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Author Topic: "Commercially connections" and "Technical know-how"  (Read 6741 times)

Offline neutrino

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"Commercially connections" and "Technical know-how"
« on: September 10, 2006, 03:19:07 AM »
Me being a free energy technician/inventor, is hard to be good at everything - like an expert on designing coils -, would be indead usefull getting in direct contact with friendly persons eager to assist with their particular skills, to fully respectfully with no other interest than pushing the technology forward, helping me unconditionaly to complete my free energy machine -or as I would like to say: Shared knowledge, is double knowledge.
I will NOT, again..., have to excuse my self for holding this device at its full for secret (Patent appliance etc , PLEASE UNDERSTAND and RESPECT that, not doing so will be reported as abuse !!).
If you think it seems interesting to be involved in, and a part of, a possible (actually quite possible) simple and near future commercial electro-magnetic/permanent-magnetic portable electric generator, hitting the market at an end-consumer price of 300 EUR, so please feel free to response with your particular know-how.
We need to meet in Gothenburg/Sweden area (where I live&work) at first. Communication with a stranger...-NO thanks!
Looking forward to get your presentation!
This overunity.com forum is great in many ways, so far mostly for well-intended romantic writers though.
Being VERY CONCRETE and SERIOUS feels lonely in heir!
Missing a place where commercially free energy freaks help each other out, not just guys talking about it for a hobby.
As new categories I suggest "Commercially connections", and "Technical know-how".
I dont think the majority in this forum mind helping us "true and commercially serious" members having an "own" categori...right?!

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Offline PaulLowrance

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Re: "Commercially connections" and "Technical know-how"
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2006, 06:27:11 AM »
I think it is obvious that the only way "free energy" will become a reality anytime soon is from a selfless giving person who thinks in terms of the better of everyone and not their own wallet. I would hope that everyone strongly consider doing it the right way by publishing their invention followed by a either a full patent or a provisional patent. Once an inventor publishes they then have 1 year to patent it. Nobody can take it away from you if properly published. But this should not be about making billions for oneself. It should be about providing exact detailed build instructions so that anyone may freely build their own device and spread the news as quickly as possible before the powers that be put out the fires. IMHO this is the only way it will succeed.

So please people at overunity.com, please consider publishing the proper way. Publish to as many sites as you can such as:

http://peswiki.com
http://groups.yahoo.com
http://groups.google.com

post at forums such as overunity.com

email to universities and friends.

Print out a copy, seal it in an envelope, and mail it to yourself and others for additional evidence of the date.

Archive.org and google will also archive sites such as peswiki.com

I believe that will be more than adequately proof of prior art.

I have conversed with dozens of experts in this field. Please consult a lawyer to confirm what I say.

Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance

Offline qbjorn

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Re: "Commercially connections" and "Technical know-how"
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2006, 02:18:15 PM »
I agree 100% with Pauls statement about what needs to be done.

For those that don't, consider history:
Every inventor who has claimed to possess some kind of overunity/new physics device either:
- didn't patent it, never fully disclosed and it never got further after the inventor's death (e.g. Floyd Sweet)
- DID patent it, never fully disclosed (e.g. T.H Moray, Edwin Gray) - never got further
- DID patent it, never fully disclosed (e.g. Bill Fogal) - got confiscated by the government, will never be built publicly

I still haven't been able to find anyone who DID fully disclose something - you can't count Tesla here since not even he ever fully disclosed an OU device.

I know of at least one inventor who claims to have invented something unique but probably got scared and sells it as something else where it only uses a fraction of it's potential (J.O Wall?n, US pat no 4523252) - and still without full disclosure.
(If you want to try it, good luck finding tunnel diodes today!)


Apart from Tesla - well maybe even he - the names above are totally unknown to the public except nerds like us who believe there's more to physics that taught at Universities.

And those who are dead all died in poverty... (including Tesla!)


So, do you still consider that you'll be the first person to succeed to build & patent something, not fully disclose it, make a lot of money and  be remembered?
Think again!
If you STILL thinks so: REALLY Good luck!!!

Disclosure is the ONLY way forward for mankind!

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Re: "Commercially connections" and "Technical know-how"
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2006, 02:18:15 PM »
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Offline gyulasun

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Re: "Commercially connections" and "Technical know-how"
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2006, 04:05:59 PM »

I know of at least one inventor who claims to have invented something unique but probably got scared and sells it as something else where it only uses a fraction of it's potential (J.O Wall?n, US pat no 4523252) - and still without full disclosure.
(If you want to try it, good luck finding tunnel diodes today!)


Hi,

I have just finished reading the US4523252 patent you included in your post. Very interesting, to say the least first.

I would really like to know why you think that J.O Wall?n's circuit uses a fraction of its potencial? Why do you think the real advantages of the circuit are hidden by the inventor on purpose?

It is known a tunnel diode has got a part in its V/I characteristics where negative resistance occurs.
Surely this is utilized in the patent. It is sure the DC bias sets the tunnel diode working point into the
negative resistance region. And the role of the 'coupling' diode (4) is not cleared there, maybe helps one way current flow. The resistor in series with the tunnel diode reduces excess current harmful to the diode.

So if you feel like writing on this topic, I would appreciate it.

Best Regards
Gyula


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Offline qbjorn

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Re: "Commercially connections" and "Technical know-how"
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2006, 08:12:19 PM »

I know of at least one inventor who claims to have invented something unique but probably got scared and sells it as something else where it only uses a fraction of it's potential (J.O Wall?n, US pat no 4523252) - and still without full disclosure.
(If you want to try it, good luck finding tunnel diodes today!)


So if you feel like writing on this topic, I would appreciate it.

OK, let me give you a personal story.

The Wall?n invention was big news in Sweden exactly 30 years ago and, just as now, just before the election.
He showed off his invention and had big claims for what it could do, among other things use it to tap energy from an unknown source (today we'd say ZPE). Some daily newspapers even had an article where the opposition leader met with Wall?n and agreed that the invention he'd been shown had much potential (no pun intended...) as a future energy source.
The opposition leader eventually won the election (F?lldin), but the invention was never heard of since.
Surprise, surprise...

Some 15 years ago, I, my brother and his friend tried to visit Wall?n after we then found those old clippings (for the Swedes out there, a 'Teknik f?r alla' from 1975 and a 'Lektyr' from 1976, I don't have them any longer so I can't give the exact references)
We located and contacted Wall?n over the phone and then he claimed to us that this invention - which he called 'kuts' (means tiny box-shaped object) - could among other things deflect laserbeams and melt metal without heat WHEN PROPERLY CONDITIONED.
Of course he never disclosed how to condition it.
He said he used to sell it to paperindustries and such for it's static discharge capability, but used to condition a couple for fun and show them how to melt metals which he said used to drive the technicians nuts since they couldn't understand how they worked!
When we where on our way to meet Wall?n, he withdrew his offer to visit him and all attempts to try to visit him after that failed.
So, my interpretation is that he either got scared by something/someone or knew that his claims were baloney, but you may have other interpretations...

When I found his patent 5 years ago and saw the tunnel diode, I just said 'of course' to myself...
A wild guess is that the conditioning process sets the working point of the tunnel diode, but without knowing the type of tunnel diode or even the values for the components, it's really hard to duplicate it. And buying a strand of a couple of 100 diodes to play with is not that easy today as it was then.
I have actually managed to get a small stock of ~15 tunnel diodes on those 5 years, but they're very difficult to work with since they have low impedance AND low current handling capability.

As I said, disclosure is everything...

Best regards
QBjorn

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Re: "Commercially connections" and "Technical know-how"
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2006, 08:12:19 PM »
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Offline gyulasun

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Re: "Commercially connections" and "Technical know-how"
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2006, 11:51:31 PM »
Hi Bjorn,

Thanks for the story.
I do not think the type of the tunnel diode is so important. And a transistor curve tracer should still be available in different labs to see the forward current/voltage characteristics of the tunnel diode on display and read the forward voltage range needed for the negative resistance region. 
The main problem is further lack of probably crucial details. It is obvious the inventor did not reveal how he got the power from the circuit to melt metals: tunnel diodes work with max some hundred mV forward voltage and some mA (10-50mA or similar) of forward current. It is even possible that there are missing parts he did not include in the patent. Is the inventor still alive?

Thanks again,

Gyula

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2006, 12:58:26 PM »
Wow, Google is fantastic!

I found this while searching for "olof wallen":
http://www.spi.se/presskl.asp?pg=6&AktID=1892
dated 2006-01-30 means he should still be alive.

For those of you not speaking swedish, the gist is that Wall?n warns for the dangers of an explosion while fueling ethanol due to build-up of static electricity.
"Jan-Olof Wallen and his company Walnostat Marketing are in the business of removing static discharge"

Not to post any direct information here about companies, you can 'search' for yourself:
http://gulasidorna.eniro.se/query?what=yp&search_word=walnostat&district_code=42&district_name=Karlstad&filter=&match_comp=&match_street=&zipcode=&area=&phone_number=&advanced=&hpp=&ax=

If you DO manage to find something out, don't forget to post it here at overunity forum!
And at least try to fid out where he buys tunnel diodes!   ;)
Good luck!

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Offline neptune

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Re: "Commercially connections" and "Technical know-how"
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2007, 09:06:28 PM »
hi there , I cant tell you where to buy tunnel diodes, but somewhere, i saw an article on how to make your own. this could be better still , aswith practice you could make one with whatever characteristics you want. I beleive it was on Bill Beatty Wierd Science website . could anyone finding it please post a link.

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 10:15:34 PM »


 here is link to home made  tunnel diodes

 http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/ntype-nr.htm


 wer

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 10:15:34 PM »
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