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Author Topic: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.  (Read 101490 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2014, 03:20:27 AM »
@MarkE,

How do you measure a loss when the input drops as the rotor accelerates? Maybe you'll start to pretend you know more then Nicola Tesla like that other know it all show off, hiding in a side tracked portion of the London sewer system like a Sax Rohmer character, not Tyrone Power:
One measures actual input and output power.  Incremental efficiency gains can be interesting, and exploitable or a nuisance depending on the circumstances.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2014, 04:24:09 AM »


Everyone's told magnets are the worst choice for a coil core, because they 'Gum up the coil" too much. So, you're right about increased magnetic viscosity hurting efficency, but the loss helps increase "Lenz acceleration" by delaying the pole shift past TDC and suppling propulsion to the rotor at lower R.P.M.! Got it?



Lets say we have a rotor with 4 magnets N out and 1 stator coil with a magnet as a core, S facing the rotor.  Just for example, we short the stator coil and spin the rotor.

As the rotor magnet approaches the stator coil, the stator core magnet attracts the rotor magnet.
When the rotor magnet field starts 'cutting' the windings of the coil on the approaching side, the coil will produce a field opposite of the core magnet, lessening the field strength of the stator core magnet. During the time that the rotor magnet is cutting the approaching side of the coil, the rotor and core magnets attraction is lessened, instead of increasing as the 2 mags come close to alignment. Then as the rotor magnet is very close to center of the stator coil magnet and very little rotor field cutting the coil, the attraction bounces back to near max.

Then as the rotor mag passes center, the rotor is slowed down naturally due to strong magnetic attraction. But when the rotor mag starts to cut the coil windings on the departing side of the coil, the coil produces a field that strengthens the field of the stator core magnet, creating even more pull back on the rotor mag, slowing the rotor down even more. 

As for magnets as cores of inductors/transformers, here is what I know.

The only advantage that I know of, is a magnetized core can store more energy than a standard core before core saturation.  It has to be a DC pulsed setup, whether its an inductor or transformer in order to take advantage of the larger storage.  The coil field must oppose the magnets field, like winding a spring, then the field collapse creates desired output. In theory, the coil field can store enough energy that would oppose the magnetic cores field till the cores field is completely reversed and the core finally saturates from the opposing field, opposite of the magnets original field.  If the coils field adds to the magnetized cores field, the core will saturate well before the normal core.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2014, 07:13:33 AM »
MileHigh developed the extremely efficient MHOP circuit on my "Self Accelerating Reed Switch" thread that looks like a natural for the two coil power circuit under consideration. The circuit includes an onboard "Stroboscope". This circuit replaces the need for a signal generator and a Laser Tach. I rejected this initially because I didn't feel it would run up to "Lenz Delay" R.P.M. threshold speed; However, raising the output coil ferrite core "Magnetic Viscosity" with tail magnets like Doug demonstrates, would help it interface! 


The trigger and power coils would be joined on the "Flop Over" to Hartley Oscillator.


Who developed that circuit, you liar?


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2014, 07:15:23 AM »
@MarkE,

How do you measure a loss when the input drops as the rotor accelerates? Maybe you'll start to pretend you know more then Nicola Tesla like that other know it all show off, hiding in a side tracked portion of the London sewer system like a Sax Rohmer character, not Tyrone Power:


Who are you talking about now, liar? You aren't talking about ME because I don't know more than Nikola Tesla and never claimed to. I just know more than YOU. A lot more.




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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #79 on: September 10, 2014, 02:31:43 PM »
                                                           Obey your "Almighty Ruler" or every living thing will die!

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #80 on: September 10, 2014, 02:47:20 PM »
@TinselKoala,

You built a core spinner like mine, then you signaled a desire to include output.  How come, extra smart as smart can be, you didn't first invent my low R.P.M. threshold, high viscosity core "Lenz Propulsion" regulator output coil for your crummy paper clip axle? Try prowling the alleys after dark next trash night to scavenge up more componants!
« Last Edit: September 11, 2014, 02:03:33 AM by synchro1 »

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #81 on: September 11, 2014, 02:53:51 AM »

Quote from "Fu's" awesome ground breaking video:

"The Secret of DPDT allows instant, On-The-Fly reversal of the drive coil magnetic polarity. This turns the MHOP into a Repulsion type pulse motor".


                    TinselKoala really set the mark high scarfing this "Midnight Find" onto MileHigh's Op Amp circuit. Holy Moly!   


I can tell you who The-Fly's-On!

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #82 on: September 11, 2014, 04:57:35 PM »
Quote from "Fu's" awesome ground breaking video:

"The Secret of DPDT allows instant, On-The-Fly reversal of the drive coil magnetic polarity. This turns the MHOP into a Repulsion type pulse motor".


                    TinselKoala really set the mark high scarfing this "Midnight Find" onto MileHigh's Op Amp circuit. Holy Moly!   


I can tell you who The-Fly's-On!


Hey, let's switch the wires around on the battery then wire some blinking "Christmas Lights" to it and pretend it's our idea! TinselKoala is nothing more than a  stinking "Showboat"! Imagine emerging from the candy store to find a stranger seated on your bicycle with new tassels dangling from your rubber handle bar grips, not MileHigh, claiming he's the new owner!


I'm attempting to replicate TK's test platform, but after sorting through piles of trash out back, all I managed to salvage was a "Metal" peanut butter jar lid! 
« Last Edit: September 11, 2014, 08:59:43 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #83 on: September 11, 2014, 09:09:10 PM »
On a non-humorous note: I bought a nice piece of plastic Tupperware with perpendicular walls. I have two sailboats moored on the North Coast of California that register high Milli Sieverts on the dulcimeter from the Fukishima Daiichi wastewater, so I'm working out of Costa Rica till 2026 when the radioactivity is supposed to start diminishing.


                  "Massive radiation plume from Fukushima heading toward U.S. West Coast according to a scientific report"

Learn more:         http://www.naturalnews.com/046830_radiation_plume_West_Coast_Fukushima.html#ixzz3D2cbLus8

I brought one nice high perm ferrite rod from home along with a bag of components and my video camera. I plan to demonstrate how increasing magnetic viscosity lowers the "Lenz Delay Threshold" in my next video from Paradise.
 

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #84 on: September 12, 2014, 03:21:22 PM »
Yesterday I went nuts learning how to say "Roller Skate Bearing" in Spanish. I'm chucking this "Lid Rotor" idea and searching out an old VCR bearing. These bearings race like crazy! I could probably use somebody with specialized dumpster skills at this point, but as luck may have it, I perhaps burned one bridge too many for my own good.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #85 on: September 12, 2014, 04:51:42 PM »
Tesla patented the "Ball Bearing motor" demonstrated at 3:55 into this video by Chris Carson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lqMiZPO9TM

This platform is the most elegant of all for the "Lenz Delay Coil" test yet:

A conductive axle connects the inner race then attaches to a flywheel. The battery electrodes connect to the outer race and voila! Spinergy! Non- magnetic materials would allow for a large diametric disk magnet to double task as a flywheel and a magnet rotor!

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #86 on: September 12, 2014, 07:50:27 PM »

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #87 on: September 12, 2014, 10:15:38 PM »
@Bob Smith,

Thank you very much Bob! Run's on A.C. or D.C. in either direction. Central positioning of the rotor makes more sense.  Here's the second video in the series:


                                                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1xnQ9gWy1o

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« Reply #88 on: September 13, 2014, 12:30:31 AM »
Placing 16 magnets on each wooden disc would multiply the R.P.M the output coils see by a factor of 8. 5k hertz R.P.M would equal 40k R.P.M. That's luxury for the "Lenz Delay Threshold" R.P.M. test.  These rotor magnets would eliminate the kind of current deflection described by the "Laplace effect". The high amperage torque is very powerful, sufficient to accelerate two of these rotors rapidly to high speed.

We can easily fit 4 "Ferrite Core Lenz Delay Coils" in perpendicular adjacency to these rotors. 8 would not present a problem. A 3rd rotor would perhaps allow for 12 of these propulsion coils. 6 volts maximum and 10 amps is really "Hog Swilling", but with 12 propulsion coils  to assist, we might be able to disconnect the battery!

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #89 on: September 13, 2014, 03:33:39 AM »
I have a riddle to solve: Let's say we have 6 "Lenz Delay Coils" facing one rotor of 16 magnets. Now, what difference would it make to have the same 6 "Lenz Delay Coils" facing 3 rotors of 48 magnets, 2 coils per rotor? All the magnets equal strength, all the rotors equal diameter, and equal power supplied to the axle bearings.

Quote from Gotoluc's Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal input power:

"In my design I use the most powerful magnet available and have the magnet itself (or PM field) as cores for the coil. In this kind of arrangement we only need a very small amount of input energy for the coil to create work".

There's an inverse relationship here!

As Gotoluc adds magnets to his coil core his pull power increases per watt of coil power.

As we add rotor axle magnets, the "Lenz Delay Coils" increase propulsion and output per watt of input.

Increasing the number of "Lenz propulsion Coils" around a fixed number of magnets splits the propulsion between the coils instead of adding to the advantage, following the "Law of Diminishing Returns". This is similar to increasing the number of regular "Lenz Drag" output coils; They merely share the available output rather then multiply it.

However, when we add magnets to the wave reflector coils, the propulsion increases! We'd get three times the reflection off three mirrors then we would from one. Adding rotor magnets to normal "Lenz Drag Coils" would increase the drag along with output but require additional input, so power in equals power out. The "Lenz Propulsion Coil" has an opposite relationship to the addition of more magnets! Very simple once you understand it.

 

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