Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

User Menu

A-Ads

Powerbox

Smartbox

3D Solar

3D Solar Panels

DC2DC converter

Micro JouleThief

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Products

WaterMotor kit

Statistics

  • *Total Members: 83643
  • *Latest: pubbys

  • *Total Posts: 514897
  • *Total Topics: 15358
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 5
  • *Guests: 18
  • *Total: 23

Author Topic: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter  (Read 135447 times)

Offline plengo

  • Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 962
Re: black oxide
« Reply #120 on: November 29, 2014, 06:06:05 PM »
I would like to determine what the black formation over the mag strip is in my corrosion experiment with borax. Do you think that is black oxide? It turns gray when dried and shows ZERO connectivity when testing with a 1K ohm tester. It took less than a day to form on the mag strip. I wonder if a quick wash with a borax/water solution on the copper and mag strips would accomplish the same thing... I don't want to expend too much energy on a small cell, which would make these cells nonviable.

A little charging at low amperage to form the crystals makes sense, but the amount of energy necessary to form that black oxide layer on the copper makes it nonviable in my opinion. Also, that process results in a variable outcome and could only be replicated consistently and efficiently in a lab with 10's of thousands of dollars worth of equipment... or much more...

I have checked into the cost of owning and operating machines to make transistors and capacitors... it would cost close to a million dollars to buy and house either (not both), plus there would be costs associated with materials and labor... this is not for me... it's not good to create a process that is not easily replicatable, even at the cost of output. If someone can create a battery and circuit for a nightlight that runs for a month or more (for instance) for less than $1 and rebuild the battery for a few cents, or water just the battery, then that would be, in my opinion, a viable nightlight project for people (like me) that like to make their own toys! lol

So, I will push toward this goal. I don't mind passing a little voltage through the battery, but you saw the 47 minute mess I made with the soup mix (#344)... that's not going to work for me... maybe a short charge or a simple coating of chemicals to get the same effect.

NOTE: you can buy black oxide online and maybe just mixing it with some borax and a quick rinse on the copper would accomplish the same thing. If this works, we have no use of energy to get the same effect. Have you tried this? I would rather limit my viability calculations to just cost of materials instead of adding energy usage and joule math into the calculations... if possible.


great info Teo that you are providing.


I agree with you on the cost of THIS cell so far which is not profitable. That's why this is still in early infancy of research. I only envision this process now as a learning process so LATER we will make easier and cheaper. Just like the first hard-drive when it was invented, the size of a brick wall.


I don't use that much of energy like you did in your 344 cell. You used TOO MUCH material for it. In my case it only takes about 1 minute or less using the Mg strips. Really quick and the total of the chemicals is only 6 tsp of Epson (for example) to form about 50 cells. That IS CHEAP.


That mush cell is not what I want, too much material, too long and no space for the crystal to grow let alone to breath. That's why I am asking to create another one with the towel paper around the Mg and one continuous peace coming out of the mix so that you can "activate" the cell later, after it totally dried, with Epson solution from outside and slowly the solution will penetrate the cell which is inside the solid mix.


I am in total sync with the idea of using "already formed" chemicals for the cell and that's what I meant by "nano scale", directly to the formed chemical which can be deposed over the metals at a much faster and cheaper process without needing any complicated and expensive machines. Small labs would easily do it.


My FC62 process was an experiment in forming those oxide layer at a very simple process and replicable by anyone. Bedini for example uses the torch to form the Cu oxide (cupric), I don't like that process much, besides that only forms ONE oxide, mine forms 2. Two rabbits for one swing.


Please, really try the geometry I am proposing. The cells you are creating with solid mixes (just like IBpointless) is cool for testing a few things but FAR from what the crystal cell is really about. It is about the CRYSTAL growing not chemical reactions. Those big mesh of solid mix will not work at all.


BTW, on the video of MnO2 with H2O2 you see the by product of O2, now imagine if this is the OUTPUT or by product of this cell!!! Makes you think a little bit.


Fausto.




Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: black oxide
« Reply #120 on: November 29, 2014, 06:06:05 PM »

Offline tgraca

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
    • Off The Grid Solar .  Net
#352 Status
« Reply #121 on: November 29, 2014, 06:19:02 PM »
That mush cell is not what I want, too much material, and no space for the crystal to grow let alone to breath.
Today: 985 mV under load... if you remember, this is the one I created 6 days ago with a lot of air left inside. It seems to be doing well.

Offline tgraca

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
    • Off The Grid Solar .  Net
Re: New Build #355 Status
« Reply #122 on: November 29, 2014, 06:28:41 PM »
970 mV under load today. I may have not let it recover after the short mA test....
This one was showing 887 mV, but when I moved it, it lost the cathode connection - the copper wrapped around the mag strips... so I opened up the end and tied it up better. It's showing 1088 mV now... I turned it upside down to see if any of the liquid electrolyte dripped out, and there was none. I am guessing it's dries up and crystallized now. I'll leave the end open to the air and see what happens.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: New Build #355 Status
« Reply #122 on: November 29, 2014, 06:28:41 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline tgraca

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
    • Off The Grid Solar .  Net
Re: black oxide
« Reply #123 on: November 29, 2014, 06:53:46 PM »
BTW, on the video of MnO2 with H2O2 you see the by product of O2, now imagine if this is the OUTPUT or by product of this cell!!! Makes you think a little bit.
I just tried some easy-to-get 3% H2O2, so copper wire, then added about 1/4 tsp of MnO2... there were some bubbles and just a little bit of warmth. The result is that the copper looks really shiny now, so I am guessing it just cleaned it. I threw some activated carbon in... nothing... added some Epsom salt, a small piece of mag strip and more MnO2... more bubbles...  after 10 minutes, no real changes to the mag strip or copper.

Offline plengo

  • Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 962
Re: black oxide
« Reply #124 on: November 29, 2014, 08:19:42 PM »
I just tried some easy-to-get 3% H2O2, so copper wire, then added about 1/4 tsp of MnO2... there were some bubbles and just a little bit of warmth. The result is that the copper looks really shiny now, so I am guessing it just cleaned it. I threw some activated carbon in... nothing... added some Epsom salt, a small piece of mag strip and more MnO2... more bubbles...  after 10 minutes, no real changes to the mag strip or copper.


I did the same and same results. FC62 really creates something unique that just the chemical reactions did not. Figures.


Fausto.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: black oxide
« Reply #124 on: November 29, 2014, 08:19:42 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline tgraca

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
    • Off The Grid Solar .  Net
Re: New Build #354 Status - cooked cell
« Reply #125 on: November 29, 2014, 08:33:15 PM »
Today - 1080 mV under load.
Today - 1083 mV under load. - having connection issues with the cathode - copper taped onto mag strips.... may have to remove copper and solder alligator clip to JT to attach to mag. from now on.

Offline tgraca

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
    • Off The Grid Solar .  Net
Re: Crystal Battery #351
« Reply #126 on: November 29, 2014, 08:34:26 PM »
Today's mV reading under load - still 731
Today's mV reading under load - 715

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Crystal Battery #351
« Reply #126 on: November 29, 2014, 08:34:26 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline tgraca

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
    • Off The Grid Solar .  Net
Re: Crystal Battery #353
« Reply #127 on: November 29, 2014, 08:45:53 PM »
Today - 1054 mV under load.
Today - 1084 mV under load. I think yesterday's reading is an ongoing issue with my technique of taping the cathode connection - copper taped onto the mag strip.

Offline tgraca

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
    • Off The Grid Solar .  Net
Re: Crystal Batteries #'s 344 Status RIP....
« Reply #128 on: November 29, 2014, 09:09:43 PM »
#344 was holding 632 mV under load and barely lighting the LED with the JT circuit. I checked the amp draw, which was 215 uA. I disconnected the JT and recharged it directly from the alum battery, which was at 9.36 volts and probably pushing lots of power... about 20 seconds. When I checked it again, it was showing 430 mV under load and no light. I checked the amp draw on the circuit and it was bouncing around from 36 uA to 280 uA... something very wrong now with this cell... I watered it and repeated the test... I got a little more power, but it quickly died again and was showing about the same results... it won't take a charge like this... The 345 alum rebuild seems to be working fine, so I may do that to this cell...

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Crystal Batteries #'s 344 Status RIP....
« Reply #128 on: November 29, 2014, 09:09:43 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline tgraca

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
    • Off The Grid Solar .  Net
Re: Crystal Battery #345 resurrection Status
« Reply #129 on: November 29, 2014, 09:30:04 PM »
showing 724 mV under load. Draw was 0.84 mA for the JT circuit. Disconnected JT and and got 1.67 V... shorted it and got over 6 mV initially then it did a slow drop starting around 5.56 mA... It's still a little wet from watering yesterday, but mostly dry... waited a couple minutes and reconnected the JT circuit with similar readings... 725 mV under load w/draw of 0.85 mA... wet the cell and after a couple minutes, it was pushing 935 mV with a draw of over 3 mA.... but dropping quickly... after 16 minutes, it seems to be holding around 1.15 mA and 754 mV

Offline tgraca

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
    • Off The Grid Solar .  Net
Re: Crystal Battery #345 resurrection Status
« Reply #130 on: November 30, 2014, 12:15:10 AM »
showing 724 mV under load. Draw was 0.84 mA for the JT circuit. Disconnected JT and and got 1.67 V... shorted it and got over 6 mV initially then it did a slow drop starting around 5.56 mA... It's still a little wet from watering yesterday, but mostly dry... waited a couple minutes and reconnected the JT circuit with similar readings... 725 mV under load w/draw of 0.85 mA... wet the cell and after a couple minutes, it was pushing 935 mV with a draw of over 3 mA.... but dropping quickly... after 16 minutes, it seems to be holding around 1.15 mA and 754 mV
I shorted it again, and it was up over 20 mV... I am ready to trash a bunch of my glue cells, which were powering 2 blinker circuits... they needed to be watered more than once per day.... this one and #344, when I convert it to alum, will be able to power them hopefully for over a day without watering. I may clean out my old wood-box cells from April and rebuild them like this too for a couple more blinker circuits. They were cooked Rochelle and Epsom salt (bedini idea) and the coiled mag. strips are broken in many places and hard to grab with an alligator clip, but they will run for 3 days per watering... hmmm... I have 4 boxes.... hate to waste them, so I won't...

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Crystal Battery #345 resurrection Status
« Reply #130 on: November 30, 2014, 12:15:10 AM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline plengo

  • Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 962
Re: Crystal Battery #345 resurrection Status
« Reply #131 on: November 30, 2014, 07:15:21 PM »
his one and #344, when I convert it to alum[/size]


What do you mean by "convert it"?


Btw, it is just like that with the 344, it will eventually not take a charge neither run anymore with more water or Epson solution. That IS GREAT. She is getting to the point where I call it "dormant".


This is what happened to my current super running cell around april 2013. It became dormant and I thought she was dead and I sent to her cemetery. Three weeks ago I added a little bit of Epson solution and she became SUPER ALIVE. So don't throw away that 344, save her.


Were you able to create a 344 with paper around and leaving a strip of the paper out so later can add Epson solution?

Fausto.

Offline tgraca

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
    • Off The Grid Solar .  Net
Re: Crystal Battery #345 resurrection Status
« Reply #132 on: November 30, 2014, 07:22:45 PM »
What do you mean by "convert it"?
Were you able to create a 344 with paper around and leaving a strip of the paper out so later can add Epson solution?
re: 344 - convert it = I am planning to bore out most of the electrolyte and convert it to an alum water-as-fuel cell.
re: create a 344 with paper around = check out the builds for 351-355 - they are similar, but no charge added...

I am currently working on building a small lab for testing various JT configurations quickly for a new type of LED I acquired. See my notes on a previous post here. Math only works to a point for me... small variations affect performance greatly....

Offline tgraca

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 244
    • Off The Grid Solar .  Net
Re: Crystal Battery #345 resurrection Status
« Reply #133 on: November 30, 2014, 07:31:02 PM »
I hooked this resurrected #345 up to the JT circuit design I sent Fausto with the 3F cap across the input. Once the cap was charged, which took several hours, it was only drawing about 0.5 mA from the cell and has been maintaining 750-790 mV under load. It is currently at 782 mV. It's a blinker circuit and I think the slow bright pulses help recharge this battery. I have been using this circuit with other very weak ibpointless2 cells for months successfully. See http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/JT2c.png

Offline plengo

  • Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 962
Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #134 on: November 30, 2014, 07:43:47 PM »
if you could build a 344 with the paper I mention but FC62 (the charge), would be wonderful. I want to see if your process build will be similar to the results I have with my (let's call it) "super 149".


I know about the 351-355[/size]  [/size]But they are missing the FC62.[/size]

[/size]
Fausto.[/size]

 

OneLink