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Author Topic: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter  (Read 124489 times)

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358
« Reply #165 on: December 02, 2014, 08:00:47 PM »
I cooked it for about 10 minutes total. I had filled it to the brim with liquid, so that was my mistake. Next time I will just wet the coffee filter and leave it at that. I will add some hydrate #5 in my next mix, as in...
Here's the video on the complete build... actually.. I have another video I am working on to show the hookup to the circuit I sent Fausto with 2 polarized caps... I'll be interested to see how long this cell powers it.
http://youtu.be/ZnLn2yR7DQU

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358
« Reply #165 on: December 02, 2014, 08:00:47 PM »

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358
« Reply #166 on: December 02, 2014, 08:28:14 PM »
Here's the video on the complete build... actually.. I have another video I am working on to show the hookup to the circuit I sent Fausto with 2 polarized caps... I'll be interested to see how long this cell powers it.
http://youtu.be/ZnLn2yR7DQU


I am laughing my butt off. The mess is beautiful.  ;D ;D


Here is my recommendation. At about 3:22 of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fK2tLQdXp0&list=UUnksPMgpb_B4I2KvNHZb5xw) you will notice how tick is the paper around the Magensium in ratio to the copper. It is tight. Yours is too loose, too much liquid. Also notice the "4 cell unit" how the Mg is solidly positioned inside the copper pipe.


The pictures show a Magnesium rod with its paper wet with F149. Then I roll the rod over the paper and becomes a hot dog kind of pipe.


In the case of a Mg ribbon I would think a 24" long paper wrapped around the Mg for that pipe will work. What you need is enough paper to make the Mg ribbon tight inside the pipe. The paper being very wet with the formula but not swimming in the formula.


First picture is AFTER I cooked and I am opening to inspect the rod. The second is BEFORE I cook it. In my case with a 1/4 inch rod I am using around 24" paper for a 1/2 inch diameter copper pipe.

Another important point is that AFTER cooking you should have pretty much useless power from the cell. Then slowly she will grow exponentially.


Then she will die and the "dormant" phase will be the next (12 months???). I am trying now to figure out how to short that "dormant" period. I don't know yet how to do that, unfortunately. We will have to find out to have what I have (posted on the graphs).

Fausto.

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358
« Reply #167 on: December 02, 2014, 08:57:34 PM »
I am laughing my butt off. The mess is beautiful.  ;D ;D
notice ..the Magensium in ratio to the copper. It is tight. Yours is too loose, too much liquid.
 ... the "dormant" phase will be the next 12 months - Fausto.
Glad you liked that video! It was a lot of fun exercising the Fausto Sizzle!

The purpose of putting the mag inside the copper tube is to contain the mess. I am creating useful nightlights for this month and
will continue along those lines until my home is filled with these little batteries and JT's... I don't mind varying the formula and builds
as long as they look ok and aren't messy. In the next video, you will see my straw breather...

I get the 1/2" copper pipe for $1.10 per foot, but making a tighter fit with 3/8" copper tubing (not pipe) will cost me $1.80 per foot,
so that's ain't gonna happen.  Also, I am thinking of just filling the pipe with paper to soak up more liquid. Although the mag strips
may curve a bit inside, overall I don't think that will matter much.

I could shorten the builds to accommodate a straighter set of mag strips (like 2" instead of 3") or lock the mag strips into place using
something like circular wood or pvc cuts or just caulk... Anyway, that's the path I am on...

re: 12 month wait... if I can't plug it in right away and start using it, that is not going to work for me. My goal is:

1. less than $1 per JT and crystal battery
2. at least a week between maintenance cycles, and
3. a life span of at least 6 months with the possibility of rebuilding them for less than $0.20

I am currently building these for less than $1 each and getting 6+ months use, so the low maintenance is the only goal left for me.

PS - the last 3 builds (256-358) started at over 200 mA - they pegged my meter... so we are onto something good!

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358
« Reply #167 on: December 02, 2014, 08:57:34 PM »
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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358 - part 2
« Reply #168 on: December 02, 2014, 09:17:35 PM »
My goal is:

1. less than $1 per JT and crystal battery
2. at least a week between maintenance cycles, and
3. a life span of at least 6 months with the possibility of rebuilding them for less than $0.20

I am currently building these for less than $1 each and getting 6+ months use, so the low maintenance is the only goal left for me.

PS - the last 3 builds (256-358) started at over 200 mA - they pegged my meter... so we are onto something good!
Here's part 2 for the other video
http://youtu.be/lWCjz6NVJV0

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358 - part 2
« Reply #169 on: December 02, 2014, 10:08:53 PM »
Here's part 2 for the other video
http://youtu.be/lWCjz6NVJV0
So... I have seen this a lot with these last 3 cells. The voltage goes down fairly quick under load. After 2.5 hours, it went from 1,300 mV down to 940 mV.... I reconnected the meter to test draw (load) and the JT circuit was pulling 1.42 mV, which is fairly high for this circuit... Then I disconnected the battery completely and shorted the battery to find over 130 mA... after several minutes, it was up and down, but settled at around 110 mA, which is really high for a battery like this.... so... it has low internal resistance (bad), but high amperage on short (excellent)... I am not sure what to make of this... The real test is time... the good thing about the JT circuits I build is that they work well down to about 800 mV, but this one will work well down to less than 600 mV... we'll see over the long term....

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358 - part 2
« Reply #169 on: December 02, 2014, 10:08:53 PM »
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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358 - part 2
« Reply #170 on: December 02, 2014, 10:14:32 PM »
So... I have seen this a lot with these last 3 cells. The voltage goes down fairly quick under load. After 2.5 hours, it went from 1,300 mV down to 940 mV.... I reconnected the meter to test draw (load) and the JT circuit was pulling 1.42 mV, which is fairly high for this circuit... Then I disconnected the battery completely and shorted the battery to find over 130 mA... after several minutes, it was up and down, but settled at around 110 mA, which is really high for a battery like this.... so... it has low internal resistance (bad), but high amperage on short (excellent)... I am not sure what to make of this... The real test is time... the good thing about the JT circuits I build is that they work well down to about 800 mV, but this one will work well down to less than 600 mV... we'll see over the long term....
After a few more minutes while the battery recovered from the short, the battery was showing 1240 mV, and when I connected it back up to the JT circuit, it dropped to 840 mV, but is still climbing. We'll see how many days it can hang out above 800 mV... I'll report back...

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358 - part 2
« Reply #171 on: December 03, 2014, 12:42:26 AM »
... it has low internal resistance (bad), but high amperage on short (excellent)....


low resistance being bad?? I thought lower the resistance better. Lead acid batteries are lower than 1 ohm. Lower resistance would mean that the current going THROUGH the battery will not be wasted in heat.


Please correct me.


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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358 - part 2
« Reply #171 on: December 03, 2014, 12:42:26 AM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #172 on: December 03, 2014, 12:43:07 AM »
Is 358 first and 2 with F149 zapped?


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #173 on: December 03, 2014, 12:49:28 AM »
Is 358 first and 2 with F149 zapped? - Fausto.
Yes. Your exact formula. 2 to 1 to 1... flooded though... I will add a bunch of coffee filter, wet it down and add hydrate #5 next time...
We will truly test this... I added a bunch of notes in my posts about issues with the builds you suggested and what I plan to do...
not sure if you read them... look above...

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #174 on: December 03, 2014, 01:23:45 AM »
Yes. Your exact formula. 2 to 1 to 1... flooded though... I will add a bunch of coffee filter, wet it down and add hydrate #5 next time...
We will truly test this... I added a bunch of notes in my posts about issues with the builds you suggested and what I plan to do...
not sure if you read them... look above...


Great. I do read everything but sometimes I still miss info. Updated the sheet. I will try to put this sheet on the first post for progress log.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #175 on: December 03, 2014, 02:07:41 AM »
ON the first post I added a PDF of the Logs. It looks awful but it is a start.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #176 on: December 03, 2014, 09:32:11 AM »
today i tried a quick n dirty experiment , copper and copper in a solution of epsom and another in alum.
espom one turned solution blue/green, positive copper(pipe) a almost yellowish look...interesting, the negative (coiled26 wire), well it got eaten and turned into a darkish goo.
the Alum solution turned that pretty red like when i use a torch and the black falls off, and before my posits scrawny alligator clip smoked, cough cough the positive(pipe again) started to get that pretty red. the negative (flattened #12 wire was getting a black layer.
BTW my 30v poet supply didn't like the experiment , prob too much amps i guess, so i used my alum converted lead battery at about11.75 volts.
my new Fausto triple wrap cell was about 1.42 v i put it on my blocking oscillater.It light my white led kinda dim, checked on it 20 minutes later and was brighter..no water added,this was after yesterdays sizzle treatment.
Forgot to put it on the radio shack meter to chart it, loooong work day...

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Concerns About Cooking Manganese? - FYI
« Reply #177 on: December 03, 2014, 03:13:07 PM »
I have only seen Bedini work with Mn2O3 and not Mn2O2 or MnO2. He warned about the dangers of Mn2O3.
From my notes:
MnO2 - Manganese(IV): (not toxic - from Pyrolusite ore)
 - low toxicity and low environmental impact, and...
 - - no changes in chemical composition at less than 450 degrees F
 - - (ref. Batteries and Energy Technology (General) - 217th ECS Meeting, Issue 30)
 - aka cryptomelane
 - heating with oxygen at 450-800 F produces α-Mn2O3
 - Mn2O3 is formed by the redox reaction in an alkaline cell
 - - 2 MnO2 + Zn → Mn2O3 + ZnO
Mn2O3 - Manganese(III) (toxic - from Braunite ore)
 - aka oxo-(oxomanganiooxy)manganese
Mn2O2 - Manganese(II) (toxic)
 - aka birnessite or manganese tetraoxide

From wikipedia: The principal use for MnO2 is for dry-cell batteries, such as the alkaline battery and the zinc-carbon battery.
MnO2 is also used as a pigment and as a precursor to other manganese compounds, such as KMnO4.
It is used as a reagent in organic synthesis, for example, for the oxidation of allylic alcohols.

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Crystal Battery #359 - The Build
« Reply #178 on: December 03, 2014, 08:58:31 PM »
Shortened the copper pipe and using less mag strip - 34"
The cost of this battery for me is about $0.35 and takes little time to build
no cooking or charging - in my previous post, I noted the issue with the thermo-electric charge heating things up over 450 degrees F
specifically, toxic gases...

Video for Crystal Battery Build #359: http://youtu.be/Wj_imbez8iQ

This formula is similar battery #354, which is doing well after a week.
6 parts activated carbon
3 parts Epsom salt
1 parts hydrate #5
1 parts MnO2
thick borax/water mix coated on twine and coffee filter over mag. strips
filtered water blended to make a thick paste for electrolyte and main formula

approx. 10 minutes to build one, but will try to slim that to 5 minutes...
The key new feature is manganese IV - thank you Fausto!
These batteries are much stronger, and my builds are getting smaller and stronger thanks to your idea contribution of manganese IV!!!

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Re: Formula 149 - Cell #358 - status
« Reply #179 on: December 03, 2014, 09:25:46 PM »
The cell was what I consider dead in less than 20 hours this morning.
It was showing less than 750 mV with less than a 250 uA (1/4 mA) draw on my blinker circuit.
I hooked it up to one of my low power JT's and that's where it is now.

The problem with this Fausto Sizzle process is that it adds a crap load of new variables, like voltage used, amperage used,
electorlyte dryness or wetness, the amount of electrolyte and air, etc... the list goes on. If you want a replicatable process,
you have to remove as many variables as possible.

Also, if you looked at my post on manganese, you will see that if it heats the cell to over 450 degrees F, there is a very
real possibility of creating toxic gasses. Finally, if cost is an issue, which it is for me, you have to consider the cost of
power used to create these cells, which complicates matters significantly.

Fausto... since I won't be doing this "Fausto Sizzle" any more, let me know if you want me to move my posts somewhere
else. I like having an outlet and would rather post here, and I think my experiments might help you in some way, but if you
think it will be an issue, let me know and I will start a new thread.

Thank you so much for your contribution to my research so far. The MnO2 was a major step forward for me. -t

PS - I really did enjoy finding power sources for the Fausto Sizzle and making a big mess with our intense monkey style! lol
One thing I learned from that first 47 minute video is that if you have copyrighted music playing in the background too loud,
YouTube will put ads in your video, even if it is unlisted, for the copyright owners, which is really uncool. If you have 99%
original material on your videos, owned by you, YT trumps this... I fought a battle with them on me using public domain
video and won, but their intellectual property policies are not only unfair, but fraudulent... - FYI - but it's nice to have a place
to post videos, so cudo's to YT at least for that!

 

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