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Author Topic: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics  (Read 21412 times)

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2018, 12:25:49 AM »

Nice bit of carpentry, did you do a constructional video by any chance, nice work any way.

AG|

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2018, 12:37:32 AM »
Type of wave?

Been a few years since we did this stuff but:

Working in the large RF Shield room (still a sweat box) we tried horizontal, vertical, and a variety
of polarization blocking test - no noticeable power (signal) perturbations or degradation.

Conclusion - not transversal, therefore surmised it had to be something else (rocket science at it's finest).  :)

A complete Faraday cover (6 sides solid copper and aluminum, sealed edges)
- slight loss of power but we couldn't get inside the box to monitor the input. Center ground rod to earth,
other grounding to cage edges via heavy welding cable. Surmised, had to be electric only.

But, by carefully moving the two receivers into a line-of-sight configuration with the transmitter and varying
the distance between the receivers there were spots where the power appeared to vary, not a lot, probably
less than a dB or so therefore we surmised longitudinal with wave interference. Not conclusive by any means
but we figured it was a good guess at the time; and since some accept the notion of a longitudinal type wave,
and we didn't have any other means or ideas of testing it; we left it at that.

However, it would seem logical that if the magnetic part of a transverse wave is removed, or doesn't exist, the
waveform would likely be longitudinal. By definition I'm not sure what else it might be.   

I think this effect appears in magnetics as well.

Smokey <=> And to be clear, we are dealing with spherical waves.
Not “longitudinal” waves.

Your likely correct that the device has a Spherical radiation pattern as it's antenna is absolutely non-directional.
Actually I've never seen a "spherical waveform," however, if you watch the smoke from a cigarette in the sunlight on a
calm day it moves in tiny, almost spherical, vortex patterns; so there may be something to it. Might explain some of
the bazaar characteristic propagation behavior we're seeing. I'm certainly open to discovering more.

Well, let me back up a bit - Ball Lightning might be evidence of a spherical wave, of sorts, and it's inter-related to HV.

The apparatus is packed away but I'm setting up a new "my private" corner in the lab so maybe?

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2018, 05:21:16 AM »
That's right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-MA8rzZSqk

(Sorry about the light...)

However.... there are Faraday cages, and then there are Faraday cages. It takes a _lot_ of effort to make a good one. What I used in the above video isn't a particularly good one but does effectively shield low frequency RF.

The Caduceus antenna shown in the video does produce a tightly directional beam and is supposed to work by just that kind of cancellation or attenuation of the M part of the EM wave that is referred to by SolarLab above.

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2018, 05:21:16 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2018, 05:23:44 AM »
Nice bit of carpentry, did you do a constructional video by any chance, nice work any way.

AG|

Thanks, no construction video but there will be some demonstration videos coming up in the next few days.

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Offline blueplanet

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2018, 05:57:59 AM »
I think your observation makes more sense to me.


I did the same experiment as in the videos "successfully". But what tells you that you experienced longitudinal or scalar waves? There is a difference to your "successful" experiment, I did not make a video. Maybe it needs the recording of a video to show longitudinal or scalar waves. I guess it is the words uttered in the video which exhibit the longitudinal or scalar waves.


The attached photo shows the function generator and the oscilloscope used, the pancake coils and the air capacitor. One does not need pancake coils it also "works" with ordinary coils.

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2018, 05:57:59 AM »
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Offline blueplanet

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2018, 06:10:03 AM »
Nice bit of carpentry, did you do a constructional video by any chance, nice work any way.

AG|

I don't know what you are trying to imply here.
What we are trying to demystify is the the proof of scalar wave using the Meyl's experiment.
However, with a piece of black plastic sheet, the electrodynamic mechanism at high frequency is completely different.
And I doubt if TB's scalar wave theory or Meyl's theory are really applicable to this scenario.
I don't know whether you truly understand it or not.

Offline blueplanet

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2018, 06:15:40 AM »
Can you show us some real life examples of scalar waves?


Type of wave?

Been a few years since we did this stuff but:

Working in the large RF Shield room (still a sweat box) we tried horizontal, vertical, and a variety
of polarization blocking test - no noticeable power (signal) perturbations or degradation.

Conclusion - not transversal, therefore surmised it had to be something else (rocket science at it's finest).  :)

A complete Faraday cover (6 sides solid copper and aluminum, sealed edges)
- slight loss of power but we couldn't get inside the box to monitor the input. Center ground rod to earth,
other grounding to cage edges via heavy welding cable. Surmised, had to be electric only.

But, by carefully moving the two receivers into a line-of-sight configuration with the transmitter and varying
the distance between the receivers there were spots where the power appeared to vary, not a lot, probably
less than a dB or so therefore we surmised longitudinal with wave interference. Not conclusive by any means
but we figured it was a good guess at the time; and since some accept the notion of a longitudinal type wave,
and we didn't have any other means or ideas of testing it; we left it at that.

However, it would seem logical that if the magnetic part of a transverse wave is removed, or doesn't exist, the
waveform would likely be longitudinal. By definition I'm not sure what else it might be.   

I think this effect appears in magnetics as well.

Smokey <=> And to be clear, we are dealing with spherical waves.
Not “longitudinal” waves.

Your likely correct that the device has a Spherical radiation pattern as it's antenna is absolutely non-directional.
Actually I've never seen a "spherical waveform," however, if you watch the smoke from a cigarette in the sunlight on a
calm day it moves in tiny, almost spherical, vortex patterns; so there may be something to it. Might explain some of
the bazaar characteristic propagation behavior we're seeing. I'm certainly open to discovering more.

Well, let me back up a bit - Ball Lightning might be evidence of a spherical wave, of sorts, and it's inter-related to HV.

The apparatus is packed away but I'm setting up a new "my private" corner in the lab so maybe?

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2018, 06:15:40 AM »
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Offline conradelektro

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2018, 09:38:39 AM »
That's right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-MA8rzZSqk

(Sorry about the light...)

However.... there are Faraday cages, and then there are Faraday cages. It takes a _lot_ of effort to make a good one. What I used in the above video isn't a particularly good one but does effectively shield low frequency RF.

The Caduceus antenna shown in the video does produce a tightly directional beam and is supposed to work by just that kind of cancellation or attenuation of the M part of the EM wave that is referred to by SolarLab above.

I do not understand the experiment shown in the video:

There is a conventional AM radio receiver in the Faraday cage. If a scalar wave (sent by the Caduceus coil) can be received by a conventional AM radio receiver, why is it something else than a conventional electromagnetic wave?

Arguments:

The Faraday cage should strip away the conventional electromagnetic wave part and whatever is left should NOT be received by a conventional AM radio receiver. The electronics of a conventional AM radio receiver are "constructed" for the electromagnetic wave part and not for the longitudinal wave part. It would be a strange coincidence that a conventional AM radio receiver also receives the longitudinal part, it would interfere with the reception of the electromagnetic part.

If you put the directional antenna of a fairly strong conventional electromagnetic wave transmitter in half a meter distance to a simple Faraday cage, it will blast through?

Conclusion:

For me the most difficult part of all "longitudinal wave allegations" ist the proof that it is something else than a conventional electromagnetic wave. And this is exactly the criticism Mr. Meyl received from conventional scientists. Meyl could never build a receiver which separated the electromagnetic part and the longitudinal part. (Like our man high Koala, Meyl used in essence a conventional receiver.)

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2018, 10:05:03 AM »
A “longitudinal” wave is really only seen in soundwave propagation
or in the form of a standing wave emanating from a speaker or oriface
from an audio source (like a subwoofer or an organ)
Though it can also be manifest in physical vibration
It is a wave that vibrates in the same direction as its propagation
(contrasted by the other scenario in which the sound wave oscillates
   perpendicular to the propagation) [transverse]


Whereas, a spherical wave propagates according to Huygen’s principal
(which to some degree applies to all waves)
The distinction here being that the source propagates spherically
not simply a wave-point acting as a spherical wavelet.
(in reference to the Tesla transmitter)


The caduceus coil shown by TK, produces a perpendicular oscillation
with respect to the propagation. This is signified by the directionality
of the emissions from the end of the coil, and the radial changes in
amplitude.
Used to be called a “tensor coil”, because the radius increased along
it’s length. (TK’s coil was replicated from a later source which did away
  with this feature)
Originally known as the Tet (Djed) coil of Hermeticism.
And is the symbological icon of the medical industry.






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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2018, 10:05:03 AM »
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Offline blueplanet

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2018, 10:45:43 AM »
Like what you said, it is impossible to tell the difference between longitudinal waves and transverse electromagnetic waves from Meyl's experiement.

The leakage through the Faraday cage can be due to the higher order modes.

These scalar wave things may be a very important violation of poynting vector theorem if the CIA's document is right. They may be important for making weapons. But IMHO, I also think they have diluted Tesla's or Marconi's concepts of wireless power transfer, which is far more important.

Somewhere, Meyl has said that long range wireless power transfer can be achieved using scalar waves because of the low attenuation in the near field zone. Ironically, I have not seen any experimental evidence proving this claim.  Instead, both Tesla and Marconic has independently achieved a long range wireless power transfer before the emergence of scalar wave theories.
 



I do not understand the experiment shown in the video:

There is a conventional AM radio receiver in the Faraday cage. If a scalar wave (sent by the Caduceus coil) can be received by a conventional AM radio receiver, why is it something else than a conventional electromagnetic wave?

Arguments:

The Faraday cage should strip away the conventional electromagnetic wave part and whatever is left should NOT be received by a conventional AM radio receiver. The electronics of a conventional AM radio receiver are "constructed" for the electromagnetic wave part and not for the longitudinal wave part. It would be a strange coincidence that a conventional AM radio receiver also receives the longitudinal part, it would interfere with the reception of the electromagnetic part.

If you put the directional antenna of a fairly strong conventional electromagnetic wave transmitter in half a meter distance to a simple Faraday cage, it will blast through?

Conclusion:

For me the most difficult part of all "longitudinal wave allegations" ist the proof that it is something else than a conventional electromagnetic wave. And this is exactly the criticism Mr. Meyl received from conventional scientists. Meyl could never build a receiver which separated the electromagnetic part and the longitudinal part. (Like our man high Koala, Meyl used in essence a conventional receiver.)

Greetings, Conrad

Offline blueplanet

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2018, 11:04:48 AM »
There has been some reports on the discovery of an artificial longitudinal optical energy:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nphoton.2008.127

The range over which the energy can be transmitted is no more than 4 lamba.

According to Meyl, however, his scalar wave theory can make long range wireless power transfer possible because, he believe, the power was delivered within the near field zone. I am not sure how long range wireless power transfer is technically feasible with scalar waves.



A “longitudinal” wave is really only seen in soundwave propagation
or in the form of a standing wave emanating from a speaker or oriface
from an audio source (like a subwoofer or an organ)
Though it can also be manifest in physical vibration
It is a wave that vibrates in the same direction as its propagation
(contrasted by the other scenario in which the sound wave oscillates
   perpendicular to the propagation) [transverse]


Whereas, a spherical wave propagates according to Huygen’s principal
(which to some degree applies to all waves)
The distinction here being that the source propagates spherically
not simply a wave-point acting as a spherical wavelet.
(in reference to the Tesla transmitter)


The caduceus coil shown by TK, produces a perpendicular oscillation
with respect to the propagation. This is signified by the directionality
of the emissions from the end of the coil, and the radial changes in
amplitude.
Used to be called a “tensor coil”, because the radius increased along
it’s length. (TK’s coil was replicated from a later source which did away
  with this feature)
Originally known as the Tet (Djed) coil of Hermeticism.
And is the symbological icon of the medical industry.

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2018, 11:04:48 AM »
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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2018, 01:30:10 PM »
The TinselKoala EEEE  test device was not built specifically to test the work or Claims of Meyl  [not at all]

I am hoping the Mission statement or Intent will be written along with the first demonstrations [IF a thread is stared here.
*as mentioned a member here has been causing problems again .


It is actually a tool to investigate present day Quantum Theory at the "everyman" level

 the possibility of energy entering thru environmental manipulation .... all based on sound scientific theorem [particle physics ?].

Tinsel's words/writings are much better for this explanation.

many members here are truly excited about this, [several are building ..
regardless the outcome [it is an investigation not a claim]

respectfully
Chet K

PS
I am certain the "tool" will evolve [Vacuum being one additional goal for testing]

hard to do everything at once on a cheeseburger budget.

this is an open source project ,I am truly hoping the recent reboot of attempts to rekindle flame wars here will be resolved
with out the need for moderation.

would be really nice to do this at Stefan's forum ...we shall see ?

all claims should stand alone and weather the storm of scrutiny , a sincere claimant runs toward this storm not away
without scrutiny there is no science .

 

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2018, 03:51:34 PM »
I don’t claim that a scalar-type wave does not exist.


But it is not what many on the internet claim it to be.
and simply calling something a ‘scalar wave’ does not make it that.
The signals produced by electronics are not in this regime.


There is credible science in this area, but most of it has been
classified (and for good reason).


Much of the work in this area is attributed to
Richard A. Matzner of the university of Texas
(begining in the 60’s and carried through to today)
It is an area of high energy physics.
Not some simple thing a backyard experimenter will likely do
with a small low-power transmitter.


It is not a “transmission” at all, but an event.
You can call it the electric version of a ‘shockwave’.
(nothing to do with the speed of sound)
And carries with it ionizing energies, which can be dangerous.


It is not something you would mistake for any other type of wave,
in a similar manner that you would not mistake a shockwave for a sound wave.
and it is not what is described in the pseudoscience papers that are being
passed around.


Tinsel does possess equipment capable of creating such disturbances
(even if only incidentally)
but if he has experienced this type of event, I have not seen him mention it.
It is not the thing he has labeled “scaler em transmitter”






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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2018, 03:59:15 PM »

I have already done all these experiments 25 years ago.


I did it even much more carefully in a terahertz laboratory. And I had no leakage at the bottom at all.


I agree that nobody here has mentioned anything about long range propagation of scalar waves but this is exactly what scalar waves are about in the meyl's and tb's theories.


As many researchers maintain, certain electromagnetic waves like what we have seen in an AM/FM transmitter can end up with similar effects.


Arguably, those waves found in the neigbourhood of a AM/FM transmitter should be regarded as a longitudinal wave but i doubt if it is acceptable to call them scalar waves.



....

It is actually a tool to investigate present day Quantum Theory at the "everyman" level

 the possibility of energy entering thru environmental manipulation .... all based on sound scientific theorem [particle physics ?].

...

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Re: New Scalar Wave Detector and laws of Scalar Physics
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2018, 04:21:02 PM »
A longitudinal EM wave is demonstrated in the simplest form
by a parallel-plate capacitor


the field of an oscillating  charge will oscillate between the two plates
in the direction of propagation


this is not “scalar”, but longitudinal.




 

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