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Author Topic: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions  (Read 573510 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #900 on: January 13, 2015, 05:36:50 AM »

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #901 on: January 13, 2015, 05:40:46 AM »
More like your ignorance.

How about I through you a ball - It has a string on, so as to reel in the Oil Company Troll.

You explain your Magical Blue Lines MH - We will see who comes out on top again!

I know what you meant, we will see, what brilliance you come up with this time!

A hint, its not Hedge Hogs!

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #902 on: January 13, 2015, 05:44:58 AM »
No way.  I posted the diagram thinking that it would be self-explanatory.  I even said that when I made the posting.  You came up clueless when you were asked the question.  So you are just lying and bluffing right now.  Sorry!

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but it was NOT Consistent with the Linear Graph shown

Thanks for showing yourself up again for how dumb and ignorant you can be for a person that claimed that he knew his stuff.  We never even saw AC's setup.  There is no reason that the picture I plucked off of Google Images would have the same response as AC's magnet.  Nor was there even a response curve shown, I just showed a picture.  So how can you "compare response curves" when there wasn't even two response curves to compare?  On top of that, we have no clue how consistently AC moved the Hall sensor along the magnet and the data he posted showed a time base.

So, you made a comparison when it was not legitimate from the get-go and there was no comparable graph to compare anyways!

I said on another thread that the average experimenter around here is barely functioning at a high school level and you demonstrate it.

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #903 on: January 13, 2015, 05:47:28 AM »
No way.  I posted the diagram thinking that it would be self-explanatory.  I even said that when I made the posting.  You came up clueless when you were asked the question.  So you are just lying and bluffing right now.  Sorry!


Hahahahaha More LIES MileHigh!!!!!!! You're cute! Do you have flashing Lights too? Or is that extra?

Offline MarkE

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #904 on: January 13, 2015, 05:55:20 AM »
Yes - the reason I call these two Oil Company Trolls! Where they get paid to ignorantly debate no matter what the topic! They cant even agree to disagree!
It's a funny rationalization you use to knowingly lie.

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #905 on: January 13, 2015, 06:07:00 AM »
It's a funny rationalization you use to knowingly lie.

MarkE - Is It? Is it Really? Who do you work for, BP is British Petroleum you know! Or is it BP BS Inc?

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #906 on: January 13, 2015, 06:10:43 AM »
It's a funny rationalization you use to knowingly lie.

This might be why you "Prefer" the Grid over all other independent Power Disto Networks? Oh my, its Consolidated Edison that you work for isn't it!

Hahaha - seriously gotta laugh at the obvious!  ::)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #907 on: January 13, 2015, 06:15:16 AM »

Hahahahaha More LIES MileHigh!!!!!!! You're cute! Do you have flashing Lights too? Or is that extra?

Here you go EMJunkie:

Post #637 you say this:  "I wonder what the Zero Indication near the Central Point between the Poles is showing?"

How can you not know why there is a zero indication?  Anybody that understands this stuff and has a few brain cells working would expect to see a zero indication.  But you are obviously not in this class.

In post #640, I say this:  "Take a look at the attached diagram and all of your questions are answered" and I post the image of the magnet filing pattern with the blue lines.

Then in post #645 I say this:  "Can you explain what is going on with those broken blue lines?"

In post #646 you say this:  "MileHigh - Unfortunately this is YOUR Assumption. I have nothing to do with your assumptions!"

If you knew what you were talking about you would have stated the answer in your post #646 but you clearly didn't.  It was a Litmus test question, you sensed it was a Litmus test question, and you failed to answer it.  Bluff away all you want, the truth is you don't know your stuff when it comes to magnetics and you just bluff your way through because most of the time your YouTube audience knows even less than you and you can get away with it.  However, you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #908 on: January 13, 2015, 06:18:34 AM »
@ALL;

The fact that a Magnetic Mono Pole has been predicted for some 83 Years and today created in a Lab proves the debate that MarkE and MileHigh are LYING to people about, shows that they argue ignorantly!

These two guys must be supporting the Other Side!!! Oil Company Trolls!!!

Again I reference: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2014/jan/30/magnetic-monopoles-seen-in-the-lab

Kind Regards

  Chris

Did you even bother to read the article in your reference, or the original article in Nature? Of course you did not, or you wouldn't be posting the link here... SINCE IT REFUTES YOUR CLAIM and more especially ... the original article was written by people who fully endorse the conventional picture of _magnetic field lines_ .
Why don't you sent the authors an email, asking whether the conventional picture or the "peanut waist" picture is correct.  I know why not, and so does everyone else reading here.

Here's a little quote from the article you linked:
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An ordinary bar magnet consists of both a north and a south pole; if the magnet is cut in two, then each of the resulting halves will also be bipolar. In fact, no matter how many times the magnet is divided, the north and south poles remain coupled – even as far down as individual atoms, which themselves act like tiny magnets. This is reflected in Maxwell's equations, which say that isolated positive and negative electric charges exist but isolated magnetic charges do not.
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 Peter Holdsworth, a condensed-matter physicist at the Ecole Normale Supérieure in Lyon, praises the work as "an exquisite application of nanotechnology, cold atoms, high-powered computing and clever theory". He points out that the US–Finnish team has not proved the existence of magnetic monopoles, but he thinks the researchers have provided experimental confirmation of Dirac's mathematics. "It is an important result and could lead to many other analogous results," he says. "Will it help particle physicists to find real monopoles? Probably not, but it should encourage them to keep looking."

So, we can see very clearly that you have MISREPRESENTED what is contained in the PhysicsWorld article and the actual paper in Nature to which it refers.


Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #909 on: January 13, 2015, 06:23:13 AM »
If you knew what you were talking about you would have stated the answer in your post #646 but you clearly didn't.  It was a Litmus test question, you sensed it was a Litmus test question, and you failed to answer it.  Bluff away all you want, the truth is you don't know your stuff when it comes to magnetics and you just bluff your way through because most of the time your YouTube audience knows even less than you and you can get away with it.  However, you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Again MileHigh - Ramblings of a Crazy Person.

The truth is, you know Nada, Zip, Zilch about Science! You BS People here all day long. The very first reply to this topic you received was a negative one! No one trusts your Piffle and Bull Dust MileHigh.

Your Imaginary Ride Experiment is all you have got and its again your very own assumption! That's the only thing you're good at here, Assuming!

Piffle is your territory! Along with Imaginary Experiments!

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #910 on: January 13, 2015, 06:28:50 AM »
You are caving and clutching at straws.  You are even copying what I am saying about you and trying to say it about me.

Chris, I said "v = L di/dt" to you and got a virtual blank stare back from you.  The jig is up.

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #911 on: January 13, 2015, 06:33:10 AM »
Did you even bother to read the article in your reference, or the original article in Nature? Of course you did not, or you wouldn't be posting the link here... SINCE IT REFUTES YOUR CLAIM and more especially ... the original article was written by people who fully endorse the conventional picture of _magnetic field lines_ .
Why don't you sent the authors an email, asking whether the conventional picture or the "peanut waist" picture is correct.  I know why not, and so does everyone else reading here.

Here's a little quote from the article you linked:
So, we can see very clearly that you have MISREPRESENTED what is contained in the PhysicsWorld article and the actual paper in Nature to which it refers.

TinselKoala - Your Assumption! I am claiming nothing here, you MileHigh and MarkE are.

I don't doubt Science! I doubt Conventional Science that has been proven Wrong by Modern Science!!!

If it does not hold, then its wrong!

Physics Professors today are always saying the same thing, well this holds for this but not for that.

TK - you seriously need to think outside the box. I have been here under different name for some 10 years odd and you were here back then!!! What's going on, not gotten any further ahead!!! Got nothing STILL!

Your posts are like MileHighs, nothing but criticism and Bull Dust! You like MileHigh will still be here in another 10 years and will still have NOTHING!!!!

I have seen some of your experiment, your ability to "DO" is not the problem, its your Intellectual HandiCap!!!

I bet you do the same experiments all day long! Same ones, day after day, looking for something but blind to whats right infront of your face!

TK - You used to have my respect. But do you know what, Youre just an overunity.com number! Today that number is: 11167 - This number is definitely not showing your Intelligence!

So, to answer your stupidity, yes I did read the article! What does it mean to have a Mono Pole sitting in free space? Do you want me to spell this for you? MONOPOLE, MONOPOLE, MONOPOLE

OMG HOW sparse is this field!!!

Offline allcanadian

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #912 on: January 13, 2015, 06:48:03 AM »
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We never even saw AC's setup.  There is no reason that the picture I plucked off of Google Images would have the same response as AC's magnet.  Nor was there even a response curve shown, I just showed a picture.  So how can you "compare response curves" when there wasn't even two response curves to compare?  On top of that, we have no clue how consistently AC moved the Hall sensor along the magnet and the data he posted showed a time base.


Good point, I used a plastic straight edge and moved my probe at as uniform a speed as possible. In the other plot I held the probe in a clamp then used two pieces of plastic around the center to spin it perpendicular to the NS axis.


I'm still working on the new setup which I will run by you guys now. I built a new probe with two linear ratiometric hall sensors 90 deg apart to capture the probe x,y axis (vertical,horizontal sensors). The probe output goes to my Arduino/Labview interface where I then plot two separate xy intensity graphs(vertical/horizontal probe) with a third xy intensity graph representing the difference between the two.


The xy intensity graph simply uses the probe position, xy coordinates, and the probe output y to plot a 2D picture with the probe value y determining the color of each point. I'm using a linear servo arrangement my interface controls to scan line by line within a 3" x 3" area with a resolution of 1023 x 1023 points. So we should have a pretty solid picture of both the x and y axis of the probe output as well as the difference between the two.


This is just speculation but I'm hoping to see a line where the probe xy values sum to zero which should be obvious in the third graph. If probe rotation was showing this then this arrangement should prove it in my opinion. All this debate about what people think is wonderful however I want to know for myself.


AC

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #913 on: January 13, 2015, 06:50:10 AM »
You are caving and clutching at straws.  You are even copying what I am saying about you and trying to say it about me.

Chris, I said "v = L di/dt" to you and got a virtual blank stare back from you.  The jig is up.

Hahahaha - Milehigh, You have a fantastic ability at copy paste, maybe the Oil Companies should deduct from your letter for letter pay check! I think you should ring and re-negotiate a deal with them! Quick, before they find out!


Offline MarkE

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #914 on: January 13, 2015, 06:57:22 AM »
MarkE - Is It? Is it Really? Who do you work for, BP is British Petroleum you know! Or is it BP BS Inc?
EMJ it really reflects poorly on you that you deliberately spread disparging lies.  Is that something exclusive to your internet behavior or do you go around doing that to:  your coworkers, your neighbors, and your family as well?