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Title: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND OVERUNITY
Post by: magnetman12003 on September 25, 2014, 12:59:15 AM
Hi All,

This kind of bird has been around for a long time as a novelty.

I ran across these giant drinking birds and thought they might be useful for over unity or free energy.

They work off heat transfer and the world is full of that.  Connect the bird to some  type of clockwork to extract its
motion power and  we could make a perpetual motion device that is useful and would run forever.

All the fluids necessary to build this is a chemical and water.  Hardware also.

Any input or has an attempt been made in this direction already?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-zeRCUicw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n6dHdZpUUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTZ-R1zc2gU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzhc_8qgdZw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepAhjpagR0
Title: Re: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND OVERUNITY
Post by: wings on September 25, 2014, 07:08:02 AM
Hi All,

This kind of bird has been around for a long time as a novelty.

I ran across these giant drinking birds and thought they might be useful for over unity or free energy.

They work off heat transfer and the world is full of that.  Connect the bird to some  type of clockwork to extract its
motion power and  we could make a perpetual motion device that is useful and would run forever.

All the fluids necessary to build this is a chemical and water.  Hardware also.

Any input or has an attempt been made in this direction already?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-zeRCUicw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-zeRCUicw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n6dHdZpUUI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n6dHdZpUUI)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTZ-R1zc2gU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTZ-R1zc2gU)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzhc_8qgdZw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzhc_8qgdZw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepAhjpagR0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepAhjpagR0)


http://waterengine.blogspot.it/p/english-version.html (http://waterengine.blogspot.it/p/english-version.html)

there is also a rotating version


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Wg68Uv5qs&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL8130C8B5F1BD9386

Title: Re: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND OVERUNITY
Post by: mscoffman on September 25, 2014, 08:20:42 PM
There are pure evaporation motors like wings example that seem to use folding and unfolding paper
or sponges and the likes of that paper water wheel. Then there are pendular heat motors like the
Dipping bird and Rotary motors like Minto's Wheel where evaporation plays a somewhat secondary
role to the thermal effects.

The Dipping bird uses  DiChloroMethane   -  CH2Cl2   as a working fluid.
Outside in warm climates propane can used for Minto's Wheels.

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Here is the famous article that uses lifting weights against the birds energy;
This works a lot like the paper and BB engine in magnetman's  video post, more than I
would have expected. (how about a drinkingbird smot "ball-runner lifter")?

Web Link - A famous Donald Rathgen magazine article about a dipping bird mechanical drive;

http://www.exo.net/~donr/activities/Duckpower.pdf

The following is a failed attempt at a multi-segmented dipping bird vortex engine. I bring this
up because it looks like if he had made all the birds upright in alignment it would have
worked nicely as a multi-segment pendular drive.

Web Link - A Failed multi-segment dipping bird;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GkuVzWHcBo

What I think would work to is take a cross-section of a dipping bird and
cut that into a piece of Lucite plastic. Or 3D-print the plastic cross-section.
Then seal both sides with flat plastic Lucite. One could string a bunch of
these continuously on a steel rod as an axle. This all continuous dipping
bird might dip some weight of methylene chloride. One could insert metal
hardware for use as heat conductors.

One may be able to straighten out what is wrong with the vortex drive version
of the dipping bird. - Then add some hybrid permanent hybrid water batteries
and a Bedini magnetic drive and you could be all set. If one could run a basement
water condensing unit one then would have a partially thermal overunity device.
This would make a water-added crystal battery system make some sense.

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Rotary Minto's Wheels

A working bathtub sized wheel, looks to be driving a small generator,  Minto's Wheel;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za9td23Vk0c

Correctly Structured model all metal Minto's Wheel;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhFKHTdNPt4


:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND OVERUNITY
Post by: Qwert on September 25, 2014, 08:52:20 PM
The bird works as a regular heat engine: no work without temperature difference, no matter what kind of material involved inside: more temp difference causes this mechanism more efficient, less temp difference - less efficient, no temp difference - the bird stops its operation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird)
http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/science-questions/question608.htm
Title: Re: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND OVERUNITY
Post by: mscoffman on September 26, 2014, 02:55:11 AM
Qwert,

Yes, that is correct. It takes a significant amount of energy to get the heat to flow through the
heat engine so that a very small amount can be converted to upgraded energy. This is because our
low temperature reservoir is significantly far from absolute 0. The efficiency of a heat engine;

Eff = (TRhigh - TRlow)  /  (TRlow - TRabs0)         where Rabs0 is ~300C deg. down, or ~500F deg. down


:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND SPONGE WHEEL OVERUNITY
Post by: magnetman12003 on September 26, 2014, 06:08:30 AM
I have been also looking at the Puskas engine which works on water with no corrosive chemicals.

Then this thought struck me.  We all know what a water wheel is.  Water flows over a wheel on one side and the wheel turns because that side is heavier than the other side.

Considering this: Say a wheel was made with many individual sponge pads all around its outer circumference. The sponge pads used would have to quickly absorb water. As well as shed water when the sponge is not in water.

This wheel needs to have a water pan on the right or left side of it at a 3 or 9 o'clock position with a water wick hanging out of it making contact with the large wheels circular sponge pattern.

When a sponge pad on the large wheel contacts the water wick coming out of the water pan there is a water transfer to the sponge.

The sponge pad becomes water heavy and drops down and the next pad in line receives the same treatment and does the same thing.  The wheel keeps turning as long as this repetitive action continues and water is kept in the water pan.

As the sponges on the large wheel come away from the water wick they start to drip dry and become lighter. By the time they reach the top of the wheel again they should have only residual moisture in them.

The end result is perpetual motion - Free Energy - using only water and gravity with this setup.

There is no need of rushing water over the wheel to operate it. Only a source of water to feed into the water cup when needed.

I am open for comments about this as it should work if the right sponge material is used.  Any ideas?


Title: Re: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND OVERUNITY
Post by: vasik041 on September 26, 2014, 10:06:04 AM
The bird works as a regular heat engine: no work without temperature difference, no matter what kind of material involved inside: more temp difference causes this mechanism more efficient, less temp difference - less efficient, no temp difference - the bird stops its operation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird)
http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/science-questions/question608.htm (http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/science-questions/question608.htm)

Traditionaly "smart sceptic" guys forgot mention that "no temp difference" is a scientific abstraction which rarely seen in real life :-)

Title: Re: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND OVERUNITY
Post by: Qwert on September 27, 2014, 02:20:22 AM
Traditionaly "smart sceptic" guys forgot mention that "no temp difference" is a scientific abstraction which rarely seen in real life :-)


"Smart sceptic"? Do I say "it does not work"?
Title: Re: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND OVERUNITY
Post by: vasik041 on September 27, 2014, 08:36:36 AM
"Smart sceptic"? Do I say "it does not work"?

No, you not. But overall impression from your post is that "it does not worth anything". 
Title: Re: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND OVERUNITY
Post by: profitis on September 27, 2014, 09:24:42 AM
For a solid-state bird you take a chunk of semiconductor eg Fe2S, shove a thin piece toilet paper soaked with ether or water on one side and get a continual thermo-potensi in microamp range
Title: Re: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND OVERUNITY
Post by: Qwert on September 27, 2014, 04:47:01 PM
No, you not. But overall impression from your post is that "it does not worth anything". 
My "strange" observation: not even ONE project which started on this site is successful. Most discussions (though their projects are still not successful when it comes to OU claims) come from "outsiders'" projects, those who relied on their own knowledge when they started theirs. My scepticism comes from this observation.
Title: Re: GIANT DRINKING BIRDS AND OVERUNITY
Post by: sarkeizen on September 29, 2014, 06:19:51 PM
No, you not. But overall impression from your post is that "it does not worth anything". 
I think the point is that we already have thousands of ways to extract energy from temperature differentials.