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Author Topic: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter  (Read 138636 times)

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2014, 05:48:41 PM »
I think graphite and magnesium would be an interesting test. I haven't done that yet... see...

http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/AnodeCathode.gif

Teo


I have done that. It ate Magnesium like butter.  ;D


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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Less magnesium is better?
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2014, 08:36:31 PM »
From my notes on DiveFlyFish - smaller cathode provides more power...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ilhypkTrU8

I built a cell this morning to test mass of copper versus mass of mag and found that less mag works fine. I have about 12" of 24 AWG copper and embedded a 1" piece of mag strip in the cell with only about 1/4" in the electrolyte and am getting 1.6V and 6 mA. Here's another guy on another thread here that ran a similar test. He says he gets 1.8 V and about 1/2 mA...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cxcAdVgqQ

Fausto, when I get back, I am going to run my initial tests with small amounts of mag and see how that goes and put various distances between the electrodes to see what works better, which is the other issue I want to test... should be fun! -teo

PS - if you watch this video, take note on why you might want to solder some alligator clips onto the ends of your probes... I have done this with all of my meters and am glad of it...

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2014, 10:38:17 PM »
Yeap, I do use alligator clips attached to my probes. It is quite funny to see his problems too.  ;D


I also have done that kind of cell and one day I went to attached the alligator clip to the Mg and it came out just the tip of it, in other words, it was totally corrode, GONE. I was so disappointed.


Magnesium is excellent for output power BUT very sensitive to corrosion. Water and copper in any shape will eat it up, no matter how much epson, rochelle, salt and any other household items one can think.


One of my findings is around water retention in the CRYSTAL but not in the electrolyte. Easier said than done.


Another thing that is misleading many tests I see in videos is the fact the OXYGEN will accelerate the oxidation of one of the poles (cathode or anode) and destroy the cell making the whole chemistry another think of its own and skewing the results.


That is one of the reasons I first use transparent packing tape and later casting into a resin. The results are very dramatic. The graphs also show the difference in its curve (more linear and less exponential) and also allows you to see better the real results of the cell decay.


Another thing I found out (my monkey science) that more than one crystal IS GOOD. THe different growth rate and water absorption of the crystals have an interesting effect. Difficult to explain from my intuition into more exact science terms. One can test that by changing one item only in its formula by adding another crystal.


Here is my understanding of partially what is happening in the cell (besides regular corrosion). The plates creates the potential difference , volts (duuu, that one every body knows). The crystal attracts and holds the water and as it grows absorbing the water it causes water electron loss that is attracted by the voltage differential of the plates. THis is PART of the ion exchange of regular REDOX. Next the crystal starts vibrating in its piezo effect when the electrons flow, that is very interesting (i can see that in the graphs), therefore, more output power, so a kind of snow ball effect here. Next water becoming unbalanced because of loosing electrons will cause the crystals to EXPEL out its own water to balance out the electrolyte too charge (pos or negative), this causes the piezo effect AGAIN but this time in the reverse order, recharging the cell.


This cycle will continue while the regular corrosion continues until there are no more plates left.


Now, in my opinion this is the EXTRA uncounted energy that many see intuitively in the cells but cannot really account for it, for lack of a BASELINE.


In the other thread (http://www.overunity.com/15043/new-cell-type-nanocrystal-oxide/)  Jon is doing a great work in conjunction with profitis to stablish that BASELINE in more scientific terms. This will help us a lot.


Fausto.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2014, 11:10:17 PM »
Yeap, I do use alligator clips attached to my probes. It is quite funny to see his problems too.  ;D I also have done that kind of cell and one day I went to attached the alligator clip to the Mg and it came out just the tip of it, in other words, it was totally corrode, GONE. I was so disappointed.

My mag strips break off all the time... I find that if you keep the corrosive salts or other electrolyte materials away from the mag strip, it lasts much longer. With the glue portion of the electrolyte (if used), it's fairly easy not to put the other corrosive electrolyte materials near the mag strip. I notice that copper doesn't seem to have much trouble with this, but I do the same for copper and other materials anyway. ibpointless2 made a great breakthrough with glue - thanks ib! One technique I use is to pull multiple mag strips taped together out of the cell, like the one I sent you... it's got more to be broken, so it's stronger... I'll check in while I'm away, so let me know what you think! - teo

PS - I am checking my cell #175 from back in April this year and it builds the voltage up to 1116 mV under load on that JT circuit I sent you... the crystal cell (#327) I sent you could only build it up to about 1076 mV... I think there is more length of electrodes in the earlier version... I just think it's amazing that this thing still kicks after 7 months.. fun!

PSS - if anyone is interested, this is the current configuration I am using for my JT circuit and my current electrolyte mix design for burying the crystal cell with a plant in my home... http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/JT2c.png

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2014, 10:40:00 PM »
Fausto, I ordered the last of what I need to replicate your crystal cells. It should be in late next week. Let me know how that circuit is working for you. I came back from vacation just now and found mine still blinking with 418 mV in the cap. When I left over a week ago, it had about that much in it... interesting! -teo

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Fausto's Formula F134 - Custom Build
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2014, 04:36:15 PM »
Fausto, sorry about my terrible build and major fail, but I did learn and reaffirm a few things. This video shows the build in a short slide show and the 45 min. charge, which was at least less than ideal. It was a fun and very messy project! Enjoy! I'll share more as I move onto experimenting with variations of your formula F134. Thanks for sharing! - teo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFAVwLn4mgQ

Note: the mag strips held up fine, but the copper wire completely disintegrated. I made 4 additional batteries with the leftover electrolyte (6 total) and will be testing them all over the next week. I'm building some of those flashing circuits for long term testing and will report my findings.

PS - I left this video as "unlisted" so anyone can view it, but it doesn't show up on searches. I hate sharing failures, unless it goes toward showing how I got a success, but this one's for you Fausto as I learn.


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Re: Fausto's Formula F134 - Custom Build
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2014, 05:33:51 PM »
Fausto, sorry about my terrible build and major fail, but I did learn and reaffirm a few things. This video shows the build in a short slide show and the 45 min. charge, which was at least less than ideal. It was a fun and very messy project! Enjoy! I'll share more as I move onto experimenting with variations of your formula F134. Thanks for sharing! - teohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFAVwLn4mgQNote: the mag strips held up fine, but the copper wire completely disintegrated. I made 4 additional batteries with the leftover electrolyte (6 total) and will be testing them all over the next week. I'm building some of those flashing circuits for long term testing and will report my findings.PS - I left this video as "unlisted" so anyone can view it, but it doesn't show up on searches. I hate sharing failures, unless it goes toward showing how I got a success, but this one's for you Fausto as I learn.


Teo,


Thanks man for the video. I am laughing my butt off with this video. The music really helps.  ;D


Hey, don't worry about failures, there are no such a thing, we always learn from those, so right there is a success.


Ok, let's go to the corrections and observations.
First now I know where you are at your lab, great. Now I have a baseline of YOU. Perfect.


The mix was too much man. You only need a little bit (like the tsp not TSP) and water, 70ml. Looks like you used many TABLE spoons. Too much. What you used there I could make about 100 cells. So next time use tsp (tea spoon) little small.


On the build you used copper wire, that will not work I think, since I use copper pipe. You could get those cheap at homedepot or local hardware store. The 1/4 inch pipe probably will be excellent for the Magnesium ribbons you are using.


Next you need KITCHEN towels paper. Wrap the Magnesium with it BUT BEFORE you wet the paper with the SOLUTION (not pasta) of the formula. This became a "soup-thermo-static" cell  ;D .


You said in the video "too much water", but it is the opposite. Take a medication bottle like those from CVS, put 50 ml of distilled water, and put the powders inside and mix it. It will be just a black water, BUT VERY WATERY. A solution.


Cut paper towel to the length of the Mg ribbons and wet it with the solution, wrap it around the Mg. Now put the "roll" inside the copper pipe. Make sure to use lots of paper so that the Mg with the Paper (more like a stick now) will be tight snug inside the pipe. Like a hot dog looking thing, where the pipe is the bread and the Mg with Paper is the sausage.


THEN apply the 62v and let it sizzle. It will start slowly until it becomes very hot and it will sizzle violently. You should see lots of water vapor going out.


Once the current drops to 200ma or so, you are done. Take the cell and let it dry completely, COMPLETELY. Let it become dry like a dead 100 years old bone.  :P


You should measure its voltage and should give you something around .7 or so volts. Current should be pretty much ZERO.  But Fausto, ZERO current? what kind of cell is that? ??? That is a cell that will run for a LONG TIME. Look at the graph below.


Once you get that we will continue. You are on the RIGHT PATH, just the wrong mixes and proportions and the wrong geometry.


Now, the copper WILL corrode a little bit, about 1 mm or less so using a wire it will disappear like it happen to you. When I saw that I laugh to almost pee in my pants.  ;D


The "Thermo" comes from the COOKING, high temperature, high enough to cause a solid electrolysis which will build a 1mm or so tick layer of copper oxide of sorts. The Magnesium should become pretty black but with a much smaller thickness, like .1 mm.


 The "Static" comes from the VOLTAGE/CURRENT applied and its effect on the crystal that will grow.


You also forgot one very important thing which I did not mention (I was hoping to talk to you BEFORE you would start that), as it cooks you should add Epson solution to help the process and accelerate AND build the crystal inside the PAPER. THAT'S IS THE PURPOSE of the paper, a medium for crystal growth.


Well, this video is EXCELLENT, entertaining and fun. Next time you will be much better. Learn from what we do!


The graph below shows what this kind of cell should give when properly done. This graph is 4 cells together running one 10 mm LED green for 400 k seconds and she is still going, no signs of the MG or Copper to corrode aside from the initial corrosion caused by the forming process. This cell does not need water either. Born and run, that's it. The stability is something out of this world. (I hope skeptics start looking with more attention).




 


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2014, 07:25:49 PM »
@ALL,


A video showing in more detail how to build and form the cell is coming.  (video: http://youtu.be/-fK2tLQdXp0)


Now, FOR THOSE willing to know the formula (like I gave to Teo) I will require that you send me a picture or video showing the lab, the meters, power supply and the materials (copper, mg, paper, etc). I will also need your PHYSICAL address and EMAIL.


No freebies here, If I don't know who you are I will not tell you the formula, simple. We are building trust here. Teo can attest that I DO disclaim a formula for this cell on the video to him but we agreed not to disclosure to anyone. The videos presented in this thread are also to be NOT DISCLOSED anywhere and the video clearly shows that, so please, no leaking since it will only make me go away.

I NEED EXPERIMENTERS here, people that will WORK on it and make a better world. I am not interested in people that will only get spoon fed and run away building their cells for profit and not making a better world for us.


I do not require geniuses here neither experienced builders (those can participate too). Anyone can participate as long as it follows my tests.


Fausto.
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2014, 08:47:13 PM »
Long term testing set up with JT circuit designed to test 1 cell. I
don't like to run them in series because any 2 cells I build are
never exactly the same and it's not a fair test per cell. Testing
cells individually allows you to check the subtle differences in the
builds and the performance of each cell. So, here's the long term
test I set up for my incomplete build of your formula F134. This
is my 344th Crystal Cell Build with an Fausto's formula partially
cooked and incomplete. (see my previous post)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFN74PfxFtA

Notes from first both cells: The 2 cells are both measuring about 2M
ohms. I didn't add any paper around the electrodes and there is at
least 1/4 inch between them, which accounts for the high impedance. I
had 3 teaspoons of part 1 of Fausto's electrolyte in these two cells and
never made it to part 2 of the mix. Fausto mentioned that 100 ohms of
impedance is ideal, so I will work on that. I do not have a dependable
power supply yet, so I may just cook the next batch. Fausto showed
about 170 degrees F / 76 C at in the cook, so I will go for that while I
work on the power supply issue.

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Cell 2 - Uncooked
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2014, 09:29:23 PM »
Fausto, Here's some details on my long term test for the uncooked version of part 1 of your mix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQX4H_Mk3N4

I have 4 more uncooked cells - 2 with part 1 and 2 with part 2 of your mix... They are still wet from yesterday. I will put them under a long term test tomorrow and place them on my little shelf! lol

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2014, 10:26:36 PM »
Excellent work Teo. I will build that Joule Thief of yours, that is exactly what I need.


I am actually surprised that the "soup thermal static" cell is giving 2 ma cooked. I did not expect that, but again, I did not expect the build to be as you did.


You see (and hopefully everyone), one's tests shows things that others have not done. I have not done the way Teo did and still works very well. Hopefully it will run a long time.


BTW Teo, those cells are for NOT ADD WATER EVER. Please, let them die and see for how long they will run, OK?


Again, THANK YOU DUDE, excellent work there.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2014, 10:51:39 PM »
Teo,


where did you get your Magnesium Ribbon??

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2014, 11:20:25 PM »
Teo, where did you get your Magnesium Ribbon?? Fausto.

I get it on eBay for about $40/pound, but it's less than $3 per order delivered for 25oz aka 70 feet, which lasts me a couple months... There is no real discounts on ordering more, so just order what you need and give it about a month to get to you... keep some in stock...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271538911816?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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4 More Builds
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2014, 06:15:10 PM »
Fausto, Here's some interesting info. on my 4 additional builds of your formula F134. I had to trash these, but will post what I learned after I tore them apart later.... http://youtu.be/QM2fVrTtYk0

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Crystal Batteries - Fausto Formula F134 - 4 More Builds Dissected
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2014, 07:52:50 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YS4-NRrB3Y
Crystal Cell Builds#'s 347-350 - Formula F134 builds 3-6

 

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