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Author Topic: Four rod magnets and two one way bearings = free energy???  (Read 6663 times)

Offline gyulasun

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Re: Four rod magnets and two one way bearings = free energy???
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2019, 03:16:49 PM »
Here is a photo of what I was talking about.  Might need resized by someone?
Hi Tom,

Thanks for the picture. You show an interesting setup and I think you hope that the almost floating heavy top magnets will insure the tangential force needed for the arms to move clockwise.   

Well I think that the two arms will receive a one time pushing force in the moment you drop the two magnets into the tilted PVC pipes and the arms will move together for a certain time till friction stops them. 
It is okay that the two top magnets would continually repel the bottom magnets but this force will be a resting, static force.  The comparison to a bended bow is still valid like in your first set up.

Of course I may be wrong and if you are convinced this setup would operate continuously, then only a replication can show reality.

Gyula

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Re: Four rod magnets and two one way bearings = free energy???
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2019, 11:49:39 PM »
Hi Tom,

Thanks for the picture. You show an interesting setup and I think you hope that the almost floating heavy top magnets will insure the tangential force needed for the arms to move clockwise.   

Well I think that the two arms will receive a one time pushing force in the moment you drop the two magnets into the tilted PVC pipes and the arms will move together for a certain time till friction stops them. 
It is okay that the two top magnets would continually repel the bottom magnets but this force will be a resting, static force.  The comparison to a bended bow is still valid like in your first set up.

I have already started the build and it should be quite heavy when completed.  Plan to use 4 heavy rod magnets at 45 degree on top arms and 4 vertical heavy rod magnets on the bottom arms.   All my work is posted as open source information so anyone interested can replicate it.  I am using ceramic skate bearings for the wheels supporting
my cylinder and other bearings that have very little friction.  I will show you a side photo of where I am at presently
I have the outside of the drum covered in V shaped bearing balls that I had another idea for prior to this.
I am waiting on a longer 8 mm center shaft now.  Tom

Of course I may be wrong and if you are convinced this setup would operate continuously, then only a replication can show reality.

Gyula

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Re: Four rod magnets and two one way bearings = free energy???
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2019, 12:06:31 AM »
It's always the same error in reasoning.   ::)
Any construction involving only permanent magnets and other passive components will only move until the equilibrium of forces is reached, and then it will stop.

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Re: Four rod magnets and two one way bearings = free energy???
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2019, 12:29:52 AM »
It's always the same error in reasoning.   ::)
Any construction involving only permanent magnets and other passive components will only move until the equilibrium of forces is reached, and then it will stop.
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Worth trying anyhow with four heavy magnets free to bear down at 45 degrees on lower magnets.
Something has to move.  Anyways here is a photo showing the four magnets I will put into 45 degree pipes where they will be free to slide.  Might even try 22.5 degree also.  I am using a top circular plate instead of arm which makes things easier.  My other 4 magnets are secured inside the cylinder.   Tom

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Re: Four rod magnets and two one way bearings = free energy???
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2019, 11:59:29 PM »
It's always the same error in reasoning. 
Any construction involving only permanent magnets and other passive components will only move until the equilibrium of forces is reached, and then it will stop.
[/quote

Worth trying anyhow with four heavy magnets free to bear down at 45 degrees on lower magnets.
Something has to move.  Anyways here is a photo showing the four magnets I will put into 45 degree pipes where they will be free to slide.  Might even try 22.5 degree also.  I am using a top circular plate instead of arm which makes things easier.  My other 4 magnets are secured inside the cylinder.   Tom
« Last Edit: May 16, 2019, 06:03:16 AM by magnetman12003 »

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Re: Four rod magnets and two one way bearings = free energy???
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2019, 05:57:44 PM »
It's always the same error in reasoning. 
Any construction involving only permanent magnets and other passive components will only move until the equilibrium of forces is reached, and then it will stop.
[/quote

Worth trying anyhow with four heavy magnets free to bear down at 45 degrees on lower magnets.
Something has to move.  Anyways here is a photo showing the four magnets I will put into 45 degree pipes where they will be free to slide.  Might even try 22.5 degree also.  I am using a top circular plate instead of arm which makes things easier.  My other 4 magnets are secured inside the cylinder.   Tom


I was giving thought about using a thin gum rubber disk under the disk that has the 45 degree magnet pipes mounted on.  That way the 45 degree magnet disk won't be able to slip around on top of the 4 vertical magnets under it because of the weight of the 45 degree magnets pressing down.
So now the the need of any link between the top 45 degree magnet disk and the cylinder the vertical magnets are secured inside is not needed.   Tom