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Offline pomodoro

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Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« on: September 28, 2014, 02:06:59 PM »
While working on equipment to test the avramenko plug accurately, I was lucky to come across 50 or so grams of uranium nitrate (Uranyl Nitrate).  Immediately I  (temporarily) dropped the project and decided to brush up on an old interest of mine (and thousands of others) - the Moray device. This is probably the device with the least BS associated with it.  Many of you know of the device, but for those who don't , there are two major ways, which this 50kW device apparently worked 1: It tapped into the 7Hz Schuman resonance or 2: It contained radioactive substances in the 'Moray valve' or tube. There is no doubt it oscillated, probaably in the kHz range. Other theories talk of the zero point energy, cosmic particles etc, but these are extremely unlikely.

Paul Brown in the 80's suggested that Moray used radioactive substances in the RF resonant circuit, and Brown apparently built a working device as shown in his patent. Brown was charged with fraud eventually, but it is believed that it may have been a conspiracy.  The Hubbard coil is another device that used radium to power a boat for hours.

My idea is to monitor a kV discharge from a capacitor into a high Q coil. In the coil will initially be air only, then salt  and finally uranium nitrate.  I would expect the one with the uranium to show less damping  of the oscillations than the others. 

Any ideas, comments before I start please (technical only).

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2014, 08:00:02 PM »

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2014, 10:14:25 PM »
We have to get to the basics first.moray was playing with valves ie moray was definitely playing with thermionic emission of sorts.let us hypothesize from there

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2014, 11:53:08 PM »
Radium or uranium inside a rectifiying cold cathode tube,what percentage of gammas can be auto-rectified in this way?

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2014, 01:26:26 AM »
Morays own words from drawings: 'portions of germanium were used...Ge,FeS,MoS,Bi,uranium' sounds like gamma rectification for definite

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2014, 02:11:14 AM »
Radium or uranium inside a rectifiying cold cathode tube,what percentage of gammas can be auto-rectified in this way?
He was using alpha, not gamma.

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2014, 07:10:37 AM »
Thank you for the Links!

Replication of Moray's device is obviously extremely difficult since in 90 years nothing has been shown to the public.

Not much is available regarding the larger, 50KW models, which were apparently  tested underground and in submarines.

The first models used a wire antenna which gave long sparks when being repositioned. These sparks were harmless and characteristic of sparks generated in the KHz range.  Any lower and they could kill, any higher and they would be very hard to produce, as seen in the MHz range tesla coils which only give short sparks.

The problem is that there is no natural  known source of rf radiation which could possibly give watts of power to a receiver. Microwatts possibly, and that's from a radio station.   Robert W Bass, Rhodes scholar,  in his video ,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHTCZu8OZtI , believed that Moray was tapping into the Schumann resonance.  Unfortunately Roberts passed away soon after the video.  To tap into these waves effectively  one would need an antenna a quarter wave long or about 6 miles long. They also exist as standing waves, which would mean some locations would get no power. 
One theory I had was that Moray applied a very high voltage at the antenna to create an energy sucking effect, as is talked about on this page, http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html ,   the problem is that the oscillations were definitely not at the 7Hz range.

If we concentrate on radioactivity as being the 'secret' then we quickly run into a big problem  Simple calculations show that no where close to enough energy can be supplied by the radioactive source.  For example 1 gram of polonium 210 , a very powerful source of alpha particles, radiates 4500 Curies of radiation. This is the same as 4.5Kg of Radium which itself is no weakling.   The powerful 1g of polonium will only provide 52 microampers of electricity between two plates. See patent 2,633,542 . Uranium would provide practically no current at all!

Does RF excitation make a difference? Modern nuclear science would say no. But according to Paul Brown it does.  Although there are pictures of a Nuclear Magnetic Battery, I don't believe that there are any witnesses who saw it in operation, unlike Moray, who displayed his invention many times and allowed people to view all its parts except for one small part he kept in his hand or pocket.

I don't expect the uranium to power any device  but I would hope that if Brown was correct some positive influence on the decay of the current in the resonant coil would show.  The radioactivity of my sample is about 25000 counts per minute.

If we are to concentrate on the antenna theory instead, then I believe that those high voltages may be achieved by using a tesla coil type of secondary coil (just a coil of wire with many turns but very high Q) coupled to the antenna (short antenna to avoid radiating out RF energy). The coil is tuned to some weak signal in the kHz range (lighnight strikes, radio station for testing etc). The coil is part of a regeneration type receiver and receives regeneration from a coupled coil and transistor (and battery initially). Once oscillations are built up to very high levels, extra power from a coupling coil can be used to power the transistor and outside circuitry.  Take a look at this patent for more info on an antenna with a small physical area but huge effective area and massive bandwidth www.google.com/patents/US5296866

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2014, 09:22:27 AM »
True pomodoro natural uranium shoved infront of  the best germanium or silicon photocells would give hardly a few microamper BUT, remember,he had other elements shoved in that tube besides uranium eg bismuth.is it possible that certain nonradioactive elements exposed to mildly radioactive elements,become highly radio-active after exposure?I remember marie curie doing something like this. Is it possible that bismuth,which is already on the cusp of instability undegoes fission of sorts if stimulated by uranium's alphas? The question is,what is the fundamental behind morays energy gains and boosting of radio-signals?

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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2014, 09:43:48 AM »
A thought had occured to me also that since moray was layering-arraying semiconductors it seems,Ge,FeS,MoS he wouldve been capturing a multi-portion of natural uraniums emmission spectrum ie alphas,gammas,x-rays and perhaps lower frequency emmisions that we don't even know exists yet.a CIGS (copper-indium-gallium-sulfide) solar panel can convert not only visible but ultraviolet,near-infrared photons too. I've also heard that a single alpha particle can have so much energy in it that it can cascade thousands of electrons to higher energy states in silicon wafer

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2014, 10:16:30 AM »
A thought had occured to me also that since moray was layering-arraying semiconductors it seems,Ge,FeS,MoS he wouldve been capturing a multi-portion of natural uraniums emmission spectrum ie alphas,gammas,x-rays and perhaps lower frequency emmisions that we don't even know exists yet.a CIGS (copper-indium-gallium-sulfide) solar panel can convert not only visible but ultraviolet,near-infrared photons too. I've also heard that a single alpha particle can have so much energy in it that it can cascade thousands of electrons to higher energy states in silicon wafer

I don't believe there is enough energy in the particles. By simply blocking all alpha particles with some paper, all energy will turn to heat.  You need  extremely radioactive substances to do this, and lots of them to get any rise in temperature.  I'm very sure that even the  thousands of cascaded electrons in a photomultiplier tube, caused by one photon,  which give rise to a current , do not give free power- it drains the high voltage supply.

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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2014, 10:46:10 AM »
Then what is boosting power pomodoro? Resonant up-conversion against 2nd law? Its been known to happen with far-infrared.question is,what was moray up-converting?

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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2014, 01:26:13 PM »
Those tubes in his patent are interesting. They supposedly protected the power supply by shorting out at a high voltage. But in reality much simpler systems would have been used instead. In fact the power supply or transformer can easily be designed so as not to require external protection. One tube was reported as having a capacitance of 1F! This was a massive value only a few years ago, let alone in the 50s.  Perhaps those tubes oscillated in a tank circuit and produced power?

Let's see what happens when I zap the uranium salt in a 1uH high Q copper foil coil with a 0.25uF cap charged at 8000v

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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2014, 02:23:39 PM »
It also helps to note that bismuth on exposure to neutrons from uranium turns into polonium,potent alpha emitter.

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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2014, 03:04:58 PM »
@profits: "We have to get to the basics first"

thats exactly what is foremost necessary. Was one of the reasons why I presented the two links because there is shown one principle
of Betavoltaic so we do not have to speculate about devices which we will not know how they really functioned because of obvious reasons.
I repeat: "is shown one priciple" I know another one which in fact is much more interesting because it opens a total new view into what is going on during readioactive decay and how this decay-process can be trapped while the radioactive element repeats to decay but is hindered by some Parameter thus leading to a phaenomenon called "fermi-resonance".

The links to these vids were also presented by wesley but I have to confess that I will have to study this more than one time to understand the underlying principle.

@profits: unfortunately most of this is presented in intorductory vids

Here is the main website of Snake River N-Radiation Lab

http://www.srnrl.com/

lets have a closer look at what Paul Brown is saying and I wonder why many do not either read or understand what is written in plain language

"a single beta particle emitted from strontium-90 that is absorbed in copper will generate 80,000 ions in a distance of .030 inches."

So here we have it: this is how you can create sort of a supracoductor

futher:
" This increase in the number of moving charge carriers is measured in the real world as increased current.
We also measure a reduction in the resistance of the wire and an increase in its conductivity while the current is directly proportional to the voltage. In other words, the current goes up with an increase of the voltage" !!!

Did you read the curriculum vitae of P.Brown at the last page of the second link ?

I would have put this curriculum at the beginning of this document to make it clear who is presenting this knowledge.

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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2014, 03:18:50 PM »
The probability of spontaneous fission of U238 and U235 are way too low. Way below 1  in a million per decay. The only chance is if strong alternating ac field can speed things up. This has never been shown to happen, although the spin of unpaired protons can be , such as with NMR.

 

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