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Author Topic: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions  (Read 611875 times)

minnie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1110 on: January 14, 2015, 07:05:24 PM »



  EMJ, Tinman and other non believers,
       just take a decent pair of headphones, plug in to your device and listen to
Pink Floyd, Shine on you crazy diamond, live 1990. Now show me where they've
got it all wrong regarding electromagnetism.
  I'm far from believing we know anywhere near what's going on and there's loads
more to de discovered. I reckon a real good understanding of current thinking is
going to be needed by those who want to advance science.
                    John.
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allcanadian

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1111 on: January 14, 2015, 07:23:37 PM »
@MH
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There is nothing "powering" the atom, just like there is nothing "powering" the
solar system.  Those are just ignorant statements that you often see on the
forums in an attempt to suggest that there is a "flow of free energy" already
happening right now to explain our world and the possibility that we can do the
same somewhere else.
It just isn't the case at all.
That is not entirely accurate in my opinion, we know most all the energy on Earth is due to the Sun ratiating energy outward which sustains all life on this planet. Now we know the universe would seem to be full of stars not unlike our Sun which is also a star therefore it would seem to me every star everywhere must be radiating energy outward in all directions everywhere.

Therefore I think it would be fair to say Gravity causes matter to come together which is Energy and when enough matter comes together and the conditions are right a star is born and this Energy is then radiated outward until that star dies only to be reborn somewhere else at a later date. As such it would seem pretty obvious that Energy is flowing everywhere in everything because everything is always changing and Energy is fundamentally defined by a change in something.
Unless I'm missing something?
AC
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MarkE

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1112 on: January 14, 2015, 09:52:16 PM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on January 14, 2015, 12:17:03 PM
For others here with some actual intent on getting somewhere. I have found in my search a handy document with lots of references: http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/materials/StudyGuide/guide11.pdf

Its quite useful for reference!
The 8.02 course, course work, and lectures all go directly against your claims.
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MarkE

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1113 on: January 14, 2015, 09:54:39 PM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on January 14, 2015, 12:25:50 PM
I can say to all others here, my devices, like Bill Alek's, do work as I have stated.
Bill Alek's devices do not work as he claims.  They do not produce excess energy.
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Some 4/5 years ago I did an experiment that broke through all the boundaries of Conventional Thinking! Even though Juveniles here are doing the best they can to discredit them!

I have proven this in the last 200 posts here that not all people will meet with an open mind! Some people will refute and dispute no matter what! There is no getting through to some people.
You have demonstrated that you fit that behavior pattern.
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As you have seen here it will be along road for us that take up the next chapter!

Do some simple experiments and you will see the path.

The information is there already! Its been done many hundreds of times through history! Its no longer a secret.

The Juveniles here will not succeed in holding back the truth! Their lunatic self importance will be over come with guilt, its called Karma. Wow is it going to hit them hard!

So learn it, use it share it!

Secure your future don't let idiots like these few minority of Juveniles here ruin it for all. The world is about to change in ways that many will never imagine! Not because of what I have given but for other reasons!

I have given all my work free, so this surely speaks volumes!

Where the truth is: www.hyiq.org
Your own cited references refute your claims.
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MarkE

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1114 on: January 14, 2015, 09:59:00 PM »
Quote from: tinman on January 14, 2015, 01:51:36 PM
Im guessing a simple yes or no was just to much to ask. I was asking you the question-not because I dont know, but to see if you do.
While were here-what free space do you refer  to?, and what is your definition of ! Free space!?
I presented my response in an effort to find common ground. 

Free space is an open void.
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MarkE

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1115 on: January 14, 2015, 10:02:08 PM »
Quote from: allcanadian on January 14, 2015, 04:10:24 PM
@wattsup
Well said, we cannot solve our problems using the same level thinking which created them and this thread has once again spiralled down into oblivion. It is incoherent and devoid of rational thought with purpose and your post was a breath of fresh air. We can do better than this I hope.
Maybe we should spell this out, if you want to debate a critic on their level you will lose because first you must lower yourself to their level and you have lost before you have even started. We must elevate our thoughts moving forwards not backwards and leave them to fight among themselves.

AC
Appealing to magical beliefs is unlikely to solve any real problems.
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EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1116 on: January 14, 2015, 10:02:20 PM »
Quote from: MileHigh on January 14, 2015, 06:49:55 PM
in an attempt to suggest that there is a "flow of free energy"...

@ALL - I am sure most here can already see the facts for what they are.

Natural Energy Flows in Nature exist everywhere!

We as a species already use some of them!

Hydro Electric power, we don't pay for the energy in the form of applied force to turn the Generator Shaft! We pay for the Installation and Maintenance of the System! Not the Force that drives it!

A cubic metre of water has a mass of 999.972 kilograms, with a Drop of 1.0 meter, this Cubic Meter of water has a velocity of 49.6293 Meters / second - 999.972 kilograms @ 49.6293 Meters / second this is a huge force, 49627.91 Newton's - that You don't have to pay for!

Gravity Supply's this Force and Nature is filling the Reservoir!

Wind power, we don't pay for the Wind to drive the Wind Turbine!

Most all Natural Energy Flows exist because of the Inverse Square Law at some point, wind may be the exception here. I am sure if one were to trace back far enough that the Inverse Square Law will still be the cause.

Free Energy Exists Everywhere - Its already incorporated in our Science.

Thinking for the future, to be creative and to allow Doors to Open, means one can not be close minded! Open your Mind to possibilities! Be creative! Be Human!

Kind Regards

  Chris
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EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1117 on: January 14, 2015, 10:23:38 PM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on January 14, 2015, 10:02:20 PM
@ALL - I am sure most here can already see the facts for what they are.

Natural Energy Flows in Nature exist everywhere!

We as a species already use some of them!

Hydro Electric power, we don't pay for the energy in the form of applied force to turn the Generator Shaft! We pay for the Installation and Maintenance of the System! Not the Force that drives it!

A cubic metre of water has a mass of 999.972 kilograms, with a Drop of 1.0 meter, this Cubic Meter of water has a velocity of 49.6293 Meters / second - 999.972 kilograms @ 49.6293 Meters / second this is a huge force, 49627.91 Newton's - that You don't have to pay for!

Gravity Supply's this Force and Nature is filling the Reservoir!

Wind power, we don't pay for the Wind to drive the Wind Turbine!

Most all Natural Energy Flows exist because of the Inverse Square Law at some point, wind may be the exception here. I am sure if one were to trace back far enough that the Inverse Square Law will still be the cause.

Free Energy Exists Everywhere - Its already incorporated in our Science.

Thinking for the future, to be creative and to allow Doors to Open, means one can not be close minded! Open your Mind to possibilities! Be creative! Be Human!

Kind Regards

  Chris

@ALL

Because of the scale of the required installations for Hydro Power for example, this becomes impractical to build on a scale for the average person!

A solution to this simply means that we have one or two things that need to be looked at to reduce the required Scale:

1: Reduce the Required Force to generate the same Energy.
2: Increase the output Energy for the required Force Applied.

Each of the above as one can see are inter linked!

There are solutions out there!

Kind Regards

  Chris
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MileHigh

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1118 on: January 14, 2015, 10:27:54 PM »
AC:

I am not talking about the radiated energy from the sun.

Chris:

I think one thing that can be taken from yesterday's discussion is self-deception on your part.  You clearly do not have a grasp on what we were talking about.  Then you take it one step beyond that and try to pitch yourself as a teacher and communicator.  If you like this stuff, then just be honest with yourself and start a program of study and get yourself up the learning curve.  Being deluded and in denial is just to your own self-detriment.

It's like going to a mechanic and you have a car that let's say was manufactured in Singapore.  You say to the mechanic, "Because of where the car was manufactured, I'm not sure if the nuts are metric or English."  The mechanic looks back at you with a confused look on his face and says "What?"

It's like hiring a painter for your house and you say to the painter, "I am not sure if I should use oil-based paint for the rec room or latex-based paint."  The painter looks back at you with a confused look on his face and says "What?"

Would you hire the mechanic or the painter?  The obvious answer is no.

You are just like the hypothetical mechanic or painter.  My assumption is that you have no education or any serious self-education in this subject matter.  You are just "winging it" as you go along.  If you are interested in this stuff surely you can do better than that.

Also, it's time to stop the immature brat behaviour.  It's just silly.

MileHigh
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EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1119 on: January 14, 2015, 10:31:14 PM »
Quote from: MarkE on January 14, 2015, 09:54:39 PM
Bill Alek's devices do not work as he claims.  They do not produce excess energy.[quoite]Some 4/5 years ago I did an experiment that broke through all the boundaries of Conventional Thinking! Even though Juveniles here are doing the best they can to discredit them!

I have proven this in the last 200 posts here that not all people will meet with an open mind! Some people will refute and dispute no matter what! There is no getting through to some people. You have demonstrated that you fit that behavior pattern.Your own cited references refute your claims.

MarkE - I have already noted your Opinions.
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1120 on: January 14, 2015, 10:31:46 PM »
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A cubic metre of water has a mass of 999.972 kilograms, with a Drop of 1.0 meter, this Cubic Meter of water has a velocity of 49.6293 Meters / second - 999.972 kilograms @ 49.6293 Meters / second this is a huge force, 49627.91 Newton's - that You don't have to pay for!

See, even here, this is a retarded nonsensical statement.  Please go to school one way or the other.
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EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1121 on: January 14, 2015, 10:36:39 PM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on January 14, 2015, 10:23:38 PM
@ALL

Because of the scale of the required installations for Hydro Power for example, this becomes impractical to build on a scale for the average person!

A solution to this simply means that we have one or two things that need to be looked at to reduce the required Scale:

1: Reduce the Required Force to generate the same Energy.
2: Increase the output Energy for the required Force Applied.

Each of the above as one can see are inter linked!

There are solutions out there!

Kind Regards

  Chris

@ALL - I would like to quote from a very smart person:

"Electricity is not made by the generator, it is merely pumped."

If anyone here can explain this statement and why it is so, I will be very impressed!

Kind Regards

  Chris
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minnie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1122 on: January 14, 2015, 10:45:59 PM »



 There's usually a clue in the username, and EM. you're proving it. Yes, pure junk as in
your reply 1133, we've been through this all before! I suggest that you collaborate
with a certain Wayne Travis, you'll find him at " Hydro Energy Revolution " that is if he's
still floating!
               John.
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allcanadian

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1123 on: January 14, 2015, 10:56:46 PM »
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I am not talking about the radiated energy from the sun.
Are you sure?, fundamentally all Energy relates to field interactions and you do not know what a field is fundamentally nor why it is so how would you know what your talking about?. I mean all stars and moreso super nova radiate ridiculous amounts of EM energy and high energy particles throughout all space in the known universe and if one needed a primary cause relating to the Primary Fields one would think it might have something to do with this fact don't you think. As well we know all matter absorbs and radiates energy, it is in continuous motion near light speed, oscillating and spinning and yet somehow you seem to have this strange belief that we have an energy crisis or that the universe is somehow devoid or lacking in energy. It reminds me of a man in a boat in the middle of the great lakes dying of thirst.
AC
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EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1124 on: January 14, 2015, 10:59:37 PM »
Quote from: minnie on January 14, 2015, 10:45:59 PM


 There's usually a clue in the username, and EM. you're proving it. Yes, pure junk as in
your reply 1133, we've been through this all before! I suggest that you collaborate
with a certain Wayne Travis, you'll find him at " Hydro Energy Revolution " that is if he's
still floating!
               John.

John - Please try to answer the question.

It is much more intuitive than you think!

Quote from: EMJunkie on January 14, 2015, 10:36:39 PM
@ALL - I would like to quote from a very smart person:

"Electricity is not made by the generator, it is merely pumped."

If anyone here can explain this statement and why it is so, I will be very impressed!

Kind Regards

  Chris
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