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Author Topic: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions  (Read 428031 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1185 on: January 16, 2015, 04:28:44 AM »
@MarkE,

Take a look at Thane's latest bi-toroid video. He clearly demonstrates the "Infinite Efficiency" of his transformer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2H5BerC9Go
This is beyond stupid.  All he has done is build a transformer with a ton of leakage inductance.  Given a circuit consisting of Z1 in series with Z2 where |Z1| >> |Z2|, one can change |Z2| all day long getting big percentage changes in the power transferred to / from Z2 without changing the power through Z1 or drawn from the supply significantly.  If I want to fool my instruments all I have to do is make the ratio: Z1/Z2 greater than the resolution of my instruments.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1186 on: January 16, 2015, 05:03:51 AM »
This is beyond stupid.  All he has done is build a transformer with a ton of leakage inductance.  Given a circuit consisting of Z1 in series with Z2 where |Z1| >> |Z2|, one can change |Z2| all day long getting big percentage changes in the power transferred to / from Z2 without changing the power through Z1 or drawn from the supply significantly.  If I want to fool my instruments all I have to do is make the ratio: Z1/Z2 greater than the resolution of my instruments.

@ALL

Leakage Inductance or I like to use the term "Loose Coupling" is a Requirement!

It does NOT always mean Loss! A Generator has leakage inductance but it still Separates Charge!

"Leakage inductance derives from the electrical property of an imperfectly-coupled transformer whereby each winding behaves as a self-inductance constant in series with the winding's respective ohmic resistance constant, these four winding constants also interacting with the transformer's mutual inductance constant. The winding self-inductance constant and associated leakage inductance is due to leakage flux not linking with all turns of each imperfectly-coupled winding.

The leakage flux alternately stores and discharges magnetic energy with each electrical cycle acting as an inductor in series with each of the primary and secondary circuits.

Leakage inductance depends on the geometry of the core and the windings. Voltage drop across the leakage reactance results in often undesirable supply regulation with varying transformer load. But it can also be useful for harmonic isolation (attenuating higher frequencies) of some loads.[1]

Although discussed exclusively in relation to transformers in this article, leakage inductance applies to any imperfectly-coupled magnetic circuit device including especially motors."

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_inductance

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1187 on: January 16, 2015, 05:07:46 AM »
I still would like to see some documentation on the claimed "O.U." from that coil Chris posted.  If he has done it, great, Nobel prize time,
if not, then maybe he will learn something about measurements that he did not know.

This should be big news......let's see it.

Bill

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1187 on: January 16, 2015, 05:07:46 AM »
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1188 on: January 16, 2015, 05:13:59 AM »
Yes, and that map will be of a figure 8/peanut shape. But the steel laminate dose not jump over the center of the dipole because of an even pull force in each direction, it seems to jump because at the center of the dipole there is an even amount of negatively and positively charged particles, and the net reaction on the steel laminate is 0.
Where is there any evidence for these alleged "particles"?  Do these particles have mass or momentum?  What can we do to detect these alleged particles?

What do you contend the force on a chunk of permeable material that is close to a magnet is proportional to?  Express it any way that you feel comfortable with, but be as specific as you can.  When we can hone your contention down to accepted scientific terms, then we can devise a test or set of tests against the contention.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1189 on: January 16, 2015, 05:14:27 AM »
I still would like to see some documentation on the claimed "O.U." from that coil Chris posted.  If he has done it, great, Nobel prize time,
if not, then maybe he will learn something about measurements that he did not know.

This should be big news......let's see it.

Bill

@Bill

A Great person once said: "I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own"

You are welcome to use My Ideas/Work if you don't have any or your own!

Good Luck!

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1189 on: January 16, 2015, 05:14:27 AM »
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1190 on: January 16, 2015, 05:17:26 AM »
@Bill

A Great person once said: "I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own"

You are welcome to use My Ideas if you don't have any or your own!

Good Luck!

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Your ideas suck and I don't know why anyone would want to use them.  I have plenty of my own, thanks, and...guess what?  My ideas actually work.
So, is this your way of saying that you have not achieved O.U. as you have claimed?

A false claim then?

I thought as much.  Thanks for clearing that up.

Bill

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1191 on: January 16, 2015, 05:22:14 AM »
Your ideas suck and I don't know why anyone would want to use them.  I have plenty of my own, thanks, and...guess what?  My ideas actually work.
So, is this your way of saying that you have not achieved O.U. as you have claimed?

A false claim then?

I thought as much.  Thanks for clearing that up.

Bill

@Bill

You Know What They Say About Assumptions!

For there is only one proof of OU, build your own and see.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1192 on: January 16, 2015, 05:29:03 AM »
Where is there any evidence for these alleged "particles"?  Do these particles have mass or momentum?  What can we do to detect these alleged particles?

What do you contend the force on a chunk of permeable material that is close to a magnet is proportional to?  Express it any way that you feel comfortable with, but be as specific as you can.  When we can hone your contention down to accepted scientific terms, then we can devise a test or set of tests against the contention.
The particles have mass Mark-unless you know of massless particals that can exert a force on a mass?

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1193 on: January 16, 2015, 05:30:50 AM »
@Bill

You Know What They Say About Assumptions!

For there is only one proof of OU, build your own and see.

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I only build stuff that has more than a rat's chance in hell of working.  So, no thanks.
Is this another way of your saying that you never did get O.U. then?  I mean, you either have it (good for you) or you don't.

Claiming that you have it (or had it) without any real proof or documentation is is a total waste of time for all concerned.

Bill

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« Reply #1193 on: January 16, 2015, 05:30:50 AM »
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1194 on: January 16, 2015, 05:32:25 AM »
The particles have mass Mark-unless you know of massless particals that can exert a force on a mass?
OK, so how fast do these particles move, and how much mass do they carry?

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1195 on: January 16, 2015, 05:38:35 AM »
I only build stuff that has more than a rat's chance in hell of working.  So, no thanks.
Is this another way of your saying that you never did get O.U. then?  I mean, you either have it (good for you) or you don't.

Claiming that you have it (or had it) without any real proof or documentation is is a total waste of time for all concerned.

Bill

@Bill - I have noted your Opinion.


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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1196 on: January 16, 2015, 05:44:58 AM »
@ALL

So we have established that Charge Carriers are Separated in a Generator! Positive on one Terminal and Negative on the other Terminal! This is Sine dependant of course!

Lenz’s Law, is primarily Magnetic in Nature. It is the direct result of Current Flow in the Secondary Coil.

Yet the Secondary's Magnetic Field Vector Sums to Zero to the Primary's Magnetic Field!

Can a Tertiary's Magnetic Field Vector Sum the Secondary to Zero? Yes, it can!

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1197 on: January 16, 2015, 05:46:55 AM »
I still would like to see some documentation on the claimed "O.U." from that coil Chris posted.  If he has done it, great, Nobel prize time,
if not, then maybe he will learn something about measurements that he did not know.

This should be big news......let's see it.

Bill

Heck, I wanna build it.   ;D    Simple enough not to have to argue over it. ;)

Its interesting that the pickup coil gets any output at all.  If we wound 3 coils on the center post of an ecore, 1st coil wound, then second on the 1st, then the 3rd on top of that one, all in 3 separate layers, then connect 1 and 3 in series where their fields negate, there should not be output from coil 2. Or is there?

If we take a a standard transformer, 1 winding primary and a center tapped secondary and then disconnect 2 and 3 at the center taps and arranged them in series, but opposing, we should not get output from the new secondary arrangement if we have input at the primary.

So why is there output in the configuration that Chris has shown?

I used those examples to show standard transformers. Maybe layering is problematic for this idea.  I have seen transformers with separately wound coils, such as a microwave oven transformer, but it doesnt have 3 coils, let alone 2 outer coils of similar build and one coil between them, in line as Chris has shown. 

I built a coil like this, air core, but the middle coil was wound on top of the 2 oppositely wound coils butted in the middle. But I didnt try this configuration.  Also didnt operate it the same. Have seen many ways for this bucking config and actually passed it by as I felt I knew there wouldnt be any output.  ::) :-\   But apparently there must be, let alone questioning for more data or it is considered bunk. ;)

So instead of pushing for more 'required' ::) info in order to possibly have some belief in the claim, why not 'test' the claim, being it doesnt seem so difficult. ;D

Mags


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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1198 on: January 16, 2015, 05:47:00 AM »
@ALL

Floyd Sweet said:

“If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-Field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E"

Just some food for thought!

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« Reply #1199 on: January 16, 2015, 05:50:33 AM »
Heck, I wanna build it.   ;D    Simple enough not to have to argue over it. ;)

Its interesting that the pickup coil gets any output at all.  If we wound 3 coils on the center post of an ecore, 1st coil wound, then second on the 1st, then the 3rd on top of that one, all in 3 separate layers, then connect 1 and 3 in series where their fields negate, there should not be output from coil 2. Or is there?

If we take a a standard transformer, 1 winding primary and a center tapped secondary and then disconnect 2 and 3 at the center taps and arranged them in series, but opposing, we should not get output from the new secondary arrangement if we have input at the primary.

So why is there output in the configuration that Chris has shown?

I used those examples to show standard transformers. Maybe layering is problematic for this idea.  I have seen transformers with separately wound coils, such as a microwave oven transformer, but it doesnt have 3 coils, let alone 2 outer coils of similar build and one coil between them, in line as Chris has shown. 

I built a coil like this, air core, but the middle coil was wound on top of the 2 oppositely wound coils butted in the middle. But I didnt try this configuration.  Also didnt operate it the same. Have seen many ways for this bucking config and actually passed it by as I felt I knew there wouldnt be any output.  ::) :-\   But apparently there must be, let alone questioning for more data or it is considered bunk. ;)

So instead of pushing for more 'required' ::) info in order to possibly have some belief in the claim, why not 'test' the claim, being it doesnt seem so difficult. ;D

Mags

@Magluvin

Youre onto it!

All information is in here: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

Let me know if you need help! I am happy to help!


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