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Author Topic: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions  (Read 334614 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1695 on: January 27, 2015, 03:00:33 AM »
Wattsup
to think we may be able to alter and harvest from the humble Atom


http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/12/27/lugano-confirmed-replication-report-published-of-hot-cat-device-by-russian-researcher-alexander-g-parkhomov/


and yes @ Wattsup most of us do completely understand where TinMan is coming from.
as well as where He's going.


I suppose once Parkomov's LENR work gets more eyes and hands on it there will be a lot of change in the way we perceive the humble Atom.


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Chet




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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1695 on: January 27, 2015, 03:00:33 AM »

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1696 on: January 27, 2015, 03:04:30 AM »
Wattsup
to think we may be able to alter and harvest from the humble Atom


http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/12/27/lugano-confirmed-replication-report-published-of-hot-cat-device-by-russian-researcher-alexander-g-parkhomov/


and yes @ Wattsup most of us do completely understand where TinMan is coming from.
as well as where He's going.


I suppose once Parkomov's LENR work gets more eyes and hands on it there will be a lot of change in the way we perceive the humble Atom.


respectfully
Chet
Would you care to place a friendly wager on whether or not Parkomov's device is ever validated as producing excess energy over input electrical energy?

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1697 on: January 27, 2015, 03:04:55 AM »
Well anyone can filter out your useless postings and treat them like the ad inserts.

Oh, if only more new members would take that advice and use it on him and his troll bum buddies...the forum wouldn't be the troll train wreck it has spiraled into.

Regards...


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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1697 on: January 27, 2015, 03:04:55 AM »
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Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1698 on: January 27, 2015, 03:07:45 AM »
Would you care to place a friendly wager on whether or not Parkomov's device is ever validated as producing excess energy over input electrical energy?

Hah, easy for him...he's betting with your own tax money.

Regards...


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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1699 on: January 27, 2015, 04:23:01 AM »
Mark E
whats your limit...[being serious]


here is a recent opinion






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Michael McKubre Reviews the Parkhomov Experiment
Posted on January 15, 2015 by Frank Acland • 47 Comments

Thanks to Sanjeev for posting this link in the replication thread.

Michael McKubre, Director of the Energy Research Center of the Materials Research Laboratory at SRI International in Palo Alto, Calfornia, is a well known and long-time researcher in the LENR field, and has published an article in Infinite Energy magazine reviewing the recently published Alexander Parkhomov experiment using a Hot Cat-like device.

As usual, McKubre provides a thorough analysis of the experiment with great attention to the details of the experimental setup and protocols used. He expresses some concerns with Parkhomov’s report — notably the lack of calibration data, but thinks this is an important experiment that deserves to be repeated by Parkhomov and other replicators.

He also expresses confidence in Dr. Parkhomov’s professional credentials, noting that the University is very reputable, and that he (McKubre) has worked with some of Parkhomov’s colleagues over the years.

Here is his conclusion:

   
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As a comment in conclusion, there are gaps and unexplained effects in the data set, notably in the missing calibration data, and the foreground data record is slight. Nevertheless the experiment is clearly specified, easily performed, elegant and sufficiently accurate (with relevant calibration). I would recommend that the experiment be attempted by anyone curious and with the facilities to do so safely, exactly as described. Anything else or more runs the risk of teaching us nothing. I await further word from Parkhomov and reports from further replication teams.
Parkhomov has really captured the attention of the LENR community. His results, if confirmed, are spectacular, and the experiment is very simple, which is very attractive to people who want to try to replicate. I am sure this experiment will be a driving force among LENR enthusiasts during the next weeks and months, and I expect that we will see more replication efforts of Parkhomov going forward.
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1699 on: January 27, 2015, 04:23:01 AM »
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1700 on: January 27, 2015, 04:56:25 AM »
@Mark
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And another man of straw is slain.


LOL, I wasn't aware that this was some kind of competition and if so I was never one for playing childish games. So if you feel compelled to always one up me and you get off on this kind of thing them I'm overjoyed you found some satisfaction in my post as well as your response.


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Sorry but you lost it (and me) when you went into the stuff about the good atoms vs. the defective atoms.  T[/size]hat's whackadoo.


From my perspective I believe wattsup was making reference to free electron scattering in conductors. That is the motive force on an electron by an external magnetic field may cause the electron to step from proton shell to proton shell however it is seldom a direct path (straight line). As such we could say there are good and bad atoms and the good ones would allow the free electron to follow the shortest path from point A to B with the least resistance.


I understand the terminology is a little off beat but the message appears sound in my opinion. To go further, if we had a specific condition in a conductor not unlike Maxwell's demon which could straighten the path of an electron preventing electron scattering then we may have a condition not unlike super-conduction. I believe this was what wattsup was referring to a few pages ago which relates to the post you responded to.


AC




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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1701 on: January 27, 2015, 05:22:27 AM »
@wattsup
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Case in point: @tinman posts something and all of a sudden, a term used in not right and pages go by for what? I understood him perfectly when you consider the context. But you guys just took him to the cleaners on that, so why? You will not understand certain things but you are quick to repost your opinions on every other post and in most thread on this forum. Why?


Here in Canada it is referred to as a pissing contest where one boy always feels compelled to pee a little further than the next to prove himself worthy. Oh it's fun at first but obviously after a while it's just lame and I had a few friends like this growing up. The funny thing is these people always felt superior but behind there back everyone thought there behavior was quite ridiculous and all of us would laugh about it. The fundamental problem was they never quite understood when to quit and they always went too far.
Boys will be boys, lol.


I don't really find it annoying at all more so comical, I mean once you understand what they are doing and why how can you not find it humorous?.


AC

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1701 on: January 27, 2015, 05:22:27 AM »
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1702 on: January 27, 2015, 07:04:08 AM »
Mark E
whats your limit...[being serious]


here is a recent opinion






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Michael McKubre Reviews the Parkhomov Experiment
Posted on January 15, 2015 by Frank Acland • 47 Comments

Thanks to Sanjeev for posting this link in the replication thread.

Michael McKubre, Director of the Energy Research Center of the Materials Research Laboratory at SRI International in Palo Alto, Calfornia, is a well known and long-time researcher in the LENR field, and has published an article in Infinite Energy magazine reviewing the recently published Alexander Parkhomov experiment using a Hot Cat-like device.

As usual, McKubre provides a thorough analysis of the experiment with great attention to the details of the experimental setup and protocols used. He expresses some concerns with Parkhomov’s report — notably the lack of calibration data, but thinks this is an important experiment that deserves to be repeated by Parkhomov and other replicators.

He also expresses confidence in Dr. Parkhomov’s professional credentials, noting that the University is very reputable, and that he (McKubre) has worked with some of Parkhomov’s colleagues over the years.

Here is his conclusion:

   
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As a comment in conclusion, there are gaps and unexplained effects in the data set, notably in the missing calibration data, and the foreground data record is slight. Nevertheless the experiment is clearly specified, easily performed, elegant and sufficiently accurate (with relevant calibration). I would recommend that the experiment be attempted by anyone curious and with the facilities to do so safely, exactly as described. Anything else or more runs the risk of teaching us nothing. I await further word from Parkhomov and reports from further replication teams.
Parkhomov has really captured the attention of the LENR community. His results, if confirmed, are spectacular, and the experiment is very simple, which is very attractive to people who want to try to replicate. I am sure this experiment will be a driving force among LENR enthusiasts during the next weeks and months, and I expect that we will see more replication efforts of Parkhomov going forward.
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McKubre has over the years said nice things about a whole bunch of claims that never panned out.  I don't think he even criticized Steorn after they wasted two and a half years of his time as one of their 22 hand picked jurors.  If you are unfamiliar with the Steorn fiasco, it's a case study in how long con artists can keep a farce going if they are just brazen enough.  They declared they had working perpetual motion machines and that their problem was they couldn't get any scientists to give them an honest look and report.  McKubre was one of 22 jurors whom Steorn picked to evaluate their claims.  In the end, it turns out that Steorn never gave the jurors a machine or access to a machine to evaluate.  IOW, Steorn blocked the jurors from doing the very thing that Steorn declared they needed the jurors to do.  It was shameless and scandalous.  As far as I know, McKubre has never spoken out concerning Steorn.

In the quote you've cited McKubre ticked off a laundry list of why the experiment data is completely worthless. 

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1703 on: January 27, 2015, 09:28:46 AM »

Mark E quote


"COMPLETELY WORTHLESS"
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HHMMmmmm  yeah he really sounds  like he's trying to convey that  point


Quote  Michael McKubre

Parkhomov has really captured the attention of the LENR community. His results, if confirmed, are spectacular, and the experiment is very simple, which is very attractive to people who want to try to replicate. I am sure this experiment will be a driving force among LENR enthusiasts during the next weeks and months, and I expect that we will see more replication efforts of Parkhomov going forward.

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your comparing LENR research with steorn is a "spot on" analogy


so pull your wallet out


what's your limit ?


Thx
Chet

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1703 on: January 27, 2015, 09:28:46 AM »
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1704 on: January 27, 2015, 10:18:15 AM »
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As a comment in conclusion, there are gaps and unexplained effects in the data set, notably in the missing calibration data, and the foreground data record is slight.
No calibration means that no one knows what was actually measured.  IE, the results are worthless.

If you win, I donate $1000. to the charity of your choice.  If I win, you donate $1000. to the charity of my choice.

You win if before Jan 1st, 2016 any accredited university publish results of experiments where they report that they have reproduced Parkomov's set-up and agree that they observe excess output energy versus input above their error bars and attribute that energy to any:  LENR / LANR / CF.  If no such report is forthcoming by Jan 1st, 2016, then I win.  Loser will publish to the winner proof of payment.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1705 on: January 27, 2015, 12:16:15 PM »
That's a pretty high standard of evidence.

I'd settle for just one cheezburger, cooked by the excess energy output of the device.

With mayo, of course.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1706 on: January 27, 2015, 03:27:39 PM »

Mark E

Exactly what "no calibration" means in this case ....
I Stopped assuming a Loooong time ago,I do know that fellows like yourself
[true supporters of this work] ,would consider a calibration report Void if 3 secs
past calibration Date .and not bother submitting it ..[yes a screw up ]


Or are they talking about a calibrated control ?,  gee that would be a huge problem too  ::)


could be the biggest Moot point in the report..



I stopped using my crystal ball and wigi board to acquire information  a long time ago ,since about the time the telephone came into being  :o


I appreciate them sharing this information with us free of charge
unlike yourself Mark E,when it gets this simple ...


I have nothing but gratitude


I suppose your seventh Grade science class would be able to _start_experiments here if they would have a decent teacher.. and maybe a 100 dollar budget..
and of course the experiments could get fancier even to the point Of symphonies and
other mixtures /recipes ..
ala solar hydrogen technologies ,maybe Konstantin will take a bit of your action
   if you put your "Bigboy " pants on  ,


Jack might even step up to the table ?


respectfully
Chet


 

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1707 on: January 27, 2015, 04:04:27 PM »
@MarkE

WTF do you know about atoms? Who the hell made you an authority on such matters and before you posted your comment, did you take any time to investigate the question between the time you read my post and posted your crap. Obviously not but that is not surprising since you have a quota to meet.

6% is nothing, tell that to anyone working on OU devices you fool.

So I guess the title of this thread is "Let's all kiss @MarkE' ass of approval". How pompous a jackass you can be has gone beyond any limitation. You actually think you know something about OU.

I will not waste any more time on your low level comments as we already know what they will be and already know you will never teach anyone anything on this forum. You are just an old man, looking for a venue to vent your rapid fire posts.

Who the fuck are you anyway. Let's see.....

Date registered: January 09, 2014, 04:25:06 AM (Just over one year)
15 posts just on Jan 26th, 2015 (yesterday)
4804 posts since registered. (Wow... man... you definitely have a problem.)

You either have to be totally out of your mind to post so much or you are just sick, being on an OU forum, not being OU vetted, not having anything positive to say towards OU, never showing OU works on the bench, you are just here to blow away your day after day after day life........... of WHAT? Picking your ass, typing away then licking your keyboard probably sums up your day fairly well. hahahahahahaha

What a loser. You had an opportunity to enter into some great conversation but you will only skim the surface as usual, be totally judgmental as usual, and just steer threads away from any deep discourse, as usual. You are simply pointless, but I guess you knew that already. 4804 posts saying nothing. Just great.

@all

I wanted to come back here to see if things really changed, but they have not. This forum is rigged. So keep pulsing those coils and keep wondering why you have no OU. Meanwhile others like myself will look deeper and deeper to find the answers. Posting ideas, like this thread title says. You guys are not interested in new ideas so just keep doing your thing and good luck. I'm off this thread and will just go to my locked thread and repost everything there fro now on, where jerk off rapid fire posts cannot enter. Just sick.

wattsup

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1708 on: January 27, 2015, 04:10:22 PM »
Mark E

Exactly what "no calibration" means in this case ....
It means that the investigator failed to establish what his instruments could and could not measure accurately.  Absent that information the measurements are basically meaningless.
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I Stopped assuming a Loooong time ago,I do know that fellows like yourself
[true supporters of this work] ,would consider a calibration report Void if 3 secs
past calibration Date .and not bother submitting it ..[yes a screw up ]
There you go making assertions without foundation. ... Again.
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Or are they talking about a calibrated control ?,  gee that would be a huge problem too  ::)
See above.
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could be the biggest Moot point in the report..
If you think so then you don't understand how scientific experiments work.
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I stopped using my crystal ball and wigi board to acquire information  a long time ago ,since about the time the telephone came into being  :o


I appreciate them sharing this information with us free of charge
unlike yourself Mark E,when it gets this simple ...
You can look at it this way:  If it is really all so simple and obvious as you purport then any day now there should be multiple successful replications and LENR will finally be here.  OTOH, a dearth of replications should suggest that there are "issues".
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I have nothing but gratitude


I suppose your seventh Grade science class would be able to _start_experiments here if they would have a decent teacher.. and maybe a 100 dollar budget..
and of course the experiments could get fancier even to the point Of symphonies and
other mixtures /recipes ..
ala solar hydrogen technologies ,maybe Konstantin will take a bit of your action
   if you put your "Bigboy " pants on  ,


Jack might even step up to the table ?


respectfully
Chet
If you think it is trivial, then maybe you should put those "big boy" pants on yourself and show us all how it is done.  Or you can keep hurling childish insults.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1709 on: January 27, 2015, 04:14:21 PM »
@MarkE

WTF do you know about atoms? Who the hell made you an authority on such matters and before you posted your comment, did you take any time to investigate the question between the time you read my post and posted your crap. Obviously not but that is not surprising since you have a quota to meet.
LOL, where is your evidence for "defective atoms"?
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6% is nothing, tell that to anyone working on OU devices you fool.

So I guess the title of this thread is "Let's all kiss @MarkE' ass of approval". How pompous a jackass you can be has gone beyond any limitation. You actually think you know something about OU.
Do you have something to offer other than ad hominem attack?
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I will not waste any more time on your low level comments as we already know what they will be and already know you will never teach anyone anything on this forum. You are just an old man, looking for a venue to vent your rapid fire posts.

Who the fuck are you anyway. Let's see.....

Date registered: January 09, 2014, 04:25:06 AM (Just over one year)
15 posts just on Jan 26th, 2015 (yesterday)
4804 posts since registered. (Wow... man... you definitely have a problem.)

You either have to be totally out of your mind to post so much or you are just sick, being on an OU forum, not being OU vetted, not having anything positive to say towards OU, never showing OU works on the bench, you are just here to blow away your day after day after day life........... of WHAT? Picking your ass, typing away then licking your keyboard probably sums up your day fairly well. hahahahahahaha

What a loser. You had an opportunity to enter into some great conversation but you will only skim the surface as usual, be totally judgmental as usual, and just steer threads away from any deep discourse, as usual. You are simply pointless, but I guess you knew that already. 4804 posts saying nothing. Just great.
More ad hom attacks.  How boring.
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@all

I wanted to come back here to see if things really changed, but they have not. This forum is rigged. So keep pulsing those coils and keep wondering why you have no OU. Meanwhile others like myself will look deeper and deeper to find the answers. Posting ideas, like this thread title says. You guys are not interested in new ideas so just keep doing your thing and good luck. I'm off this thread and will just go to my locked thread and repost everything there fro now on, where jerk off rapid fire posts cannot enter. Just sick.

wattsup
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