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Author Topic: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter  (Read 111909 times)

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Re: Crystal Battery - Build #351 - Nov. 22, 2014
« Reply #195 on: December 05, 2014, 08:20:29 PM »
Excellent. We need to determine if the corrosion in the Mg is because the initial formation or was also because its life usage. That has been the CORNERSTONE of my research when I noticed that I could not "intuitively" account for the energy out based in only corrosion. - Fausto.
As these cells are lasting longer, it will be some bit of time before I get around to dissecting these others, so it will be a waiting
game... I have been averaging one build a day for the last year, so when they do die, I will have close to daily dissections....
PS - since the only water in that cell was around the mag strip, I would imagine it was a combination of the initial formation
AND the constant usage.

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Re: Crystal Battery - Build #351 - Nov. 22, 2014
« Reply #195 on: December 05, 2014, 08:20:29 PM »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #196 on: December 05, 2014, 10:50:20 PM »
@Fausto yes in was under oscillator load. Built it dry added Epsom 30v DC for an hour. Hooked it up added the Epsom . What you don't see is 8000 seconds pevious were voltage went up after Epsom the. Added oscillator load and it went to what you see at beginning of graph, I was try to zoom in on  it I stopped the graph and it started over grrrr.
went to bed and that is what I saw the next day.
I ended it because the oscillator quit working( haven't figured that out), as in its broke!
I could chart my alum one but I have 3 fausto cells straight on a led now. It's dim on a white led but voltage was right in where yours was ( apples to apples so to speak)
I'll post that late tonight which will be wee hours for you I believe.
Wish I had a usb multimeter that would work on Mac....

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #197 on: December 06, 2014, 05:52:13 PM »
@Fausto yes in was under oscillator load. Built it dry added Epsom 30v DC for an hour.


Thank you.


One hour on 30VDC???? Something is very wrong. I will make a video showing a very small cell using one strip of Mg and copper wire that takes exactly 20 seconds to form the cell using FC62.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #197 on: December 06, 2014, 05:52:13 PM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #198 on: December 06, 2014, 08:35:58 PM »
@ Fausto since you can dial your power supply and mines a straight 30v DC supply from a printer if you could do one at 30v and tell me how long you do it thanks

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« Reply #199 on: December 06, 2014, 10:21:23 PM »
My Crystal Cell #359 represents a new type of build in terms of the amounts of copper and magnesium, so I have been working for
the last couple days on configuring a new JT circuit specifically for this build. I am also working on one for RED and Yellow LED's.
Also, I just got a Hypodermic Needle in to make it easy to add water to these after a couple or few weeks. I destroyed #351 trying to
add water... so we'll see how this works. I have a video compiling on my initial tests with some of my existing JT's against cell #359
to demonstrate some of the techniques I use to fine tune these things and offer a few conclusions on what I think works best.

I was reviewing an old Bedini video on the monopole circuit, which he says is better than any JT circuit and I noticed it was drawing
10 mA. I have tried his monopole circuit before without any success... no efficiency... not much light. If you have had better experience
with it, I would love to learn how you got it! I also tried several of the JT circuits documented by Patrick Kelly and had the same
experience. It's probably just me, but I know that if I can get something to work, anyone can, and those techniques are what I focus
on and fine tune... -t

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #200 on: December 06, 2014, 10:30:33 PM »
@ Fausto since you can dial your power supply and mines a straight 30v DC supply from a printer if you could do one at 30v and tell me how long you do it thanks


Will do.


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Crystal Battery #359 Testing JT's For This Build
« Reply #201 on: December 06, 2014, 10:32:30 PM »
My Crystal Cell #359 represents a new type of build in terms of the amounts of copper and magnesium, so I have been working for
the last couple days on configuring a new JT circuit specifically for this build.
Here's the video on this, which includes some of the techniques I use to fine JT circuits for crystal battery builds and load:
http://youtu.be/BazyDw-Crlw

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #202 on: December 06, 2014, 10:36:37 PM »
Status on Cell #149.


First photo: Part 3 Begin, December 1,
Second photo: battery of meter died (ironic) at 240 k samples.
Third photo: continuation after 240 k samples until the end another of 180 k samples totaling around 420 k samples.


This cell is giving around 2 mA to the LED continously.



Total running time:

Seconds:   1,600,000.00   
Minutes:   26,666.67   
Hours:   444.4   
Days:   18.5   
Months:   0.6   
Years :  0.05


Total Joules delivered so far:  8,256.

(please correct me).

btw, I am trying in this thread have a replication of THIS cell but in a much smaller size and faster "dormancy" time period so that ANYONE can replicate with no more than $.50 cents in cost and 15 minutes build. Acceptable one week dormancy time with following activation and very, very, very long running time without adding water.

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Status on 149
« Reply #203 on: December 06, 2014, 10:51:22 PM »
Status on 149. Part 3 Begin, battery of meter died at 240 k samples (to be continued on next photo), part 3 restarted after
240 k samples, Part 3 END and beginning of Part 4. - Fausto.
Since the pattern of decay is basically flat, it might be more useful to look at one reading per day over weeks or months to get
a real feel for what's going on... looking at a day or 2 with a flat reading doesn't tell us much more than "it ran flat for a day or
2" - I would love to know how it's done over weeks, months, years.... even start date and now readings (just 2) would give
a real feel for how the decay rate is moving along.

For example: If a cell runs under load constantly for 2 weeks and starts at 1100 mA under load and ends up at 800 mV after 2 weeks,
it may look like a flat line in 12 hours, but with just those 2 reading and the number of days (14), we can calculate a daily decay
rate, which is what I think is important over weeks, months and years... in this case, the average decay rate is 1100 mV start
minus 800 mV current = 400 mV total decay, divided by 14 days equals 28.57 mV decay per day.

I know Bedini told everyone to get one of those programs and use it to monitor crystal batteries with it, but imagine having one
for every battery. You would have to have a computer for each battery. It doesn't make sense, UNLESS the load test is just for a
day or 2 or less... am I wrong here? Just my opinion....



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Status on 149
« Reply #203 on: December 06, 2014, 10:51:22 PM »
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Re: Status on 149
« Reply #204 on: December 06, 2014, 10:59:35 PM »
Looking at those pictures, I still can't determine the total decay rate over the hand-typed 18.5 days. Can you hand type the start and
end voltage so we can determine the daily decay rate? It looks like almost NONE, but I am still not sure.... Thanks Fausto!!!

PS - Awesome Cells... the best I have seen... I came up with 8272 joules... for 3 cells, that would be 2757 per cell...
An AAA NiMh cell rated at 3000 aH and 1.2 V would give (based on the rating) 9,000,000 joules... please check my math too...
I get these for a little less than $0.60 delivered, so the only real advantage to crystal batteries is that we can build them with stuff
from home... in my humble opinion... and they are fun to play with! lol

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Re: Status on 149
« Reply #205 on: December 06, 2014, 11:04:41 PM »
Since the pattern of decay is basically flat, it might be more useful to look at one reading per day over weeks or months to get
a real feel for what's going on... looking at a day or 2 with a flat reading doesn't tell us much more than "it ran flat for a day or
2" - I would love to know how it's done over weeks, months, years.... even start date and now readings (just 2) would give
a real feel for how the decay rate is moving along.

For example: If a cell runs under load constantly for 2 weeks and starts at 1100 mA under load and ends up at 800 mV after 2 weeks,
it may look like a flat line in 12 hours, but with just those 2 reading and the number of days (14), we can calculate a daily decay
rate, which is what I think is important over weeks, months and years... in this case, the average decay rate is 1100 mV start
minus 800 mV current = 400 mV total decay, divided by 14 days equals 28.57 mV decay per day.

I know Bedini told everyone to get one of those programs and use it to monitor crystal batteries with it, but imagine having one
for every battery. You would have to have a computer for each battery. It doesn't make sense, UNLESS the load test is just for a
day or 2 or less... am I wrong here? Just my opinion....


That's why I am posting the COMPLETE reading since it started (or was activated). One can do what you are proposing but simply choosing the FIRST voltage (or voltage shown on the meter at the picture time) and average it. This cell once was activated started at 2.581 volts and around 2 mA delivery over that Green 10 mm LED. Today is 2.585??!!!! So far she is winning big time. Let's see in months.


Unfortunately if I leave her for months on the ONLY meter I have, I am in trouble.  ;D

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Re: Status on 149
« Reply #205 on: December 06, 2014, 11:04:41 PM »
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Re: Status on 149
« Reply #206 on: December 06, 2014, 11:06:40 PM »
Looking at those pictures, I still can't determine the total decay rate over the hand-typed 18.5 days. Can you hand type the start and
end voltage so we can determine the daily decay rate? It looks like almost NONE, but I am still not sure.... Thanks Fausto!!!

PS - Awesome Cells... the best I have seen...


That's correct, no decay based on the numbers but the opposite, a gain of around 0.005 volts.


Fausto.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2014, 05:03:27 AM by plengo »

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Re: Status on 149
« Reply #207 on: December 06, 2014, 11:27:59 PM »
That's correct, no decay based on the numbers but the opposite, a gain of around 0.05 volts.
Fausto.
I am not sure what the cost of the initial charge is, and although we could calculate joules used in the initial charge, and at 60+ volts,
it may come to over a month of running these cells, if some free energy generation mechanism was used, it wouldn't matter...
much...

I looked at your work with something like the Telsa Switch and it looked very promising, but very different from what Patrick Kelly has
documented. I have also seen people work with electrets using just capacitors. Here's Beardon's description of an electret.

http://www.cheniere.org/references/electret.htm

It looks promising, but the few experiments I have tried with this and the Tesla Switch have failed miserably. I use solar panels. Sure
they cost money, but if you calculate the joules produced over a 30 year period and the current cost of electricity, it is a bargain...
and yes... I have a lot of experience as a systems analyst, so I have analysed these costs extensively with solar and that is an easy way
to cheap electricity and free electricity at certain points in a 30 year plan.

Anyway... I am almost ready to build 4 more cells and do the Fausto Sizzle using 2 of my low powered solar panels, which will give
over 30 V and about 800 mA.... I anticipate 20 seconds just to go with what you have said recently. What do you think? Give them
a quick zap?

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #208 on: December 07, 2014, 02:15:56 AM »
Here is a update of my f149 3 cells under a 5mm white LED load from epsom solution add tip now, interesting graph to me, i probably made this wrong, but thats ok Im going to let this go til it goes 0 or buffer runs out.


My Alum cell given the F30v sizzle is still going but definitly dimmer. that even got thumbs up from family members ;) .

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #209 on: December 07, 2014, 05:06:42 AM »
Here is the kind and size of cell I have been trying to do to replicate my successful cell #149 (the one in the graphs) that only takes 20 seconds zapping.


Fausto.
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