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Author Topic: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.  (Read 100273 times)

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #180 on: September 05, 2015, 03:29:42 PM »
These turntable motors are rated between 3-5 watts. The 3 watt can handle over 13 pounds. All the motor would be required to do is spin the tiny drag free magnet in the alternator. Placing a rheostat between the wall socket and the power motor would help regulate the amperage. The voltage remains the same along with the frequency, and the frequency controls the speed. So, we don't need 13 pounds of force to spin a tiny alternator magnet.

I think the generator alternator may run on milliamps. The draw's unimportant for the "Lenz Free" test. The only important factor is how the output load effects the input draw. The ratio measure's all that matters.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #181 on: September 05, 2015, 06:48:31 PM »
Spinning magnets will power other magnets as spinners on an axis plane 90 degrees from the plane of the prime spinner. There's a strong likely hood that the turntable alternator coil field generates "Reverse Lenz Effect" on the rotor. Input would drop as the load is applied due to the "Lenz Propulsion" on the alternator rotor from the reflected field at 90 degrees.

The other puzzle is that; Input apparently drops as a result of "Increasing" load as well! Either way the drag seems to factor out to be an advantage! "Reverse Lenz Effect" can explain the drop in input with addition to load effect we witness in the motor alone too. It's possible that when you slow the rotor down that it begins to receive it's own BEMF from the coil that it generated there by itself while it was running.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #182 on: September 05, 2015, 07:44:20 PM »
Magnetic gearing video; At 90 degrees the magnet fields are only mutually propulsive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJH9iwMhWc

When the magnet field's are at 90 degrees, they can mutually propel one another but each can not be affected by the others drag. Slowing the generator magnet down would have no effect on slowing the down the motor magnet, but speeding it up would.

The perpendicular magnetic field vectors can only act mutually sympathetic and non interferential at 90 degrees in the turntable motor, as a motor and alternator, and "Lidmotor's" magnet gears.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2015, 11:34:14 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #183 on: September 06, 2015, 12:07:12 AM »
Look at the impressive amount of power the turntable motor generates spun backwards as an alternator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdI0E-QxJaE

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #184 on: September 06, 2015, 01:41:17 AM »
"'The magnet is made with multiple poles on the outer face, so it will be attracted to the pressed steel pole pieces and then repelled as the AC field change".

These pictures give us a clear picture of the "Interference Plates", 4 from the top and 4 from the bottom. The axial coil poles magnetize the opposed stator plates and attract and repel the magnet rotor. This clinches the orientation of the field to the rotor magnet polarization; One's up and down, the other side to side.

They function as attraction and repulsion plates as a motor and interference plates as a alternator. This confirms the 90 degree field vector relationship and the validity of the "magnet gear" comparison.

The steel must be non-magnetic, but conducts a field charge.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #185 on: September 06, 2015, 11:52:07 AM »
Here's a video by Tinselkoala where he shows how a disk magnet driven by a sine wave reduces it's own input when spinning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdqiUOKLTVs
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« Reply #186 on: September 06, 2015, 01:32:30 PM »
"The torque developed by the disk is proportional to the number of flux lines cutting the disk and the rate at which it cuts the disk. If the disk were to spin at the same rate as the permanent magnet, there would be no flux cutting the disk, no induced current flow, no electromagnet field, no torque. Thus, the disk speed will always fall behind that of the rotating permanent magnet, so that lines of flux cut the disk induce a current, create an electromagnetic field in the disk, which follows the permanent magnet. If a load is applied to the disk, slowing it, more torque will be developed as more lines of flux cut the disk. Torque is proportional to slip, the degree to which the disk falls behind the rotating magnet. More slip corresponds to more flux cutting the conductive disk, developing more torque".

Basically the copper disk "Fights Back" when you try and slow it down by applying a load! The turntable rotor magnet behaves the same way as the copper disk does when you try to slow it down by applying a load!

The spinning motor rotor reduces it's own input when turning as TK shows, and develops it's own torque when slipped by applying a load. This is proof the permanent magnet field grows in strength as you slip it by applying a load. More flux lines cut through the rotor, and the motor spontaneously develops more torque from within itself!. This kind of single phase synchronous motor brings these two unique advantages along with it that other motors don't share.

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« Reply #187 on: September 06, 2015, 02:35:00 PM »
"Lenz Drag" output from multpile alternators may build sufficient "Slip Torque" in the motor to factor out as an equivalent "Lenz Free" unit, if any "Lenz Drag" appears. Kind of a win-win situation!

"Slip Drag Torque" is Free Energy! What if "Lenz Loss" were to equal "Slip Torque" gain? This motor and alternators ganged up with holes drilled through the case bottoms to link them over a central rotor may actually be able to loop and run themselves.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #188 on: September 07, 2015, 12:45:50 PM »
The rotor magnet's poles equal the number of stator plates so the rotor for the motor in the pictures above would have eight side to side NS poles. The rotating magnet oscillates the fields in the two plates that sandwich the coil. The reflected and opposite "Lenz Field", is at ninety degrees, and due to the coupling rules, can only act sympathetically and not cause interference and "Lenz Drag". This magnet field vector alignment may mitigate any magnetic drag from the stators with the force of "Lenz Propulsion".   

The "Lenz Force" from the coil can only help accelerate and not slow the rotor. Drag is impossible due to the field axis vector alignment. The back magnetic current has to travel up and down the stator plates adding a pumping action to the rotor.   

The alternator may function as a "Lenz Reversed Propulsion" generator, and be more than "Lenz Free".

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« Reply #189 on: September 07, 2015, 07:13:34 PM »
I just returned with some magnets and removed the turntable motor a second time to discover it's case is strongly magnetic; The stators must be too. Dan Quale uses highly magnetic iron "Interference Plates" in his 'Lenz Free" alternator design too.

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« Reply #190 on: September 07, 2015, 07:44:30 PM »
Quale's interference plates cut the flux off from between the magnet and the coil on one end then the other; A see-sawing sine wave is generated. The effect is identical to the oscillation in the turntable alternator.

The main difference is the stator's moving in the Quale design not the magnet. Bend his two stators over the top of the coil set on end, and alternate the spinning magnet poles on the elongated stators and viola! It transforms into a turntable alternator.

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« Reply #191 on: September 07, 2015, 08:08:33 PM »
Quale describes how his alternator speeds up and draws less power under load. We need to look closely at the performance of the turntable alternator to try and determine if it exhibits the same signs of "Lenz Reversal". 

Quale would explain that the rotor's powered away from the stator plate by it's own opposite reflected back pole away from the attraction of the plate. The "Delay" caused by the inefficiency of the magnetic plates produces "Lenz Reversal", not "Lenz Release".

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« Reply #192 on: September 08, 2015, 01:51:57 AM »
The CMF, or "Critical Minimum Frequency", for "Lenz Reversal" for the turntable alternator needs to be determined accurately. We need to run it up with a frequency driver and test for input drop under load. 600 r.p.m. with six poles is 3600 for CMF! This may be too slow. We need to make sure we run the alternator fast enough to maximize this "Reverse Lenz" potential.

A tiny D.C. motor would work fine to power the alternator for this CMF test.

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« Reply #193 on: September 08, 2015, 01:09:16 PM »
We need to determine just how fast the rotor has to spin to beat it's own Lenz reflected magnet wave past "Top-Dead-Center". The Lenz reflected magnetic pole flux needs to transit the stator metal. This adds an additional time interval or "Delay" to the wave reflection which is ordinarily more immediate from just the coil alone. This interval is directly proportional to the CMF, or "Critical Minimum Frequency". This amounts to a hidden design feature. The CMF should be low, but It may be above 60 hertz. The magnet rotor simply has to go fast enough to beat it's own reflected magnet wave past TDC. This is the Critical Frequency. The alternator has to run above or at CMF speed to benefit from "Reverse Lenz Propulsion".

This alternator can be made to partially power itself when run at the correct speed. This "Lenz Propulsion" is an additional gain factor beyond a "Lenz Free" advantage. I believe it should achieve a very high COP, perhaps close to 100% efficiency.   

This means we can run a series of alternators from the same power source without consuming any additional input!

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« Reply #194 on: September 08, 2015, 04:40:00 PM »
This motor has a double shaft and can be run up from 0 to 22K by a motor controller. This model can run two alternators simultaneously, one on each end. The CMF test really needs to cover the full range of speed from stop, since there's also a chance CMF is below 60 hertz in rpm. This motor is on sale for 2.53  British Pounds. 

We no longer need the unreliable case pin and cusp bearing if we simply attach the magnet rotor directly to the D.C. axle for speed testing. This D.C. motor will speed up under load at CMF, unlike the synchronous, and better signal the "Reverse".

This D.C. motor with alternators at CMF on each end would probably run with no input loss if the alternator output were transformed, rectified and looped back to the battery.


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