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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #225 on: October 15, 2014, 06:05:25 AM »
Hi Magluvin,

Guess we can rule out poltergeists :) , I tried the experiment and got the same results, live near NY. I tried on different surfaces and to make sure there was nothing in the house went outside with a flat glass casserole bowl (low friction) and it also aligned N/S. I Stacked two 1/4" wide disc magnets together and they also turned without falling over. I tried a thin square magnet but didn't get it to turn.

This map shows magnetic anomalies in your area there is a kml file for Google Earth.

http://mrdata.usgs.gov/magnetic/

Thanks for sharing your experiments.

Thank you for that Dream.  ;D    Whew, I have been pulling my hair out waiting for a replication.  ;)

So what do you think?  Has it always been this way, or do you find it very abnormal?

Thanks again, really. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Mags

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #226 on: October 15, 2014, 02:23:57 PM »
A great thread,but still very vague on what a magnetic field really is ???
What has no mass but can exert a force other than photons?,or do magnetic fields have photon's?- I see no light emission from a magnet.Or do magnetic fields have mass- i think not.

Here we have an invisable force made from what?.
If a magnetic field has mass,then we have a looped system,where mass is ejected from one end(known as north) and drawn back in the other end(known as south)-Is this a self running device?.

What is the maximum rate of magnetic ecceleration? If a magnet was traveling at light speed through space,with the north pole leading,would another magnet traveling an inch behind it of the same size,and also with the north pole leading,catch the first magnet. Would it travel faster than the speed of light to latch onto the first magnet?

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #227 on: October 15, 2014, 03:49:01 PM »
It is also interesting that a PM can produce far more electrical power than it took to make it in the first place-when used in a generator. The PM is a device that is charged up once,and last's for decades. I once seen a video(will try and find it again)where a guy magnetised 1000 3 inch nail's that held up more weight(steel plate) than the small PM he used to magnetise the nails in the first place. He then showed that there was still the same amount of pull force(magnetic field strength) in the PM he used to magnetise the nails as there was when he started the experiment.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #228 on: October 15, 2014, 07:00:19 PM »
Hey Tin.

Have you tried the magnet on the table test I described in my first post on this page?   Im surprised not more have tried and commented yet, other than Dreamthinkbuild, and he confirmed my findings.  Very surprised.  What, is it a big secret that we should not be talking about??

Good to see ya around ;)

Mags

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« Reply #229 on: October 15, 2014, 08:35:29 PM »
Hey Tin.

Have you tried the magnet on the table test I described in my first post on this page?   Im surprised not more have tried and commented yet, other than Dreamthinkbuild, and he confirmed my findings.  Very surprised.  What, is it a big secret that we should not be talking about??

Good to see ya around ;)

Mags

Dear Mag's.

I noticed the very same thing a few weeks back !!  Smiley

Video proof !!??           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLkJz-ZUDb4

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #230 on: October 15, 2014, 09:25:05 PM »
Sure, Mags, it's pretty much always been that way, and now that we are playing with stronger magnets we just notice it more. I have some N56 discs I just got a week or so ago and they do the same thing. Even electromagnets suspended on good pivots will do it.
I first noticed this strong effect of the Earth's field a few years ago when letting flat magnets slide down smooth aluminum or copper ramps. Depending on the orientation of the ramp wrt the Earth's field, the sliding magnet will either jump off the ramp, or slide smoothly, depending on which pole is facing the ramp.

I found this video that I thought you might be interested in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIf9iPskgJs

ETA: I'll add that if you are playing with magnets on a surface, like a tabletop, a tiny little vibration can often help get things moving. Like sounds in the room making the tabletop resonate. This frees up the "sticktion" and lets the magnet rotate to align with whatever.

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« Reply #231 on: October 15, 2014, 09:37:41 PM »
A great thread,but still very vague on what a magnetic field really is ???
It's a map of how a particular kind of test particle will move, at any particular place in space. I know that's not a very satisfactory answer. You could think of it as an actual warpage of space, like gravity, but only acting not on mass but on charge. What causes the warpage? For EM, it is charge. For gravity, it is mass. Charge and mass/energy are fundamental, conserved quantities. Explain them, and you have explained just about every mystery in physics.
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What has no mass but can exert a force other than photons?,or do magnetic fields have photon's?- I see no light emission from a magnet.Or do magnetic fields have mass- i think not.
Magnetic fields can store momentum. This is almost as good as having mass, when it comes to moving other stuff around by interacting with it. Moving, changing, accelerating back and forth magnetic fields do produce, somehow, photons. They are of such low frequency/long wavelength that they cannot be called "light" and it is more convenient to treat them as waves: radio waves for example. Whatever is making the field oscillate is putting in the energy that is radiated outward as photons of the RF. Sounds like a great movie, dunnit? Photons of the RF....
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Here we have an invisable force made from what?.
Angels. Or little arrows in a 3-d field simulator.  ;)
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If a magnetic field has mass,then we have a looped system,where mass is ejected from one end(known as north) and drawn back in the other end(known as south)-Is this a self running device?.
But they don't, and the field doesn't do that, and nothing is flowing along a field line unless you put it there (like plasma, etc.).
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What is the maximum rate of magnetic ecceleration? If a magnet was traveling at light speed through space,with the north pole leading,would another magnet traveling an inch behind it of the same size,and also with the north pole leading,catch the first magnet. Would it travel faster than the speed of light to latch onto the first magnet?
Now you are asking questions that are above my pay grade. I will have to defer to TA on that one.
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #232 on: October 16, 2014, 12:16:15 AM »
Dear Mag's.

I noticed the very same thing a few weeks back !!  Smiley

Video proof !!??           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLkJz-ZUDb4

Cheers Grum.

Also posted at OUR

Hey Grum

Thanks for showing.  Ill check the vid when I get home. Shop laptop is acting up with vids and such.

Tk says its always been this way..   He also said that the more powerful mags these days are the reason why.

Well, that disk and a stack of them are from about 10 years ago and they are not the strongest puppys I own over that period. Ace hardware pack.

Back then I was setting them up on end like that many times without this issue. In fact I clearly remember thinking how weak the earths field was as I would have to hang the mag from a thread then to have it go back and forth  slowly till finally resting N n S.   I tried a piece of 42 awg wire taped to the edge yesterday and it definitely turns like there is a local source, or, the earths field is stronger, not like I witnessed back then. Ive never had to recheck other tables, out on the sidewalk, in the middle of a street, the kitchen counter, the bathroom vanity just to have some solid verification. Ive had issues with screws or metal framework under a table top and eliminated them and would have to say, never was there an effect like this that was 'too' noticeable to ignore. Was thinking all last night, wow, this is strong enough to offset things if your a magnet motor experimenter.

Anyway, so far, Dreamthinkbuild verified it in NY, and now you.   Now I want to see what others like Lasersaber and Oldscientist, some that would fully see a possible difference as compared to just some years ago due to their vast experience with mags.

Thanks Grum.  (http://www.overunityresearch.com/Smileys/Alive/wink.gif)

Mags

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« Reply #233 on: October 16, 2014, 03:22:15 AM »
Mags:

Mine do it here too.  (Bowling Green, KY)  I have about 100 1/4" dia. x .125 thick neo mags  (N-35) and tried one on it's edge and it spun around quickly.  I stuck 2 of them together it happened with even more gusto.  I have never noticed this before but, I have to say I have never tried this.  I read TK's explanation and he is most probably correct but, I have to say it seems a bit spooky to me to see it happen right here on my bench.

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« Reply #234 on: October 16, 2014, 05:06:34 AM »
Mags:

Mine do it here too.  (Bowling Green, KY)  I have about 100 1/4" dia. x .125 thick neo mags  (N-35) and tried one on it's edge and it spun around quickly.  I stuck 2 of them together it happened with even more gusto.  I have never noticed this before but, I have to say I have never tried this.  I read TK's explanation and he is most probably correct but, I have to say it seems a bit spooky to me to see it happen right here on my bench.

Bill

Hey Bill

Thanks for testing.  Spooky is a good word for it. ;)   looked up YT for neo magnet compass and there are a few in the last couple years with some decent movement. But not any old vids of it.

Where it really was hitting me hard with the whole thing was the fact that the disk kept falling over if it didnt turn. Like I said, these disks are nearly 10 years old. And back then I did play with them on edge while manipulating them from a distance or from under the table with another mag.  This what we are seeing here is not the same experience at all.  This to me was disturbing and delightful with sprinkles and some what the heck sauce. Like back when I was fiddling with the whipmag, taking the seals off of the bearings, cleaning them out real good and using those N42 diametrics, I never seen the likes of this. I had some bearings that would not spin well at all with the mag right on top of it, then others that were a dream spinner with the mag, due to some were less attractive to the mag thus less tensions there. 

They were not as good as the bearings I used graphite in, but better than standing this disk on edge on particle board. Maybe it would be a good idea to put one of those stators back together and see if it tuns N/S like what we are seeing here today.  That was about 6 years ago. Still have those mags, bearings and housing tubes. Back then we were concerned with hardware, bearings magnetic effects on the whipmag system as a whole. So if a stator was pulling toward  something, like a screw in the table, metal framework around the device, what ever, then this earth field issue would have been a big issue back then.

Thanks for the test Bill.  ;D

Mags

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« Reply #235 on: October 16, 2014, 05:06:55 AM »
Sure, and I'm doing it here in South Texas with the n56 discs. If you could mount the magnet in a gimbal you could also see the dip of the field in your area. Take the mounted magnet on a trip and watch the dip angle change as you travel north and south. The closer to the equator you are, the more horizontal (no dip) the field, and so it should be easier to stand the disk on edge and it should orient strongly. In the far North or South, it should be difficult even to stand the magnet on edge, because it will want to align with the dip of the earth's field which gets larger as you approach the pole.

ETA: Let us please not forget that lots of people still are navigating using magnetic compasses to find their way to their destination. And that many different scientific and academic agencies are monitoring the Earth's field continuously.

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« Reply #236 on: October 16, 2014, 05:30:15 AM »
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Hey Grum

Thanks for showing.  Ill check the vid when I get home. Shop laptop is acting up with vids and such.

Tk says its always been this way..   He also said that the more powerful mags these days are the reason why.

Well, that disk and a stack of them are from about 10 years ago and they are not the strongest puppys I own over that period. Ace hardware pack.

Back then I was setting them up on end like that many times without this issue. In fact I clearly remember thinking how weak the earths field was as I would have to hang the mag from a thread then to have it go back and forth  slowly till finally resting N n S.   I tried a piece of 42 awg wire taped to the edge yesterday and it definitely turns like there is a local source, or, the earths field is stronger, not like I witnessed back then. Ive never had to recheck other tables, out on the sidewalk, in the middle of a street, the kitchen counter, the bathroom vanity just to have some solid verification. Ive had issues with screws or metal framework under a table top and eliminated them and would have to say, never was there an effect like this that was 'too' noticeable to ignore. Was thinking all last night, wow, this is strong enough to offset things if your a magnet motor experimenter.

Anyway, so far, Dreamthinkbuild verified it in NY, and now you.   Now I want to see what others like Lasersaber and Oldscientist, some that would fully see a possible difference as compared to just some years ago due to their vast experience with mags.

Thanks Grum.  (http://www.overunityresearch.com/Smileys/Alive/wink.gif)

Mags
Same here in West OZ Mags-a very strong rotation on the disk magnets.Never thought it would be this strong. But i am lost as to how you think this would aid in an all magnet motor ???. What would be the difference in using the earths magnetic field as apposed to that of a PM's magnetic field?.

This actually give me an idea for free energy travel lol-will have to do a video on this one for sure.

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« Reply #237 on: October 16, 2014, 07:39:43 AM »
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Thanks for testing.  Spooky is a good word for it. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)   looked up YT
for neo magnet compass and there are a few in the last couple years with some
decent movement. But not any old vids of it.
We should remember that the concept of flying through the air was also spooky not long ago because most thought it impossible. I would agree this neo magnet compass is something new... to you, however I noticed this effect a very long time ago. Think about it, how small the compass needle is and how small and weak it's field is and how fast it tracks the Earths magnetic field. Now consider your magnet and how powerful it is in relation to a compass needle.
No offense but if were going to move forward people have to stop chasing smoke and mirrors. We must think clearly concerning what we think we see and why it is happening. Now which do you think is more likely... the Earths magnetic field just increased drastically or you just learned something new which should have been obvious?.
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« Reply #238 on: October 16, 2014, 09:12:23 AM »
It's a map of how a particular kind of test particle will move, at any particular place in space. I know that's not a very satisfactory answer. You could think of it as an actual warpage of space, like gravity, but only acting not on mass but on charge. What causes the warpage? For EM, it is charge. For gravity, it is mass. Charge and mass/energy are fundamental, conserved quantities. Explain them, and you have explained just about every mystery in physics. Magnetic fields can store momentum. This is almost as good as having mass, when it comes to moving other stuff around by interacting with it. Moving, changing, accelerating back and forth magnetic fields do produce, somehow, photons. They are of such low frequency/long wavelength that they cannot be called "light" and it is more convenient to treat them as waves: radio waves for example. Whatever is making the field oscillate is putting in the energy that is radiated outward as photons of the RF. Sounds like a great movie, dunnit? Photons of the RF.... Angels. Or little arrows in a 3-d field simulator.  ;)  But they don't, and the field doesn't do that, and nothing is flowing along a field line unless you put it there (like plasma, etc.). Now you are asking questions that are above my pay grade. I will have to defer to TA on that one.
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There must be something that act's against the other something :-\. What i mean is-one magnetic field acts against the other,wether it be like poles ,or unlike poles. You just cant have nothing interacting with another nothing ::) So what dose this invisable force consist of?.

Quote:  They are of such low frequency/long wavelength that they cannot be called "light"
They are called what then?,and would a solar pannel see this low frequency/long wave length?.Wouldnt that be a hoot-throw some magnets on a solar pannel,and produce power without light :D

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« Reply #239 on: October 17, 2014, 02:44:51 AM »
Same here in West OZ Mags-a very strong rotation on the disk magnets.Never thought it would be this strong. But i am lost as to how you think this would aid in an all magnet motor ??? . What would be the difference in using the earths magnetic field as apposed to that of a PM's magnetic field?.

This actually give me an idea for free energy travel lol-will have to do a video on this one for sure.

Never said it would help with making a magnet motor. ;)   I have played pretty heavily with mags for nearly 10 years.  When I had first seen the perendev motor, that was when I got pretty serious. Not that i believe the perendev motor worked, but the idea of it all just really took off for me.

But in all that time doing this that and the other with these neo mags, some of it on YT, tons of it just on the bench, I should have seen this then. I should have seen it 1 year ago, 2 years ago, 8 years ago.  Stood these disks on edge many times and no issues like this.

Did a test today after work.  I set up an identical disk mag on one end of pvc board, 1/8 in has very smooth surface, with masking tape on edge facing N/S. Then I put another disk on edge between the fixed mag and earth N.  8 inches away from each other was a neutral zone where the free standing mag could face E/W without falling over, turning toward the other mag or turning toward N or turning full N.  8 inches.  Im sorry but this should have come to my attention long ago. Im still in disbelief that this isnt something that is more recent of a happening. 

Anyway, 8 inches.  Thats how strong the earths field is, equal to a similar magnet 8 inches away. Like I said, Ive had many issues with nails in a table, or screws, a nearby screw driver causing a mag in a project to want to turn in the direction of that object. And also issues with nearby magnets close to projects that affected desired effects. So this should have affected many of the projects/experiments that i have done. So this strong earth field should have been a problem(noticed AND recognized) for me many times before, considering it is equal to another similar magnet 8 inches away. Thats what I meant about its affects on peoples projects/mag motors, etc.  ;D ;)

Mags

 

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