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Author Topic: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter  (Read 135127 times)

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #135 on: November 30, 2014, 07:59:55 PM »
if you could build a 344 with the paper I mention but FC62 (the charge), would be wonderful. I want to see if your process build will be similar to the results
I posted my next build plans earlier. There are differences including use of a borax/water rinse on the mag strips and coffee filter cover. I will build 2 at the same time - one with a charge of about 30 seconds - one with a charge of about a 1 second - just a tap. I am working on some wooden shelves for single cells and circuits at the moment. I built 2 shelves this morning, but if they work out, I will build several more shelves and just hang them around the house as I build these things. I like these as little nightlights! I don't have to turn the main room lights on when I wander around in the middle of the night!! Ill post a video these stands and builds when I am done.

In the meantime, have you made any progress on your formula? I think the one I used for 344-345 is over a year old. When I get the shelf thing down, I am probably going to build 8-10 of these all at once just to see how long it takes.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #135 on: November 30, 2014, 07:59:55 PM »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #136 on: November 30, 2014, 10:51:54 PM »
I posted my next build plans earlier. There are differences including use of a borax/water rinse on the mag strips and coffee filter cover. I will build 2 at the same time - one with a charge of about 30 seconds - one with a charge of about a 1 second - just a tap. I am working on some wooden shelves for single cells and circuits at the moment. I built 2 shelves this morning, but if they work out, I will build several more shelves and just hang them around the house as I build these things. I like these as little nightlights! I don't have to turn the main room lights on when I wander around in the middle of the night!! Ill post a video these stands and builds when I am done.

In the meantime, have you made any progress on your formula? I think the one I used for 344-345 is over a year old. When I get the shelf thing down, I am probably going to build 8-10 of these all at once just to see how long it takes.


Great man, great work.


This formula IS old but it is very important and it is working very well. Don't worry about more of my formulas since this one is ONE i think can be used and replicated by others easily.


I have been testing extensively with the Mg strips again more in line with what you've done so that I also have a baseline based on your tests.


I am also replicating extensively the "super 149" so that ANYONE can replicate and have a very lasting cell. How long it will last??? I have no idea, but it will for a very long time. Specially if adding a drop of water every month. I am NOT ADDING water but I can see if she dies water will also work in very small quantities.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #137 on: November 30, 2014, 10:56:57 PM »
I have a very important question that an engineer could answer please:


- Can we have a circuit with very high resistance and very high conductivity?


- Can we have a circuit with very low resistance and low conductivity?


I know that V = I x R and if resistance goes higher so it will voltage BUT if conductivity is high, which is current very high, than voltage should be even higher. Now, if Resistance is very high and voltage is very high also, current tend to be small.


I also know that one variable changing will by consequence change the other variables. So it would not be possible to have high resistance and high current, they are reciprocals of each other, right?


Increasing Voltage increases current. Increasing Resistance decreases current. Increasing current decreases voltage.


So there is the paradox for my 2 questions above.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #137 on: November 30, 2014, 10:56:57 PM »
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« Reply #138 on: November 30, 2014, 11:03:09 PM »
I have had 345 hooked up to my 3F JT circuit all day and the extra 3F cap seems to bounce the charge around... It was showing 765 mV under load. I just disconnected it and checked the mA reading and it showed 73+ mA and it held there... the voltage climbed very slowly to 1454 after about 7 minutes. It's basically an alum cell now, but it has some interesting properties like taking a charge. We'll see how long it works without watering.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #139 on: December 01, 2014, 02:46:49 AM »
Here are 3 cells using f133(not 134 on pic).
2 strips of magnesium per cell
The paper towel separater has the formula pasted on and allowed to dry then wrapped around the magnesium.
i usually only have 1 to 2 layers, but watching one of Fausto vids said something about more hotdog like ;)
these are wrapped 5 around.
2 cell read 300 ish millivolts /.2 micro amps
the other reads
40 milli volts/.2 micro amps, then when i switch over to volts it reads over 100 millivolts and starts dropping....strange..
These have been resting about 5 days since the "Fausto Sizzle",but i can only so 30 Volts DC...
I will be making more but I have Questions at this point....
1 Is the "Fausto Sizzle" at 30volts DC Work? what water to Epsom mix for this part?
2 Wraps of paper towel/with mix  around magnesium recommendation
3 recommendation to activate.. once again Epsom to water ratio.
Thanks..


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« Last Edit: December 01, 2014, 06:13:50 PM by plengo »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #140 on: December 01, 2014, 08:35:32 AM »
Yikes sorry about the huge pics they where so small when editing...
I now have Super Fausto 134 on sheets drying..
When giving f133 the f30v treatment a almost olive green came oozing out by the Magnesium, the pic doesnt show this :(
Anyone else see this?
 

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« Reply #141 on: December 01, 2014, 12:48:02 PM »
These are holding up...
#354 is at 1065 mV under load
#355 is at 782 mV under load. This one was unsealed, so it is drying out.
 - Opened it up and watered it, then resealed it. It's at 982 mV under load.
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Re: Crystal Battery #345 resurrection Status
« Reply #142 on: December 01, 2014, 01:16:33 PM »
converted to an alum water-as-fuel cell.
BackRoom Labs on YouTube had me check the alum I was using in the corrosion test. It turns out I accidentally bought the wrong type of alum.
I used the ammonium type. They were out of McCormick on the spice shelf and I bought Sauter's brand instead, which is clearly marked
ammonium alum... oops! lol - I bet the 4 feet of mag strips in cell #345 will be liquid by the end of the week! lol

I plan to build more cells and give them a ZAP today. I'll post something when that is done.

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« Reply #143 on: December 01, 2014, 02:59:41 PM »
#352 is 1014 mV under load. Built Nov. 23, 2014
#353 is at 1050 mV under load. Built Nov. 25, 2014

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #144 on: December 01, 2014, 04:15:31 PM »
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40 milli volts/.2 micro amps, then when i switch over to volts it reads over 100 millivolts and starts dropping....strange..These have been resting about 5 days since the "Fausto Sizzle",but i can only so 30 Volts DC...I will be making more but I have Questions at this point....1 Is the "Fausto Sizzle" at 30volts DC Work? what water to Epsom mix for this part?2 Wraps of paper towel/with mix  around magnesium recommendation3 recommendation to activate.. once again Epsom to water ratio.Thanks...


The reason for the change in voltage when you change the volt meter is that different scales has different impedance mode and therefore the cell adjust itself to that load. Those are CURRENT SOURCE cells not voltage source. They are VERY sensitive to the load and tend to minimize the output power given for that particular load up to a level where it finds the "middle point".


answers:


1 - 30 Volts will be OK
2 - You said about 5. By the picture I would triple it.
3 - All Epson solutions are 3 1/8 tsp for 50 ml distilled water.

Concerning the "super fausto", oh my goodness ( ;D   ) change it to "looser fausto".


Btw, welcome.

Fausto.
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #145 on: December 01, 2014, 06:19:28 PM »
@ Teo,


I have an inconvenient request , if possible. Could you list in one post each cell that you created from 350 and up what is the cell made and the zapping or not? I am updating the spread sheet with those info and going through all the post is becoming confusing.


Fausto.


ps: I changed a few posts ago and removed one for clarity only. (Mostly because of my mistakes).

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #146 on: December 01, 2014, 06:42:10 PM »
I forgot to mention this before. Those cells when super dry (F149 = Formula 149) will present a very small micro current BUT when open they will still present a voltage of +/- 1 volt.


The reason the current is so small even with a substantial voltage is because the INTERNAL RESISTANCE of the cell is huge. I think this is one of the reasons Bedini kept saying to "lock the water in" using a hydrate of sorts.


I am in a kind of agreement with him.


Here is my theory to may be, may be, help others in my monkey science. The electrodes will naturally create the potential difference. On a liquid that creates the "ions" (electrolyte) they will move and therefore causes the current and also the transportation of the ions from one plate to the other and cause the REDOX/OXYGENATION/CORROSION.


The oxide layers formed by my "zaping" (i name it FC62 for short) will avoid the "ions" to move to the point of "penetrating" the metals and "corroding" them. This is also Bedinis theory so far (if I am not wrong). Bedini uses a torch to form the "cupric" over the Copper only and he call it a "diode layer".


Now, too much water will cause the "diode layer" (the oxide layers) to deteriorate and allow the metals to decay with time. Too little water resistance is too high. There is a medium where it is just perfect. Some of the components in my formula are designed (by pure monkey excessive testing) to reduce that internal resistance by sheer ability of conducting electrons but not ions, such as the Carbon. Unfortunately Carbon with Magnesium will chew it up like candy on kids mouth. So another element to be balanced.


The hydrates are lacking in this formula but not on my most recent formulas. But for now lets keep simple and use this very successful formula F149.


This cell structure I proposed (see the video) does not have the hydrates so I have to find a different mechanism to hold the water in the right quantity (still working on that substantially - another reason I need more people working on this with tests). In this cell the medium is the PAPER. It will become a very strong and hard crystal structure which is the reason why "paper kitchen towel", it is porous and water absorbent. 


So, I cut the paper to the size of the Magnesium rod's length, apply the formula to the closest of the surface of the Magnesium and roll the paper. When applying FC62 (zapping) I kept adding Epson solution so that the outside perimeter of the paper which is the one closer to the copper will be MORE SATURATED of CRYSTALS than the inner perimeter where the Magnesium is present and more saturated of MnO2.


I know this is all rough tentative to accomplish something accordingly with my theory, but it is all I got with my ultra limited resources and no lab.


The sizzling being fast will dry up the cell as quick as I can to allow faster crystallization, evaporation of water and still maintain the majority of the "designed geometric distribution of chemicals" in place and form the "diode layers". Unfortunately that decreases the repeatability of the experiments. Hey, this is research  ;) .




F149 formula is:

- 6 parts Epson volume
- 3 parts Carbon Activated volume
- 3 parts MnO2 volume.


All volume not grams.


Fausto.








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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #147 on: December 01, 2014, 07:27:34 PM »
@ Teo, I have an inconvenient request , if possible. Could you list in one post each cell that you created from 350 and up what is the cell made and the zapping or not? I am updating the spread sheet with those info and going through all the post is becoming confusing. Fausto.
ps: I changed a few posts ago and removed one for clarity only. (Mostly because of my mistakes).
No zapping for any of these:
Crystal Battery #351 - Nov. 22, 2014 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UChgvI68y5M
Crystal Battery #352 - Nov. 23, 2014 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MubBsGGtxk
Crystal Battery #353 - Nov. 25, 2014 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPi8fkn1qFA
Crystal Battery #354 - Nov. 26, 2014* - thick peanut butter consistency - spooned in
Crystal Battery #355 - Nov. 27, 2014* - watery - poured in

*New Formula and proportions:
12 parts activated carbon
6 parts Epsom salt
2 parts hydrate #5
2 parts MnO2
1 parts borax

Things I learned from these cells and other experiments in the last week:
1. learned from cell 251 - PVC pipe build - all types of plastic are porous, which is why I think this cell is drying up.
    Also, copper pipe has more copper, so that seems to work better and it doesn't breath.
2. I can't tape copper onto the mag strips. It leaves a bad connection and is harder to seal the top of the cell.
    I will solder an alligator clip onto negative end of the JT circuit and just clip it on. This also allows me to easily
    intercept the current flow for a mA draw test.
3. Caulk is much easier to work with than epoxy or fiberglass when it comes to sealing up these cells. It is also easier
    to take apart later in case I want to inspect or rebuild these cells.
4. I am not sure if 352 (powder mix) or 354 (peanut butter consistency mix) is better. I am leaning toward the later.
5. Soaking in Borax (boron) will leave a black/gray oxide layer on the magnesium strip, which may be a good thing
    to do prior to building the cell.
6. It doesn't take much Epsom salt to activate these cells, so the proportions can be relatively small.
7. It's easy to get the types of alum mixed up (corrosion test was with the wrong type of alum and gobbled up my
    magnesium in less than 2 days! lol)
8. It takes me about: 10 minutes to build a cell; 20 minutes to build a JT circuit; 5 minutes to assemble a little
    combo shelf out of wood for the JT and cell, and 1 minute to hang it on the wall.... I need build quicker!

Teo
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #148 on: December 01, 2014, 07:44:43 PM »
status of 149. So far total running time is 1200 thousand seconds. From November 16 to December 1, 2014 (born in March 10 2013 - died in June 2013, reactivated in November 2014).


Temperature of lab has changed dramatically between 25 to 18 Celsius.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #149 on: December 01, 2014, 07:47:58 PM »
status of 149.
That looks like 2 cells in series.
Is that under load?
 - If so, what is the mA reading (power draw) under load? (This translates to the load)
Also, what is the mA reading shorted?
Thanks! -t
Note that these are basic questions nobody building these things really addresses, except me... not sure why...

 

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