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Author Topic: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter  (Read 124411 times)

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Re: #354 Status - built Nov. 26, 2014
« Reply #180 on: December 03, 2014, 10:46:25 PM »
These are holding up...
#354 is at 1065 mV under load
#355 is at 782 mV under load. This one was unsealed, so it is drying out.
 - Opened it up and watered it, then resealed it. It's at 982 mV under load.
Seems we have a winner here. Today, after a week the cell is holding at 1056 mV under load.
That's less than a 1/2 volt loss in a week, which means it might run reliably for a month under load
before it needs to be injected with a little water. At this rate, the 1 month mark would be 900 mV under load,
which would mean I have met my final goal, provided it will gain strength with a little water....
Final goal was a crystal battery that could last a month without maintenance at over 750 mV under constant load....
Boooyaaa!

Thanks Fausto! I will keep you updated!

PS - this is easily replicated with no cooking or charging.

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Re: #354 Status - built Nov. 26, 2014
« Reply #180 on: December 03, 2014, 10:46:25 PM »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #181 on: December 03, 2014, 11:23:07 PM »
@Teo,


I am very happy that you found a good solution for your goals. Please, continue posting here your findings, this thread is for EXPERIMENTERs and you are one. It is not about me and MY formula. It is about getting this into a new level with people doing a more scientific approach instead of just putting things together and hopping for the best.


Testing and repeatability are the keys.


A note on my FC62 process: I don't go over 100 C ever. I only need a little bit over 100 C which is the water boiling point. The remainder is just the current for the electrolysis.


Fausto.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2014, 03:33:01 PM by plengo »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #182 on: December 04, 2014, 01:09:44 AM »
@Teo, I am very happy that you found a good solution for your goals. Please, continue posting here your findings, this thread is for EXPERIMENTERs and you are one. It is not about me and MY formula. It is about getting this into a new level with people doing a more scientific approach instead of just putting things together and hopping for the best. Testing and repeatability are the keys. A note on my FC62 process: I don't go over 400 F ever. I only need a little bit over 100 F which is the water boiling point. The remainder is just the current for the electrolysis. Fausto.
Thanks Fausto... I am promoting this thread with every video (23 so far). I am reviewing Patrick Kelly's documentation on JT circuits
at the moment. He claims to have found ways of get 10+ COP and using JT's to power LED's and charge batteries. As with others I have
seen actually do this, he claims that you need at least 2.3 V input, but we should be able to use these crystal batteries with just 1 V to do
the same thing, in my humble opinion. I have seen this... See his chapter 5 - he updates it often, so use the html link here:

http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapt5.html

I hope to master this process soon.... when I do, I would simply add a battery slot to charge AA or AAA batteries from the crystal battery
and circuit... I tried several experiments with this today and had as many failures... Every failure is just another documented way (to me)
not to do it... like the old Edison quote, but still tough to deal with so many failures... I think I have tried 30+ variations of this so far to
date... ;(

PS - I think you meant 100 C, which is 212 F. (not 100 F), which is the approx. boiling point of water, depending on your altitude... Let
us know if you have a way to control temperature in your cooks... this is yet another variable in that process that would require exact
control for proper replication of the "Fausto Sizzle"!

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #182 on: December 04, 2014, 01:09:44 AM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #183 on: December 04, 2014, 03:48:57 AM »

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Sodium hypochlorite (NaClO) as an Electrolyte
« Reply #184 on: December 04, 2014, 01:48:43 PM »
sharing a video from a subscriber: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhOXVIQhhpQ&list=UUsC7Pga6h9RjpyopPyzPjNw
Fausto.
This stuff is readily available as bleach (about 5% by volume) and pool cleaning solutions, like he has, I am guessing around 15%.
I looked up some local brands, but couldn't determine the %. You can get it in a powder, which is easier to store and might give
you a better way to mix your cells. I don't any sitting around, but I'll take a look at what's available locally and see what the % is.

I posted my usual questions for Pete on the video. How long does it last initially? How long does it last between maintenance cycles?
How quickly does it eat the magnesium?  If he doesn't answer them soon, I may give it a try myself. The problem I see right away is
that it will probably eat right through my little caulk builds. Also, there are possible issues with chlorine gas and small quantities of
harmful byproducts. Plus, these probably have a bad odor.

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Sodium hypochlorite (NaClO) as an Electrolyte
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Re: Sodium hypochlorite (NaClO) as an Electrolyte
« Reply #185 on: December 04, 2014, 02:35:40 PM »
This stuff is readily available as bleach (about 5% by volume) and pool cleaning solutions, like he has, I am guessing around 15%.
I looked up some local brands, but couldn't determine the %. You can get it in a powder, which is easier to store and might give
you a better way to mix your cells. I don't any sitting around, but I'll take a look at what's available locally and see what the % is.

I posted my usual questions for Pete on the video. How long does it last initially? How long does it last between maintenance cycles?
How quickly does it eat the magnesium?  If he doesn't answer them soon, I may give it a try myself. The problem I see right away is
that it will probably eat right through my little caulk builds. Also, there are possible issues with chlorine gas and small quantities of
harmful byproducts. Plus, these probably have a bad odor.
Missed it the first time, but viewing that video again, I can see the mix is 125g/liter, which is 12.5%... I might make one of these
today with just bleach and see what happens. I do have some bleach, which is probably a little over 5%.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2014, 06:31:26 PM by tgraca »

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#360 Sodium hypochlorite (NaClO) and Epsom as an Electrolyte
« Reply #186 on: December 04, 2014, 05:12:20 PM »
Missed it the first time, but viewing that video again, I can see the mix is 125g/liter, which is 12.5%... I might make one of these
today with just bleach and see what happens. I do have some bleach, which is a little over 5%.
The bleach I had said it was 8.25% NaClO... I'll hook this up to a JT later... after it stops stinking! That bleach smell is horrible...
In any case, I am fine tuning my builds. The paper on the bottom worked out well. Folding most of the mag strip below the top
of the copper pipe works well and gives more mag in the electrolyte. The dental floss allows the mag to get closer to the copper.
stuffing the top with coffee filter allows the crystal to grow. I am not sure if the bleach will push open the seal, but I'll track that.
After this build, I definitely don't recommend using bleach... ugghhh...

Video on the build: http://youtu.be/BXoVU7P5rHk

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#360 Sodium hypochlorite (NaClO) and Epsom as an Electrolyte
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Re: #'s 359-360
« Reply #187 on: December 04, 2014, 06:10:14 PM »
I think that if you don't zap cells, it's important to put them under load right away. I think this polarizes the electrolyte while it is forming.
I also wanted to test my digital amp meter readings against a few of my analog meters. #360 pegged over 200 mA on both and after 45
minutes shorted, it at 25 mA. #359 wasn't used for about a day and I ran the same tests, which started at 8 mA on short, but built up to
18 mA fairly quickly and has been holding there for the last 45 minutes. These are strong little cells.

PS - #360 has leaked more than 6 drops... It is probably reacting with the Epsom and/or caulk. In any case, the caulk ain't holding the
cell shut, so there is some kind of pressure building in the cell. My recommendation for this type of cell... just say no! lol

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #188 on: December 04, 2014, 07:28:39 PM »
I am creating a video showing how to build a very simple cell using FC62 that is really easy to build and fast. The results are very interesting.

Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #189 on: December 05, 2014, 07:01:30 AM »
Here is a f149cell (with f30v treatment) on charted over night, kept getting brighter before i went to bed. oscillator quit workings the only reason i took it off(drat)
the other is a old alum cell given the the f30v treatment with alum, 24 hours later just as bright, this is my longest running cell by far!

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Crystal Battery - Build #351 - Nov. 22, 2014
« Reply #190 on: December 05, 2014, 06:21:51 PM »
It was 14 days old today and was getting dim. 721 mV on load. This was the dry build with PVC pipe - Fausto's mix will a
borax/water solution as the only water on the coffee filter around the mag strip and only 24" of 24 AWG copper wrapped
tightly around the coffee filter - dry electrolyte pinched in....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UChgvI68y5M - original video on this cell

I punched a hole in one end and watered it... it built up quickly to 1044 mV under load. I pulled it apart to check the
electrodes... with most of the electrolyte still in the PVC pipe and just a bit on the electrodes, it was showing 1756 mV
without load and 16+ mA on short, but went down to about 12 mA in about 15 seconds.

I washed it and found some black coating on the copper, but no deterioration. The borax had crystallized to some
extent on the mag strips and there was very little deterioration... barely any, but there was some. I will probably
recycle the electrodes...

I noticed that it was shorting out a bit after I punched a hole to water the cell. I think that taping copper wire onto the
mag strip just isn't going to work for me. I have to factor in the cost of a little alligator clip per cell now... oh well....
this solution works well... The alligator clip is soldered on to the emitter side of the JT and also offers an easy access
point for testing amp draw (load). ;)  -t

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Crystal Battery - Build #351 - Nov. 22, 2014
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #191 on: December 05, 2014, 06:38:52 PM »
Here is a f149cell (with f30v treatment) on charted over night, kept getting brighter before i went to bed. oscillator quit workings the only reason i took it off(drat)
the other is a old alum cell given the the f30v treatment with alum, 24 hours later just as bright, this is my longest running cell by far!
How long did it run? It looks like it was about 500 mV under load. What is the draw (mA load) on that JT with that battery?

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #192 on: December 05, 2014, 07:47:56 PM »
Here is a f149cell (with f30v treatment) on charted over night, kept getting brighter before i went to bed. oscillator quit workings the only reason i took it off(drat)
the other is a old alum cell given the the f30v treatment with alum, 24 hours later just as bright, this is my longest running cell by far!


Great work. THe graph is the F149, what happen in the end? It went up so fast? Is that the part where it was under load?


Let is DIE. Do not add water or anything. Let it DIE first, which is the phase it will become "dormant".


Will you be able to later put the Alum cell under the graph too?




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Re: #'s 359-360
« Reply #193 on: December 05, 2014, 07:49:59 PM »
I think that if you don't zap cells, it's important to put them under load right away. I think this polarizes the electrolyte while it is forming


This was the first reason for my original FC62. I noticed that cells that are born under load performed better than cells not under load at LONG TERM.


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Re: Crystal Battery - Build #351 - Nov. 22, 2014
« Reply #194 on: December 05, 2014, 07:54:11 PM »
It was 14 days old today and was getting dim. 721 mV on load. This was the dry build with PVC pipe - Fausto's mix will a
borax/water solution as the only water on the coffee filter around the mag strip and only 24" of 24 AWG copper wrapped
tightly around the coffee filter - dry electrolyte pinched in....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UChgvI68y5M - original video on this cell

I punched a hole in one end and watered it... it built up quickly to 1044 mV under load. I pulled it apart to check the
electrodes... with most of the electrolyte still in the PVC pipe and just a bit on the electrodes, it was showing 1756 mV
without load and 16+ mA on short, but went down to about 12 mA in about 15 seconds.

I washed it and found some black coating on the copper, but no deterioration. The borax had crystallized to some
extent on the mag strips and there was very little deterioration... barely any, but there was some. I will probably
recycle the electrodes...

I noticed that it was shorting out a bit after I punched a hole to water the cell. I think that taping copper wire onto the
mag strip just isn't going to work for me. I have to factor in the cost of a little alligator clip per cell now... oh well....
this solution works well... The alligator clip is soldered on to the emitter side of the JT and also offers an easy access
point for testing amp draw (load). ;)  -t


Excellent. We need to determine if the corrosion in the Mg is because the initial formation or was also because its life usage. That has been the CORNERSTONE of my research when I noticed that I could not "intuitively" account for the energy out based in only corrosion.


Fausto.

 

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