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Author Topic: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions  (Read 361843 times)

Offline tinman

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1575 on: January 24, 2015, 03:42:22 PM »
@tinman
You seem to be confusing even the most basic terms and concepts and I would recommend going to the website below and reading all the explanations.
http://amasci.com/miscon/whatis.html
It is by far the best site I have ever seen concerning common sense explanations that anyone can understand.
AC
OK-this is bullshit.
What creates the power coming from a battery-thats right,chemical energy.
So when i say is the energy equal stored within the gas and disipated as heat to that of the energy going into the cell-then thats exactly what i mean.--->>>energy in to energy out.
The primary energy is chemical. The secondary state is electrical power in.

Why dose it always have to be so hard-it's like working for the linch mob here.

You know what-im done

Enjoy

Oh to be so bloody perfect AC.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1575 on: January 24, 2015, 03:42:22 PM »

Offline verpies

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1576 on: January 24, 2015, 03:50:51 PM »
...look at the picture below,and answer this very simple question.
Account for all the energies out,...
So you put some electric energy in and get the following out:
1) Chemical bond energy
2) Buoyancy of the gas bubbles due to phase change.
3) Heat energy (or cooling) depending whether the electrolysis is performed in the exothermic or endothermic region (see diagram below).

Offline MarkE

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1577 on: January 24, 2015, 04:06:37 PM »
Cool-so what about PM's-->where is there electrical charge?
You mean where is the moving charge?  And the conventional answer is it is the electron spin.  It is NOT the electron charge.
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Could it be those negatively and positively charges i was talking about some time back?,that have a close association to that of static charges-
Absolutely not, see above.
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Quote: The electrostatic force is what causes opposite charges to attract, and like charges to repel. Electrons, negatively charged, tend to stick to protons, positively charged. Two protons would repel each other, as would two electrons.

They forgot to add that positively and negatively charges are also attracted to neutral charges.
No they do not.  Neutrons do not electrostatically attract protons or electrons.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1577 on: January 24, 2015, 04:06:37 PM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1578 on: January 24, 2015, 04:35:06 PM »
@MarkLet's be perfectly clear, first you cannot know everyone/no one so that is a lie, thus you cannot know that "no one has ever offered reliable evidence of it" which is also a lie and the conservation of energy does not negate free energy which is a false belief.
So you have reliable evidence of free energy do you?  Or you can locate reliable evidence of free energy can you?
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I mean your arguments are simply ridiculous because logically I can tear them apart without even trying. Come on Mark you can do better than that because your last post was pre-school in my opinion.
AC
Evidence, where is your evidence?

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1579 on: January 24, 2015, 07:33:39 PM »
Mark E
hello ,I hope your having a nice day today
  I ask you a question and this is just based on the
contributions here in this thread,  which in my opinion [and others] are _either_ examples of
suppression ,or milking the cash Cow alah "hopegirl" but in this case with OUR tax dollars which unlike Hopegirls voluntary donations we pay for this cash cow or else face prison sentence.

  Here AC shared a very promising simple solar tech which pffers stupefying potential
in the year 2002....
13 years and this simple game changing  tech is where??


http://www2.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/MSD-full-spectrum-solar-cell.html

why don't you find out for us Mark E ,I'm tired of carrying water for you only to have you kick the pail over and laugh.

call them and ask why our tax dollars are going to these "hopegirl" public projects ??
that we were told would be very simple and to expect shortly...
or maybe MH can call and report back ??

IS THERE  A CRIME BEING PERPETRATED  , FRAUD,  SCAM  ??

suppression ??
 other issues??
13 years ...come on,    you boys are our champions  :)

do us some real good .....
respectfully
Chet
PS
and you often ask me why my sentences are chopped up or all over the place
seems your computer does not suffer the same afflictions as mine on these pages.

must be nice...

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1579 on: January 24, 2015, 07:33:39 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1580 on: January 24, 2015, 07:47:33 PM »
Mark
and please..hold yourself to the same standards as you hold _ME_

no google smarts or cut and paste or mr wizard stuff

pick up the phone and make the call and report back...don't have one of  your "colleagues"
do it.
well I suppose  MH can do it ,I believe he said he makes calls on fraudsters and scammers posting in this forum all the time  [[GDS?]??

respectfully
Chet
Ps
it would be a wonderful service to the community, its what you do everyday already
don't let this get legs [suppression] _OR_ conversely you can  save us from the scammers.....
OR ???


Offline poynt99

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1581 on: January 24, 2015, 07:50:12 PM »
OK-this is bullshit.
What creates the power coming from a battery-thats right,chemical energy.
So when i say is the energy equal stored within the gas and disipated as heat to that of the energy going into the cell-then thats exactly what i mean.--->>>energy in to energy out.
The primary energy is chemical. The secondary state is electrical power in.

Why dose it always have to be so hard-it's like working for the linch mob here.

You know what-im done

Enjoy

Oh to be so bloody perfect AC.

Try to see the positive side of this Brad. We're simply trying to ascertain more precisely what you mean. So when you appear to be mixing the terms energy and power, I for one need to ask for clarification, because they are not equals. The wording on your first post made it impossible to answer the question, because two related but distinctly different concepts were being interchanged.

Energy is energy, and power is power. Energy is basically power times time. Therefore one must try to be consistent with their terms when discussing total energy or power. Choose either term, but not both (in most cases).

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1581 on: January 24, 2015, 07:50:12 PM »
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Offline poynt99

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1582 on: January 24, 2015, 08:06:15 PM »
Oh, shifting the responsibility to the electric force.
That's like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

So you know what I have to ask you now ;(
What causes the electric force, then ?

First, is the force between two wires caused by the electric force between charges, or the force between moving charge and that which is creating a magnetic field?

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1583 on: January 24, 2015, 08:32:09 PM »
Mark E
hello ,I hope your having a nice day today
  I ask you a question and this is just based on the
contributions here in this thread,  which in my opinion [and others] are _either_ examples of
suppression ,or milking the cash Cow alah "hopegirl" but in this case with OUR tax dollars which unlike Hopegirls voluntary donations we pay for this cash cow or else face prison sentence.

  Here AC shared a very promising simple solar tech which pffers stupefying potential
in the year 2002....
13 years and this simple game changing  tech is where??


http://www2.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/MSD-full-spectrum-solar-cell.html
Lots of things show initial promise and run into challenges.    If you want more details go dig up Walukiewicz's work over the past decade.  He is still running that solar energy materials group at Berkeley.  It is not as though he got shipped off to some foreign prison for top scientists.  That group at Berkeley like the LED group as UCSB are both well-funded and making big contributions to solar module efficiency at Berkeley and LED efficiency at UCSB.
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why don't you find out for us Mark E ,I'm tired of carrying water for you only to have you kick the pail over and laugh.
I laugh at ridiculous ideas like conspiracy theories that lack any credible evidence.
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call them and ask why our tax dollars are going to these "hopegirl" public projects ??
How you compare legitimate work being performed at premiere institutions by top scientists with the con artist Robitaille clan is beyond me.
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that we were told would be very simple and to expect shortly...
They did not say such things.  They said they made significant discoveries about those particular III-V materials that offered promise.  And they do.  The Robitailles simply lied and claimed an over unity that never existed.
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or maybe MH can call and report back ??

IS THERE  A CRIME BEING PERPETRATED  , FRAUD,  SCAM  ??

suppression ??
 other issues??
13 years ...come on,    you boys are our champions  :)

do us some real good .....
respectfully
Chet
PS
and you often ask me why my sentences are chopped up or all over the place
seems your computer does not suffer the same afflictions as mine on these pages.

must be nice...
Your verbage continues to be a train wreck.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1583 on: January 24, 2015, 08:32:09 PM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1584 on: January 24, 2015, 08:35:37 PM »
Mark
and please..hold yourself to the same standards as you hold _ME_

no google smarts or cut and paste or mr wizard stuff

pick up the phone and make the call and report back...don't have one of  your "colleagues"
do it.
well I suppose  MH can do it ,I believe he said he makes calls on fraudsters and scammers posting in this forum all the time  [[GDS?]??

respectfully
Chet
Ps
it would be a wonderful service to the community, its what you do everyday already
don't let this get legs [suppression] _OR_ conversely you can  save us from the scammers.....
OR ???
Are you drunk or high on something?  GDS is a fraud.  Within the coming seven weeks, you can take it to the bank that Greg Potter will again move the goal posts.

Offline picowatt

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1585 on: January 24, 2015, 08:35:47 PM »
Mark E
hello ,I hope your having a nice day today
  I ask you a question and this is just based on the
contributions here in this thread,  which in my opinion [and others] are _either_ examples of
suppression ,or milking the cash Cow alah "hopegirl" but in this case with OUR tax dollars which unlike Hopegirls voluntary donations we pay for this cash cow or else face prison sentence.

  Here AC shared a very promising simple solar tech which pffers stupefying potential
in the year 2002....
13 years and this simple game changing  tech is where??


http://www2.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/MSD-full-spectrum-solar-cell.html

why don't you find out for us Mark E ,I'm tired of carrying water for you only to have you kick the pail over and laugh.

call them and ask why our tax dollars are going to these "hopegirl" public projects ??
that we were told would be very simple and to expect shortly...
or maybe MH can call and report back ??

IS THERE  A CRIME BEING PERPETRATED  , FRAUD,  SCAM  ??

suppression ??
 other issues??
13 years ...come on,    you boys are our champions  :)

do us some real good .....
respectfully
Chet
PS
and you often ask me why my sentences are chopped up or all over the place
seems your computer does not suffer the same afflictions as mine on these pages.

must be nice...

Rather than having to be some great conspiracy, how about the reason just being related to materials sciences and commercialization hurdles?  Having something perform in a lab setting as compared to being able to sit on a roof for 20 years is sometimes a huge difference.  As well, if something is three times as efficient but costs ten times as much, it is not going to gain much of a foot hold other than for space or military applications.

However, scientists are indeed working on making these panels commercially viable (lower cost, longer life).

 http://www.academia.edu/2635794/Progress_in_Indium_Gallium_Nitride_Materials_for_Solar_Photovoltaic_Energy_Conversion

Additional searches will yield many more results.

Yes, if we applied a "Manhattan Project style, full steam ahead regardless of cost or manpower" approach to some of these issues, we could surely speed them up.

However, if these new cells looked all that easy to produce in commercial quantities with greater efficiencies and reasonable lifetimes/costs with only minimal development required, surely a country like Germany would have invested heavily in or waited for these panels, as they have been putting up a lot of solar.  Hopefully, by the time their existing panels reach end of life efficiencies, they will be able to replace their existing panels with higher efficiency panels allowing them to increase production further.

Similarly, iron nitride is a very promising replacement (next gen) for NdFeB magnets.  At this time however, it is bogged down in materials science as they attempt to grow the stuff in bulk while maintaining mostly FE16N2 throughout.

Sometimes it just takes time (and money...)

PW

 

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1585 on: January 24, 2015, 08:35:47 PM »
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Offline allcanadian

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1586 on: January 24, 2015, 09:35:46 PM »
@tinman
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OK-this is bullshit.[/size]What creates the power coming from a battery-thats right,chemical energy.So when i say is the energy equal stored within the gas and disipated as heat to that of the energy going into the cell-then thats exactly what i mean.--->>>energy in to energy out.The primary energy is chemical. The secondary state is electrical power in.Why dose it always have to be so hard-it's like working for the linch mob here.You know what-im done


I guess I should have been more specific...my bad. I read some of your posts concerning energy and power and charges etc... and the context and definitions seemed muddled. I then posted the website because that was where I found some real insight that made perfect sense to me a very long time ago. The website explains the nuts and bolts of what we are talking about here and if we want to move forward we need a solid foundation to build on.


I wasn't commenting on your electrolysis experiment, I have no interest in it, been there done that moved on. As well I'm not quite sure how electrolysis relates to magnet myths and misconceptions?.


AC

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1587 on: January 24, 2015, 09:59:41 PM »
Mark E
so that's a No, you will not personally investigate this...,much quicker and saves bandwidth


and what does Drinking have to do with MH making phone calls about GDS and scams ?


[ "DRUNK ?" an example of how you twist  words , and routinely make libelous and nonsensical  statements.]

thx
Chet

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1588 on: January 24, 2015, 10:45:23 PM »
Surely off topic but about Solar Panels I would like to know.......

If you had two identical but small solar panels with same battery and volt meter each, both out in the same sunlight, but in front of one of them you place a rheostat and fan so that the blades can slowly pass over one of the solar panels at let's say 1 pass per second, which solar panel will produce the highest battery charge?

So, does the RMS value of sunlight produce more then a frequent peak to peak of sunlight. If peak to peak wins, this would explain the lush Amazonian ground growth despite the heavy tree canopy.

wattsup


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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1589 on: January 24, 2015, 11:59:56 PM »
Mark E
so that's a No, you will not personally investigate this...,much quicker and saves bandwidth
Why should anyone bother to investigate your absurd conspiracy theory Chet?
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and what does Drinking have to do with MH making phone calls about GDS and scams ?
LOL, I asked if your bizarre nonsensical post, in particular your conspiracy theory and continued faith in the fraud Greg Potter are the result of you drinking or being high.  Your disjoint and illogical response does little to dispel the possibility of either.
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[ "DRUNK ?" an example of how you twist  words , and routinely make libelous and nonsensical  statements.]
The only twisted here is the mangled logic, if one can even call what you are using is logic of any kind.
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thx
Chet

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Quote from: ramset on Today at 07:47:33 PM

    Mark
    and please..hold yourself to the same standards as you hold _ME_

    no google smarts or cut and paste or mr wizard stuff

    pick up the phone and make the call and report back...don't have one of  your "colleagues"
    do it.
    well I suppose  MH can do it ,I believe he said he makes calls on fraudsters and scammers posting in this forum all the time  [[GDS?]??

    respectfully
    Chet
    Ps
    it would be a wonderful service to the community, its what you do everyday already
    don't let this get legs [suppression] _OR_ conversely you can  save us from the scammers.....
    OR ???

Are you drunk or high on something?  GDS is a fraud.  Within the coming seven weeks, you can take it to the bank that Greg Potter will again move the goal posts.

 

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