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Author Topic: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come  (Read 25793 times)

Offline profitis

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2014, 01:30:04 AM »
Or a nicer buisness selling potassium-powered moray bat$$$

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2014, 02:41:59 AM »
Let's not forget that Moray is reported to have made a crystal radio that could power a loud speaker directly and some device that could hear  people's conversations from very far away.  I believe that anything which uses radioactivity generated currents must use the source in a very high ac voltage circuit. But even then, kV and uA converted by a transformer become V and mA. Enough for a speaker, not much more.

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2014, 02:44:07 AM »
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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2014, 04:45:52 AM »

For this desktop thing. Beta radiation is relativistic electrons. Relativistic means nearly the speed of light.
So it's not surprising that a Beta radiation source is going to knock the heck out of electrons in a wire.
Electrons in a wire individually travel at about the speed of sound 700MPH. Electronic signals also travel
at the speed of light. I'm telling you you don't want neutrons, alpha particles or gamma rays coming out
of a desktop device with no shielding. Someone calculated to have 1 Joule of latent heat (something someone could feel
as being warm) produced it takes 10^15 nuclear fusions each producing one relativistic neutron and that this is
way too much cell damage for a living being to tolerate.

So one can get electromagnetic effects out of a beta particle, what one needs then is to speed up radioactive decay
based in an EMF effect. What would cause that I have no idea, it's not supposed to happen. This would be an EMF moderated
nuclear chain reaction. It sounds like something from LENR actually.

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2014, 06:04:23 AM »
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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2014, 09:23:38 AM »
Might not be necessary to speed up nuclear decay @markscoffman.according to brown they were just making high efficiency conversion of each flood of particle that hit.what I don't get is how  any transformer is going to register such pulses in a meaningful way unless each particle does indeed knockout a 20000 electrons on trajectory but even then,you're going to need one hell of a sensitive rectifier at such frequencies of vibes,unless its like a geiger,distinct hotshots

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2014, 10:11:43 AM »
One ampere is  6.241×1018   electrons per second.  Say Moray powered a 50W 110W globe, he would require  450mA.  Lets assume his high voltage tank circuit, which sparked at the antenna, produced 110kV and was stepped down to 110V. The the current in the HV circuit would be 450uA. Now we need a still large 2.8×1015 electrons per second.

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2014, 11:09:35 AM »
If you can show a few tens of microampere from uranium it would be fantastic pomodoro.uranium is not very radio-active so if you can get it to where tritium or promethium (smoke detectors) can get it its a leap in the right direction.natural uranium is hundreds times cheaper than tritium,which is breeded from reactors.I would like to suggest you take a crystal of germanium or doped silicon wafer and shove some of those nitrate crystals ontop and shove the covered semiconductor-crystal onto aluminum foil base for bottom contact,prick the top of semiconductor-crystal with a needle for top contact and see if you register any fraction of a microamp of dc
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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2014, 02:16:19 PM »
I don't have those materials. I do have beryllium xray windows but I don't think that's the way to go. I do have a 2n3055 with the top removed. A crystal of the nitrate on the bits inside caused no current of voltage. Light on the other hand gave 100s of millivolts. Another test is to measure current between two charged plates as Marie Curie did to test the activity of her extractions.

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2014, 07:41:58 PM »
Hi
try generating light first using radioluminescent material, then use a solar panel to create electrical current.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioluminescence
Historically, a mixture of radium and copper-doped zinc sulfide was used to paint instrument dials giving a greenish glow. Phosphors containing copper-doped zinc sulfide (ZnS:Cu) yield blue-green light; copper and manganese-doped zinc sulfide (ZnS:Cu,Mn), yielding yellow-orange light, are also used. Radium-based luminescent paint is no longer used due to the radiation hazard posed to those manufacturing the dials. These phosphors are not suitable for use in layers thicker than 25 mg/cm2, as the self-absorption of the light then becomes a problem. Furthermore, zinc sulfide undergoes degradation of its crystal lattice structure, leading to gradual loss of brightness significantly faster than the depletion of radium.

ZnS:Ag coated spinthariscope screens were used by Ernest Rutherford in his experiments discovering the atomic nucleus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphor#Radioluminescence

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2014, 08:49:22 PM »
Excellent idea telecom.uranium nitrate can dissolve in water then soak into the scintillator powder followed by drying for extra massive surface area exposure to alphas

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2014, 09:55:37 PM »
The idea was floating around for some time, mb the simplest way of producing some power.
The hardest part for an ordinary folk is to get some decent alpha emitter - not sold since 1942.
I know some people recycle old radium dials.

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2014, 11:17:23 PM »
Now, following your conversation for a while I noticed that pomodoro expects voltage to be created by simply placing the radioactive element
either near a conductor or even on top of a semiconductor.

If you read the paper of Brown or what I have repeated here as a excerpt in one of my last postings he stated that a wire becomes sort of superconducting...and not creating a voltage difference at its terminals.
It is difficult to measure the inner ionized state of wire alone. Lets assume you take one meter of a copper wire AWG 18 = 1 mm diameter, put your ohmmeter on it an measure the inner resistance. What do you get ? Zero reading.  How in the world will you be able to destinguish any difference in a 1 meter long wire with and without radioactive coating ? Probability zero.
In order to get a readable value you need say 50 meter. Do we have enough radioactive material to cover the surface of these 50 meters ?
Even if we take a small wireAWG 38 = 0.1 mm diameter the problem still exists. And in such a small wire there are not that much copper-atoms to be ionized so the effect will be too small

So this is the reason why an LC-tank must be used for having a chance to measure the Q of the  LC-tank.
Q is mainly determined by the Q of the inductance as the Q of a capacitor generally is way better than that of an inductor

Q for series-resonance
Q = Xl/ R
R being the resistance in ohm, Xl is reactance of the inductor
and for parallell-resonance :Q = R * squareroot of C/L
C for capacitance, L for inductance.


We need to observe the dynamics of the system. One way is to trigger a parallell-tank with a square wave ( knowing its resonance-frequency before) and watch the damping of the triggered oscillation. This then means that you need to build two precise identical LC-tanks using handpicked identical parts which must be selected by precise measurement of capacitance and inductance.
So, you see, there is a lot of work ahead if you want to be sucessfull.

Here is a german paper published by some old radio-professionals which gives you a circuit at the end using a simple NE555-Timer to
perform such a test

http://www.radiomuseum.org/forumdata/upload/Guetemessung%20mit%20Rechtecksignal.pdf


Text below the first scope-screenshot explained : Kreisgüte = Q = number of oscillations times 5,
condition: amplitude Uss has reached half of the start-value. You have to visually count the number of oscillations along the time-scale
to that point where the amplitude has fallen to half of the start-value and then multiply this number by 5.

Some additional points to take into consideration:

Bild 58a shows a test-method using a trigger-coil. The trigger coil must be just 2 or three windings and loose coupling to the LC-tank so that the lc-tank is not "forced"by the trigger-coil to follow its frequency because than you will not see the resonance clearly.
resonant Frequency of the lC-tank should not exceed 10 Megacycles as the capacitance of the probe is distorting the resonance-frequency.

Bild 58b uses the circuit at the end of the document ( build into a box ) triggering the LC-tank with the 1 picoFarad capacitor.
LC-tank to be tested is located at the lower right corner ( 500p - Lx )


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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2014, 09:18:26 AM »
Interesting kator so its similar to a geiger in princip. The particle shoots thru the neon gas,leaving string of ions,increases conductivity of the neon until,flash,the geiger registers sound on speaker.in other words,will do similar thing for copper wire,ie.increaseit conductivity. Do you remember the chinaman with the graphene perpetuum battery,the idea there was loosely bound fermi electrons,almost supraconduct,then shoved between static potential of gold and silver in electrolyte..

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Re: Nuclear Resonat Battery test soon to come
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2014, 12:28:30 PM »
profits,

no I hav`nt heard of this graphen perpetuum battery. Is there information you have about this battery  ?

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