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### Author Topic: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.  (Read 132734 times)

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #90 on: September 13, 2014, 10:35:04 AM »
I have a riddle to solve: Let's say we have 6 "Lenz Delay Coils" facing one rotor of 16 magnets. Now, what difference would it make to have the same 6 "Lenz Delay Coils" facing 3 rotors of 48 magnets, 2 coils per rotor? All the magnets equal strength, all the rotors equal diameter, and equal power supplied to the axle bearings.

Quote from Gotoluc's Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal input power:

"In my design I use the most powerful magnet available and have the magnet itself (or PM field) as cores for the coil. In this kind of arrangement we only need a very small amount of input energy for the coil to create work".

There's an inverse relationship here!

As Gotoluc adds magnets to his coil core his pull power increases per watt of coil power.

As we add rotor axle magnets, the "Lenz Delay Coils" increase propulsion and output per watt of input.

Increasing the number of "Lenz propulsion Coils" around a fixed number of magnets splits the propulsion between the coils instead of adding to the advantage, following the "Law of Diminishing Returns". This is similar to increasing the number of regular "Lenz Drag" output coils; They merely share the available output rather then multiply it.

However, when we add magnets to the wave reflector coils, the propulsion increases! We'd get three times the reflection off three mirrors then we would from one. Adding rotor magnets to normal "Lenz Drag Coils" would increase the drag along with output but require additional input, so power in equals power out. The "Lenz Propulsion Coil" has an opposite relationship to the addition of more magnets! Very simple once you understand it.
Get your hands on some FEM software that has a magnetics package and you can explore such questions from the comfort of your computer.

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #91 on: September 13, 2014, 04:18:27 PM »
@MarkE,

Thank you MarkE!

I need to drive to ACE hardware in San Jose for the non-magnetic ball bearings and aluminum tube. A 6 volt lantern battery can serve as a power source. The two wooden flywheels can be replaced with PVC end caps and pipe. Rings of magnets can be glued to the pipe and covered with tape. The output would be A.C. The output coils wired in series might illuminate an incandescent bulb. This self runner needs a load! The bearings will get hot and cause trouble if it doesn't start turning on its own. This generator will relegate Thane Hein's scooter to a museum if it works.

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #92 on: September 13, 2014, 05:33:56 PM »
3:00 minuutes into this video we can see the kind of PVC magnet rotor I plan to use:

The axle holes in the PVC end caps need to be precisely centered. A professional machine shop can accomplish this kind of high tolerance drilling. Naturally, lowering the "Lenz Delay Threshold" through the addition of disk magnets attached to the back of the ferrite output coil cores will result in a lowering of output.

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#### Bob Smith

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##### Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #93 on: September 13, 2014, 07:46:57 PM »
Hey Synch
Something I read from the Keppe Motor people that seems to relate what you're describing:
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The true Alternating Current is Pulsed Direct Current because it works more in accordance with nature. Since PDC is an interrupted current, it does not offer any resistance to the second, returning component of Essential Energy, which begins to act naturally, moving in the same direction as the external movement of the rotor but in the opposite direction as the first, pulsed component. This actually completes the full energy cycle, as if power were pumping in from the scalar field from its natural internal vibration. The rotor spins much more efficiently, with dramatically reduced electrical consumption, and almost zero heat loss.
Source: Keppe Motor Manual - Working Principles PP 16- 17 http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/keppe_motor_manual_v1.1_-_working_principle.pdf
Website:  http://www.pure-energy.info/
Suerte!
Bob

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #94 on: September 14, 2014, 08:33:39 PM »
@Bob Smith,

Once again Bob, thanks for your very valuable Keppe upload. Keppe's collecting backspike energy from the coil collapse through the Reed switch and calling it ZPE. I argued with "Tinsel Streamers" that A.C. produced a a field collapse also when the polarity reversed. Keppe's rotor has too much mass to magnetic field ratio to react to the sine wave like TK's tiny neo disk spinner. Both power with identical double coils.

Generally, "Lenz Delay Output Coils" share the magnetic rotor field strength. Increasing the number of "Wave Reflector Coils" divides the strength and the propulsion of a fixed number of rotor magnets. Increasing the number or the strength of the rotor magnets increases the "Reflected wave" along with the propulsion. The "Muller Motor" rotor employs both poles of the magnet rotors, along with magnet core output coils. Muller really didn't understand how to control the effect. Altering the output coil core viscosity requires a repositioning of the output coil itself in relation to the rotor field to sustain the propulsion effect. Adding additional rings of magnets to the common rotor and allowing for output coil positioning along a ferrite core perfects the "Muller" concept.

The comparison of the "Lenz Delay Wave Reflector Coil" and rotor magnets to source light and reflective mirrors helps: One candle and two mirrors has half the reflected light power of two candles and one mirror.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #95 on: September 15, 2014, 08:14:57 AM »
Synchro about a year and a half ago, I was provided with a copy of Keppe's kit documents.  What they had in that kit was a very primitive device that was also not particularly efficient.  At the time Keppe claimed that it was a good design because the efficiency is better than the horribly low efficiency of a single phase AC induction motor.

Keppe were unable to point to anything in their kit motor that did not correspond to completely ordinary physics.  What Keppe claimed is a resonance, is just ordinary inertia.  Keppe use an optical interrupter as the commutator in a trivial two pole motor.  See the block diagram below.

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #96 on: September 15, 2014, 02:57:03 PM »
@MarkE,

Thank you very much for uploading the Keppe schematic. Looks to me like a Rube Goldberg "Newman" motor without the commutator.

I built an experimental flux motor with conductive non-magnetic bearings I purchased from ACE hardware. I found that these bearings pressed just right into PVC elbows. All one would need to do is strip the insulation from multi strand wire, run the wire up through the inside of the 90 degree elbow, and press the ball bearing in. It would be easy to cut the uprights and assemble a frame from tailored PVC pipe lengths and T's. The long output coil cores can slip through cross couplings in parallel braces along side.

The rotor can be built with nested sections of PVC pipe. The outer section can be drilled to house axial cylinder magnets, which can press fit cleanly through and up against the inside sleeve. I have just such a platform on my work table back home in "Borderland" California.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #97 on: September 16, 2014, 05:26:38 AM »
Synchro1, you are welcome.  It is a block diagram of what's in, or was in their kit at the time.  It had big time safety issues that I identified and provided to Sterling Allen who had provided me the manual with the understanding that I would use it to review the motor for Sterling, which I did.  I have left out the specifics which are quite simple to honor that agreement.  Sterling supposedly let his friends at Keppe know about the safety hazards that I identified.  I don't know if they ever addressed those problems.

For all of Keppe's New Age mumbo jumbo, the motor itself is as you note very primitive.  If I recall correctly they claim that they worked on it for about ten years.

#### synchro1

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« Reply #98 on: October 02, 2014, 10:07:09 AM »
JLN clearly demonstrated how increasing "Magnetic Core Viscosity" lowers the R.P.M. threshold for "Lenz propulsion".  Take another look at Gadgetmall's self charging Bedini. The coil core runs through the coil and out the backside. He then places a "Piggyback Output Coil" over the core loops back to source, and succeeds in charging his run battery and a capacitor. How does his rider coil effect the coil core viscosity?

Here's a link to JLN'S "Viscous Remnant Magnetization" DLE "Delayed Lenz Effect" experiment:

DLE-TEST20 : The VISCOUS REMANENT MAGNETIZATION (VRM) experiment with the DLE-TB v1

One more essential video from Doug Konzen demonstrating "DLE" with a magnet backed ferrite core and shorted coil:

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#### Bob Smith

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##### Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #99 on: October 05, 2014, 05:15:17 AM »
Yesterday I went nuts learning how to say "Roller Skate Bearing" in Spanish.
Knock yourself out man!
http://patinescostarica.com/
B

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #100 on: October 06, 2014, 04:21:01 PM »
The distance of the piggyback output coil from the rotor and the thickness and permeability of the core are critical factors.

#### synchro1

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« Reply #101 on: August 19, 2015, 11:53:01 PM »
Here are two coils in parallel driving a diametric tube directly with 6 volt A.C. power at 50Hz and 3000 R.P.M.:

Could a capacitor generate a 50 Hz LC tank sine wave wired to the coils strong enough to spin the tube?

#### synchro1

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« Reply #102 on: August 20, 2015, 01:30:21 AM »
Wire a power potentiometer to a six volt battery, then wire a correctly sized "Variable Capaciitor" between the battery and the parallel coils. Reducing capacitance should speed the rotor up with increased frequency. What direction would the power nob turn as the rotor accelerated from increased oscillation frequency, towards a lower or higher input? I forcast we'd gain more speed with a reduction in power!

Impedence matching has been identified as the porch of Overunity.

The wiring schematic is pretty straight forward towards the end of the video.

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #103 on: August 20, 2015, 02:53:20 AM »
Gotoluc shows how a load reduces input while A.C. frequency and R.P.M. remain constant: