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Author Topic: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter  (Read 128810 times)

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Crystal Cell #360 - Bleach Cell - Major Fail!!! lol
« Reply #225 on: December 09, 2014, 01:38:48 AM »
bleach cell with 8.25% NaClO and Espom. So... That bleach smell , which was horrible is finally gone, but so is the cell...
Less than 400 mV under load... it's been dead all day, so I finally tried to pull the core mag out, and it broke right off...
Video on the build: http://youtu.be/BXoVU7P5rHk

See the picture, but my conclusion with sodium hypochlorite (NaClO) and Epsom as an Electrolyte...
ABSOLUTE worst out of my 360+ cells... lol Enjoy the pic! As I said before, when it comes to sodium hypochlorite...
Just say No!!! IT lasted 3.5 days at best.... I don't even want to try to recycle the copper pipe... it's green!
« Last Edit: December 09, 2014, 03:51:08 AM by plengo »

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Crystal Cell #360 - Bleach Cell - Major Fail!!! lol
« Reply #225 on: December 09, 2014, 01:38:48 AM »

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358 - Dead After 6 Days
« Reply #226 on: December 09, 2014, 02:23:06 AM »
Here's the video on the complete build... actually.. I have another video I am working on to show the hookup to the circuit I sent Fausto with 2 polarized caps... I'll be interested to see how long this cell powers it.
http://youtu.be/ZnLn2yR7DQU
It stopped working with the JT I had it hooked up to yesterday, so I hooked it up to a really low powered JT and it was
looking pretty weak tonight, so I pulled it... 844 mV withOUT load... zero mA, but that might have been the connection
from the alligator clip to the top of the mag strip. So I pulled the mag core and it was wet... put it back in and the mV
reading was 1158 and it started out at over 12 mA on short and hovered a little less than 3 mA on short for 15 seconds.
I went to pull the core again and it snapped in half. I washed it out and there was almost nothing left of the middle of
the mag core. The taped end was still intact, but there was only 1 strip intact between the top and the bottom... The rest
of it looked like it had been absorbed into the wetness that we left...

Conclusion: I burned up the mag strips in the "Fausto Sizzle"! lol ... It's not near as bad as #360, but might be my
second worst cell ever! lol

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Re: Status on 149
« Reply #227 on: December 09, 2014, 03:49:45 AM »
PS - Awesome Cells... the best I have seen... I came up with 8272 joules... for 3 cells, that would be 2757 per cell...
An AAA NiMh cell rated at 3000 aH and 1.2 V would give (based on the rating) 9,000,000 joules... please check my math too...
I get these for a little less than $0.60 delivered, so the only real advantage to crystal batteries is that we can build them with stuff
from home... in my humble opinion... and they are fun to play with! lol


The maths is incorrect. A AAA battery like you mentioned will have 3000 mA/H not 3000 A/H (milliAmp/hour, not Amp/hour). So in the end you have a total of around 13 thousand joules not 9 million joules.
see: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/KhalidaNisimova.shtml
btw: I don't think those NiMh batteries give you 3000 mA/h at all. I think they give MAX 1800 mA/h.


So comparing the cell on my graphs (cell #149) and counting that they are not going to die so soon, that cell in the graph is really a gigantic winner.


Now, I did test those cells against 3 AAA batteries (all under the exact same watts/load) and in the end I had to recharge those 3 AAA 3 times and my cell was still running. So I got tired and stopped the experiment happy that my cell out ran all the commercial batteries hands down.


Fausto.

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Re: Status on 149
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MAX 1800 mA/h.
« Reply #228 on: December 09, 2014, 03:56:10 AM »
The maths is incorrect. A AAA battery like you mentioned will have 3000 mA/H not 3000 A/H (milliAmp/hour, not Amp/hour). So in the end you have a total of around 13 thousand joules not 9 million joules.
see:
btw: I don't think those NiMh batteries give you 3000 mA/h at all. I think they give MAX 1800 mA/h. Fausto.
Mine are rated at 3000 mA/hours... thanks for the correction! That makes me feel a little better about my efforts....
Did you see my video about the crystal cell/JT generating over 40 volts? I am studying the Patrick Kelly documentation
(again) on how to use this to charge batteries... fun!

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Re: Crystal Batteries #'s 356-357- Day 8
« Reply #229 on: December 09, 2014, 04:49:51 PM »
Crystal Batteries #'s 356-357 - created Dec. 1, 2014 (7 days old today)
356 - original reading under load 870 mV - white LED
 - current reading 638 mV = 232 mV total loss
 - average loss 33 mV per day
357 - original reading under load 930 mV - green LED
 - current reading 675 mV = 255 mV total loss
 - average loss 36 mV per day
These were the same build and same JT, but different color LED's, which although are rated the same, are slightly different.
There is still enough light for a nightlight, but when they get down to around 600 mV, I will add some water and reseal.
356 - was down to 623 mV today, so I injected 3 mL of water and sealed it again.
         An hour later, it is showing 691 mV (under load). It would be nice if the next maintenance would be in 7+ days.
357 - it is showing 660 mV (under load), so I left it alone. We'll see how long it last before it gets to near 600 mV.

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Re: Crystal Batteries #'s 356-357- Day 8
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Re: MAX 1800 mA/h.
« Reply #230 on: December 09, 2014, 05:06:15 PM »
Mine are rated at 3000 mA/hours... thanks for the correction! That makes me feel a little better about my efforts....
Did you see my video about the crystal cell/JT generating over 40 volts? I am studying the Patrick Kelly documentation
(again) on how to use this to charge batteries... fun!


Yes I saw it, it is impressive. What is that oscilloscope you have? I will try to build a JT like that. I ordered the inductors from China.


Fausto.

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oscilloscope and inductors
« Reply #231 on: December 09, 2014, 05:19:18 PM »
Yes I saw it, it is impressive. What is that oscilloscope you have? I will try to build a JT like that. I ordered the inductors from China. - Fausto.
The oscilloscope is a DSO Nano V3 (version 3)... I think I got it for around $70 on eBay delivered earlier this year.
It works well, but I haven't figured out how to get a frequency reading... I have to use a calculator to translate uS into kHz.
I had never tested these JT's without a load before and was surprised at how they work without a load. This explains all
of the JT transformer and battery charging effects I have been seeing for the last year. It's a much better way to tune a JT
than the one I have been using... way better...

I am doing my final testing today on the inductor values. When I find what I like, I will start winding them with this 3200'
of 30 AWG that has been calling my name for the last 3 weeks! lol - I think a custom wound bifiler and transistor will end
up costing me less than $0.25 each, which is less than my old JT designs with caps and resistors. Too bad too... I just got
100 caps in yesterday - 100 uF's, 25V - nice and small!

I may experiment with the Tesla Switch idea using caps instead of batteries. That would be really interesting... I have seen
someone doing this as "electrets" but I don't think he was calling it a Tesla Switch... 

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #232 on: December 09, 2014, 05:39:29 PM »
Status.


Cell 149 (the one in the graphs) is finally showing signs of decay of power. Since November 16 to today she lost about .001 volt under load with a few drops of Epson solution only. I have not added water since November 10.


The metals inside look just like before and no visible deterioration is present but I have not dissected the cell.


I assume the loss in power having to do with water evaporation since this cell is not sealed. The major reason I started to seal those cells in epoxy resin.


Under short she was showing around 2 mA. Under load on a Green 10 mm LED is showing 2.58v.


I think this cell is the most successful cell of mine to date. A flat graph with only a very small loss of power. I will let her run for longer and later add 1 drop of water to each of its 3 unit cells and graph it again. Very boring work.


Fausto.

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November 16 - 3 cells
« Reply #233 on: December 09, 2014, 06:24:24 PM »
Status. Cell 149 (the one in the graphs) is finally showing signs of decay of power. Since November 16 to today she lost about .001 volt under load with a few drops of Epson solution only. I have not added water since November 10.
The metals inside look just like before and no visible deterioration is present but I have not dissected the cell.
I assume the loss in power having to do with water evaporation since this cell is not sealed. The major reason I started to seal those cells in epoxy resin. Under short she was showing around 2 mA. Under load on a Green 10 mm LED is showing 2.58v.
I think this cell is the most successful cell of mine to date. A flat graph with only a very small loss of power. I will let her run for longer and later add 1 drop of water to each of its 3 unit cells and graph it again. Very boring work.
Fausto.
Nice work. re: "Very boring work."
When you get your JT's in order, I hope you consider testing multiple single cells with various configurations. I know you
don't have enough computers to make those graphs for a bunch of cells, but you can just take a cue visually daily of each,
and start taking reading when they are looking low... the way I do it... I am planning on having 20 good cells running by
the end of this month... I can't imagine using 20 computers to manage this.... and taking visual cues and eventually taking
readings takes almost no time. It's not boring at all! ;) -- Plus... now I can roam throughout my home in the middle of
the night without turning to turn on lights... I used to bump into things rather than turn on a light... I have chickens out
side, and when they see the lights come on at 2am, they start crowing! lol
« Last Edit: December 09, 2014, 11:34:21 PM by tgraca »

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November 16 - 3 cells
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Re: Crystal Cell #352 - Nov. 23, 2014 - Status
« Reply #234 on: December 09, 2014, 07:01:40 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MubBsGGtxk
This may be the new winner. I made a graph for you. The major difference in the electrolyte is that I coated the mag strips
with some watered down silicone (latex) caulk and MnO2/Activated Carbon first, there is no hydrate #5, and except for
watering the coffee filter around the mag strips, the electrolyte ingrediants were pinched in dry.

717 mV under load after 18 days.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2014, 09:34:39 PM by tgraca »

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Calculators and Logging System
« Reply #235 on: December 09, 2014, 07:29:58 PM »
I have to use a calculator to translate uS into kHz.
I have built a number of online calculators for frequency, reactance, etc. and am thinking of building a logging system
for crystal cells that creates graphs like I have been posting automatically. Question...

It would take me about 6 hours to clean up the calculators for general use and another 20-25 hours to build a logging
system as described, which would require log in to a web app, but  NO software installation.

Do you think anyone would want to use a system like this?

Personally, I am getting to the point where I need to probably do this or screw a paper clip board log above each shelf
holding the crystal battery and JT circuit. Paper/wood clip boards would take almost no time to make and mount and
would probably be easier to use, but the application might be fun if we had 10+ others using the application.

The last thing I developed like this was for my workouts, but I did a market test for this app and nobody was interested...
I don't even use it anymore for logging my workouts... I just kind of know what's up and think week to week now... it's
all in my head at this point... The basic data is still available here if you want to take a look.

http://lifesgift.org/lg/ExerciseMuscles.cfm

This app has about 12 years of research and about 400 hours of development into the app. I still use this not-necessary-
to-log-in piece once in a while just to check things, like I replaced my plank exercise with another to affect just one
muscle group...

Anyway.... just curious.

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Crystal Battery #359 JT Circuit Tests
« Reply #236 on: December 10, 2014, 12:15:15 AM »
Here are the results of my first set of tests... I am compiling another video now on my second set of tests for the new
simplified JT design with no caps or resistors....
http://youtu.be/sZy_SwDk514

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Re: Crystal Battery #359 JT Circuit Tests - Part 2
« Reply #237 on: December 10, 2014, 12:39:00 AM »
Here are the results of my first set of tests... I am compiling another video now on my second set of tests for the new
simplified JT design with no caps or resistors....
http://youtu.be/sZy_SwDk514
Here are a few more tests without load so you can see how much voltage these JT circuits can generate without load...
http://youtu.be/RWvBIT7IbRw

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #238 on: December 10, 2014, 01:20:24 AM »
Status.


Cell 149 (the one in the graphs) is finally showing signs of decay of power. Since November 16 to today she lost about .001 volt under load with a few drops of Epson solution only. I have not added water since November 10.


The metals inside look just like before and no visible deterioration is present but I have not dissected the cell.


I assume the loss in power having to do with water evaporation since this cell is not sealed. The major reason I started to seal those cells in epoxy resin.


Under short she was showing around 2 mA. Under load on a Green 10 mm LED is showing 2.58v.


I think this cell is the most successful cell of mine to date. A flat graph with only a very small loss of power. I will let her run for longer and later add 1 drop of water to each of its 3 unit cells and graph it again. Very boring work.


Fausto.


I forgot to mention that this cell also goes up and down in its voltage on the graph, for example right now, she is back to when I started which is 2.81volts.


I also made a load test of a short using the meter which changes the cell substantially until it stabilizes again to the new load and back.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #239 on: December 10, 2014, 06:47:16 PM »
A few years back I noticed a pattern with those cells that may help you to know if you are on the right track or not.


I was convinced that the power coming out from those cells was not only galvanic.


To demonstrate that here it goes a simple test: Create 3 cells in the exact same way. Let them run for 3 different lengths of times while adding water at different rates/time. One let it run until it simply die without adding water/Epson. The second one let it run but keep adding water/Epson 2/3 more times in relation to the others. The third one let keep adding water/Epson 1/3 more times in relation to others. Do this until second and third cell FINALLY DIE.

Now that second and third cells are dead, start adding water/Epson to only the first one and observe and measure its output power in relation to time.

Example: Cell 1 no water/Epson until she dies. Cell 2 add water/Epson twice every week until she dies for good (it could take a month here). Cell 3 add water/Epson 3 times every week until she dies for good (it could take another month here).

Now that all are dead and Cell 2 and 3 will no longer give useful power even adding water/Epson, take Cell 1 add water/Epson until it dies again and repeat the process being adding water only AFTER she dies or becomes "dormant", UNTIL she finally dies like the rest and responds no more with more water EVER. Open the Cells and examine their corrosion level.

Now, you should see a clear pattern where the one that is watered most frequently is the first to die in total corrosion before the rest but it will not be the one giving the most power ration in relation to length of life. The one with the least frequently water added will be living MUCH LONGER useful life and power ration in relation to life length.


In other words, the one that is "fed" water/Epson only after "dormancy" state will be the winner.
In other words again, the one that is frequently "fed" the least with water until the "dormancy" state comes will be the winner.
In other words again, the one that is "fed" in accordance with ITS "dormancy life CYCLE" will be the winner.
In other words again, the one that is "fed" only when she NEEDS will win.
In other words again, the one that is in sync with its "nature" of growth will win. (This is super important).
In other words again, the one that lives in respect with the "seasons of the year/life" will be the winner.
In other words again, the one that is NOT FORCED will win.


Bedini said in one of his videos that "you cannot accelerate nature. You have to let the battery do its thing at her time".


To see this one will need to measure (empirical data) AND KNOW what is CORROSION indeed with ALSO EMPIRICAL DATA. In another thread I asked people to do a "BASELINE" but I was criticized by the argument that "we all know what corrosion is". Do they really? ???


Teo should be able to easily see when corrosion hits the road and KILLS the cell, so he should be able to determined a BASELINE to compare the cells to and SEE what I am talking about. This should be enough to "itch" your mind and corrode you from inside until you find the reason (pun intended).


Now the reasoning, or should I wait until you guys have demonstrated the empirical data  and convinced that indeed this pattern exists? Well, i guess I will wait first.


Here is the MOST IMPORTANT thing from now on, IF your 3 cells in the end gives the same power output ration in relation to time and frequency of adding water, YOU ARE ON THE WRONG TRACK WITH YOUR FORMULA AND BUILD PROCESS AND GEOMETRY.


The only problem with this experiment is that it takes TIME, patience and endurance. For those that want a quick build and results be ready for big failure unless your objectives are to have a galvanic cell. The benefit of me here is that I ALREADY passed that phase and spent the time doing that so YOU can save yourselves the trouble.


BUT, you will need to do this experiment at least ONCE to KNOW that. Only once, since you already did the galvanic cells and know more or less what to expect to call a cell "dead". In other words, that even adding water that cell will no longer work or it will be totally corroded. The rest I did and take for granted my words and save yourself years of testing. You will eventually even see cells that will be totally dead and still have plenty of electrodes left and make you go like "whattttt? ??? ?!!!!".


Now that you KNOW the life cycle of these cells, you will know if the "formula" is right IF the cells responds to that PATTERN. I say "formula" in quotes because this is only ONE of the 3 necessary things to get it right: The formula, the build process and the geometry. Any of those changed will dramatically change the results.


You may also be asking: Fausto what is the zapping for ?
Well the zapping is another Nature's trick in accelerating the process but in Nature's ways. Have you heard Bob Babcok saying that "Nature has its safe guards but it also can be 'tricked'" ?


Fausto.

 

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