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Title: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 31, 2014, 03:26:50 PM

What's going on here in this Hob Nire video? "Harmonic Resonance":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyyqWCdJr64 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyyqWCdJr64)
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on August 31, 2014, 03:33:06 PM
The same thing is going on as has been used in RF equipment for many decades:  A waveform with lots of harmonics is used to stimulate a resonant tank that has been tuned to one of the harmonics.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 31, 2014, 03:53:59 PM
@MarkE,


Thank you. It dosen't appear as though Hob's powering his Bedini with the oscillation.


The precision ceramic bearing in the top photo is 1/8" ID and 1/4 OD. This bearing slips over the 1/8" brass axle in the photo below, and the 1/4" ID magnet tube slides over the bearing. This "thick walled" PVC coupling allows for safe shatter proof spinning at Mach level RPM. The axle is stationary!


This thick PVC "Coupling" safety shield is the best protection against magnet shattering I've seen devised, and absolutely essential for high speed RPM. Done this way, it's a very exciting kind of of fun and completely safe. That's all it takes to spin up to LC harmonic range safely! The precision ceramic bearing costs are the only prohibitive aspect of this kind of platform at around $75. This setup was designed by me especially for safety! It's possible to cap both ends of the coupling, and cut a small slit across one side to laser tach through. Starting can be accomplished by magnet swipe from outside.


This design allows us to evacuate the housing with a plexiglass tach window in place if we choose. I inserted a plastic sleeve through the tube magnet in the bottom photo that extends from both sides, to help visualize the size of the bearings.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 31, 2014, 04:41:31 PM

Here's a better picture of the bearings, and a link to the manufacturer:

http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-types/radial-full-ceramic-bearings (http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-types/radial-full-ceramic-bearings)
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 01, 2014, 09:15:28 PM

I viewed the "Tuning Bifilar Tank" video by the "Old Scientist", and he concluded that the bifilar tank needs capacitive resonance.  The Reed Switch capacitance of .2 pico farads must have matched the self capacitance of the tiny thread spool air core solenoid bifilar in my prototype. I really need to test the coil, but the math holds up.


Take a good look at this "Resonance of a Bifilar Coil" video if you haven't already seen it: "While in resonance we are able to capture the reactive energy into the inductance of the ferrite, lighting the led without affecting amperage".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtI1CPBSm-o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtI1CPBSm-o)


We can capture reactive energy from the oscillating sine wave in the "Bifilar Coil" to power a "Magnet Spinner" in resonance without affecting amperage too. A tiny axle and bearing disk spinner mounted inside the 100 hertz resonating  bifilar coil core, spun up to 6000 R.P.M. let's say by compressed air , should start to spin with the same reactive power that lights the LED.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 01, 2014, 10:07:54 PM
I viewed the "Tuning Bifilar Tank" video by the "Old Scientist", and he concluded that the bifilar tank needs capacitive resonance.
I think that you mean reactance.
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  The Reed Switch capacitance of .2 pico farads must have matched the self capacitance of the tiny thread spool air core solenoid bifilar in my prototype. I really need to test the coil, but the math holds up.


Take a good look at this "Resonance of a Bifilar Coil" video if you haven't already seen it: "While in resonance we are able to capture the reactive energy into the inductance of the ferrite, lighting the led without affecting amperage".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtI1CPBSm-o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtI1CPBSm-o)


We can capture reactive energy from the oscillating sine wave in the "Bifilar Coil" to power a "Magnet Spinner" in resonance without affecting amperage too.
When you can add a load without affecting the input, it invariably means that you are shunting power away from another loss mechanism.  The analogy is idling your car in Drive and controlling your speed with the brake.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 01, 2014, 10:32:55 PM

@MarkE,


"I believe you meant reactance"


No, I didn't mean "Capacitive Reactance", I meant what I said when I said resonance LCC. When we wire a capacitor to a series bifilar, we basicly have two capacitors in the Tank. The external capacitance can either be in "Harmonic Resonance" with the self capacitance, or dissonant! 


Here's what "The Old Scientist" had to say about it:


"Bifilar coil has strong harmonics, but it's not influenced in the same way a standsrd or series LC circuit would work by achieving resonance between the capacitor and the self capacitance of the coil".


Try to understand what he's saying: The external capacitor can not be tailored to the biflar tank in the standard way!



What do you make of TK's sine wave spinner that acts as a "Negative Load" in regards to your views on power shunting? Think about this; How much input do you think the spinner would feed back into the tank?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: Farmhand on September 01, 2014, 11:18:31 PM
I viewed the "Tuning Bifilar Tank" video by the "Old Scientist", and he concluded that the bifilar tank needs capacitive resonance.  The Reed Switch capacitance of .2 pico farads must have matched the self capacitance of the tiny thread spool air core solenoid bifilar in my prototype. I really need to test the coil, but the math holds up.


Take a good look at this "Resonance of a Bifilar Coil" video if you haven't already seen it: "While in resonance we are able to capture the reactive energy into the inductance of the ferrite, lighting the led without affecting amperage".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtI1CPBSm-o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtI1CPBSm-o)


We can capture reactive energy from the oscillating sine wave in the "Bifilar Coil" to power a "Magnet Spinner" in resonance without affecting amperage too. A tiny axle and bearing disk spinner mounted inside the 100 hertz resonating  bifilar coil core, spun up to 6000 R.P.M. let's say by compressed air , should start to spin with the same reactive power that lights the LED.

Synchro, I've shown the effect of no change in input with an added load many times. It is as Mark says, it's a re-routing of
losses to the load. What do you think is happening to the input when there is no load and the input is still the same as with
a load ? I'll tell you it's wasted. So all that wasted power would need to be made up before tipping the scales anyway.

I can show a decrease in input with an added load, I can show no change to the input with an added load and I can show
increased input with an added load, and I can do all those things without a series connected bifilar wound coil in sight.

The effect has nothing to do with bifilar wound then series connected coils. I can prove that and have done already.

..
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 02, 2014, 01:03:52 AM
@MarkE,


"I believe you meant reactance"


No, I didn't mean "Capacitive Reactance", I meant what I said when I said resonance LCC. When we wire a capacitor to a series bifilar, we basicly have two capacitors in the Tank. The external capacitance can either be in "Harmonic Resonance" with the self capacitance, or dissonant! 


Here's what "The Old Scientist" had to say about it:


"Bifilar coil has strong harmonics, but it's not influenced in the same way a standsrd or series LC circuit would work by achieving resonance between the capacitor and the self capacitance of the coil".


Try to understand what he's saying: The external capacitor can not be tailored to the biflar tank in the standard way!



What do you make of TK's sine wave spinner that acts as a "Negative Load" in regards to your views on power shunting? Think about this; How much input do you think the spinner would feed back into the tank?

Look, I do not care any more that you are misrepresenting and misinterpreting Tesla's work as well as common electrical parameters and relationships

BUT STOP MISREPRESENTING MY WORK !!

I have asked you MANY TIMES to stop misrepresenting me and my work but STILL YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT.

If you cannot describe MY WORK ACCURATELY then PLEASE STOP MENTIONING ME AND MY WORK.

I simply do not have the time nor the inclination to monitor your posts and clean up your messes.

STOP MISREPRESENTING MY WORK.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 02, 2014, 02:16:35 AM
@MarkE,


"I believe you meant reactance"


No, I didn't mean "Capacitive Reactance", I meant what I said when I said resonance LCC. When we wire a capacitor to a series bifilar, we basicly have two capacitors in the Tank. The external capacitance can either be in "Harmonic Resonance" with the self capacitance, or dissonant! 
Well then you are just mistaken.  There is no such thing as "capacitive resonance".    In the realm of lumped elements, resonance occurs where the capacitive and inductive reactances are equal.
Quote


Here's what "The Old Scientist" had to say about it:


"Bifilar coil has strong harmonics, but it's not influenced in the same way a standsrd or series LC circuit would work by achieving resonance between the capacitor and the self capacitance of the coil".


Try to understand what he's saying: The external capacitor can not be tailored to the biflar tank in the standard way!



What do you make of TK's sine wave spinner that acts as a "Negative Load" in regards to your views on power shunting? Think about this; How much input do you think the spinner would feed back into the tank?
There are only two possibilities in this world:  One has OU or one does not.  Since no one has successfully proven OU, under the assumption that a circuit is UU, when load changes do not reflect to the source, it is because the load simply shunts power that was already being drawn from the source. 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2014, 05:46:17 AM
@MarkE,


Here's what I'm talking about: The Colpitts uses the twin capacitors. Tank resonance drops when the twin caps are connected, because half the electrostatic energy disappears. The twin capacitors also stabilize the resulting tank frequency. The halving is a consequence of connecting wire resistance.


The series bifilar connected to an external capacitor equal in value to the bifilar's self capacitance halves the electrostatic energy, and lowers the tank frequency. The bifilar inductor and the twin capacitors oscillate at lower resonant frequency. It's not wrong to describe the two capacitors as in capacitive resonance with the inductor.



Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 02, 2014, 05:55:53 AM
Synchro, you say Colpitts, but you've attached a picture that describes the conservation of charge versus conservation of energy problem charging an empty cap from a charged cap.  A Colpitts oscillator has two capacitors, but it also has an inductor.  As long as we are in frequency regimes where we treat capacitance as lumped, we need an inductance to build a tank.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Cb_colp.svg/130px-Cb_colp.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Cb_colp.svg/130px-Cb_colp.svg.png)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Cc_colp2.svg/130px-Cc_colp2.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Cc_colp2.svg/130px-Cc_colp2.svg.png)
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2014, 06:04:11 AM
That's what I just got through saying. The important point is that if the Reed Switch goes normally open from excessively high magnet rotor speed and begins to act as part of a colpitts tank circuit, the self resonating frequency of the bifilar tank drops!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 02, 2014, 07:45:01 AM
Synchro I don't want to degenerate into pedantry, but technical terms have specific meanings.  An LC tank circuit resonates.  Ignoring parasitics, neither the individual capacitor(s) resonate.   There is not a capacitive resonance or an inductive resonance.  There is just a resonant frequency where XC = XL.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2014, 04:43:33 PM
Look, I do not care any more that you are misrepresenting and misinterpreting Tesla's work as well as common electrical parameters and relationships

BUT STOP MISREPRESENTING MY WORK !!

I have asked you MANY TIMES to stop misrepresenting me and my work but STILL YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT.

If you cannot describe MY WORK ACCURATELY then PLEASE STOP MENTIONING ME AND MY WORK.

I simply do not have the time nor the inclination to monitor your posts and clean up your messes.

STOP MISREPRESENTING MY WORK.


I abhor censorship. DROP DEAD!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2014, 05:03:36 PM
Synchro I don't want to degenerate into pedantry, but technical terms have specific meanings.  An LC tank circuit resonates.  Ignoring parasitics, neither the individual capacitor(s) resonate.   There is not a capacitive resonance or an inductive resonance.  There is just a resonant frequency where XC = XL.


That's called "Kicking a dead horse"!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: jbignes5 on September 02, 2014, 05:41:09 PM
Synchro I don't want to degenerate into pedantry, but technical terms have specific meanings.  An LC tank circuit resonates.  Ignoring parasitics, neither the individual capacitor(s) resonate.   There is not a capacitive resonance or an inductive resonance.  There is just a resonant frequency where XC = XL.


 This is a logical fallacy you are presenting. Lets look at parts in a simulator and you will see that all parts talked about have individual C/L/R values and hence why it can be resonated by itself. They add those characteristics to make up for the anomalies present and because no part is perfect or ideal. A real l/c/r circuit has to have all the information of each parts inductance, capacitance and resistance. When you sum them they add or subtract minute losses or gain for each component to the whole. Yes there are formulas to give a general output but each part has to have a resonance in itself to add or subtract from the whole resonance of the circuit.


 Saying parts like a cap don't have a resonant frequency is the logical fallacy seeing that all simulators include this information in each part presented to the simulated circuit. If they did not do this no simulator would work in the real world. A simple fact.


 As for some trying to claim ownership to their work, well thats fine but do not make demands on others interpreting that work, especially with a new understanding of how things really work. It is not my job or anyone elses of cleaning up messes as someone put. If someone misinterprets your work then let it be, it's only an interpretation and not the truth if it proves false. We must reinterpret all work to see if other plausible explanations exist and hold true. If we stick to your interpretation then we go nowhere and learn nothing new in the process. We have to do this because we can not see with our eyes what is going on yet with induction events, both magnetic and electric. We must interpret the events with the knowledge we hold individually and not rely on "I told you how it works." because yours is an interpretation as well. Nothing is set in stone here because we can not detect this event yet.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2014, 07:05:59 PM
@Jbigness5,


Thanks for helping balance the field. People who take pride in building from scavenged parts betray a "Thread Ball" mentality that speaks of petty mindedness. Everyone's seen how eccentric misers react hysterically over meaningless issues. TK acts like he may be storing a huge "Lint Ball" somewhere, perhaps hidden under that pile of garbage parts strewn around his laboratory.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 02, 2014, 07:28:47 PM

 This is a logical fallacy you are presenting. Lets look at parts in a simulator and you will see that all parts talked about have individual C/L/R values and hence why it can be resonated by itself. They add those characteristics to make up for the anomalies present and because no part is perfect or ideal. A real l/c/r circuit has to have all the information of each parts inductance, capacitance and resistance. When you sum them they add or subtract minute losses or gain for each component to the whole. Yes there are formulas to give a general output but each part has to have a resonance in itself to add or subtract from the whole resonance of the circuit.


 Saying parts like a cap don't have a resonant frequency is the logical fallacy seeing that all simulators include this information in each part presented to the simulated circuit. If they did not do this no simulator would work in the real world. A simple fact.


 As for some trying to claim ownership to their work, well thats fine but do not make demands on others interpreting that work, especially with a new understanding of how things really work. It is not my job or anyone elses of cleaning up messes as someone put. If someone misinterprets your work then let it be, it's only an interpretation and not the truth if it proves false. We must reinterpret all work to see if other plausible explanations exist and hold true. If we stick to your interpretation then we go nowhere and learn nothing new in the process. We have to do this because we can not see with our eyes what is going on yet with induction events, both magnetic and electric. We must interpret the events with the knowledge we hold individually and not rely on "I told you how it works." because yours is an interpretation as well. Nothing is set in stone here because we can not detect this event yet.
jbignes with all due respect I very explicitly referred to lumped parameters.  Synchro is using a nonsense term of his invention.  That is not helpful to any discussion. 

The design under discussion is not operating at the SRF of either or both capacitors.  The inductance of the components as connected in the circuit is insignificant to the inductance of the discrete inductor.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2014, 09:42:13 PM


Quote from MarkE:


"Synchro is using a nonsense term of his invention".


How's "two matching self resonant capacitors"? Capacitors can be of equal value but have dissonant self resonance.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2014, 09:58:31 PM

Have another quick look at the first few seconds of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asTs_iuUbuM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asTs_iuUbuM)


The video I posted a few comments ago where the bifilar's illuminating an LED by sine wave off ferrite in the solinoid coil core gave me an idea. I ran a Bedini off the quadfilar in the video. None of the wires were connected to each other. The four coils were connected back to themselves in loops. Magnetic inductance coupled the circuit.


I think wiring the quadfilar as two series bifilars, each with a matching capacitor might spin a magnet sphere by tank oscillation if the sphere were accelerated to the tank frequency by the spiral bifilar Bedini mounted alongside. This eliminates the need for the costly ceramic bearing. Take notice the PVC coupling safety shield!   


@MarkE,

Two series bifilars of identical inductance have identical capacitance. Two identical capacitors have identical capacitance. The bifilar tank alone with an external capacitor can not match it's self resonating frequency to the bifilar coil's capacitance. I believe this is the point "The Old Scientist" makes in his "Bifilar Tank" video.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 02, 2014, 11:21:29 PM


Quote from MarkE:


"Synchro is using a nonsense term of his invention".


How's "two matching self resonant capacitors"? Capacitors can be of equal value but have dissonant self resonance.
The term that you invented in post #4 is "capacitive resonance".  There is no such thing.  The self-resonant frequency of a capacitor is the result of the component capacitance and the effective loop inductance of the component as it is hooked up in the circuit.  At the self-resonant frequency, the capacitor and its wiring appear as a resistance across whatever they are wired to that is generally rather small, IOW approximately a short-circuit.  If connected in parallel to another capacitor that has a much higher self-resonant frequency, then the combination has a parallel resonance between the two self resonant frequencies that exhibits a local impedance maximum.

Equal value capacitors even of identical construction can as connected in a circuit resonate at different frequencies if the overall loop inductances as wired are different.  "Dissonant" is a peculiar adjective to describe different self-resonant frequencies.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2014, 11:35:36 PM
@MarkE,

One Quadfilar of two bifilars, sharing one capacitor. The coils magnetically coupled instead of connected in series. A Hartley?

I copied the term from the "Old Scientist" I didn't invent it. Secondly, I acknowledged that capacitance is additive, why are you over working his semantics?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 03, 2014, 04:04:43 PM
@MarkE,

One Quadfilar of two bifilars, sharing one capacitor. The coils magnetically coupled instead of connected in series. A Hartley?

I copied the term from the "Old Scientist" I didn't invent it. Secondly, I acknowledged that capacitance is additive, why are you over working his semantics?
Synchro you used a term that has no meaning.  It doesn't matter if you borrowed it from someone else.  It is still meaningless.  Meaningless terms only distract from the conversation.

N filar windings are by definition magnetically coupled.  The series coils in a Hartley work better if they are coupled and not isolated.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 03, 2014, 05:40:43 PM
@Marke,


Perhaps the "Old Scientist" meant that the bifilar tank lacked "Matching self resonant capacitance".


Here's a very recent video from Igor Moroz:

Igor's spinning inside a solenoid coil core from a transistor oscillation and lighting an LED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFP8j6dUW0k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFP8j6dUW0k)
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 03, 2014, 07:22:37 PM

Here's a youtube comment from the "Old Scientist's" Bifilar tank video:

"Tuning the Tank circuit and sweeping up to 40 MHz to find the harmonics. The Bifilar seams not major influenced by the capacitor, at least not like a standard LC tank circuit. I also used high NF capacitors with no influence on the frequency response to resonance. It seams that the Bifilar coil does not participate in the dependence of capacitance. That would explain my good result in the radiant energy video with Bifilar coils where only the 1/4 wave coil was required to draw the energy".


These "Old Scientist" findings have persuaded me into believing the Reed Switch simple breaks the circuit when it goes normally open. The only thing left to do is to accelerate the magnet spinner up to the series bifilar's self resonant frequency, then disconnect the coil from the positive power pole of the battery. It has to be that simple and that's the end of it. No external capacitor needed.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 03, 2014, 07:53:06 PM
The finalized circuit has to be merely a series bifilar coil grounded on one side and open on the other where it acts as an antenna. The only other criterion is to match the dipole magnet spinner's R.P.M. to the series bifilar's self resonating frequency. That's all there can be to this sine wave motor. Naturally, we have to choose a way to power the magnet spinner to the threshold R.P.M.


My warning; The spinner goes ballistic on the unpowered sine wave, so make sure you take the safety precautions I outlined!


Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 04, 2014, 02:53:54 PM
@MarkE,


             You persisted in projecting your misunderstanding on me. I want to clear this up once and for all; The series bifilar tank circuit does not conform to to the  resonant formula for the standard LC circuit.


             The capacitance of the series bifilar coil is "Evenly Distributed". The external bifilar tank condenser is connected to the coil through two wires. The resistance of these wires acts as a bottle neck that results in losses that interfer with the "Capacative resonance" of the condenser and the bifilar coil. The "Bifilar Coil" can't see the external capacitor! 


               To sum it up: The "Bifilar Tank" is a pig with wings!     
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 04, 2014, 05:57:54 PM
@MarkE,


             You persisted in projecting your misunderstanding on me. I want to clear this up once and for all; The series bifilar tank circuit does not conform to to the  resonant formula for the standard LC circuit.


             The capacitance of the series bifilar coil is "Evenly Distributed". The external bifilar tank condenser is connected to the coil through two wires. The resistance of these wires acts as a bottle neck that results in losses that interfer with the "Capacative resonance" of the condenser and the bifilar coil. The "Bifilar Coil" can't see the external capacitor! 


               To sum it up: The "Bifilar Tank" is a pig with wings! 
Again: There is no such thing as "capacitive resonance".  I have explained this several times and yet you persist in using that meaningless term.  It takes capacitance and inductance to resonate.  Physical components such as capacitors and inductors all exhibit self resonances once connected with external wiring such that an inductance loop is closed.  This is true for a simple single loop of wire, or even a soda can.  In the 1960's and 1970's it was popular among microwave engineers to use beer cans as microwave resonators.  A bifilar coil, is no exception, and has parasitic capacitance that sets a self resonance like all the aforementioned devices and structures.  The resonance results from the combination of the parasitic capacitance acting in parallel with the inductance.  Connecting a larger value discrete capacitor across a coil of any kind creates a dominant pole pair at a lower frequency than the coil's self-resonant frequency.  The resistance in the circuit dissipates energy, which means for a larger resistance, a lower percentage of energy remains in storage each cycle than with a lower resistance.  IE the circuit has a lower Q.   
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 04, 2014, 06:16:45 PM
@MarkE,


             Maybe you should go back and re-read the comment. The "Old Scientist" reports that the external capacitor does not have a major influence on the "Series Bifilar Coil" as you infer! There's an additive formula for the twin capacitors in the Colpitts oscillating circuit that won't work on the bifilar tank as you imply. You're making a mistake! Capacitance is evenly distributed in the series bifilar unlike the external capacitor that's wired across a divide of calculated resistance.


Quote from the "Old Scientist":


                            "It seams that the Bifilar coil does not participate in the dependence of (external) capacitance".

          Wiring a separate capacitor to a series bifilar coil does not behave additively like wiring two capacitors in parallel to a regular coil. The unequal distribution of capacitance between the bifilar coil and the external capacitor precludes the use of the standard formulas you're falsley trying to apply!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 04, 2014, 06:34:41 PM
@MarkE,


             Maybe you should go back and re-read the comment. The "Old Scientist" reports that the external capacitor does not have a major influence
on the "Series Bifilar Coil" as you infer! There's an additive formula for the twin capacitors in the Colpitt oscillating circuit that won't work on the bifilar tank as you imply. You're making a mistake!
No, you are once again doing your misrepresenting thing. MarkE is correct in his explanations. If you want to know the real story of lumped vs distributed capacitance in TBF windings you really need to read the work of the Corum brothers.
It is simply not true that "the external capacitor does not have a major influence" on the TBF coil's resonance or other characteristics. You are misrepresenting the experiments and conclusions of Old Scientist just as you do with the work of others.
I give you once again the diagram that shows the relationship between inductive reactance, capacitive reactance, and the resonant frequency of _any_ LC tank, including those that use TBF windings. The reason OldScientist is confused is that he appears not to understand the things that the Corums have explained wrt distributed vs lumped capacitances.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 04, 2014, 06:47:58 PM
@TinselKoala,


                    Snorkling up from under your trash heap? I told you to DROP DEAD!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 04, 2014, 08:31:44 PM
@MarkE,


             Maybe you should go back and re-read the comment. The "Old Scientist" reports that the external capacitor does not have a major influence on the "Series Bifilar Coil" as you infer! There's an additive formula for the twin capacitors in the Colpitts oscillating circuit that won't work on the bifilar tank as you imply. You're making a mistake! Capacitance is evenly distributed in the series bifilar unlike the external capacitor that's wired across a divide of calculated resistance.


Quote from the "Old Scientist":


                            "It seams that the Bifilar coil does not participate in the dependence of (external) capacitance".

          Wiring a separate capacitor to a series bifilar coil does not behave additively like wiring two capacitors in parallel to a regular coil. The unequal distribution of capacitance between the bifilar coil and the external capacitor precludes the use of the standard formulas you're falsley trying to apply!
We have been discussing your use of a meaningless term. 

The quote you cite is a silly one disproven by 150 years of electrodynamics.  I can show you bifilar wound coils all day long that completely conform to simple analysis.

Please refresh my memory and show me what formula it is that I am trying to incorrectly apply to what situation.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 04, 2014, 09:21:19 PM
@TinselKoala,


                    Snorkling up from under your trash heap? I told you to DROP DEAD!

Are you threatening me, or just expressing your wishes?

Why don't you try _refuting_ me with checkable and valid outside references, facts, or demonstrations of your own? I know why and so do many of the rest of us. You cannot.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 05, 2014, 01:12:13 AM
@TinselKoala,


Because you're BULLSHIT! Stay off my thread!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 05, 2014, 01:18:52 AM
@TinselKoala,


Because you're BULLSHIT! Stay off my thread!
Synchro1: Fair is fair.  When you referenced TK's work you opened yourself to TK's comments, especially when he disputes your representations of his work. 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 05, 2014, 04:03:51 PM
@MarkE,


TK is an egocentric sadist. I am unwilling to stand for his abuse. He denied the existence of the "Negative Mico Henry" and  "Magnetic Resonance", he also preaches "Atheism!" He portrays me as a fraud. He's challenging us to supply material proof of a Creator, in denial of everything sacred in the Universe. Who wants to be preached to about Holiness from a shabby "Row House Basement"?


Wiring a  0 to 10 pico farad variable trimmer capacitor to the series bifilar would not only eliminate the need for a "Super Cray" calculation for fixed bifilar tank capacitance, but set at zero, would allow for the ground only test. The only other possibility as I see it, would be to investigate the possibility of a Reed Switch oscillation type fluttering. Most of those switches are crap and wind up sticking right off the bat. 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 05, 2014, 04:30:48 PM
@MarkE,


TK is an egocentric sadist. I am unwilling to stand for his abuse. He denied the existence of the "Negative Mico Henry" and  "Magnetic Resonance", he also preaches "Atheism!" He portrays me as a fraud. He's challenging us to supply material proof of a Creator, in denial of everything sacred in the Universe. Who wants to be preached to about Holiness from a shabby "Row House Basement"?


Wiring a  0 to 10 pico farad variable trimmer capacitor to the series bifilar would not only eliminate the need for a "Super Cray" calculation for fixed bifilar tank capacitance, but set at zero, would allow for the ground only test. The only other possibility as I see it, would be to investigate the possibility of a Reed Switch oscillation type fluttering. Most of those switches are crap and wind up sticking right off the bat.
There are two problems:  It is a public message forum.  Unless someone is so abusive that Stefan deems it necessary to intervene, people get to express their opinions.  Second:  It should be common sense that if one cites somebody else' work, they have invited that other person's comments.  If you want to discourage TK making comments about your ideas, then inviting him by referencing his work is contrary to that goal.

Trimmer caps don't go to zero.  They can go to a low value.  If you want to shrink capacitance by orders of magnitude, then remove the capacitor, variable or fixed.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 05, 2014, 06:02:59 PM
@MarkE,


You have it backwards! I commented on a video he uploaded of a "Coil Core Magnet Spinner" he gave me credit for innovating. I was among the first builders to begin experimenting with this approach nearly nine years ago, and I believe the first person to succeed at building a "Sine Wave Harmonic Self Accelerator".


I believe that the spinner picked up on a third harmonic of fractional amplitude, and climbed the Harmonics in "Barkhausen Spikes" to the bifilar's self resonating frequency where it's speed stabilized.


Try lighting a D.C. filament bulb with a D.C. pulse at 180Kz. What an incredible display! The light is separated into standing waves that form a spherical magnetic field as if it were a planetary field. Truly Fantastic! This frequency is the "Oscillating Frequency of Magnetisem" and has nothing to do with ferrite characteristics. TinselKoala denies it exists!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 05, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
We're examining a very simple circuit of merely three components: "D.C. battery", "Reed Switch", and a "Series Bifilar Air Core Solenoid Coil".


There's three options to choose from: 1.- Zero external Capacitance.


                                                         2.- External capacitance of value.


                                                         3.-Switch Oscillation.


We covered the first two. The third, can be controlled by replacing the crappy Reed Switch with a CRYSTAL. We select a crystal that spontaneously self resonates at the self resonant frequency of the series biflar, and match the spinner R.P.M. , then blade switch the oscillating crystal into the circuit!
                                                         
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 05, 2014, 06:59:11 PM
@MarkE,


You have it backwards! I commented on a video he uploaded of a "Coil Core Magnet Spinner" he gave me credit for innovating. I was among the first builders to begin experimenting with this approach nearly nine years ago, and I believe the first person to succeed at building a "Sine Wave Harmonic Self Accelerator".


I believe that the spinner picked up on a third harmonic of fractional amplitude, and climbed the Harmonics in "Barkhausen Spikes" to the bifilar's self resonating frequency where it's speed stabilized.


Try lighting a D.C. filament bulb with a D.C. pulse at 180Kz. What an incredible display! The light is separated into standing waves that form a spherical magnetic field as if it were a planetary field. Truly Fantastic! This frequency is the "Oscillating Frequency of Magnetisem" and has nothing to do with ferrite characteristics. TinselKoala denies it exists!
Synchro1, in message #6 you asked:

Quote
What do you make of TK's sine wave spinner that acts as a "Negative Load" in regards to your views on power shunting? Think about this; How much input do you think the spinner would feed back into the tank?
 

That invited TK to comment and he did. 

This statement: 
Quote
Try lighting a D.C. filament bulb with a D.C. pulse at 180Kz. What an incredible display! The light is separated into standing waves that form a spherical magnetic field as if it were a planetary field. Truly Fantastic! This frequency is the "Oscillating Frequency of Magnetisem" and has nothing to do with ferrite characteristics. TinselKoala denies it exists!

Has several problems:

180KHz is so far above the thermal time constant of the filament that what you have is a light dimmer.  You can prove this to yourself with a function generator, an N MOSFET, a battery or bench supply, the light bulb and a photo detector circuit.  Put the bulb and the photo detector in an opaque box:  drive the bulb and read the photodetector output on an oscilloscope.  At a fraction of 1 Hz the bulb will turn on and off pretty much completely.  At a few Hz, the bulb will glow still showing a significant light variation in the IR.  Above 100Hz, there will be very little variation.

Standing waves occur when there are reflections in the transmission path.  Turning a transmitting source on and off would only establish a standing wave when the distance between reflectors is an even multiple of a quarter wavelength.  For light with wavelengths in the half micrometer range you need extreme precision in the distance and stability of the distance to get a standing wave pattern.  You need fine distances such as found in a diffraction grating.  To set up standing waves from the pulses at 180kHz, you need to separate the reflectors by a distance of: (2n)*3E8*0.25/180E3   That's multiples of 5/6 km.   That's one big box.



Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 05, 2014, 07:05:14 PM
@MarkE,


TK is an egocentric sadist. I am unwilling to stand for his abuse. He denied the existence of the "Negative Mico Henry" and  "Magnetic Resonance", he also preaches "Atheism!" He portrays me as a fraud. He's challenging us to supply material proof of a Creator, in denial of everything sacred in the Universe. Who wants to be preached to about Holiness from a shabby "Row House Basement"?


Wiring a  0 to 10 pico farad variable trimmer capacitor to the series bifilar would not only eliminate the need for a "Super Cray" calculation for fixed bifilar tank capacitance, but set at zero, would allow for the ground only test. The only other possibility as I see it, would be to investigate the possibility of a Reed Switch oscillation type fluttering. Most of those switches are crap and wind up sticking right off the bat.


You are a liar and a fool. You constantly misrepresent my work and the work of others and you do a disservice by misleading those who may not know better than to fall for your misinterpretations and your BS.
If that's not bad enough.... you are just WRONG.


You cannot support the contentions you make about me with references, links, checkable outside facts or demonstrations of your own. In short, you are an obnoxious blowhard fool. How long did it take you to start "your" thread, after being asked how many times to stop posting your irrelevant and wrong nonsense in another thread where a different discussion was going on? You don't have a leg to stand on.


If you want me to stay out of your way, THEN STOP MISREPRESENTING ME AND MY WORK. For about the hundredth time, in this thread and others you have been told that. But like the fool you are, you do not learn and you persist in your errors. You cannot even grasp the fact that I know a _lot_ more  than you do about Tesla, his work, his apparatus, and the theoretical and actual performance of tuned circuits and Tesla power systems in general -- as demonstrated many times in my various videos. But you are so stuffed up with your BS misconceptions and misinterpretations that you are incapable of learning. As you continue to demonstrate.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2014, 04:29:34 PM
Figure 2, the crystal oscillator frequencies are adjusted with a small 50pF rotary capacitor. With the circuit as shown, with a five-volt power supply (http://www.oddmix.com/elec/elt_pwr_1.html), the audio output frequency range is 10 Hz to a little over 2 kHz. The gates used are all belong to the first generation TTL group. It is very beneficial if the inside circuit is known to save many hours spent on discovery work.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2014, 04:42:07 PM
The Android I-Phone audio frequency generator we've seen Daniel Nunez demonstrate would probably do an excellent job! The frequency's adjusted by a bar slider on the I-Phone screen! Nunez ties into an amplifier to control power.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2014, 04:47:55 PM
@TinselKoala,


Go fly a kite!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2014, 05:28:58 PM

@Quote from God's creator KooklaOllie:

Published on Apr 26, 2013
"I was inspired to build a little magnet spinner by synchro1's interesting work with a large powerful sphere magnet.

I don't have such a magnet, but I did have some little discs. So I mounted a disc magnet on an axle and support, very crude, and wound a couple of coils to exite it with. Assembled with hot glue and driven by the Interstate F43 function generator with a sine or a square wave, the little contraption spins at nearly 12000 RPM.

I've not started looking at output from the system yet. The coils are wired in series. I'll also be trying parallel wiring to see if there's a difference. I would like to use a self-triggering system so that the coil drive power can be triggered by the magnet's rotation directly, but the circuit I tried, posted by conradelectro, didn't work, so I'm still fiddling. Maybe I didn't have the right transistors".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Xrwt-50AA&list=UUZFlznLV3IyePfbc2TfDetA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Xrwt-50AA&list=UUZFlznLV3IyePfbc2TfDetA)


We can series connect two normal coils wound to nest inside the PVC coupling shown above, and run the precision bearing spinner from zero to the disintigration point with the Nunez setup.


@TinselKoala,

Get Help Bub!




Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2014, 06:12:06 PM
We can create a Hartley oscillator with these two normal coils in series by wiring a variable capacitor in series between the battery and coils. This oscillator requires a transistor! This will allow for a smooth transition; We can run it up by sine wave to the Hartley oscillating tank frequency, then flop over to self run in synchronisity with the spinner! The variable capacitor will act as a speed controller at that point. That eliminates the bifilar tank equation. Spiral pancake output coils can be positioned at both ends. That's the finished product!


Kooklaooala may try and get a Hartly to oscillate down at 12k to try and run his Jerry rig off LC tank waves!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2014, 08:02:00 PM

I mentioned "Spiral Output Coils". Assuming the sine wave motor can only power itself, it can gain acceleration by sliding a solenoid output coil down a ferrite core like JLN does in this video: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUoyuiQTrRA&list=UUWBgBvRQ0nJkotHljpyrvGQ
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 06, 2014, 08:41:02 PM
Figure 2, the crystal oscillator frequencies are adjusted with a small 50pF rotary capacitor. With the circuit as shown, with a five-volt power supply (http://www.oddmix.com/elec/elt_pwr_1.html), the audio output frequency range is 10 Hz to a little over 2 kHz. The gates used are all belong to the first generation TTL group. It is very beneficial if the inside circuit is known to save many hours spent on discovery work.
I would not recommend using, and that is if you can still find "original TTL" IE straight 7400 series in a circuit like this.   The circuits will work a lot more reliably if you use CMOS which is easy to get in 74HC or 74LVC.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 06, 2014, 08:48:03 PM
The Android I-Phone audio frequency generator we've seen Daniel Nunez demonstrate would probably do an excellent job! The frequency's adjusted by a bar slider on the I-Phone screen! Nunez ties into an amplifier to control power.
Daniel Nunez's power measurements are unfortunately very, very bad.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 06, 2014, 09:10:40 PM
@Quote from God's creator KooklaOllie:

Published on Apr 26, 2013
"I was inspired to build a little magnet spinner by synchro1's interesting work with a large powerful sphere magnet.

I don't have such a magnet, but I did have some little discs. So I mounted a disc magnet on an axle and support, very crude, and wound a couple of coils to exite it with. Assembled with hot glue and driven by the Interstate F43 function generator with a sine or a square wave, the little contraption spins at nearly 12000 RPM.

I've not started looking at output from the system yet. The coils are wired in series. I'll also be trying parallel wiring to see if there's a difference. I would like to use a self-triggering system so that the coil drive power can be triggered by the magnet's rotation directly, but the circuit I tried, posted by conradelectro, didn't work, so I'm still fiddling. Maybe I didn't have the right transistors".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Xrwt-50AA&list=UUZFlznLV3IyePfbc2TfDetA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Xrwt-50AA&list=UUZFlznLV3IyePfbc2TfDetA)


We can series connect two normal coils wound to nest inside the PVC coupling shown above, and run the precision bearing spinner from zero to the disintigration point with the Nunez setup.


@TinselKoala,

Get Help Bub!





That's a cool video TK made.  By "Nunez set-up" I am sure TK is referring to the drive capability of the audio amplifier that Daniel Nunez used in some demonstrations.  There isn't anyplace in TK's demonstration to put one Daniel Nunez's transformers.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 06, 2014, 09:17:59 PM
I mentioned "Spiral Output Coils". Assuming the sine wave motor can only power itself, it can gain acceleration by sliding a solenoid output coil down a ferrite core like JLN does in this video: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUoyuiQTrRA&list=UUWBgBvRQ0nJkotHljpyrvGQ
Those demonstrations show changes in low efficiency configurations.  I don't see how you think that introducing something that kills efficiency is going to help you.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 07, 2014, 03:00:43 AM

@MarkE,


With all due respect;

Forget about Nunez! I'm not getting sidetracked by "Kiboshers" anymore. A signal generator can do the job just like it did in Koolaids video.


The important factor now is what I call "Lenz Delay Threshold". JLN has a different name for this Lenzless R.P.M. range. TK's crappy paper clip axle job just won't make the cut for O.U. sine wave output at 12K. All an LC tank spinner can do is surf the the sine wave. Any attempt to draw output kills the resonance. I got it to work with "Lenz Accelerating" magnet core output coils. JLN's using ferrite. The Hartley oscillator trimmer would need to increase capacity to tailor a "Lower" frequency  to compensate for the rotor acceleration caused by the output load.


The output cores can pass through neoprene "O" rings in the housing end caps, and the housing evacuated. The housing can be made from "Kryon" nano carbon tube alloy flak jacket material stonger than anything on the Planet. We can fit an air valve into the rotor housing along with the plexiglass viewing window and evacuate it with a squeeze ball.


We need to power the spinner up with the signal generator, then push the cores through the "O" ring seals close to the spinner then position the output coils as JLN does to shift the phase correctly for lenz acceleration. After the output coils are tuned, we can flop over to Tank Oscillation. There will be no need to ever want to stop it after that!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 07, 2014, 03:36:32 AM
@MarkE,


With all due respect;

Forget about Nunez! I'm not getting sidetracked by "Kiboshers" anymore. A signal generator can do the job just like it did in Koolaids video.
Synchro1 you brought up DN.  Why did you highlight TK's reference to Daniel Nunez if you didn't have some point to make that related to his devices?
Quote


The important factor now is what I call "Lenz Delay Threshold". JLN has a different name for this Lenzless R.P.M. range. TK's crappy paper clip axle job just won't make the cut for O.U. sine wave output at 12K.
I thought TK's simple little motor worked pretty well.  He wasn't chasing OU that I can tell.  No one else has achieved OU so you have an open field in which to work.
Quote
  All an LC tank spinner can do is surf the the sine wave. Any attempt to draw output kills the resonance.
Conventional theory says that is true for all resonant devices.  All energy that is removed decreases Q.
Quote
I got it to work with "Lenz Accelerating" magnet core output coils. JLN's using ferrite. The Hartley oscillator trimmer would need to increase capacity to tailor a "Lower" frequency  to compensate for the rotor acceleration caused by the output load.
The JLN scheme with the soft iron rod just looks like it saps power and efficiency to me.  If you have measurements that show a gain, I'd like to see them.
Quote


The output cores can pass through neoprene "O" rings in the housing end caps, and the housing evacuated. The housing can be made from "Kryon" nano carbon tube alloy flak jacket material stonger than anything on the Planet. We can fit an air valve into the rotor housing along with the plexiglass viewing window and evacuate it with a squeeze ball.


We need to power the spinner up with the signal generator, then push the cores through the "O" ring seals close to the spinner then position the output coils as JLN does to shift the phase correctly for lenz acceleration. After the output coils are tuned, we can flop over to Tank Oscillation. There will be no need to ever want to stop it after that!
Do you have plans to build a test rig for your idea?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 07, 2014, 07:09:29 PM

@MarkE,

Quote from MarkE:

"The JLN scheme with the soft iron rod just looks like it saps power and efficiency to me.  If you have measurements that show a gain, I'd like to see them".


I'm not here to spoon feed you. Here's a link to JLN's web site. Type "regenerative acceleration" into the site's search engine, and review the videos.


                                                                                            Help yourself!

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=7894721&map=0&page=3&ics=1 (http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=7894721&map=0&page=3&ics=1)
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 07, 2014, 07:24:07 PM
Threshold speed is critical for the reversal of the "Lenz Acceleration" efficiency curve. The inefficiency of the iron cores reverses itself at a sufficiently high R.P.M. One needs to study JLN's very high quality test videos to understand this. Compare JLN's test bed to the "Trash Ball of Christmas Ornament's".
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 07, 2014, 07:50:47 PM
@MarkE,

Quote from MarkE:

"The JLN scheme with the soft iron rod just looks like it saps power and efficiency to me.  If you have measurements that show a gain, I'd like to see them".


I'm not here to spoon feed you. Here's a link to JLN's web site. Type "regenerative acceleration" into the site's search engine, and review the videos.


                                                                                            Help yourself!

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=7894721&map=0&page=3&ics=1 (http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=7894721&map=0&page=3&ics=1)
JLN doesn't have measurements that show OU from that device.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 07, 2014, 07:51:52 PM
Threshold speed is critical for the reversal of the "Lenz Acceleration" efficiency curve. The inefficiency of the iron cores reverses itself at a sufficiently high R.P.M. One needs to study JLN's very high quality test videos to understand this. Compare JLN's test bed to the "Trash Ball of Christmas Ornament's".
The faster one oscillates a field near conductive material such as iron, the greater the induction heating losses that result.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 07, 2014, 08:22:05 PM
@MarkE,


I asked that you review JLN's videos. You'll find his calorimetric testing shows that there's an opposite cooling effect over the Threshold. Something I noticed myself and commented on repeatedly over the years.


The insertion of the ferrite output cores would alter the inductance of the air core power coils somewhat, but that would tend to increase the efficiency. The variable oscillator can tune to the new resonant frequency. Apparently you haven't studied JLN's tiny series of excellent videos enough.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 07, 2014, 08:51:19 PM
@MarkE,


I asked that you review JLN's videos. You'll find his calorimetric testing shows that there's an opposite cooling effect over the Threshold. Something I noticed myself and commented on repeatedly over the years.


The insertion of the ferrite output cores would alter the inductance of the air core power coils somewhat, but that would tend to increase the efficiency. The variable oscillator can tune to the new resonant frequency. Apparently you haven't studied JLN's tiny series of excellent videos enough.
Synchro1 over the years I have become pretty framiliar with JLN's work.  He does not get surplus energy out of the arrangements we are discussing, (or any other experiments that he has conducted either).  Eddy currents are a real thing that cause real loss that increases with frequency.  JLN like a lot of other people has conducted experiments where one really inefficient mechanism is replaced by another less inefficient mechanism.  Thes particular experiments are no different.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 08, 2014, 03:47:53 PM

Here's a definitive JLN video. JLN has completely mastered control of the "Lenz Delay Acceleration effect" by sliding the output coil along his "Barkhausen Core":


http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE21en.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE21en.htm)


Comments :
We notice on the curve below, that the braking effect (common Lenz effect) and the accelerating effect (reverse Lenz effect) of the rotating magnetic rotor (blue curve) is DIRECTLY LINKED to the phase shifting curve of the magnetic fluctuation (red curve). The acceleration of the rotor is maximal when the phase angle switches from postive to negative (the green rectangle area at a distance of 30mm). The loaded secondary coil is set at the phase shifting point and acts as a wave reflector, it returns the magnetic wave in opposition phase to the magnetic rotor in rotation, producing its acceleration.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 08, 2014, 04:16:26 PM
JLN's magnetic wave reflector output coil only works to accelerate the spinning rotor over the threshold R.P.M. A COP measured against a D.C. motor input, plugged into a wall outlet will turn out poor. Even without the LC tank, a rotor simply driven up to threshold speed by a signal generator sine wave alone will improve the COP many many times. The spinner bearing is the only obstacle.


                             A freewheeling spinner wouldn't need a tank oscillation once self powered by a wave reflector output coil.

Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 08, 2014, 06:10:18 PM
JLN 's spinner would self run if it were de-clutched  and allowed to spin freely on low friction precision bearings. An LC tank would allow the spinner to idle at threshold R.P.M. Braking could be achieved by switching the power coils to output and regulating a load. Any kind of circuit could be used to run it up. Two coils, one trigger and the other power would complement a Bedini. These coils can be used to brake the spinner if necessary.   


JLN apparently can afford a cleaning maid and is not dressed up in a scary "Gorilla Suit" like Tinklehole Krapoola.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 08, 2014, 07:28:10 PM
The difference between the "Consecutive" and the "Parallel" Hybrid, Honda and Prius, is that the "Honda Consecutive" has it's electric generating motor connected to the drive train. The Prius motor just charges the battery. I wrote and told Thane that I thought he was making the same mistake Honda did. He grew angry with me.


JLN's last video has three "Lenz Delay" output coils and a rotor brake to simulate a drive train load. I believe that's a backwards approach. It makes more sense to advance the self runner to generate power to charge the electric motor battery. This design would make a fine range extender for the Tesla battery driven car. This approach makes all Thane's patents obsolete.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 08, 2014, 08:25:42 PM
Remove the "Paddle Wheel Brake" from JLN's spinner and install a pair of nearly frictionless precision ceramic bearings. Open the power coil circuit and the spinner should begin to self propel at "Lenz Acceleration" threshold from the output coil wave reflection alone. The output coil needs a load, so not only would the generator run itself at that point, it would generate that amount of excess power power too! It's a mistake to slow the rotor speed mechanically. It just kills it's own advantage.


Mechanical drag can be duplicated by imposing additional output coil "Lenz Drag". That way the mechanical losses are eliminated. That extra power would power the drive wheel electrically more efficiently.


This approach eliminates the need for a "Torque Converter". Thane's Bane!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 08, 2014, 10:19:14 PM
Here's a definitive JLN video. JLN has completely mastered control of the "Lenz Delay Acceleration effect" by sliding the output coil along his "Barkhausen Core":


http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE21en.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE21en.htm)


Comments :
We notice on the curve below, that the braking effect (common Lenz effect) and the accelerating effect (reverse Lenz effect) of the rotating magnetic rotor (blue curve) is DIRECTLY LINKED to the phase shifting curve of the magnetic fluctuation (red curve). The acceleration of the rotor is maximal when the phase angle switches from postive to negative (the green rectangle area at a distance of 30mm). The loaded secondary coil is set at the phase shifting point and acts as a wave reflector, it returns the magnetic wave in opposition phase to the magnetic rotor in rotation, producing its acceleration.
The experiment that you are looking at demonstrates different amounts of power shunting.  If you allow your car engine to idle with the car in gear it will move forward with a small amount of pressure on the brakes, and more quickly with less pressure on the brakes.  The engine efficiency is unchanged by what you do with the brakes.  If you were to put a motor and a cam on the throttle, the car would then accelerate in an undulating pattern.  If you time application of the brakes you could arrange that the brakes are pressed hardest when the throttle is open and the least when the throttle is closed, or alternately the most when the throttle is closed and the least when the throttle is open.  The average speed will be differnt between the two cases, but engine efficiency is still unaltered.

And so it is here.  One can reduce the losses and due to the magnetic viscosity, one can also time the phase relationship between the braking and acceleration forces to coincide at maximum or at opposition.  What one cannot do is convert the braking forces into self-accelerating forces.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 08, 2014, 10:43:07 PM
@MarkE,

Quote from you:

"What one cannot do is convert the braking forces into self-accelerating forces".

So what?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 08, 2014, 10:59:17 PM
@MarkE,

Quote from you:

"What one cannot do is convert the braking forces into self-accelerating forces".

So what?
So, what is that as much fun as magnetic viscosity may be, it is a loss mechanism.  More of the effect does not improve efficiency, it hurts efficiency.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 09, 2014, 01:35:50 AM
@MarkE,


Help solve this one: Suppose JLN's pulse power input is many times greater then sine wave drive. Accepting that we can accelerate the spinner to 25k both ways; Would the "Magnet Wave Reflector Coil" behave any differently with one power source over the other?   
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 09, 2014, 02:28:32 AM
@MarkE,


Help solve this one: Suppose JLN's pulse power input is many times greater then sine wave drive. Accepting that we can accelerate the spinner to 25k both ways; Would the "Magnet Wave Reflector Coil" behave any differently with one power source over the other?   
If speaking only in terms of the driving waveform, a sine wave source with the same peak amplitude as a square wave source will be free of harmonics that mostly just waste power.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 09, 2014, 03:52:58 PM
@MarkE,

Nice dodge!

Quote from mark:

"So, what is that as much fun as magnetic viscosity may be, it is a loss mechanism.  More of the effect does not improve efficiency, it hurts efficiency".

The "Ramapo Plinth", a stone axe head found in a New Jersey river bed, complete with operating instructions in Proto-Phoenician; "Parry first then strike".  Additional fighting instructions from "Lao Tsu"; "One must first step backwards before one can leap forward". On the surface, these apparent "loss mechanisms" Yin strength inside Yang, yield extra power!

Placing a Neo magnet tube inside an output coil bore hole is strictly Tabu from an efficiency perspective. The magnet has an even greater magnetic viscosity then JLN's ferrite core, and slows the output coil pole reversal past TDC even more, resulting in rotor acceleration at a lower rotor threshold speed.

Everyone's told magnets are the worst choice for a coil core, because they 'Gum up the coil" too much. So, you're right about increased magnetic viscosity hurting efficency, but the loss helps increase "Lenz acceleration" by delaying the pole shift past TDC and suppling propulsion to the rotor at lower R.P.M.! Got it?

A non-shorted output coil goes unseen by the magnet rotor. Conradelectro agreed to test this kind of very high magnetic viscosity neo magnet core "Lenz Delay" coil over this past Yuletide, but neglected to connect the output coil wires together and got zero results, infuriating me.     

Proper positioning is crucial for both kinds of "High Magnetic Viscosity" output cores to get the maximum acceleration effect! JLN's tests help demonstrate the value of the "Synchro Coil"! Doug Konzen uploaded a video that demonstrates how attaching a magnet to the back side of a ferrite output coil core speeds his magnet rotor up and lowers input at low R.P.M. by increasing "Magnetic Viscosity" in this way!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 09, 2014, 07:16:02 PM
If you do the math properly, you will find that the "acceleration" never makes up for the loss.  Each adjustment to reduce the loss, weakens the acelleration.  Conversely, each effort to increase the acceleration increases the loss.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 09, 2014, 08:09:54 PM

@MarkE,

How do you measure a loss when the input drops as the rotor accelerates? Maybe you'll start to pretend you know more then Nicola Tesla like that other know it all show off, hiding in a side tracked portion of the London sewer system like a Sax Rohmer character, not Tyrone Power:
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 09, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
We can lower the "Lenz Delay" R.P.M. threshold by attaching "Konzen" magnets to the back side of the ferrite cores, increasing the "Magnetic Viscosity" of the ferrite cores, and generally making it harder for their output coils to operate efficiently. This advantage allows us to tailor the other parameters, such as LC tank self oscillating frequency, and bearing design.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 10, 2014, 12:23:50 AM
MileHigh developed the extremely efficient MHOP circuit on my "Self Accelerating Reed Switch" thread that looks like a natural for the two coil power circuit under consideration. The circuit includes an onboard "Stroboscope". This circuit replaces the need for a signal generator and a Laser Tach. I rejected this initially because I didn't feel it would run up to "Lenz Delay" R.P.M. threshold speed; However, raising the output coil ferrite core "Magnetic Viscosity" with tail magnets like Doug demonstrates, would help it interface! 


The trigger and power coils would be joined on the "Flop Over" to Hartley Oscillator.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 10, 2014, 03:20:27 AM
@MarkE,

How do you measure a loss when the input drops as the rotor accelerates? Maybe you'll start to pretend you know more then Nicola Tesla like that other know it all show off, hiding in a side tracked portion of the London sewer system like a Sax Rohmer character, not Tyrone Power:
One measures actual input and output power.  Incremental efficiency gains can be interesting, and exploitable or a nuisance depending on the circumstances.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: Magluvin on September 10, 2014, 04:24:09 AM


Everyone's told magnets are the worst choice for a coil core, because they 'Gum up the coil" too much. So, you're right about increased magnetic viscosity hurting efficency, but the loss helps increase "Lenz acceleration" by delaying the pole shift past TDC and suppling propulsion to the rotor at lower R.P.M.! Got it?



Lets say we have a rotor with 4 magnets N out and 1 stator coil with a magnet as a core, S facing the rotor.  Just for example, we short the stator coil and spin the rotor.

As the rotor magnet approaches the stator coil, the stator core magnet attracts the rotor magnet.
When the rotor magnet field starts 'cutting' the windings of the coil on the approaching side, the coil will produce a field opposite of the core magnet, lessening the field strength of the stator core magnet. During the time that the rotor magnet is cutting the approaching side of the coil, the rotor and core magnets attraction is lessened, instead of increasing as the 2 mags come close to alignment. Then as the rotor magnet is very close to center of the stator coil magnet and very little rotor field cutting the coil, the attraction bounces back to near max.

Then as the rotor mag passes center, the rotor is slowed down naturally due to strong magnetic attraction. But when the rotor mag starts to cut the coil windings on the departing side of the coil, the coil produces a field that strengthens the field of the stator core magnet, creating even more pull back on the rotor mag, slowing the rotor down even more. 

As for magnets as cores of inductors/transformers, here is what I know.

The only advantage that I know of, is a magnetized core can store more energy than a standard core before core saturation.  It has to be a DC pulsed setup, whether its an inductor or transformer in order to take advantage of the larger storage.  The coil field must oppose the magnets field, like winding a spring, then the field collapse creates desired output. In theory, the coil field can store enough energy that would oppose the magnetic cores field till the cores field is completely reversed and the core finally saturates from the opposing field, opposite of the magnets original field.  If the coils field adds to the magnetized cores field, the core will saturate well before the normal core.

Mags
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 10, 2014, 07:13:33 AM
MileHigh developed the extremely efficient MHOP circuit on my "Self Accelerating Reed Switch" thread that looks like a natural for the two coil power circuit under consideration. The circuit includes an onboard "Stroboscope". This circuit replaces the need for a signal generator and a Laser Tach. I rejected this initially because I didn't feel it would run up to "Lenz Delay" R.P.M. threshold speed; However, raising the output coil ferrite core "Magnetic Viscosity" with tail magnets like Doug demonstrates, would help it interface! 


The trigger and power coils would be joined on the "Flop Over" to Hartley Oscillator.


Who developed that circuit, you liar?


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 10, 2014, 07:15:23 AM
@MarkE,

How do you measure a loss when the input drops as the rotor accelerates? Maybe you'll start to pretend you know more then Nicola Tesla like that other know it all show off, hiding in a side tracked portion of the London sewer system like a Sax Rohmer character, not Tyrone Power:


Who are you talking about now, liar? You aren't talking about ME because I don't know more than Nikola Tesla and never claimed to. I just know more than YOU. A lot more.



Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 10, 2014, 02:31:43 PM
                                                           Obey your "Almighty Ruler" or every living thing will die!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 10, 2014, 02:47:20 PM
@TinselKoala,

You built a core spinner like mine, then you signaled a desire to include output.  How come, extra smart as smart can be, you didn't first invent my low R.P.M. threshold, high viscosity core "Lenz Propulsion" regulator output coil for your crummy paper clip axle? Try prowling the alleys after dark next trash night to scavenge up more componants!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 11, 2014, 02:53:51 AM

Quote from "Fu's" awesome ground breaking video:

"The Secret of DPDT allows instant, On-The-Fly reversal of the drive coil magnetic polarity. This turns the MHOP into a Repulsion type pulse motor".


                    TinselKoala really set the mark high scarfing this "Midnight Find" onto MileHigh's Op Amp circuit. Holy Moly!   


I can tell you who The-Fly's-On!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 11, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from "Fu's" awesome ground breaking video:

"The Secret of DPDT allows instant, On-The-Fly reversal of the drive coil magnetic polarity. This turns the MHOP into a Repulsion type pulse motor".


                    TinselKoala really set the mark high scarfing this "Midnight Find" onto MileHigh's Op Amp circuit. Holy Moly!   


I can tell you who The-Fly's-On!


Hey, let's switch the wires around on the battery then wire some blinking "Christmas Lights" to it and pretend it's our idea! TinselKoala is nothing more than a  stinking "Showboat"! Imagine emerging from the candy store to find a stranger seated on your bicycle with new tassels dangling from your rubber handle bar grips, not MileHigh, claiming he's the new owner!


I'm attempting to replicate TK's test platform, but after sorting through piles of trash out back, all I managed to salvage was a "Metal" peanut butter jar lid! 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 11, 2014, 09:09:10 PM
On a non-humorous note: I bought a nice piece of plastic Tupperware with perpendicular walls. I have two sailboats moored on the North Coast of California that register high Milli Sieverts on the dulcimeter from the Fukishima Daiichi wastewater, so I'm working out of Costa Rica till 2026 when the radioactivity is supposed to start diminishing.


                  "Massive radiation plume from Fukushima heading toward U.S. West Coast according to a scientific report"

Learn more:         http://www.naturalnews.com/046830_radiation_plume_West_Coast_Fukushima.html#ixzz3D2cbLus8 (http://www.naturalnews.com/046830_radiation_plume_West_Coast_Fukushima.html#ixzz3D2cbLus8)

I brought one nice high perm ferrite rod from home along with a bag of components and my video camera. I plan to demonstrate how increasing magnetic viscosity lowers the "Lenz Delay Threshold" in my next video from Paradise.
 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 12, 2014, 03:21:22 PM
Yesterday I went nuts learning how to say "Roller Skate Bearing" in Spanish. I'm chucking this "Lid Rotor" idea and searching out an old VCR bearing. These bearings race like crazy! I could probably use somebody with specialized dumpster skills at this point, but as luck may have it, I perhaps burned one bridge too many for my own good.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 12, 2014, 04:51:42 PM
Tesla patented the "Ball Bearing motor" demonstrated at 3:55 into this video by Chris Carson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lqMiZPO9TM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lqMiZPO9TM)

This platform is the most elegant of all for the "Lenz Delay Coil" test yet:

A conductive axle connects the inner race then attaches to a flywheel. The battery electrodes connect to the outer race and voila! Spinergy! Non- magnetic materials would allow for a large diametric disk magnet to double task as a flywheel and a magnet rotor!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: Bob Smith on September 12, 2014, 07:50:27 PM
Here's another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7LOF1GZpdo
bob
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 12, 2014, 10:15:38 PM
@Bob Smith,

Thank you very much Bob! Run's on A.C. or D.C. in either direction. Central positioning of the rotor makes more sense.  Here's the second video in the series:


                                                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1xnQ9gWy1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1xnQ9gWy1o)
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 13, 2014, 12:30:31 AM
Placing 16 magnets on each wooden disc would multiply the R.P.M the output coils see by a factor of 8. 5k hertz R.P.M would equal 40k R.P.M. That's luxury for the "Lenz Delay Threshold" R.P.M. test.  These rotor magnets would eliminate the kind of current deflection described by the "Laplace effect". The high amperage torque is very powerful, sufficient to accelerate two of these rotors rapidly to high speed.

We can easily fit 4 "Ferrite Core Lenz Delay Coils" in perpendicular adjacency to these rotors. 8 would not present a problem. A 3rd rotor would perhaps allow for 12 of these propulsion coils. 6 volts maximum and 10 amps is really "Hog Swilling", but with 12 propulsion coils  to assist, we might be able to disconnect the battery!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 13, 2014, 03:33:39 AM
I have a riddle to solve: Let's say we have 6 "Lenz Delay Coils" facing one rotor of 16 magnets. Now, what difference would it make to have the same 6 "Lenz Delay Coils" facing 3 rotors of 48 magnets, 2 coils per rotor? All the magnets equal strength, all the rotors equal diameter, and equal power supplied to the axle bearings.

Quote from Gotoluc's Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal input power:

"In my design I use the most powerful magnet available and have the magnet itself (or PM field) as cores for the coil. In this kind of arrangement we only need a very small amount of input energy for the coil to create work".

There's an inverse relationship here!

As Gotoluc adds magnets to his coil core his pull power increases per watt of coil power.

As we add rotor axle magnets, the "Lenz Delay Coils" increase propulsion and output per watt of input.

Increasing the number of "Lenz propulsion Coils" around a fixed number of magnets splits the propulsion between the coils instead of adding to the advantage, following the "Law of Diminishing Returns". This is similar to increasing the number of regular "Lenz Drag" output coils; They merely share the available output rather then multiply it.

However, when we add magnets to the wave reflector coils, the propulsion increases! We'd get three times the reflection off three mirrors then we would from one. Adding rotor magnets to normal "Lenz Drag Coils" would increase the drag along with output but require additional input, so power in equals power out. The "Lenz Propulsion Coil" has an opposite relationship to the addition of more magnets! Very simple once you understand it.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 13, 2014, 10:35:04 AM
I have a riddle to solve: Let's say we have 6 "Lenz Delay Coils" facing one rotor of 16 magnets. Now, what difference would it make to have the same 6 "Lenz Delay Coils" facing 3 rotors of 48 magnets, 2 coils per rotor? All the magnets equal strength, all the rotors equal diameter, and equal power supplied to the axle bearings.

Quote from Gotoluc's Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal input power:

"In my design I use the most powerful magnet available and have the magnet itself (or PM field) as cores for the coil. In this kind of arrangement we only need a very small amount of input energy for the coil to create work".

There's an inverse relationship here!

As Gotoluc adds magnets to his coil core his pull power increases per watt of coil power.

As we add rotor axle magnets, the "Lenz Delay Coils" increase propulsion and output per watt of input.

Increasing the number of "Lenz propulsion Coils" around a fixed number of magnets splits the propulsion between the coils instead of adding to the advantage, following the "Law of Diminishing Returns". This is similar to increasing the number of regular "Lenz Drag" output coils; They merely share the available output rather then multiply it.

However, when we add magnets to the wave reflector coils, the propulsion increases! We'd get three times the reflection off three mirrors then we would from one. Adding rotor magnets to normal "Lenz Drag Coils" would increase the drag along with output but require additional input, so power in equals power out. The "Lenz Propulsion Coil" has an opposite relationship to the addition of more magnets! Very simple once you understand it.
Get your hands on some FEM software that has a magnetics package and you can explore such questions from the comfort of your computer.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 13, 2014, 04:18:27 PM
@MarkE,

Thank you MarkE!

I need to drive to ACE hardware in San Jose for the non-magnetic ball bearings and aluminum tube. A 6 volt lantern battery can serve as a power source. The two wooden flywheels can be replaced with PVC end caps and pipe. Rings of magnets can be glued to the pipe and covered with tape. The output would be A.C. The output coils wired in series might illuminate an incandescent bulb. This self runner needs a load! The bearings will get hot and cause trouble if it doesn't start turning on its own. This generator will relegate Thane Hein's scooter to a museum if it works.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 13, 2014, 05:33:56 PM
3:00 minuutes into this video we can see the kind of PVC magnet rotor I plan to use:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgkoxbS5rHk&feature=channel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgkoxbS5rHk&feature=channel)


The axle holes in the PVC end caps need to be precisely centered. A professional machine shop can accomplish this kind of high tolerance drilling. Naturally, lowering the "Lenz Delay Threshold" through the addition of disk magnets attached to the back of the ferrite output coil cores will result in a lowering of output. 


Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: Bob Smith on September 13, 2014, 07:46:57 PM
Hey Synch
Something I read from the Keppe Motor people that seems to relate what you're describing:
Quote
The true Alternating Current is Pulsed Direct Current because it works more in accordance with nature. Since PDC is an interrupted current, it does not offer any resistance to the second, returning component of Essential Energy, which begins to act naturally, moving in the same direction as the external movement of the rotor but in the opposite direction as the first, pulsed component. This actually completes the full energy cycle, as if power were pumping in from the scalar field from its natural internal vibration. The rotor spins much more efficiently, with dramatically reduced electrical consumption, and almost zero heat loss.
Source: Keppe Motor Manual - Working Principles PP 16- 17 http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/keppe_motor_manual_v1.1_-_working_principle.pdf
Website:  http://www.pure-energy.info/
Suerte!
Bob
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 14, 2014, 08:33:39 PM
@Bob Smith,


                   Once again Bob, thanks for your very valuable Keppe upload. Keppe's collecting backspike energy from the coil collapse through the Reed switch and calling it ZPE. I argued with "Tinsel Streamers" that A.C. produced a a field collapse also when the polarity reversed. Keppe's rotor has too much mass to magnetic field ratio to react to the sine wave like TK's tiny neo disk spinner. Both power with identical double coils.


                    Generally, "Lenz Delay Output Coils" share the magnetic rotor field strength. Increasing the number of "Wave Reflector Coils" divides the strength and the propulsion of a fixed number of rotor magnets. Increasing the number or the strength of the rotor magnets increases the "Reflected wave" along with the propulsion. The "Muller Motor" rotor employs both poles of the magnet rotors, along with magnet core output coils. Muller really didn't understand how to control the effect. Altering the output coil core viscosity requires a repositioning of the output coil itself in relation to the rotor field to sustain the propulsion effect. Adding additional rings of magnets to the common rotor and allowing for output coil positioning along a ferrite core perfects the "Muller" concept.


                     The comparison of the "Lenz Delay Wave Reflector Coil" and rotor magnets to source light and reflective mirrors helps: One candle and two mirrors has half the reflected light power of two candles and one mirror. 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 15, 2014, 08:14:57 AM
Synchro about a year and a half ago, I was provided with a copy of Keppe's kit documents.  What they had in that kit was a very primitive device that was also not particularly efficient.  At the time Keppe claimed that it was a good design because the efficiency is better than the horribly low efficiency of a single phase AC induction motor.

Keppe were unable to point to anything in their kit motor that did not correspond to completely ordinary physics.  What Keppe claimed is a resonance, is just ordinary inertia.  Keppe use an optical interrupter as the commutator in a trivial two pole motor.  See the block diagram below.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 15, 2014, 02:57:03 PM
@MarkE,


             Thank you very much for uploading the Keppe schematic. Looks to me like a Rube Goldberg "Newman" motor without the commutator.

             I built an experimental flux motor with conductive non-magnetic bearings I purchased from ACE hardware. I found that these bearings pressed just right into PVC elbows. All one would need to do is strip the insulation from multi strand wire, run the wire up through the inside of the 90 degree elbow, and press the ball bearing in. It would be easy to cut the uprights and assemble a frame from tailored PVC pipe lengths and T's. The long output coil cores can slip through cross couplings in parallel braces along side.


              The rotor can be built with nested sections of PVC pipe. The outer section can be drilled to house axial cylinder magnets, which can press fit cleanly through and up against the inside sleeve. I have just such a platform on my work table back home in "Borderland" California.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on September 16, 2014, 05:26:38 AM
Synchro1, you are welcome.  It is a block diagram of what's in, or was in their kit at the time.  It had big time safety issues that I identified and provided to Sterling Allen who had provided me the manual with the understanding that I would use it to review the motor for Sterling, which I did.  I have left out the specifics which are quite simple to honor that agreement.  Sterling supposedly let his friends at Keppe know about the safety hazards that I identified.  I don't know if they ever addressed those problems.

For all of Keppe's New Age mumbo jumbo, the motor itself is as you note very primitive.  If I recall correctly they claim that they worked on it for about ten years.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on October 02, 2014, 10:07:09 AM
JLN clearly demonstrated how increasing "Magnetic Core Viscosity" lowers the R.P.M. threshold for "Lenz propulsion".  Take another look at Gadgetmall's self charging Bedini. The coil core runs through the coil and out the backside. He then places a "Piggyback Output Coil" over the core loops back to source, and succeeds in charging his run battery and a capacitor. How does his rider coil effect the coil core viscosity?   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LczzeeyfFoA&list=UURrNPHKajmT5UgVffVlWkKQ&index=85 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LczzeeyfFoA&list=UURrNPHKajmT5UgVffVlWkKQ&index=85)


Here's a link to JLN'S "Viscous Remnant Magnetization" DLE "Delayed Lenz Effect" experiment:

DLE-TEST20 : The VISCOUS REMANENT MAGNETIZATION (VRM) experiment with the DLE-TB v1 (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE21en.htm)

One more essential video from Doug Konzen demonstrating "DLE" with a magnet backed ferrite core and shorted coil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaaEdGPO7C8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaaEdGPO7C8)
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: Bob Smith on October 05, 2014, 05:15:17 AM
Yesterday I went nuts learning how to say "Roller Skate Bearing" in Spanish.
Knock yourself out man!
http://patinescostarica.com/
B
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on October 06, 2014, 04:21:01 PM
The distance of the piggyback output coil from the rotor and the thickness and permeability of the core are critical factors.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 19, 2015, 11:53:01 PM
Here are two coils in parallel driving a diametric tube directly with 6 volt A.C. power at 50Hz and 3000 R.P.M.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ueoyyVmNk0

Could a capacitor generate a 50 Hz LC tank sine wave wired to the coils strong enough to spin the tube?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 20, 2015, 01:30:21 AM
Wire a power potentiometer to a six volt battery, then wire a correctly sized "Variable Capaciitor" between the battery and the parallel coils. Reducing capacitance should speed the rotor up with increased frequency. What direction would the power nob turn as the rotor accelerated from increased oscillation frequency, towards a lower or higher input? I forcast we'd gain more speed with a reduction in power!

Impedence matching has been identified as the porch of Overunity.

The wiring schematic is pretty straight forward towards the end of the video.   
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 20, 2015, 02:53:20 AM
Gotoluc shows how a load reduces input while A.C. frequency and R.P.M. remain constant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS4zmXU11A8
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 20, 2015, 10:08:16 AM
Here's a picture of four variable Inductors. Two variable Inductors in parallel can power the spinner from the LLC sine wave from a variable capacitor matching impedence. We should be able to control the frequency and R.P.M. by increasing or decreasing the Inductance and Capacitance, thereby altering the resonant frequency.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 20, 2015, 10:32:12 AM
Here's a homemade variable inductor for A.C. current. Two of these variable coils in parallel, facing one another, would power the spinner with a sine wave coupled to a variable capacitor to control the resonant frequency!

Naturally, a battery and potentiometer would replace the A.C. signal generator after the variable capacitor was connected.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 20, 2015, 11:00:01 AM
Any two solinoid coils with sliding steel cores connected in parallel and wired to a butterfly capacitor should be able to run a diametric spinner between them with the LC resonant sine wave. Pushing the steel cores in and closing the capacitor plates would lower the frequency and R.P.M..

Increasing power input to the capacitor, would increase the amplitude of the LC sine wave, strengthen the magnetic field of the coils and add power to the spinner, but the LC tank resonant frequency would still control the R.P.M.

3000 R.P.M. with a finger flick? Scaling harmonics!

The contradiction of this sine wave motor is that speeding it up would force the operator to turn the power down!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on August 20, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
Any two solinoid coils with sliding steel cores connected in parallel and wired to a butterfly capacitor should be able to run a diametric spinner between them with the LC resonant sine wave. Pushing the steel cores in and closing the capacitor plates would lower the frequency and R.P.M..

Increasing power input, would increase the amplitude of the LC sine wave, strengthen the magnetic field of the coils and add power to the spinner, but the resonant frequency would still control the R.P.M.

3000 R.P.M. with a finger flick? Scaling harmonics!

The contradiction of this sine wave motor is that speeding it up would force the operator to turn the power down!
Why do you think that is a contradiction (sic) paradox?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 20, 2015, 12:19:22 PM
"Another method to control the inductance without any moving parts requires an additional DC current bias winding which controls the permeability of an easily saturable core material".

So we can regulate the parallel coil inductance by wraping the core materials with seperate D.C. windings. This "Magnet Amplifier" circuit would permit us to finely tune the D.C. power exactly to each coil to achieve LC resonance with a seperate potentiometer and battery source.

Three knob controls. This motor will only run in resonance, but be very close to 100% efficient.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: TinselKoala on August 20, 2015, 12:48:09 PM
Here's a picture of four variable Inductors. Two variable Inductors in parallel can power the spinner from the LLC sine wave from a variable capacitor matching impedence. We should be able to control the frequency and R.P.M. by increasing or decreasing the Inductance and Capacitance, thereby altering the resonant frequency.

Those sure don't look like "variable inductors" to me. Unless you want to try varying their inductance by using an external magnetic field or something.

Here's one simple type of _actual_ Variable Inductor, called a "loopstick". The ferrite core is able to be adjusted in and out of the center of the Litz wire windings.

Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 20, 2015, 02:34:01 PM
Those sure don't look like "variable inductors" to me. Unless you want to try varying their inductance by using an external magnetic field or something.

Here's one simple type of _actual_ Variable Inductor, called a "loopstick". The ferrite core is able to be adjusted in and out of the center of the Litz wire windings.

@Tinselkoala,

Gotoluc experimented with that coil in his "allcanadion no bemf" video. The coil has an "H" bridge and indeed comes with a magnet attached.

Two of your Variable Litz inductors facing one another in parallel should be able to power a bi-polar magnet spinner in between by sine wave. A butterfly capacitor, tuned to a fequuency low enough to start the magnet with a finger flick should be able to power it with LC resonant sine waves from a sufficient D.C source with no electronic componants.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 20, 2015, 03:30:36 PM
To sustain the oscillation:
 
 "Make the L of the LC resonator the secondary winding of a transformer and couple energy into the LC resonator by driving the primary winding of the transformer at the resonant frequency. If the Q factor of the LC is large, only a small driving signal will be needed". 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 20, 2015, 03:45:49 PM
Pulsing a primary at the resonant frequency will sustain the oscillation more efficiently then adding power to the capacitor. The saturatable core wraped with a D.C. "Mag Amp" coil, can act as the "Transformer Primary" and sustain the oscillation with minimum input, if pulsed at the resonant frequency rather then topping the capacitor off from the losses. We can upgrade the circuit to supply a variable frequency range. The primary coil can both raise and lower the saturation level of the core with D.C  and efficiently pulse at the resonant frequency simultaneously to sustain the oscillation and save power.


@Tinselkoala,

What is inductance range in Henries of your variable Litz Coil?

Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 20, 2015, 09:24:44 PM
@Tinselkoala,

You could seperate the Litz wire coils and designate one the Primary and the other the Secondary. The Secondary would serve as the Inductor in the LC tank, while the Primary's pulsed with low power D.C. at LC resonant frequency to help sustain the oscillation. The A.C. sine wave from the resonant oscillation powers the spinner, not the D.C. pulse.

The Seconday coil should easily tailor with the correct capacitor to deliver any Hertz and R.P.M desirable using the LC calculator. Gotoluc powers a large magnet rotor with a measly 28 milliamps. The Tank Oscillation should be able to transform at least that much current into fluctuating field strength from a battery.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 21, 2015, 04:16:03 AM
Tinselkoala has apparently chosen to ignore me. He once again has proven himself completely worthless for any kind of constructive dialogue. I plan to ignore him completely from this point forward.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 21, 2015, 05:09:31 AM
Two coils built just like this in parallel is just what we need, connected to a variable capacitor: The more the ferrite core's inserted into the coil, the higher the inductance and the greater the matching capacitance needed from the butterfly to lower the frequency of the LLC tank oscillation.

Wraping the end of the ferrite core with a Primary coil and pulsing it with D.C. at resonant frequency supplies the design with a second avenue for input to sustain the sine wave oscillation; A great efficiency improvement.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: Magluvin on August 21, 2015, 05:52:55 AM
Two coils built just like this in parallel is just what we need, connected to a variable capacitor: The more the ferrite core's inserted into the coil, the higher the inductance and the greater the matching capacitance needed from the butterfly to lower the frequency of the LLC tank oscillation.

Wraping the end of the ferrite core with a Primary coil and pulsing it with D.C. at resonant frequency supplies the design with a second avenue for input to sustain the sine wave oscillation; A great efficiency improvement.

Always wondered if Teslas electric car motor had a resonant freq, and possibly built to be so. It was claimed to be an AC motor. So I wonder what the effect would be on the output if the motor windings were in resonance with input.

Mags
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: TinselKoala on August 21, 2015, 06:47:27 AM
Tinselkoala has apparently chosen to ignore me. He once again has proven himself completely worthless for any kind of constructive dialogue. I plan to ignore him completely from this point forward.

Nobody has ever missed anything important by ignoring YOU.

You are the one who constantly misrepresents the work of others, and you just posted a photo of four FIXED INDUCTANCE chokes and called them "variable inductors". Leave me out of your ignorant fantasies and false statements.

And if you were paying attention at all you'd know that I have already shown the value range of those loopsticks and incorporated them in various tuned circuit designs that actually work. And they can be looked up on the internet as well.

Ignore these, idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80D92QaOcM4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqBK00tuI8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjgemF5zpeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHI7LnVWBlY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyVZWkYAvkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcGTBA7NoVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeIWpkywGXs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8S02SB-ENA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd1VNFBFPik
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 21, 2015, 03:08:44 PM
Nobody has ever missed anything important by ignoring YOU.

You are the one who constantly misrepresents the work of others, and you just posted a photo of four FIXED INDUCTANCE chokes and called them "variable inductors". Leave me out of your ignorant fantasies and false statements.

And if you were paying attention at all you'd know that I have already shown the value range of those loopsticks and incorporated them in various tuned circuit designs that actually work. And they can be looked up on the internet as well.

Ignore these, idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80D92QaOcM4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqBK00tuI8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjgemF5zpeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHI7LnVWBlY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyVZWkYAvkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcGTBA7NoVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeIWpkywGXs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8S02SB-ENA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd1VNFBFPik

@Tinselkoala,

You just called me an idiot. I don't want you reposting on my thread. Your're just a stinking fraud. You can't SIMPLY tell us what the "Inductance range" of your loopstick is. You're asking us to agonize through nine of your tedious videos to find out. The coil I showed uses the same thickness wire and wraping style as the A.C. tube spinner video, and the ferrite core is very thick and highly saturatable. Turning the bolt moves the core in and out.

Litz is just more "Hocus Pocus" from you phony disinformation artists. The "Loopstick's" just another piece of crap. The core is too thin to do anything practical.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 21, 2015, 04:11:41 PM
The best approach would be to "Mag Amp" the core with a D.C. primary winding. This is an inefficient method, but allows for a reinforcing pulse at LC resonant frequency. Saturating the core wih D.C. current eliminates any inductance value to the coil. Placing magnets in a coil core alters performance compared to air. Saturating the ferrite creates an electromagnet. Adding inductance by reducing the D.C. current would be matched by increasing the capacitance to slow the rotor R.P.M.

Air has greater inductance value to the coil then a saturated ferrite core, or permanent magnets. We can precisly control rotor speed with this "Mag Amp" core saturator primary wrap, maybe a few hundred turns of 28 gauge. This creates an additional pathway for pulsed D.C. input.

The D.C. pulse should be able to spin the tube rotor at high power alone from the same source battery that charges the tank capacitor. The core saturator would be powered by the same battery. The core should be set back away from the magnet rotor, it doesn't need to extend completely through. The core would retract all the way coupled with reduced capacitance for top sine wave R.P.M. This speed up would be coupled with a reduction in input.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on August 21, 2015, 05:44:30 PM
The best approach would be to "Mag Amp" the core with a D.C. primary winding. This is an inefficient method, but allows for a reinforcing pulse at LC resonant frequency. Saturating the core wih D.C. current eliminates any inductance value to the coil. Placing magnets in a coil core alters performance compared to air. Saturating the ferrite creates an electromagnet. Adding inductance by reducing the D.C. current would be matched by increasing the capacitance to slow the rotor R.P.M.

Air has greater inductance value to the coil then a saturated ferrite core, or permanent magnets. We can precisly control rotor speed with this "Mag Amp" core saturator primary wrap, maybe a few hundred turns of 28 gauge. This creates an additional pathway for pulsed D.C. input.

The D.C. pulse should be able to spin the tube rotor at high power alone from the same source battery that charges the tank capacitor. The core saturator would be powered by the same battery. The core should be set back away from the magnet rotor, it doesn't need to extend completely through. The core would retract all the way coupled with reduced capacitance for top sine wave R.P.M. This speed up would be coupled with a reduction in input.
It is an amusing way to waste energy.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 21, 2015, 06:14:05 PM
It is an amusing way to waste energy.

The nested coils, D.C. primary and tank inductor secondary are parts of two independent circuits. The primary is sufficient to drive the rotor independently. This can save on broken fingers on the run up. The primary can serve as an auxilliary first stage booster coil. The straight D.C. induction suppressor feature is definitely a bust, as you point out, but it allows for very fine precision tuning of the inductor for high Q factor once resonance has been achieved at a specifc R.P.M.. The primary along with the core need to be retracted completely from the secondary core for maximum efficiency under full sine wave drive.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on August 21, 2015, 06:31:38 PM
The nested coils, D.C. primary and tank inductor secondary have two independent circuits. The primary is sufficient to drive the rotor independently. This can save on broken fingers on the run up. The primary can serve as an auxilliary first stage booster coil. The straight D.C. induction suppressor feature is definitely a bust, as you point out, but it allows for very fine precision tuning of the inductor for high Q factor once resonance has been achieved at a specifc R.P.M.. The primary along with the core need to be retracted completely from the secondary core for maximum efficiency under sine wave drive.
Tuning inductance by swinging near saturation aggravates copper loss and throws away energy. 

You should be asking yourself what you hope to gain from making the system resonant.  Tuned networks make sense when there is an existing power source that operates in a narrow frequency band that you want to transmit or block while doing the opposite to energy sources outside the band.  For instance if you have a loosely coupled transformer and you want to pass more power at some frequency than the stray inductance would allow, then you can make a tuned circuit that will cancel the reactance of the stray inductance with a matched capacitive reactance.  It doesn't make free energy.  It does make it possible to pass more useful energy for a given set of circumstances.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 21, 2015, 09:06:32 PM
Tuning inductance by swinging near saturation aggravates copper loss and throws away energy. 

You should be asking yourself what you hope to gain from making the system resonant.  Tuned networks make sense when there is an existing power source that operates in a narrow frequency band that you want to transmit or block while doing the opposite to energy sources outside the band.  For instance if you have a loosely coupled transformer and you want to pass more power at some frequency than the stray inductance would allow, then you can make a tuned circuit that will cancel the reactance of the stray inductance with a matched capacitive reactance.  It doesn't make free energy.  It does make it possible to pass more useful energy for a given set of circumstances.

@MarkE,

I witnessed the "Paradox" of increased acceleration with decreased input before. What happens between the rotor and output coils as the rotor accelerates? Power is generated in inverse proportion to the input reduction. Going from 50 to a 100 hertz by halving inductance and capacitance, doubles the rotor output. This kind of "Synchronous" motor supplies power to help run itself as it speeds up from input reduction. This motor does indeed make it's own free energy!

The rotor needs to spin it's own field strength up in the coils before it can begin to surf  the "Sine Wave". Once the rotor makes the transition to the oscillating current, it's basicly turned into a self runner.













Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 21, 2015, 09:23:25 PM
Synchro1!
This self-deception (as well).
where the surplus?
where is he from?
 :)
Do not you think?
 ;)

@idegen,

The "Magic of Resonance"! The circuit starts feeding off it's own strength as the powerful magnet rotor accelerates. The magnet rotor's output power is recirculated automatically because of the circuit's simplicity.

Where does the output go if it's not helping accelerate itself? The output equals the input. Where does the power come from to accelerate the rotor if it's not receiving an immediate counter force from it's own flux generation? The rotor's running on an A.C sine wave, and simultaneously generating an A.C. sine wave back into it's own power coils that is additive. Got it?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 22, 2015, 12:07:25 AM
Magic? = scam
Resonance? well with the beautiful music.
harmony.
Do not let him fool you scam.
or magic.
 ;)

Uggabugga!

Quote from Gotoluc on his A.C. magnet rotor:

"The big bonus is, since the rotor is a magnet as it rotates it makes the coil more and more efficient as the RPM increases".
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 22, 2015, 12:30:28 AM
Here's a video of the disassembly of a microwave A.C. "Synchronous" carosel motor. The guy keeps repeating: There's nothing in here! Just a coil and magnet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzhcJDqQ_h0

That magnet ring must spin at 3600 R.P.M.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 22, 2015, 01:05:25 AM
The magnet ring generates power in the carosel coil when spun by hand. What happens to this BEMF when the magnet ring's powered by sine wave?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 22, 2015, 01:24:13 AM
asshole.
Time will solve.
I will not fight with you.
stupid idea.
The truth will win.
ungabunga. ;)

Shithead!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 22, 2015, 01:39:22 AM
Wiring a matching capacitor to the carosel coil to deliver a resonant frequency of 60 hertz, and 3600 R.P.M. would allow us to us A.C. wall current in place of a pony motor for the run up. We need to supply a D.C. power source to the capacitor to run the oscillation. BEMF should energize the power coil enough to manage the transition, as we turn off the A.C. wallpower and flop over to D.C.

We could wrap a thick wire primary around the power coil to pulse with 60 hertz D.C. The magnet spinner still powered by sine wave.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on August 22, 2015, 02:17:05 AM
@MarkE,

I witnessed the "Paradox" of increased acceleration with decreased input before. What happens between the rotor and output coils as the rotor accelerates? Power is generated in inverse proportion to the input reduction. Going from 50 to a 100 hertz by halving inductance and capacitance, doubles the rotor output. This kind of "Synchronous" motor supplies power to help run itself as it speeds up from input reduction. This motor does indeed make it's own free energy!

The rotor needs to spin it's own field strength up in the coils before it can begin to surf  the "Sine Wave". Once the rotor makes the transition to the oscillating current, it's basicly turned into a self runner.
It is not a paradox.  It means that the system is non-linear.  Many systems are.  The common mistake that many people make is that they confuse increasing efficiency or increasing output with reduced input as a sign of over unity.  They invariably find that try as they might, they can't ever manage to get the system to the point that the absolute output energy exceeds the input energy, cycle by cycle.  There is always the "sticky spot" or its equivalent to overcome.  the predicted self-running machines only ever run down.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 22, 2015, 03:48:30 AM
This 5 to 15 volt D.C. pulse generator, (0-2khz), is listed for $4.39 on Amazon. Synchronous micro-wave carosel motors are selling for $5.00.

The carosel motor is driven by an LC oscillation sine wave and merely getting a boost from the D.C pulsed primary.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 22, 2015, 04:06:28 PM
Good "Autopsy" video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cEB9iKaGJM
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 22, 2015, 04:35:54 PM
Here's a good way to scale this architecture up: The magnet rotor rides on a pin and must be polarized diametrically, or side to side. Imagine two cases on their sides with the rotor pins facing one another. It would be possible to sandwich a larger 3' long diametric tube with two rotor magnets that would plug into the end holes, stick by natural attraction and glue. The plastic rotor magnet cusps, inserted into the holes of the large tube magnet, could then mount laterally to the case pins on each side, and be perfectly balanced.

The two coils could then be positioned upright at the open spaces to the sides and connected in parallel. The coils are fine precision wound 32 gauge magnet wire. Can someone measure the inductance of one of these turntable coils? This scaled up model would be able to run directly from wall current too.

Next step would be to match the parallel coil's combined inductance to the correct capacitance to resonate at 60 hertz, and try and power this A.C motor from a D.C. source through the LC tank inverter. Pulse booster primaries, a few wraps of thick wire around the perimeter of the power coils, would help sustain the oscillation pulsed at 60 hertz D.C..

A DPDT switch with a neutral position would allow us to run the magnet rotor up to 3600 R.P.M'S with wall current to energize the coils, then "flop over" to the D.C. tank circuit for super efficiency.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 22, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
Look at a long tube magnet: Any I.D. is available. The plastic rotor magnet cusp looks pretty close to 1/4" in the "Autopsy video".
We can work 4 power coils in parallel around a 6" tube. It may help to run this motor on the vertical axis the way it was designed to operate. We can improvise on the overhead support.

We can just sit a 1" diametric magnet tube over the seated rotor magnet, for a "quick and dirty" platform cut the sides from the casing, and power from the sides.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 23, 2015, 05:35:32 AM
The turntable coil has a 10 to 1 step down transformer enclosed in the plastic plug housing and normally runs at 21 volts (Omni Hertz). We need to charge the D.C. cap to 21 volts to match.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 23, 2015, 03:50:03 PM
I believe the D.C. capacitor would need 210 volts. I'm not sure if those kinds of power coils would resonate with the transformer in the way. This coil is extremely versatile because it can plug directly into a wall socket and run any N.S. rotor effortlessly with synchronous A.C.. We need more testing to determine it's value as an LC tank componant. It may help to wire the capacitor to the coil above the transformer at 21 volts. We would need to wire the DPDT switch between the coil and capacitor at the coil's electrode junction to disconnect the transformer. These turntable motors come in different power ranges. The copy models cost around $10.00 from ebay.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 23, 2015, 06:22:25 PM
We spin the powerful A.C. magnet rotor up to 3600 R.P.M., disconnect the power, and "flop" the charged capacitor into the coil. The coil now functions as an output coil for the powerful rapidly spinning magnet rotor. Where would all this instantaneous A.C. power go to at 60 hertz? How much would the rotor output increase the amplitude of the LC sine wave in the tank circuit resonating at 60 hertz?

We still need to feed the circuit to replenish the losses. Feeding pulsed D.C. into the tank, through a coil primary, or directly into the capacitor would sustain the rotor speed at 3600 R.P.M'S.

The spinning rotor raises the coil's impedance helping cause "Lenz Reversal". The rotating magnet is storing it's own output in the LC tank sine wave amplitude which is in turn driving the rotor. The phase shift results in "Lenz Propulsion" above "Critical Minimum Frequency", or (CMF).
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 23, 2015, 10:49:47 PM
Disconnecting the transformer from the coil and pulsing the 1 turn primary into an LC tank consisting of the 10 turn transformer secondary and matching capacitor, tuned to a resonant frquency of 60 hertz, may act as an A.C. "Pony Tank" and feed power into the adjacent main tank inductor through induction.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 24, 2015, 04:09:57 PM
The "Keppe Motor" can run as an A.C. synchronous, or D.C. pulse motor. Keppe has reported the same reduction of input under load as Gotoluc. Luc grabs ahold of the rotor axle untill it starts to slip, and measures a drop in input.

The slowed rotating magnets are forced to do work to try and catch up with the A.C. frequency. The permanent magnet's field is actually strengthened from the quantum plane to help the rotation get back in synchronicity with the A.C. frequency. When Luc squeezes the axle and causes the magnet rotor to begin to "Slip", the magnets really start growing stronger to help catch back up to the input frequency from the atomic level. This results in the reduction in input, and amounts to "Free energy".
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on August 24, 2015, 04:23:16 PM
The "Keppe Motor" can run as an A.C. synchronous, or D.C. pulse motor. Keppe has reported the same reduction of input under load as Gotoluc. Luc grabs ahold of the rotor axle untill it starts to slip, and measures a drop in input.

The slowed rotating magnets are forced to do work to try and catch up with the A.C. frequency. The permanent magnet's field is actually strengthened from the quantum plane to help the rotation get back in synchronicity with the A.C. frequency. When Luc squeezes the axle and causes the magnet rotor to begin to "Slip", the magnets really start growing stronger to help catch back up to the input frequency from the atomic level. This results in the reduction in input, and amounts to "Free energy".
The Keppe fan motor is an electronically commutated DC motor.  It will not run as a synchronous AC motor.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 24, 2015, 04:50:43 PM
@MarkE,


Unique Features of the Keppe Motor:

•Automatic dual voltage: can run on either 110 V or 220 V, or 50 Hz or 60 Hz, with no customer settings required, making it universal.

•Can run on AC or DC, making the switch back to DC more achievable.

•The Keppe Motor runs barely 5º C above ambient, whereas conventional motors run as much as 20-60º C above ambient.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on August 24, 2015, 05:12:14 PM
@MarkE,

Your block diagram above stretched the page! Please delete it.
The picture is 1262 pixels wide.
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Unique Features of the Keppe Motor:

•Automatic dual voltage: can run on either 110 V or 220 V, or 50 Hz or 60 Hz, with no customer settings required, making it universal.
That is not at all unique. The schematics of the Keppe motor I reviewed would not even safely run on 110V.  220V would cause the electronics to catch fire.  I made specific recommendations for safety changes that they may have later incorporated.
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•Can run on AC or DC, making the switch back to DC more achievable.
That's because there is a full-wave bridge rectifier and filter capacitor.  DC input simply means current only ever runs through two of the four diodes in the full-wave bridge.  The rectification and filtering means that it cannot run as an AC synchronous motor.
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•The Keppe Motor runs barely 5º C above ambient, whereas conventional motors run as much as 20-60º C above ambient.
Anyone can make a motor run cool simply by oversizing as Keppe do.  What matters is how much power the motor wastes.  In the schematic above, Keppe ineptly get their low power setting with a wasteful power dropping resistor, when a simple multivibrator could have been used to chop current.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 24, 2015, 06:29:07 PM
@MarkE,

I didn't say that the Keppe Motor was an A.C. synchronous motor. I merely restated what Keppe says; That "the motor can run as one" either on 110 V or 220 V, or 50 Hz or 60 Hz.  Keppe also maintains that the motor draws less input under load, like Gotoluc's A.C. synchronous job. I'm suggesting a common factor that involves a strengthening of magnet force from slip lag to account for the seperate but similar effects.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on August 24, 2015, 07:51:38 PM
@MarkE,

I didn't say that the Keppe Motor was an A.C. synchronous motor. I merely restated what Keppe says; That "the motor can run as one" either on 110 V or 220 V, or 50 Hz or 60 Hz. 
Keppe are FOS.  They make a number of false claims such as resonant operation that does not occur. It is like all their utter BS about "disinverted physics". You didn't know better.  OK, now you do know better.
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Keppe also maintains that the motor draws less input under load, like Gotoluc's A.C. synchronous job. I'm suggesting a common factor that involves a strengthening of magnet force from slip lag to account for the seperate but similar effects.
Well, the problem there is that Keppe compare their poorly designed, electronically commutated motor against extremely inefficient shaded pole AC motors.  A fair comparison is against other DC motors, such as DC BLMs.  Keppe do not want to make such comparisons because when they do, their crude POS motor comes up short.  The Keppe motor compares poorly against commercial DC BLMs that cost less to build, are more efficient, and don't constitute electrocution and fire hazards that the Keppe fan kit motor did as released a couple of years ago.

The Keppe motor is a very crude affair:  It has a single pole stator and a two pole permanent magnet rotor.  It throws away the stator magnetization energy.  The incredible part is that Keppe claim that it took them 10 years to build what has the sophistication of an 8th grade science project that disregards safety.

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Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 24, 2015, 08:20:28 PM
@MarkE,

Thanks Mark, the Keppe Motor sounds like just another piece of crap! Look at the perpendicular toroid coil orientation to the N.S. magnet faces in this 14 volts at 20 hertz "Synchronous Motor" video. This video shows how the turntable coils need to face the diametric tube rotor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoDnqzYzSu4

There's a transformer built into the turntable coil that does nearly the same work as the "stand alone" model in Kim's video.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on August 24, 2015, 09:43:04 PM
@MarkE,

Thanks Mark, the Keppe Motor sounds like just another piece of crap!
What they were marketing a couple of years ago would never get past safety agency requirements in the USA.
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Look at the perpendicular toroid coil orientation to the N.S. magnet faces in this 14 volts at 20 hertz "Synchronous Motor" video. This video shows how the turntable coils need to face the diametric tube rotor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoDnqzYzSu4

There's a transformer built into the turntable coil that does nearly the same work as the "stand alone" model in Kim's video.
The motor in the video is very primitive, and one of the results is that it does not start by itself.  That's one of the reasons that the Keppe motor has a bias magnet.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 24, 2015, 10:20:30 PM
@MarkE,

Good point! "Retod Dave" has his 'De-gauser Coil" powering his sinusoidal wave spinner lying down, 90 degrees from Kim's, the way the coil is oriented toward the tiny magnet rotor in the turntable motor case . This orientation would allow multiple coils to slip over a narrow tube rotor the same diameter as the turntable rotor magnet. Collaring a tube with 6 or 8  turntable coils in parallel ought to deliver much more increased torque to the axle.

Multiplying the coils would permit the use of a larger matching capacitor and strengthen the resonant oscillation. We can leave the original coils in the cases, then stretch a narrow magnet tube maybe 6"s, and completely encase the outside with a solid ring of back to back coils.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: MarkE on August 24, 2015, 11:12:10 PM
Resonance is not generally helpful in a motor.  Feel free to put together whatever you like and measure the efficiency with a high and a low Q configuration.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 24, 2015, 11:38:25 PM
CW/CCW Mini Turntable Turn Table Synchronous Motor for Microwave Oven TYJ50-8A7

 $2.95

Type: CW/CCW. Good for the kitchen when using the microwave oven. 1 * Synchronous Motor. Motor Size: 49 * 17mm / 1.9 * 0.67in. Drive the food slowly for heating equably. Heat the food quicker
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 25, 2015, 11:57:28 PM
The C/CCW feature would allow two turntable motors to power a tube rotor from each end after the gears were removed; Turning in opposite directions for double (Posi-Traction) power. The two motors could also power the rotor from one side while simultaneously generating 220volts from the other.

The turntable rotor magnet turned out not be diametric after all. A small collar bushing between the magnets would solve any unwanted repulsion problems.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 26, 2015, 01:06:20 AM

Microwave Turntable Motor Test:

https://vimeo.com/33734382
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 27, 2015, 02:53:09 PM
A ferrite toroid ring with a light indctance suppressing D.C. wrap, covered with layers of magnet wire large enough to pass the diametric tube through, would have the right direction of the copper wire to face the rotor magnet field.

I think the toroid power coil would handle the distribution of A.C. oscillation best. One of my High Voltage bifilar spirals would maximize the A.C. influence, and has already proven to be a superior design. We need to tie a tank capacitor into the spiral coil to deliver a resonant frequency of 60 hertz.  We can generate 220 volts with the the turntable motors while powering the tube rotor with A.C. with our experimental "LC Tank Assistance". The motor generator would loop and run itself if the power coil tank oscillation did work assisting the A.C. input.

The two turntable motors can send their 220 volt output directly to the "Hi-Voltage Power Spiral" at 60 hertz. Feeding a small amount of power to the LC tank may sustain the rotor speed. Tinman's super capacitor might help do it.

There's two ways to power the large spiral: Through a Dimmer Switch directly from the A.C. wall socket, or pulsing D.C. through a transformer into the LC tank capacitor.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 27, 2015, 04:12:53 PM
The "Primary Transformer Wire" from the Microwave transformer is the correct gauge wire for the spiral, or the facing solenoids in parallel, to handle the high voltage wall current. The thicker wire and larger magnet rotor provides drive advantage to the Hi-Voltage side of the circuit. Both types are air core coils with fixed capacitance and resonant frequency.

Naturally, both input circuits, wall current and turntable output, would need diodes positioned to protect each from the other.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 27, 2015, 07:37:34 PM
Closer scrutiny has uncovered that the Turntable rotor magnet has a "6 pole, side to side, N.S. polarization". The turntable rotor's only spinning at 600 R.P.M. as a result; The larger rotor needs 6 N.S. poles also, to match the R.P.M. and run as A.C. synchronous. There are a number of different ways to handle that. A small 6 magnet N.S pole wheel sandwiched between PVC couplings glued to the turntable magnets would work well. 600 R.P.M'S is low enough to help keep the friction bearing cool with the increased weight of the larger wheel.

This kind of motor grows more efficient under load. Taxing it with ouput burden from the beginning should help. These motors come in the 120 volt variety too. The microwave transformer primary wire from the 120 volt oven, or an equivalent gauge, would be needed to wrap the larger A.C. solenoid power coils for the 120 volt input from the turntable generators. We need to place diodes between the generator output wires and the coils, along with the wires conducting the direct A.C. input.

The auxiliary LC tank is a seperate circuit.

We can run the large 6 pole rotor directly from 120 volt wall current through a dimmer switch with the turntable output looped. Start off with a zero power setting, and slowly turn it up and see how the motor reacts to feeding itself it's own output.

Apparently the turntable rotor magnet comes in an 8 pole variety. Naturally, if you buy a pair it should be easy to test the magnet poles and decide if you need a 6 or 8 pole N.S. magnet rotor. This 8 pole version lowers the 60 hertz 6 pole R.P.M. from 600 to 450.



Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 28, 2015, 12:02:10 AM
Rules for the operation of synchronous motors:

"The second method of starting a synchronous motor is to attach an external starting motor (pony motor) to it and bring the synchronous machine to near about its rated speed (but not exactly equal to it, as the synchronization process may fail to indicate the point of closure of the main switch connecting the synchronous machine to the supply system) with the ponymotor. Then the output of the synchronous machine can be synchronised or paralleled with it's power supply system as a generator".

A DPDT would be needed. We run it up with the turntable motors, switch them to the neutral position, then turn the A.C on and power with synchronous A.C.  Flop the generators on to a closed dimmer switch "Then the output of the synchronous machine can be synchronized or paralleled with it's power supply system as a generator".


This is by no means an original idea. Parts adaptaion, innovation, not invention. Two dimmer rheostats might be needed so the power is phased in synchronized and paralleled. Turn down the wall current with one dimmer and at the same time feed increased generator output into the power coil with the other. The generator dimmer turns up to full on, while the wall current dimmer turns down to nearly off.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 29, 2015, 01:25:11 AM
Look at the perfectly round bundle of 1/4" diameter by 1/2" long diametric tubes. The natural alignment is N.S.N.S. etc. Six or eight of these magnets glued to flat ends of bottle caps would glue just right to the turntable rotor magnet and hold together by natural attraction.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 29, 2015, 09:09:10 PM
Dimensions: 1/4" dia. x 1" thick
Tolerances: ±0.004" x ±0.004"
Material: NdFeB, Grade N52
Plating/Coating: Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)
Magnetization Direction: Diametrical (Poles on Curved Sides)
Weight: 0.213 oz. (6.03 g)
Pull Force, Case 1: 11.61 lbs
Pull Force, Case 2: 18.29 lbs
Surface Field: 7734 Gauss
Max Operating Temp: 176º F (80º C)
Brmax: 14,200 Gauss
BHmax: 52 MGOe
The 1/4" by 1" cylinder is one of our most popular sizes due to its great versatility. The D4X0DIA-N52 is a little different in that it is diametrically magnetized, which means the curved sides will attract instead of the flat ends. And since it's Grade N52, you know it's as strong as can be!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 29, 2015, 09:19:35 PM
What effect would doubling the magnet strength, by doubling the length of the cylinder magnet and then doubling the diameter of the thick gauge A.C. power coil have on motor performance? Would there be any increased input cost to run a rotor and coil twice as large and powerful with synchronous A.C. frequency?

We can see the natural dlametric magnet  A.C. rotor shape again in the picture  above.

We get to sort through a junkbox full of old plastic bottle caps to complete the motor.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 30, 2015, 06:16:20 PM
Those bottle caps triggered a flashback to an acid bummer from the "Old Filmore".

On further consideration I realize the need to connect the rotor bearings together with one solid piece of pipe just the right size, then drill holes and press axial polarized cylinders where they would glue fit and link in the center around a tiny steel ball bearing.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 30, 2015, 10:52:34 PM
These are  D.C. motor magnets:
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 31, 2015, 01:37:13 AM
I got a better idea; Only it's gonna take 4 motors! Two motors are disassembled, and the two rotor magnets are removed and joined at the faces to form the central rotor. Their two power coils are placed around them so the magnets are running inside the air cores of the motor coils just like in the case. Now all we need are two thin connecting tubes to run from the central "Rolling Pin" rotor to the side rotors. This gives us 8 identical plug blades.

One wall outlet rheostat might be enough to synchronize the wall current with the looped output. The main rotor transformer coils make the need for a "Pony Motor" non existent, and eliminate a few components while self starting. Several strong advantages.

Naturally two strong diodes would be needed to protect the generators.

Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 31, 2015, 02:55:07 AM
A very simple preliminary test, involving two C/CCW motors, one driving the other as a generator self looped through a diode and the motor powered from wall current through a rheostat, would help.

This motor generator should run at replenishment to resistance level, maybe 2 or 3 percent of what the input would be with no loop.

Well, some might say: "That leaves nothing left over to do work"! Gotoluc demonstrated that this kind of motor consumes less power when placed under load.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 31, 2015, 01:50:00 PM
An even more basic test to run on this microwave turntable motor, would be to measure the input under load and see if it diminishes like Gotoluc showed in his synchronous motor video. You'll need a microwave oven, and a DMM set on A.C. amps. Uncover the motor and run wires directly to the wall socket. Place the multi-meter leads on the turntable motor plug and then grab tightly ahold of the carousel turntable Tri-spoke, and see if the draw drops. Unplug the device before you work on it to avoid electrocution.

Good take down video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoKueNDvl_8

This video shows how the turntable motor plugs directly into the wall for testing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7dM6CHikwk

I plan to try this myself, however replications are valuable.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on August 31, 2015, 11:06:54 PM
I got the same effect with the "Galanz" turntable motor I pulled from my Whirlpool microwave oven that Gotoluc got in his video. I bought an expensive 9 function Sperry DMM from Radio Shack to perform the test. Sure enough. when I grab the turntable rotor axle and squeeze tightly, the A.C. input amps start to drop. Amazing but true. Try it!

I got the A.C. input to drop from 250 to 220 milliamps just by squeezing the exposed axle between my fingers. This turntable synchronous motor definitely works backwards just like Gotoluc's did. This is proof it's worthwhile moving ahead with the scale up versions.


Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2015, 12:35:32 PM
It is not a paradox.  It means that the system is non-linear.  Many systems are.  The common mistake that many people make is that they confuse increasing efficiency or increasing output with reduced input as a sign of over unity.  They invariably find that try as they might, they can't ever manage to get the system to the point that the absolute output energy exceeds the input energy, cycle by cycle.  There is always the "sticky spot" or its equivalent to overcome.  the predicted self-running machines only ever run down.

MarkE feels the inverse power effect is not a pathway to overunity. That may be if magnets don't fight back. Let's say we run ten magnet rotors and ten coils between two motors and load them with output instead of physical drag. I got over a ten percent gain in efficiency applying load. That amounts to a very serious advantage. I believe there's a chance of achieving "overunity" with a large enough scale up. I believe the advantage comes from the magnet increasing it's own strength to keep up with the frequency

Gotoluc demonstrates how increasing magnet strength increases the work a supporting power coil can do. When the rotor magnet grows stronger the greater the work the A.C. power coil can do for a fixed input.

I believe when the magnet rotor's slowed down enough, it begins to draw strength from the quantum plane to try and keep pace with the A.C power frequency. What's the upward limit to this power increase? Slowing the motor rotor with output drag may go over the breakeven point! As we press the motor for higher output the motor draws less power!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2015, 02:02:19 PM
What truly puzzles me about this motor as a generator is that the coil windings would not normally generate any current or create any "Lenz Drag" the way they're oriented to the rotor magnet as a normal output coil would. Perhaps there is no Lenz Drag in the generator configuration for the synchronous kind of output with the coil facing sideways? The six "Mu Metal" stator walls must play an important, but not well understood, part in the motor's operation.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2015, 02:36:27 PM
Running as a generator, the "Mu Metal" stator plates suppress the magnet field as the rotor turns.The magnet pulse is directed on the perpendicular, in and out, through the coil windings in an alternating fashion. This is the correct direction for the fluctuating field to generate current in the coil wraps. The question is; How can "Lenz Drag" effect the rotor when the coil wraps are slipping the field facing sideways?  The metal stator plates cause the alternating magnet field to pass through the coil windings on the perpendicular, but the coil has no way to influence the rotor back! If this kind of synchronous motor works backwards to generate power with no "Lenz Drag" we can shut our hazardous Nuclear Fission plants down tomorrow.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2015, 03:16:52 PM
This turntable synchronous motor is more then just a synchronous motor it's a unique "Pulse A.C. synchronous motor".

As a generator it works a little like Dan Quale's "Lenz Free" generator , where we see an iron field interrupter:
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2015, 03:51:00 PM
Take a look at this short video on "Lenz's Law". Note in particular the orientation of the loop coil and the expanding and contracting magnetic field lines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkSsgTQOXVI
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2015, 04:02:03 PM
"There are issues related to "prior art" regarding electromagnet motors. In the interest of history, we resurrect this information regarding Alan Francoeur's Interference Disc Generator, as it is being challenged by Daniel Quale".

This is exactly what the synchronous turntable motor is when run backwards as a alternator: An "A.C. interference stator alternator". This is a "Lenz Free" design first developed by Alan Francoeur. A very bulky prototype by contrast.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2015, 04:40:50 PM
Two "Mu Metal" strips each 1/4 the circumference of a solenoid coil bore hole, glued opposite each other to the inside of the coil core would allow us to spin a diametric tube magnet "Lenz Free" along the axis, and generate A.C. current just like the turntable motor. Frequency would match R.P.M.

Two interference strips, and the diametric fields slipping the coil windings sideways. Quantum leap, warp factor overdive! Summon Spock to the bridge: Time to beam Yoda up!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2015, 06:34:45 PM
Four turntable motors, two coils with the "Interference Stators" in place in the center and two at the ends. One to motor and three for output; It should go overunity and simply self loop and run itself while generating additional "Lenz Free" A.C. output for just the cost of friction and moving the hardware weight. You are now officially "Off the grid" and TK owes everyone a free cheeseburger.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2015, 06:57:33 PM
The magnet rotor feeds flux in and out of the coil through the stator window as it turns, and the coil projects an opposite "Lenz Reflected" pole up and down along it's axis. This leaves a zone of field impenetrability that can't influence the rotor because the vectors are non-aligned. Lenz drag is impossible at this "Lorentz angle of minimum interaction", where the coil field is facing as far away from the magnet field as physically possible.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2015, 07:47:39 PM
I think the "Interference stators" act as a pony motor, and the rotor runs as a purely synchronous motor after it pulses up to frequency. The engineers did not have a "Lenz free" alternator in view when they designed this motor. A.C. current can power the synchronous rotor sideways through the coil, but the magnet field has no effect what-so-ever on the coil when spinning back against the coil in that position, except for the window fluctuation. The coil field is pointing in the wrong direction away from the magnet rotor. This motor generates practically all the power it's fed as shown on youtube. A "Lenz Free" alternator was not an intended design feature, but merely an unsought for consequence that accompanied the practical criteria as a motor.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 02, 2015, 09:46:48 PM
I'm starting to believe this carousel motor was reto-engineered from a Roswell artifact. I heard rumors that Amana had access to the Dreamland area under the Nixon Energy Independence Project.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 03, 2015, 09:32:57 PM
On closer inspection of the autopsy video, all I was able to see were two "Interference Plates" facing each other while projecting up from the bottom of the case. These plates would have to be cut off and glued to the inside of the coil for the center rotor coils. They cause the magnet field to oscillate across the coil turns from the center to the edge.

The coil can run the rotor as a synchronous motor with A.C. power because the impulse is electromagnetic. The magnet field can have no effect back on the coil due to it's non-vector alignment. The fact that the turntable motor can generate power running backwards as an alternator, is proof that the "Interference Stators" are a critical necessity. I can guarantee everyone that the rotor magnet can not influence the coil regardless of how its polarized, spinning in the same direction as the wire coils are wound instead of across them at a 90 degree angle. We would be forced to "Pump" the magnet up and down to generate current. There would be nothing coming from a magnet spinning that way, so the "Interference Plates" must play an essential roll in the generation of the A.C. power. 

The bonus here is; There's no way the "Lenz Field" from the output coil can drag back on the magnet rotor because the output coil's magnetic field is pointing away from the magnet rotor by 90 degrees!

The abundant power that this motor generates as an alternator beckons us to apply this "Lenz Free" approach to a broader range of shapes, sizes and materials.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 03, 2015, 10:40:15 PM
I'm reminded of a patent I saw on the web, of an overunity generator that I read worked very well, but the patent drawings were tampered with and I could never fully understand the way it was supposed to work. Now it makes more sense.

The alternator consisted of one central diametric magnet tube spinner nested in a honeycomb of six more that turned by magnetic induction. The six outer alternator tube magnet rotors must have been diametrics spinning along the coil axis inside "Lenz Free Interference Plate" output coils. This invention is hidden by a confused set of drawings, but I remember the sketches well enough to see through it now. The 6 satellite magnet rollers just freewheel.

"Lenz Free" does not include the tiny amount of magnetic drag caused by the non-magnetic "Interference Stator Plates".
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 04, 2015, 01:06:23 PM
The turntable motor "Interference Plate" construction material needs to be examined under a low power microscope to determine if the metal stators have been treated with any kind of diamagnetic coating. Mu-metal has been shown to be practically worthless as a magnetic shield by testers on Youtube. Powdered Bismuth perhaps? We need to have a closer look at this material before we can close the chapter on this motor.

This motor would generate no power what-so-ever without the "Interference Plates". The coil is positioned wrongly for the spinning magnet rotor. Nothing; Not a nano amp! I never realized that this "Interference Plate" design was such an effective generator untill I began examining this motor closely over the course of this thread. This design approach allows the alternator rotor to spin freely, at practically no cost, while generating abundant A.C. power. This is an utterly fantastic achievement!

The absence of ridicule from our "Click of Chronic Cynics" proves that these are incontravertible facts no one can deny.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 04, 2015, 02:11:54 PM
Two turntable motors, disassembled down to the bare magnet rotors, joined together with a rubber tube coupling then powered up on one side, the other side generating A.C. current. We flop a load on the alternator and measure the amp draw on the mover motor from the wall outlet. The input should go up right? Not in this case: What I predict is no rise in input to the prime mover when the incandescent bulb illuminates from the alternator output! Proof the alternator behaves as I described; "Lenz Free"! 

The turntable motor draws less power when under load, so it's not too far fetched to imagine that it may also abolish drag run backwards as an alternator.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 05, 2015, 03:29:42 PM
These turntable motors are rated between 3-5 watts. The 3 watt can handle over 13 pounds. All the motor would be required to do is spin the tiny drag free magnet in the alternator. Placing a rheostat between the wall socket and the power motor would help regulate the amperage. The voltage remains the same along with the frequency, and the frequency controls the speed. So, we don't need 13 pounds of force to spin a tiny alternator magnet.

I think the generator alternator may run on milliamps. The draw's unimportant for the "Lenz Free" test. The only important factor is how the output load effects the input draw. The ratio measure's all that matters.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 05, 2015, 06:48:31 PM
Spinning magnets will power other magnets as spinners on an axis plane 90 degrees from the plane of the prime spinner. There's a strong likely hood that the turntable alternator coil field generates "Reverse Lenz Effect" on the rotor. Input would drop as the load is applied due to the "Lenz Propulsion" on the alternator rotor from the reflected field at 90 degrees.

The other puzzle is that; Input apparently drops as a result of "Increasing" load as well! Either way the drag seems to factor out to be an advantage! "Reverse Lenz Effect" can explain the drop in input with addition to load effect we witness in the motor alone too. It's possible that when you slow the rotor down that it begins to receive it's own BEMF from the coil that it generated there by itself while it was running.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 05, 2015, 07:44:20 PM
Magnetic gearing video; At 90 degrees the magnet fields are only mutually propulsive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJH9iwMhWc

When the magnet field's are at 90 degrees, they can mutually propel one another but each can not be affected by the others drag. Slowing the generator magnet down would have no effect on slowing the down the motor magnet, but speeding it up would.

The perpendicular magnetic field vectors can only act mutually sympathetic and non interferential at 90 degrees in the turntable motor, as a motor and alternator, and "Lidmotor's" magnet gears.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2015, 12:07:12 AM
Look at the impressive amount of power the turntable motor generates spun backwards as an alternator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdI0E-QxJaE
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2015, 01:41:17 AM
"'The magnet is made with multiple poles on the outer face, so it will be attracted to the pressed steel pole pieces and then repelled as the AC field change".

These pictures give us a clear picture of the "Interference Plates", 4 from the top and 4 from the bottom. The axial coil poles magnetize the opposed stator plates and attract and repel the magnet rotor. This clinches the orientation of the field to the rotor magnet polarization; One's up and down, the other side to side.

They function as attraction and repulsion plates as a motor and interference plates as a alternator. This confirms the 90 degree field vector relationship and the validity of the "magnet gear" comparison.

The steel must be non-magnetic, but conducts a field charge.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2015, 11:52:07 AM
Here's a video by Tinselkoala where he shows how a disk magnet driven by a sine wave reduces it's own input when spinning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdqiUOKLTVs
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2015, 01:32:30 PM
"The torque developed by the disk is proportional to the number of flux lines cutting the disk and the rate at which it cuts the disk. If the disk were to spin at the same rate as the permanent magnet, there would be no flux cutting the disk, no induced current flow, no electromagnet field, no torque. Thus, the disk speed will always fall behind that of the rotating permanent magnet, so that lines of flux cut the disk induce a current, create an electromagnetic field in the disk, which follows the permanent magnet. If a load is applied to the disk, slowing it, more torque will be developed as more lines of flux cut the disk. Torque is proportional to slip, the degree to which the disk falls behind the rotating magnet. More slip corresponds to more flux cutting the conductive disk, developing more torque".

Basically the copper disk "Fights Back" when you try and slow it down by applying a load! The turntable rotor magnet behaves the same way as the copper disk does when you try to slow it down by applying a load!

The spinning motor rotor reduces it's own input when turning as TK shows, and develops it's own torque when slipped by applying a load. This is proof the permanent magnet field grows in strength as you slip it by applying a load. More flux lines cut through the rotor, and the motor spontaneously develops more torque from within itself!. This kind of single phase synchronous motor brings these two unique advantages along with it that other motors don't share.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2015, 02:35:00 PM
"Lenz Drag" output from multpile alternators may build sufficient "Slip Torque" in the motor to factor out as an equivalent "Lenz Free" unit, if any "Lenz Drag" appears. Kind of a win-win situation!

"Slip Drag Torque" is Free Energy! What if "Lenz Loss" were to equal "Slip Torque" gain? This motor and alternators ganged up with holes drilled through the case bottoms to link them over a central rotor may actually be able to loop and run themselves.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 07, 2015, 12:45:50 PM
The rotor magnet's poles equal the number of stator plates so the rotor for the motor in the pictures above would have eight side to side NS poles. The rotating magnet oscillates the fields in the two plates that sandwich the coil. The reflected and opposite "Lenz Field", is at ninety degrees, and due to the coupling rules, can only act sympathetically and not cause interference and "Lenz Drag". This magnet field vector alignment may mitigate any magnetic drag from the stators with the force of "Lenz Propulsion".   

The "Lenz Force" from the coil can only help accelerate and not slow the rotor. Drag is impossible due to the field axis vector alignment. The back magnetic current has to travel up and down the stator plates adding a pumping action to the rotor.   

The alternator may function as a "Lenz Reversed Propulsion" generator, and be more than "Lenz Free".
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 07, 2015, 07:13:34 PM
I just returned with some magnets and removed the turntable motor a second time to discover it's case is strongly magnetic; The stators must be too. Dan Quale uses highly magnetic iron "Interference Plates" in his 'Lenz Free" alternator design too.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 07, 2015, 07:44:30 PM
Quale's interference plates cut the flux off from between the magnet and the coil on one end then the other; A see-sawing sine wave is generated. The effect is identical to the oscillation in the turntable alternator.

The main difference is the stator's moving in the Quale design not the magnet. Bend his two stators over the top of the coil set on end, and alternate the spinning magnet poles on the elongated stators and viola! It transforms into a turntable alternator.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 07, 2015, 08:08:33 PM
Quale describes how his alternator speeds up and draws less power under load. We need to look closely at the performance of the turntable alternator to try and determine if it exhibits the same signs of "Lenz Reversal". 

Quale would explain that the rotor's powered away from the stator plate by it's own opposite reflected back pole away from the attraction of the plate. The "Delay" caused by the inefficiency of the magnetic plates produces "Lenz Reversal", not "Lenz Release".
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 08, 2015, 01:51:57 AM
The CMF, or "Critical Minimum Frequency", for "Lenz Reversal" for the turntable alternator needs to be determined accurately. We need to run it up with a frequency driver and test for input drop under load. 600 r.p.m. with six poles is 3600 for CMF! This may be too slow. We need to make sure we run the alternator fast enough to maximize this "Reverse Lenz" potential.

A tiny D.C. motor would work fine to power the alternator for this CMF test.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 08, 2015, 01:09:16 PM
We need to determine just how fast the rotor has to spin to beat it's own Lenz reflected magnet wave past "Top-Dead-Center". The Lenz reflected magnetic pole flux needs to transit the stator metal. This adds an additional time interval or "Delay" to the wave reflection which is ordinarily more immediate from just the coil alone. This interval is directly proportional to the CMF, or "Critical Minimum Frequency". This amounts to a hidden design feature. The CMF should be low, but It may be above 60 hertz. The magnet rotor simply has to go fast enough to beat it's own reflected magnet wave past TDC. This is the Critical Frequency. The alternator has to run above or at CMF speed to benefit from "Reverse Lenz Propulsion".

This alternator can be made to partially power itself when run at the correct speed. This "Lenz Propulsion" is an additional gain factor beyond a "Lenz Free" advantage. I believe it should achieve a very high COP, perhaps close to 100% efficiency.   

This means we can run a series of alternators from the same power source without consuming any additional input!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 08, 2015, 04:40:00 PM
This motor has a double shaft and can be run up from 0 to 22K by a motor controller. This model can run two alternators simultaneously, one on each end. The CMF test really needs to cover the full range of speed from stop, since there's also a chance CMF is below 60 hertz in rpm. This motor is on sale for 2.53  British Pounds. 

We no longer need the unreliable case pin and cusp bearing if we simply attach the magnet rotor directly to the D.C. axle for speed testing. This D.C. motor will speed up under load at CMF, unlike the synchronous, and better signal the "Reverse".

This D.C. motor with alternators at CMF on each end would probably run with no input loss if the alternator output were transformed, rectified and looped back to the battery.


6-12V 22000RPM High Torque Electric Tool Speed Double Shaft DC Motor
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 08, 2015, 08:59:30 PM
12V~40V 10A Pulse Width Modulation PWM DC Motor Speed Control Switch.

This D.C. motor controller costs $9.92. This beats an A.C. frequency driver in cost by a long shot.

Two of these alternators driven by the D.C. motor, and speed controller from a twelve volt battery could power appliances; and act as a powerful emergency back up power plant in case of outage.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 10, 2015, 03:28:38 PM
It's worth having a look at Gerard Morin's how to video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaSvtjoAMk

Morin's drain motor diametric tube magnet is the same as the one JLN used in his "Lenz Delay" video. The difference is JLN had a large ferrite core to slide the output coil back and forth on to achieve "Lenz Delay". There's no way Morin can achieve "Lenz Propulsion" without the adjustable core and without a D.C. motor that can turn at tens of thousands of rpm's for high air core CMF. He maintains the drain alternator runs with less resistance as he speeds it up. Pretty non-specific.

The other thing is he's running his D.C. motor with only an on off switch. A low slot platform compared to the turntable alternator and high speed D.C. speed control version we have under examination. The turntable stators function as JLN's ferrite core for "Lenz Delay". 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 11, 2015, 01:14:16 PM
I watched all of Morin's videos and most of his replicators videos, and the D.C. motor always draws more amps every time the tester connects the alternator load. Never once have I seen the drain motor alternator show any signs of "Lenz Delay". The coils are fixed in position around the steel core. The core would have to allow the coils to move to control the delay of the "Reflected Magnet Wave".

Morin's approach of adding magnets to the sides of the D.C. motor is proven to help lower input and raise output. Combining this advantage with a "Lenz Reversal Effect" in the alternator might help it go over the top. A turntable alternator can transform it's A.C. voltage to 65,000 through an Ozone transformer just as easily as the drain job. The real dividends come from controlling the alternator drag, something the turntable stator model should be able to do better. The microwave turntable motor has a six or eight pole rotor. This yields a minimum of a 3 to 1 R.P.M. ratio, so if CMF were 12K in the diametric drain job, the turntable rotor could do it at 4K.

The drain motor alternator has a CMF, but it's way to high a spin rate for safety. The synchronous washtub motor has a running speed of 3000 rpm, while the turntable motor only 600. It's traveling five times as fast for the same 60 hertz frequency! That makes washtub CMF five times the turntable R.P.M. right off the bat.

The combination of the D.C. motor "Booster Magnets" and the "Lenz Reversed" alternator" has high self loop potential.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 11, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
Compare the over sized two pole rotor above Morin has to spin five times as fast as the tiny six pole below. That's at least twenty five times the work! Five times the mass at five times the speed makes it pretty hard to achieve CMF with the D.C. motor Morin's powering his alternator with.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 11, 2015, 09:20:28 PM
George Chaniotakis runs a synchronous motor with a second core in parallel acting as an electro magnet and achieves awesome input reduction:

Amazing High Efficiency Motor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVeOF53i8-E
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 11, 2015, 09:21:16 PM
This synchronous drain motor with the electro magnetic "Siamese Core" of Chaniotakis's looks like a better deal then the D.C. motor with the permanent magnets attached. Driving a turntable rotor at 3000 R.P.M. would rotate the six pole at an (18,000 hertz frequency) a speed that is more realistic as a CMF threshold. His electro-magnet synchronous drain motor is running on practically nothing.

I wrote George Chaniotakis a personal message and asked him (Eleman) if he would try the carousel motor as an alternator with his new motor setup.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 11, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
Mispost!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 12, 2015, 12:32:54 PM
Chaniotakis is running his D.C. motor backwards as a nearly "Lenz Free" generator in this video. Look at the magnet stack on the generator!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1HqQduHrl4
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 12, 2015, 12:58:20 PM
Here's a picture of the kind of "Askoll Drain Motor" Chaniotakis uses: The core is flat on the bottom. He just connects a sister "Coil Core" in parallel and places a "Laminated Keeper" over the second core U and Voila!

There's no mystery about how Chaniotakis gets his amazing efficiency by yoking a second identical core magnetically and their coil's in parallel. His synchronous motor turns super efficient with this very simple modification.

Spinning the six pole turntable rotor at 3000 R.P.M. would generate 600 volts with a Frequency of 18,000 for CMF threshold to achieve "Lenz Reversal". We can pack them back to back.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 12, 2015, 05:08:22 PM
Chaniotakis demonstrates the "Leedskalnin PMH" effect in this video with his Siamese coil cores:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGv4fLyWfao

The input reduction Chaniotakis achieves with the addition of the second core is awesome! This is the single most impressive "Free Energy" effect I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 12, 2015, 08:17:20 PM
                                                Electromagnetic Attraction "dual contact".

George has the coil cores in parallel for the PMH test and in series for the efficiency link up. Will anyone hazard a guess as to what's causing the dramatic drop in input? The second coil and core don't need to be in direct contact, a keeper over the second U seems to do the same job! Just what's going on here?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 12, 2015, 08:45:08 PM
I think the two coil cores are in LL tank resonance, and that the A.C. impedance is close to infinity. The resonance blocks any further A.C. current from passing!

Where does the motor's power come from if it's only drawing 1/40th of an Amp? The resonance perhaps? The oscillating LL sine wave tank frequency is at least up in the kilohertz range. A near RF signal driving the rotor at a sub harmonic of 60 hertz is entirely possible. The tiny amount of power consumed is merely the amount the tank circuit draws to replenish it's losses.

                                                   "An oscillating sine wave LL tank magnet motor".
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 13, 2015, 09:58:33 AM
I need to correct myself; The resonant coils in series would eliminate impedance altogether. How would zero impedance act to lower the input draw? In parallel, the resonant coils would have infinite impedance expressed in Ohms. In series there would no longer be any resistance in the coils at all. What kind of efficiency advantage comes from eliminating resistance altogether like the "Dual Contact" oscillator does?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 13, 2015, 10:34:50 AM
The sine wave generated by the resonant LL tank has to be oscillating at a much higher frequency then the 60 hertz the rotor's spinning at. How can the higher frequency of the resonant sine wave effect the slower spinning magnet rotor? Just like striking a musical chord! Some deny the legitimacy of this power source.

Chaniotakis is the first experimenter to succeed at demonstrating the spinning power of resonance! This constitutes a major breakthrough. The input's merely replenishing the tank loss while the oscillation's doing the work.

George's drawing nearly a quarter of an amp before he connects the second coil. The input drops ten times while the rotor continues to spin at 3k. That means the resonance begins supplying 90% of the power. This sine wave motor has to be overunity!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 13, 2015, 01:08:31 PM
The core's each have two coils in series. These coils may resonate between themselves as an LL tank. Connecting a second core in series would turn it into an LLLL tank with half the resonant frequency. right?  Cutting this self oscillating frequency by half may help the tank generated sine wave grab the magnet rotor.

Mating these cores lowers the oscillating frequency by an entire octave. Halving the frequency would double the amplitude, and double the power of the oscillating sine wave.

Chaniotakis connectes the coils in series with the cores apart and the input amps drop in half. That's proof the magnetic force has doubled and effected the rotor because the oscillating sine wave has doubled in amplitude due to the halving of resonating frequency.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 14, 2015, 10:38:40 PM
This drain motor autopsy video gives the viewer a good close look at the U core and series coils:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDSJ4_0bbw8
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 15, 2015, 10:48:38 AM
This synchronous motor begins to source it's own strengthened oscillating sine wave output when the coil cores are linked in series. The resonance doubles in amplitude when the second pair of coils are connected serially. The "twin coil" motor is made from a widely manufactured synchronous universal motor that anyone can buy two of, disassemble and reconnect the way Chaniotakis shows in his videos.

This motor may lower utility bills around the world for everyone, connected to an alternator and placed between the wall socket and a heavy duty appliance! Save the polar bear!   
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 15, 2015, 01:35:43 PM
Hooking a twin core coil drain motor to a drain alternator should flop over and self loop. This motor generator would need an additional load. The motor generator should power itself while illuminating an incandescent bulb.

Two light dimmer switches, one for the wall socket and the other for the drain alternator would help phase the current transfer in gradually. The alternator dimmer switch would act as a load, dissipating the excess power in heat. Good enough for the test. Naturally, the alternator would need A.C. (Diac) diodes to protect it from the wall current.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 15, 2015, 07:17:53 PM
"The Diac's behaviour is bi-directional and therefore its operation occurs on both halves of an alternating cycle".

When the alternator output amperage equals the initial input, the power plug can be removed from the outlet. It wouldn't be a good idea to feed extra power to the motor in self loop. The rheostat should begin to grow warm and eventually could be replaced by a load.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 16, 2015, 09:10:04 PM
The "Flop" cuts current from the wall to the coil, but it can't do anything to eliminate the current that's already in the coil so when the additional load from the alternator appears suddenly on top of it, a double charge is present. That's why a gradual phase in is superior.

The two dimmer switches need to be operated simultaneously and in balance. One opening clockwise and the other closing counterclockwise, in mirrored opposition.   

Let's say you turn the wall input down to a barely measurable amount of power, but not completely off, then place satellite magnet rollers next to the two spinning drain rotors. What effect would the satellite rollers have on the reduced microwatt level input?

We could get the same "Lenz Free" advantage just by spinning a naked cylinder rotor with two satellite rotors on each side with output coils around them.

let's say you slow the satellite rotor with hand friction. Would the drag on the slowing satellite rotors exert any back drag on the
prime rotors? We all know the answer is no! So, we can output power from them completely "Lenz Free" with practically no rise in input what-so-ever.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 16, 2015, 10:11:29 PM
I explained to everyone why "Lidmotor's" Maggie is a "Lenz Free" alternator. Sure there's Lenz Drag inside of Maggie's core from the rotor magnet, but there's no drag from Maggie's spinning magnet rotor back on the prime mover. On the contrary, Lidmotor measured a drop in input to the prime power rotor while spinning the satellite rotor.

Four tub rotors, two joined end to end to make two satellite rotors with a window coil around the perimeter for output would not cause a rise in the input on any prime spinner rotor, regardless of the power source. Spinning magnets can only exert the force of acceleration between themselves, and not the reverse force of deceleration.  Stopping one spinning magnet rotor has no effect on slowing an adjacent rotor, but spinning it faster will speed the other one up! A one way ratchet latch!   
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 17, 2015, 12:39:04 AM
Chaniotakis drives an alternator rotor with a magnet spinner on his "Eleman" motor generator. He connects a load and shows a COP of 2. What's going on there?

Magnets work like a pedal clutch in reverse direction. When the drag shows from the load, and the alternator rotor slows down, the alternator rotor "Declutches" from the power rotor.

Assuming Lidmotor's measurements were correct, and the satellite spinner reduces input draw, when we stop or slow the satellite spinner down, the prime mover losses the satellite assistance. This will help explain why the input rises a little bit in the "Elemen" video by Chaniotakis where the COP doubles! The prime mover looses the satellite assistance when the satellite "Declutches", but back drag is completely missing.

The alternator rotor begins surfing the prime rotor's "Flux Wake" and not drawing additional input.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 17, 2015, 01:30:50 AM
We can marry Chaniotakis's "Elelemen" satellite rotor to the sine wave tank looper by shaving the plastic pump housing from the top of the drain motor. We can mount bearings for one overhead rotor with the bearings from another motor mounted on the end nipples. We can wind the window coil to generate 120 volts. This output could also be directed back to source at 60 hertz through a third dimmer switch and Diac. The matching frequencies would prevent any unwanted "Hetrodyning".
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 17, 2015, 02:47:01 PM
Five synchronous drain motors. Two for the linked cores power motor, one for the alternator and another two for the satellite generator.

Two motors would supply the parts: The linked magnet rotor tubes, two end bearings and two coil cores. Now instead of a custom wrapped window coil for output, it would be better to position the two extra drain motor coil cores around the twin spinner to draw completely synchronized output from the satellite rotor. We now have all of the five motors and all the part included in the final design. This would triple the output and allow the self runner to illuminate a powerful flood lamp.

This whole design can run fine lying over on one side.

Reactive power from the grid may be needed to streamline the sine wave. It may not be possible for the unit to run without the wall plug connection. This is an unmetered power factor; The motor may draw zero real power but still need the connection.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 17, 2015, 04:24:16 PM
Finally, three motors, two core coil's in tandem and the third disassembled and run as a satellite for the loop alternator. Driving a drain motor backwards by axle as an alternator would produce "Lenz Drag". Running the loop alternator from a magnetically clutched satellite rotor would eliminate it.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 18, 2015, 09:23:44 AM
 A diametric tube magnet on bearings, powered by a string and drop weight off an attached pulley, will clock a spin time. Add a second spinner with the same pulley and drop weight next to it and start them together. How does the spin time of the two adjacent magnets compare to the spin rate of just one?

This test can only produce one of three results: The tandem spinners will, 1.- Spin longer; 2.- The same rate, or; 3.- Slower then the single tube. Which answer would you choose?

The second test involves spinning the two adjacent tubes with the string weights simultaneously, then slowing one with finger friction to see what kind of effect that has on the spin rate of it's twin!

What test results would you choose? The sister magnet spin rate will; 1.- Slow down; 2.-Speed up , or; 3.-remain unchanged.

Extended spin time of two tube magnets spinning longer side by side would amount to "free energy" compared to the slower spin rate of one tube, right?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 18, 2015, 11:30:16 AM
Self propulsive "Hatem Magic" video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJHlwJ1gsms

Watch "Hatem" multiply power with magnetic cogging:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UJZ9hDQnyA

Hatem has one motor and four satellite alternators. What happens when he places one of these satellite alternators under load, and the magnet rotor begins to slow down from the "Lenz Drag"? Does the prime mover feel any drag effect back from the slowing alternator magnet rotor?

This rule of magnets should appear in bold strike on the first page of every physics text book, but is hardly ever recognized. The power rotor can only effect the forward motion of the satellites and vice versa. The satellite rotors can not effect the power rotor in the reverse direction and slow it down! Like a spring cog on a clock gear!

This is also the operating magic behind the Chaniotakis OU COP results with his "Elemen" motor. The power rotor acts like a "Spring Cog" and instantly and completely "Declutches" the satellites when they slow down from drag. This delivers "Zero Lenz Drag" back on the power rotor. The load can't possibly raise the input.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: tagor on September 18, 2015, 01:22:14 PM
Self propulsive "Hatem Magic" video:

Watch "Hatem" multiply power with magnetic cogging:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UJZ9hDQnyA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UJZ9hDQnyA)


sorry but the  "Hatem Magic" does not work but she under multiply power easely
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 18, 2015, 01:43:42 PM
sorry but the  "Hatem Magic" does not work but she under multiply power easely

@Tagor,

Let's say Hatem magnetically coupled an additional 15 alternator rotors on top of his existing 4. Do you think his power motor would draw additional input? What if someone were to tell you that the input would drop?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 18, 2015, 01:50:57 PM
A simple way to test Hatem's cogging method would involve 3 magnet spheres and three toroid coils. All three coils would need a power circuit, but the outer two would flop over for output when their satellite spheres were up to speed and driven by the center sphere's magnetic coupling alone.

The satellites may speed up over CMF and propel the central rotor with "Lenz Reverse" acceleration and deliver a drop in input when the load's connected.

Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: tagor on September 18, 2015, 03:24:09 PM
@Tagor,

Let's say Hatem magnetically coupled an additional 15 alternator rotors on top of his existing 4. Do you think his power motor would draw additional input? What if someone were to tell you that the input would drop?

you are totaly wrong

look at this

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Léon-Raoul HATEM
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Horloger[/size][/color]
inventeur français du moteur à dégravitation[/size][/color]
Un pas de géant concret[/size][/b][/color]
pour la production d'énergie sur-unitaire individuelle[/size][/b][/color]
au refuge de Sarenne[/size][/b][/color]
http://www.mythesetrealites.org/crbst_96.html
 

[/size]Dans le domaine de l'autonomie énergétique, le Refuge de Sarenne est un modèle du genre. Situé dans l'Oisan à 2000 m d'altitude, près de l'Alpe d'Huez, il combine toutes les sources d'énergies renouvelables pour produire l'électricité nécessaire au fonctionnement du refuge en totale autonomie : solaire, hydraulique, moteur Stirling, gazéification du bois, éolien, épuration des eaux usées dans un bassin de phytoépuration, recyclage des déchets, etc. Même s'il est rare de retrouver sur un même lieu une telle concentration de combinaisons innovantes ce ne sont pas celles-là que nous souhaitons vous faire partager. Toutes ces techniques sont largement diffusées et encouragées dans les grands médias. [/size][/color]
[/size]Fabrice André,[/size][/b][/color] propriétaire du refuge de Sarenne, vient de mettre au point, sur la base des travaux de Léon-Raoul Hatem, une machine sur-unitaire capable de produire suffisamment d'énergie électrique pour alimenter largement l'ensemble du domaine de Sarenne. [/size][/color]
[/size]Pour faire fonctionner ce système il suffit d'une très modeste source d'énergie de 200 à 750 W pour générer par amplification magnétique une énergie allant de 14 kW à 90 kW.[/size][/color]

http://overunity.com/12770/le-refuge-de-fabrice-andre-et-ses-projets-surunitaires-ou-surnumeraires/msg338823/#msg338823

all the tests on this motor hatem

http://www.magnetosynergie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=131

http://overunity.com/12770/le-refuge-de-fabrice-andre-et-ses-projets-surunitaires-ou-surnumeraires/msg339930/#msg339930

depuis au moins 2010 fabrice andre raconte qu'il a fabriqué un moteur "hatem" en réalité son moteur n'a jamais fonctionné

THE MOTOR HATEM OF FABRICE ANDRE DOES NOT WORKS
and also the motor of the inventor does not works

Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: tagor on September 18, 2015, 03:28:51 PM
A simple way to test Hatem's cogging method would involve 3 magnet spheres and three toroid coils. All three coils would need a power circuit, but the outer two would flop over for output when their satellite spheres were up to speed and driven by the center sphere's magnetic coupling alone.

The satellites may speed up over CMF and propel the central rotor with "Lenz Reverse" acceleration and deliver a drop in input when the load's connected.

you have to speek of this anomaly to leon hatem and fabrice andre


look at this pic , did you see overunity ?
there is 0 kw input and xxxx kwatt output !
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 18, 2015, 06:12:45 PM
This guy claims he got OU results:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4FEba4kQb0

My claims are not dependent on any of Hatem's research. However, it might be possible for Mindfreer to show that the input doesn't rise on the power motor when he connects the two light bulb load through the alternator, because of the "One Direction Grab Rule".

The one real advantage to Mindfreer's Hatem setup is that the alternator can't pass it's "Lenz Drag" back to the generator rotor. He doesn't bother to underscore this point.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 18, 2015, 09:36:08 PM
The microwave carousel motor magnet rotor has six N.S. poles. The rotor could spin sideways inside the core of an upright carousel coil. Pull the coil and rotor from the casing, and snip the axle pin and mount it inside the side of the core with the rotor now at 90 degrees from where it rotated in the case. Three of these side by side could be powered by synchronous A.C.. The end coils could be flopped to load after reaching 3600 Hertz for CMF, and the satellites driven by magnetic coupling to the center rotor.

The rotors can pony up to 60 Hertz with a small air compressor.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 19, 2015, 12:16:27 AM
Lidmotor says that his oscillator input drops when he's pulling a load through his generator coil at 1:40 in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afEWXadfpqY

Does "Slip Torque" play role in this input reversal? 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 19, 2015, 02:11:35 AM
Two coils with their two 6 pole magnet rotors, a wall plug, a DPDT switch and an incandescent light bulb are all we would need along with the A.C. amp meter to see if input dropped on load. There's a chance the magnet rotors will catch on with just a few strong finger flicks.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: tagor on September 19, 2015, 08:42:37 AM
This guy claims he got OU results:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4FEba4kQb0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4FEba4kQb0)

My claims are not dependent on any of Hatem's research. However, it might be possible for Mindfreer to show that the input doesn't rise on the power motor when he connects the two light bulb load through the alternator, because of the "One Direction Grab Rule".

The one real advantage to Mindfreer's Hatem setup is that the alternator can't pass it's "Lenz Drag" back to the generator rotor. He doesn't bother to underscore this point.

since 2010 .. there is no replication
there is no independent verification

so you can think what you want but the hatem motor does not work
the inventor has no working device it is a real fact ( i visit him few years ago )
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: tagor on September 19, 2015, 08:45:09 AM
Lidmotor says that his oscillator input drops when he's pulling a load through his generator coil at 1:40 in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afEWXadfpqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afEWXadfpqY)

Does "Slip Torque" play role in this input reversal?

it is not what hatem and fabrice andre are doing
there is no working device based on hatem miracle
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 19, 2015, 10:40:03 AM
@Tagor,

Thanks for contributing to the thread. Mindfreer's videos were taken down unexplainably. Now they're back! I watched one for the first time yesterday I've never seen before. Mindfreer maintains that the strength of the magnetic rotor coupling is directly proportional to the output. The coupling strength of the magnets is equal to the amount of power that they can generate. Lenz drag from the alternator causes the magnet rotors to slip. This problem never-the-less does not cover all the unusual and fascinating effects we witness from magnets.

Hatem's generator is not overunity, because his magnetic rotor couplings are too weak. That doesn't mean it does nothing. I believe it's important to experiment and find out if there's a "Lenz Free" relationship in the coupling. Eliminating "Lenz Drag" on the prime mover is a lesser achievement then overunity, but very worthwhile anyway.   

Anyone can spin a few N.S. magnet tops next to one another to see for themselves how slowing one down has no effect on it's neighbor, but speeding it up does! This is my only claim, and it's the key to eliminating "Lenz Drag" on the prime mover.

Acceleration causes traction between adjacent magnet spinners, deceleration causes free wheeling! Acceleration locks the magnetic rotor fields; Deceleration unlocks the magnetic rotor fields. Every magnet shares this "Inertial Latch" feature.

This "Latch Effect" conforms to the principle of: "Conservation of Energy". Spinning magnets share their increased velocity, but not their inertial drag. Thery're only attracted by positive spin. Negative spin is void! They can only support each other positively, and not run each other down. They speed latch and brake free! The moving spinners have a synergistic relationship with zero entropy. This explains why the entire Universe doesn't just slow down and grind to a halt too soon!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 19, 2015, 12:22:15 PM
This is leading into some very complex force relationships. The latch behavior inside a "Forced Field" area follows the coupling strength. The magnets need to be in a balanced spin zone, not a forced area, for the no "Lenz Drag" effect.

Drawing the magnets too close together will cause them to just stick to each other. After that event, the back traction is infinite. This is an important point; The "Lenz Free" spinners have to be positioned precisely with respect to distance between themselves to benefit from the "Inertial Latch" effect. This distance is different from the coupling distance used by Hatem between his generator rotors. I'll call this the "Inertial Latch Zone". This is the zone where the attraction from acceleration is greater then the decoupling from deceleration. There's a marked inequality between these effects at the correct distance.

Chaniotakis positions his "Elemen" driver magnets just close enough to the alternator rotor to effect it, but no closer. Hatem pushes his rotor magnets together more closely inside that area. Hatem's rotors are stuck together in both directions, unlike Chaniotakis's "Elemen". As we distance the spinners, the decoupling force increases over the attraction from acceleration and reaches a height at a sweet spot.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 19, 2015, 12:57:22 PM
Take the two Carousel rotors mounted sideways in those coils. We can distance them closely to maximize coupling strength as Hatem does, or further apart in the "Inertial Latch Zone" sweet spot. This is easy to feel for. We don't want to push them too close together where they begin to stick like Hatem's! We're positioning for a controlled "Slip Zone", where the force from acceleration is stronger then the inertial back hold from slowing.

There's a strong and a weak force ascertainable just like the poles, the north a bit weaker then the south. One spinner can break the coupling completely from drag, but the force to speed it back up is still exerted on it by the faster moving spinner magnet while the drag magnet is totally sliping. The magnets won't "Declutch" if they're too close!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 19, 2015, 01:39:46 PM
The coils and magnet spinners would work best with one riding a fine positioning screw. Amp meters on input and output can help determine just exactly where to distance the rotors to decouple "Lenz Drag". This area probably corresponds exactly with the "Neutral Zone". This is where the "Inertial Latch Rule" applies. This turns out to be much easier then it sounds to deal with.

Momentum holds the advantage over inertia in the neutral zone decoupling contest. This is an all or nothing effect at point zero. When the drag magnet slows, it actually looses mass along with magnetic field strength, while the power rotor retains all it's strength; So, as the one magnet slows it grows weaker in strength and can't transfer it's waning effect as powerfully as the motor rotor with it's acceleration influence. This difference is stark at the balance point between the fields where a slight imbalance causes a complete slip of the "Yin Spin".

We need the rotors far enough apart to allow the satellite rotor to slip when it slows down and not as close as possible to maximize the coupling strength like Hatem. Two free spinning magnet spheres will orient themselves naturally at this distance from each other, and begin to revolve around themselves.
 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 19, 2015, 03:44:12 PM
The satellite magnet can remain stationary inside the core of the output coil, and it will still generate "Lenz Free" output from the oscillation alone. The magnet would have to be repositioned back to it's original orientation. I tired to get Conradelektro to test this kind of magnet core output coil in the neutral zone and called it the "Synchro coil" but Conradelektro pushed it too far into the power rotor coupling zone trying to  treat it as an induction coil, and killed the oscillation.

This would reduce the test bed to one coil core mounted rotor, a wall plug wire, and a light bulb; Plus the stationary diametric magnet core output coil, and a fine positioning screw, to position inside a millimeter.

The test would involve disconnecting the bulb to see if there's a drop in input reflecting "Lenz Load".
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 19, 2015, 07:39:46 PM
The washtub drain motor satellite tube rotor would need the same kind of screw positioner to slip the "Lenz Drag" as the synchronous carousel.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 20, 2015, 04:03:31 PM
Two different spinning magnets at different speeds always speeds the slower magnet up. Never does the slower magnet slow it's spinning partner down. This is the hard and fast principle of "Speed Latch". Conservation of energy wins out over entropy every time.

Here's a question: Does the faster magnet slow down as the slower magnet speeds up? Does the faster magnet's speed remain unchanged? Or, does the speed of the faster magnet increase along with the speed of it's satellite? Can we find evidence of "Anti-Drag Acceleration Synergy" between spinning magnets anywhere?

Why does placing magnets on the side of a D.C. motor speed the motor up with no rise in input as Chaniotakis shows in his video?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 20, 2015, 09:38:19 PM
This video shows what happens when magnetic a clutch slips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHU3oWvG9dk
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 20, 2015, 10:11:28 PM
This video is randomly associated with the topic:

WORLD'S SIMPLEST MOTOR amazing new version of homopolar motor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPzJr1jjHnQ

Triple AAA batteries can slide in the core of a diametric tube, the end discs would be set up for a Mendicino Levitator, all that would be left would be to short the discs with a copper wire and, Voila!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: antijon on September 20, 2015, 11:41:39 PM
Hey synchro1. This is a very interesting topic, regarding the magnetic cogs. I watched the video by mindfreer, and honestly, my only question is why he didn't remove the battery or replace it with a capacitor. An alternator produces 12-14 volts, and obviously a drained battery acts more like a load than a ballast (which it appears he is using it as a type of energy reserve, so to speak). So if I had to guess, I'd say it was not overunity.

If the alternator were driven by a belt, it would be turning at the same rpm as the motor, and the motor would show the load. However, with magnetic cogging, the alternator can slip and run at a lower rpm, just enough to provide 98 watts of power to aid the battery in producing 159 watts to power the bulbs.

The problem with his setup is that we have to assume and draw conclusions, like we assume the battery is mostly dead and the alternator is charging it while powering the inverter. But for that to happen we would need to know that the alternator is at full rpm, which he doesn't show, but we can safely assume it is not because the motor would show 159 watts of power.

In Lidmotor's video, the current increases because he moves the coil away from the magnet. In every motor, or AC motor, the rotor generates a back EMF which opposes the input current. It's not that the load dropped the input current, but that the rotor generated back EMF when it was in the proper position.

And I guess it may have been rhetorical, but a DC motor produces more power when you add magnets because you increase the magnetic lines. However, this is nothing special because if the manufacturers wanted the motor to be more powerful they would have made it twice as big and twice as heavy for you.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 21, 2015, 01:58:51 PM
Hey synchro1. This is a very interesting topic, regarding the magnetic cogs. I watched the video by mindfreer, and honestly, my only question is why he didn't remove the battery or replace it with a capacitor. An alternator produces 12-14 volts, and obviously a drained battery acts more like a load than a ballast (which it appears he is using it as a type of energy reserve, so to speak). So if I had to guess, I'd say it was not overunity.

If the alternator were driven by a belt, it would be turning at the same rpm as the motor, and the motor would show the load. However, with magnetic cogging, the alternator can slip and run at a lower rpm, just enough to provide 98 watts of power to aid the battery in producing 159 watts to power the bulbs.

The problem with his setup is that we have to assume and draw conclusions, like we assume the battery is mostly dead and the alternator is charging it while powering the inverter. But for that to happen we would need to know that the alternator is at full rpm, which he doesn't show, but we can safely assume it is not because the motor would show 159 watts of power.

In Lidmotor's video, the current increases because he moves the coil away from the magnet. In every motor, or AC motor, the rotor generates a back EMF which opposes the input current. It's not that the load dropped the input current, but that the rotor generated back EMF when it was in the proper position.

And I guess it may have been rhetorical, but a DC motor produces more power when you add magnets because you increase the magnetic lines. However, this is nothing special because if the manufacturers wanted the motor to be more powerful they would have made it twice as big and twice as heavy for you.

@antijon,

Thanks for your participation. A motor twice the size and powerful would consume more input, where-as increasing the motor weight in magnets would reduce it. This is what makes it special. 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: antijon on September 21, 2015, 05:37:26 PM
@antijon,

Thanks for your participation. A motor twice the size and powerful would consume more input, where-as increasing the motor weight in magnets would reduce it. This is what makes it special.

True, it may reduce the input for a particular load, but that's only saying that the motor wasn't manufactured to be efficient. The motor law is current multiplied by conductor length multiplied by magnetic field equals velocity, or I x L x B = V. Increasing any one of these will increase rotor power. If manufacturers wanted the motor to be more efficient, they could have increased the size of the magnets.

I work with many different types of motors, mostly for fans and blowers, and I can say that what you see is not always what you will get. For instance, you can get two different motors, both rated for the same RPM and HP, yet one will consume 300W more in power. This loss of efficiency goes back to Tesla's descriptions of motor construction. Paraphrasing, but between the stator and rotor the magnetic energy will always equal 100% but the power out is the product of the stator and rotor. So if I had a stator  that was much larger than the rotor, I could say it made up 90% of the magnetic energy. The stator is 90 plus the rotor's 10 equals 100% magnetic energy. But the rotor power out is the product of both, so 90 x 10 = 900. Now if the stator and rotor were more matched in size, say 50 and 50, the magnetic energy would still be 100% but the power out would be 50 x 50 = 2500.

My point in saying that is this, don't assume that a motor is anywhere close to 100% efficient, even a DC motor with no load.

Hey, sorry for not reading the beginning of the thread, but was someone working on a tank circuit motor?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 21, 2015, 06:46:50 PM
@antijon,

Wasted time designing one before Chaniotakis showed how to link two drain motor cores. He also showed OU results from a magnetic traction motor (Elemen). I sought to combine those two OU effects in one motor generator. I put the finishing touch on that project with the addition of a positioner screw, and no longer any have anything further to add.

I'm searching for a couple of drain motors to do the coil yoking experiment. Even so that would leave me with the extra second rotor right? Good place to start drawing output through a coupler! If you get two motors to try that, the next step could include the other rotor. Mounting that overhead on a screw positioner and testing it's relative strength to distance would be a logical progression.   
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 22, 2015, 08:26:44 PM
My luck may have taken a turn for the better. I spotted a used appliance parts store in the ally across from my Tico restaurant, and when I went to ask for a synchronous drain tub motor he offered to produce two microwave turntable carousel motors at 3 P.M. today

The next test will be to determine if the 6 pole rotor frequency 0f 3600 hertz is above or below the CMF (Critical Minimum Frequency) for "Lenz Reversal"; One motor driven as an alternator by the other with wall current at 60 hertz and rotor speed of 600 R.P.M. In vs. out comparisons with and without the load of a 120 volt incandescent bulb.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 23, 2015, 02:29:42 PM
Running the carousel motor as an alternator with the synchronous drain motor would increase the 6 pole magnet frequency by 5 times, from 600 to 3000 R.P.M. That would deliver a frequency of 18,000 compared to 3600. 18K is probably enough speed to achieve CMF and "Lenz Reversal". The twin core synchronous drain motor could spin a long gang of "Reverse Lenz Drag" carousel alternators over the threshold speed. The combination of  powering a spinner with twin core resonance and, generating current with the help of "Lenz Propulsion" alternator output should be capable of self running! We can tap the transformer wrap at 20% to reduce the output voltage from 600 to 120. Attaching the carousel magnet rotor to the drain motor axle solves the bearing issue.

I feel I have a good chance of turning up a few of these synchronous drain motors too to preform these tests.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 23, 2015, 05:20:06 PM
I disassembled one of the new Carousel motors, and have unequivocally determined that the magnet rotor polarity is diametric. Six poles N.S. side to side and the case and stator are highly magnetic. After nearly 3 minutes work, the motor's fully transformed into the finished alternator. The magnet rotor runs very strong at 600 R.P.M. The pin bearing is exceptional.

This (Repuestos) parts place stocks the other drain tub synchronous motor too, so I plan to jump right to that test. I'll have two of those used drain motors this afternoon. I should have some exciting results soon after hooking their cores one to the other in series, then connecting them to the turntable alternator.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 23, 2015, 11:14:59 PM
I have the two different kinds of synchronous motors facing each other with the axles exposed. Look's like nearly a perfect match between the diameter of the plastic rotor gear and the drain motor magnet rotor axle. Shouldn't be any problem at all finding a tiny plastic collar to unite them.   

I set fire to the drain motor impeller with a butane lighter to free it. Worked like a charm. Ready to forge ahead tomorrow. Everyone knows the results I'm looking for: 5 times the rotor speed for the carousel alternator at 3K, should deliver 600 volts at around 20 milliamps for a whopping 10 watts, at a frequency of 18k. CMF would show input drop on load.

Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 24, 2015, 04:25:20 PM
The tiny sipping straw attached to the disposable beverage cartons fits perfectly around the axle parts. I tested a steady 300 A.C. volts generated by the carousel alternator driven by the drain motor, half of what I pre-calculated. I plan to glue everything tight and try again. So far so good. Came together like magic!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 24, 2015, 06:23:50 PM
The plastic straw failed to hold up, got hot and melted after an hour of running. In the meantime I managed to light a 120 volt LED off the carousel alternator, and ran the drain motor backwards with the carousel as a motor. The carousel motor has no problem turning the drain motor as an alternator.

My preliminary measurements show no rise in input amperage with the addition of the 120 volt LED bulb when the turntable motor's reversed as an alternator. I need to search for a better connector. So far the results are as good as could be anticipated. Maybe I can upload some pictures.

Let me add that it's costs a lot of power to turn these kinds of motor rotors alone just due to the magnetic cogging against the stators, regardless of any load, unlike open generator coils. Further testing's in order.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 24, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
This carousel alternator has to do the same amount of work whether it's loaded or not and can only run at 60 hertz the way it's configured. The results of no rise in input with addition of load may be illusory at this time.

The Chaniotakis video where he runs a "Lenz Free" D.C. generator appears to be the same illusion. The Generator's already doing it's maximum amount of work against the permanent magnets before the load's connected, so there's no possibility the input can rise. 
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 25, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
I realized there's no way to get "Slip Turn Torque" from an electrical load with this turntable alternator. The rotor needs a physical load to lower input from drag. It would need a pulley and a fan belt. The Carousel alternator generates a fixed amount of power from a fixed amount of work. The alternator work is the same loaded or unloaded. The anomaly of reduced input from slip is still open for inquiry.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 26, 2015, 02:21:52 AM
The drain motor's rated for 3 Amps at 120 volts. That's 360 watts or nearly 1/2 a horsepower coming from that power hungry synchronous motor. George Chaniotakis shows an "Amazing Drop" in input with a twin core, but the motor is consuming enough power to drive a Go-Cart while ideling.

This makes me wonder what the torque in horse power is with a huge drop in input due to perhaps a saturation "Magnet Switch" effect? Consuming a tenth of the power due to an impedance effect would most likely result in a loss of torque down to .05 of a horsepower for no gain!

Ten times less power input would spin the rotor at 3K, but it would only take ten times less pressure to cause the rotor to slip. Nothing coming!
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 26, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
Both George's hoax videos rival "Verproject" for their cleverness. R.P.M. is no measure of torque. Rotor pressured slip is. Rotor speed and voltage are fixed, only current can vary. Pumping water with the wash tub synchronous motor requires much more amperage then merely moving an unloaded rotor. How much pressure does it take to slow the rotor down? The pressure required to stop the rotor is directly proportional to it's amperage. This is a measure of torque. The rotor's turning at a constant 60 hertz regardless of the amount of amperage it's using. The lower the amp draw the easier the rotor slips.

These finding's don't mean the sine wave motor is unreasonable.   
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 29, 2015, 06:01:11 PM
Look how these two drain motor coil cores power a hard drive with 60 hertz A.C.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHgw_l-Z_s0

Multiple rotor magnets may multiply frequency this way to exceed the CMF threshold with identical twin output coils, and eight rotor magnets. Enough N.S. rotor magnets on the disk would cause a propulsion force from the pickup coil cores.

It would take two rotors one over the other, with two magnets on the lower power rotor and six on the upper output. The output coils would need to be on the upper level with the 6 N.S. magnets. This would multiply the CMF by 3.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on September 29, 2015, 07:05:19 PM
Simply mounting a rotor wheel with N.S. magnets on the drain motor impellor and tapping the output from the side with another core coil would multiply the frequency over CMF for the propulsion effect.

The drain motor core coils can be used to pickup like Roberts33 shows from the side 90 degrees from the original rotor orientation.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on October 09, 2015, 06:23:49 PM
George Chaniotakis runs three synchronous A.C. carousel motors in series; power diminishes with additional motors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7mYsCEHLus

This is the same illusion. The series coils raise the impedance and restrict the current flow. The real test would involve determining how much pressure it would take to make the rotor slip. It looks like the 3 motors are doing the same work when it would only take a fraction of the pressure to make the rotor slip! Torque shy rotating turntable motors.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on November 03, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
Take a look at Lidmotor's "Zero Force Motor". I covered the effect of Lenz reduction from re-positioning the coil at 90 degrees earlier in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAYnppXT6NE

It's plain to see that the coil poles are on the vertical plain, directed up and down away from the diametric spinner by 90 degrees! Lidmotor is overunity, reading zero input, with Maggie for load!

John Bedini is an avid fan of mine.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on November 03, 2015, 06:32:06 PM
Here's John Bedini's latest "Zero Force Motor" version: His scope shot shows no "Sine Wave" whatsoever; Therefore zero counter EMF:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQzcYZk9MWA

One of my quotes from September 2nd 2015:

"This is the correct direction for the fluctuating field to generate current in the coil wraps. The question is; How can "Lenz Drag" effect the rotor when the coil wraps are slipping the field facing sideways"?
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on November 03, 2015, 11:48:41 PM
Lidmotor shows us his circuit schematic in this video. A second coil positioned the same way on the other side of the magnet spinner for output should equal COP=1. Additional output from his Maggie satellite alternator may take it overunity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ob914aCKw
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on November 04, 2015, 06:37:41 AM
The picture below from JLN is just to help visualize the concept. Look at the rings inside the core of the coil form. Imagine a bearingless tube magnet spinning inside the center of the rings where coils would be positioned as the rings are; One coil a bifilar Bedini power coil wired as Lidmoter's SSG, and the remaining seven, output coils, all "Lenz Free"!

The coil poles form on the perpendicular to the permanent magnet field, so they can't cause trouble like they would if they were facing the magnet spinner.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on November 04, 2015, 06:42:43 PM
John Bedini points out in his "Zero Force Motor" video that a plastic ring could be wrapped with horizontal coils for his "Reed Switch" version. An even better approach would involve the same pattern, but with one coil a bifilar SSG power coil; The remainder, single wire for output along with a diametric tube spinner. This eliminates the timing problem and solves the output delivery issue. This version is definitely a very powerful self loop OU potential power plant!

It would work better if the plastic ring were octagonal, with sharp angles! It's easy to see how an identical set of coils could be wound short and wide to resemble Lidmotor's forms, or longer and thinner.

The coil poles will appear on the perpendicular in both the output and power coils, and cannot effect the magnet spinner with "Lenz Drag" as they would facing the diametric rotor! This is the key to the "Lenz Free" performance. The bifilar SSG can easily spin the diametric tube up to 50k rpm with no drag from any of the coils. Five times faster than John's "Reed Switch" version! In addition, the Neo tube is a hundred times more powerful then Bedini's tiny rotor disks.

This is basically no different from the first idea above, except it allows for stretching the coil width.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on November 05, 2015, 01:30:44 AM
Bedini's "Zero Force Motor" has two power coils, one push and one pull. Lets take a quick look at what happens with the horizontal output coil and diametric magnet: The south pole approaches the coil on an arc. A north pole appears on the approached end of the coil which repels weakly. However, the effect is zero at the null point where normally it would be greatest; Then as the magnet pulls away, a north pole appears on the other end of the coil which has an attraction. The apex of the spinner field increases in distance from the pole ends due to the arc; However the near term back attraction event after entry is offset by the near term attraction event on exit so the net "Lenz Drag" should factor out to zero!

The sticking point is at the furthest distance between the round magnet rotor and the straight output coil where the pole is facing away so it should just slip cleanly by.
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on November 05, 2015, 02:39:10 PM
Youtube quote from Lidmotor:

+DaKrampus "Yes. I was working on it this morning using one of my old window motors reconfigured like that and I think that you are right. It is perhaps a window motor turned inside out.  It turns out, from what I read on the forums today, that this setup has been very much tested long ago and discarded as not as good as others.  To me it is just an interesting way to turn a rotor and something I personally have not seen before".

Here's my response:

"A window motor rotor that is even with the lips of the coil, rides under the coil's electromagnetic poles. The side rotor avoids them it's way".

The picture below is of one of my pre-Bedini "Window Motor" models. The surface of the 1" diameter neo tube spinner is pocked with epoxy "Golf Ball" indentations to help lift the spinning rotor, and protect against shattering. You could lay a straight edge across the top and it would sit flat. The neo tube rotor spins on internal 1/4" O.D. 1/8" I.D. precision ceramic bearings:
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on November 05, 2015, 04:30:02 PM
We're looking at a "Zero Force" window motor above. What I didn't get to try is harvesting output with a second "Spiral Coil" held perpendicularly overhead. Held overhead in chirality, (mirrored) the output coil generates heavy "Lenz Drag". One on each side like wings might go OU. Below's a picture of some ceramic bearings:
Title: Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
Post by: synchro1 on November 06, 2015, 03:06:53 PM
I named my version a "Porthole Motor".