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Author Topic: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter  (Read 135819 times)

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Re: Fausto Formula F134 - Builds 344-345 - Day 2
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2014, 11:35:16 AM »
Tx, it is dying as I expected. - Fausto.

Bedini favored hydrate #5, which I acquired earlier this year form my lead alum batteries. I still have some Sodium metasilicate pentahydrate. Do you think a pinch of this in the mix would help in future builds? -t

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Re: Fausto Formula F134 - Builds 344-345 - Day 2
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2014, 11:35:16 AM »

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Re: Fausto Formula F134 - Builds 344-345 - Day 2
« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2014, 03:04:16 PM »
Bedini favored hydrate #5, which I acquired earlier this year form my lead alum batteries. I still have some Sodium metasilicate pentahydrate. Do you think a pinch of this in the mix would help in future builds? -t


I think so, yes. I have been using this element since 2012, it is today part of my latest formula.


Concerning the other Bedini formula and process using MnO3, I know that. I have been following his stuff from Energetic Forum since the beginning. I am not following that way of building because I DO have a BETTER method and cheaper and much more efficient.


He does things in a "rude and crude" manner so that he can quickly learn and then later he improves to small scale.


My goal in having you replicate WELL F134 is to lead to the next step that WILL CREATE A LASTING CELL. Which I do have a few.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2014, 03:33:30 PM »
I just went through all my notes on the crystal cells from the energy science forum, Bedini's "new home" after he left the energetic forum... In summary, his goal was a fuel cell that runs on water. Your goal is a dry cell. Bedini's cells all ate the magnesium. Your's don't. So yes, I think you are definitely onto something. I have long term experiment I am going to initiate today, which should prove interesting and helpful. I'll share it after I get it started. -t

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2014, 03:33:30 PM »
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Testing Corrosive Effects Of Electrolytes On Magnesium
« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2014, 06:27:51 PM »
I set up a long term test to determine the Corrosive Effects Of Electrolytes On Magnesium with 5 different electrolytes I have successfully used with magnesium and copper. I am testing alum, rochelle salt, Epsom salt, soda wash and borax in small containers of purified water with 1/4 of a teaspoon of each along with a small piece of magnesium in each container. I'll report back regularly to show which ones corrode fastest. Using one of these to help keep the magnesium from corroding would help in our quest here. So far in my experiments, I am favoring Borax, but it does limit the power of crystal cells to some extent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e1_d5kCh7Q

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Re: Testing Corrosive Effects Of Electrolytes On Magnesium
« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2014, 06:42:42 PM »
I set up a long term test to determine the Corrosive Effects Of Electrolytes On Magnesium with 5 different electrolytes I have successfully used with magnesium and copper. I am testing alum, rochelle salt, Epsom salt, soda wash and borax in small containers of purified water with 1/4 of a teaspoon of each along with a small piece of magnesium in each container. I'll report back regularly to show which ones corrode fastest. Using one of these to help keep the magnesium from corroding would help in our quest here. So far in my experiments, I am favoring Borax, but it does limit the power of crystal cells to some extent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e1_d5kCh7Q


Excellent. Would you ALSO do the exact same test with ONLY Copper inside and another exact same with BOTH inside, Copper and Magnesium? This way we will also see the results of each metal and the combination of the two.


Epson is excellent with the con that reduces the output by increasing substantially the resistance, but it is also a great crystal. Alum is an excellent crystal but will eat Magnesium like hot knife on butter.


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Re: Testing Corrosive Effects Of Electrolytes On Magnesium
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Electrolyte Testing... with Mag Strips...
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2014, 06:51:25 PM »
I am out of little containers, otherwise, I would have tested a few more electrolytes. My experience is that none of these electrolytes significantly eats copper, if that is worth anything to you. This is why I don't bother with the cooking of the copper to create the black copper semiconductor. I have tried cooking the copper, but it doesn't add anything to the electrical output, so I deem it unnecessary. I think the real challenge is to keep the magnesium from getting eaten. Epsom seems to eat it faster than alum. I expect significant deterioration within a day or 2 from the Epsom. We'll see with the alum. The borax tends to solidify around the electrode and then keep any power from passing through, so this is a problem... I'll report back on this daily. -t

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Status on Cells 344/345 Tests Day 3
« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2014, 07:22:55 PM »
Cooked cell #344 shows 920 mV
Uncooked cell #345 777 mV
They are dying faster than my crystal fuel cells after watering with no additional water added for 3 days... I am sure the problem is my poor replication of F134, but it's still interesting to see the difference between the 2 builds.

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Status on Cells 344/345 Tests Day 3
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Re: Status on Cells 344/345 Tests Day 3
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2014, 10:48:50 PM »
Cooked cell #344 shows 920 mV
Uncooked cell #345 777 mV
They are dying faster than my crystal fuel cells after watering with no additional water added for 3 days... I am sure the problem is my poor replication of F134, but it's still interesting to see the difference between the 2 builds.


thanks for the update. So 344 went up? On your last video it was 800 something so it is going UP? Are you putting water on it?? it should not.


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Crystal Battery #351 Test - Day 1
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Re: Status on Cells 344/345 Tests Day 3
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2014, 11:44:46 PM »
thanks for the update. So 344 went up? On your last video it was 800 something so it is going UP? Are you putting water on it?? it should not. - Fausto.
Both cells are down from day 1 to day 2.
Day 3 at just after noon...
Cooked cell #344 shows 920 mV
Uncooked cell #345 777 mV
5 hours later (now)
Cooked cell #344 shows 934 mV
Uncooked cell #345 754 mV

I did not water these cells... they are just on the shelf and I pull them down for testing... no shorting either... #344 is going up... not sure what this means... interesting...

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Re: Status on Cells 344/345 Tests Day 3
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2014, 11:48:14 PM »
#344 is going up... not sure what this means... interesting...
I have a barometer in my office and noticed something that may be causing this... It has been very dry in my office... less than 15% humidity, but it was warm today and I opened the window... it's showing 21% humidity at the moment, so maybe the cell is drawing humidity from the air... -t

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Re: Status on Cells 344/345 Tests Day 3
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#345 Died - uncooked
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2014, 09:34:57 AM »
Less than 4 days old, #345 died. 608 mV and 372 uA on short. It's interesting that the cell has been shorted out for a couple minutes and is still holding at around 366 uA. When setting back to the mV reading, it grew to 628 mV. I disconnected the JT and the voltage shows 1547 mV. On short, it is showing 418 uA. After 1 minute, it is showing 402 uA. I am debating whether to dissect it or water it... I'll do nothing for now, let it sit a while, and test it again in a few hours.

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#344 Status - cooked cell
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2014, 09:37:06 AM »
#344 is showing 921 mV. Barometer is showing 20% humidity.

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Re: #345 Died - uncooked
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2014, 10:17:08 AM »
Less than 4 days old, #345 died. 608 mV and 372 uA on short. It's interesting that the cell has been shorted out for a couple minutes and is still holding at around 366 uA. When setting back to the mV reading, it grew to 628 mV. I disconnected the JT and the voltage shows 1547 mV. On short, it is showing 418 uA. After 1 minute, it is showing 402 uA. I am debating whether to dissect it or water it... I'll do nothing for now, let it sit a while, and test it again in a few hours.
After 30+ minutes shorted, the cell is showing 335 uA. When disconnected, it built up to 1.58 volts quickly and settled at around 1.5 volts. I connected it to one of my low powered JT configurations and it lights that one fine. Not bright, but has a steady light and is drawing 180 uA. Under load, and showed 620 mV prior to hooking up the circuit. If anyone is interested, here's the configuration for the extra low powered JT circuit.

http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/JT_Test_Circuit2.png

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Re: #345 Died - uncooked
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2014, 12:12:06 PM »
I connected it to one of my low powered JT configurations and it lights that one fine. Not bright, but has a steady light and is drawing 180 uA.
Just checked it again and it's drawing 171 uA and we still have a steady light. At this rate, it will probably be dead enough to give up on it in about 6 hours...

 

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