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Author Topic: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter  (Read 128977 times)

Offline plengo

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Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« on: October 24, 2014, 05:36:59 PM »
Hello everyone.

MISSION STATEMENT:

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This thread is for those that ARE INTERESTED to EXPERIMENT in the research of this Crystal Cell Battery that we want to build and run for YOUR LIFE TIME.


I am presenting videos and instructions on how to do it.


I hope and expect that those participating will present their own experiments and empirical data and since I am the moderator I can and WILL forbid and remove any access to this thread for those that are not being an active experimenter.


Participate and God bless you.


Fausto Heikkinen.

ps: Document PDF with log of cells from experimenters (please let me know what to change).
ps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQ6nqdtLqM


ps: Dec-20-14: [Moderator] I had to change substantially the objectives of this thread so that other members can participate with a much lower requirement. The previous requirement were to stringent and the formula proposed by me was too advanced for now. Nonetheless I am presenting here an older formula (F149) that I have very good success, although not an eternal cell, that makes possible for more practical applications (Teo is on that already). So, please, come and participate with what you have.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2014, 07:37:55 PM by plengo »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 07:20:46 PM »
I like it and i will run the tests as best as I can do them and not deviate from the plan however I just want you to know I'm running tests on my own designs but to help in this field and prove it's uses I'll happily follow your instructions to the T
just to add to the data pool

Ps. Sorry

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 07:34:55 PM »
I like it and i will run the tests as best as I can do them and not deviate from the plan however I just want you to know I'm running tests on my own designs but to help in this field and prove it's uses I'll happily follow your instructions to the T
just to add to the data pool

Ps. Sorry


That's cool. Share as much as you can the build process of the cell, if you want the EL, water and the graph, the graph please. I am sorry too, but glad we are in good standing.

Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 07:34:55 PM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2014, 06:08:43 AM »
Hey pengo I have followed your work for a while. Good job by the way. I would be interested in your proposal. Just can't fully commit at this time. Just moved from Florida to Washington state. If you don't have your ten candidates by the new year I would be interested in experimenting with you. I have some vids on my YouTube channel BackRoomLabs. I will be returning to the crystal cell experiments after I finish a wind turbine project I am working on. My goal with these cells is to find the best way to combine super caps and effeciant ringer to power 120 vac LEDs. Charge the caps in the day then at night use stored power along with the cells themselves to use for good light at night. If you have found a very stable mix that isn't destroying the magnesium that is something to build on. I have only made five different cells. The oldest ones going are over 1 1/2 year old.  Anyways keep up the work and I'll be back messing with these cells soon. I'll post an update on my cells soon being as they are all quite a bit older now.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2014, 02:11:18 AM »
BTW everyone,


this thread is ONLY FOR EXPERIMETERS to the TESTS that I will propose. If you want to show your data for different tests and formulas, please, post it at the other thread that is for that.


Here I want ONLY the data for the formula I have and the tests I will propose.


Thank you all,


Fausto.


ps: For the posts that are not relevant I will leave it for a few days or so and then move them to another thread.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2014, 03:02:33 AM »
Question to ALL:

Is it possible to have a battery with BOTH ELECTRODE METALS being the SAME METAL and produce constant output power?

For example positive is Aluminium and negative being Aluminium.

Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2014, 04:17:47 PM »
Glad to see you continuing your research. I went through the entire set up posts earlier this year for the energetic forum's bedini earth light thread - it took me a bit over 14 weeks. I intend to produce some more videos later this year (in Dec.) and I have some notes on your earlier formulas, which I tried. One included dried water glass.

I would be willing to replicate and test your formula, but only after I have shared what I have learned so far. I can't get the computer and the software set up here, but other than that, I can meet all your other criteria and make daily notes on performance manually.

Just for fun, here's a few of my experiments from earlier this year:

These are some aluminum / copper cells, which did ok for about 7 months, but I had to cut them open and water them again - they died. 6' of 17 AWG aluminum wire, 2' of 24 AWG copper wire and a 50/50 mix of soda wash and borax and some water. I am not sure how to get an image on here, so here's a link to the image.

http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/CopperAluminum.JPG

I also created 9 lead alum batteries per bedini's instructions. 2 with alum only and 7 using the final formula he showed on that thread, which was more complicated and the chemicals much harder to find, but I got them. The alum only seem to perform just as well, so if I created more, I would probably just use alum. For these motorcyle dry cell betteries, the mix was 3 cups alum and 3 cups of water per battery. These batteries will run a 2 mA load for months and a quick recharge using a solar panel with about 20 watts seems to make them stronger and longer lasting each time I charge them.

http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/LeadAlum.JPG

I built a bunch of SS SSG's just for recharging these alum batteries - this one was overkill.

http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/BediniSS_SSG-modified.png

The one I currently use is about 5x7 cm (built on a small circuit board) - tiny... The above has been disassembled and the parts recycled for other projects, but it's a cool picture!

So... I would love to participate, and will at least follow your progress. Thank you so much Fausto! You are an inspiration... at least to me!

Teo Graca

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2014, 04:28:14 PM »
Question to ALL:

Is it possible to have a battery with BOTH ELECTRODE METALS being the SAME METAL and produce constant output power?

For example positive is Aluminium and negative being Aluminium.

Fausto.

I have seen this done by others and done it myself, so yes. Any standard lead acid battery does this. Bedini charges his batteries to create a differential chemical on the plates... I think he calls this "priming" - but for small crystal batteries that aren't charged, I don't think this does well at all and it requires a difference in the amounts of metal used per pos/neg. There are a lot of aluminum capacitor experiments out there showing equal mass, but again, this requires charging. -teo

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2014, 01:29:08 AM »
Is it possible to have a battery with BOTH ELECTRODE METALS being the SAME METAL and produce constant output power?
For example positive is Aluminium and negative being Aluminium.
Fausto.

From my notes on DiveFlyFish - smaller cathode provides more power...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ilhypkTrU8

... but for copper and magnesium (and copper and aluminum), different materials than DiveFlyFish is working with, I have found that less copper provides more power... Interesting..

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2014, 03:23:54 AM »
From my notes on DiveFlyFish - smaller cathode provides more power...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ilhypkTrU8

... but for copper and magnesium (and copper and aluminum), different materials than DiveFlyFish is working with, I have found that less copper provides more power... Interesting..


I have been finding the same as you guys. Smaller is more voltage BUT the internal resistance is not the same. In the case of DeveFlyFish, I think the smaller graffite rod has much smaller resistance than the bigger one which would explain his data. When he measured the ohms of the rod one cannot count the reading simply because the ohm meter will not work when the battery is producing power. It is a wrong reading in that case.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2014, 03:40:33 AM »
I have found that there is an equilibrium in anode and cathode sizes where if you increase the anode size and not increase the cathode size the total current reaches a point where the size is no longer beneficial. However increasing the cathode size and not changing the anode size will double and triple the total current in comparison.

But on the topic of materials I have found the more conductive the anode material is the higher the amperage will be. But the voltage is usually limited to its galvanic potential

As an example mg is -1.50
where aluminum is -1.0
and gold silver and carbon (graphite respectively) is +2.0

It all really boils down to its  internal resistance and potential (respectively)

Jon

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cathode and anode further apart works better
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2014, 02:59:06 PM »
I built 21 ibpointless2 batteries on a piece of wood about a year ago to test the inconsistencies in the builds - what worked better and worse. From my notes after testing and dissecting them "cathode and anode further apart worked better" - if you look at the DiveFlyFish video, you will notice that the smaller cathode was further away from the anode and that could be the performance difference and why it shows much more resistance.

The problem with building cells to be used together is that it's near impossible to get them exactly to specs, so I tend to go with single cells and tune them to the circuit I am using, or visa versa. Here's a fun pic of the beginning of the build of the 21 ibpointless2 batteries! - teo

http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/IB_Pointless2-21_Cells.jpg

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2014, 05:52:14 PM »
Cool test there. When you have the distance between the poles, do you have more electrolyte also?

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2014, 06:15:56 PM »
Cool test there. When you have the distance between the poles, do you have more electrolyte also?
Not necessarily, but my notes suggest more electrolyte was better. I think that would be a good test.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2014, 03:48:19 PM »
But on the topic of materials I have found the more conductive the anode material is the higher the amperage will be. But the voltage is usually limited to its galvanic potential

I think graphite and magnesium would be an interesting test. I haven't done that yet... see...

http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/AnodeCathode.gif

Teo

 

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