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### Author Topic: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator  (Read 132089 times)

#### tinman

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #60 on: November 16, 2014, 09:23:27 AM »
It would seem i can find no end to the amount of turns on a coil that can be had without it effecting the pull force on the magnet-as per my setup shown in previous video's on this thread.

I started with a former with 500 turns of .31mm wire.The P/in was 24 volts @ 620mA. The pull force as measured by my setup was 55 gram's. I added another 500 turns,and the pull force remained at 55 gram's,while the P/in dropped by half. Then i added another 500 turns,and another,and have at present 2500 turns on the coil former. My P/in now is 24 volts @ 109mA,and the pull force still remains at 55 gram's. This is without the second coil on the other side of the magnet,which as we have seen will halve the P/in again,without effecting the pull force on the magnet.

My question is this-->how far can this be taken?-how many turns can be placed apon each former before we see a reduction in pull force?. Is this an infinite situation where the applied force apon the magnet that can be turned into mechanical rotational force that exceeds the P/in requirement?.

Have we been  looking at this all wrong,in that we try to keep resistive losses low,when infact i am seeing no change what so ever in raising the resistance by 500%. If i can get the resistance to 5k ohms,then at 24 volts we would only consume 4.8 milliamps,which would be only 115mW-for 55 grams of pull force. This is a far cry from the 14.8 watts we started with.

Dose any one know the limit here?

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #61 on: November 16, 2014, 01:44:41 PM »
As you know, the field from an electromagnet depends on "amp-turns". With any real wire, the more wire you use the greater the resistance and the less current will flow for a given supply voltage. Over a certain range, the relationship is linear or nearly so; that is, you can add turns, which add resistance, but the field remains the same because as turn number goes up, current goes down and the field remains the same. However you will eventually reach a point with smaller wire or lots of turns where the relationship is no longer linear and it will require more voltage in your supply to overcome the resistance of the added turns and keep the current from "falling off the cliff" and becoming too small to sustain the field at the required strength.
In your experiments you just haven't hit that range yet.

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #62 on: November 16, 2014, 05:08:15 PM »
@Tinman,

Joseph Newman has reached the limit you speak of. I attached a picture of his three ton electric motor below:

@Milehigh,

The magnet core output coil Conradelectro tested needed to be SHORTED to achieve the "Lenz Propulsion" effect I forecasted. You impudently prevented Conradelectro from testing the coil with a capacitive load as I instructed him to, causing me great embarrassment, and failed test results. Doug Konzen clearly demonstrated the same effect in this video:

"This video is meant to show that with coils short-circuited, and also with a stack of magnets behind the cores of the generator coils, you can get the motor to speed up".

Connecting a capacitive load between the coil leads, contrasted to strong resistors, amounts to the same difference dead shorting would have compared to an open circuit.

The power of the N pole facing monopole magnet rotor derives from the superior strength of the south pole of the electro magnet solenoid coil.

"Experiment: In our experiment we used a bar magnet, ruler, and paper clips. We used a ruler to measure the distance of the force exerted from each pole by pulling paper clips. Three attempts were measured. In the first and second attempt the South Pole started attracting the paper clips at 1 inch and in the third attempt it attracted paperclips at inch. In the first and second attempt the North Pole attracted paper clips at inch and in the third attempt it attracted paper clips at inch. Conclusion: Based on our experiment we concluded that the South Pole had a greater magnetic force than the North Pole".

Lastly, the Tesla series bifilar coil is not a D.C. coil!
« Last Edit: November 17, 2014, 12:37:07 AM by synchro1 »

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #63 on: November 16, 2014, 08:28:32 PM »
Synchro1:

You have been on this site several times today, Sunday November 16.  You have certainly read my response to your foolish posting, yet no comment from you?  You read how TinMan confirmed my interpretation of his test results and he went one step further and made better tests confirming the results again.  That's where you called my comments "malarky" and you called me a fraud.  Are you implying that you are so stupid that you don't even understand error tolerances?

No response from you?   No apology from you?  You are a spineless coward, and apparently the only thing that you can do now is run away.  I have seen this ridiculous and immature behaviour from you in the past.

Today marks the day where your stupid asinine behaviour comes to an end.  Grow the f*ck up and act like a man.

MileHigh

#### shylo

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #64 on: November 16, 2014, 11:43:57 PM »
To TK &Tinnman, I was testing this today power consumption can be reduced .
If you use both sides of the electro-magnet.
I added resistance to a single coil but got no response or atleast not noticeable.
Releasing a permanet magnet from an e-mag creates a spike ,you can catch it.
Good stuff, Thanks.
artv

#### Scorch

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2014, 12:32:37 AM »
11/16/14

Hello all.

I managed to complete some more G1 assembly today.

This is the three phase alternator rotors.

It does appear to be very nice engineering here including dual rotors that provide for magnetic flux on both sides of the coils for increased efficiency.
As compared to a more conventional alternator that might only have a single magnetic rotor inside a field winding surrounded with energy robbing iron cores, steel housings, hardware and etcetera.

Pretty straightforward assembly without any challenges other than the occasional plastic bur in the tapped screw holes.
Rotors are 6.375" diameter and appear to be acrylic.
Each rotor has 16 poles.
Magnets are-

16 pcs of Countersunk Magnets 1"L x 1/2"W x 1/8" Thick N42 - North face
www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BX082CS-N&cat=173
16 pcs of Countersunk Magnets 1"L x 1/2"W x 1/8" Thick N42 - South face
www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BX082CS-S&cat=173
Also sold as pairs-
www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BX082CS-P&cat=173
And-
32 pcs of 1"L x 1/2"W x 1/8" Thick N42
www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BX082

Countersunk magnets are mounted with stainless steel screws then additional magnets merely sit on top of these mounted magnets and held in place their own magnetism.
Although, if I wanted to operate such an alternator at a high RPM, I would probably glue these 'face' magnets in place.

And, BTW, it really does help to have a magnetic pole identifier tool for building such things.
I used to merely use a magnet of known polarity but I am spoiled now that I have an electronic detector.

That is all for now.

Enjoy the experimentation, learning, and gaining of knowledge.

Kindest regards;

}:>

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2014, 04:51:33 AM »
11/16/14

Hello all.

(snip)
And, BTW, it really does help to have a magnetic pole identifier tool for building such things.
I used to merely use a magnet of known polarity but I am spoiled now that I have an electronic detector.

(snip)

Yes, the electronic pole detector is a neat item. I hope you didn't spend too much for yours! Here's a very simple circuit using the sensor chip and a couple LEDs from a worn-out computer case fan, and one 10 cent resistor:

(This circuit can also be used, obviously, for various other purposes like switching a bipolar pulse motor, etc. )

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #67 on: November 17, 2014, 02:40:59 PM »
Synchro1, I don't know what magic you worked to squeeze in posting #63 but it doesn't matter.  You are just repeating foolishness that was rebutted a long time ago.  I am certain that you remember Gyula discussing the flaws with the paperclip experiment but like some immature child you are "forgetting" now.  I will keep this short because it is off-topic to this thread.  Everything I said to you earlier still applies.  You're a spineless coward.  Stop the nonsensical idiocy and GROW UP.

#### Low-Q

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #68 on: November 17, 2014, 09:51:48 PM »
You impudently prevented Conradelectro from testing the coil with a capacitive load as I instructed him to, causing me great embarrassment, and failed test results.
Any attempt to test an over unity device allways end up in embarrassment and failed results. Such people avoids public attention for a while.
This is something any over unity inventor must live with. They will fail every time they try.

However, there are inventors who test fusion. Still not more energy out than you put in, but for sure more USEFUL energy out than you put in.

Vidar

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2014, 12:16:06 AM »
Any attempt to test an over unity device allways end up in embarrassment and failed results. Such people avoids public attention for a while.
This is something any over unity inventor must live with. They will fail every time they try.

However, there are inventors who test fusion. Still not more energy out than you put in, but for sure more USEFUL energy out than you put in.

Vidar

Doug Konzen's magnet backed ferrite core generator coil would test positively as an overunity coil if he wired a capacitor in series with a fast switching diode between the coil leads instead of dead shorting them. Not only would the coil speed the rotor up and lower input in the sweet range of one half inch, it would generate and store additional current from the interaction of the backing magnets with the output coil windings. The generator coil backing magnets produce a separate and very powerful oscillating field that crosses the output coil windings. This extra field oscillation couples additively with rotor induction. Looping the stored magnet core generator capacitor output back to source by simply attaching wires directly from the capacitor leads to the power source electrodes would result in a COP>1. It's incomprehensible how wicked people like Milehigh can be allowed to act as vituperative as he has shown with no administrative sanctioning to cover a truth so simple and easy to replicate.

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #70 on: November 18, 2014, 07:11:54 PM »
If it's so simple and easy to replicate then go ahead and replicate it Synchro1.  Of course this is all fantasy talk from you, and we have seen it in the past.  Prove us wrong and replicate it showing your schematic, the full measurements, and the complete timing diagram.

Whether you really believe and act the way you do for real, or this is all a big put-on and you get some kind of psychological gratification and thrills from acting the way you do, either way it indicates that you have some psychological problems.  You keep on acting the fool and contributing no value whatsoever to this forum, then you will have to worry about administrative sanctioning coming down hard on you.

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #71 on: November 18, 2014, 08:15:39 PM »
There you go again Synchro with your "patented" misrepresentation of the work of others and your straw-man arguments and misunderstandings of what is happening. Nice job Synchro, at least you are being consistent.

In this video you can see the little core biasing magnets attached to the outer ends of the cores if you look carefully.

I can't at present seem to find my video explicitly demonstrating the effect of the biasing magnets on the cores but they do have a dramatic effect, and this is caused by the pre-saturating of the cores by the external field of the bias magnets, so that the cores are now pushed to different regions of their B-H hysteresis curves by the applied current pulses in the wires. This can indeed make the motor more efficient in terms of rotor torque vs. applied current, and the mechanism by which this is so is well understood. At least by some of us.

#### Low-Q

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #72 on: November 18, 2014, 08:21:25 PM »

Doug Konzen's magnet backed ferrite core generator coil would test positively as an overunity coil if he wired a capacitor in series with a fast switching diode between the coil leads instead of dead shorting them. Not only would the coil speed the rotor up and lower input in the sweet range of one half inch, it would generate and store additional current from the interaction of the backing magnets with the output coil windings. The generator coil backing magnets produce a separate and very powerful oscillating field that crosses the output coil windings. This extra field oscillation couples additively with rotor induction. Looping the stored magnet core generator capacitor output back to source by simply attaching wires directly from the capacitor leads to the power source electrodes would result in a COP>1. It's incomprehensible how wicked people like Milehigh can be allowed to act as vituperative as he has shown with no administrative sanctioning to cover a truth so simple and easy to replicate.
No. You're wrong. There is loss in every component you put into a circuit. The more you get, the more loss there will be.
Makes sense, doesn't it?

Vidar

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #73 on: November 18, 2014, 09:00:29 PM »
There you go again Synchro with your "patented" misrepresentation of the work of others and your straw-man arguments and misunderstandings of what is happening. Nice job Synchro, at least you are being consistent.

In this video you can see the little core biasing magnets attached to the outer ends of the cores if you look carefully.

I can't at present seem to find my video explicitly demonstrating the effect of the biasing magnets on the cores but they do have a dramatic effect, and this is caused by the pre-saturating of the cores by the external field of the bias magnets, so that the cores are now pushed to different regions of their B-H hysteresis curves by the applied current pulses in the wires. This can indeed make the motor more efficient in terms of rotor torque vs. applied current, and the mechanism by which this is so is well understood. At least by some of us.

As usual it's practically impossible to identify anything in your video apart from the extensive rubbish pile that clutters your rat's nested habitation. The magnets Doug uses have to be many thousands of times stronger then those tiny neo disks you appear to use, as mine are, and retard the coil's pole formation to phase shift past TDC causing "Lenz Propulsion". My version uses diametric tube cores and a diametric spinner. You demonstrate no evidence of rotor speed up in your Orbette video.

#### Scorch

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##### Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2014, 11:30:09 PM »
11/18/14

Hey MileHigh.

Is it possible that John Bedini does in fact try to teach us and he actually does 'let on' for those with open minds, eyes to see, and ears to hear?
Is it possible that educational materials such as the "energy from the vacuum" video series and the three new reference books (and video) from JB actually do contain very useful information well worth the cost of a few reference books or DVDs?
Is it possible that those who negatively dismiss such reference materials as being "to expensive" or "they are just selling books" or "these systems will never work" may not EVER 'get it'?

The fact is-
If one doesn't bother to actually obtain and study the reference material and/or conduct a peer review experiment then; one has absolutely ZERO authority regarding said reference material he didn't read or study or experiment he didn't replicate.

Case in point-