Offline profitis

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #208 on: October 30, 2014, 12:56:23 PM »
@tinman..bullshit.test for faraday's equivalency law and you'l get a very rude awakening.I don't want to start arguing about that now but hey,what's your system based upon
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water
« Reply #209 on: October 30, 2014, 01:58:57 PM »
Profits, in my opinion, most of the time you are deluded.  Take the example of you not accepting that this is being pitched as an over unity device.

The next major steps in this very familiar storyline arc are the excuses for not making the December 15th and subsequent delivery dates. 

Meanwhile, they are claiming that they have working devices, but you will not see any serious attempt to demonstrate that.  For example, in their lobby they set up a system driving 5 kilowatts worth of space heaters for one full week and they invite guests and the media to come and observe the demonstration, wile streaming the whole thing live over the Internet via Skype or some other streaming service with live people and analog clocks in the video frame.   The whole nine yards with excited volunteers taking 12-hour shifts to monitor the demonstration.

Now don't forget, that the "secret box" process that is allegedly inside this device will revolutionize the world, and prevent millions of people from dying from starvation and not having access to potable water, and the free energy could be used to make non-arable land arable, and so on.  It could be used to run desalination plants to supply fresh water to where it is nost needed.  They could start designing a 100-megawatt pilot plant that runs on rain water using "the process."  They just have to license the alleged technology to a power plant builder.  This could all start in earnest over the next 12 months.

It's the alleged process that really counts, not the stupid "portable generator."  That's what people have to realize.  The problem is that there is no process.  The "process" is two or three Joe Blows that are smart enough to try to run an Internet scam selling free energy portable generators because they know there are people out there that will believe them and part with their hard-earned money.  That's the real process.

So again, with all of that on the line, the salvation for literally millions of people, you would think that absolute and irrefutable proof that it is real and it works before December 15th would be in order.

But NO!  They want to sell you portable generators so that you will be okay in case of a power blackout.  You WILL NOT see absolute and irrefutable proof that this alleged world-changing technology is real before December 15th.  Just wait for your portable generator to show up at Home Hardware, that's the ticket.  So you sit here like Buddha not questioning anything and waiting for a portable free energy generator that is a cool orange colour instead.

You have to start thinking to see how ridiculous this whole farce is.  Really thinking and analyzing situations instead of being comfortably numb.

All of you "waiting for the exciting roll-out of the portable free energy generators on December 15th" need to WAKE UP and stop being sheep.

Not a single person will ever get delivery of a portable generator from these con artists.  Sterling at this point is borderline mentally unstable and he is seemingly incapable of seeing what is really going on.  The factory moving in one day into a new location the size of two football fields is RIDICULOUS.  You can tell from looking at the clip and from the satellite shot of the place in Oshawa this is a two or three person amateur con job.  The clip was shot in some Joe Blow's back yard.

MileHigh
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