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plengo:
Question to ALL:

Is it possible to have a battery with BOTH ELECTRODE METALS being the SAME METAL and produce constant output power?

For example positive is Aluminium and negative being Aluminium.

Fausto.

tgraca:
Glad to see you continuing your research. I went through the entire set up posts earlier this year for the energetic forum's bedini earth light thread - it took me a bit over 14 weeks. I intend to produce some more videos later this year (in Dec.) and I have some notes on your earlier formulas, which I tried. One included dried water glass.

I would be willing to replicate and test your formula, but only after I have shared what I have learned so far. I can't get the computer and the software set up here, but other than that, I can meet all your other criteria and make daily notes on performance manually.

Just for fun, here's a few of my experiments from earlier this year:

These are some aluminum / copper cells, which did ok for about 7 months, but I had to cut them open and water them again - they died. 6' of 17 AWG aluminum wire, 2' of 24 AWG copper wire and a 50/50 mix of soda wash and borax and some water. I am not sure how to get an image on here, so here's a link to the image.

http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/CopperAluminum.JPG

I also created 9 lead alum batteries per bedini's instructions. 2 with alum only and 7 using the final formula he showed on that thread, which was more complicated and the chemicals much harder to find, but I got them. The alum only seem to perform just as well, so if I created more, I would probably just use alum. For these motorcyle dry cell betteries, the mix was 3 cups alum and 3 cups of water per battery. These batteries will run a 2 mA load for months and a quick recharge using a solar panel with about 20 watts seems to make them stronger and longer lasting each time I charge them.

http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/LeadAlum.JPG

I built a bunch of SS SSG's just for recharging these alum batteries - this one was overkill.

http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/BediniSS_SSG-modified.png

The one I currently use is about 5x7 cm (built on a small circuit board) - tiny... The above has been disassembled and the parts recycled for other projects, but it's a cool picture!

So... I would love to participate, and will at least follow your progress. Thank you so much Fausto! You are an inspiration... at least to me!

Teo Graca

tgraca:

--- Quote from: plengo on November 02, 2014, 03:02:33 AM ---Question to ALL:

Is it possible to have a battery with BOTH ELECTRODE METALS being the SAME METAL and produce constant output power?

For example positive is Aluminium and negative being Aluminium.

Fausto.

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I have seen this done by others and done it myself, so yes. Any standard lead acid battery does this. Bedini charges his batteries to create a differential chemical on the plates... I think he calls this "priming" - but for small crystal batteries that aren't charged, I don't think this does well at all and it requires a difference in the amounts of metal used per pos/neg. There are a lot of aluminum capacitor experiments out there showing equal mass, but again, this requires charging. -teo

tgraca:

--- Quote from: plengo on November 02, 2014, 03:02:33 AM ---Is it possible to have a battery with BOTH ELECTRODE METALS being the SAME METAL and produce constant output power?
For example positive is Aluminium and negative being Aluminium.
Fausto.

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From my notes on DiveFlyFish - smaller cathode provides more power...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ilhypkTrU8

... but for copper and magnesium (and copper and aluminum), different materials than DiveFlyFish is working with, I have found that less copper provides more power... Interesting..

plengo:

--- Quote from: tgraca on November 04, 2014, 01:29:08 AM ---From my notes on DiveFlyFish - smaller cathode provides more power...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ilhypkTrU8

... but for copper and magnesium (and copper and aluminum), different materials than DiveFlyFish is working with, I have found that less copper provides more power... Interesting..

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I have been finding the same as you guys. Smaller is more voltage BUT the internal resistance is not the same. In the case of DeveFlyFish, I think the smaller graffite rod has much smaller resistance than the bigger one which would explain his data. When he measured the ohms of the rod one cannot count the reading simply because the ohm meter will not work when the battery is producing power. It is a wrong reading in that case.


Fausto.

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