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Offline skywatcher

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #360 on: November 12, 2019, 10:58:13 AM »
@plengo:

Thanks for sharing your information about making your cells.   :)

At least you are aware of the fact that most of the effects (maybe all ?  we don't know for sure) are galvanic.
This makes experimenting so tough because you need to do many experiments.
Experimenting (the 'Monkey'-component  ;) ) is important because new effects can only be found by experimenting.
But we also have to be realistic. The chance to find anything new is very low because there have been millions of experiments in the last 150 years.
Every battery manufacturer tries to improve his batteries, and they have professional equipment etc.

The ultimate test for 'galvanic or not' would be to calculate the maximum energy output for the case that any metal in the cell has been corroded away, and if your cell has delivered more than this amount of energy, it has to be something else. But if you get only microwatts this experiment would run for decades even with small cells.

Sometimes i hear 'the cell is completely dry so it can not be galvanic' which is complete nonsense because most of the salts which are used contain plenty of water, which can be seen if the salt is heated up and then the water comes out. If you boil out the water completely the cell will not show any significant voltage, but maybe it will slowly build up some voltage as it's absorbing some humidity from the air.

Yesterday i did a small experiment. I used a piece of PCB material (with 35 um copper) about 5x7 cm and a piece of aluminium of the same size. Between them i put some Rochelle salt, and a piece of glass fibre fabric (as spacer). Then i put it into the oven, with a weight on top to press it together, and i baked it at 230°C for 1 hr. After cooling down i measured the voltage and there was nothing. 0.00 mV. Also some time later, there was only 0.04 mV. Then i connected a 10 k resistor to both plates and waited for some time. I measured again and i saw some small increase of voltage. I removed the resistor and measured some 20 mV but it decreased rapidly. I connected the resistor again, waited some hours, then i measured almost 200 mV... interesting...

 But maybe that's the effect i described above: the cell is absorbing humidity from the air. Because the cell is flat the contact surface (electrolyte to air) is very small so this could take some time.


Unfortunately my time is limited so i have to set priorities, so i will not have time to do hundrets of experiments. But i will continue following this thread. Maybe some interesting effects will be found some day...

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #360 on: November 12, 2019, 10:58:13 AM »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #361 on: November 13, 2019, 03:49:17 AM »

Or may be it is indeed free energy those 200 mv. Can you amplify it?


I know there is more to it than just galvanic.


But you're right. Too small of energy. Almost useless, actually monetarily speaking it is a waste of time and money but I am doing because I love it and there nothing wrong with keeping the mind busy and learning new things and of course, having some beautiful lights around the house.


Fausto.

But maybe that's the effect i described above: the cell is absorbing humidity from the air. Because the cell is flat the contact surface (electrolyte to air) is very small so this could take some time.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #362 on: November 13, 2019, 07:18:50 AM »
Hello friends!
It is strange that the topic of obtaining energy from a neutrino flux is not present on the forum. Maybe I missed something? On the Internet, there is now a massive advertising campaign in this direction. These gentlemen promise to make Pi - electric car, that does not need to be charged.
I hope that the forum members from Germany could tell in more detail what is happening there.
October 8, 2019:
https://youtu.be/vTCNtI3DsQk?t=459

 and other info and resource:

https://neutrino-inside.com/#link2

https://neutrino-energy.com/scientific-advisory-board/

https://neutrino-wiki.com/

My current opinion is skeptical.
Neutrinos can pass through planets and stars and not interact with anything. How can they affect the thinnest graphene layer on the foil?

I think that this is closer to this forum topic, "Сrystall cell".
If someone thinks differently, it would be nice to create a separate topic on the forum for "neutrino energy"

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #362 on: November 13, 2019, 07:18:50 AM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #363 on: November 13, 2019, 11:00:28 AM »
https://peswiki.com/directory:water-powered-batteries
Really impressive : Larry Kostiuks 2 cm diameter tube : 1/2 Million channels = " tubes in a tube"


https://peswiki.com/directory:batteries
https://phys.org/news/2009-12-digital-quantum-battery-boost-energy.html  " nano vacuum tube"

There are some effects, disclosed in the last 10 years, in Angstroem-layer density relationships  !
For us,without nano-sphere measurement instruments and operating tools by hand,we are only - well equipped - lab visitors !

"billions of (nano- )capacitors" to "billions of ( nano-) MOSFET/capacitor circuits x operation velocity
- here not more pulses/Hz,but "f.l.o.p.s" velocity

floating point operation per second  https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_Point_Operations_Per_Second

      Quantum energy process : magnitude and plenitude


To understand lab prototyping in micro-/nano-scale and transducing this " Unikat production process " to mass production machinery :
by same" average" quality,  calculateable lifetime and endconsumer affordable production costs to market price
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/futuristic-high-density-m/
1 myW per circuit output x 1000 circuits work = 1 mW

                                             x 1000000 circuits work = 1 Watt 


                                             x 1000000000 circuits work = 1 KWatt

We had here somebody in the forum whose claimed to have such a solution : Hardcastle/"quenco"



1 nano-full integrated- circuit as nano-drop= " dot" as liquid ink and the 3d roll-/print-on-demand technology


https://www.greenoptimistic.com/thermopower-wave-mit-20100309/  carbon/graphene nano tubes/channel

https://peswiki.com/directory:paull:thermodynamics
matter infrared wave emission

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #364 on: November 13, 2019, 12:48:26 PM »
And what is with Neutrino?  ;D

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #365 on: November 13, 2019, 01:34:34 PM »
https://www.google.com/search?q=neutrino+falle+st+bernhard+massiv&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
https://www.spektrum.de/magazin/blick-in-eine-neutrino-falle/1516461"protoDune" as small neutrino trap version : 500 cube meters full with argon-gas
Cooling costs per month. ?  ???
This are such stupid and bad informed scientists, why they do not use a " neutrino energy foil" ,is it not, Sergh. ? ::) ;)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2d2h-SyPQqM
https://neutrino-wiki.de/
Upps(-ala),  a well known "Putzfrau/cleaning maid"-Affaere Prof. Dr.Guenther Krause as scientifical consultance  !
https://m.tagesspiegel.de/politik/casdorffs-agenda-guenther-krause-ist-ein-fall-tiefer-tragik/23684794.html
https://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20181217_OTS0005/energie-aus-neutrinos-ist-heute-messbare-realitaet
Somebody means unvisible radiation spectrum ~ neutrino ;D


Now in future Ex-"Infra red heater" gets the new commercial term  8) :

                                                    Neutrino- heater  :)
https://m.german.alibaba.com/goods/infrared-foil.html    2,5 US$/sqm "Neutrino-foil"from South-Korea  ::)


A wayback to " stupid science "- level  :P    :'( :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20181113&CC=DE&NR=202018004708U1&KC=U1#

http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=abstract-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=202018004708&SRCLANG=DE&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&TRGLANG=en 
                                           
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=202018004708&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #366 on: November 13, 2019, 02:38:51 PM »
This are such stupid and bad informed scientists, why they do not use a " neutrino energy foil" ,is it not, Sergh. ? ::) ;)
ich habe keine Ahnung in diese Richtung, aber..vielleicht etwas Neues aufgetaucht?I have no idea in that direction, but maybe something new has opened?
z.b.:
Coherent Recoil Detector


Quote
At low energies, a neutrino can scatter from the entire nucleus of an atom, rather than the individual nucleons, in a process known as "Coherent Neutral Current Neutrino-Nucleus Elastic Scattering".[10] This effect has been used to make an extremely small neutrino detector.[11][12][13] Unlike most other detection methods, coherent scattering does not depend on the flavor of the neutrino.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_detector

World’s smallest neutrino detector finds big physics fingerprint

https://www.ornl.gov/news/worlds-smallest-neutrino-detector-finds-big-physics-fingerprint

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #367 on: November 13, 2019, 03:11:31 PM »
   Guys:  8 years back I made dry crystal cells by filling an aluminum capacitor can with aquarium carbon, and used a carbon rod for the center electrode. That was by best cell. Why? because...
No electrolyte used, and sealed on top by epoxy, to keep the air out. This cell has run and run and run and run and run, and still runs. If I could only find it. It can also take in a charge, as well, but normally has about one volt at all times.   I used an oscillator  connected to a Tesla coil set up, powered by the cell. I was able to light an led wireless.
  The video was made by me, but was placed under my wife's name. YouTube uploading problems.   Please turn your volume all the way up to hear this better. 
   https://youtu.be/Xur_VChGdzE
« Last Edit: November 13, 2019, 09:12:18 PM by NickZ »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #368 on: November 13, 2019, 09:11:42 PM »
Hello friends!
It is strange that the topic of obtaining energy from a neutrino flux is not present on the forum. Maybe I missed something? On the Internet, there is now a massive advertising campaign in this direction. These gentlemen promise to make Pi - electric car, that does not need to be charged.
I hope that the forum members from Germany could tell in more detail what is happening there.
October 8, 2019:
https://youtu.be/vTCNtI3DsQk?t=459

I know Jo Conrad and i think he is honest enough to not participate in any hoax... which does not necessarily mean that it isn't a hoax.

Mr. Schubart was involved in some cases of fraud in the past. Which doesn't prove that this is also a fraud, but we have to be careful.
I would not recommend investing any money unless i could test this stuff myself.

I don't think it has something to do with neutrinos. Also Mr. Schubart seems to relativize his claim when he says in the video that the neutrino has an energy of 1 ev and 60 billion of them are going through one cm2 every second. It's easy to calculate that this could only give some microwatts per square meter, even if 100% of the neutrino energy could be converted. He also contradicts himself by saying that the foil can be stacked but if it would absorb 100% of the neutrino energy this would not be possible.

So we can be almost 100% sure that it's NOT neutrino energy. Maybe it's something different. Or it's simply a scam.


It it's a scam i would like to know how they faked it. Because operating a LED from a small piece of very thin foil is not so easy to do.

Here are some guys who are trying to replicate it, although with no success yet:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a628YkCa2fs

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #369 on: November 13, 2019, 09:21:08 PM »
   Guys:  8 years back I made dry crystal cells by filling an aluminum capacitor can with aquarium carbon, and used a carbon rod for the center electrode. That was by best cell. Why? because...
No electrolyte used, and sealed on top by epoxy, to keep the air out. This cell has run and run and run and run and run, and still runs. If I could only find it. It can also take in a charge, as well, but normally has about one volt at all times.   I used an oscillator  connected to a Tesla coil set up, powered by the cell. I was able to light an led wireless.
  The video was made by me, but was placed under my wife's name. YouTube uploading problems.   Please turn your volume all the way up to hear this better. 
   https://youtu.be/Xur_VChGdzE

No electrolyte ?  What's the material between the aluminium and the carbon rod ?  How did you make it ?

1V and several mA for more than 8 years sounds not too bad.   :)

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #370 on: November 14, 2019, 12:16:20 AM »
   NO electrlyte. Just air and sealed on top. The cells can be placed in series, for higher voltage.
Carbon does not oxidize, like metal does. Aluminum is cheap, or free.

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« Reply #371 on: November 14, 2019, 12:31:48 AM »
   NO electrlyte. Just air and sealed on top. The cells can be placed in series, for higher voltage.
Carbon does not oxidize, like metal does. Aluminum is cheap, or free.

So you took an aluminium can, filled it with aquarium coal (that's also called 'activated coal' ?), then stuck a carbon rod into it, and that's all ?
No other materials (except of the epoxy for sealing) ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium%E2%80%93air_battery

But an aluminium-air battery also uses electrolyte... so it's also a 100% galvanic cell.

BTW the aluminium is not free because the energy you get from it is the energy which has been used to produce the aluminium.
It's the reversal of the same chemical reaction.

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« Reply #372 on: November 14, 2019, 01:53:12 AM »
   Of course you can use an electrolyte, for higher output, as well as a higher break down of the aluminum/Mg used.   Aluminum was or at least has been free, for me. Activated carbon can be at bit expensive, but worth using.   It was all fun, at one time...

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« Reply #373 on: November 14, 2019, 06:46:07 AM »
Using like electrodes is one way to eliminate galvanic deterioration
This does not prevent oxidation in certain metals, and thus is not always the answer.


If the energy is coming from an outside source, due to physical properties
or is stored in the electrolyte itself,
Inert electrodes, (such as carbon rods used in the center of lead-acid batteries) are
the certain method to eliminate galvanic reactions as the source of potential.


outside radiation is almost inherently absorbed by spacing, or thickness of the layers.
as a multiple, equivalent, or fraction of specific wavelength(s).
in this manner, energy can enter into the cell and appear as potential on the terminals.
One such example is a non-polarized electrolytic capacitor
many of these are sized to available environmental radiation
and will “self charge” when placed across a high impedance


some electrolytes catalyze when a circuit is closed between the terminals.
These batteries are generally “chargeable”.
Supplying an electric potential across the terminals will reverse the reaction.
These electrolytes are combination solutions. Containing multiple chemicals, or at least one
compound that releases energy when it breaks down and absorbs energy to facilitate recombination.
Molecular and ionic fuel cells operate by this principal.


There are other ways energy can enter into the cell, as well.


The first step is to eliminate electrode degradation.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #374 on: November 14, 2019, 07:45:04 PM »

 

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