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Title: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 25, 2014, 06:16:47 AM
I've been working on a new type of crystal oxide, however I was wondering if anyone else was getting unusual readings from their cells in the past few day because in the beginning of the week my cells had some dramatic readings and as the week passed I've had to change my formula to duplicate the same effect

Call me crazy but at first I was almost convinced the cells were reacting to "good energy" and now after learning that there was alot of solar activity in the past week I was wondering if anyone else was getting unusual readings

Even ambient atmosphere electricity has been very high, that's not unusual however I just want to ask so that I don't chase a reading that I may not be able to duplicate

All the best
Jon
ps regardless I will post my findings when I work out the kinks
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 07:27:50 AM
Which oxide are you using
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 02:30:27 PM
Well I'm calling it an oxide, more specifically a "nanocrystal oxide".I think Bedini did something similar however I'm not sure exactly what he did because he was more focused on making the cathode a semi conductor, where this "nanocrystal oxide" is more focused on being the electrolyte. But when it works it's so random.

The crystals im using are aluminum sulfate no salt and iodized salt dissolved in solution  and sometimes trying epson salts and borax to try and stabilize the current but ever day regardless if the cell is fresh old or identical readings are different

It's so aggravating
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 02:57:33 PM
Aluminum sulfate will instantly precipitate aluminum hydroxide gel with borax.so it'l be a mix of aluminum hydroxide gel and sodium sulfate in the pores of the hydrated quasi-solid electrolyte.if I knew the identity of the anode material I can tell you exactly what's going on
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 03:02:57 PM
I've been trying two cathodes, one is a pure nickel ribbon and a nickel plated steel ribbon and a pure magnesium anode

I try to not use the borax and epson salt because it seems to limit the current but sometimes it seems to increase it?
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 03:29:07 PM
Aha yes magnesium behaves that way in many electrolytes.what happens is hydrogen gas pockets try to exit out the cathode space and insulate/conduct/insulate/conduct while it escapes.magnesium also forms a cake of magnesium salts around the corroding ribbon and it too punctures/conducts/punctures/conducts.magnesium is the most reactive metal of all these crystal cell formulas.it even reacts slowly direct with carbon dioxide and moisture in air,no need for electrolyte
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 03:34:38 PM
If bedini or hutchison has any inert anode formulas like an oxide or noble metal or graphite I'd start getting very intrigued.I wouldn't be surprised if they did infact stumble onto certain catalytic spillover effects or cyclic semiconductor effects
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 03:47:45 PM
The thing is that this is my first attempt at a "dry crystal". I favor a wet type of cell because of the high current . (Over 100 milli amps) where these other dry cells and this oxide only put out 10 milli. At best

Is that common?
And when I fist measure the amps I'll get readings over 200milli but when I use my better auto ranging meter the amps drop to under 10 milli and they never come back!
My meter never failed me before?
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 04:02:56 PM
That's the thing,you might aswell use an ordinary zinc-carb and get more bang for your buck.your car-meter is probably low resistance and completely shorting the cells down to tens of millis.they drop quickly in power when h2 gas buildsup at the cathode and then they level off until the day comes when anode dissolves completely.do you have access to old computer parts sir
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
of course I do my friend, along with a pile of circuit boards
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
Exellent sir.if you can rip off one large tantalum cap off any of those boards I'm going to show you something very unusual.no chemicals required just a pair cutting pliers and a micro-amp meter
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 04:18:23 PM
Any particular size ?
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 04:20:39 PM
The cap? As large as possible.you get them mostly on the power-boards in clusters.almost a pinkie-size each
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 04:42:17 PM
Tell me when youv got the cap and meter in your hands jon
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 05:38:57 PM
I think I have a few surface mount titanium capacitors however I'm not too good with circuit boards and I have my meter
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 05:43:53 PM
Ok I found thedata sheet on it and it is for sure a titanium capacitor what's next?
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 06:15:36 PM
Crack the capacitor in half straight down the middle with pliers jon.you will now see two layers.prick one wire on the black half and one wire on grey half and tell me how many micro-amperes you see.get some distilled water ready by your side
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 06:20:18 PM
When I say in half I mean diagonal between terminals not parallel
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 06:23:09 PM
Tantalum capacitors not titanium
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 06:25:51 PM
Yeah that's what I ment (auto correct) but I'm only reading      .01 mili
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 06:27:32 PM
.04 milli amps
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 06:31:27 PM
.04 millis you mean 40 micros?
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Yeah
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 06:34:17 PM
Steady or diving
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 06:38:04 PM
Steady
and my other meterrors has trouble picking that up

Do you think the meters aren't working?
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 06:40:43 PM
No your other meters arent sensitive enough.prick a voltmeter onto both sides please jon and tell me the voltage.set the v-meter as sensitive as possible
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 06:43:09 PM
Also clamp the cap in a vice so only wires touch it
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 06:51:10 PM
I had a small reading of around. 023 mili volts for a moment and then when I when back to the amp reading I lost all the readings all together now I only get a reading when I move my positive lead across the oxide layer inside
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 07:00:34 PM
Do you have any analogue micro-ampmeters in your posession.1-50 or 1-100 range
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
I'm getting lost what are we trying to make here?
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 07:11:33 PM
A real crystal cell that doesn't corrode,ever.prick around those 2 layers with the 2 wires and try to get a stable current reading jon.don't put your fingers too near the ends of wire-prongs because we don't want temperature interference
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 07:15:46 PM
Also one half of your cap should have a thin metallic pole sticking out of it.you can clamp the pole to the positive side of meter while you prick around for current with other wire
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 07:35:15 PM
Yeah but current is so low I can't even get a full milli amp

Have you been successful with this design? 
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 07:38:17 PM
How many stable millis are you getting at the moment? We going to see if we can raise it with water just now
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 07:43:53 PM
I've been plenty successful with similar designs yes but I can't get hold of large enough tantalum caps to play around with in this area.you don't realise it but the fact that you're getting steady current is very important scientificaly
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 26, 2014, 07:44:12 PM
I've tried a few times with a few of the same capacitorsize and then once they discharge i lose the current even after adding some water

I'm going to shoot a YouTube video tonight and I'll upload it to this page so you can see where I'm at

and I have to leave my workshop right now because I'm going to my father in laws house  for pumpkin carving with my kids

I think you'll dig the results
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: profitis on October 26, 2014, 07:53:49 PM
Ok jon.l8r mate
Title: Re: solar activity and crystal cells
Post by: jonfrommanahawkin1 on October 27, 2014, 01:29:56 PM
Here it is mate
http://youtu.be/X-HAgHLdk-M
I started another post for this topic
and thanks for your help!

All the best
jon