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Offline plengo

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Re: Status on 149
« Reply #210 on: December 07, 2014, 07:12:47 AM »
I am not sure what the cost of the initial charge is, and although we could calculate joules used in the initial charge, and at 60+ volts,
it may come to over a month of running these cells, if some free energy generation mechanism was used, it wouldn't matter...
much...

I looked at your work with something like the Telsa Switch and it looked very promising, but very different from what Patrick Kelly has
documented. I have also seen people work with electrets using just capacitors. Here's Beardon's description of an electret.

http://www.cheniere.org/references/electret.htm

It looks promising, but the few experiments I have tried with this and the Tesla Switch have failed miserably. I use solar panels. Sure
they cost money, but if you calculate the joules produced over a 30 year period and the current cost of electricity, it is a bargain...
and yes... I have a lot of experience as a systems analyst, so I have analysed these costs extensively with solar and that is an easy way
to cheap electricity and free electricity at certain points in a 30 year plan.

Anyway... I am almost ready to build 4 more cells and do the Fausto Sizzle using 2 of my low powered solar panels, which will give
over 30 V and about 800 mA.... I anticipate 20 seconds just to go with what you have said recently. What do you think? Give them
a quick zap?


My Tesla switch work was really for fun. I do have the real Tesla Switch circuit but I never really used.


The zapping should be on small cells. Large cells will take too long indeed. Even my cell #149 (the one in the graphs) took a little bit of time, like 10 minutes, to form it correctly.


Now with small sizes the time goes exponentially faster for the zapping.

Fausto.

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Re: Status on 149
« Reply #210 on: December 07, 2014, 07:12:47 AM »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #211 on: December 07, 2014, 09:02:12 AM »
@ Fausto..
you built 4 cells(2"long in straws?)
zapped 20seconds each and then sealed in tap?.or was there another step??
from your experience, how long do you expect to last??
 my Alum cell is really dim now, so 3 days out of a 1/2" and cap and magnesium fire starter ..
Fausto any suggestions on this?
and yes Jesus is Lord ;D

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neatpete45's - Sodium hypochlorite crystal cell
« Reply #212 on: December 07, 2014, 04:03:13 PM »
re: Pete's Video - Pete answered my questions - see QA below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhOXVIQhhpQ

Q: Nice! How long do they run before you have to add something to revive them, and then how long between
maintenance cycles? My guess is more than once each week. Also, how long does the magnesium last? Thanks! -t 

A: "Some I have doped once a week with a few drops but they stay on 24 / 7.
Another was made into a night light and runs only at night but is also doped with a few drops once a week.
Another one was only doped once and is still going after a month 24 / 7 with a joule thief.
Another has not been used to power anything of duration but I still dope it. Testing shows a very powerful cell.
I will update soon. Thanks for asking."

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neatpete45's - Sodium hypochlorite crystal cell
« Reply #212 on: December 07, 2014, 04:03:13 PM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #213 on: December 07, 2014, 04:23:24 PM »
@ Fausto..
you built 4 cells(2"long in straws?)
zapped 20seconds each and then sealed in tap?.or was there another step??
from your experience, how long do you expect to last??
 my Alum cell is really dim now, so 3 days out of a 1/2" and cap and magnesium fire starter ..
Fausto any suggestions on this?
and yes Jesus is Lord ;D


That's correct, 2" long or so milk shake straw with Mg ribbon wrapped in 2" x 5" paper with stranded copper wire right in the end of the last wrap of the paper. All like a sandwich "hot dog". Zap 20 seconds OR until no more smoke (vapor) comes out.


I do not expect this cell to run for more than 5 days, BUT, I am trying to achieve here is the "dormancy" step. This is a must for replicating my running cell on the graphs.


My graphs is shown as an INCENTIVE to everyone to see that indeed it is possible to create a cell that stands a long, long, long time running, may be months. I want to create one that stands for years without needing water. Now, this cell on the graph waited months to be reactivated which I agree is too long for anyone.


With this small cell on the picture I am trying to create a base-line of a very cheap and easy to make cell that ANYONE can work with and try to achieve what I have done.


I hear that big cells takes too long, or are too expensive or are too difficult. This one on the picture is very small, simple and easy. Ready available materials that a kid can build. But, it is not easy to replicate my work successfully. Even I am having trouble doing it.


Another reason why THIS THREAD.


I can guide the horse to the lake but not make it drink the water.


Fausto.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #214 on: December 07, 2014, 07:06:20 PM »
I forgot to mention that those small cell in my pictures run for about 5 days without adding water but adding water will stand for much longer time.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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Re: Build #355 Status - maintenance issues and why...
« Reply #215 on: December 07, 2014, 09:26:28 PM »
970 mV under load today. I may have not let it recover after the short mA test....
Built November 27, 2014 - start voltage 970 mV - there is a lot of room in the copper pipe, so jiggling the mag strip could increase the
voltage up to over 1100 mV and occasionally I would have to do this to get max brightness. This was the watery electrolyte mix...
December 01, 2014 - 4 days after build, the mag adjustments had opened up one end and had to add water and reseal it.
December 07, 2014 - 13 days after build - had the same problem... took the mag strip out, added a pinch of Epsom, then put the
mag strip back in, added 5 mL of water, then sealed it.  It's showing around 900 mV, but can be jiggled to get over 1100 mV.
Conclusion: pack a dryer electrolyte to reduce maintenance... I'll do something drastic if I have to maintain this cell again in less than
a week from now...

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #216 on: December 08, 2014, 01:16:13 AM »
Update on f149 "hotdog" chart..interesting saw tooth
« Last Edit: December 08, 2014, 05:52:52 AM by Heavens Pavement »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #217 on: December 08, 2014, 05:14:58 AM »
Update on f149 "hotdog" chart..interesting saw tooth


Looks excellent. Next time, please, upload pics with 800x600 resolution at least or if you want with higher resolution and I can fix it from my side. I need to see in more detail.


Now, what is the load? and in the end of the graph I see the cell is dying. It is also getting dry??? If not, add more Epson salt solution and FC62 (zap) until smokes and all vapor is gone and amperage is around 10 mA. Let it dry completely and put on graph with a 100 ohm resistor again and let's see the curve.


Please.


Thank you.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #218 on: December 08, 2014, 06:02:58 AM »
load is a white LED of now but the saw tooth pattern is so different that I'm going to let it run til it reaches 0v or buffer runs out.
this was activated is epson and 30v dc sizzle, but too long..like 20 minutes at least each cell...


I updated the graph pic to the resolution asked for. I
would have to scrounge and hope to find a 100 ohm resister.
Ill have to decide weather to do that or graph my alum cell on the oscillator and if i do the alum should   add alum and sizzle again, just alum, epsom, just water????


Is the 100 ohm for the base line measurement or does it have a affect on the cell(s)  (conditioning??)

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #218 on: December 08, 2014, 06:02:58 AM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #219 on: December 08, 2014, 06:09:37 PM »
load is a white LED of now but the saw tooth pattern is so different that I'm going to let it run til it reaches 0v or buffer runs out.
this was activated is epson and 30v dc sizzle, but too long..like 20 minutes at least each cell...


I updated the graph pic to the resolution asked for. I
would have to scrounge and hope to find a 100 ohm resister.
Ill have to decide weather to do that or graph my alum cell on the oscillator and if i do the alum should   add alum and sizzle again, just alum, epsom, just water? ???


Is the 100 ohm for the base line measurement or does it have a affect on the cell(s)  (conditioning??)


Thanks for updating the picture. The saw tooth is interesting indeed. 20 minutes is way too long. Please, send me a very close up picture of the cell. If possible make a video showing the zapping in process so that I can tell you what is going wrong.


The zapping with Alum is a totally different thing. For now I want to focus on F149 only. Too many variables to go through.The epson solution is to be used with the zapping only to start the process. Once the cell is under load and dead you should use the Epson solution (a few drops) to "reactivate" the cell and measure the load graph again.


Fausto.

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Crystal Batteries #'s 356-357 - Status
« Reply #220 on: December 08, 2014, 06:38:26 PM »
Crystal Batteries #'s 356-357 - created Dec. 1, 2014 (7 days old today)
356 - original reading under load 870 mV - white LED
 - current reading 638 mV = 232 mV total loss
 - average loss 33 mV per day
357 - original reading under load 930 mV - green LED
 - current reading 675 mV = 255 mV total loss
 - average loss 36 mV per day
These were the same build and same JT, but different color LED's, which although are rated the same, are slightly different.
There is still enough light for a nightlight, but when they get down to around 600 mV, I will add some water and reseal.

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Crystal Batteries #'s 356-357 - Status
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Re: Crystal Batteries #'s 356-357 - Graph
« Reply #221 on: December 08, 2014, 06:53:05 PM »
Crystal Batteries #'s 356-357 - created Dec. 1, 2014 (7 days old today)
356 - original reading under load 870 mV - white LED
 - current reading 638 mV = 232 mV total loss
 - average loss 33 mV per day
357 - original reading under load 930 mV - green LED
 - current reading 675 mV = 255 mV total loss
 - average loss 36 mV per day
These were the same build and same JT, but different color LED's, which although are rated the same, are slightly different.
There is still enough light for a nightlight, but when they get down to around 600 mV, I will add some water and reseal.
Thought you graph geeks would like to see a graph! lol

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Crystal Battery #361 - Recycled Mag from #351 - Built Dec. 7, 2014
« Reply #222 on: December 08, 2014, 11:38:07 PM »
This turned out to be a weak cell. I think it is the borax crystal on the mag strip. I will recycle #'s 344-345 and use a hydrogen
peroxide solution to clean the mag strips from them to see if this makes a difference. I did learn that standard 3%  hydrogen
peroxide does a great job cleaning off copper and magnesium. There was approx. 44" of mag strip in this build. I tuned a new,
really easy to build JT circuit for this cell and it is running really well. No more resistors or caps! Video coming soon! 42+ volts
from this weak cell with the new JT circuit! Stay tuned!

Video: http://youtu.be/A2oIyWrKm8U

PS - I was worried I was going to fry the 3904 transistor, which is rated at 40 volts, but I left it hooked up for an hour before I
connected it to the crystal cell and it seems to be fine after the final build! Note that I gave this cell a 30-second zap too...

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40+ Volts From Crystal Battery and Simplified JT Circuit
« Reply #223 on: December 09, 2014, 12:17:34 AM »
So.. using my oscilloscope connected to the new simplified JT circuit between the emitter and collector, I was seeing 20+ volt spikes and
was happy with that, but when I pulled it from the bread board and soldered it together, I was getting over 40 volt spikes. Note that my
new Crystal Battery #361 is very weak and it still does excellent with this tuned JT circuit. I spend the last 3 days on this, so the main
benefit is that I have now ditched the resistor and capacitor so that this JT just has 2 inductors and a transistor. IT's an easy build and
doesn't even need a circuit board to solder it together and fit it on my little shelves. When I shelved it, #361 was showing only 577 mV
under load and it is still my brightest nightlight at the moment. One note... this JT config draws more mA... over 7 when I checked prior
to mounting on the wall....

Video: http://youtu.be/2V2kYAaZ5_E

PS - I am still not sure if zapping the cell really helps. I think just putting it under load right away will polarize the cells and zapping them
may be an unnecessary step. I'll push forward over the next few months to determine that...

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #224 on: December 09, 2014, 01:16:37 AM »
@ Fausto I have no doubt your cells are ligit
I don't have equipment for 60v I can do 30v though
I'm going to make new cells and although a 100 ohm resister load sounds very boring to me I'll do it because you asked and I'll chart it
My intuition tells me that zapping speeds the process. In my own cells I've seen where copper turns the Rose color, but it took months For it to happen.. Time will tell. I am enjoying myself in all this

 

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