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Author Topic: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter  (Read 135196 times)

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #150 on: December 01, 2014, 08:21:57 PM »
That looks like 2 cells in series.
Is that under load?
 - If so, what is the mA reading (power draw) under load? (This translates to the load)
Also, what is the mA reading shorted?
Thanks! -t
Note that these are basic questions nobody building these things really addresses, except me... not sure why...


This is 3 units cell. Green 10 mm LED. I don't know the mA but I would guess it is around 1mA. The meter is cross the LED leads. I really don't want to short this baby now  :'( .


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #151 on: December 01, 2014, 08:49:35 PM »
This is 3 units cell. Green 10 mm LED.
I don't know the mA but I would guess it is around 1mA. The meter is cross the LED leads.
I really don't want to short this baby now  :'( . Fausto.
Alright... no shorts... But at least solder an aligator clip on one end of the LED so you can get a real load reading...
Even monkeys don't guess! lol
PS - In this way, everyone can get a real feel for how the 3 cells are really performing...
better yet, add a JT circuit to each cell so you can get a feel for how each one is performing separately. Use this one, which will
work  for 1/2 mA draw (load):
http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/JT_Test_Circuit2.png

PS - I am chatting with BackRoom Labs on YouTube. He has some really great stuff! I invited him over here, so hopefully he will join us! ;)

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Crystal Batteries #'s 356-357 - Dec. 1, 2014
« Reply #152 on: December 01, 2014, 11:45:53 PM »
Still not electrified... I'll burn at least 1 one or more tomorrow. New shelves for nightlights covered...

http://youtu.be/Rz3t92tABF4

Current electrolyte formula:
12 parts activated carbon
6 parts Epsom salt
2 parts hydrate #5
2 parts MnO2
1 parts borax
filtered water blended to a thick paste

Build for both:
bottom of copper pipe caulked and dried for a couple days - hardened
3" of 1/2" copper pipe, 34" of mag. strip folded into 3.25" - taped
coffee filter soaked in borax solution and wrapped around mag. strips, then
placed in pipe, electrolyte spooned in and tapped in place
top sealed with caulk - approx 1/2" of mag. strips hanging out.

NOTE: soldered alligator clip to the neg. end of the JT to connect to cathode. This allows easy access for mA draw tests.
Soldered pos. end - JT to battery - permanent connection... used a tac to hold the circuit on the shelf. The shelf is 2.5" wide by 4" tall
with 2 pieces of wood simply glued together. There is a 5/8" hold drilled into the base to hold the 1/2" copper pipe in place. Screwed to
wall. I wonder how many of these I will have by Christmas! lol
« Last Edit: December 02, 2014, 10:32:05 AM by tgraca »

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« Reply #153 on: December 02, 2014, 12:29:38 AM »
Research Experiment:
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« Reply #154 on: December 02, 2014, 01:16:28 AM »
Research Experiment:
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #155 on: December 02, 2014, 05:47:56 AM »
@ tgracia is that a polarity cap?and the resister across it?
    also I have some 10 uh inductors, the ones that look little green resisters, think they will work?
    If you coil your own, please tut, I have plenty of number 31wire and 26 for that matter, much thanks!
@ Fausto theres a new dance out called the Fausto Sizzle, lol ..
    F149 is the same as F134 so I'm good for my next build, the triple roll ;)
I've got lots of white LEDs from a CHRISTmas light special, family thinks I'm nuts, well until we had a power outage, girls are all asking "dad were are your experiments " they used them all night and next day because not a single flash light could be found...
 mine are only a one wrap around 2 mag strips,made a few months ago still going , but they only last a few hours, but hey they work.
you inspired me to pick this crystal battery thing up again and get involved, had to put the 3d printer project aside for a bit lol.
You can tell in some of your vids a genuine excitement in your voice when you nailed it.
Awsome work my friend and thanks for sharing!!

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #156 on: December 02, 2014, 05:58:22 AM »
@ tgracia is that a polarity cap?and the resister across it?
    also I have some 10 uh inductors, the ones that look little green resisters, think they will work?
    If you coil your own, please tut, I have plenty of number 31wire and 26 for that matter, much thanks!
@ Fausto theres a new dance out called the Fausto Sizzle, lol ..
    F149 is the same as F134 so I'm good for my next build, the triple roll ;)
I've got lots of white LEDs from a CHRISTmas light special, family thinks I'm nuts, well until we had a power outage, girls are all asking "dad were are your experiments " they used them all night and next day because not a single flash light could be found...
 mine are only a one wrap around 2 mag strips,made a few months ago still going , but they only last a few hours, but hey they work.
you inspired me to pick this crystal battery thing up again and get involved, had to put the 3d printer project aside for a bit lol.
You can tell in some of your vids a genuine excitement in your voice when you nailed it.
Awsome work my friend and thanks for sharing!!


F149 is an improvement over F134. We are working on F149 (well at least me). Teo is working in many variations as he can, which is awesome.
My Kids love those lights too, my wife does not because I put them besides my bed and they make a bright light when your eyes get used to the dark.


Well, I hope I give some "inspiration" for others to continue this research. I "did not get it" yet. I do have some awesome cells running beyond my understanding and belief. They will die, may be, but so far it is running very strongly. I also noticed that temperature makes a huge difference in 100th of a volt of the output power.


One thing is for sure, if this cell dies, I will be disappointed AGAIN BUT I will learn from it a lot. This one is the WINNER hands down in performance, durability, stability, size and cost. The only problem so far is to replicate it without having to wait 12 months of "dormancy".


There are too many variables right now flying on this setup. The formula is solid and replicatable but the build process is tricky. I have not seen anyone build JUST LIKE I DID to the DOT, so it is difficult to believe someone will replicate this cell of mine so far. Let's see.


Geometry IS EVERYTHING in this cell, really is. It took me a long time to figure out the geometry with the kitchen paper towel to get the crystal separated from the rest of the chemicals.


Sometimes one must think like a monkey. The monkey sees the banana and goes like: hmmm, she is so bright and appealing. So he peels her off very slowlyyyyyyyy. Almost like humans. Get it?


Fausto.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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JT Design - The Spoon Fed System Analysis
« Reply #157 on: December 02, 2014, 09:26:08 AM »
@ tgracia is that a polarity cap?and the resister across it?
    also I have some 10 uh inductors, the ones that look little green resisters, think they will work?
    If you coil your own, please tut, I have plenty of number 31wire and 26 for that matter, much thanks!
Fausto doesn't like to spoon feed us, but I need the spoons, so here's one for you... lol

10 uH doesn't offer much inductance and I haven't had much luck with that level in JT circuits for these crystal cells, although it
can be done. If you can invest $4.79 and have a few weeks, this is a great deal on 200 inductors with 20 values up to 4.7 mH.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271313527679?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
You can find 100 of those 10 mH inductors for about $10 delivered too on eBay.

I like the polarized caps in the JT circuit better for crystal batteries because it pulses the power back to the positive on the crystal batteries.
I think this helps keep them alive longer, but I could be wrong... it's just the way I have always done it, and from day 1 my cells
have always lasted a long time. I like 100 uF because it creates slower pulses, but any value would work. When you start experimenting
with the various values of components in a JT circuit, it's really slims up the possibilities to fix at least one.* I got a deal on 100 uF caps
last year and just ordered some smaller ones to make my JTC's a little smaller. Here's a great deal - 100 for $1.82....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221568727154?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Be careful... this is getting to be big money now!!! lol

I use a variable resistor as the main variable in the circuit and then fix the value and use a small 1/4 watt resistor of that value. With this
technique, you will need a breadboard and an LC meter to determine what value the variable resistor is set at. With LC meters, the cheaper
ones are better. I have wasted money on the more expensive ones. There is a little blue one available for about $20 shipped, which I have
found to be accurate enough for my work (play).

When winding coils, remember that the gauge of the wire does not affect the inductance. It does affect the resistance of the coil inductors.
These 2 values per coil is a major factor in the reactance of your system. For these little inductors, they don't have much resistance until
you get past 1 mH. For hand wound coils, I usually wind bifilar style, which works great for JT circuits, but it takes a lot of winds to get
inductance. I use bolts/washers/nuts as cores** and 350 winds gives about 6 mH, so it is a lot of winding and counting. Some people get
these circuits working really well with 20 winds, but I have always needed at least 50. I am usually disappointed when I see someone get
something working and although I appreciate that they share it, I always wish they would "spoon feed" us a little more and talk about
their failures and how they got it working. Simple things like LC meter readings on the inductance of their coils and the number of winds,
etc. really help.

*If you take that JT circuit and view it as 4 variable valued components (2 inductors, 1 cap, and 1 resistor) and figure 20 possible values
(as a premise), you have 4 to the 20th power of possible combinations, which is 1,099,511,627,776 (over a trillion). Fixing one value,
like the cap, gives you 3 to the 20th power of possible combinations, which is 3,486,784,401 (3.5 billion) - that's a lot less! lol
The variable resistor helps in that you can adjust it to find the resistance you need, which brings us down to 2 to the 20th power
(1,048,576 - just over a million), and so these are just the inductors. Fix one of those, like 10 mH or 1 mH on the base of the transistor,
and you bring the possibilities down to the second inductor on the collector (20) and the variable resistor. Have fun! lol

**I get bolts/washers/nuts for $2 per pound locally, so I have a large collection of these and actually used them and some wood to make
a coil winder... that might make a good video, eh!

PS - JT's are not the only circuits. Bedini uses something else, and running the LED off the emitter instead of off the collector works well
too. Note that I have been using the 3904 NPN transistors for these forever, but just ordered some 2N2222's, which for some reason
have suddenly become readily available and really cheap, so I'll have a chance to play with those soon... a new fixed variable JT component!




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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #158 on: December 02, 2014, 09:58:22 AM »
@tgracia thanks for the links ,they don't ship to Alaska :( besides my expirment money is not although the the meter you mentioned should be on my list, I've got some scrap electronics , I do have plenty of 2n2222 and some veritable resisters, my JT have been hit an miss...mostly miss..lol so I went to 3 cells lighting a led for hours and I'm happy with them, but Faustos vids got stoked again, got 3 wrapped cells with the F 149 only had time to sizzle one cell but I don't think I was long enough.,arg ran out of time.
@Fausto the f149 mix dried to a pretty black crystal mix and the more wraps / formula gave a , for a lack of a better term satisfiying reaction. Also my Epsom mix before was  no where near a strong as yours, so glad I asked, .
I really like your electrolysis method for the one way gate for the mag and copper, beats cooking it.
Thought this was cool....
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Good night gents.."

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« Reply #159 on: December 02, 2014, 10:14:12 AM »
@tgracia thanks for the links ,they don't ship to Alaska
The inductors will ship to Alaska and there are other sources for other things mentioned, but there is a certain amount of fun working with
scrap components you dig out of the trash. I have a large collection of scrapped electronics components, but haven't played with them
much. I have a to-do list too! lol

I love quotes, so here's one from George Carlin: Never put off 'til tomorrow, what you can put off 'til the next day! lol

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Formula 149 - Cell #358
« Reply #160 on: December 02, 2014, 05:31:48 PM »
I forgot to mention this before. Those cells when super dry (F149) will present a very small micro current, BUT when open they will still present a voltage of +/- 1 volt. The reason the current is so small even with a substantial voltage is because the INTERNAL RESISTANCE of the cell is huge. I think this is one of the reasons Bedini kept saying to "lock the water in" using a hydrate of sorts. I am in a kind of agreement with him.

Now, too much water will cause the "diode layer" (the oxide layers) to deteriorate and allow the metals to decay with time. Too little water resistance is too high. There is a medium where it is just perfect. The hydrates are lacking in this formula, but not on my most recent formulas. But for now lets keep simple and use this very successful formula F149. This cell structure I proposed (see the video) does not have the hydrates so I have to find a different mechanism to hold the water in the right quantity (still working on that substantially - another reason I need more people working on this with tests). In this cell the medium is the PAPER. It will become a very strong and hard crystal structure which is the reason why "paper kitchen towel", it is porous and water absorbent. 

So, I cut the paper to the size of the Magnesium rod's length, apply the formula to the closest of the surface of the Magnesium and roll the
 paper. When applying FC62 (zapping) I kept adding Epson solution so that the outside perimeter of the paper which is the one closer to the
 copper will be MORE SATURATED of CRYSTALS than the inner perimeter where the Magnesium is present and more saturated of MnO2. I
know this is all rough tentative to accomplish something accordingly with my theory, but it is all I got with my ultra limited resources and
no lab.

The sizzling being fast will dry up the cell as quick as I can to allow faster crystallization, evaporation of water and still maintain the majority of the "designed geometric distribution of chemicals" in place and form the "diode layers". Unfortunately that decreases the repeatability of the experiments. Hey, this is research  ;) .

F149 formula is:

- 2 parts Epson volume
- 1 parts Carbon Activated volume
- 1 parts MnO2 volume.
Fausto, I cooked up one of these, but I think the electrolyte was too thin... it took a long time to cook. I'll post a video when it's done.
Quick question... I have a lot of space since the water boiled out... should I fill it with some activated carbon, or leave it empty? -t
PS - I corrected your parts... always use the least common denominator, so that instead of 3 and 6 parts, you show 1 and 2 parts.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #161 on: December 02, 2014, 05:50:20 PM »
I was thinking about, how to create a test that will empirically show the benefits of the FC62 (Zapping)?


Take 2 pieces of Copper wire. Use one of those in place of the Magnesium ribbon. Build 2 cells, one apply the zapping and the other one don't. Connect meters into the cell (volt/amp) and observe.


Add different mixes of solutions, Epson, Alum, Both, only water and so on. Observe the meters.


You will see that the cell with the zapping will have a much higher voltage/current (although in milli-volts) than the one NOT ZAPPED.


I have NOW being doing this kind of experiments with all sorts of metals and because of the results created the formula F223-2-P, which was the initial intent of this thread, BUT now I see that it is indeed necessary to start from a good beginning before going to a much farther level of progress but even farther from a hands-on-product. This formula F134 with cell 149 (or F149 as I call it) is a good way to have a running cell that lights an LED. Three of those cells SHOULD light an LED without a JT for sure. Another reason I put them together, although, it is less of a more precise test.


You will be surprise how can electrodes of the exact same metal can create a difference of potential consistently. Geometry is the first reason, in our case, the Zapping is the second reason.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #162 on: December 02, 2014, 06:01:29 PM »
I do like feed spoon people but it will depend on the context.


When I used to work as a software engineer I would spoon feed every member of my team. Then later a new CTO hated it. He wanted those being fed fired and hire more already fed developers. He fail to see that my technique created a much better product at mid to long term.


Obviously this CTO came to "rescue" the company since he, by empirically showing his actions (philosophy), was more interested in short term results at the cost of higher turn around than counting that a "tomorrow" will be available to the company, in other words, the company may not have tomorrow as so bad it is it's financial situation.



Off course the CTO/CFO/CEO knew all that but better let no one (employees) know that.


Concerning this forum I AM spoon feeding everyone already but as I see more people coming and some being experienced, like Teo (great work dude), I will by context implement that technique as the need arises.
 


Fausto.


ps: thanks Teo for spoon feeding me on the JTs too.  ;D

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358
« Reply #163 on: December 02, 2014, 06:14:19 PM »
Fausto, I cooked up one of these, but I think the electrolyte was too thin... it took a long time to cook. I'll post a video when it's done.
Quick question... I have a lot of space since the water boiled out... should I fill it with some activated carbon, or leave it empty? -t
PS - I corrected your parts... always use the least common denominator, so that instead of 3 and 6 parts, you show 1 and 2 parts.


I don't understand the "too long time to cook". I built those Mg ribbons with Copper wire around and it took about 20 seconds to cook. My formula is very thin indeed. I want the smallest quantity possible for the same result.


And yes, the smallest common denominator is better. I said 6 and 3 for 50 ml so that one can have enough for 50 cells.


Don't fill the space at all. That space will be where the EPSON SOLUTION will settle and grow the crystals and "breath". Those techniques are not perfect but they work.


Fausto.

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358
« Reply #164 on: December 02, 2014, 06:34:17 PM »
I don't understand the "too long time to cook". I built those Mg ribbons with Copper wire around and it took about 20 seconds to cook. My formula is very thin indeed. I want the smallest quantity possible for the same result. Don't fill the space at all. That space will be where the EPSON SOLUTION will settle and grow the crystals and "breath". Those techniques are not perfect but they work. Fausto.
I cooked it for about 10 minutes total. I had filled it to the brim with liquid, so that was my mistake. Next time I will just wet the coffee filter and leave it at that. I will add some hydrate #5 in my next mix, as in...

- 2 parts Epson volume
- 1 parts Carbon Activated volume
- 1 part MnO2 volume
- 1 part hydrate #5

This video is still compiling... it's only 9 minutes, but it takes about 10 minutes to compile just 1 minute of video with my current set up. I have been working on and off with video production for over 30 years, and I can tell you that all these upgrades to operating systems and the video editing software are really downgrades. At the industry's peak back in the early 2000's with much slower computers, video used to compile at the rate of 1 minute per 1 minute... I hate those that force these downgrades on us regularly... my video editing software reaches out and pulls ads for new "upgrades" - rat bastards!!!!

 

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