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Author Topic: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions  (Read 421143 times)

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1140 on: January 15, 2015, 01:23:48 AM »
Bill Alek's  device does not work as he claims.  It is nothing more than a transformer with lots of leakage inductance.  Bad measurements lead out dumb conclusions.  If Bill Alek wants to reach a conclusion he need only rent or buy a pair of power analyzers.  He can then configure as he does in his demonstrations where he thinks that the load drives the source and reconcile that with the fact that he hasn't been able to make any device generate net surplus power.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1141 on: January 15, 2015, 01:27:30 AM »
@ALL

Think Magnetic Oscillator!

Like the Hydraulic Ram Pump is a Gravitic Oscillator! 300+ years of history behind this device!

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1142 on: January 15, 2015, 01:28:59 AM »
@ALL - Again I ask:

"Electricity is not made by the generator, it is merely captured or pumped."

Why? How? Ask Questions!!!

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1142 on: January 15, 2015, 01:28:59 AM »
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1143 on: January 15, 2015, 01:51:09 AM »
@ALL - Another quote from another brilliant mind:

"This resulted in a current gain in the secondary, relative to the primary. Lenz's law was bypassed, and free-energy resulted. An alternate explanation for the current gain in the UDT is to consider each secondary winding as acting as the primary winding for the other secondary winding when an output current is drawn because the two secondary windings generate geometrically opposing fields."

URL: http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device

The above document is perhaps the best read in all of the Energy Field!

Again: "we can see that when the Transformer is loaded, there is a NET ZERO Magnetic Field. This means the Ampere Turns on the primary are equal but opposite to the Ampere Turns on the secondary, or close to it. Where the Vector of each Magnetic Field sum’s to ZERO!!!"

Please start asking questions, in your mind, Why?

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1144 on: January 15, 2015, 02:06:30 AM »
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"The generators that now furnish our electric power do not create or originate any power or electricity; they merely direct "pump" the existing energy or electricity."

They convert brute force mechanical power into brute force electrical power.  They are simply transformers.  If you take the water analogy, the electric field generated in the output coil could be viewed as a pressure pump.  As you travel along the length of the coil you are going up in potential (pressure) due to the 'pushing' electric field inside the coil.  In other words, as you walk along the electric field inside the wire you go up in potential.

For the bucking coils clip, someone could do that test without too much difficulty.  You could measure the AC power going though the primary and secondary quite easily.  A signal generator and an audio amp and a few multimeters and a big fat 8-ohm resistor and a variable load resistor and some odds and ends and you would be able to see what was going on.  The results will be as expected.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1145 on: January 15, 2015, 02:21:53 AM »
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No answers?

Please, I ask you Please start thinking about this! It all makes sense once the right thinking is obtained! My Work, and Bill's, uses exactly the same principals as Paul Raymond Jensen!

Stan Meyer also used the same principals in his VIC Circuit!

Please read and study:

URL 1: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf
URL 2: http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device

Please start asking questions, in your mind, Why?

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1146 on: January 15, 2015, 02:41:56 AM »
How about you post some timing diagrams for your transformer circuit?  Show us where the alleged over unity manifests itself.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1147 on: January 15, 2015, 02:50:44 AM »
@ALL

Between 4/5 years ago I did a set of experiments that led to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM

I published the above video nearly 4 Years ago now.

Approximately 2 years ago, I did this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY

I published the above video nearly 3 Months ago now.

I have already given all my work freely - Its now up to You!

Please start asking questions, in your mind, Why?

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1148 on: January 15, 2015, 02:51:30 AM »
Hi Chris,

Very interesting material...could you post some timing diagrams for your transformer circuit...showing where the over unity manifests itself ?


That is how I would respond to Chris...that is, unless I was just here to antagonize and demean people for their efforts.

Regards...


 

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1148 on: January 15, 2015, 02:51:30 AM »
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1149 on: January 15, 2015, 02:58:52 AM »
Hi Chris,

Very interesting material...could you post some timing diagrams for your transformer circuit...showing where the over unity manifests itself ?


That is how I would respond to Chris...that is, unless I was just here to antagonize and demean people for their efforts.

Regards...

Hi Cap-Z-ro,

URL: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

There is still a lot I do not know. I explain a lot in this document. No Timing Diagrams, but I give the reasons why in there.

I have learnt a lot, but I still have some ways to go! I don't have all the answers yet. Once an understanding is obtained, these devices self-run which is the proof of Excess Energy!

Some more information can be obtained here: http://www.hyiq.org/Updates/Update?Name=Update%2026-08-11 - In particular in the Transcribed Lab Notes.

Speculation: I believe, as Paul Raymond Jensen did, excess energy comes simply from Excess or Excited Charge Carrier Separation. It Pumps the Charge Carriers. Like I was trying to point out in the Quote's from T Henry Moray! One could say, this device avoids Lenz's Law.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1150 on: January 15, 2015, 06:32:35 AM »
I read the first few pages of the pdf and skimmed through the rest.  I noticed the Bloch wall gets a lot of discussion, hence the big debate.

From the first pages:

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I encourage experiments with the Bloch Wall. I have a small iron lamination with a hole in one end
and I have cut it in half and made it into an arrow shape on the end, it’s tied to a small piece of wire
and I wave the Iron Lamination over the Bloch Wall. The Lamination will Jump over the Bloch Wall
with extreme reluctance. It’s as if there is an invisible wall of force that the Iron Lamination can only
reluctantly pass.

The reason your iron lamination jumps over what you think is the Bloch wall is because on either side there is much stronger magnetic attraction.  So there is no jumping, it's essentially the opposite of what you are suggesting.  I remember seeing it in your video clip.

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Here in lies a very serious problem! It’s not bought up anywhere as far as I can tell. This definition
does NOT explain how Mechanical Rotational Energy is converted into Electrical Energy on the
Output Terminals. Energy in the form of Mechanical Rotation simply is not the actual causality of the
Energy on the Output Terminals!

Yes it is.

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Put simply, a combination of the Conductors and the Electromagnetic Fields in “Electric Generators”
separate Charge Carriers, positive one way, and Negative the other way, making one Terminal
become Positively Charged and the other Negatively Charged. This will change depending on the
polarity of the Induction Cycle inside the “Electric Generator”. This is simply a Sine Wave output.

This idea of one terminal of a coil becoming negatively charged and the other positively charged is completely wrong and I would even go so far as to call that a totally naive view.  There is no build up of charge on the terminals under normal operation driving a load.  There is simply current flow.  There is an electric field inside the wires creating potential but that is not to be confused with any charge differential.

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Ideally, these devices work with a Step Up configuration. 1:3 is a common Ratio. That’s one turn on
the input to 3 turns on the output. Current, as you may think, is not stepped down as a result of the
Voltage being stepped up.

Current is stepped down as a result of voltage being stepped up.  Of course anybody familiar with transformers knows that you are making an incorrect claim here.  Suspension of disbelief is not an option.

My take from this is that you, Chris, would have to do convincing and properly executed bench experiments because the pdf doc is not convincing or credible at all.  So there is no point to debate the doc as far as I am personally concerned.

There is a kind of Catch 22 though.  I am not convinced that you have the knowledge and skill set to do the experiments properly.  If you could find someone to work with that was real, that truly knew their stuff, that would be a far preferable option.

In a nutshell and to quote Mark Dansie, show me the data.

MileHigh

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1151 on: January 15, 2015, 06:34:08 AM »
Can some one please post the link for the magnet myths and misconceptions thread, as I keep getting diverted here to the markeemjunkiemilehighshitfest thread.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1152 on: January 15, 2015, 06:48:43 AM »
That wasn't a shit fest yesterday, it was a vigorous debate and some people might find it important.  You can't bluff your way through electronics or make up your own rules for electronics.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1153 on: January 15, 2015, 06:51:20 AM »
Can some one please post the link for the magnet myths and misconceptions thread, as I keep getting diverted here to the markeemjunkiemilehighshitfest thread.
What would you like to discuss? 

Would you like to discuss the curious idea that a 1:3 step up transformer can step up the voltage, and the current does not step down 3:1?

PIN = VIN*IIN
POUT = VOUT*IOUT

So if VOUT = 3*VIN and IOUT>IIN/3 the output power is greater than the input.  If that sustains, then we get free (or at least apparently free) energy.



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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1154 on: January 15, 2015, 07:23:07 AM »
What would you like to discuss? 

Would you like to discuss the curious idea that a 1:3 step up transformer can step up the voltage, and the current does not step down 3:1?

PIN = VIN*IIN
POUT = VOUT*IOUT

So if VOUT = 3*VIN and IOUT>IIN/3 the output power is greater than the input.  If that sustains, then we get free (or at least apparently free) energy.
How about the thread topic, or have we moved onto transformers?
You have been that busy with EMJ, and trying to correct everything he states, you missed 3questions I posted related to the thread title-about 9 pages back.

But anyway, do carry on.

 

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