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Author Topic: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.  (Read 99122 times)

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2014, 05:28:58 PM »

@Quote from God's creator KooklaOllie:

Published on Apr 26, 2013
"I was inspired to build a little magnet spinner by synchro1's interesting work with a large powerful sphere magnet.

I don't have such a magnet, but I did have some little discs. So I mounted a disc magnet on an axle and support, very crude, and wound a couple of coils to exite it with. Assembled with hot glue and driven by the Interstate F43 function generator with a sine or a square wave, the little contraption spins at nearly 12000 RPM.

I've not started looking at output from the system yet. The coils are wired in series. I'll also be trying parallel wiring to see if there's a difference. I would like to use a self-triggering system so that the coil drive power can be triggered by the magnet's rotation directly, but the circuit I tried, posted by conradelectro, didn't work, so I'm still fiddling. Maybe I didn't have the right transistors".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Xrwt-50AA&list=UUZFlznLV3IyePfbc2TfDetA


We can series connect two normal coils wound to nest inside the PVC coupling shown above, and run the precision bearing spinner from zero to the disintigration point with the Nunez setup.


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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2014, 05:28:58 PM »

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2014, 06:12:06 PM »
We can create a Hartley oscillator with these two normal coils in series by wiring a variable capacitor in series between the battery and coils. This oscillator requires a transistor! This will allow for a smooth transition; We can run it up by sine wave to the Hartley oscillating tank frequency, then flop over to self run in synchronisity with the spinner! The variable capacitor will act as a speed controller at that point. That eliminates the bifilar tank equation. Spiral pancake output coils can be positioned at both ends. That's the finished product!


Kooklaooala may try and get a Hartly to oscillate down at 12k to try and run his Jerry rig off LC tank waves!

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2014, 08:02:00 PM »

I mentioned "Spiral Output Coils". Assuming the sine wave motor can only power itself, it can gain acceleration by sliding a solenoid output coil down a ferrite core like JLN does in this video: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUoyuiQTrRA&list=UUWBgBvRQ0nJkotHljpyrvGQ

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2014, 08:41:02 PM »
Figure 2, the crystal oscillator frequencies are adjusted with a small 50pF rotary capacitor. With the circuit as shown, with a five-volt power supply, the audio output frequency range is 10 Hz to a little over 2 kHz. The gates used are all belong to the first generation TTL group. It is very beneficial if the inside circuit is known to save many hours spent on discovery work.
I would not recommend using, and that is if you can still find "original TTL" IE straight 7400 series in a circuit like this.   The circuits will work a lot more reliably if you use CMOS which is easy to get in 74HC or 74LVC.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2014, 08:48:03 PM »
The Android I-Phone audio frequency generator we've seen Daniel Nunez demonstrate would probably do an excellent job! The frequency's adjusted by a bar slider on the I-Phone screen! Nunez ties into an amplifier to control power.
Daniel Nunez's power measurements are unfortunately very, very bad.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2014, 09:10:40 PM »
@Quote from God's creator KooklaOllie:

Published on Apr 26, 2013
"I was inspired to build a little magnet spinner by synchro1's interesting work with a large powerful sphere magnet.

I don't have such a magnet, but I did have some little discs. So I mounted a disc magnet on an axle and support, very crude, and wound a couple of coils to exite it with. Assembled with hot glue and driven by the Interstate F43 function generator with a sine or a square wave, the little contraption spins at nearly 12000 RPM.

I've not started looking at output from the system yet. The coils are wired in series. I'll also be trying parallel wiring to see if there's a difference. I would like to use a self-triggering system so that the coil drive power can be triggered by the magnet's rotation directly, but the circuit I tried, posted by conradelectro, didn't work, so I'm still fiddling. Maybe I didn't have the right transistors".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Xrwt-50AA&list=UUZFlznLV3IyePfbc2TfDetA


We can series connect two normal coils wound to nest inside the PVC coupling shown above, and run the precision bearing spinner from zero to the disintigration point with the Nunez setup.


@TinselKoala,

Get Help Bub!





That's a cool video TK made.  By "Nunez set-up" I am sure TK is referring to the drive capability of the audio amplifier that Daniel Nunez used in some demonstrations.  There isn't anyplace in TK's demonstration to put one Daniel Nunez's transformers.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2014, 09:17:59 PM »
I mentioned "Spiral Output Coils". Assuming the sine wave motor can only power itself, it can gain acceleration by sliding a solenoid output coil down a ferrite core like JLN does in this video: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUoyuiQTrRA&list=UUWBgBvRQ0nJkotHljpyrvGQ
Those demonstrations show changes in low efficiency configurations.  I don't see how you think that introducing something that kills efficiency is going to help you.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2014, 03:00:43 AM »

@MarkE,


With all due respect;

Forget about Nunez! I'm not getting sidetracked by "Kiboshers" anymore. A signal generator can do the job just like it did in Koolaids video.


The important factor now is what I call "Lenz Delay Threshold". JLN has a different name for this Lenzless R.P.M. range. TK's crappy paper clip axle job just won't make the cut for O.U. sine wave output at 12K. All an LC tank spinner can do is surf the the sine wave. Any attempt to draw output kills the resonance. I got it to work with "Lenz Accelerating" magnet core output coils. JLN's using ferrite. The Hartley oscillator trimmer would need to increase capacity to tailor a "Lower" frequency  to compensate for the rotor acceleration caused by the output load.


The output cores can pass through neoprene "O" rings in the housing end caps, and the housing evacuated. The housing can be made from "Kryon" nano carbon tube alloy flak jacket material stonger than anything on the Planet. We can fit an air valve into the rotor housing along with the plexiglass viewing window and evacuate it with a squeeze ball.


We need to power the spinner up with the signal generator, then push the cores through the "O" ring seals close to the spinner then position the output coils as JLN does to shift the phase correctly for lenz acceleration. After the output coils are tuned, we can flop over to Tank Oscillation. There will be no need to ever want to stop it after that!

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2014, 03:36:32 AM »
@MarkE,


With all due respect;

Forget about Nunez! I'm not getting sidetracked by "Kiboshers" anymore. A signal generator can do the job just like it did in Koolaids video.
Synchro1 you brought up DN.  Why did you highlight TK's reference to Daniel Nunez if you didn't have some point to make that related to his devices?
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The important factor now is what I call "Lenz Delay Threshold". JLN has a different name for this Lenzless R.P.M. range. TK's crappy paper clip axle job just won't make the cut for O.U. sine wave output at 12K.
I thought TK's simple little motor worked pretty well.  He wasn't chasing OU that I can tell.  No one else has achieved OU so you have an open field in which to work.
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  All an LC tank spinner can do is surf the the sine wave. Any attempt to draw output kills the resonance.
Conventional theory says that is true for all resonant devices.  All energy that is removed decreases Q.
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I got it to work with "Lenz Accelerating" magnet core output coils. JLN's using ferrite. The Hartley oscillator trimmer would need to increase capacity to tailor a "Lower" frequency  to compensate for the rotor acceleration caused by the output load.
The JLN scheme with the soft iron rod just looks like it saps power and efficiency to me.  If you have measurements that show a gain, I'd like to see them.
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The output cores can pass through neoprene "O" rings in the housing end caps, and the housing evacuated. The housing can be made from "Kryon" nano carbon tube alloy flak jacket material stonger than anything on the Planet. We can fit an air valve into the rotor housing along with the plexiglass viewing window and evacuate it with a squeeze ball.


We need to power the spinner up with the signal generator, then push the cores through the "O" ring seals close to the spinner then position the output coils as JLN does to shift the phase correctly for lenz acceleration. After the output coils are tuned, we can flop over to Tank Oscillation. There will be no need to ever want to stop it after that!
Do you have plans to build a test rig for your idea?

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2014, 07:09:29 PM »

@MarkE,

Quote from MarkE:

"The JLN scheme with the soft iron rod just looks like it saps power and efficiency to me.  If you have measurements that show a gain, I'd like to see them".


I'm not here to spoon feed you. Here's a link to JLN's web site. Type "regenerative acceleration" into the site's search engine, and review the videos.


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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2014, 07:24:07 PM »
Threshold speed is critical for the reversal of the "Lenz Acceleration" efficiency curve. The inefficiency of the iron cores reverses itself at a sufficiently high R.P.M. One needs to study JLN's very high quality test videos to understand this. Compare JLN's test bed to the "Trash Ball of Christmas Ornament's".

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2014, 07:50:47 PM »
@MarkE,

Quote from MarkE:

"The JLN scheme with the soft iron rod just looks like it saps power and efficiency to me.  If you have measurements that show a gain, I'd like to see them".


I'm not here to spoon feed you. Here's a link to JLN's web site. Type "regenerative acceleration" into the site's search engine, and review the videos.


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JLN doesn't have measurements that show OU from that device.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2014, 07:51:52 PM »
Threshold speed is critical for the reversal of the "Lenz Acceleration" efficiency curve. The inefficiency of the iron cores reverses itself at a sufficiently high R.P.M. One needs to study JLN's very high quality test videos to understand this. Compare JLN's test bed to the "Trash Ball of Christmas Ornament's".
The faster one oscillates a field near conductive material such as iron, the greater the induction heating losses that result.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2014, 08:22:05 PM »
@MarkE,


I asked that you review JLN's videos. You'll find his calorimetric testing shows that there's an opposite cooling effect over the Threshold. Something I noticed myself and commented on repeatedly over the years.


The insertion of the ferrite output cores would alter the inductance of the air core power coils somewhat, but that would tend to increase the efficiency. The variable oscillator can tune to the new resonant frequency. Apparently you haven't studied JLN's tiny series of excellent videos enough.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2014, 08:51:19 PM »
@MarkE,


I asked that you review JLN's videos. You'll find his calorimetric testing shows that there's an opposite cooling effect over the Threshold. Something I noticed myself and commented on repeatedly over the years.


The insertion of the ferrite output cores would alter the inductance of the air core power coils somewhat, but that would tend to increase the efficiency. The variable oscillator can tune to the new resonant frequency. Apparently you haven't studied JLN's tiny series of excellent videos enough.
Synchro1 over the years I have become pretty framiliar with JLN's work.  He does not get surplus energy out of the arrangements we are discussing, (or any other experiments that he has conducted either).  Eddy currents are a real thing that cause real loss that increases with frequency.  JLN like a lot of other people has conducted experiments where one really inefficient mechanism is replaced by another less inefficient mechanism.  Thes particular experiments are no different.

 

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