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Author Topic: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions  (Read 458456 times)

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1095 on: January 14, 2015, 11:33:08 AM »
More MarkE denial!

The exponential dependences of VL and VR are approximated as straight lines and it has been assumed that RL = 0

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1096 on: January 14, 2015, 11:48:53 AM »
The exponential dependences of VL and VR are approximated as straight lines and it has been assumed that RL = 0
MH did not assume zero resistance.  He stipulated it.  You are once again clobbering your own arguments.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1097 on: January 14, 2015, 11:52:20 AM »
This is really sad.  Who do you hope to impress with such childish antics?
He would make a fascinating subject for a psychiatric case study. Total lack of self-criticism, emotional outbursts, perception of  disagreement as a personal attack, Ad Hominem defenses, lack of basic reasoning skills and many more intellectual and affective disorders that I do not even know how to name.
I wonder how old he is really.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1097 on: January 14, 2015, 11:52:20 AM »
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1098 on: January 14, 2015, 12:07:56 PM »
He would make a fascinating subject for a psychiatric case study. Total lack of self-criticism, emotional outbursts, perception of  disagreement as a personal attack, Ad Hominem defenses, lack of basic reasoning skills and many more intellectual and affective disorders that I do not even know how to name.
I wonder how old he is really.

NoBull - I think you need to reword your argument! Maybe try to use words you know the meaning too?

Youre Funny!

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1099 on: January 14, 2015, 12:11:00 PM »
MH did not assume zero resistance.  He stipulated it.  You are once again clobbering your own arguments.

Not at all MarkE! I merely pasted a line of the pdf I posted!

I wonder who is clobbering what here? You once again have assumed something. Your first problem is, just as MileHogh's is, assumption!

I proved a Point here again - Stupidity has presented itself on your part.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1099 on: January 14, 2015, 12:11:00 PM »
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1100 on: January 14, 2015, 12:17:03 PM »

For others here with some actual intent on getting somewhere. I have found in my search a handy document with lots of references: http://web.mit.edu/8.02t/www/materials/StudyGuide/guide11.pdf

Its quite useful for reference!

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1101 on: January 14, 2015, 12:25:50 PM »
I can say to all others here, my devices, like Bill Alek's, do work as I have stated. Some 4/5 years ago I did an experiment that broke through all the boundaries of Conventional Thinking! Even though Juveniles here are doing the best they can to discredit them!

I have proven this in the last 200 posts here that not all people will meet with an open mind! Some people will refute and dispute no matter what! There is no getting through to some people. As you have seen here it will be along road for us that take up the next chapter!

Do some simple experiments and you will see the path.

The information is there already! Its been done many hundreds of times through history! Its no longer a secret.

The Juveniles here will not succeed in holding back the truth! Their lunatic self importance will be over come with guilt, its called Karma. Wow is it going to hit them hard!

So learn it, use it share it!

Secure your future don't let idiots like these few minority of Juveniles here ruin it for all. The world is about to change in ways that many will never imagine! Not because of what I have given but for other reasons!

I have given all my work free, so this surely speaks volumes!

Where the truth is: www.hyiq.org

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Offline tinman

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1102 on: January 14, 2015, 01:43:55 PM »
@TinmanIt really irritates me that this same juvenile behavior still continues today and that so many people are claiming that something is impossible or must violate the laws of physics without having any knowledge of what is actually happening. The fact remains that the scientific community called the DWFTTW engineers liers to their face and prostituted their laws to justify their own misguided opinions. They lied outright to everyone then when proven wrong they tried to sugar coat the whole scenario so they wouldn't look like the fools they obviously are, it was embarrassing for everyone involved.
So the lesson here is we should not be so quick to judge anyone until we have all the facts regardless of who we are or what we think we know. Context Matters
AC
Indeed AC
We have seen this in the other place.
It presides here-the be all and end all, the-I am right-you are wrong attitude. This was seen in the 3gages diagram I posted. We all know that the water will seek the point of the lowest energy state. But anyway, water under the bridge.

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1103 on: January 14, 2015, 01:51:36 PM »
Do we agree that it is the eddy currents induced in the copper pipe that do the heating?  Do we agree that if we accelerate a mass in a frictionless environment that neither the acceleration nor the resultant velocity heat the mass? Do we agree that the power induced in a coil is:  VINDUCED2/R?  Do we agree that where R is small as in a chunk of copper that the resulting power is much greater than where R is much larger as in a magnet?

If we agree on all these points, do you still have a question?
Im guessing a simple yes or no was just to much to ask. I was asking you the question-not because I dont know, but to see if you do.
While were here-what free space do you refer  to?, and what is your definition of ! Free space!?

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1103 on: January 14, 2015, 01:51:36 PM »
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1104 on: January 14, 2015, 03:01:45 PM »
Waitress, could we please get some coffee for Joel over here to go with his humble pie?

Thank you.

Bill

The apex of hilarity...

Looks like the royal arse kisser got his perceived enemy's cornfused...he's now got joel and EMJ mixed up.

He must be getting punch drunk...rum punch probably.

Heaven forbid, that he starts trying to kiss my arse next, in his many states of inebriation.

Regards...


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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1105 on: January 14, 2015, 03:10:59 PM »
For me, the title says it all.

Although the empirical data cannot be refuted,
the magnetic function can be derived from Myths and Misconceptions.
Myths of long ago that have persisted till today as our Misconceptions.
even though the empirical data cannot be refuted.

There is the effect that is plain to see and changes not,
the effect can be reproduced so no hiding there,
so,,,,,,,, what is left is how you can either choose or
have been trained to interpret what you see and
that can change and that can evolve, until
the same effect that you saw today
can be the same effect you see differently tomorrow.
Otherwise, how do you advance and where else can you go?

I really feel sorry for all of us for having to live our lives in fields
that where never there, or electrons, that were never there either.

I can even foresee and clearly imagine that in a few years,
it becomes confirmed that our present model was total bullshit
all with real empirical data that was derived or interpreted through
Myths and Misconceptions and that reality is actually
the inverse of what we deem it to be today.

So how sure are you of what you think reality is?

@EMjunkie

Don't overdose on too much EM. Calling names directly to any @member is not required here. The troll business you state is not required either so just stick to the topic and dispense with your direct  insults. If you cannot take the heat, then turn down your thermochat.

@all

So far all I have read reminds me of Zero Point Energy. I learned  Zero about any specific Point about Energy. Just great.

None of you offered any other alternatives to the model. Is that because you are having trouble thinking out of the box or maybe the box is a magnet deployed mouse trap. Countering Standard EE model is so easy when you have a perspective that fits all the bench effects we have ever seen. hahahahahahaha

What you guys cannot mentally and emotionally grasp is the possibility that our dear old science was right about the numbers, but wrong about the method. So far, none of the numbers confirm the method and none of the numbers will ever confirm the method. It is a catch 22 situation where just like religion, science relies on mass civil acceptance of a model and from that model the data is derived to suit the models intentions. You cannot refute that, no one can, so in the midst of obvious erroneous and free suppositions by science, science just pretends to have it right since our toys work so fine, our bombs fly so far and blow up so wide, our TVs keep us on the edge day after day, our toilets work and so do our ovens, so for the grace of all we have, we just pretend we know what we are doing. Sure, just look at the state of the World today and that should convince you that we are so smart.

Here is a question: Give me one good reason why Science had to adopt the Conservation Laws?
I mean, why go to all the trouble of presenting a Law that binds humanity to a level of abdication of  human intelligence. Why does top level science have any business telling humanity by Law, that you cannot be smarter then their Law. Is it because this brain tweak had to be institutionalized academically in order for the scar to set deep in our minds. What good ever came from this Law? And why is it only destined to science and mostly energy works.

Why not say the Law is universal. Meaning, you will never live a good enough life to get to heaven. You will never be nice enough to find true love. Why not extend it to things like, no matter how many great ingredients you add to the meal, the food will never be exquisite enough to engender an orgasm. These are all similar aspects of the same Law. Why specifically tailor this to energy. What the F were those top levels afraid of then. Maybe mans fever in those days had no bounds and the tops had to put a lid on it before things got out of hand and free energy came to light before they could reap in billions of profits. Don't forget now, inefficiency is very profitable. Mediocrity is also very profitable. Waste = Riches.   

So, can you really figure out why we are taught in schools and in universities that YOU WILL NEVER SURPASS THIS LINE OR LIMIT OF INTELLIGENCE. If anyone said that to my face he would be in the hospital by now so I surely will never accept it coming from some pencil pushing academiac that was then and still is controlled by a bunch of Cabalian perverts of high stature. F them. My mind has no bounds and man will achieve OU and along the way, man will also shed a ton of crap science.

wattsup


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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1106 on: January 14, 2015, 03:25:50 PM »
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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1107 on: January 14, 2015, 04:03:09 PM »
I wonder what "ATOM" thinks of all these  Laws ...
he doesn't seem to need them to get his power ??

for ever and ever since , the Big BANG

as they say at the Bar

"I'LL HAVE WHAT HE"S HAVIN" {ATOM}you guys can keep you Laws.....

we haven't figured out one of the Biggest things of all ,How or Where ATOM gets his energy.
its like an ELEPHANT that roams the LAW library's and poops all over their Floors...


we follow the trail....




















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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1108 on: January 14, 2015, 04:10:24 PM »
@wattsup
Well said, we cannot solve our problems using the same level thinking which created them and this thread has once again spiralled down into oblivion. It is incoherent and devoid of rational thought with purpose and your post was a breath of fresh air. We can do better than this I hope.
Maybe we should spell this out, if you want to debate a critic on their level you will lose because first you must lower yourself to their level and you have lost before you have even started. We must elevate our thoughts moving forwards not backwards and leave them to fight among themselves.

AC

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Re: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions
« Reply #1109 on: January 14, 2015, 06:49:55 PM »
I wonder what "ATOM" thinks of all these  Laws ...
he doesn't seem to need them to get his power ??

for ever and ever since , the Big BANG

as they say at the Bar

"I'LL HAVE WHAT HE"S HAVIN" {ATOM}you guys can keep you Laws.....

we haven't figured out one of the Biggest things of all ,How or Where ATOM gets his energy.
its like an ELEPHANT that roams the LAW library's and poops all over their Floors...


we follow the trail....

There is nothing "powering" the atom, just like there is nothing "powering" the solar system.  Those are just ignorant statements that you often see on the forums in an attempt to suggest that there is a "flow of free energy" already happening right now to explain our world and the possibility that we can do the same somewhere else.

It just isn't the case at all.

MileHigh

 

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