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## Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: vineet_kiran on September 10, 2014, 09:08:24 AM

Title: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: vineet_kiran on September 10, 2014, 09:08:24 AM

Video at :

http://youtu.be/DtN9W5LRlhg (http://youtu.be/DtN9W5LRlhg)

NathanCoppedge :

Please have a look at the video and details in pdf attachment.  Does it has anything to do with your 'Master Angle' ?

Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 10, 2014, 06:31:15 PM
I love the soundtrack!

And I'm sure Lawrence will love this one, too. It's a perfect example of his "lead-out" conjectures.
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: Newton II on September 11, 2014, 03:13:32 AM
I love the soundtrack!

Me too!   Looks like a crow is also appreciating the music!  (vineet,  be careful,  that crow might release shit on your head)

BTW by pushing the central shaft to the other side,  you will be lifting the lever arm up carrying the weight.  So,  it slides down down due to
gravity making  rotation.  It is same as lifting a weight and allowing it to fall freely.  Why do you expect overunity in that process?
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: vineet_kiran on September 11, 2014, 06:19:00 AM
Me too!   Looks like a crow is also appreciating the music!  (vineet,  be careful,  that crow might release shit on your head)

BTW by pushing the central shaft to the other side,  you will be lifting the lever arm up carrying the weight.  So,  it slides down down due to
gravity making  rotation.  It is same as lifting a weight and allowing it to fall freely.  Why do you expect overunity in that process?

Thanks for your advice.  Next time when I conduct that experiment, I shall wear a helmet.

Surely weight will be lifted up when the shaft is pushed to the other side.  But the trick here is to synchronise various motions and forces so that input energy is minimised.

A moving weight can be lifted easily without much effort.  A simple example is,  if you start a loaded truck near a steep slope upwards on a road and accelerate the truck,  the truck will not move up the ramp.  But if you come from a distance with speed,  the truck will easily move up the slope.

In this experiment the action and reaction forces, moment of inertia, kinetic energy of rotation etc., everything comes into picture thereby minimising the input energy required to move the plate and you have to take the energy output from rotating shaft which developes considerable torque at the centre because of lengthy lever arm carrying weight only on one side.

Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: Newton II on September 11, 2014, 12:48:50 PM
In this experiment the action and reaction forces, moment of inertia, kinetic energy of rotation etc., everything comes into picture thereby minimising the input energy required to move the plate and you have to take the energy output from rotating shaft which developes considerable torque at the centre because of lengthy lever arm carrying weight only on one side.

Cannot makeout if it can really be a OU device.  But how about using a lengthy  central shaft  above the lever arm to get additional  mechanical advantage so that  it can be pushed easily to the other end with negligible input energy?
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: telecom on September 11, 2014, 06:27:01 PM
Hi Newton II,
this looks like a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: Newton II on September 17, 2014, 04:49:17 AM
Hi Newton II,
this looks like a step in the right direction.

But how will you take power output from a 'oscillo-rotating'  shaft??!! ??? ???
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: tesla2 on September 17, 2014, 10:08:53 AM
I know how works rotation inside gravitation  !!!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tw7h9kfZcf0/VBk0W5TEt6I/AAAAAAAAB_k/YKxK437pygQ/s1600/CIMG3331.JPG

EN > http://youtu.be/U941EYo-5XY
PL http://youtu.be/cqe17UHE0OU
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: vineet_kiran on September 19, 2014, 10:47:04 AM

But how will you take power output from a 'oscillo-rotating'  shaft??!! ??? ???

You can take power output like this! (see the attachment).
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: tesla2 on September 19, 2014, 01:09:44 PM
more simple

1 start rotation energy Eo
2 move up mass m +m   energy Eup
3 stop rotation  ( here You will take back Eo )
4 You can exchanege potenial Energy  Ep to work

Ep-Eup >0

Each mass m during fast rotation is losting gravitation mass !!!
I'm first engineer inventor who proved this fact

My above picture it is only theoretical explain why and how  I schuld get NOBEL Prize for my work
I solved very old problem for physics ( I'm moving or not !!!)

Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: burnit0017 on September 24, 2014, 03:31:16 AM

Hi, small power at the input, more power at the output. The gain is from mechanical advantage and gravity.
Good luck with your project. Cheers
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: vineet_kiran on September 24, 2014, 04:25:00 AM

Hi, small power at the input, more power at the output. The gain is from mechanical advantage and gravity.
Good luck with your project. Cheers

He is rotating the shaft, not oscillating.  Rotating a wheel carrying weight only on one side is a highly inefficient process.

Also compare the time consumed in rotating the shaft and oscillating the shaft.  When you oscillate the shaft, the time consumed is very less and rotation of shaft is taken care of by acceleration due to gravity which is 9.8 m/sec.sq.

Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: AlanA on September 24, 2014, 04:08:10 PM
Seems that everybody here wants to reinvent the John device  ;)

Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: vineet_kiran on September 25, 2014, 02:13:25 AM
Seems that everybody here wants to reinvent the John device  ;)

Is there any working prototype?
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: burnit0017 on September 25, 2014, 02:30:52 AM

Hi, this is similar.
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: vineet_kiran on September 25, 2014, 06:09:14 AM

Hi, this is similar.

Fantastic!!!  But why "still engineers are skeptic"?   Did anybody try to verify it?

It clearly implies that  the lever principle of  'Force X distance'  can lead to overunity by adjusting in time using horizontal (eccentric) and rotational movement with a lengthy vertical axis.

Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: AlanA on September 25, 2014, 09:34:12 AM
@ burnit007

Yes it might be similar but nevertheless different to. The John Device is much simpler. But both are based on the same principle. On Youtube you can wath quite a lot of videos about the John Device. As he wants to have a patent for his inventions there are not so many information. It would be quite interesting if this inventions is really overunity. The inventor claims ;) but that is not enough.
I personally think that the skinner device is the most promising invention.
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: burnit0017 on September 25, 2014, 12:16:38 PM
Hi, when they did their calculations they only used the input to output values. They did not include all the power that was added at the input by the mechanical advantage and gravity. If they measured the torque at the output and tried to generate electricity then the story  would be different. They were playing math word games to grab headlines.

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: burnit0017 on September 25, 2014, 12:46:26 PM
Hi, I wonder if two solenoids was used to drive a scotch yoke to convert the reciprocating action to a circular motion would work to drive the device?
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: burnit0017 on September 25, 2014, 03:12:38 PM
Hi, on the Skinner device, what is the reason for the top weight? Is it needed?
Title: Re: Angular Gravity Machine (A question to NathanCoppedge)
Post by: burnit0017 on September 25, 2014, 03:34:53 PM