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Title: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 15, 2014, 08:06:58 PM
Hello everybody.  :)

It has come to my attention there does not appear to be any thread here dedicated to the Quanta Magnetics Muller/Wood style experimental motor generator kits that are offered here-
http://quantamagnetics.com/

And Demonstrated here-
www.youtube.com/user/PMMG4HYBRID

I have already built the Q2 and provided a lot of those build details on another forum here.
See-
www.overunity.com/3842/muller-dynamo/

I have also recently completed the conversion to convert the Q2 over to a Q3 after it sat on the back burner for a long time in my hobby shop.
See attached image and this video-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCVljbXay1c

But, wait, I am already working on the new G1!
SO; I figured this forum definitely needs a topic dedicated to this particular technology including the new G1 which is advertised as "three brand new inventions in one device".

That is all for now, have fun experimenting, and please share your quanta magnetics projects here so we may all learn from this and each other's experiences, testing, and results.

Kindest regards;

Scorch G. Dragon.

}:>

PS: The attached image is the Q3 system running under its own power from its capacitor bank while charging three different batteries from its three different outputs.
Including a BEMF output from the pulsed motor section, a "Charge Accelerator", Pulsed DC, output from the disk generator, and a lower voltage output from the toroidal generator which is then stepped up through a DC-DC converter.
At which point the system is running on its internal power (at about 900ma.) to charge one 24 volt, 34 amp hour, battery, another 24 volt, 18 amp hour battery, plus a third 12 volt, 18 amp hour, battery...
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 15, 2014, 09:09:28 PM
Scorch:

I would advise everyone in the strongest possible terms to avoid Quanta Magnetics devices like the plague.

The price for a Q2 is three thousand dollars and you still have to buy about $500 worth of supercapactitors and who knows how much for magnets to complete the device.  Let's say the total cost is somewhere between $3750 and $4000 USD.

And what do you get for all that money?  A pulse motor and a simple generator, stuff that an experimenter around here could make and build for themselves in a few days for less than $100.

Here is a censored description for the term "highway robbery" from the online Urban Dictionary:

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When the price for something is sky high, because the manufacturer knows you need it and have no choice but to pay for it. stems from gas stations on highways in the middle of nowhere who charge $10 for a 2 year old microwave burrito because they know the next gas station is 150 miles down the road.

Person 1-"Man, I paid $50 for 3 gallons of gas, a pack of gum, and a soda last night at this gas station in Egypt"

Person 2- "Talk about highway robbery!"

People do not need to buy a Quanta Magnetics device and they have many other choices that will give them the same results.  Their first choice is usually to build a device themselves.  Also, "three brand new inventions in one device" is not true.  All of his devices do nothing special and people around here have seen simple pulse motors and simple generators charging capacitors and batteries for years.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: TinselKoala on October 15, 2014, 09:55:42 PM
Notice the huge bank of capacitors in the photo, and how the reporter conveniently leaves out the process and energy cost of charging the capacitors so that the device will run "on its own internal power".

It's nicely put together though. It must be very frustrating to build something like that, only to find that it doesn't actually do what is claimed for it.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 16, 2014, 01:09:00 AM
To each, his own, I guess.
Totally depends on individual perspective. :)
And inkjet printer ink is typically over $5,000.00 per gallon. . .   :o

I come from a reality where many people spend thousands of dollars for items of far less scientific experimental value such as video games, expensive toys, or even a furry mascot costume they may only wear a few times per year at conventions.

And, in a more realistic comparison, I believe Quanta Magnetics pricing to be fair especially when compared to something similar such as this offer of everything you need to build "stage one" EXCEPT the actual core...
http://teslaenergysolutionsllc.com/product/quantum-energy-generator/ (http://teslaenergysolutionsllc.com/product/quantum-energy-generator/)

At $4,200.00 for the kit plus another $3,095.00 for the core and grand total of $7,295.00 (plus S&H) for both items to build ONLY stage one.... it would appear the quanta magnetics products are actually quite a bargain.  :)

And, BTW, only we have the authority to set the price for our own time, or our own property-product, and any claim of "robbery" without proof of claim is merely a frivolous claim which may result in a counter claim....

Yes, indeed, I have been down that road of building many of these things from raw materials but the fact is I am very lazy and that can be very frustrating for a bench jockey, such as myself, who may not know very much about such things as quantum physics, magnetic geometry, or resonate systems.

So I find it very refreshing (not frustrating) when somebody actually offers a complete, custom designed, kit as a basic test bed that I can start experimenting with immediately after I assemble it.

As far as actual results; only I can acquire such knowledge for myself through experiential, hands on, gaining of such knowledge.
I simply cannot rely on others who tell me it's a "waste of money" or "it's never going to work so don't even try"...

If I did; I would not have even built my first SSG by converting a fan motor many years ago.  8)

And if even if somebody appears to show promising results, such as this very intriguing *test of the G1, I cannot rely on THAT either!
*See:  www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKw7c0UjYkM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKw7c0UjYkM)

I can only maintain my faith, trust, and forgiveness of others and move forward because without faith, trust, and forgiveness; there can be no advancement or even any commerce for that matter.

Kindest regards;

}:>

PS: Please provide the proof of your claim that others have already built the same thing (G1) including SSR based controls, incorporation of DC-DC converter, gyroscopic alternator that is NOT connected to the motor, system resonating at Schumann frequency, internal system voltage rising while under a load, and etcetera.

Please provide proof of your claim such as verifiable videos, documents, photographs and etcetera.

Kindest regards;

}:>


Scorch:

I would advise everyone in the strongest possible terms to avoid Quanta Magnetics devices like the plague.

The price for a Q2 is three thousand dollars and you still have to buy about $500 worth of supercapactitors and who knows how much for magnets to complete the device.  Let's say the total cost is somewhere between $3750 and $4000 USD.

And what do you get for all that money?  A pulse motor and a simple generator, stuff that an experimenter around here could make and build for themselves in a few days for less than $100.

Here is a censored description for the term "highway robbery" from the online Urban Dictionary:

People do not need to buy a Quanta Magnetics device and they have many other choices that will give them the same results.  Their first choice is usually to build a device themselves.  Also, "three brand new inventions in one device" is not true.  All of his devices do nothing special and people around here have seen simple pulse motors and simple generators charging capacitors and batteries for years.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 16, 2014, 01:42:56 AM
..."doesn't actually do what is claimed" ?

To the best of my knowledge; there appears to be no specific claim these experimental kits can do any particular thing beyond what is demonstrated in the videos such as very little lenz effect, or drop in RPM, when the torodial generator is under a dead short load.

And, in my reality regarding "frustration", I have not been very frustrated about any particular aspect of these experiments other than the occasional part that, in the early 'prototype' stages, wasn't machined quite right that I had to repair or modify.
This is pretty much the extent of my frustration which, when you think about it, is merely just a fact of life or refreshing challenge and learning experience of this life to meet and conquer such challenges.  ;D

And, yes, I (a reporter/video producer) may not have been very clear when I *talked about using external sources to replenish the charge accelerator capacitors such as using readily available free sources like a solar panel, earth battery, wind or hydro system in a creek.

*Hear my dialog here: http://youtu.be/CCVljbXay1c?t=7m20s (http://youtu.be/CCVljbXay1c?t=7m20s)

So here I am; actually doing this stuff while maintaining the positive "can do", attitude about the whole thing seeking positive solutions not negative problems or claims.

The more people keep telling me "it cannot be done", or "not worth the time and money", the more I am inclined to actually spend the money and conduct the experiments.   8)
And when I am done with an old experiment; I will likely just sell the test bed to somebody else who might be able to benefit and learn from it.

Kindest regards;

}:>


Notice the huge bank of capacitors in the photo, and how the reporter conveniently leaves out the process and energy cost of charging the capacitors so that the device will run "on its own internal power".

It's nicely put together though. It must be very frustrating to build something like that, only to find that it doesn't actually do what is claimed for it.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 16, 2014, 05:16:01 AM
Scorch:

If you paid full price for that thing, you played with it for a few months, and now you are looking at yourself in the mirror and saying, "Now what?" I am really sorry that happened to you.  I can sympathize with your desire to recoup some of your money, but it's still not right to go into a spin zone and pump it up so that you can dump it on someone else at a very high price.

Also from your YouTube clip, quoting you:

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I don't know what the actual efficiency is which may require substantial testing in a totally controlled, laboratory, environment. Therefore am not qualified to make any specific claims of performance for what is, in reality, a totally experimental device with unknown potential. Such as replacing the reed switch timing system with a solid state sensor and controller for operating at a substantially higher RPM. Or installing a coil shorting system to produce substantially higher voltages from the toroidal generator which may be in access of 500 volts. (see:  600% AMPLIFIED VOLTAGE from TPA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kTzzAf_dw) ) The fact is; I am already moving beyond this older Q3 design in favor of other, more advanced, designs and I actually intend to set this device aside at this point and, possibly, offer it for sale.

I give you a lot of credit for being honest about wanting to sell it.  The real issue here is Quanta Magnetics, not you.

You are a nice guy with a beginner's level in electronics.  I am assuming that you bought it naively thinking that it would do some amazing stuff.  I have some news for you, the Quanta Magnetics guy is a beginner also, and he barely knows what he is doing when it comes to electronics.  He is a guy with great build skills that can make very pretty motors but he barely has a clue.  It's actually "painful" to watch his clips because if you have the knowledge and experience under your belt, you can clearly see that he knows next to nothing about electronics and he actually says next to nothing in his clips.  He does not really know what he is doing.  That may be a surprise to you but it's true.

I my opinion he is just out to sell kits and make huge profits.  He made a few jigs for cutting up Lucite into pretty pieces and he has a CNC milling machine and he is looking for profit.  Bedini is very much in the same mold but Quanta Magnetics takes it to a whole new level.

His devices do nothing but take source battery energy or source capacitor energy and transfer it somewhere else, like another battery or a capacitor bank or a load.  When they do that, the fancy Quanta Magnetics motor (any version) is probably somewhere between 30% and 50% efficient.  So that means the motor is losing between 50% and 70% of the source energy and turning it into waste heat.  You will never see him attempt to make any serious measurements on his motors because he most likely doesn't want to and he also doesn't know how to.

So indeed, you are much better off going to Radio Shack and buying a roll of speaker wire to use as a coil.  Then get a 555 timer circuit, and a power transistor or a power MOSFET, and a set of batteries.   A setup like that when properly tuned will easily outperform any Quanta Magnetics motor and could probably be built for under fifty bucks.  It would also be pointless outside of desulfating an older battery.  There is no point in discharging a good battery in order to pulse charge a good discharged battery.  You lose energy like that.  If you want to learn something there are other ways to get there.

I don't mean to be harsh, but all of your citing of battery charging and voltages and RPMs and stuff like that is an emulation of what the Quanta Magnetics guy did.  It all might sound impressive to an uninformed person, but it's just unsubstantial window dressing that doesn't really have any true meaning in terms of electronics and what the device is supposed to be doing.  So there is no point in even rebutting the technical stuff, it would take way too long.

Sorry!  But if you are done with that hunk of Lucite, perhaps try eBay or something.  The Quanta Magnetics guy is a "pro" and in my book if you are a pro, then you are subjected to a "real" evaluation.  For what it's worth, the QEG is in the same boat and the technical lead for the QEG, James Robitaille, has just as much egg on his face or more, than the Quanta Magnetics guy.  He has been hyped as "the next Tesla" or "inspired and taking the torch from Tesla" but in reality he can barely punch his way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 16, 2014, 09:28:51 AM
Wow. Lots more negative claims and general negativity about an honest offer for an honest compensation or another honest attempt to explore the nature of these many things and unknown paths of these realities as we play these roles upon this world stage...   8)

Would you believe the above image represents my FIRST rudimentary test therefore I know virtually NOTHING regarding the potential of this device and most or all of your claims including your direct statement about my own POSSIBLE FUTURE decision to sell or not sell a device after I only, just now, conducted the FIRST test lasting less than a couple hours one afternoon... To the point it looks good enough to actually produce the FIRST video... detailing the first experiment after RECENTLY completing the Q2 to Q3 conversion... then conducting the first test of the first configuration utilizing my first 3 volt DC-DC converter which is NOT part of the original offer or experiment... And, possibly, a first in itself because nobody else tried using the low voltage toroid in this manor with this specific converter... therefore is an original issue creation of this first for this first by yours truly; the honest and respectful one who authored the first entry to this topic.   :)

At which point I did begin my own FIRST topic and thread here which was NOT created merely to sell a previous experimental test bed... which is, now, waiting for me to build something better and more interesting that I would love to share here... provided I am not to distracted by a lot of negativity. . .
Is this how you welcome new explorers walking their own path of discovery on this forum?  :P

Why have you decided to have a problem with this path I walk?
How may I assist you to solve these problems you chose to have with my path?

Do you honestly believe I would make this investment then immediately walk away from it? ... before I have tried the system in a real world application... or working in conjunction with a similar, gyroscopic, device or many other factors to consider before actually placing it on the auction block or NOT.

WHO and WHAT are you? who appears to be damaging me and the value of what I just created, and built, by way of your language and mere negative OPINIONS of the UNKNOWN sir.
Such as the actual cost of research, development, prototyping, marketing, materials, limited run production, other overhead costs, follow-up and etcetera then finally appears as a kit looking something like the attached image below.

Have you done anything to earn my respect? Or are your actions to damage me?, my efforts, my creation, my asset and its resale value and possibly even this forum and our future.  ???

Which role are you playing and by what authority do you allege such serious, injurious, claims?
Do you have anything positive to offer towards these lofty goals for the good of all?

I conditionally accept your claim(s) upon proof of your claim(s).


Should you fail to prove your claim(s) then I accept your implied consent, there is no claim, therefore your claims are frivolous (spam) that only serves to distract, damage, and injure including commercial injuries to my assets and resale values as well as those of Quanta Magnetics.
Will you put your money where your mouth is by way of certifying your claims, authored by your hand and sealed in blood, under severe penalty of perjury?

Go ahead, mister, prove it.
Prove you have authority to set the value and price of my assets and those of others.   ::)

I see no evidence, or record, you have first hand knowledge of the many realities of my life-path including current projects, or you have authority to author what somebody else may decide or charge for their asset-products, and I believe no such evidence or record exists.

How may I assist you to solve all these problems you have chosen to have with me, my realities, my beliefs, my assets, my images, my writings, my videos, my projects, my experiments, my forums or those of others?

If you don't like the offered price*; then go somewhere ELSE!   :)
*The offered price, I gladly accepted, for these many products from many sources on many an occasions for many a hobby project for many endless nights of learning, discovery, and enlightenment.

What is my remedy, you so desire, to solve all your chosen problems you decided to have here?

How may I help you solve these controversies to the satisfaction of all?
What can I DO for you? What do you want me to DO?

I'm always open for positive, source field energy, suggestions and SOLUTIONS, not problems...  :)
What should I do?

I think I should stop spending a lot of time responding to unproductive comments and get back to work building the G1... 
BTW: This is merely one of my hobbies.  Just like somebody else who spends thousands on a model railroad or RC aircraft.   *shrugs* :)

And, oh yeah, my beginners electronics started in the late sixties ... when I was seven... and my current trade is door to door major appliance services.
See: http://rodscontracts.com (http://rodscontracts.com)  But you should already know this... if you actually knew anything about me such as reading my past journals in the other topic I linked... versus the obvious assumptions and presumptions...

Love you all and please forgive my beliefs, truth seeking, discovery, and enlightenment.
Thank you and have fun experimenting and discovering whatever may be revealed to you.

Kindest regards;

}:>

Scorch:

If you paid full price for that thing, you played with it for a few months, and now you are looking at yourself in the mirror and saying, "Now what?" I am really sorry that happened to you.  I can sympathize with your desire to recoup some of your money, but it's still not right to go into a spin zone and pump it up so that you can dump it on someone else at a very high price.

Also from your YouTube clip, quoting you:

I give you a lot of credit for being honest about wanting to sell it.  The real issue here is Quanta Magnetics, not you.

You are a nice guy with a beginner's level in electronics.  I am assuming that you bought it naively thinking that it would do some amazing stuff.  I have some news for you, the Quanta Magnetics guy is a beginner also, and he barely knows what he is doing when it comes to electronics.  He is a guy with great build skills that can make very pretty motors but he barely has a clue.  It's actually "painful" to watch his clips because if you have the knowledge and experience under your belt, you can clearly see that he knows next to nothing about electronics and he actually says next to nothing in his clips.  He does not really know what he is doing.  That may be a surprise to you but it's true.

I my opinion he is just out to sell kits and make huge profits.  He made a few jigs for cutting up Lucite into pretty pieces and he has a CNC milling machine and he is looking for profit.  Bedini is very much in the same mold but Quanta Magnetics takes it to a whole new level.

His devices do nothing but take source battery energy or source capacitor energy and transfer it somewhere else, like another battery or a capacitor bank or a load.  When they do that, the fancy Quanta Magnetics motor (any version) is probably somewhere between 30% and 50% efficient.  So that means the motor is losing between 50% and 70% of the source energy and turning it into waste heat.  You will never see him attempt to make any serious measurements on his motors because he most likely doesn't want to and he also doesn't know how to.

So indeed, you are much better off going to Radio Shack and buying a roll of speaker wire to use as a coil.  Then get a 555 timer circuit, and a power transistor or a power MOSFET, and a set of batteries.   A setup like that when properly tuned will easily outperform any Quanta Magnetics motor and could probably be built for under fifty bucks.  It would also be pointless outside of desulfating an older battery.  There is no point in discharging a good battery in order to pulse charge a good discharged battery.  You lose energy like that.  If you want to learn something there are other ways to get there.

I don't mean to be harsh, but all of your citing of battery charging and voltages and RPMs and stuff like that is an emulation of what the Quanta Magnetics guy did.  It all might sound impressive to an uninformed person, but it's just unsubstantial window dressing that doesn't really have any true meaning in terms of electronics and what the device is supposed to be doing.  So there is no point in even rebutting the technical stuff, it would take way too long.

Sorry!  But if you are done with that hunk of Lucite, perhaps try eBay or something.  The Quanta Magnetics guy is a "pro" and in my book if you are a pro, then you are subjected to a "real" evaluation.  For what it's worth, the QEG is in the same boat and the technical lead for the QEG, James Robitaille, has just as much egg on his face or more, than the Quanta Magnetics guy.  He has been hyped as "the next Tesla" or "inspired and taking the torch from Tesla" but in reality he can barely punch his way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 16, 2014, 06:10:46 PM
Scorch:

I am a firm believer in free enterprise, and companies or people are free to charge whatever they want for their products or services. Just as other people are free to express their opinions and review these products or services.  That's the way it should be.

So, somebody can make a movie for 100 million dollars and the critics pan it and ordinary people don't like it and it's a bomb at the box office and it only makes five million dollars.  Somebody else can make a great movie for ten million dollars and it's a great success and it makes 300 million at the box office.

So all of your prose about this issue is moot.  Quanta Magnetics charges $3000 for an unassembled pulse motor/generator that will probably end up costing the end user about $4000 plus their labour.  Nobody is stopping the sellers and the buyers.  But,. I will state that it's ridiculously over-priced for what you get and people can agree or disagree or listen to or ignore what I have to say.

With respect to what the device does, there is absolutely nothing for me to prove.  It is a pulse motor with generator coils and a big supercapacitor bank.  Big deal.  It will do what any pulse motor/generator will do.  Do you think it will do something amazing and extraordinary?  If you do the burden of proof is on you to prove it.

You make it all sound very noble with terms like "truth seeking, discovery, and enlightenment."  That's all fine and dandy but it's still just a way to learn basic electronics concepts and I encourage that.  People can learn by whatever means they want.  My advice would be to go out and buy a book or two about electronics, search the web for course material including YouTube of course, and build something for yourself if you want to play with pulse motors and generators.  People should take their inspiration from a great guy like Lidmotor on YouTube.  He made his first pulse motor by using the lid from a jar of peanut butter, hence his YouTube name.

One thing for sure, for $4000 you could have a scope, signal generator, electronics components, books, breadboards, and a ton of other parts so that you could make multiple pulse motors and generators and experiment and learn until you are blue in the face.

When you talk about the Schumann resonance and stuff like that and relate it to pulse motor/generators, you are talking nonsense.  I notice that Mr. Quanta Magnetos drops a lot of buzz words like that in his YouTube marketing videos and that kind of stuff is wrong.  Probably the classic example of this relates to those annual Bedini technology conferences.  You can attend the conference and talk Bedini motors for three days but they will not actually tell you how they work.  People would be much better off learning the basics about how things actually work and that can be done for free if you want to.

So have fun with your Quanta Magnetics motor but the reality is that it's over priced for what you get and any hints or suggestions from Quanta Magnetics or from you that the device is somehow extraordinary are not true.  Even the business of using the term "self powering" when it is running off of the huge supercapacitor bank is disingenuous and misleading.  Anybody saying or suggesting that it's remarkable that the device can produce high voltages is disingenuous and misleading.  The Quanta Magnetics videos are filled with that kind of crap so buyer beware.

If you want to establish credibility when you experiment with the device, always quote your power in and power out or energy in or energy out measurements.  State your calculated efficiency when you do an experiment.  Explain where the losses are coming from.  That's something that Quanta Magnetics never ever does.  Don't rewire the setup while it is running and say, "Wow, now the cap bank is charging and we are still lighting the LEDs" without mentioning that this is happening because it is being powered by a lead-acid battery outputting XXX watts.  Don't ignore the reality of what is actually happening to make things sound good like Mr. Quanta Magnetics does.

Have fun with your setup but please be real.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 16, 2014, 07:54:32 PM
Thank you for your express, written, consent that you have absolutely nothing to prove.  :)

I accept the absence of any proof of your claim(s) including your claim the "G1 load test" was conducted by way of a hidden connection to an external battery as well as your unverifiable allegations of fraud and price gouging against quanta magnetics.

These are extremely serious allegations!
Are you (one with "nothing to prove") prepared to put your money where your mouth is by way of proof of your claim(s) authored and certified under penalty of perjury?
Apparently you are NOT!   :D

If you are not interested in these experiments then . . . WHY are you here silly one?!? ::)

The mere fact you are here bringing such strong opinions and attempts to discredit these experiments, before they are conducted and still on page ONE of this forum, only appears to serve as evidence there is something more to this story and these experiments.
Otherwise; who would bother to make such strong attempts to influence our free will decisions to conduct these experiments by way of such damaging, commercially injurious, UN-verifiable claims for which you may be held liable? It does appear there may be an unknown motive...

Yes indeed; I MIGHT, someday, decide to sell an older experimental test bed some time in the future.
But not while a troll is standing next to me and yelling "highway robbery" and causing these obvious commercial injuries and damages to the value of these assets in blatant violation of these laws and policies including those of this web site.

You appear to be producing a lot of hot air.
But don't mind me; I am merely walking this path of discovery and enlightenment while also producing these original issue assets for the good of all...  8)

Please stop damaging our assets... :P

What, if anything, positive do you have to offer beyond your mere opinions, frivolous claims, and obvious arrogance regarding your apparent ignorance of material facts and these Laws?  ???

Does ignorance of these laws, or the true value of an asset, excuse anyone?

What care, I, the mere opinion that somebody else MIGHT be able to do it cheaper?
I do not. They obviously know the true value of their stuff...  ;)

Kindest regards and please forgive my acceptance of your position(s) and express consent.

}:>

I will state that it's ridiculously over-priced for what you get and people can agree or disagree or listen to or ignore what I have to say.

With respect to what the device does, there is absolutely nothing for me to prove.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 16, 2014, 08:41:40 PM
Scorch:

Have fun with your device but why not drop the pretentious pseudo legalese and the stuff about "damaging your assets?"  You have a very expensive shiny pulse motor and there are other ways to do the same thing at a fraction of the cost.  It's the simple truth.

Nor am I discrediting the experiments, they will all be perfectly normal and people can learn from them.  But hinting or suggesting that "something special" is going on by you or Quanta Magnetics is wrong.  Many people around here are very wary of that and they have been burned many times in the past.  That can be a small-scale burn like the people that ordered their own custom PCBs and parts and did Akula replications expecting to achieve over unity because of Akula's fake lying YouTube clips or a large-scale burn like the people that have given more than $120,000 USD to the Fix the World organization plus all of the replication groups that have probably spent between $5000 and $7500 for their replications.  What did they get in return for all of that?  The answer is nothing.

So go ahead and do your thing.  Just keep in mind that you simply have an ordinary pulse motor and an ordinary generator.  If you want to spend $500 on a bank of supercapacacitors, go ahead.  Honestly, though, the average experimenter would be wiser to only spend $50 on supercapacitors.

And I will remind you that if you make any claims that are extraordinary you will have to prove them.  I am not making any claims, I am just stating that your setup will act in a normal and expected fashion.  There is absolutely nothing for me to prove.

The purpose of this discussion was to put Quanta Magnetics and their expensive products in context and state that there are other ways of doing the same thing much more effectively and at far less cost.  For understanding the electronics behind what is going on, there are many sources of information to tap into but the clips from Quanta Magnetics offer almost nothing in that department.

So the points have been made and good luck with your thread.  If people choose to try some of your experiments with their own builds then that's great.  But certainly there is no need to buy one of these things to replicate what you are doing.  Some people may indeed choose to buy a device from Quanta Magnetics, or to buy your device off of you when you are finished with it.  If they read this discussion then at least they will be better informed.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: minnie on October 16, 2014, 09:35:02 PM



    Scorch, others are just trying to protect gullible people from getting their
  fingers burned!
                     John.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 16, 2014, 09:38:02 PM
Scorch:

About the clip, "G1 Load Test 2":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKw7c0UjYkM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKw7c0UjYkM)

He says, "Demonstration:  A G1-Gyro charge output will continue while operating a floodlight, and also continue to charge for a duration in a total power OFF mode."

You state about this clip:

"appears to show promising results, such as this very intriguing *test of the G1"

"I accept the absence of any proof of your claim(s) including your claim the "G1 load test" was conducted by way of a hidden connection to an external battery"

WTF, the guy says that the device is connected to an external battery pack at 1:36 in the clip!

As far as the "load test" goes, that clip is typical of the Quanta Magnetics clips.  He is powering his pulse motor/generator and lighting up a bunch of LEDs with the pulse motor back-spikes or by the rectified generator output or by both.  He makes no measurements of any consequence and arrives at no real conclusions.  It's nothing more than a demonstration of putting a lossy electro-mechanical pulse motor between the battery and the LED load.  The motor can run on after the battery is disconnected from the stored mechanical inertia and/or with the energy stored in the capacitors.  Big deal.

There is nothing promising or remarkable about that and for me there is nothing intriguing going on.  The clip is a dud that says next to nothing.

That's just a reality check for you from somebody that is reasonably experienced with electronics.  Please contemplate this.  When you do your experiments you need to always keep your eye on the "energy ball" and ask yourself "Does this setup I am trying out have any merit?"  That's how you learn.  Don't take it for granted that something is "intriguing," you have to investigate it, do the real thing.

At the end of the clip he says, "It takes a few minutes for it to wind down too while it continues to generate some energy."   Generate some energy my ass.  While it is winding down it is continuously decreasing in energy and producing waste heat energy.  This is supposed to be a quasi-serious load test, and to say "it continues to generate some energy" is totally disingenuous.  If the energy is transforming from one form to another form during the wind-down then he should be stating that.  If you make some test clips yourself, the kind of stuff that I am stating is the level of analysis you should be striving for.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Groundloop on October 16, 2014, 10:09:37 PM
Scorch:

Have fun with your device but why not drop the pretentious pseudo legalese and the stuff about "damaging your assets?"  You have a very expensive shiny pulse motor and there are other ways to do the same thing at a fraction of the cost.  It's the simple truth.

Nor am I discrediting the experiments, they will all be perfectly normal and people can learn from them.  But hinting or suggesting that "something special" is going on by you or Quanta Magnetics is wrong.  Many people around here are very wary of that and they have been burned many times in the past.  That can be a small-scale burn like the people that ordered their own custom PCBs and parts and did Akula replications expecting to achieve over unity because of Akula's fake lying YouTube clips or a large-scale burn like the people that have given more than $120,000 USD to the Fix the World organization plus all of the replication groups that have probably spent between $5000 and $7500 for their replications.  What did they get in return for all of that?  The answer is nothing.

So go ahead and do your thing.  Just keep in mind that you simply have an ordinary pulse motor and an ordinary generator.  If you want to spend $500 on a bank of supercapacacitors, go ahead.  Honestly, though, the average experimenter would be wiser to only spend $50 on supercapacitors.

And I will remind you that if you make any claims that are extraordinary you will have to prove them.  I am not making any claims, I am just stating that your setup will act in a normal and expected fashion.  There is absolutely nothing for me to prove.

The purpose of this discussion was to put Quanta Magnetics and their expensive products in context and state that there are other ways of doing the same thing much more effectively and at far less cost.  For understanding the electronics behind what is going on, there are many sources of information to tap into but the clips from Quanta Magnetics offer almost nothing in that department.

So the points have been made and good luck with your thread.  If people choose to try some of your experiments with their own builds then that's great.  But certainly there is no need to buy one of these things to replicate what you are doing.  Some people may indeed choose to buy a device from Quanta Magnetics, or to buy your device off of you when you are finished with it.  If they read this discussion then at least they will be better informed.

MileHigh

Milehigh,

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"That can be a small-scale burn like the people that ordered their own custom PCBs"
End quote

People did not get "burned" on the PCB's at all, because I gave them to people for free, and so did the owner of the OUR forum.
And, I did make the PCB's by request form a OUR forum member. I also made a version-2 of the PCB's, also given away for free,
that allows people to experiment with various setups.

GL.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 17, 2014, 05:50:34 PM
Yes, but,... do you have anything positive to offer after no less than 4 different messages full this negativity?
You speak as if from authority on these systems but I see no evidence or record that you have conducted any personal, hands on, experiments with any of these systems as I am doing, and I believe no such evidence or record exists.

And, yes, there is an APPEARANCE of something promising. A POSSIBILITY.  ;D

In consideration I am in regular communications with the inventor and actually posses a G1 kit, would you believe I might know a thing, or two, about the system that was withheld or not very obvious in the video?
Would you believe that any claim of a system with efficiency greater than 70% is a threat to national security of many countries?
Therefore any such claims are not offered lightly and most, with personal experiences in such things, are simply VERY careful about what they claim or demonstrate.

The battery pack he refers to is a small battery on the back of the machine working in conjunction with the two ultra capacitor banks.
The system voltage, that is rising, appears to include this 'start up' battery which is an internal component of the system and system voltage.

Please cease your assuming, presuming, and arguing based on the UNKNOWN and, if you insist on continuing your input, please bring something more constructive to this board.

Kindest regards;

}:>

Scorch:

About the clip, "G1 Load Test 2":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKw7c0UjYkM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKw7c0UjYkM)

He says, "Demonstration:  A G1-Gyro charge output will continue while operating a floodlight, and also continue to charge for a duration in a total power OFF mode."

You state about this clip:

"appears to show promising results, such as this very intriguing *test of the G1"

"I accept the absence of any proof of your claim(s) including your claim the "G1 load test" was conducted by way of a hidden connection to an external battery"

WTF, the guy says that the device is connected to an external battery pack at 1:36 in the clip!

As far as the "load test" goes, that clip is typical of the Quanta Magnetics clips.  He is powering his pulse motor/generator and lighting up a bunch of LEDs with the pulse motor back-spikes or by the rectified generator output or by both.  He makes no measurements of any consequence and arrives at no real conclusions.  It's nothing more than a demonstration of putting a lossy electro-mechanical pulse motor between the battery and the LED load.  The motor can run on after the battery is disconnected from the stored mechanical inertia and/or with the energy stored in the capacitors.  Big deal.

There is nothing promising or remarkable about that and for me there is nothing intriguing going on.  The clip is a dud that says next to nothing.

That's just a reality check for you from somebody that is reasonably experienced with electronics.  Please contemplate this.  When you do your experiments you need to always keep your eye on the "energy ball" and ask yourself "Does this setup I am trying out have any merit?"  That's how you learn.  Don't take it for granted that something is "intriguing," you have to investigate it, do the real thing.

At the end of the clip he says, "It takes a few minutes for it to wind down too while it continues to generate some energy."   Generate some energy my ass.  While it is winding down it is continuously decreasing in energy and producing waste heat energy.  This is supposed to be a quasi-serious load test, and to say "it continues to generate some energy" is totally disingenuous.  If the energy is transforming from one form to another form during the wind-down then he should be stating that.  If you make some test clips yourself, the kind of stuff that I am stating is the level of analysis you should be striving for.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 17, 2014, 05:55:34 PM
Sounds great!
Please do this from a verifiable authority (such as verifiable evidence) not based on assumptions, presumptions, or hearsay.   :)

I see no evidence of fraud requiring people be 'protected', or that any people have asked for our protection, and I believe so such evidence exists.

Kindest regards;

}:>




    Scorch, others are just trying to protect gullible people from getting their
  fingers burned!
                     John.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: minnie on October 17, 2014, 07:38:40 PM



   Just a bit of fun with a pun!
                John.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 17, 2014, 08:52:54 PM
Scorch:

Quote
You speak as if from authority on these systems but I see no evidence or record that you have conducted any personal, hands on, experiments with any of these systems as I am doing, and I believe no such evidence or record exists.

I was the architect and did the paper napkin design for an op-amp-based pulse motor.  TinselKoala did the actual circuit design and physical design and did the building and testing.  You can just search on "MHOP pulse motor" and you will find his YouTube clips and it's discussed in a thread on this site also.  This pulse motor design will outperform any Bedini-style pulse motor and overall is a much more advanced and efficient design.  It may "push the boundaries" for Bedini-style pulse motors but from a true engineering perspective it's ordinary.  So it's ordinary or it's amazing bleeding-edge technology depending on your perspective.  I could just about analyze any pulse motor in my sleep.

Quote
And, yes, there is an APPEARANCE of something promising. A POSSIBILITY.

I don't buy the tease with zero information.  If you have something concrete to say, then say it.  Teasing in the realm of free energy is often a cynical ploy to manipulate.

Appearance of what?  Possibility of what?

Quote
In consideration I am in regular communications with the inventor and actually posses a G1 kit, would you believe I might know a thing, or two, about the system that was withheld or not very obvious in the video?

Not from what I see right now, but you could surprise me.  Plus you are teasing again.  It would be fantastic if you refrained from teasing altogether and just be straight.

Withheld what?  What's not obvious?

Quote
Would you believe that any claim of a system with efficiency greater than 70% is a threat to national security of many countries?
Therefore any such claims are not offered lightly and most, with personal experiences in such things, are simply VERY careful about what they claim or demonstrate.

You are playing the MIB card for a simple pulse motor and that's ridiculous.  That's another ploy that is often used to manipulate people.  If you want credibility with me then you will refrain from doing that.  Like I said, I could practically analyze that thing in my sleep and there would be no surprises.  If you continue to play the MIB card for a simple pulse motor I would call it shill marketing.  Please focus on your experiments with the motor and your measurements and interpretations and conclusions.

Quote
The battery pack he refers to is a small battery on the back of the machine working in conjunction with the two ultra capacitor banks.
The system voltage, that is rising, appears to include this 'start up' battery which is an internal component of the system and system voltage.

I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy so I will translate that for you:  The motor in the clip was powered by an external battery.

As far as the ultra capacitor banks go, they are never sources of energy themselves.  They just store energy and the source for that energy is typically the battery.  I would request that you always keep that in mind when you mention them.  Saying, "The pulse motor is now being powered by the capacitor bank" could be misinterpreted by people that are reading that are beginners to pulse motors.  Saying, "The pulse motor is now being powered up by the capacitor bank that was initially charged up by the battery" would be much better.

You will notice I asked you four direct questions where you were just hinting at something.  If you answer them with straightforward answers then great.  If you choose to bob and weave or simply ignore them then the people reading will take note of that.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 18, 2014, 01:35:22 AM
In your sleep? Excellent! Please do so!!   :)

Because, at this point, we basically have zero information about the G1 beyond three videos and only a mere APPEARANCE of a possible interesting effect therefore this is ALL talk about the UNKNOWN. ;)

I'm really looking foreword to you actually performing an unbiased, neutral, analysis beyond a mysterious video or mere assumption about a device you already decided is to expensive to actually buy, build, and analyse.

Do not come to me for answers you already think you know.

I am the first to admit I know nothing about G1 at this point so do not expect any answers from me until I actually know more about it through my own hands on experience and testing.
Do you support this effort to learn more about it and discover the answers we seek beyond mere hearsay, assumptions and presumptions?

And, BTW, the proposed analysis is what I am actually doing, not while asleep, but fully conscious with eyes and mind wide open.  ;D
Care to provide any, positive, constructive support for these efforts that may take months or even years to perform a complete analysis?

Analyse - To examine in detail in order to discover meaning, essential features, etc. 2. to break down into components or essential features.
Assumption - A thing that is accepted as true, or as certain to happen, without proof such as a verifiable, detailed, documented analysis.

Here is what I THINK I know about G1-
-Three magnetic motor rotors to provide for magnetic flux on both sides of each coil pair which could be described as a "Tri Pole" motor. A feature I have never seen before in this type of system.
-A substantial inertial mass, stainless steel, flywheel storing kinetic energy. Another feature I have not seen in this type of pulse motor system.
-High efficiency, three phase, alternator. Another feature I have never tried installing on any of my past pulse motor projects.
-Flywheel and alternator is "open synchronized". There is no direct connection between the motor and the flywheel-alternator section. Which, yet again, I have never seen this before in any such system which may produce the effect of: Sudden heavy surge, or "spike", loads do not effect motor rpm.
-Alternator small enough to be mounted INSIDE the diameter of the flywheel resulting in mechanical leverage advantages for inertial-kinetic energy to alternator. And, I guess I'll say it again, haven't seen this either in any pulse motor.
-Resonate system resonating in harmony with the Schumann resonance of our mother earth. Please show me another pulse motor, already built, that does this.

So, yes, I'm really looking forward to analyzing this device and these new ideas I have never seen used together in this manner.

Kindest regards;

}:>

PS: On a side note; it appears some of the developers of the QEG projects have finally discovered the Schumann resonance...
See:
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/qeg-project-updates-and-transformations/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/qeg-project-updates-and-transformations/)

Where the following statement may be discovered-
“After our latest testing we’ve discovered that conditioning the core requires having a resonant antenna tunable to a range of frequencies centered on 7 MHz, not 1.3 MHz as originally informed by our teacher (WITTS). There is no reference for this procedure so we are still diligently working on it as fast as we can.
I had to redesign the initial antenna system which will be installed on my property in about a week. We are currently rebuilding the antenna based on new data gathered from using the first one since 6th of August, and from experimentation. The goal is to increase the atmospheric energy flow to the point where we can meter it reliably, and determine an estimated time to completion based on those readings. We will release that information, along with more technical details, as soon as we know.”
-James Robitalle


}:>


Scorch:

I could just about analyze any pulse motor in my sleep.

MileHigh
Is this arrogance?
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: TinselKoala on October 18, 2014, 03:42:09 AM
Quote
In consideration I am in regular communications with the inventor and actually posses a G1 kit, would you believe I might know a thing, or two, about the system that was withheld or not very obvious in the video?

Quote
I am the first to admit I know nothing about G1 at this point so do not expect any answers from me until I actually know more about it through my own hands on experience and testing.

(snip)

Is this arrogance?

Or is it just another case of someone who doesn't actually know what he doesn't know, and much of what he thinks he does know... is wrong? And I am not talking about MH here.


MHOP:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9

And one choice video from the list:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5I_BM4E00E&list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9&index=10

Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: TinselKoala on October 18, 2014, 03:53:52 AM
Quote
On a side note; it appears some of the developers of the QEG projects have finally discovered the Schumann resonance...

ORLY? Please feel free to indicate just how and why 7 megaHertz corresponds to the Schumann resonance.

Quote
Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum[1] beginning at 3 Hz and extend to 60 Hz,[2] and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83 (fundamental),[3] 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.
----
The higher resonance modes are spaced at approximately 6.5 Hz intervals, a characteristic attributed to the atmosphere's spherical geometry. The peaks exhibit a spectral width of approximately 20% on account of the damping of the respective modes in the dissipative cavity. The 8th partial lies at approximately 60 Hz.
From the WIKI.

So what is the number of the harmonic IF ANY that corresponds to 7 MHz? What is its expected amplitude?  Why did Robitaille show a strong peak on his spectrum analyzer at 1.3 MHz (the frequency, within 20 kHz, of eleven standard broadcast AM stations in his vicinity), justify it with calculations, erect an antenna, tune to that frequency... only much later to decide, without similar justification, that 1.3 MHz wasn't right but 7 MHz was?



Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: TinselKoala on October 18, 2014, 04:13:29 AM
@MH: Now you've got me looking at the MHOP again! Remember this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xajlH6wkj_0
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 18, 2014, 04:42:19 AM
Forgive my failure to be more specific and here is the correction of my communications errors as per nunc pro tunc-

Rescinded-
["In consideration I am in regular communications with the inventor and actually posses a G1 kit, would you believe I might know a thing, or two, about the system that was withheld or not very obvious in the video?"]

Clarified
-
In consideration I am in regular communications with the inventor and actually posses a G1 kit, would you believe I might know a thing, or two, about the development of the system that was not very obvious in the video?

Rescinded-
["I am the first to admit I know nothing about G1 at this point so do not expect any answers from me until I actually know more about it through my own hands on experience and testing."]

Clarified
-
I am the first to admit I know nothing about G1, that I have never seen (his) and haven't built yet (mine), at this point so do not expect any answers from me until I actually know more about it through my own hands on experience and testing.

Rescinded-
["Is this arrogance?"]

Clarified-
Is it arrogant to claim true knowledge regarding the unknown?
Such as the system I am about to build and intend to share here provided I do not find myself distracted by to much negativity here.

nunc pro tunc
As it was now it is.
Said and done.

Thank you for pointing out my failure(s).   :)

This is why I am here. To learn.  Why are you here?

I came here to share and learn from my brand new experience of building this brand new experiment.

What did you come here for?

Would you like me to share my stuff here including any knowledge I might gain from this experiment?

Kindest regards;

}:>




Or is it just another case of someone who doesn't actually know what he doesn't know, and much of what he thinks he does know... is wrong? And I am not talking about MH here.


MHOP:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9 (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9)

And one choice video from the list:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5I_BM4E00E&list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9&index=10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5I_BM4E00E&list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9&index=10)
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 18, 2014, 05:16:15 AM
Scorch:

I can see exactly where you are coming from.  So have fun playing with your pulse motor.  From your perspective you are "exploring the big unknown."  From my perspective I can clearly see that it's just another pulse motor, the behaviour of which is fully understood.

Why would I say that I can practically analyze any pulse motor in my sleep?  The answer is because when you look at a pulse motor on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of complexity and difficulty to understand and analyze, it's only a 1 out of 10.  So yes, present me with an electronics circuit with a 1 out of 10 difficulty level, and I can understand it with my eyes closed. Present me with an electronics circuit that's an 8 out of 10 in terms of complexity and difficulty, and I would have to work seriously on it.

So it's not arrogance, it's simply because it's a circuit that is so simple and straightforward.

This is a scale that is relative to someone that has education and training in electronics.  So I hope that you now understand the context.

When you talk "Schumann resonance" you are leading yourself down a garden path.  What precisely is the Schumann resonance?  How could the Schumann resonance possibly interact with my pulse motor?

It appears that you don't have the answer to either of the two aforementioned questions.  All that you are doing is blindly believing that there must be something going on there because you have read it many times in the realm of free energy and the forums.  The entire notion is complete and utter crap.  So if you are a serious and responsible researcher and you do your research and testing, then you should come back and post, "I did my research and now I understand that discussing the Schumann resonance in relation to my pulse motor is nonsense.  I retract all statements relating the Schumann resonance and my pulse motor."

So, you can see clearly that you are starting out on the wrong foot when it comes to this Schumann business.  It's just one of many myths that is pervasive on the free energy forums.  That's why there is a thread here called, "Magnet Myths and Misconceptions."  It's an attempt to break the vicious cycle.

Good luck testing your motor.  Be very cautious and don't buy into a lot of stuff just because you heard it on a free energy forum and you think it is true.  Do your own due diligence.

In a best case scenario after several months you would come back and say, "Yes, my pulse motor is a very simple device with a typical efficiency of about 30%-40% power-in to power-out.  In the final analysis I realize that a pulse motor does not really do anything of practical application, although it does have merit as a teaching tool to learn about some aspects of electronics."

That's the real deal on pulse motors and I realize that it's a long shot that you would really and truly get up the leaning curve and come to that realization.  I can already see the pattern.  It takes years to really learn about electronics.  Going back to the motor itself, that's one of the main reasons that it's crazy to spend upwards of $4000 on one, it doesn't actually do anything of practical value.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: TinselKoala on October 18, 2014, 07:31:41 AM
I believe he's talking about the Schumann resonance in the context of the QEG and the "7MHz" frequency, not in some relation to the Quanta design or other pulse motors.

Why am I here? This question is not new. Among other reasons, I see a lot of really creative and talented people wasting their time on things that have no hope whatsoever of working out as they believe. Gravity wheels ala Bessler and permanent magnet motors  are two such things. Bedini variants like the Quanta design are fun to play with but they will never attain any kind of real "OU" and in fact will ruin good batteries fairly quickly. In some cases they can rejuvenate sulfated batteries but there are even better ways to do that. So when I see people spending lots of money, lots of time, and lots of creative energy on something that is a known and proven dead end, I speak up about it. And I usually get insulted for it... but nobody has refuted me yet. Meanwhile I build and test various things that appeal to me along the way, and I think that it is at least arguable that I am producing effects that are as interesting, or more so, than the run of the mill Bedini motors, Slayer Exciters, and etc.  I think I have helped a few people understand their oscilloscopes a little better, I have uncovered a few false claimants and I have shown that some claimed effects are actually real, if misinterpreted by their claimants.  My feeling is that people who are trying to replace the old paradigm with a new one, need first to understand the old one. If you are claiming OU performance, like the resonating QEG Morocco team did, then I for one think that you should be able to make proper measurements, interpret and calculate with them properly, and your measurements should support your claims. SO when I see people making claims without support, like the "7MHz Schumann resonance" claim... I want to see support for it. If support isn't forthcoming then I know into which category to file the claim.

Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: tinman on October 18, 2014, 04:18:53 PM
@MH: Now you've got me looking at the MHOP again! Remember this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xajlH6wkj_0
Schematic for the ring oscillator please TK,as i couldnt quite make out the exact conection from the birds nest.

Cheers
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: gyulasun on October 18, 2014, 06:06:51 PM
Schematic for the ring oscillator please TK,as i couldnt quite make out the exact conection from the birds nest.

Cheers

Hi Brad,

See this post, the last video,  MHOP#14 includes what you need.

http://www.overunity.com/14169/bedini-sg-notes/msg395115/topicseen/#msg395115 (http://www.overunity.com/14169/bedini-sg-notes/msg395115/topicseen/#msg395115) 

Gyula
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: TinselKoala on October 18, 2014, 08:38:53 PM
Yes, they are all in the last part of that #14 video.

I couldn't find a copy of the 2-neon version but here's the 5 bulb version, designed with full wave bridge for connecting to a HV AC output. Just chop off the stages you don't need!

The 2-bulb version just used a single rectifier diode instead of the FWB because it was designed for the pulsed DC output of the MHOP. You can still use a FWB if you want to.

I think I used a 0.22 uF cap for the timing capacitor in the 2-bulb version. Smaller = faster oscillation.
The larger reservoir cap on the left can be any value, the larger the longer it will run (and the longer it will take to charge fully of course). Capacitor voltage ratings should be 200 V or greater.

I also have a low voltage version using LEDs and 2n7000 mini-mosfets but I can't find the schematic at the moment.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 19, 2014, 12:08:24 AM
Hell, I ran my pulse motor from my earth battery about 5 years ago.  That was 0 input from me yet I was charging a 9 volt battery.  That, to me, is way more than will ever be seen from this $4,000+ kit.  I am not, nor did I then, claim overunity as the energy was coming from a known source (the earth) but, as I said, good luck getting results like that from that very expensive boat anchor made of plexi-glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY)


Bill
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 19, 2014, 01:29:34 AM
How refreshing. An honest answer to an honest question! Thank you.  :)

Free will certainly is allowed.

In consideration I will never fully comprehend the realities and belief systems of another, and that we all learn through our own trial & error experiences and, in fact; many typically learn the MOST from their own failures, how can I possibly claim they are wasting their time? I do not know them. I do not walk in their shoes. I am not familiar with their realities.  ???

By what authority does one decide, for another man, they are "wasting their time or money"?

Is it acceptable to allow them and their own, unique, creative processes to be free and unimpaired by my own desire to control others merely because I happen to believe, that particular day, "what is best' for another man?

Is it acceptable for us to be self determined and make our own educated (or uneducated) decision to 'waste' our money on something like a few millilitres of ink for $18.00, or a $20,000.00 sail boat we rarely sail, or a $5,000.00 fur suit we only wear a couple times per year at conventions just to have our group picture taken?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/anthrocon-2014/2014FursuitGroupPhotoHuge.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/anthrocon-2014/2014FursuitGroupPhotoHuge.jpg)
Or, for that matter, an experimental electronics kit from Radio Shack, Amazon, or Quanta Magnetics?  ;)

Is it acceptable for me to be truly free and conduct my own experiments to gain such experiential knowledge on my own and without interference merely because somebody else believes I am "doing it wrong"?

Has anybody asked for help? And, if so, what are the details including the cause and nature of that request?  Have any scientific discoveries ever been revealed merely by following in the footsteps of others who had believed they arrived at a "dead end"?

Are my efforts to gain experiential knowledge, by building something new, a "dead end"?  Or will I gain actual knowledge by building an experimental kit sold for the express purpose of educational experimentation and gaining knowledge about these alternative energy systems?

I am walking this path and nobody else has the authority to dictate my path.
Unless, of course, they claim to be a slave owner and master over another man...
At which point; I might request proof of his claim he owns another man.  ???

I see no evidence that knowledge gained by way of building such experimental kits, trial & error experiments, or merely hands on experience of building such things, is a "Waste of my time" or a "dead end" and I believe no such evidence exists.

I see no evidence that I have requested the assistance of another to "save me" from "wasting my money" or following "dead end" paths, and I believe no such evidence exists.

So you have consciously decided to have a problem with the way somebody else spends their money or conducts his experiments or shares his stuff here. Your free will decision to have this problem is certainly allowed. So... what remedy do you so desire to solve this problem you decided to have? What would you like that somebody else to do for you?

And what shall be the term, condition(s), and consideration for him to perform his services, at your request specifically for you, to help you solve your chosen problem that you brought to him?

I do this for a living.
I am a well compensated problem solver performing these services for assisting others to solve the problems they decided to have or deal with in their own realities.   8)

Kindest regards;

}:>



Why am I here? This question is not new. Among other reasons, I see a lot of really creative and talented people wasting their time on things that have no hope whatsoever of working out as they believe. . . . So when I see people spending lots of money, lots of time, and lots of creative energy on something that is a known and proven dead end, I speak up about it.. . . 
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 19, 2014, 01:48:35 AM
Am I expecting any particular results from a totally experimental test bed with a multitude of possible configurations and experiments?  ???

Has there been any claim of over-unity?
And if a system appears to be self running, possibly collecting energy from the source field, is this actual "over unity' or merely a conversion process to convert one form of energy into another form?

Just food for thought anyway.  :)

Other than a few videos that appear to be interesting to me; I see no evidence there has been any expressed claim of "over-unity" from Quanta Magnetics or that "over-unity" can even be properly defined in this context of mere DIY experiments, energy conversions, daily discoveries, and growing scientific evidence of a 'source field', and I believe no such evidence exists.

Is it possible that a technology advanced enough that we fail to understand it; may appear to us as "magic"?
Would it be ok if I were to decide to believe in certain types of "magic" and allow such magic to exist in my own reality?

Is it possible I may enjoy building, learning from, and possessing many 'boat anchors"?

Kindest regards;

}:>

Hell, I ran my pulse motor from my earth battery about 5 years ago.  That was 0 input from me yet I was charging a 9 volt battery.  That, to me, is way more than will ever be seen from this $4,000+ kit.  I am not, nor did I then, claim overunity as the energy was coming from a known source (the earth) but, as I said, good luck getting results like that from that very expensive boat anchor made of plexi-glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY)


Bill
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 19, 2014, 02:17:32 AM
Scorch:

You said:

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I see no evidence there has been any expressed claim of "over-unity" from Quanta Magnetics

This clip from Quanta Magnetics:  "Gyroscopic Inertia Pulse Motor Generator DEMO - 3 new inventions - one machine."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8VdsWn-Q9Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8VdsWn-Q9Y)

At 2:39 Mike Kantz states, "Becasue this alternator fits within the space of the outer gyro weight and the innermost axis here, it does not kill the inertia of the gyro when this thing is under load."

That's a claim of over unity and it is pure BS, a lie.  Don't even try to state, "You can't be sure of this because you haven't built and tested his machine" because you would be making a fool of yourself.

Plus you have Mike Kantz playing the Tesla game, just like Fix the World and hundreds of others.  Then you have the nonsensical Schumann resonance claim from Mike Kantz which is more nonsensical BS, and you are avoiding that issue completely.

Plus, the "3 new inventions" claim is a joke.  I watched the clip and there is nothing there.  And of course you have the outrageous cost for these pulse motors.  I have lots of valid reasons for having issues with Quanta Magnetics.  At the same time I clearly stated that he is free to charge whatever he wants for his kits and people are free to discuss that issue if they want to.

And the one thing that is almost comical is that you are arguing against free speech and the free exchange of ideas on a forum where the explicit purpose of the forum is to engage in free speech and exchange ideas.  People have been fighting and dying for the First Amendment and with lots of verbal-ese and crazy contortions of logic you want to crush it.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 19, 2014, 07:56:07 AM
Hey MileHigh.  :)

I see what appears to be a mechanical advantage (leverage) there.
A mechanical advantage of the larger flywheel over the much smaller rotor of the alternator that serves to help preserve inertia and smooth out cogging feedback from the alternator.
I would not consider or call this advantage "over-unity" nor did I assume he portrayed that advantage as over-unity as you may have assumed.

A mechanical advantage is what may be accomplished by using different diameters of disks and rotors similar to that accomplished with gears or pulleys.
For example the 12" disk of a Q3 pulsed motor will have a 2:1 advantage over a 6" rotor of an alternator.
Or, in the case of the Q3 toroidal generator, the advantage is nearly 5:1.
These mechanical advantages may be very useful for the conservation of kinetic energy and conventional PM alternators that tend to have a 'cogging' effect under load.

There may be far more happening on many levels.
Mechanical advantages are only one aspect to consider.

And I believe flywheels perform better, or in different ways, when gear ratios are applied.
Just a thought from the physics point of view anyway.
This IS a moving, synchronous, system after all.
And there is something like 12 different parameters of adjustments and tuning...

Just need the correct ratios and synchronizers.  8)
And if it actually is a resonate system tuned to mother earth, and located within the spherical capacitor that is the planet and ionosphere, then locating the nearest ley line, or the junctions of dodecahedron shaped core, of this planet  may also be useful when considering all the physical aspects of this thing located and positioned within the source field...

Kindest regards;

}:>

Scorch:

You said:

This clip from Quanta Magnetics:  "Gyroscopic Inertia Pulse Motor Generator DEMO - 3 new inventions - one machine."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8VdsWn-Q9Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8VdsWn-Q9Y)

At 2:39 Mike Kantz states, "Becasue this alternator fits within the space of the outer gyro weight and the innermost axis here, it does not kill the inertia of the gyro when this thing is under load."

That's a claim of over unity and it is pure BS, a lie.  Don't even try to state, "You can't be sure of this because you haven't built and tested his machine" because you would be making a fool of yourself.


MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 19, 2014, 04:12:43 PM
Scorch:

At 2:39 Mike Kantz states, "Becasue this alternator fits within the space of the outer gyro weight and the innermost axis here, it does not kill the inertia of the gyro when this thing is under load."

Quote
I see what appears to be a mechanical advantage (leverage) there.
A mechanical advantage of the larger flywheel over the much smaller rotor of the alternator that serves to help preserve inertia and smooth out cogging feedback from the alternator.
I would not consider or call this advantage "over-unity" nor did I assume he portrayed that advantage as over-unity as you may have assumed.

You have to get real, Mike Kantz is lying.  Your backpedaling and frivolous discussion about "mechanical advantage" does not change a single thing.

"Mechanical advantage" is not even relevant to this discussion.  You have a flywheel that is say 14" in diameter.  It does not matter if the diameter of the generator attached to the flywheel is one inch, five inches, 10 inches, or 20 inches.  The only thing that counts is that the generator when powering an electrical load will draw rotational energy out of the flywheel.  If the generator is one inch in diameter and powering a two-watt load or eight inches in diameter and powering a two-watt load it will make no damn difference to the flywheel and the flywheel will slow down at the same rate.

Quote
Just a thought from the physics point of view anyway.

If you want to be able to analyze your pulse motor effectively you need to learn about real physics and real electronics.

Quote
And if it actually is a resonate system tuned to mother earth, and located within the spherical capacitor that is the planet and ionosphere, then locating the nearest ley line, or the junctions of dodecahedron shaped core, of this planet  may also be useful when considering all the physical aspects of this thing located and positioned within the source field...

There is no resonance happening anywhere with a pulse motor.  Your quoted comments above are almost as bad as the fake "Schumann resonance play" that Quanta Magnetics makes about their plain ordinary vanilla pulse motor that is not fundamentally different from any other pulse motor.  There is no such thing as "tuning a pulse motor to Mother Earth."  That is just ridiculous nonsense to appeal to the "New Age consciousness" crowd in an attempt to make a sale.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: minnie on October 19, 2014, 06:55:41 PM



  Poor old scorch trying to tout something like this on here is akin to the hapless
fellow who found wolf traps in a storage unit he bought.
   He then proceeded to take them to a woman who ran a wolf sanctuary for
appraisal, and guess what, she wasn't impressed!
            John.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 19, 2014, 07:53:55 PM
Hey MileHigh.  :)

This would depend on how "nit picky" I may want to be about these experiments.
My analysis may go no further that to confirm or deny the apparent affect in the video and I have no desire to become a PhD. in order to explain it in that particular language.  ;)

I am not real concerned about the physics at the atomic level and it's illogical to nit pick specific wording vocabulary of a mysterious video versus over-all intent and examination of the device.
I will be respectful and honorable to my fellow man-inventor and actually build it and learn, for myself, whether or not I might be able to confirm or deny some of the apparent results by way of my own replication of the same experiment.

A "peer review" so to speak. From one backyard inventor to another.
Although, considering the background of this inventor and his well designed products and professionalism, this inventor is apparently a little more than a mere "backyard inventor" working with spare parts and hardware store supplies. ;)

And, so until then, until I actually ACT in this respectful manner to honor my fellow man by reviewing his experiment; this is all talk and no action. :P

It may produce a unique effect or it may not.
But I am certainly not going to air such very serious accusations lightly and without any first hand knowledge such as actually examining the machine for myself.
Nor am I going to simply ignore possible discoveries merely because I hear somebody else say it's all BS (hearsay) who has not talked to the inventor and not replicated the specific experiment.

Without any proof of claim, of "lying" or "fraud", the allegations are merely hearsay opinions or frivolous claims from a party who has NOT actually performed any experiments with this specific test platform. :o

IF it does produce a unique effect that I may find useful for providing a little extra energy or demonstrating this effect for others; what care, I, the nature and cause?

Do I need to know all the tiny, little, intimate intricacies about how the machine works in order to use the machine by turning the switch on?  ???

Here is the scenario-
Party A says: "I am going to activate this black box and power my lights."
Party B says: "Don't do it because, in my reality, I believe it's impossible for this box to power your lights in your reality."
Party A accepts his claim, without proof of his claim, walks away and lives in darkness the rest of his life...

Is there an apparent effort to keep us in the dark?
At this point, and beyond a mere "good luck" statement, is there any evidence here of any positive, constructive, input about these interesting possibilities from any other user beside myself?
Has anybody here even considered or studied the sciences of the source field investigations complete with hundreds of verifiable, peer reviewed, scientific references?

And, if not, why not and what is purpose of this forum?!?

Isn't this forum supportive of these types of experiments exploring these types of systems?
Why is there an appearance of these efforts to discourage these experiments?

MileHigh -
Are you capable of providing any positive support for these possibilities we desire to explore per the stated purpose of this forum?

Kindest regards;

}:>


Scorch:

If you want to be able to analyze your pulse motor effectively you need to learn about real physics and real electronics.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 19, 2014, 09:57:49 PM


Is there an apparent effort to keep us in the dark?


And, if not, why not and what is purpose of this forum?!?

Isn't this forum supportive of these types of experiments exploring these types of systems?
Why is there an appearance of these efforts to discourage these experiments?

MileHigh -
Are you capable of providing any positive support for these possibilities we desire to explore per the stated purpose of this forum?

Kindest regards;

}:>


MH, along with several other smart (educated) guys on this forum serve a purpose to keep beginners and novice experimenters from going down blind alleys that have been explored fully before.  There is so much crap on the net and Youtube that excites these newcomers, even though they are nothing more than scam/fraud/faked videos and, lucky for us here on this forum, we have these guys that know better and attempt to save folks from spending hard earned money and time attempting to replicate a faked device.  MH, like the others, do not get paid for this valuable service...they do it in an attempt to promote real learning and experimentation. 

Do they know everything?  Of course not.  If you look at all of their posts over the years, there are times where TK, Mark E, and MH actually say..."I don't know" or "I am not sure what might be happening there."  It does not happen often, but it does happen.

TK, if he is confronted with something that appears to be outside of the generally accepted knowledge, will quickly build a replication and report all of his findings openly, wherever the chips may fall.  He does not have to do this.  In my opinion, the members of this forum are better because of this.  No one is paying any of these guys to share their hard earned knowledge with the rest of us.

MH does not do replications as far as I know, however, the opinions and conclusions he offers are usually supported by the other smart guys on here that do, so I am pretty sure he has spent a long time working in this field and knows what he is talking about.

So, the choice is yours, learn from these guys and respect their knowledge and be thankful they share it for FREE, or not and do it the hard way and keep rediscovering things that have never worked.

I love this forum and am grateful for all of the freely shared knowledge offered here which has taken me from a total newb, to someone that actually makes an interesting device every now and again.

Bill
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 19, 2014, 10:24:40 PM
Scorch:

What you have learned so far is that you have made many incorrect assumptions and statements.  You have been corrected so that you will be induced to stop and think and reassess your statements and realize that you need to address these issues if you want to grow and improve and get more out of your analysis of your motor.  You don't need a PhD for that.  Now beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if you were wise you would realize that my comments are in fact positive contributions to your efforts.

Reality:  Mike Kants is BSing when he claims that his flywheel will not slow down under load.  Talking about mechanical advantage in this case is nonsensical.

So it's up to you if you want to learn something and turn it into a positive, or just stick your head in the sand and keep marching forward talking pseudo-tech without substance and parroting stuff like the bit about the Schumann resonance.

Think:  Can you provide a rational and understandable reason precisely how and why a Quanta Magnetics pulse motor has something to do with the Schumann resonance?  Are you a parrot or can you think for yourself?

Don't hide behind the "you can't say anything unless you build the same setup" line.  That's just a cop out, a "get out of jail free card" so that you don't have to deal with real issues.  Let's say you go to a mechanic to service your car.  The guy has been a car mechanic for 25 years and has worked on thousands and thousands of cars.  Do you cay to the mechanic, "You have never worked on a 2002 Toyota Camry automatic and I have a 2002 Toyota Camry automatic so I am not going to let you service my car."  You don't say that, do you?  You would feel like an idiot if you said that face-to-face to your seasoned and experienced mechanic.  The same thing applies here.

Quote
Is there an apparent effort to keep us in the dark?

It's time for you to reassess and think about that statement.  Is that really true or is it just a fake attempt to hide your head in the sand and try to pretend that there is a "bad guy?"

Note your thread hasn't really started, you haven't done a single experiment.  Although I may comment once in a while, I have no intention of following it closely.

Also, please resize your posted images from now on.  I try to keep my images to 900 pixels wide or less.  Posting very large (wide) images makes it difficult for everybody to read the thread.

MileHigh

P.S.:  Bill, thank you for your posting of support.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 20, 2014, 01:39:58 AM
Hey MileHigh.  :)

This is correct. This subject was unintentionally created under the incorrect board of solid state, "kapanadze", devices and my message to Stephan requesting his assistance to move this subject to a more appropriate board has gone unanswered. So I merely created a new topic and I intend to abandon this one eventually and, hopefully, the admin will deal with it... eventually. . . .

In fact it's best I simply stop responding here which is perpetuating the thread.

And, of course, I will not be doing any experiments until I actually complete fabrication of the experimental test bed to experiment with.
Which will be detailed at a more appropriate forum here-
www.overunity.com/15030/gyroscopic-inertia-generator
Where it's best to comment there instead of here.

And, yes, I have noticed the image formatting has changed since all the work I did in the past here-
www.overunity.com/3842/muller-dynamo/msg376516

If I recall correctly; all the images used to remain small on this web site and I had to click on the file to see the large version which is the way it SHOULD be.
I prefer large images for better detail so, due to this web site failing to handle images and word wrap properly, this is kind of a catch 22 where larger images are prefered for detail but the web site is not accomodating these images like it should...

So what is the solution? Why has this changed?
How do we deal with really nice, clear, images but still maintain proper word wrap inside whatever the window size is?
Isn't this an issue for the web master?

My original images are typically high resolution images that are over 4000 pixels wide and they are already being down sized to around 1200 which looks ok on my monitor and not affecting word wrap here.
The fact is that it appears word wrap is not working at all and it just keeps generating a horizontal scroll bar instead of a wrap or sizing the image to the window....

Kindest regards;

}:>

Scorch:

Note your thread hasn't really started, you haven't done a single experiment.  Although I may comment once in a while, I have no intention of following it closely.

Also, please resize your posted images from now on.  I try to keep my images to 900 pixels wide or less.  Posting very large (wide) images makes it difficult for everybody to read the thread.

MileHigh

P.S.:  Bill, thank you for your posting of support.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 20, 2014, 02:12:24 AM


So what is the solution? Why has this changed?
Quote

It's called bandwidth.  That costs money and Stefan (Our gracious host)  has to deal with millions of posts, many of which have photos so, a compromise has to be reached.  I post everything at 800x600 and have no problems.  If needed in a certain situation, one could email a higher res photo to show some special detail although i would doubt that this would happen often.

Bill
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MarkE on October 20, 2014, 11:14:27 AM
Hey MileHigh.  :)

This would depend on how "nit picky" I may want to be about these experiments.
My analysis may go no further that to confirm or deny the apparent affect in the video and I have no desire to become a PhD. in order to explain it in that particular language.  ;)

I am not real concerned about the physics at the atomic level and it's illogical to nit pick specific wording vocabulary of a mysterious video versus over-all intent and examination of the device.
I will be respectful and honorable to my fellow man-inventor and actually build it and learn, for myself, whether or not I might be able to confirm or deny some of the apparent results by way of my own replication of the same experiment.

A "peer review" so to speak. From one backyard inventor to another.
Although, considering the background of this inventor and his well designed products and professionalism, this inventor is apparently a little more than a mere "backyard inventor" working with spare parts and hardware store supplies. ;)

And, so until then, until I actually ACT in this respectful manner to honor my fellow man by reviewing his experiment; this is all talk and no action. :P

It may produce a unique effect or it may not.
But I am certainly not going to air such very serious accusations lightly and without any first hand knowledge such as actually examining the machine for myself.
Nor am I going to simply ignore possible discoveries merely because I hear somebody else say it's all BS (hearsay) who has not talked to the inventor and not replicated the specific experiment.

Without any proof of claim, of "lying" or "fraud", the allegations are merely hearsay opinions or frivolous claims from a party who has NOT actually performed any experiments with this specific test platform. :o

IF it does produce a unique effect that I may find useful for providing a little extra energy or demonstrating this effect for others; what care, I, the nature and cause?

Do I need to know all the tiny, little, intimate intricacies about how the machine works in order to use the machine by turning the switch on?  ???

Here is the scenario-
Party A says: "I am going to activate this black box and power my lights."
Party B says: "Don't do it because, in my reality, I believe it's impossible for this box to power your lights in your reality."
Party A accepts his claim, without proof of his claim, walks away and lives in darkness the rest of his life...

Is there an apparent effort to keep us in the dark?
At this point, and beyond a mere "good luck" statement, is there any evidence here of any positive, constructive, input about these interesting possibilities from any other user beside myself?
Has anybody here even considered or studied the sciences of the source field investigations complete with hundreds of verifiable, peer reviewed, scientific references?

And, if not, why not and what is purpose of this forum?!?

Isn't this forum supportive of these types of experiments exploring these types of systems?
Why is there an appearance of these efforts to discourage these experiments?

MileHigh -
Are you capable of providing any positive support for these possibilities we desire to explore per the stated purpose of this forum?

Kindest regards;

}:>
Scorch if someone wants for whatever reason to explore by experimenting, I think that is a good thing to do.  There is a lot that one can learn from the process of experimenting even if they do not get the results that they hope, and even if the experiment reproduces experiments that have been previously conducted many times. 

If the results of a proposed experiment are predictable, then  I see no reason not to state the prediction.  If the individual wishes to proceed after seeing the predictions, then that is entirely up to them.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 20, 2014, 04:11:03 PM
Hey Bill.  :)

I am familiar with bandwidth.
Please explain:  How does the method a page displays an image or wraps text actually effect bandwidth?

Is it possible bandwidth may actually be conserved by NOT serving and displaying the full size image until user actually requests it by clicking on a thumbnail image or link?

Kindest regards;

}:>

It's called bandwidth.  That costs money and Stefan (Our gracious host)  has to deal with millions of posts, many of which have photos so, a compromise has to be reached.  I post everything at 800x600 and have no problems.  If needed in a certain situation, one could email a higher res photo to show some special detail although i would doubt that this would happen often.

Bill
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 20, 2014, 06:06:06 PM
Hey MileHigh.  :)

Please forgive my confusion and additional questions for the purposes of clarification and "reassessment" as you suggested.

Is the humble *question the same as a firm statement?  ???
*Asked for purpose of gaining information so one may reassess.

And what is the definition of a "bad guy" or "an apparent effort to keep us in the dark" in the context of this exploration of these possibilities?

Here is what I believe the definition might be:
"A guy who may interfere with scientific discovery processes by repeatedly claiming "it doesn't work", or author a lot of other negative claims, before he or I have actually built or tested the G1.".

Another possible definition might be:
"A guy who may interfere with this process by way of a substantial number of frivolous claims including, but not limited to,"spin zone", "cop out", "highway robbery", "lying", "pretending", "hiding","talking nonsense", "ignoring", "ridiculous", "fake attempt" and "impossible""
Just to name a few of the more recent and other definitions may be applicable.

Here are some other direct quotes of MileHigh from the last few days:
"I would advise everyone in the strongest possible terms to avoid Quanta Magnetics devices like the plague."
"pump it up so that you can dump it on someone else"
"he (Mike Kantz) barely knows what he is doing when it comes to electronics."
"Anybody saying or suggesting that it's remarkable that the device can produce high voltages is disingenuous and misleading."
[ Note: See scope voltage measurement here- www.overunity.com/15030/gyroscopic-inertia-generator/msg420509/#msg420509
And video of high voltage experiment here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kTzzAf_dw ]
"There is nothing promising or remarkable about that and for me there is nothing intriguing going on.  The clip is a dud that says next to nothing."
"Generate some energy my ass"
"...you are leading yourself down a garden path."
"All that you are doing is blindly believing..."
"The entire notion is complete and utter crap."
"...you are starting out on the wrong foot..."
"It's just one of many myths that is pervasive on the free energy forums."
"That's a claim of over unity and it is pure BS, a lie."
(In response to the video demonstration and Mike's dialogue: "Becasue this alternator fits within the space of the outer gyro weight and the innermost axis here, it does not kill the inertia of the gyro when this thing is under load.")
"...claim from Mike Kantz which is more nonsensical BS..."
"You have to get real, Mike Kantz is lying.  Your backpedaling and frivolous discussion..."
"That is just ridiculous nonsense to appeal to the "New Age consciousness" crowd in an attempt to make a sale."
(He wrote about Scorch who was merely referring to the verifiable, scientific, source field investigations and who is not actually selling anything.)
"...or just stick your head in the sand and keep marching forward talking pseudo-tech without substance and parroting stuff"
"Is that really true or is it just a fake attempt to hide your head in the sand and try to pretend that there is a "bad guy?"
"What you have learned so far is that you have made many incorrect assumptions and statements."
(As if he holds first hand knowledge of Scorch's reality therefore 'knows' what Scorch has learned...)

What have I learned?
I have learned there appears to be substantial negativity in just a few days.  :o
Is this a good thing or a bad thing? I don't know. *shrugs*
There usually are reasons for such things and I am first to admit I know nothing therefore I take no position that it's "good" or "bad".

It just IS. A mere neutral event.
Therefore I intend to merely continue moving forward to actually gain experiential knowledge BEFORE claiming "it does (or doesn't) work".  :)
See: www.overunity.com/15030/gyroscopic-inertia-generator/

Please forgive him as he knows, not, what he does and I see no evidence or record that a humble question is the same as a bold statement, or the existence of a proof of any of these or those claims, and I believe no such evidence or record exists.  8)

Kindest regards;

}:>

Scorch merely asked: "Is there an apparent effort to keep us in the dark?"
MileHigh wrote:
Scorch:

It's time for you to reassess and think about that statement.  Is that really true or is it just a fake attempt to hide your head in the sand and try to pretend that there is a "bad guy?"

MileHigh

P.S.:  Bill, thank you for your posting of support.

Does Bill support the negativity discovered throughout this record?
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 20, 2014, 07:24:58 PM
Scorch:

That's a nice try but it's a hollow attempt.  Every one of those points has a legitimate context.  Some of those points were made to you, but you didn't respond and you clammed up.  It would seem that you are afraid to address many of the issues raised.

When a free energy or alternative energy promoter is a "pro,"  i.e.; they are doing something professionally, I discuss their propositions and evaluate what they are doing based on reality.  They are evaluated relative to legitimate technology.  Are they offering something of value?  Are they being honest?  Do they know what they are talking about?  If someone is an amateur experimenter not looking to make a buck off of somebody else, I don't say anything, even if they are talking crazy nonsense.  Once in a while I may offer a helpful suggestion but that's it.

Fix the World are pros.  Ineligentry are pros.  Quanta Magnets is a pro.  If a "pro" organization offers something credible and of value and they know what they are talking about, I will say so.  If they offer something that's not credible, it's of very little value, and they don't know what they are talking about, I will say so also.  There are some people reading that can get something out of this.  All three of the aforementioned organizations fail miserably in all three categories.  Jamie Robitaille and John Rohner can barely punch their way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics, yet they promote themselves as electronics experts and they use that self-promotion to solicit funds from people and I take issue with that.

So, my impression is that you thought Quanta Magnetics offered somewhat pricey but great products and you collaborated with this guy and got support from him, etc, etc.  You thought his technology was great and amazing.  Now it comes as a shock to you to hear someone express a differing opinion and it's someone with a technical background.

You are not the issue, but if you stick like glue to Quanta Magnetics naturally some of what I say is going to be upsetting to you.  But I will repeat again, you are not the issue.  There has been negativity expressed about Quanta Magnetics and it's legitimate.  If you want to stick up for them then respond to the issues I have raised about them.  If you don't want to respond or can't respond then let it go.  You just bought a few kits from them, you don't have to be stuck to them like glue.

The abuse of technical language to pump up your product is a real issue if you are a pro.  "TPA" stands for "Toroidal Power Amplifier."  I see a toroid ferrite with two coils wrapped around it that is coaxial with the main shaft of the pulse motor.  That's not a "power amplifier" and it certainly does NOT amplify power.  Do you have anything to say about that fact?  Or do you just remain mute and accuse me of "negativity?"

Now is this next comment "negativity" or a "blunt technical critique?"  It looks like the "TPA" is a toroid that is coaxial with the pulse motor and there are spinning magnets inside it.  (see attached pic.)  I bet you thought that was pretty cool.  The harsh reality is this:  It's totally retarded, show that to a bunch of engineers and they would gasp in disbelief.  You probably didn't realize how ridiculous that design is.  For sure you will get something out of the two coils wrapped around the toroid, but it's still retarded.  It's almost like it's out of Monty Python's Flying Circus.  If you don't know why I am saying that, start yourself on a learning course about electronics in parallel with your experimentation with the motor.

Here is the clip again:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kTzzAf_dw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kTzzAf_dw)

There is no power amplification going on and demonstrating increased output voltage should be demonstrated and explained.  Unfortunately most likely Mike Kantz can't explain what is happening in that clip.

Here is a clip where it is clear that he cannot explain what is happening and there is no power amplification taking place:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3b3h2cEbHw&list=UUreJcMjYx-ovTpN4MomNNtw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3b3h2cEbHw&list=UUreJcMjYx-ovTpN4MomNNtw)

So what is positive in what I am saying?  Now you know the truth about Quanta Magnetics.  You are a little bit wiser.  I am still encouraging you to experiment to your heart's content with your pulse motor.  However, now you know that many "remarkable effects" shown by Quanta Magnetics are explainable and not remarkable.  You also know that Mike Kantz can't explain them himself.  That means if you invest some time and put some effort into experimenting and learning, in a few short months you will have far surpassed what you see from Quanta Magnetics.

Put it this way:  If you have a trusted movie reviewer and he or she tells you a new movie sucks, then you just saved a hundred bucks because you don't take your wife and kids out to see that movie.  That is a positive.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 20, 2014, 07:58:28 PM
Scorch:

The "TPA" is nothing more than a pick-up transformer added to the pulse motor shaft.  i,e.; It's nothing more than adding a generator pick-up coil setup attached to the pulse motor.  By definition, a transformer does not amplify power.  So calling it a "Toroidal Power Amplifier" is yet another lie.

HOWEVER, never in my life have I seen a toroidal ferrite core used as the core for a magnetic pick-up coil.  Toroidal cores are designed for usage as toroidal transformers.  They were never designed to be used as pick-up coils.

Nonetheless, the spinning magnet on the center axis of the toroidal core will induce changing flux through the core that the the pick-up cols will see and you will get an output.  But it is very unorthodox.  So much so, that you can say that the design is "retarded."  I doubt Mike Kantz realized this when he designed it.

Plus the pulse motor already has generator coils as part of the design.  What is the point in adding yet another set of generator coils?

Like I said to you before, every single clip from Quanta Magnetics is filled with gaffes, and he never offers anything of substance with respect to his voice-over beyond the most basic description of what is going on.  It's like that movie "Catch Me if you Can" where the protagonist bluffs his way through impersonating a doctor by watching some movies featuring doctors and some medical soap operas on TV.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on October 20, 2014, 08:48:22 PM
Hey MileHigh.  :)

Please forgive me but I am very busy making an honest, scientific method, attempt to replicate the experiment and results; therefore all this discussion about why it 'won't work' is absolutely irrelevant, very distracting from this scientific process others are attempting to follow, and detrimental to the spirit and intent of this forum.

Absolutely irrelevant until such time somebody actually does make an honest attempt to replicate the experiment by actually building it and attempting to replicate the apparent results.
THIS is what a peer review is. I am NOT qualified to peer review the experiment without actually reviewing the experiment through a hands on, scientific method, process including replication of the experiment.

Please forgive me and my choice to "clam up" and set aside all your irrelevant, negative, "same old song", opinions about how that, which you and I have not yet built, 'doesn't work' so that I may actually move forward.

And IF the replication of this experiment actually does reach a 'dead end', sometime in the future, then I might consider your opinions but, more than likely, I will seek a more neutral, unbiased, authority for assistance now that you have brought so much controversy about said unknown future.

Kindest regards;

}:>


Scorch:

That's a nice try but it's a hollow attempt.  Every one of those points has a legitimate context.  Some of those points were made to you, but you didn't respond and you clammed up.  It would seem that you are afraid to address many of the issues raised.

When a free energy or alternative energy promoter is a "pro,"  i.e.; they are doing something professionally, I discuss their propositions and evaluate what they are doing based on reality.  They are evaluated relative to legitimate technology.  Are they offering something of value?  Are they being honest?  Do they know what they are talking about?  If someone is an amateur experimenter not looking to make a buck off of somebody else, I don't say anything, even if they are talking crazy nonsense.  Once in a while I may offer a helpful suggestion but that's it.

Fix the World are pros.  Ineligentry are pros.  Quanta Magnets is a pro.  If a "pro" organization offers something credible and of value and they know what they are talking about, I will say so.  If they offer something that's not credible, it's of very little value, and they don't know what they are talking about, I will say so also.  There are some people reading that can get something out of this.  All three of the aforementioned organizations fail miserably in all three categories.  Jamie Robitaille and John Rohner can barely punch their way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics, yet they promote themselves as electronics experts and they use that self-promotion to solicit funds from people and I take issue with that.

So, my impression is that you thought Quanta Magnetics offered somewhat pricey but great products and you collaborated with this guy and got support from him, etc, etc.  You thought his technology was great and amazing.  Now it comes as a shock to you to hear someone express a differing opinion and it's someone with a technical background.

You are not the issue, but if you stick like glue to Quanta Magnetics naturally some of what I say is going to be upsetting to you.  But I will repeat again, you are not the issue.  There has been negativity expressed about Quanta Magnetics and it's legitimate.  If you want to stick up for them then respond to the issues I have raised about them.  If you don't want to respond or can't respond then let it go.  You just bought a few kits from them, you don't have to be stuck to them like glue.

The abuse of technical language to pump up your product is a real issue if you are a pro.  "TPA" stands for "Toroidal Power Amplifier."  I see a toroid ferrite with two coils wrapped around it that is coaxial with the main shaft of the pulse motor.  That's not a "power amplifier" and it certainly does NOT amplify power.  Do you have anything to say about that fact?  Or do you just remain mute and accuse me of "negativity?"

Now is this next comment "negativity" or a "blunt technical critique?"  It looks like the "TPA" is a toroid that is coaxial with the pulse motor and there are spinning magnets inside it.  (see attached pic.)  I bet you thought that was pretty cool.  The harsh reality is this:  It's totally retarded, show that to a bunch of engineers and they would gasp in disbelief.  You probably didn't realize how ridiculous that design is.  For sure you will get something out of the two coils wrapped around the toroid, but it's still retarded.  It's almost like it's out of Monty Python's Flying Circus.  If you don't know why I am saying that, start yourself on a learning course about electronics in parallel with your experimentation with the motor.

Here is the clip again:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kTzzAf_dw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kTzzAf_dw)

There is no power amplification going on and demonstrating increased output voltage should be demonstrated and explained.  Unfortunately most likely Mike Kantz can't explain what is happening in that clip.

Here is a clip where it is clear that he cannot explain what is happening and there is no power amplification taking place:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3b3h2cEbHw&list=UUreJcMjYx-ovTpN4MomNNtw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3b3h2cEbHw&list=UUreJcMjYx-ovTpN4MomNNtw)

So what is positive in what I am saying?  Now you know the truth about Quanta Magnetics.  You are a little bit wiser.  I am still encouraging you to experiment to your heart's content with your pulse motor.  However, now you know that many "remarkable effects" shown by Quanta Magnetics are explainable and not remarkable.  You also know that Mike Kantz can't explain them himself.  That means if you invest some time and put some effort into experimenting and learning, in a few short months you will have far surpassed what you see from Quanta Magnetics.

Put it this way:  If you have a trusted movie reviewer and he or she tells you a new movie sucks, then you just saved a hundred bucks because you don't take your wife and kids out to see that movie.  That is a positive.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 20, 2014, 11:11:07 PM
Scorch:

By all means please go ahead and experiment with your pulse motor.  But for example, replicating a high-voltage output experiment that is seen on a Quanta Magnetics clip with your setup and then stating that is a "confirmation of the effect" will not cut it.  You want to do the experiment and then explain how you got the high voltage.  That is the true scientific method.

To rebut what you say in your posting:  I never said it "won't work," you are making a false straw man argument.  What I have stated is totally relevant, and I am encouraging you to do your work scientifically, and it is in the spirit and intent of this forum.  As opposed to "same old song" you have been introduced to many new concepts from our discussion where chances are you never even heard of them before.

Pulsing an electromagnet to make a disk rotate or using coils to generate electricity from moving magnets or getting high voltages from a discharging inductor are universal concepts that will apply to any pulse motor/generator.  So indeed, having a very good understanding of how your particular pulse motor will perform even before you build and test it is a no-brainer.  It's nothing more than the application of the scientific method.

Please test and do measurements and generate good data and analyze and make inferences and draw up conclusions.  Also explain how and why things are happening as opposed to a "blind replication of the the 'effect.'"  People around here can help you do that.  That will put you light-years ahead of Quanta Magnetics.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 21, 2014, 03:30:55 AM



Does Bill support the negativity discovered throughout this record?



Bill, (That would be me) supports the truth, knowledge and learning.  If that somehow appears to you to be negative, then that is your problem and it is on you.

2+2=4.  If you don't believe that it does, or are not sure as you have not added it yourself, and someone here tells you it equals 4, that is NOT being negative.  It is being accurate and truthful.

Bill
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: TinselKoala on October 21, 2014, 04:07:43 AM
Exactly, MH.

You are referring to this Quanta "high voltage" clip, showing "600% AMPLIFIED VOLTAGE" (caps in original) ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kTzzAf_dw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kTzzAf_dw)

That's a pretty silly "demonstration" but if that is the standard to which we are working... fine, homie can play dat.

Using the same procedure, charging a capacitor from the Power Takeoff terminal of the MHOP, I get easily 1000% AMPLIFIED VOLTAGE.

The MHOP is powered by a split 12+12 volt supply, with 12 volts running the logic and 24 volts being switched into its coil, and I can very quickly charge a capacitor to over 250 volts, more than 10 times, or 1000 percent, of the input voltage. This happens with _no decrease in RPM_ and the same slight decrease, after a brief and small increase, in the input current, as shown in my previous video with the ring oscillator.

In other words, ONCE AGAIN the MHOP wins, hands down.  And by the intelligent application of known principles, on an apparatus that cost a couple weeks of _actual_ cooperative development and _actual_ experimentation, and about 20 dollars in parts. Over half of the complexity of the circuit is the optional strobe system, which uses a 555 timer as a pulse shortener and a 4017 as a divide-by-four pulse counter. Without these niceties the thing only uses one half of a TL082 op-amp comparator, and the power mosfet that actually switches the coil.

I have already presented a video showing the MHOP charging and powering a small neon ring oscillator. The presence of the neons somewhat restricts the voltage buildup in the ring oscillator's reservoir capacitor, but without any load on the reservoir, _as shown in the Quanta video_, it is easy to charge very rapidly to over 250 volts, on 24 volts input. A 10x or 1000 percent "voltage amplification".

Below you can see a scopeshot I just made, having dusted off the MHOP and turned it on. This shot is taken while the MHOP is also _recirculating_ power through one neon back to the battery supply, "charging" it in the standard "bedini" manner while at the same time running the rotor.

I am still waiting for someone to demonstrate something from some other pulse motor that is touted as being "overunity" or special in some way, that the MHOP can't do as well or better.

The MHOP self-starts when power is applied, runs stably driving a propeller load, produces high voltage spikes and "radiant", recirculates those spikes back to its own batteries, can be used to power external devices, has adjustable timing and dwell, is equipped with its own built-in strobe system, runs in either direction, runs with either coil polarity, and even runs _without a rotor_.

Is this "negativity"... or is it a demonstration of how to have all the fun you want, experimenting, without spending a lot of money that goes into the pockets of false claimants?
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: TinselKoala on October 21, 2014, 04:39:59 AM
So that nobody will accuse _me_ of making unsupported claims...

I just shot a new video showing the MHOP charging a 150 uF, 450 V capacitor to a hair over 300 volts (24 v input) in a few seconds. That is a "Voltage Amplification" of 1250 percent, over TWICE what is shown in the Quanta clip. The MHOP outperforms the Quanta system both relatively (1250 percent vs. 600 percent) and absolutely (300 volts vs. 287 volts).

I'm processing and uploading the video now, it should be viewable in half an hour or so.

But I don't have a "toroidal voltage amplifier" on the MHOP! So how could this be? Is it possible that the "TVA" on the Quanta system isn't really doing what they claim, since I am able to get better results without one?


ETA: Video is here. If it's not viewable yet, please check back in a few minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfC5cTHtfYY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfC5cTHtfYY)

Note that by about 3:20 or so the voltage on the cap is actually around 340 Volts, as shown on the scope trace.

Erratum: At about 2:14 or so I say "battery" but of course I'm actually talking about the capacitor.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MarkE on October 21, 2014, 04:51:07 AM
Bill, (That would be me) supports the truth, knowledge and learning.  If that somehow appears to you to be negative, then that is your problem and it is on you.

2+2=4.  If you don't believe that it does, or are not sure as you have not added it yourself, and someone here tells you it equals 4, that is NOT being negative.  It is being accurate and truthful.

Bill
Are you sure that works?  Does it hold for large values of two and small values of four?
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 21, 2014, 06:12:50 AM
Are you sure that works?  Does it hold for large values of two and small values of four?

I don't know, I have not added this myself yet.  I'll give it a go in the next few weeks and let you know.

Bill
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MileHigh on October 21, 2014, 07:40:14 AM
TK:

Quote
You are referring to this Quanta "high voltage" clip, showing "600% AMPLIFIED VOLTAGE" (caps in original) ??

Yes, that's the clip.  Polycarbonate Perspex Lucite toroid awesomeness!

I watched your new clip.  MHOP lives!  It's a wonder that no Bedini-ites have defected from the Yahoo cult and tried it out.  Perhaps they meet in secret and operate in MHOP cells and they use the 'dark' portion of the Internet.   8)

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: TinselKoala on October 21, 2014, 08:22:38 AM
@MH:  Yep, it was neat to be able to pull it down off the shelf, dust it off, hook it up and have it start immediately. It took me a minute to remember all the switch options. There are 4 switches, not including the simple power-on-off switch. I can switch the coil polarity, so that it can be either a pure attraction or a pure repulsion PM. I can switch the power takeoff from recirculating, or none, or output without recirculating. I can turn the strobes on or off, and choose whether to look at the "timing" strobe or the "dwell" strobe (beginning or end of pulse). The rotor can be removed in seconds and the sense coil repositioned easily to make the "rotorless" version, which also charges caps and batteries well, without wasting power turning a rotor/fan. The power mosfet is in a socket so it can be easily swapped, and a larger rotor with more magnets can be fitted by adjusting the coil positions. The two recirculation neons actually feed into opposite poles of the battery, so I could say that I am pulse-charging both the negative and the positive side of the run battery (how's that for woo!)
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 21, 2014, 11:06:27 PM
Hi, i post the link for this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EkHm08Te4
with no electronic commutation . :)
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: TinselKoala on October 22, 2014, 12:09:57 AM
Hi, i post the link for this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EkHm08Te4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EkHm08Te4)
with no electronic commutation . :)
What's the difference between "oscillation" and "electronic commutation"?
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 22, 2014, 12:18:02 AM
What i want to say is that circuit don't use transistor or mosfet to make the oscillation. My English is not the best sorry:)
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: TinselKoala on October 22, 2014, 12:37:59 AM
Your English is better than that of most Americans, don't worry about it.

Can you post your complete circuit including component values, please?
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 22, 2014, 12:47:17 AM
As soon as possible i will draw a schematic with the values.
thanks 
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 30, 2014, 05:52:48 PM
Hi ppl,
another video with example of power amplification.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW2YVh044JI
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MarkE on October 30, 2014, 06:21:24 PM
This looks like a demonstration of a steam punk MPP controller.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 30, 2014, 06:22:45 PM
Lol Yes but the result is very good.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MarkE on October 30, 2014, 06:58:43 PM
Lol Yes but the result is very good.
It is a good demonstration of the MPP principle.

My judgement of goodness for a PV module MPP controller is first and foremost how much power gets delivered to the load for a given amount of irradiance impinging a PV module of known efficiency.  Since I don't know what PV module you are using or how much light is hitting it or how much power is coming out of your device I can't judge how good the result is.  AC microinverters connected to ~200W nameplate modules these days get 96.5% weighted efficiency which is really good.  At their peak efficiency, they tend to do a smidge over 97%.  If you can get 90% or better from a 10W to 25W module, then I would say that you are doing pretty well.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 30, 2014, 07:13:20 PM

Hi MarkE,
This is not a  PV module MPP controller ,and  the solar panel is not relevant , is only to show the circuit work with lower power wattage source;  in my last video i use a battery .What i want to say is that can be used any source off power  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EkHm08Te4

What is relevant is the relation between the input power and the output power.
:)
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MarkE on October 30, 2014, 07:25:37 PM
Hi MarkE,
This is not a  PV module MPP controller ,and  the solar panel is not relevant , is only to show the circuit work with lower power wattage source;  in my last video i use a battery .What i want to say is that can be used any source off power  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EkHm08Te4

What is relevant is the relation between the input power and the output power.
:)
Yes and no.  In order to maximize the output power from a given source, the load impedance must be the conjugate of the source impedance.  For a resistive source that means matching the resistance.  There are many situations where we don't want to match because it results in unacceptable heating in the source.  For instance if you load a AA alkaline cell with a matched 100mOhm load the cell quickly overheats.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 30, 2014, 07:39:48 PM
Yes and no.  In order to maximize the output power from a given source, the load impedance must be the conjugate of the source impedance.  For a resistive source that means matching the resistance.  There are many situations where we don't want to match because it results in unacceptable heating in the source.  For instance if you load a AA alkaline cell with a matched 100mOhm load the cell quickly overheats.

MarkE ,
The reason of the the great power output of the circuit  is in fact a combination of high current BEMF collected combined with the lower power voltage input source .
If i open the box case of the relay you could see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxEAQNOjp0       , but the relay will be fault soon because the air.   

Thanks for your explanation but i think there is things very different.
If you could see my other videos to understand what i try to show .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EkHm08Te4

Thanks
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MarkE on October 30, 2014, 08:09:53 PM
MarkE ,
The reason of the the great power output of the circuit  is in fact a combination of high current BEMF collected combined with the lower power voltage input source .
If i open the box case of the relay you could see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxEAQNOjp0       , but the relay will be fault soon because the air.   

Thanks for your explanation but i think there is things very different.
If you could see my other videos to understand what i try to show .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EkHm08Te4

Thanks
From what I can see you are building multivibrator based power converters such as were used in military equipment back in the 1940's up until the 1960's.  I think it makes for good steam punk.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 30, 2014, 08:33:52 PM
From what I can see you are building multivibrator based power converters such as were used in military equipment back in the 1940's up until the 1960's.  I think it makes for good steam punk.

No MarkE  is not a  multivibrator based power converters ;)
In a circuit dc to ac inverter either old you don't use the BEMF to input the primary transformer  :)
 The high current output in circuit is low voltage (14v) and provide enough power to load the 55w halogen lamp with low power source as i try to show  .
The AC stage use a pulse bye the BEMF generated for the first transformer in their primary , yes primary not secondary because the power that is used is from the magnetic collapse : Radiant energy
The circuit only need the power input to provide the oscillation (relay work ) the power output in circuit is generated only with BEMF generated in coils, not drain the the power from source (battery). This is a power amplifier circuit based in radiant energy collecting .

See this video and try to understand the base of the idea :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0

Thanks
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MarkE on October 30, 2014, 08:39:46 PM
No MarkE  is not a  multivibrator based power converters ;)
In a circuit dc to ac inverter either old you don't use the BEMF to input the primary transformer  :)
 The high current output in circuit is low voltage (14v) and provide enough power to load the 55w halogen lamp with low power source as i try to show  .
The AC stage use a pulse bye the BEMF generated for the first transformer in their primary , yes primary not secondary because the power that is used is from the magnetic collapse : Radiant energy
The circuit only need the power input to provide the oscillation (relay work ) the power output in circuit is generated only with BEMF generated in coils, not drain the the power from source (battery). This is a power amplifier circuit based in radiant energy collecting .

See this video and try to understand the base of the idea :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0

Thanks
We can drive a transformer with any AC source that we like. 

I don't see any measurements in your videos that would support a claim that your arrangements obtain "radiant power" from the surroundings.   I have seen demonstrations of steam punk power converters.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 30, 2014, 08:49:07 PM
We can drive a transformer with any AC source that we like. 

I don't see any measurements in your videos that would support a claim that your arrangements obtain "radiant power" from the surroundings.   I have seen demonstrations of steam punk power converters.

Hi MarkE Ok, i respect your point of view  , but sincerely and honestly  i think you don't see the things bye the right way  but i will not waste more your time , because certainly you have things more important to do,  when i try to shit you with things like that   .
Thanks   
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 31, 2014, 02:57:04 AM
That looks cool and, it looks like you put a lot of work into it but, that 4 watt bulb that you light in the first video link can be driven by a single "dead" AA battery and one of my joule thief circuits.  It will light it for many, many hours.  That is with just about .8 volts compared to your 20 volts input from the solar cell.  I guess I am not seeing the utility of your circuit here.

It does look cool though and I appreciate your sharing it with us here.

Bill
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 31, 2014, 11:58:50 AM
That looks cool and, it looks like you put a lot of work into it but, that 4 watt bulb that you light in the first video link can be driven by a single "dead" AA battery and one of my joule thief circuits.  It will light it for many, many hours.  That is with just about .8 volts compared to your 20 volts input from the solar cell.  I guess I am not seeing the utility of your circuit here.

It does look cool though and I appreciate your sharing it with us here.

Bill

Hi pirate88179,

The 4w bulb is not the point off the video is only a "add" in the circuit.  The main propose of the circuit is collect radiant energy and convert in large current.
I think there is a misunderstanding as to the circuit. I now what is a joule thief, I already made ​​dozens of prototypes "https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=GmlpV1MWm40" but is not the point .

Can you make a joule thief and  able to connect the halogen bulb 12v 55w like in the video ?
That is the real propose of circuit ! Not light  in the ac output a lamp of 4w led :) The circuit have 2 output :
AC and DC . The DC output is high current .
the circuit  will collect radiant energy without use the main source to the output.
If you have some doubts see this video for you understand what i try to show and i have sure that you will understand .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0

Is not a joule thief! Is a radiant amplifier.

Thanks 
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MarkE on October 31, 2014, 12:57:16 PM
Hi pirate88179,

... snip ...

Is not a joule thief! Is a radiant amplifier.

Thanks
What evidence do you have that supports this claim?  Where is the radiant energy measured before and after the alleged amplification?
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 31, 2014, 03:40:22 PM
What evidence do you have that supports this claim?  Where is the radiant energy measured before and after the alleged amplification?


ahhhhhhh ok you need the measures ...  i can provide a amp meter in the input but i don't have other to the output ,; the 55W 12v halogen car at full bright do the work to show the power collected ?  For the test you prefers a battery to the input of the circuit ? I can provide a video with this.
But think :
Why i firstly connected the halogen lamp into he solar panel ? For show that solar panel cant provide the wattage of the lamp the filament cant glow  (The solar at 100% conditions will generate 15W but not the case ) and i show in the circuit a output of higher power that can provide power enough to run the 55w 12v halogen bulb.
But if i use a 12v battery the result will be the the same .The power amp collected and storaged is more higher that main input.
I only need the main power to make the relay operate is the only real condition (car relay 12v) all the power collected is produced by BEMF like a joule thief. The difference between joule thief  is that if you use a transistor to the oscillation you cant combine the 2 positives charges because the transistor will burn and you don't be able to produce the effect. The contacts of the relay will act like a green spark " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxEAQNOjp0" produced bye the combined high current with the high voltage of BEMF.  Do you now anything about Edwin Gray and their technology? you can visit the Aaron Murakami channel and make some consult about this phenoms.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX9XCK3RNuI&list=UU-41VqjATdRAlN7ztX8S30A

As you have the right to question my work, I also have the right to question whether you understood what was really going on this .

thanks

   
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: MarkE on October 31, 2014, 05:02:16 PM

ahhhhhhh ok you need the measures ...  i can provide a amp meter in the input but i don't have other to the output ,; the 55W 12v halogen car at full bright do the work to show the power collected ?  For the test you prefers a battery to the input of the circuit ? I can provide a video with this.
But think :
Why i firstly connected the halogen lamp into he solar panel ? For show that solar panel cant provide the wattage of the lamp the filament cant glow  (The solar at 100% conditions will generate 15W but not the case ) and i show in the circuit a output of higher power that can provide power enough to run the 55w 12v halogen bulb.
But if i use a 12v battery the result will be the the same .The power amp collected and storaged is more higher that main input.
I only need the main power to make the relay operate is the only real condition (car relay 12v) all the power collected is produced by BEMF like a joule thief. The difference between joule thief  is that if you use a transistor to the oscillation you cant combine the 2 positives charges because the transistor will burn and you don't be able to produce the effect. The contacts of the relay will act like a green spark " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxEAQNOjp0" produced bye the combined high current with the high voltage of BEMF.  Do you now anything about Edwin Gray and their technology? you can visit the Aaron Murakami channel and make some consult about this phenoms.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX9XCK3RNuI&list=UU-41VqjATdRAlN7ztX8S30A

As you have the right to question my work, I also have the right to question whether you understood what was really going on this .

thanks

 
If one wishes to claim that process X amplifies quantity Y, then one must show that quantity Y is greater at the output of process X than it is at the input of process X.  You claim amplification of radiant energy.  Therefore you must show the energy in and out of your process.  Amperes are a measure of current.  Amperes are not a measure of energy.
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 31, 2014, 05:14:35 PM
If one wishes to claim that process X amplifies quantity Y, then one must show that quantity Y is greater at the output of process X than it is at the input of process X.  You claim amplification of radiant energy.  Therefore you must show the energy in and out of your process.  Amperes are a measure of current.  Amperes are not a measure of energy.

Hi MarkE ,
I never say amperes are a measure of energy  ok i know the ohm law .
I make a new video with a a amp meter on the power source and with a 12v battery with the voltage monitored with a multimeter. is the best i can show now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YegRP2521jI


thanks for your opinion

Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: ramset on October 31, 2014, 08:02:05 PM
nelsonrochaa


If you have a valid input measurement  and are running a halogen in DUT you can do some very simple tests to establish unusual behavior.


you will need a thermometer and a cardboard box [in addition to Meters for input]


Take your entire setup and place it in a cardboard box with a thermometer [EVERYTHING}


Note temp inside and outside the box ....
start device under test [DUT]


Monitor input power and note inside temperature ,when inside temp no longer rises [for a minute or so]
write down that temp ,this is your fixed loss to ambient temperature .
now repeat test ASAP with just the Halogen and the supply battery at same input power as previous test.[this is called control run]
if temp of DUT went higher than control run you have something to investigate.


running test simultaneous in same conditions [outside] would of course be my choice.


hope this is useful.
respectfully
Chet

Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on October 31, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
nelsonrochaa


If you have a valid input measurement  and are running a halogen in DUT you can do some very simple tests to establish unusual behavior.


you will need a thermometer and a cardboard box [in addition to Meters for input]


Take your entire setup and place it in a cardboard box with a thermometer [EVERYTHING}


Note temp inside and outside the box ....
start device under test [DUT]


Monitor input power and note inside temperature ,when inside temp no longer rises [for a minute or so]
write down that temp ,this is your fixed loss to ambient temperature .
now repeat test ASAP with just the Halogen and the supply battery at same input power as previous test.[this is called control run]
if temp of DUT went higher than control run you have something to investigate.


running test simultaneous in same conditions [outside] would of course be my choice.


hope this is useful.
respectfully
Chet

Hi Ramset ,
I appreciate your suggestion and i will try to reproduce that  test because seems interesting measure by this point of view. I can tell that their is not a particularly reason to use the halogen car lamp is only because this particularly lamp need several watts to glow and the voltage drop dramatically if is connected directly in to the battery source, is a way to show the output . In other example (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EkHm08Te4)i use a 4w 12v car in serie with battery to monitor de amp consumption in the circuit .You can see that lamp not glow ever when a load in the circuit output  a  55W 12v halogen lamp because the power dont come from the load .

thanks for the suggestion
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on November 01, 2014, 11:56:38 PM
nelsonrochaa


If you have a valid input measurement  and are running a halogen in DUT you can do some very simple tests to establish unusual behavior.


you will need a thermometer and a cardboard box [in addition to Meters for input]


Take your entire setup and place it in a cardboard box with a thermometer [EVERYTHING}


Note temp inside and outside the box ....
start device under test [DUT]


Monitor input power and note inside temperature ,when inside temp no longer rises [for a minute or so]
write down that temp ,this is your fixed loss to ambient temperature .
now repeat test ASAP with just the Halogen and the supply battery at same input power as previous test.[this is called control run]
if temp of DUT went higher than control run you have something to investigate.


running test simultaneous in same conditions [outside] would of course be my choice.


hope this is useful.
respectfully
Chet

Hi Ramset , i try to make a shots with my new scope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SALlSg972y8
Its the possible for now.
Thanks 
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Arman on November 18, 2014, 01:09:31 PM
Hi nelsonrochaa,
you haven't shown energy input and energy output. What you have showed that you connect first your circuit to power source and then it accumulates some energy and then you connect the lamp, however you are not showing continues connection of load, and monitoring in power and out power for long period of time. The accurate measurement should take in account the energy in and energy out, where energy= Power * time.

Best Regards
Arman
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: nelsonrochaa on November 19, 2014, 12:06:26 AM
Hi nelsonrochaa,
you haven't shown energy input and energy output. What you have showed that you connect first your circuit to power source and then it accumulates some energy and then you connect the lamp, however you are not showing continues connection of load, and monitoring in power and out power for long period of time. The accurate measurement should take in account the energy in and energy out, where energy= Power * time.

Best Regards
Arman
Hi Arman  thanks for your post,
The video that you talk is about recuperation and you have true  about the stored power in the cap and that is the point. How much time and current in the source   you need to storage in caps enough to power   55W halogen bulb with so low power current in source  ? think in that and you will see that i have right .You can see the drop near to zero in the voltage when i connect the lamp direct in the panel.
But you can see in this video to see how the power can be continuous in the output .
I dont have much resources to make measures like i want , and all people want. But you can test , will not be expensive ! WY you don't try make to see by your eyes ?
Thanks Arman and good luck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9daYU4JBMu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YegRP2521jI

I don't have the needed tools
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: VMP100 on August 05, 2016, 03:17:33 PM
And IF the replication of this experiment actually does reach a 'dead end', sometime in the future, then I might consider your opinions but, more than likely, I will seek a more neutral, unbiased, authority for assistance now that you have brought so much controversy about said unknown future.

Kindest regards;

}:>


Hello Scorch, Did you finish building the generator? Any good results?

VMP
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on August 05, 2016, 04:58:43 PM
I did finish building it including the battery powered regulated power supply that was mounted on the back of the unit but was not shown in the original Quanta Magnetics video which has now been removed from youtube...

With said power supply it was indeed possible to demonstrate exactly what was originally demonstrated in the quanta magnetics video as long as battery holds charge. So; results were 'good' to actually replicate the effects depicted but not good in terms of the expectations because this extra power supply was not shown in the video and not disclosed to me until much later and after the facts I spent the money, time and energy.

I subsequently sold the G1 for a fraction of the original investment and moved on to explore other alternative energy interests.

Kindest regards;

Scorch.



Hello Scorch, Did you finish building the generator? Any good results?

VMP
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: VMP100 on August 05, 2016, 05:51:16 PM

Thanks for your reply Scorch!

Ah I see.

Just to be clear it doesn't provide more watts of power out than in?
Was it not possible to capture some kind of Back EMF pulse to run it more efficiently?

Did you find any other device that does produce over unity?

VMP
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: Scorch on August 06, 2016, 01:49:21 AM
I cannot say one way or the other with regards to watts.

After discovery of the component (battery powered regulated power supply) that was hidden from view in the original video, I did start asking some 'hard questions' about this and quanta magnetics basically blew me off and either removed the video or made it private on his youtube channel so I could no longer access it for reference.

And there never was much useful support other than correcting all the errors that were in the original assembly instructions such as a dead shorted alternator... So I completely lost interest in conducting any more experiments and subsequently sold the unit.

Then and on the very day I sold it on Ebay; this video showed up in my reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_GUem5ADQs

Seems like a very interesting 'coincidence' that this new experiment came to my attention the very day I was preparing the ship the equipment out so I cannot actually try this particular potential difference charging experiment. Which I find to be very intriguing and wish I had another high efficiency, axial flux alternator to work with but of course; quanta magnetics does not offer a plain alternator kit. . . :P

Kindest regards;

}:>

Thanks for your reply Scorch!

Ah I see.

Just to be clear it doesn't provide more watts of power out than in?
Was it not possible to capture some kind of Back EMF pulse to run it more efficiently?

Did you find any other device that does produce over unity?

VMP
Title: Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
Post by: VMP100 on August 07, 2016, 02:01:57 AM
Hey there Scorch,

Interesting video, hope the tests & measurements are right. Then it would mean that the device has OU.
I see on his channel that he also makes (supposedly) self charging batteries, I am looking forward to replicating something like that.

You can make an Axial Flux generator yourself.
I have been thinking of making something similar, here is a video of an Axial Flux generator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahs2pM10xQU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahs2pM10xQU)

I think they sell kits too if you live in the US, I read on their site that they don’t ship internationally. I live in Europe so I would have to ask a metal company to make two of those discs.
I would like to run such a generator and do some tests.

I have two of these round metal baking plates: https://www.amazon.com/OvenStuff-Non-Stick-Inch-Round-Piece/dp/B001BCNT3Q (https://www.amazon.com/OvenStuff-Non-Stick-Inch-Round-Piece/dp/B001BCNT3Q)
They should work to do some simple tests.

Those super capacitors (BMOD0058 E016 B02 Maxwell) on the video looks interesting but they are out of my budget range. I have seen different DIY supercapacitor videos on youtube.  I am looking into making my own supercapacitors, their size is not an issue.

VMP