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Author Topic: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!  (Read 36151 times)

Offline Kator01

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2014, 03:08:47 AM »
hey profitis,

too bad that you can not view the vids. It is an absolut must-see especially for you. Have you acess to the website of Dr. Pollack ?
There was an extract of his book you can get it dowloaded here:
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0161/7154/files/FOURTH_PHASE_SAMPLE.pdf?1585

Can you see the picture ( still-foto of the vid ) here ? http://faculty.washington.edu/ghp/research-themes/water-science/

and here : http://faculty.washington.edu/ghp/research-themes/water-based-technology/

Light is creating a different structure of water-layers ( ( hexagonal ) at the close proximity of hydrophilic surfaces, even at the border to air ( the bugs which run on water..there you can see then membran-like-structure..http://www.natur-lexikon.com/Texte/MZ/001/00067-Wasserlaeufer/MZ00067-Wasserlaeufer.html) , in his demontrations Nafion is used. This structure is similar to the graphene-strukuture but composed only by oxygen and hydrogen atoms.

He has named it EZ-Water ( Exclusion-Zone) because any contamination wihin normal bulk-water will be driven out of this EZ-zone if it builds up in stacked layers. This EZ-Zone has a definite absorption of 270 nm which is a good indication for this hexagonal ring-structure. And it carries negative charge leaving the rest of the bulk-water charged positive ( ph-measurement and current measurements have been performed.

Normally the people in the audience should have jumped out of their chairs to give a standing ovation .... but nothing of this sort of reaction...nevertheless he has summed up a lot of knowledge from the past and combined it with his experimental based knowledge.

Hope this might give you some idea, but I have to confess that I am sceptical about this pyramid thing especially after the Trawöger-fraud and will not actively analyse unless there is a clear cut description of all elements involved.

No, profitis, I am not an expert in electrolysis I just have followed and tutored many developments and did sientific based research of the basis for HHO-generation and this process is still developing fast in different directions if you take into account the findings of Dr. Pollack.
Write me a pm so I know where you live and can find ways how to supply more information about new findings about the newest development in this topic.

Regards

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2014, 10:21:13 AM »
I got to see some of pollak on tubidy.com thanks kator.the exclusion zone much resembles guoy-chapman or helmholts electrostatic bounderies and specificly reminded me of DONNAN EXCLUSION and DONNAN POTENTIAL which appears at membranes and ion exchange resins.donnan exclusion I have found to give very interesting results indeed in certain experiments.yes I think the coder gadget described here appears to be much too high power density to be believable but I'm always intrigue,somtimes I get new ideas in a flash of inspiration from the 'uncertainty' stuff here too lol.

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2014, 11:18:02 AM »
I sent a pm kator hope you got it

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2014, 11:19:32 AM »
I sent a pm kator hope you got it

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2014, 11:46:17 AM »
gentlemen
If you take the trouble to read the web page linked in the first post, even through the dumb G translator,you fill find some clarity.

1 Special interest in AVOIDING electrolysis (or whatever chemical reaction thereof)
2 Separation of polarities via two Leyden jars interconnected
3 Use of treated water, to get a water molecule alignment, sensitive to low frequencies
4 Use of the pyramid geometry to bias the water and collect the electrostatic charges in to the leyden jars.

I don`t know if this is correct (TinyCoder will say) and do not know if the device works as stated, but until TinyCoder exposes all details, further speculation is worthless.(IMHO)

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2014, 12:01:07 PM »
@kator do you have any ion exchange membrane on you at hand right now

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2014, 02:35:24 PM »
hello

@profitis unfortunately I have no membrane available. I am focused on different topics but always keep an eye on anything new
coming up.

I will give you a bit more insight into my work via mail.

But one thing I can state here: I am pretty sure that the EZ-Water is different from the Helmholz-double-barrier.
I would dare to say that EZ is the basis for building the Helmholz Layer. EZ is not dependent of external voltage-application.
The EZ Layers grow by light ! Once formed  charges are seperated. EZ becomes negative, normal bulkwater positive.
ph tests also confirmed this.

So by light shining on water a water-battery is created. See picture " A charged battery in water"
http://faculty.washington.edu/ghp/research-themes/water-based-technology/

At the left side the negative zone is limited by the Nafion-membrane. But Nafion is too expensive otrher hydrophilic surfaces
must work also.

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2014, 05:34:14 PM »
The metals used are only === steel plates (in the wet battery) and copper papers covering the jars === and taking the part of the other pole in the jar from inside, The wet battery idea is similar to the car battery (attached: Capture0) and i think that is Volta's Pile design. (Capture1) shows how the jars connected with battery, (Capture2) and (Capture3) shows the water cells structure, (Capture4) is a clear design of the device.

conradelektro, I'm translating from my language "ARABIC", keep asking but please be patient, more coming in details, everyone has the right to be skeptic but I hope we all keep doing well with each other as we are not in a challenge here, I believe we really need to help each other to find out something really useful from all this we have here.

Godspeed.

@tinyCoder: just to make sure that I understand you correctly:


Possibility one: There are steel plates and copper paper in one and the same generator?

Possibility two: There a steel plates in one type of Generator and there is copper paper in an other type of Generator?


Translating from arabic is not that easy. There are several dialects of "Arabic". Do you mean the Arabic of the holy Koran?

An other question: who has built the two pyramid contraptions on the photos posted by you? Have you built them? If it is not you, can you talk to the Person who built them?

About the challenge:

If someone makes an extraordinary claim, he is challenging the world to believe him. So, the challenge comes from you and the world (e.g. me) is reacting to the challenge. Your claim puts into question many scientific facts which people (e.g. me) have learned. And these scientific facts have been established by the greatest minds ever present on this world in the last few centuries. Your claims are very controversial.

I personally have no problem with controversial claims. And you should not have a problem with people reacting strongly (with scorn, or ridicule, or at least with not believing). Your best course of action (if you want some one to believe your claims) is clarity and precise specifications. Most people will only believe if they can replicate and replication is only possible if the facts are presented in a clear and understandable way. I think you get the idea:

1) Best, you first specify just one generator, the one which works best.

2) Start with a complete list of materials which are needed to construct it. This should be little work and you could post this complete list of materials soon.

3) Then (after it is clear what materials are needed) you concentrate on construction advice.

4) And much later, after the one generator has been replicated you can go on to other types of this generator (which probably needs a different list of materials).

In the past such claims as yours faded away after several months because no useful information was forthcoming.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2014, 09:52:48 PM »
Aha @kator you are partially correct.but you are underestimating the enormous forces of electrostatic exclusion.the polywater molecules are much like a polymer resin ie they are less mobile than the bulk phase and they have tethered poles of charge much like ion exchange resin giving rise to a compromise between the pull of the diffusion gradient and the counterpull of electrostatic gradient.a donnan potential requires absolute zero light input to manifest and is completely spontaneous.if you can get a-hold of some ion exchange membrane we can make history right here right now.I will tell you how

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2014, 01:54:37 AM »
yey profitis,

you are the expert..I even do not know the term "donnan". From what I know there are always some free H+ Ions present in water
and they will vent through the membrane and build up a potential. Why they vent trough I do not know.
But we have to wait until you have seen  the presentation of Dr.Pollack.

In the meantime I will learn somthing about the donnan-potential

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2014, 07:29:03 AM »
Here is the simplest illustration of the donnan equilibrium and the mathmatical representation of the donnan potential kator.notice that it is identical to the nernst equasion.

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2014, 10:14:01 AM »
Thank you all here.

Dear Conrad, you are totally right, and this is can be said in any community no matter what language does it speak, I know how strange these ideas are but i'm not here to make a suspense story, I'm here to share an idea i found, and I told you many times that i'm working on the translation but I just posted few details to know how will you all react about this thread here.

I'm translating from pure Arabic which is my mother language, so don't worry about that, I'm just having some problems searching for the best scientific terms to use but I'll get that in the best way I can.

And no, this device was not built by me, and I had no contact with the inventor from few years ago, but he left us all what we need and many of us tried to build it, some of us failed, and others succeeded, I was from the first group and I knew where my mistakes were but before taking my next step to rebuild.. I'm sharing. And in these 7 pages (http://alpha-sci.org/showthread.php?t=1372) you'll find the photos we captured to our job.

So as I said everyone has the right to doubt, but let me follow the steps you gave me and give all the information I can to you and then we can try together to understand how this device is working scientifically, I trust the inventor, he has no reason to lie and even no intentions to make EXTRAORDINARY SHOWS, he destroyed the device as you saw to avoid such seductions and to upgrade the device to work better, the last time I had contact with him he told that he could run the device without using the pyramids and without any external source of energy, and he totally could give scientific proofs about how this is all working.. and said there is a second version of the device coming out soon, but that "soon" never came till now.

So, we brought the old designs we have and started again. If any of you want to join, we'll be happy to profit from you.

Godspeed.


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« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2014, 11:41:39 PM »
So he gave no indication of the scientific principal behind it coder? That is enormous power density it would definitely require a massively fast accumulation of charge

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2014, 08:06:14 PM »
@ Tiny coder
how does go the translation?

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Re: Aetheric Battery, New Free Energy Source From Aether!
« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2014, 12:06:04 AM »
Well well, I see what is starting to happen here.

 I'll do what I need to do anyway to clarify every detail, then it will be up to everyone to believe or not, and meanwhile, you can take a look at the rest of this "myth".


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